Nooooo, they didn't write a show in alignment with my political views! Bad!!!11! My brother in Christ, the story was never political in nature, and it definitely shouldn't've been a political fantasy propaganda piece.
@@LiveGame555 It wasn't propaganda, but it had interesting exploration of complex themes and ideas. Which got replaced by loud incoherent noises, flashy bangs and explosions and MCU-esque finale in Season 2. From a story about people and their struggles we got a story about people fighting a god and winning everything in the end by the sheer power of friendship. How convinient
Do you mean how the show starts denouncing police violence and end up suggesting that war and militarism is a good way to overcome social differences? Yeah, I kinda see your point.
it feels like every plot point in season 2 was actively trying to pull characters away from the story of season 1: the anomaly, warwick, isha, the black rose, and ambessa's relationship with caitlyn by the time we reached silco in jinx's jail cell.. it felt like.. is this even still the same show?
No it's not, it's basically the start of the new era of Riot Games movie multiverse. I mean they already mentioned they have been working on Noxus story all while making Arcane Season 2, also saw somewhere that they have opened new live action studio within their structure. So I'm afraid there will be more products instead of art from them in the upcoming years
I completely agree. Season 2 feels so disconnected from season 1 that I wonder if they simply gave up. Take a look at Vi for example. In season 1 they took their time to establish her friendship with Ekko, first as kids and then with a reunion, they feel like good friends, even though all the harships. Then in season 2, when Ekko gets absorbed by the Hexcore we get no reaction from her, not even from the Firelights. It's like the plot took over the characters and all they did or say only was used to move the plot forward. Same thing with Caitlyn and Jayce, there's no reaction from Jayce disappearing even though we know they're friends and so on. Let's not even talk about Jinx, who went from going completely mad in season 1 to losing all of her development in season 2 just because the writers wanted to force a family plot point.
I remember thinking at the S1 finale there was no way to redeem Jinx, and the fact that they had to involve Isha to make it work proves that. It's a forced plot device. The ending didn't fit who Jinx was; it wasn't tragic, it was cruel. She should've had a tragic ending, not one that disrespects Vi's character. Watching S1 and S2 back to back REALLY made me realize the flaws. S1 was self-contained and small-scale enough. S2 was so illogical, dropping balls and missing points, misunderstanding itself, focusing on the wrong things...
I think the big problem is people are of the opinion s2 was still amazing despite being slightly rushed. Its literally an abysmal showcase in writing and destroying its own legacy and never gets treated as such.
I feel truly sorry for all the artists and writers who worked on season one, including also the incredibly talented people who did their best in season two. It’s really not fair what happened to the show
God, the show remained so pretty but at the same time I agree with a lot of the criticisms. It didn't sit right with me. The heavy emphasis on the music vids, the slow pace of the first few episodes, the way important characters got thrown to the side and thrown back in in the last hour, dedicating ekko an entire episode in an alternate reality when there's only 80 minutes of show left to wrap everything up. Time travel, ughhh! Why did Viktor even send jayce back to that specific time? Why didn't they just TALK?? Why did Viktor let Jayce suffer in dark souls dimension for god knows how long? What an ass! I'll just say I agree so far with all your arcane videos. I'm glad to see good faith criticism of the show popping up. There are moments I loved and probably always will to some extent. For example, viktor trying to heal warwick. But I'm afraid that the season really just leaves me disappointed.
I appreciate you making these videos. I watched arcane s1 recently and loved it but as soon as I got to s2 I noticed a pretty big quality drop. like some parts of s2 are cool but some of the writing decisions feel really rushed and just poor. I hope that for whatever they are making next, they try to focus on the writing quality a lot more as it is what made the first season amazing and for something very character driven like arcane, writing should be a focus point.
I think one of the biggest problems with season 2 is that it tried to do *way* too much in such a short amount of time. It wanted to continue the conflict of the first season, while also introducing both new conflicts *and* continuing the characters’ stories beyond their origins. In my opinion; season 2 should have followed up with what season 1 was doing, perhaps with there being a civil war that leads to Piltover and Zaun separated and at odds, and all the characters in their “present” states (Vi with the Enforcers, Caitlyn as the new Sheriff of Piltover, Jinx as a criminal who largely blows stuff up for fun, etc.). Then, either a third season or a sequel show could *continue* everyone’s stories, with a lot of the plot points of season 2 (the Black Rose, the Wild Rune, Ambessa invading Noxus, etc.) being how the story continues. Maybe even giving implications that now, the various regions of Runeterra are slowly coming together for something bigger (whether it be Ryze’s search for the Worldrunes, an invasion by the Void, or something else). Hopefully, the next Runeterra show will be better all around-while I still loved Arcane S1, S2 was a let-down in a lot of ways, and I don’t want future stories to be like that.
Season 2 is deceptively complex. By that I mean the sheer volume of random characters and plot lines fool people into thinking it's something deep and complex, when in actuality it's just so bloated. Fortiche deserves a goddamn raise for managing to make amazing visuals that obfuscate just how questionable S2 is. Ngl I was also pretty light on S2 at first and even defended some of its questionable points. But the more the honeymoon phase wears off and I think more about it, and the more I learn, it just gets even worse.
S1 also had complexity but everything was impacting each following action and it was all tying together and influencing. S2 had so many loose lines happening at the same time and not considering the way they - and all the characters involved - would influence each other. At the core S1 is all starting because of Piltover oppressing Zaun, which influences the upbringing of the sisters, then they influence hextech's succes, then hextech causes them issues with the cops, then this allows vander to get kidnapped, then this causes Powder to blow shit up, which causes Vi to abandon her, which causes her to get influenced by Silco, who uses the oppression of Piltover to do crime stuff, and Jinx affects hextech by stealing it, and this leads to Zaun blowing up Piltover's council. It's all events serving each other. Hextech is a consequence of piltover's wealth that gets appropriated by Zaun because of the oppression they have caused, VIA JINX, it's all karma, it's all cycles of violence. But in S2, suddenly hextech is the prime conflict, not Zaun vs. Piltover, they just give up on it. And you get this whole hextech conflict, but then you also have Vi and Jinx trying to kill each other, but they don't really do much with hextech themselves, and Vi has no issue invading her home in the name of Piltover, and Jinx suddenly has this kid who has been victimized by Silco's crime lord stuff, but who has no relevance to the piltover oppression plotline because she only exists for Jinx as a character and not for the role Jinx plays in the story. And then there's Mel with her magic that doesn't even need to impact any of the story because it has nothing to do with it. And you just forget whether Jinx and Vi actually hate each other or what they want from each other because they're constantly switching to serve the plot. Like yeah you have defeated hextech, but hextech was only an aspect of Piltover, it doesn't solve your problems. And they didn't NEED to fix the inequality, but some acknowledgement would've been cool. They start off with the leftovers of the crime syndicate fighting each other, and then you also have Jinx loyalists, and Jinx becomes a hero for them and whatnot, but none of this really influences anything, it's so limited. In S1 the characters were being ACTIVE and causing the plot to happen, consecutively, chaotically, tragically. In S2 the characters are serving a plot that is made for spectacle and lore and for future projects. That's why it's open ended, which is frustrating, because it serves the lore and the future, but it doesn't serve what the story is.
Re: what you asked at the end of the vid -- I've watched season 1 and season 2 7 times, they're both 10/10 with issues 👍 If that sentence doesn't make sense, it's just because the positives overflow the rating so much that the negatives don't make a dent. Especially relative to other media. "How many plot points weren't resolved" -- You mention Mel which has a resolved Arc, but mention it's rushed and a catastrophe without mentioning specifics. You mention Jinx. She had an Arc, her disappearing is part of that arc. "She absolves herself of responsibility and accountability for her actions" Her disappearing is taking responsibility. She's responsible for breaking her participation in the cycle which resulted in some of her actions. She might not be able to break the larger cycle and help on the Zaun/Piltover front, but maybe she can after she fills her cup. For now that's for Sevika, VI, and Caitlyn to try to work out. The following prescription doesn't work on a societal level where we're blind to intentions, but it works in the context of Jinx. We put people who do bad things in prison because we can't be sure they'll do these things again, and we release them when we believe it's reasonable to assume they won't re-offend. That's generally the purpose of imprisonment. It seems safe to say that Jinx committed atrocities due to a mental state which she has shed via going through her arc, and healing her psychology. What purpose would it serve for Jinx to be in prison, dead, or or some other forced situation? What other significant plot points weren't resolved? You mention that Jinx's ending was convoluted without mentioning a single point which supports that, and that she escapes to "somewhere" like the destination matters a single bit given the entire thematic point of her disappearing. "There is no meaningful message or conclusion to the entire plot point of mental health issues" The entire central theme is a meaningful message and conclusion to the mental health issues they displayed. I don't know what else to say If you don't understand this. The entire plot was exploring what causes these psychological dynamics, which leaves us with necessary conclusions. Those necessary conclusions are the message. I don't understand what else you'd want. You say Piltover/Zaun isn't concluded. It's essentially concluded. The whole main journey was seeing why relations between these states weren't working, getting to a point where we might have a chance of making process, then making that the new framework from which relations are handled. Sevika joining the council is a step, Vi trying to reform the enforcers with Cait is a step, the understandings that both sides have learned throughout the events is a step. The show wasn't about giving us a fairytale ending to a tremendously complicated conflict, but about reforming the framework and perspectives which led to this in the first place. It's absurd to have a disneyland relationship between Piltover and Zaun even after the events which brought them together briefly. When Sevika sat down at the council table, she glared at the Piltover representatives as they glared at her. But these glares are the start of the new framework which can actually bring about long term stability and change. Everyone in the show tried to brute force it previously, it simply doesn't work. Why are you assuming the rest of the world was destroyed by what Victor did? My understanding was that he just destroyed Piltover turning it into a post-apocalyptic wasteland. Runeterra has a host of people which should be stronger than Viktor, so, if they ended up portraying it that way, then, yeah, other people definitely should have interfered.
I'd argue that Season 1 and 2 are excellent, for different reasons. In terms of overall cinematic experience, Season 2 is the clear winner for me. The animation and music are among the best I've seen so far. In terms of storytelling and dialogue, Season 1 is unbeatable though. I think the problem lies in comparing them. I have friends who said they really liked Arcane from S2, they just found S1 okay. It's all a matter of taste to me : one has to see Arcane's seasons as beer and wine. Sure, the two are alcoholic beverages, but they offer wildly different experiences.
@@Ridif00lous yea but it was season 2’s job to follow up season 1 . Also this is just absolutely personal preference but I enjoyed the music of S1 much more .
I'm actually quite hopeful that the spin off will be as good, if not better, than arcane season 1. Given that the writing sack was due to COVID and lockdown has been over for ages, RIOT should have already hired more writers, hopefully the same ones as season 1.
TBH, I've never watched season 2 since I thought season 1 was enough. For me, it's best to look at it as its own story. If I was to write the show, any other following seasons would've been their own respective stories, following their own bunch of characters and settings. It could've been a bit interconnected like pre-Endgame MCU. In fact, season 2 could've gone into Mel's home to connect it to season 1.
I agree with most of what you had to say here, but I still hope they continue Arcane. It's not unheard of for a show to have a serious sophomore slump in their second season only to turn it around with great seasons afterward. Season two was definitely weaker than one, but I'll still give a third another chance to get it right
I feel like it has more to do with the cost of arcane. Netflix wasnt helping balance out the budget. 50m was Netflix (at least what ive been told) 200min was riot. Rebel moon gets 166m,but this gets 50m. Greedy bastard.
I think the show could've been better if it was three seasons and if it wasn't as concerned with connecting as much to a greater Runeterra universe, as well as having the whole original writing staff (although continuing a story you've set up definitely takes less writers than starting/rewriting an original story). However, if you are constrained with season one existing and then only being able to make one more season, I don't think anyone could write the story much better. Maybe Viktor's glorious evolution only really transforming Piltover and Zaun and not directly impacting the rest of the world much would be a minor improvement (it's really just a background detail mentioned once). The story never really said much when it comes to politics with the class divide in Piltover and Zaun. Alls it really says is that there are the rich and the poor, and that the poor are neglected by the corrupt government and unfortunate. This is the most milktoast basic politics of all time. Might as well have said that evil is bad and people should be good. I don't think the writers should've offered any sort of political position on the matter other than that representation is good, which they did. Sevika is on the council. I also think that if the story came to a conclusion where nothing is really wrong with Piltover and Zaun anymore, it wouldn't be very interesting or clever. The representation is still clearly not enough, which they put in the show. Sevika is only 1 councilor despite Zaun making up almost half of the population of the twin cities, and the other councilors dislike her. Fair representation would've been 5 Piltovans and 4 Zaunites. The politics of Piltover and Zaun is a plot device to motivate characters to interact with each other, because Arcane is a story about characters, not a specific narrative or plotline. Arcane is tragic and I think the ending we got was as close to a positive ending that wouldn't feel like a betrayal of season one. This includes the fact that they made Jinx's death ambiguous. I think her death being ambiguous is better than her dying or living. If she dies, it's extremely tragic and parallels a bunch of different things in the show. If she lives then it honors the redeemability of the human soul on a whole nother level by giving Jinx an actual chance to do more good. Also, the mental health issues thing is pretty well answered within the show. Not only through AU Powder, but also with Isha. Their answer is love. That as long as someone is loved in a healthy manner (not like S1 Silco and Jinx), then mental illness won't progress to as horrible a level. I am most happy, in terms of the impact of the show, that 3D animation is now far better than it used to be and that musical interludes will hopefully be more common. I know season two overdid it with the musical scenes, but that's because season two's story is squished into one season when it should've been two. It's very effective at getting story across with very little time, hence why it was used so much. One scene like that per 40 minute episode seems to work very well, IMO. Ultimately, whenever I hear people talk about very harshly and negatively about Arcane, it is always over minor details or because the person speaking has misunderstandings about the show and its story. It's not perfect, but it is definitely an excellent show, 9/10 minimum, but I'd give it a 10/10. The only other animated show I think I'd say is a 10/10 is maybe Avatar: The Last Airbender, and I definitely think it is equivalent in quality.
Those are quite some good points you make. S1 was better qualitywise, I don't there is much debate about that, but I agree that S2 is still very good. If the show was given a third season it would most likely be even better and those plotlines and minor details, that cause most of the critisicm of S2, could have been fleshed out more. Personally I still really liked S2 and did not notice a significant drop in quality. I get the criticism, I just don't think those points are big enough to say the show lost it's way. 'There is beauty in imperfection'
I loved Season 1 so so much - if not the best season of a show ever made, at least the best the kind of themes and world-building that speak to me. Because of that, and the still-great "presentation" elements (music, animation), I've been trying very hard to watch the positive reviews to reconcile with the story choices of season 2, but I can't. Your video is all sadly correct. How on earth did "lock them away on their own" being used as the character arc for 4 important characters in what's supposed to be the heart of their journey (middle act) not raise any flags?
@@thunderqq1 dude I feel you . Week to week I was making so much content on TT talking about how amazing it was because that’s what I wanted it to be . But it’s just an absolute mess from a writing standpoint. Animation is beautiful
Season 2 is a total writing collapse. Like joker 2 or late season game of thrones. They completely retconned season 1. Oh, is jinx finally at peace being a villain? Nope, retconned. She's sad again and doesn't want to be a villain doesn't want to be jinx. Why? She's best girl can't do anything wrong. Can't support women's wrongs. In season 1 she was an elite mob assassin who killed at least multiple dozens of people, probably hundreds if not low thousands. She laughed maniacally as she gunned them down. She committed multiple terrorist attacks that killed people. But season 2? She best girl. Silly jinx! Color smoke attack! It would make sense that Caitlyn would become more desperate to get jinx, more unhinged in the pursuit of jinx if she was running around killing people left and right. But know. Jinx does color bombs and then retires. So why does Caitlyn become obsessed with jinx? Like yeah jinxed killed Caitlyn's mother of course but why be dictator and opress the entire under city. Just personally try to track jinx down. But since jinx isn't killing anyone it's not the same intensity. There's a million ways to Sunday where you could have taken the story that would have been better than this And Caitlyn never even does anything bad. Because she is also best girl. That's why she should have accidentally killed Iesha. Or even just accidentally wounded her. Jayce accidentally killed a kid in camera in season 1. Imagine if he didn't. It went from him going the undercity is dangerous to you Silco my man let's have peace you can get independence. Like what? Oh i changed my mind off camera But that's exactly what Caitlin did in season 2 The first act wasn't as good as season 1 but was still good..some issues and flaws but could be fixed. Act 2 really started to go off the walls. Iesha's sacrifice was stupid. The moment was ruined bc 1 this character clearly existed only to die. 2 why? She didn't even need to do that. Like literally they could have just left the other way. It was just stupid. And 3. Warwick doesn't die, jinx is still captured etc. Her sacrifice was worthless. 4. The rest of the series most people don't even react to it. It's like the character is forgotten. Also kinda just anticlimacticly fixing to and Caitlyn and vi and jinx. Like uh, ok. Not like you just gutted the 2 min plot points of the show. Then season 3 except for the standalone first episode the end of season sucked ass. Worst writing collapse I ever saw. Worse than ending of GOT. Worse than joker 2. Yay all our main character arcs are already done. No climax just dropped arc 2. Catlyin changes her mind on the whole being a dictator thing. With no resolution or climax and off camera. Jinx and vi are good now. Bc I don't know. They spent 4 minutes together. Sure vi moved heaven and earth to get her sister back in season 1 but it didn't work. Now in season 2 it just ...... Kinda happens...... I guess So the end of the season is a battle of nameless faceless noxians and robots. Whoop. No emotional stakes
I get where your coming from hit I still absolutely loved this season. I personally could still feel the love that the writers had and Christian linke had for the game and show. Yes it was rushed. Yes characters suffered. But at the end of the day. What we got was a show that was outstanding imo. Season 1 was a masterpiece but season 2 was a flawed masterclass. Still beautiful and still amazing. I actually feel as though jinx is dead.. it would make her arc complete and give her a great ending. Even still I hope she isnt 😂 (I’m still depressed) I just feel so moved by both seasons and just grateful at the end of the day. But I can TOTALLY see why ppl were disappointed.. but I think that is also made more glaringly obvious due to how perfect s1 was. I’m hoping they can replicate the magic in further shows. But for me and many others I feel like it was still amazing. Especially with highs like episode 7 and the entrance of fractured jinx in the finale (one of my favourite entrances in cinema). There were really low lows. But also very good highs that moved me emotionally !
I don't see how this would correlate to being a cash grabbing cinematic universe. Many of your point such as Jinx being alive and her being alive for her to show up in future titles may be true but it's currently speculation. Magic in League of Legends universe has always been extremely dangerous and has gotten out of control many time, so the fact that people harnessing magic who has no true fundamental knowledge of the subject, would lead to disaster is not a surprise. As for why no other nation intervened; could be due to the fact they where not affected at all. from my understanding from watching the show, the people who victor tried to evolve where physically forced into it, which would explain why other nation did not intervene, also the fact that rogue Naxos forces invaded a friendly/allied nation, could explain any damages caused in this arc, a cover up if you will or at best an excuse. Jinx being alive to solely appear or play apart in other titles makes no sense, the lore of league is vast and mostly established dropping jinx into the story makes no sense. From my stand point as some who enjoys league lore, it had never made sense to only make 1 stand alone serious based in piltover/zaun. considering its not the most favourite nation in runeterra, but was the easiest to flesh out into a show; mostly due to the fact that its the smallest nation and has the most champion based in the same era, while others nations have champions spread out through decades to centuries to millennium. so from my stand point i had always believed they would make more in future, considering Riot game current venture into other niches. now don't get me wrong I'm not just dick riding the show, I have many criticism due to lore changes and erasing of champions as whole(blitzcrank). i just don't agree with some to a lot of you points, mostly to them being unsubstantial.
I think Season 2 was great, and definitely wouldn't bundle Arcane into all the shows that had a great start but terrible sequels. However, season 2 is more complex, with more characters and things going on. So some elements from season 1 were lost, while the new ones didn't hit as hard. Lots of people would agree that it needed maybe 12 episodes instead of 9 to fully develop everything. Like for example we could've had more scenes showing Victor's arc, perhaps with multiple characters attempting and failing to stop him along the way. It wasn't that the writing was bad, just a little incomplete.
More complicated, but less complex, in my view. Mel, Jayce, Heimedinger, Echo are literally locked away from the world what should be the heart of their character development (the middle act). This is both a problem and a symptom of a lack of ideas. Instead, the story for the not-locked away main characters is propelled forward in crucial ways by non-characters: Isha & Warwick.
ı dont like s2 as much as s1 so ı can relate and yet everything you sad in the vid can be explained and s2 is still pretty good just it had an impossible task of being better then what fans wanted
I find it interesting that Arcane aways had these empty story problems, but people only seem to notice it in Season 2. Season one's rushed story between Vic and Sky for instance.
If you ask me, Cait and Vi. Bro, I was never convinced that it was happening that fast given their characters. Think about it; a naive, Piltoven, detective Enforcer is on a journey to track down Jinx and comes across a lead, then over the span of a few days gets into each other? I understand their reasoning, but Vi was locked up for seven years with a clear and obvious spite against Piltovers oppression, including their Enforcers. Like Season 2, it all made sense, but Cait and Vi’s relationship just made no logical sense given the circumstances, and even their chemistry
@@thewatcher...2401 Agreed. I think their relationship suffers from what I call the eager-romance-writing problem, where the writer is too eager to just have two particular people get together. Whether it's a hetero or non hetero relationship. In this case, I think the push for a sapphic relationship became more important to the creators than telling a great story to set up their relationship dynamic realistically.
@@Constantine_James Omg.....When the scene where he accidentally ends her life happened, it was such a fantastic scene, with almost zero story build up. While watching that scene I kept feeling like I didn't feel that the dramatization of the moment was earned...like at all. I don't even know what Vic really felt for Sky. There was a lot of that in Arcane. Vi and Jinx is another example.
It is very easy to complain about it... I think they did an excellent job considering they have like 10 main characters in the show that they need to address
@@1ivaneskuthat’s Cope tbh . In this age we have so many different ways around not being able to see each other in person . Zoom calls , social media , heck thousands of very successful businesses models are virtual . Covid being the reason for a downward slope in storytelling dosent work as an excuse
@ i’m not saying it’s full on excuse… but i worked in a business that went from full office based to full remote.. and let me tell you - it does make a world of difference, especially when it comes to cooperation and brainstorming ideas. There’s no comparing having an online call and live office discussion - you lose so much due to it having to be one speaker at the time and other restrictions that online comms create
@ i agree the season could’ve gone in completely different direction.. to me there’s still enough substance to find amusement in it.. i’d say that’s what matters to majority of population.. although everyone’s gonna have their own opinion.. and yeah, you invest quarter billion into something, you probably want to see some return too :)
I watched S01 and S02 back to back again after finishing up S02 for the first time and still heavily disagree with you. During my first watch I felt S02 Act 3 was somewhat rushed and could have benefitted from a little more runtime (by no means another whole season like so many others advocate for for some reason) but that feeling actually went away after I watched it all a second time. Hearing you bring up the "unresolved" storylines of season 2 now makes it seem to me that you are deliberately ignoring set up, development & conclusion to some of them (while also doing cherry picking of the behind the scenes stuff to make it look like you know what you're talking about) just to release a controversial Hot take type video
i disagree season 2 was pretty good and yes of course it could be better but i think they had to do it kinda fast to establish theyr base for the viewer and yes i hope they dont rush the other countles series theyr gonna make .
In arcane s1 i felt as if the show had an actual world with consequences, and actions and actual characters. In season 2 i felt as if i was watching something bashing me over the head with propaganda and a rather beutal anti male bias, boss babe, and marvel assemble type cheap tricks. Season 2 is completely different, its not even arcane at that point.
Wow, it takes some nerve to criticize Arcane... Of course the plot was better put together and more laid back in season 1 And that's not what season 2 is looking for. Hell, how can you make a down-to-earth story when you have so much magic? It's just impossible The best thing to do was to throw it all out like that, less need for brains but you get a full view
Season 1 felt more conclusive than season 2
Season 2 felt like it was written by people who watched season 1 through tiktok edits, fanfiction and shipping material.
If they did, the ship of CaiVi wouldn't be so toxic in the show.
The biggest gap in quality, by far, is how Arcane went from class conscious in Season 1 to class comatose in Season 2.
Nooooo, they didn't write a show in alignment with my political views! Bad!!!11!
My brother in Christ, the story was never political in nature, and it definitely shouldn't've been a political fantasy propaganda piece.
I’m sorry I’m really not trying to be an ass but if you really think that arcane was never political in nature you’re just flat out wrong .
@@LiveGame555
It wasn't propaganda, but it had interesting exploration of complex themes and ideas. Which got replaced by loud incoherent noises, flashy bangs and explosions and MCU-esque finale in Season 2.
From a story about people and their struggles we got a story about people fighting a god and winning everything in the end by the sheer power of friendship. How convinient
Do you mean how the show starts denouncing police violence and end up suggesting that war and militarism is a good way to overcome social differences?
Yeah, I kinda see your point.
@@Kantorek17Power of Friendship and "you're beautiful" line
it feels like every plot point in season 2 was actively trying to pull characters away from the story of season 1: the anomaly, warwick, isha, the black rose, and ambessa's relationship with caitlyn
by the time we reached silco in jinx's jail cell.. it felt like.. is this even still the same show?
No it's not, it's basically the start of the new era of Riot Games movie multiverse. I mean they already mentioned they have been working on Noxus story all while making Arcane Season 2, also saw somewhere that they have opened new live action studio within their structure. So I'm afraid there will be more products instead of art from them in the upcoming years
the point is that the characters became their opposites in season 2
I completely agree. Season 2 feels so disconnected from season 1 that I wonder if they simply gave up. Take a look at Vi for example. In season 1 they took their time to establish her friendship with Ekko, first as kids and then with a reunion, they feel like good friends, even though all the harships. Then in season 2, when Ekko gets absorbed by the Hexcore we get no reaction from her, not even from the Firelights. It's like the plot took over the characters and all they did or say only was used to move the plot forward. Same thing with Caitlyn and Jayce, there's no reaction from Jayce disappearing even though we know they're friends and so on. Let's not even talk about Jinx, who went from going completely mad in season 1 to losing all of her development in season 2 just because the writers wanted to force a family plot point.
I remember thinking at the S1 finale there was no way to redeem Jinx, and the fact that they had to involve Isha to make it work proves that. It's a forced plot device. The ending didn't fit who Jinx was; it wasn't tragic, it was cruel. She should've had a tragic ending, not one that disrespects Vi's character.
Watching S1 and S2 back to back REALLY made me realize the flaws. S1 was self-contained and small-scale enough. S2 was so illogical, dropping balls and missing points, misunderstanding itself, focusing on the wrong things...
I think the big problem is people are of the opinion s2 was still amazing despite being slightly rushed. Its literally an abysmal showcase in writing and destroying its own legacy and never gets treated as such.
In pursuit of a fan service, we failed to do good.
We don't have to make it right... because the scores are 9/10.
@@alypaches4528this line man
I feel truly sorry for all the artists and writers who worked on season one, including also the incredibly talented people who did their best in season two. It’s really not fair what happened to the show
God, the show remained so pretty but at the same time I agree with a lot of the criticisms. It didn't sit right with me. The heavy emphasis on the music vids, the slow pace of the first few episodes, the way important characters got thrown to the side and thrown back in in the last hour, dedicating ekko an entire episode in an alternate reality when there's only 80 minutes of show left to wrap everything up. Time travel, ughhh! Why did Viktor even send jayce back to that specific time? Why didn't they just TALK?? Why did Viktor let Jayce suffer in dark souls dimension for god knows how long? What an ass!
I'll just say I agree so far with all your arcane videos. I'm glad to see good faith criticism of the show popping up. There are moments I loved and probably always will to some extent. For example, viktor trying to heal warwick. But I'm afraid that the season really just leaves me disappointed.
I appreciate you making these videos. I watched arcane s1 recently and loved it but as soon as I got to s2 I noticed a pretty big quality drop. like some parts of s2 are cool but some of the writing decisions feel really rushed and just poor. I hope that for whatever they are making next, they try to focus on the writing quality a lot more as it is what made the first season amazing and for something very character driven like arcane, writing should be a focus point.
i feel like in s2 everyone is gay
I think one of the biggest problems with season 2 is that it tried to do *way* too much in such a short amount of time. It wanted to continue the conflict of the first season, while also introducing both new conflicts *and* continuing the characters’ stories beyond their origins.
In my opinion; season 2 should have followed up with what season 1 was doing, perhaps with there being a civil war that leads to Piltover and Zaun separated and at odds, and all the characters in their “present” states (Vi with the Enforcers, Caitlyn as the new Sheriff of Piltover, Jinx as a criminal who largely blows stuff up for fun, etc.). Then, either a third season or a sequel show could *continue* everyone’s stories, with a lot of the plot points of season 2 (the Black Rose, the Wild Rune, Ambessa invading Noxus, etc.) being how the story continues. Maybe even giving implications that now, the various regions of Runeterra are slowly coming together for something bigger (whether it be Ryze’s search for the Worldrunes, an invasion by the Void, or something else).
Hopefully, the next Runeterra show will be better all around-while I still loved Arcane S1, S2 was a let-down in a lot of ways, and I don’t want future stories to be like that.
Season 2 is deceptively complex. By that I mean the sheer volume of random characters and plot lines fool people into thinking it's something deep and complex, when in actuality it's just so bloated. Fortiche deserves a goddamn raise for managing to make amazing visuals that obfuscate just how questionable S2 is.
Ngl I was also pretty light on S2 at first and even defended some of its questionable points. But the more the honeymoon phase wears off and I think more about it, and the more I learn, it just gets even worse.
S1 also had complexity but everything was impacting each following action and it was all tying together and influencing. S2 had so many loose lines happening at the same time and not considering the way they - and all the characters involved - would influence each other.
At the core S1 is all starting because of Piltover oppressing Zaun, which influences the upbringing of the sisters, then they influence hextech's succes, then hextech causes them issues with the cops, then this allows vander to get kidnapped, then this causes Powder to blow shit up, which causes Vi to abandon her, which causes her to get influenced by Silco, who uses the oppression of Piltover to do crime stuff, and Jinx affects hextech by stealing it, and this leads to Zaun blowing up Piltover's council. It's all events serving each other. Hextech is a consequence of piltover's wealth that gets appropriated by Zaun because of the oppression they have caused, VIA JINX, it's all karma, it's all cycles of violence.
But in S2, suddenly hextech is the prime conflict, not Zaun vs. Piltover, they just give up on it. And you get this whole hextech conflict, but then you also have Vi and Jinx trying to kill each other, but they don't really do much with hextech themselves, and Vi has no issue invading her home in the name of Piltover, and Jinx suddenly has this kid who has been victimized by Silco's crime lord stuff, but who has no relevance to the piltover oppression plotline because she only exists for Jinx as a character and not for the role Jinx plays in the story. And then there's Mel with her magic that doesn't even need to impact any of the story because it has nothing to do with it. And you just forget whether Jinx and Vi actually hate each other or what they want from each other because they're constantly switching to serve the plot. Like yeah you have defeated hextech, but hextech was only an aspect of Piltover, it doesn't solve your problems. And they didn't NEED to fix the inequality, but some acknowledgement would've been cool. They start off with the leftovers of the crime syndicate fighting each other, and then you also have Jinx loyalists, and Jinx becomes a hero for them and whatnot, but none of this really influences anything, it's so limited.
In S1 the characters were being ACTIVE and causing the plot to happen, consecutively, chaotically, tragically.
In S2 the characters are serving a plot that is made for spectacle and lore and for future projects. That's why it's open ended, which is frustrating, because it serves the lore and the future, but it doesn't serve what the story is.
Feels like arcane was made from the beginning to set up spin offs sell shit
It was marketing all along, that's where most of their budget went as well
Re: what you asked at the end of the vid -- I've watched season 1 and season 2 7 times, they're both 10/10 with issues 👍
If that sentence doesn't make sense, it's just because the positives overflow the rating so much that the negatives don't make a dent. Especially relative to other media.
"How many plot points weren't resolved" -- You mention Mel which has a resolved Arc, but mention it's rushed and a catastrophe without mentioning specifics.
You mention Jinx. She had an Arc, her disappearing is part of that arc.
"She absolves herself of responsibility and accountability for her actions" Her disappearing is taking responsibility. She's responsible for breaking her participation in the cycle which resulted in some of her actions. She might not be able to break the larger cycle and help on the Zaun/Piltover front, but maybe she can after she fills her cup. For now that's for Sevika, VI, and Caitlyn to try to work out. The following prescription doesn't work on a societal level where we're blind to intentions, but it works in the context of Jinx. We put people who do bad things in prison because we can't be sure they'll do these things again, and we release them when we believe it's reasonable to assume they won't re-offend. That's generally the purpose of imprisonment.
It seems safe to say that Jinx committed atrocities due to a mental state which she has shed via going through her arc, and healing her psychology. What purpose would it serve for Jinx to be in prison, dead, or or some other forced situation?
What other significant plot points weren't resolved?
You mention that Jinx's ending was convoluted without mentioning a single point which supports that, and that she escapes to "somewhere" like the destination matters a single bit given the entire thematic point of her disappearing.
"There is no meaningful message or conclusion to the entire plot point of mental health issues" The entire central theme is a meaningful message and conclusion to the mental health issues they displayed. I don't know what else to say If you don't understand this. The entire plot was exploring what causes these psychological dynamics, which leaves us with necessary conclusions. Those necessary conclusions are the message. I don't understand what else you'd want.
You say Piltover/Zaun isn't concluded. It's essentially concluded. The whole main journey was seeing why relations between these states weren't working, getting to a point where we might have a chance of making process, then making that the new framework from which relations are handled. Sevika joining the council is a step, Vi trying to reform the enforcers with Cait is a step, the understandings that both sides have learned throughout the events is a step. The show wasn't about giving us a fairytale ending to a tremendously complicated conflict, but about reforming the framework and perspectives which led to this in the first place. It's absurd to have a disneyland relationship between Piltover and Zaun even after the events which brought them together briefly. When Sevika sat down at the council table, she glared at the Piltover representatives as they glared at her. But these glares are the start of the new framework which can actually bring about long term stability and change. Everyone in the show tried to brute force it previously, it simply doesn't work.
Why are you assuming the rest of the world was destroyed by what Victor did? My understanding was that he just destroyed Piltover turning it into a post-apocalyptic wasteland. Runeterra has a host of people which should be stronger than Viktor, so, if they ended up portraying it that way, then, yeah, other people definitely should have interfered.
I'd argue that Season 1 and 2 are excellent, for different reasons.
In terms of overall cinematic experience, Season 2 is the clear winner for me. The animation and music are among the best I've seen so far.
In terms of storytelling and dialogue, Season 1 is unbeatable though.
I think the problem lies in comparing them. I have friends who said they really liked Arcane from S2, they just found S1 okay.
It's all a matter of taste to me : one has to see Arcane's seasons as beer and wine. Sure, the two are alcoholic beverages, but they offer wildly different experiences.
@@Ridif00lous yea but it was season 2’s job to follow up season 1 . Also this is just absolutely personal preference but I enjoyed the music of S1 much more .
4:21 I honestly plan to rewatch both seasons bc I felt so emotionless with season 2 compared to season 1 I feel like I'm in denial
I'm actually quite hopeful that the spin off will be as good, if not better, than arcane season 1. Given that the writing sack was due to COVID and lockdown has been over for ages, RIOT should have already hired more writers, hopefully the same ones as season 1.
i think season 2 act 1 its still decent, it really falls off after episode 4
1:56 and to sell skins. :v
@@paoda-ven ABSOLUTELY
I love your videos man. You do a great job presenting your thoughts and your opinions.
Thanks I’m trying my best out here haha .
TBH, I've never watched season 2 since I thought season 1 was enough. For me, it's best to look at it as its own story. If I was to write the show, any other following seasons would've been their own respective stories, following their own bunch of characters and settings. It could've been a bit interconnected like pre-Endgame MCU. In fact, season 2 could've gone into Mel's home to connect it to season 1.
I agree with most of what you had to say here, but I still hope they continue Arcane. It's not unheard of for a show to have a serious sophomore slump in their second season only to turn it around with great seasons afterward. Season two was definitely weaker than one, but I'll still give a third another chance to get it right
There is no season 3
... Of course there isn't. I was saying I hope they make one.
I feel like it has more to do with the cost of arcane. Netflix wasnt helping balance out the budget. 50m was Netflix (at least what ive been told) 200min was riot. Rebel moon gets 166m,but this gets 50m. Greedy bastard.
Thank you for these videos,, you are 100% correct
I could't agree more...
I think the show could've been better if it was three seasons and if it wasn't as concerned with connecting as much to a greater Runeterra universe, as well as having the whole original writing staff (although continuing a story you've set up definitely takes less writers than starting/rewriting an original story). However, if you are constrained with season one existing and then only being able to make one more season, I don't think anyone could write the story much better. Maybe Viktor's glorious evolution only really transforming Piltover and Zaun and not directly impacting the rest of the world much would be a minor improvement (it's really just a background detail mentioned once).
The story never really said much when it comes to politics with the class divide in Piltover and Zaun. Alls it really says is that there are the rich and the poor, and that the poor are neglected by the corrupt government and unfortunate. This is the most milktoast basic politics of all time. Might as well have said that evil is bad and people should be good. I don't think the writers should've offered any sort of political position on the matter other than that representation is good, which they did. Sevika is on the council. I also think that if the story came to a conclusion where nothing is really wrong with Piltover and Zaun anymore, it wouldn't be very interesting or clever. The representation is still clearly not enough, which they put in the show. Sevika is only 1 councilor despite Zaun making up almost half of the population of the twin cities, and the other councilors dislike her. Fair representation would've been 5 Piltovans and 4 Zaunites. The politics of Piltover and Zaun is a plot device to motivate characters to interact with each other, because Arcane is a story about characters, not a specific narrative or plotline. Arcane is tragic and I think the ending we got was as close to a positive ending that wouldn't feel like a betrayal of season one. This includes the fact that they made Jinx's death ambiguous. I think her death being ambiguous is better than her dying or living. If she dies, it's extremely tragic and parallels a bunch of different things in the show. If she lives then it honors the redeemability of the human soul on a whole nother level by giving Jinx an actual chance to do more good. Also, the mental health issues thing is pretty well answered within the show. Not only through AU Powder, but also with Isha. Their answer is love. That as long as someone is loved in a healthy manner (not like S1 Silco and Jinx), then mental illness won't progress to as horrible a level.
I am most happy, in terms of the impact of the show, that 3D animation is now far better than it used to be and that musical interludes will hopefully be more common. I know season two overdid it with the musical scenes, but that's because season two's story is squished into one season when it should've been two. It's very effective at getting story across with very little time, hence why it was used so much. One scene like that per 40 minute episode seems to work very well, IMO.
Ultimately, whenever I hear people talk about very harshly and negatively about Arcane, it is always over minor details or because the person speaking has misunderstandings about the show and its story. It's not perfect, but it is definitely an excellent show, 9/10 minimum, but I'd give it a 10/10. The only other animated show I think I'd say is a 10/10 is maybe Avatar: The Last Airbender, and I definitely think it is equivalent in quality.
Those are quite some good points you make. S1 was better qualitywise, I don't there is much debate about that, but I agree that S2 is still very good. If the show was given a third season it would most likely be even better and those plotlines and minor details, that cause most of the critisicm of S2, could have been fleshed out more. Personally I still really liked S2 and did not notice a significant drop in quality. I get the criticism, I just don't think those points are big enough to say the show lost it's way. 'There is beauty in imperfection'
I loved Season 1 so so much - if not the best season of a show ever made, at least the best the kind of themes and world-building that speak to me.
Because of that, and the still-great "presentation" elements (music, animation), I've been trying very hard to watch the positive reviews to reconcile with the story choices of season 2, but I can't.
Your video is all sadly correct. How on earth did "lock them away on their own" being used as the character arc for 4 important characters in what's supposed to be the heart of their journey (middle act) not raise any flags?
@@thunderqq1 dude I feel you . Week to week I was making so much content on TT talking about how amazing it was because that’s what I wanted it to be . But it’s just an absolute mess from a writing standpoint. Animation is beautiful
They should just remake S2
Season 2 is a total writing collapse. Like joker 2 or late season game of thrones.
They completely retconned season 1.
Oh, is jinx finally at peace being a villain?
Nope, retconned. She's sad again and doesn't want to be a villain doesn't want to be jinx.
Why? She's best girl can't do anything wrong. Can't support women's wrongs.
In season 1 she was an elite mob assassin who killed at least multiple dozens of people, probably hundreds if not low thousands.
She laughed maniacally as she gunned them down.
She committed multiple terrorist attacks that killed people.
But season 2? She best girl. Silly jinx! Color smoke attack!
It would make sense that Caitlyn would become more desperate to get jinx, more unhinged in the pursuit of jinx if she was running around killing people left and right.
But know. Jinx does color bombs and then retires. So why does Caitlyn become obsessed with jinx? Like yeah jinxed killed Caitlyn's mother of course but why be dictator and opress the entire under city.
Just personally try to track jinx down. But since jinx isn't killing anyone it's not the same intensity.
There's a million ways to Sunday where you could have taken the story that would have been better than this
And Caitlyn never even does anything bad. Because she is also best girl.
That's why she should have accidentally killed Iesha. Or even just accidentally wounded her.
Jayce accidentally killed a kid in camera in season 1.
Imagine if he didn't. It went from him going the undercity is dangerous to you Silco my man let's have peace you can get independence.
Like what?
Oh i changed my mind off camera
But that's exactly what Caitlin did in season 2
The first act wasn't as good as season 1 but was still good..some issues and flaws but could be fixed.
Act 2 really started to go off the walls.
Iesha's sacrifice was stupid. The moment was ruined bc 1 this character clearly existed only to die.
2 why? She didn't even need to do that. Like literally they could have just left the other way. It was just stupid.
And 3. Warwick doesn't die, jinx is still captured etc. Her sacrifice was worthless.
4. The rest of the series most people don't even react to it. It's like the character is forgotten.
Also kinda just anticlimacticly fixing to and Caitlyn and vi and jinx. Like uh, ok. Not like you just gutted the 2 min plot points of the show.
Then season 3 except for the standalone first episode the end of season sucked ass.
Worst writing collapse I ever saw. Worse than ending of GOT. Worse than joker 2.
Yay all our main character arcs are already done. No climax just dropped arc 2. Catlyin changes her mind on the whole being a dictator thing. With no resolution or climax and off camera. Jinx and vi are good now. Bc I don't know. They spent 4 minutes together. Sure vi moved heaven and earth to get her sister back in season 1 but it didn't work. Now in season 2 it just ......
Kinda happens...... I guess
So the end of the season is a battle of nameless faceless noxians and robots. Whoop.
No emotional stakes
Arcane season 2 reads the same way a bad liar tells a story.
Do we know why they fired so many writers?
I get where your coming from hit I still absolutely loved this season. I personally could still feel the love that the writers had and Christian linke had for the game and show. Yes it was rushed. Yes characters suffered. But at the end of the day. What we got was a show that was outstanding imo. Season 1 was a masterpiece but season 2 was a flawed masterclass. Still beautiful and still amazing. I actually feel as though jinx is dead.. it would make her arc complete and give her a great ending. Even still I hope she isnt 😂 (I’m still depressed) I just feel so moved by both seasons and just grateful at the end of the day. But I can TOTALLY see why ppl were disappointed.. but I think that is also made more glaringly obvious due to how perfect s1 was. I’m hoping they can replicate the magic in further shows. But for me and many others I feel like it was still amazing. Especially with highs like episode 7 and the entrance of fractured jinx in the finale (one of my favourite entrances in cinema). There were really low lows. But also very good highs that moved me emotionally !
I also binged s1 and s2 😂 together
I don't see how this would correlate to being a cash grabbing cinematic universe. Many of your point such as Jinx being alive and her being alive for her to show up in future titles may be true but it's currently speculation. Magic in League of Legends universe has always been extremely dangerous and has gotten out of control many time, so the fact that people harnessing magic who has no true fundamental knowledge of the subject, would lead to disaster is not a surprise. As for why no other nation intervened; could be due to the fact they where not affected at all. from my understanding from watching the show, the people who victor tried to evolve where physically forced into it, which would explain why other nation did not intervene, also the fact that rogue Naxos forces invaded a friendly/allied nation, could explain any damages caused in this arc, a cover up if you will or at best an excuse.
Jinx being alive to solely appear or play apart in other titles makes no sense, the lore of league is vast and mostly established dropping jinx into the story makes no sense.
From my stand point as some who enjoys league lore, it had never made sense to only make 1 stand alone serious based in piltover/zaun. considering its not the most favourite nation in runeterra, but was the easiest to flesh out into a show; mostly due to the fact that its the smallest nation and has the most champion based in the same era, while others nations have champions spread out through decades to centuries to millennium. so from my stand point i had always believed they would make more in future, considering Riot game current venture into other niches.
now don't get me wrong I'm not just dick riding the show, I have many criticism due to lore changes and erasing of champions as whole(blitzcrank). i just don't agree with some to a lot of you points, mostly to them being unsubstantial.
I think Season 2 was great, and definitely wouldn't bundle Arcane into all the shows that had a great start but terrible sequels. However, season 2 is more complex, with more characters and things going on. So some elements from season 1 were lost, while the new ones didn't hit as hard. Lots of people would agree that it needed maybe 12 episodes instead of 9 to fully develop everything.
Like for example we could've had more scenes showing Victor's arc, perhaps with multiple characters attempting and failing to stop him along the way. It wasn't that the writing was bad, just a little incomplete.
Dude, wtf are you talking about?
More complicated, but less complex, in my view.
Mel, Jayce, Heimedinger, Echo are literally locked away from the world what should be the heart of their character development (the middle act). This is both a problem and a symptom of a lack of ideas.
Instead, the story for the not-locked away main characters is propelled forward in crucial ways by non-characters: Isha & Warwick.
@@thunderqq1
I agree that Isha was not the most interesting, but I disagree with you about Warwick.
ı dont like s2 as much as s1 so ı can relate and yet everything you sad in the vid can be explained and s2 is still pretty good just it had an impossible task of being better then what fans wanted
I find it interesting that Arcane aways had these empty story problems, but people only seem to notice it in Season 2. Season one's rushed story between Vic and Sky for instance.
@@AetheriusComics what did you find rushed about Vic and Sky ?
If you ask me, Cait and Vi. Bro, I was never convinced that it was happening that fast given their characters. Think about it; a naive, Piltoven, detective Enforcer is on a journey to track down Jinx and comes across a lead, then over the span of a few days gets into each other? I understand their reasoning, but Vi was locked up for seven years with a clear and obvious spite against Piltovers oppression, including their Enforcers. Like Season 2, it all made sense, but Cait and Vi’s relationship just made no logical sense given the circumstances, and even their chemistry
@@thewatcher...2401 Agreed. I think their relationship suffers from what I call the eager-romance-writing problem, where the writer is too eager to just have two particular people get together. Whether it's a hetero or non hetero relationship. In this case, I think the push for a sapphic relationship became more important to the creators than telling a great story to set up their relationship dynamic realistically.
@@Constantine_James Omg.....When the scene where he accidentally ends her life happened, it was such a fantastic scene, with almost zero story build up. While watching that scene I kept feeling like I didn't feel that the dramatization of the moment was earned...like at all. I don't even know what Vic really felt for Sky. There was a lot of that in Arcane.
Vi and Jinx is another example.
@ well he didn’t feel a ton for her and that’s why it’s so tragic .
interesting
It is very easy to complain about it... I think they did an excellent job considering they have like 10 main characters in the show that they need to address
They'd have had no problems addressing all these main characters had they continued the original story they were writing
@@lujin914 they also were offered more time and rejected it .
It's not easy to complain about season 1
Maybe a world pandemic has also played a little role in lot of writers not being able to meet up in around the table and brainstorm???
@@1ivaneskuthat’s Cope tbh . In this age we have so many different ways around not being able to see each other in person . Zoom calls , social media , heck thousands of very successful businesses models are virtual . Covid being the reason for a downward slope in storytelling dosent work as an excuse
@ i’m not saying it’s full on excuse… but i worked in a business that went from full office based to full remote.. and let me tell you - it does make a world of difference, especially when it comes to cooperation and brainstorming ideas. There’s no comparing having an online call and live office discussion - you lose so much due to it having to be one speaker at the time and other restrictions that online comms create
@ you def do loose things but even still that dosent excuse them cutting the majority of writers .
@ i agree the season could’ve gone in completely different direction.. to me there’s still enough substance to find amusement in it.. i’d say that’s what matters to majority of population.. although everyone’s gonna have their own opinion.. and yeah, you invest quarter billion into something, you probably want to see some return too :)
Technology invalidated that excuse half a decade before that "pandemic"
I’d show to get its animated film
Nah
I watched S01 and S02 back to back again after finishing up S02 for the first time and still heavily disagree with you. During my first watch I felt S02 Act 3 was somewhat rushed and could have benefitted from a little more runtime (by no means another whole season like so many others advocate for for some reason) but that feeling actually went away after I watched it all a second time. Hearing you bring up the "unresolved" storylines of season 2 now makes it seem to me that you are deliberately ignoring set up, development & conclusion to some of them (while also doing cherry picking of the behind the scenes stuff to make it look like you know what you're talking about) just to release a controversial Hot take type video
yes x100
It would be hard for me to disagree more.
@@ramsessiereveld2824 how so
i disagree season 2 was pretty good and yes of course it could be better but i think they had to do it kinda fast to establish theyr base for the viewer and yes i hope they dont rush the other countles series theyr gonna make .
In arcane s1 i felt as if the show had an actual world with consequences, and actions and actual characters. In season 2 i felt as if i was watching something bashing me over the head with propaganda and a rather beutal anti male bias, boss babe, and marvel assemble type cheap tricks.
Season 2 is completely different, its not even arcane at that point.
Bad takes. Season 2 crushed it. No I won't elaborate.
@@NorthernWhisper no Elaboration = No Valid Opinion
@@Constantine_James nah, just no time wasted. IMDB ratings speak for themselves.
@ the fact that you trust imbd says enough
@ “IMDb is bad because I disagree with it” - you. Turns out most people disagree with you. I know it hurts.
@@NorthernWhisperYou didn't want to elaborate, and using IMDb ratings isn't going to brush off criticism of the second season.
Wow, it takes some nerve to criticize Arcane...
Of course the plot was better put together and more laid back in season 1
And that's not what season 2 is looking for. Hell, how can you make a down-to-earth story when you have so much magic? It's just impossible
The best thing to do was to throw it all out like that, less need for brains but you get a full view
Feels like arcane was made from the beginning to set up spin offs sell shit
It was marketing all along, that's where most of their budget went as well