The video fails to consider that many more things went differently than in the prime timeline besides the letter. We lack all context. The AU may have had Silco make decisions prior that made him less radical person than we know.
@@Vario69 the whole “multiverse” plot introduced in Arcane is terrible and drags the series down to Marvel level of storytelling. So honestly I don’t want to even consider the possibility of “Silco from a different time-line might heave done this or that” it’s just too painfully sad thinking what Arcane has become; season 2 killed the story crafted in season 1 the moment it started
@grAnita- multiverses can be great, marvel did it awful but it can be great, putting multiverse down cuz the bad use of it is like putting super heroes or space travel as something inherent bad
@ can be, but most of the time is not. That’s because it erases any real stake and adds a whole new bunch of convoluted rules to the story, drift in the main characters and plots in to oblivion. Arcane is a fantasy setting, we already heave magic. Why the heck adding the multiverse and time travel into the story, especially when it’s too late to expand them
@grAnita- time travel and multiverses come from LOL, but i still get your point about how late it was implement, but i dont think it erase the stakes, it only shows you how it could your world if things just... where different
Amanda Overton, the lead writer for episode 2x7, introduced it by saying that it was the world where Silco found the letter and so things ended up better. I think the creators just wanted a fanservice-y episode and that was the fig-leaf they used to justify everything being better. Season 2 showed a profound disinterest in the relationship and history between Piltover and Zaun, and that impacted their portrayal of Vander and Silco.
I didn't see the think that you're saying, but nonetheless, I disagree with you. This episode is soooo deep. This fun service argument is really stupid. Fun service would be Caitlyn saying "league of legends". Fun service would be having no story. But there is a story, a very deep one. It just takes time to breath instead of cramp anything like the rest of the arc.
You are simply absolutely categorically correct in this analysis. And kudos to you for doing it in 3 minutes and change instead of dragging it out over 10 minutes.
S2 is just one big mess of a story, that tries its hardest to unload big, emotionally charged moment at every turn, without having the patience to actually build up anything
YES. It whould have been sooooo much better if there was build up to that which happened. I whould still say its beutifull, nice mess of many condensed stories. Season 2 was way to fast to portray the character development properly.
Thats the thing, people say its a great show because it plays with their emotion, and many people cant see through that there is nothing behind these emotions, no story, just things happening for random reasons.
I actually disagree. It's not that they didn't have the patience to build it up, they didn't have the time. Because on paper, every works great, the story, the moments. But still most of us came out with an empty feeling, and I suspect it is because we didn't feel like the show earned to have those moments.
Honestly man, I went into this review thinking you were gonna be wrong, but I gotta admit, I don't have a single rebuttle for anything you've brought up. You've convinced me, and it's a shame because the similarities and differences between Silco and Vander are one of my favorite things about their respective characters
I somehat agree. Jinx's assertion is just her speculation, from her point of view of what she knows. On the one hand, she knew post-breakup Silco better than anyone, so perhaps she is correct. On the other hand, I personally beleive the point of the letter was to show us that Vander had an open invitation to put the past behind for both of them and make amends. All Silco had to do was approach Vander. We dont know any of the events that took place in this world between the death of Vi and what we see in S2 E7, so we have no idea when, why or how Silco approached Vander.
Maybe Silco's point of no return was when Vander died. Any empathy and possibility of redemption died with Vander, Silco's only choice was to move on and fight for what he believed was best for Zaun because he was quite literally alone, all his friends and family were dead and he only had Jinx. In a world where Silco finds Vander mourning Vi's death, maybe he feels a little bit of compassion for him and approaches, allowing for a reconciliation which may eventually lead to them resolving their differences and deciding Zaun is better off with the two of them taking care of it together.
@may_ryann "Point of no return" that is an excellent observation. Before silco kills Vander he is still obsessed with his dream of Zaun. After he believes Vander to be dead, instead of Zaun he simply creates an organized crime version of Piltover in the undercity. I can't believe this was any version of his younger self's dream. Zaun only becomes a possibilty again when Jayce proposes a meeting, and Silco makes overreaching demands as if to say he tried. I think he was truly shocked when Jayce said he would accept them, making his former dream a possibility at the same time his empire was crumbling around him. This must have made the temptation to give up Jinx even stronger, and his decision to choose not too even more difficult. It's as if he can't make THEIR dream a reality without Vander. Vander can't make it alone and neither can Silco. But together they could make it happen. I love it.
I dont beleve that parallel reality was because he found the letter, but because Vi died Silco reapected Vander for his guts to do whatever it takes to defend his cause (in the past). In ep 1 of arcane, Silco was in the shadow, "knowing" Vander wasnt fighting for the the cause, he was "just" managing everything and been "to coward" to fight for a change All the quotation marks i put was true in Silco eyes in ep 1 and he understand he was wrong at the end, when he was in vander position and needed to hand Jynx over piltover His main emotion about Vander was disappointment. At same time, his disappoinrment and anger comes from the love and respect he had for Vander and his family. Joining everything, in the parallel universe when Vi died, Vander understand his responsability and guilty over the incident. Silco must expect Vander fall, but no, his responsability to be strong for powder, mylo and claggor made him stand up and swallow every tear. Silco respect this guts, Silco could also loved Vi because he was(?) a uncle of Vi too, and maybe he could see Vander managing his emotions and his respinsabilities over Vi loss better than him. And than, in that moment, Silco is open to receive the letter (and just than the letter could make a difference) That is my opinion, my view over this scenario.
and it's so annoying because Vander DOES apologize to Silco... "I've never forgiven myself for what I did to you." And Silco's like don't worry buddy, I know :) You still gotta die.
After reading some more comments, I've come by a really good point: People in Zaun, kids too, died there all the time. But it's a big difference when a Zaunite kid dies in PILTOVER. In Zaun the police can brush it off, cover it, a generally not deal with it. But when it happens in Piltover, for everyone to see - you can't cover it up. And it gets people to talking - why was there kids in the apartment? Is things in the undercity really that bad that KIDS need to steal and die doing so? That kind of attention would obligate the council for action. They'll realise that they have to fix the situation in Zaun, wether from the motivation of helping the need or just to regain the trust and likeability of the crowd. And when Piltover starts helping Zaun and fixing it, Silco's efforts become somewhat obsolete, and all that remains is his personal feud with Vander, and it's easier to heal when things are getting better. Now I still think the letter would've have fixed things, but I think their relationship was fixable nonetheless. And the existence of the letter isn't bad writing because it wouldn't have worked. The arcane writers are great.
what else could he do? fight piltover be himself? Piltover and Zaun stoped hating each other, his violent revolution has no place or reason in this world
@@DeathfunnyguyI really don't think that Piltover just one day decided to stop oppressing Zaun on their own, that's not how systemic issues get resolved. Silco and Vander teaming up was probably what brought social change between both cities. It would be out of character for Silco to just fall back in with Vander after the systemic issues are resolved because that would basically be submitting to Vander and admitting he was wrong.
@@stuffynosepatrol Unless Councilor Heimerdinger randomly started pushing for reforms in Piltover following a radical change of heart roughly four years post-Vi. Also in fairness, there's a difference between "not wanting someone dead" and "completely falling in line with that someone's plans". It was probably closer to a nonaggression agreement at first, before changes topside allowed that to move into a full partnership.
@@K2niarDneK Heimerdinger's change of mind probably did play a part in it but he couldn't do it alone. He tried to go against the council in season 1 and he got outvoted and kicked out for it. If the other councillors didn't have other reasons to agree with Heimerdinger then Heimerdinger's change of heart wouldn't do anything because he could always be over-ruled. There had to be a reason behind the councillors agreeing to stop oppressing Zaun. If Piltover just randomly decided to start being nice to Zaun for no reason then Silco would likely see joining Vander as an admission that his ideas of violent rebellion were wrong and his brother who betrayed and maimed him was right. I don't think Silco would ever admit that and just be all buddy buddy with Vander. No, I think Vander losing Vi lead to him joining up with Silco, the Hound and Shimmer intimidated the councillors into agreeing to give Zaun rights after a persistent campaign from Heimerdinger brought the idea to the table.
@@stuffynosepatrol Wall of text incoming because I love over-analyzing 'What If?' scenarios. *Short Version:* Most of the Council's serious issues with the Undercity come from either Powder theft of the Hex-Crystals or Jinx's theft of the Hex-Gem or Jinx's attack on the Council Building; a few are neutral but sympathetic, most of them are either purely neutral and a few are just dismissive. With the invention of Hex-Tech averted, there's no reason for the AU!Council to explicitly _dislike_ the AU!Undercity and AU!Zaunites. Most of the Council's issues with Heimerdinger come from Councilor Jayce fostering corruption regarding the Hex-Gates and Hex-Tech investments. Without AU!Jayce either dead, banished or imprisoned (because his experiments killed two children and possibly himself), there's no reason for the AU!Council to forcibly retire AU!Heimer before Prime!Heimer arrives, and no reason for most of them to staunchly oppose Prime!Heimer when he tries to push for change, assuming he words his arguments correctly. All of this resulting in making Prime!Heimer's goal of reforming the two cities when he arrives significantly easier. Not exactly _easy,_ per se, but definitely a lot _easier._ *Long Version:* Heimer was kicked out because of Jayce. When the show started, Heimer was arguably the most influential Councilor outside of maybe Mel (because she's just politically smarter than everyone else on the Council). He _was_ explicitly mentioned in 1x2 as the Head of the Council by Viktor, and his suggestion for a lesser sentencing was the only reason Jayce wasn't banished when his lab exploded in the main timeline. With AU!Jayce's experiments killing two children (because according to World of God, AU!Cait was also caught in the blast), there would be no reason for AU!Heimer to try and persuade the AU!Countil to take pity on AU!Jayce, assuming AU!Jayce himself even survived the explosion. Without AU!Jayce on the Council skewing the priorities of the other AU!Councilors with behind-the-scenes deals regarding Hex-Tech and trade privileges, AU!Heimer likely remains relatively unchallenged as the Head of the Council. Shoola and Cassandra already seemed to be somewhat sympathetic to the plight of the Undercity (Shoola was the one to mention that Zaunites were still Piltover's people, Cassandra was willing to schedule an audience with the Council for Vi and Cait, and either Cassandra herself or her predecessor designed the Gray Ventilation System) Mel was always willing to take business risks if she thought it would be societally and financially beneficial going forward, and Bolbok seemed relatively neutral to the Undercity outside of being incredibly focused on the recovery of the Hex-Crystals and Hex-Gem (which, given his race was apparently nearly-destroyed by Magic, was a relatively warranted focus). Prime!Heimer, when he arrives and starts working, could probably sway AU!Cassandra and AU!Shoola to his side relatively easily regarding Undercity/Zaun reforms, AU!Mel would undoubtedly see fixing the Undercity as a worthwhile investment for both societal stability and financial profitability, AU!Bolbok has no reason to be afraid of the Undercity or its people without the threat of magic, and if AU!Mel is on board then probably so is AU!Hoskel (given what we saw in 1x2, AU!Mel probably has him in her pocket). All that leaves is AU!Salo, and with Piltover seemingly not having a veto system, his single vote against it wouldn't mean anything even if he couldn't be convinced by Prime!Heimer. And given his obsession with his public perception, he might not even vote against it for fear of looking extremely bad even if he does personally disagree with it.
It took Silco 7 years to change his views. And it was because of Jinx and becoming her father. Do people really think one letter would change him this fundamentaly?
Maybe he forgives vander in the alternate universe only because Vi dies, because I really think he finds the letter but just got more anger and didnt forgive him
The letter wasnt meant for Silco, at least not the one we see in act 1. It was meant for a younger Silco who hadnt spent years planning and building his hatred up for Vander and Piltover to make himself stronger.
I agree. I didn't think of that. I still believe the letter was a bad apology, but maybe younger Silco would've accepted it. Or in the words of Jinx, "might".
I don't think its a flaw from the writers I think its more characterization for Vander. He tries to apologize to Silco for what he did face to face too. Vander has a fundamental misunderstanding of why Silco takes the path he does. Vi and Jinx thinking it could have changed things shows they don't understand important things about the failed revolution when they were kids.
I would agree with you if it weren't for the AU. they don't say it's because of the letter but it's heavily implied. Like yeah you could make your fan theories about what actually happened and all that, but if you ask the average viewer they're gonna tell you it's because of the letter, and that's because that's what the show pointed us to.
@@StereoTunicFromMinecraft Whole AU plot doesn't make sense if closely considered tbh. Like if the only difference is that Vi dies at the very beginning, there's still a mass production of shimmer intact and going and Silco plotting behind Vander's back. If anything Vi being dead and the kids getting captured should be a vital opportunity for Silco to give Vander and his rule over Zaun a fatal strike. Basically even with Vi dead Silco still overthows Vander and creates his so called Enterprise. There's no way he's stopping right in the middle of that
It was probably Vi's death that brought the pair together. Either because Vander went to Silco realising his error, that he cant protect everyone by laying down and not trying to fight against oppression, or because Silco chose to approach Vander to help him through the hard time. Then together with the help of shimmer, which would have been finished by then, they could intimidate Piltover into giving them their rights since Piltover didnt have hextech to combat shimmer.
@@6Kubik 1) Silco respects Vander and he was close to Vi's mother. Even if he tried to kill Vander's kids for political reasons, that doesn't mean he hated the kids nor does it mean that he would never reach out to Vander to help him grieve. 2) You seriously don't believe that Silco wouldn't jump at the opportunity to manipulate Vander's rage and grief into helping him rebel against Piltover?
That's actually a good point. People in Zaun, kids too, died there all the time. But it's a big difference when a Zaunite kid dies in PILTOVER. In Zaun the police can brush it off, cover it, a generally not deal with it. But when it happens in Piltover, for everyone to see - you can't cover it up. And it gets people to talking - why was there kids in the apartment? Is things in the undercity really that bad that KIDS need to steal and die doing so? That kind of attention would obligate the council for action. They'll realise that they have to fix the situation in Zaun, wether from the motivation of helping the need or just to regain the trust and likeability of the crowd. And when Piltover starts helping Zaun and fixing it, Silco's efforts become somewhat obsolete, and all that remains is his personal feud with Vander, and it's easier to heal when things are getting better. Now I still think the letter would've have fixed things, but I think their relationship was fixable nonetheless. And the existence of the letter isn't bad writing because it wouldn't have worked. The arcane writers are great.
@@itaiharshoshanim-ib6kp I don't quite agree because it would still be pretty easy for the Piltovan council to cover up Vi's death. They could say that it was a failed robbery attempt to steal weaponry from the apartment or that they were just stealing because they wanted to steal (unfortunately a common sentiment even in the real world). Governments can always flip an issue around if need be. I don't think one dead child would be enough to force the council to change on its own. But that does bring up the fact that the council covering up Vi's death may have pushed Vander over the edge and lead him back to violent rebellion. In real life just sitting back and waiting for change to happen doesn't actually work. Every single major social advancement in human rights has come at the cost of war, even if big companies and world governments don't want to acknowledge that for obvious reasons.
I agree a letter ain’t gonna change betrayal and rivalry like that. Plus who wants to see them unite there rivalry was perfect and it was supposed to be reborn in vi and jinx
Bro it's not impossible for someone to forgive a longtime friend even after bad blood between eachother. Yall are so crazy in these comments it's like you don't think people can change at all.
Are we forgetting that the person that made that statement is the most clinically unstable character in the show? Just because Jinx would have liked it to go that way doesn't mean that's what would have happened
I'm pretty sure it isnt supposed to be THE LETTER, but what would happen if he actually went to see Vander like he asked in the letter. In person would be what WOULD change things.
The divergence between Vander and Silco was not something that could have been resolved by talking it out. They had different ideals, different political beliefs, it was not the betrayal the problem, it was Vander's whole ideology. Them meeting would not have changed things. Arcane S2 writers would like you to believe all problems can be solved through the power of love, because otherwise they would have to show that it is class struggle that leads actual change.
That's complete bolocks. The very reason Silco had distain towards Vander is, as he said himself, the fact that he was willing to work with the enforcers. In Silco's eyes he was weak and without actual conviction to the cause. Showing more weakness wouldn't help anything other than Silco dispising Vander even more. Their conflict as vague as it was in season 1 was clearly not over Vander trying to kill Silco. That was merely the consequences of a rift between them that was already present, it was over ideals and worldview. Silco was too radical for even Vander before he walked away from the path of violence. Vander never forgave himself for tring to kill Silco but Silco forgave him quite easily with some time, because though their methods differed what Vander did was still for Zaun. In short Silco respected Vander even after he tried to kill him, because it was out of conviction. When Vander started working with the enforcers is when Silco put in motions his own plans. So no. Letter or in person wouldn't change a squat other than Vander dying a lot earlier
Nuh uh, considering the complicated history and differences between those characters there's no way Silco would even think about going to Vander. In fact this letter would get Silco even more pissed off about Vander exclaiming: "To hell with that" after reading it Not possible, period. Only in some AU if their established story is completely rewritten into something else
The letter isnt the sole reason that the alternate timeline turned out how it did it was a domino effect of multiple changes to the timeline that made it turn out so different. The letter is just one part of it.
The video fails to consider that many more things went differently than in the prime timeline besides the letter. We lack all context. The AU may have had Silco make decisions prior that made him less radical person than we know. But yes, i agree, the letter wouldn't change anything. Just that it doesn't mean the writing is bad (rather misleading at that particular moment), because the letter isn't everything.
We really don't need context on why AU Silco REALLY becomes good. It's not the focus of that story, the focus of the story is Ekko. Besides it's on a scope of a whole another fucking spinoff just to fully explore why that AU is the way it is... But hey, everything is bad writing if you're going in bad faith.
@@Vario69 Dude you cant have your cake and eat it too. You cant on the one hand state "Its AU, we dont know what happened, therefore cant criticize" but then on the other hand say "We dont need context, its not the focus" If its not the focus, dont bullshit your way by saying its good writing because its never explained. Dont say its never explained because its not the focus. If its not the focus, its not a justifiable reason for it to exist
@@superlucci This is like saying that Mylo and Claggor are bad characters that shouldn't exist just because we don't know anything about their backstory/little about their motivations, or that Silco and Vander's past is irrelevant because we don't know what specifically caused them to fight in the first place. Not trying to justify the "we left it open to interpretation" excuse that tends to accompany poor contextualisation and rushed development (and this issue is definitely present in S2), but it's extremely obvious that their reunion in the AU was intentionally left ambiguous, just like how we don't know if the letter would have changed anything at all.
I imagine it was a combination of Vi dying, Piltover possibly being more sympathetic to the Undercity due to her death, and alternate timeline Silco finding Vander's letter, that led to AT Silco being more receptive to change. Not sure what else happened in the alternate timeline that Ekko experienced, but it was enough for Silco to forgive Vander. My best guess is that Vander and Silco finally decided to sit down and had a heart-to-heart discussion, and worked to figure out the best way to improve the Undercity together. Plus, original timeline Heimerdinger did show up in the alternate timeline Heimerdinger's body a few years after Vi's death, so he likely also helped to move things along in uniting Piltover and Zaun.
That's actually a good point. People in Zaun, kids too, died there all the time. But it's a big difference when a Zaunite kid dies in PILTOVER. In Zaun the police can brush it off, cover it, a generally not deal with it. But when it happens in Piltover, for everyone to see - you can't cover it up. And it gets people to talking - why was there kids in the apartment? Is things in the undercity really that bad that KIDS need to steal and die doing so? That kind of attention would obligate the council for action. They'll realise that they have to fix the situation in Zaun, wether from the motivation of helping the need or just to regain the trust and likeability of the crowd. And when Piltover starts helping Zaun and fixing it, Silco's efforts become somewhat obsolete, and all that remains is his personal feud with Vander, and it's easier to heal when things are getting better. Now I still think the letter would've have fixed things, but I think their relationship was fixable nonetheless. And the existence of the letter isn't bad writing because it wouldn't have worked. The arcane writers are great.
I didn't interpret the scene as a literal, "this letter couldve fixed everything itself," but as an opening of dialogue, the first step to growth. Vander says he tried and couldve find Silco, and from how they talked in season 1, to me it seemed that they hadn't seen each other in a long time. I also think it was a combination or both personal gripes and ideological ones. Mainly, i dont think Silco lies to people he respects, and like you said, if he sees what Vander is doing as him lying to himself, i understand why he'd be mad. I just think, the letter couldve opened the door to the possibility of forgiveness, and the reality we see is just that, a possibility. That rage Silco feels didn't all come at once, it solidified over a long time, and getting to him before it solidified, i think that couldve caused a different outcome. But those are just my thoughts
It'd be somewhat in character for Jinx to assume that the letter would have changed Silco's mind, but she's looking at it through her own lens because she was abandoned in very different circumstances and Vi came looking for her because of sisterly love. Jinx is naive and not that observant when it comes to people, because she's plagued by trauma and distrust to make a good assessment on people. Silco would have been more pissed off by this letter, because ultimately, like you said, it's about clash of visions, not personal gripes and he'd look at the letter as the admission of compromise which is something he won't do.
@@Sizifus I’m fine with jinx saying it would fixed everything. I’m not ok with Vi of all people agreeing with her . And I’m more than not ok with the writers thinking Silco would agree with her .
Silco wasn't mad at Vander for trying to kill him. He was mad at Vander for pussying out after the cops showed up. I like the letter. Silco deserves an apology. But it changes nothing. You kind of can't decide for people what lesson they end up taking away from their experience.
My head canon is that AU Silco changed his mind afther seen little Powder craing her eyes out and make him cuestion if it was really wort it to be angri al the time.
I dont know why you jump into the conclussion that is the letter what CHANGES IT ALL, when in the show its not even mentioned, its clear is a sump up of things being different, the most important ones Hextech not being invented, and Heimerdinger living with his eyes open and trying to make a real difference between topside and bottom this time, which he succeded. All of that with more butterfly effects plus the letter its more than reasonable. If half of the s2 haters used the brain a little more, there would be still a lot of haters but the conversations would be better.
@@kienErenYKeHacesEnMikasa because a SIGNIFICANT amount of people believe that this letter ALONE would change everything. Obviously wayyyy more went into why the alternative universe worked but many people think the letter ALONE would have changed it . I’m jumping to a conclusion based off of an opposing jump .
@@Constantine_James Well then I think we agree!! Must have missinterpret the reasoning of your video. He said it himself in season 1, he wouldn´t have stopped at nothing if the undercity was going to be keeping oppresed, but if somehow that would change..
Because writers don't highlight anything else, they don't tell any more details on why they suddenly are friends now. They just put it in as a fact without adressing the resoulution. The only thing we as the audience know about possible reasons behind their miraculous reunion by the E7 is that: A) Vander wrote Silco the apology latter B) Vi dies in AU However none of that is of any good on explaining why Silco suddenly does 180* on his philosophy on goes "good" again. Basically writers bringing both the Silco reunioun and that letter is to emotionally bait the audience into feeling things with a very cheap trick and also encourage fanbase to tweet like crazies on these two "vital" details. Oh, and another thing for their reunioun is probably to conviniently explain why Ekko suddenly chooses to forgive his *Jinx*, that something-something killed dozens of his people and who knows who else while working for Silco and helping him establish his "Enterprise". Have no idea how anyone can enjoy the writing quality of this season, but apperantly there must be people with rather low standarts for guys in suits to make their profits of
@@Kantorek17 You haven´t read my 2 comments here or what? It´s pretty clear why SIlco changed his approach I won´t repeat myself; and NO, the writers don´t have to highlight anything else, there´s enough context and details in the episode to know why Silco would change as I said. You are criticising something that I value and is that the show doesn´t treat us like fools and expects we use our brains, which looks it failed there because you didnt.
Tbf I thought that Vander primarily tried to kill Silco out of rage from the death of Vi and Powder's mother, seeing that as a result of Silco. Silco perhaps then started hardening himself emotionally and rationalising that betrayal as something respectable much later after. So maybe he would've forgiven Vander if he found the note early on, before he properly become a villain. Or possibly in the alternate universe, after Vi's death from the hextech crystals, which led to the discontinuation of hextech research and a deeper interest in improving the conditions in and relations with the Undercity, maybe Silco softened and forgave Vander then. Also maybe not though I admit that's harder to believe.
Did you guys really miss HEXTECH not being invented in 207? Silco turned dark because he feels betrayed by Vander yet still respects him. Despite everything that happened in past, in 103, he is eager to join hands with Vander. Because his ultimate goal is Nation of Zaun. SIlco found the letter, thus he did not feel the need to become a drug lord with his crime syndicate. Hextech was never invented, hence Topside did not totally abandon the undercity. Silco didn't have to forgive Vander immediate, instead of battling, Silco and Vander simply cooperated with Topside. Worked together with Topside. In that process they might have reconciled. Silco didn't mind working with Marcus (a cop) as long as it fits his aim, right? Vander, too, had no problem working with Greyson (a cop) as long as it kept his people secure. Writers really mapped out everything properly. We just have to look deep enough! They planned out the entire storyline and arcs even before Season 1 began production!! LOL
You. You get it. I've been trying to make it work. Because that's how my brain works, and as is. The letter wouldn't be enough. I'd get them talking, mostly about how insulted Silco is. Unless Vander gets his fire back and fights for Zaun, he won't get Silco on his side. Its as simple as that But....but. let's say when Vi died, Vander understands Silco's point of view. He learns that appeasing the Topsiders is just dedicating his people to a slow death. that being "one of the good ones" didn’t protect his daughter from being treated as just some Undercity filth Well...I think that angle can work. Silco could work with that. And if we must make it two sided, Silco eventually bonds with the kids, and learns what it means to have someone you need to protect. They find the middle ground
I don't believe that Silco has any beef beyond pure power play. His decision to take out Vander is purely strategic, and he seems to think that the reason they couldn't finish the job together before is because they were outgunned by Piltover. He understands that Vander couldn't commit fully to a revolution. The thing that caused him to lose respect in his own words was breaking bread with Piltover, playing lapdog when he has so much sway in the undercity. If Vander has influence, some of the undercity is split in favor of peace, weakening Silco's revolution. This is why he offers Vander to fight with him. They have shimmer now in large supply, and Piltover has no countermeasures. But Vander isn't just cooperating with Piltover for no reason. He needs peace so he can raise his children. That was the ultimate purpose of his abandoning the fight (and making Vi an obligation via the flashback with Vi's mom cheapens this choice btw). He's not going to start another war to make another batch of orphans. And everyone saying it was Vi's death that healed relations between Silco and Vander needs to closely examine what consequences this actually entails. A laner is killed in an accident in Piltover, with the remaining laners present at the scene clearly escaping (considering none of them seem to have done time). Vi dying in this situation likely only means that Hextech is severely slowed or prevented entirely, it does nothing to change the level of aggression that Piltover's council would have in response to a perceived violation of the status quo. It does nothing to change Marcus's actions, which gives Silco an information advantage against Vander. The only thing that changes for Silco is it likely takes him a little bit longer to realize Vander is in trouble directly, since there would never be a fight with Deckard. If anything, Vi's death guarantees Silco's plan comes to fruition since Powder never destroys Silco's shimmer operation at the cannery. Vi dying is the best case scenario for Silco, and everything remains the same for Vander, except he potentially puts himself in Stillwater to cover for his children. Season 1's plot is very tightly knitted with character's actions. That's part of why it's so well written. Silco just deciding he doesn't have beef with Piltover anymore because Vander said sorry uwu is not a reality that functions alongside Season 1's story.
But there's more you didn't consider. For instance, at the end of ep1 Silco says "our timeline has moved up" and that's after Deckard told him what happened. All of Silco's actions in arc 1 stem from the kids being of the run. I think if Vi dies, Silco would stay in the shadows, take more time to develop his plan, and in the meantime, Piltover would start helping Zaun, after seeing what happened, making Silco's plans somewhat obsolete.
@itaiharshoshanim-ib6kp his plan moved up because he realized Vander is in trouble. This does not change if Vi dies, there are 3 more children at the scene.
@@eainjones9509 That's right, but I don't think Vander necessary would be in trouble. I mean think about it. At arc one, it was some undercity kids sneaking into an apartment, causing and explosion and fleeing the scene. That's how the narrative goes. That would cause people to be more scared and antagonistic against people from the undercity, which would cause Piltover to search relentlessly for the kids, which would make Vander in trouble. In ep7, it's not that. It's undercity kids sneaking into an apartment and dying in and accidental explosion. The youngest kid is about 9 years old. The kids were not the cause of that explosion. THAT'S the narrative is that universe. I imagine more people would be sympathetic towards those kids, and from that to the whole undercity. There's no reason to search for the kids because they already have them. And true, the broke into a house, but what would they do, send them to Stillwater? Under public's eye? Remember, everyone saw that explosion. I'm sure a tragic death of a kid would be all over the news. I think at the end, that event would cause the council to start think how could they fix things up for the undercity, realising how bad it went down there. That means Vander's not in trouble and Silco doesn't need to seize power. Now am I reading to much into it? Maybe. But is it far fetched? I don't think so, I think it can realistically happen.
@itaiharshoshanim-ib6kp I think the biggest leap in logic that you're making here is that Vi's death causes so much understanding and sympathy from Piltover that it totally changes the course of events, making Silcos plans moot due to cooperation. One kid from the undercity dying in an explosion is not going to change two centuries of oppression and class separation. It certainly isn't going to change Silco's mind, and it doesn't change how topsiders view the undercity. Marcus aims a gun at children who, as far as we are aware, killed nobody in an explosion that only happened because a topsider was using magical materials that were mishandled. Additionally, Grayson comes to Vander first. It's not a secret that the children are Vanders. The missing link is between Marcus and Silco, which doesn't need to exist if there's no Vander in the situation. People turn away from Vander and toward Silco (Sevika to name a specific character) because they see Vander as doing nothing to stop the topsiders from stomping through the lanes. The enforcers are violent, they throw people through windows for not giving up their own. Trenchers are subhuman to them, dirty, unclean, criminals every last one. A trencher dying during a heist only supports this belief, and if topsiders were injured during the same incident (per Grayson's words) that sympathy is not going to be extended. Vi's death primarily changes what information people have, and it prevents Vander from being killed at best, but the rest of it is all driven by Marcus and the Council, with Silco soon to follow.
@@eainjones9509 I don't think so, because it's one kid dying in Piltover, not in Zaun. When it's in Zaun, it's easy for people to ignore and not pay attention. When it's your neighbourhood, your city, when it's under your nose, it forces you to confront the situation. We know Piltover hosts good people. Good citizens. But they've become blind and naive. I think it would be real worldview shattering event. I think that overtime it would really change how Piltover treats the undercity. I also think you missed that, like, children couldn't have run away. In ep7, they stayed behind and the enforcers got a hold of them. Vander's not in trouble because enforcers aren't after him, and again, do you really think they would've sent the kids to Stillwater? At act 1, people where afraid of the kids who can cause explosions, afraid of magic, afraid of the kids getting away. At ep7, the kids died at the explosion which makes them seem way more vulnerable and not scary, magic is not on the table, and the kids didn't get away. So things wouldn't become worse for the undercity. People wouldn't leave Vander and Silco will just keep as he is. In ep7 there no trenchers. Remember that in act people didn't know that the people who robbed the place where kids. In ep7 everyone would know. I think you really underestimate how much sympathy does the death of a kid can cause. Even of you don't agree, I don't think you can call it a leap in logic.
also pissed me of that they were afraid to kill characters, its not like they will have more story to tell, its the end of the series- also jinx been good? then why tf did she sit on the chair and made the choice of leting powder go
@@Ariel4277gsc sure buddy, so the choice she made in the end of s1 had no importance? you can really see a tragic story how a "vilain" is born, just because shess a main character they made her good on the end. thats all that matters for most of people, that the characters they like turn out "good" in the end.. characters like Griffith are not understood. everyone have their propose on a history, villain or hero...😕 this has a name: inconsistency
Another missed point, unfortunate. Do you think the writers were saying "If Silco saw this letter he would have thrown away all of his conviction and then arcane would have turned into a Disney movie"? Or do you think they were saying "This mentally stunted traumatized character is compelled to delusionally grasp at the idea that everything could have been avoided due to her lack of understanding of the complexity and details which led to the Vander/Silco blow up" ? You mentioned that the writers believe the former, did they say that somewhere or are you inferring that was their intention by having Jinx say that? If this is the case, do you think that the writers which wrote everything leading up to this(even if only season 2 writers) would have genuinely believed this to be the case? I saw another comment mentioned that Amanda Overton said this, but, I haven't been able to find it when searching. It'd be extremely out of character for her to say this, but, I'd love to see it if it exists.
Fully agree. The letter absolutely ignores the unreconcilable ideological differences Silco and Vander possess. For all we know, Silco might've read this letter and just went to despise Vander even more. This letter and the Vander / Silco / Felicia flashback is just a terrible retcon and character assassination, all in attempt to squeeze out an emotional response.
the felicia flashback was great, there was a time where this two have the same ideology: war will make us free, it was seeing the consequences of war what make Vander a pacifist.
@@Deathfunnyguy But we already know there was a time they shared the same ideology. We know they were like brothers. But this flashback: 1. Undermined the impact of Vander's decision to abandon his ways on the bridge once he sees children mourning their dead parents (yes, as a leader, he would've known the people he'd lead, but not necessary this intimately). It was a big moment, now reduced to 'well, I made a promise'. 2. Silco in S1 behaves as he doesn't know the sisters personally. The big moment when he hugs Powder is due to him seeing Vander's body and feeling connection to her since she's abandoned by Vi, just like he was abandoned by Vander. 3. There's no way in S1E3, when the gang attempted to save Vander, Vander wouldn't have reminded Silco that Vi is Felicia's daughter in an attempt to save her.
@@dmitrigherson5160 the 3 point its pretty good, mayyybe he though that Silco dont care about them after he keeps the same ideology that killed Felicia. I think that Vander and Silco Knowing who are Vi and Powder makes the scenes better. Vanders war killed his best friend and left her children orphan, while Silco watching "the future" he promised defend repeat his history is what make him a girly dad
my best attempt to fix it (It's just a plot hole tho) is that Vi's death lead to Vander being ready to fight against Piltover (finally, once again) and Silco swooped in and offered an alliance and Shimmer, Topside gets scared and grants independence immediately (this was the original Silco's plan pretty much, before Hextech fucked it up)
@@StereoTunicFromMinecraft all the contrary, Vander didnt fight, the death of a zaunite child generate a lot of empathy on Piltover (Even Markus feels sorry for it) they started to see them as persons and finally started to do agreements
I don't believe that. I believe that Vander sucks at apologies. I think it gives him depth. I think the Arcane writers did a great thing doing this, and that shows how much they understand their story. Their story is about both ideals and and emotional rifts. It's simultaneous. And I do believe that while Vander apologies sucks, had they fix their rift, Silco would've accepted him dispite their differences, just like Jinx's and Vi's arc. The arcane writers are great.
Silco also does say that he eventual came to forgive Vander for what he did and we don't know how long that took so while it doesn't disprove this video it's another perspective you can look at.
You don't understand what their differences are. Their differences are opposed political roads, either you play lapdog for Piltover or you don't, there is no "I apologize for the betrayal let's find a middle ground on that" because there is no middle ground. The apology about the betrayal is just not the point, if you don't understand that then you didn't understand this video at all
@@StereoTunicFromMinecraft I do understand what their differences were. Vander believed the undercity needs fixing while Silco thinks it's already perfect and it just needs respect. Yes. But at the end of the day, those differences were there when they were still together. I just don't see how the facts that they have different beliefs would invoke Vander to kill Silco. I understand that this video tries to emphasize their ideological differences and lower the impact of the apology. I agree that THIS apology wouldn't have been enough. I just think it's more nuanced than apology vs ideology. I think that their relationship was fundamentally fixable.
I really hope you're being sarcastic, because if you are that's actually hilarious kudos to you! Though if you're completely serious that would be a pity upd: Nevermind, a pity it is
@@Kantorek17 After the words "if you're completely serious that" your massage is cut off for me, but yeah, I'm dead serious. The nuances of something is that just because it exists it doesn't warrant a specific thing. The existence of the letter doesn't mean it would have fixed things. And I think it wouldn't have. I think it's what the story tells us. What I think the story DOES tell us, is that Vander's and Silco's relationship was fundamentally fixable. Just like Vi's and Jinx's. That's what gives depth and drama to their story.
I don't doubt Jinx would think the letter would change things, but why would the writers? It wasn't personal, it was ideological I love ep7 but the letter thing was ass, Ekko didn't even need to be told about the power of forgiveness, Vi and Jayce forgave their partners and they were never told how awsome forgiveness is
Who said the writers think that? Did the writers come out and say so? No. So why do you treat it as a fact? They gave us a story that is up for interpretation. There's enough of us who got the impression that the story tells the letter wouldn't change things, so the possibility of a direct massage through the story is ruled out. Heck, the fact that there's a discussion about rules it out.
@itaiharshoshanim-ib6kp if the writers don't think the letter would’ve changed things, why did they write an episode where they show the letter changing things?
@@kaylaHat They wrote an episode where things are different. The only thing they tell us that changed is Vi's death. They don't tell us if Silco found the letter, and if it did, what were the effects. That's up for interpretation. It's not the writers coming out and saying it.
@@kaylaHat Yeah I've heard of it. And I gotta tell I really and honestly don't care. Like sure, yeah, the writer said it, but does it changes anything? It's like if JK Rowling would say tomorrow, that the King's cross scene with Harry and Dumbledore at the end if book 7, it was actually a parallel dimension and that it was really Dumbledore speaking to Harry using dark magic. Would it make it true? No! A thousand times no! She wrote a story and that story leaves it up for interpretation. So it's up to us to decide what's true and what's not.
Jinx is a nut head, she idealizes Silco as a father... even when he turns her into something terrible, his """perfection""" is a terrorist with no cause, she probably believes that he still have opportunity to redeem himself, even after making Zaun a living hell... Everything that happened in the other universe got some EXTREME political changes that make piltover fear hextech and feel empathy for Zaunites, that practically killed the idea of a war. When the hate that fedeed silco violent revolution just disappear he needed to change, he justo decide to do it for better
Silco never turned her into anything. Powder was already a violent child with psychopathic tendencies, we see it in how she eagerly watches hoping her nail bomb ends another child. Silco just nurtured her into being able to make her bombs work. Zaun was already a living hell before Silco took over, in fact we actually see more people struggling under Vander than we do under Silco. The industry Silco brought to Zaun not only gave the economy an evident boom but Shimmer is literally a miracle cure for almost any ailment, a fuel source and a steroid that made the people of Zaun so scared that enforcers could no longer just go in and abuse them whenever they wanted. The reason the alternate universe is different is likely because hextech was never invented to combat shimmer (we see shimmer in the alternate universe being used as a power source) so they were forced to give Zaun their independence. The idea that Piltover would just magically one day go "oh well my bad I guess we'll stop oppressing you now despite our economy relying on your oppression to make us richer" on their own is laughable.
@stuffynosepatrol did you forget the consecuenses of shimmer? It was that bad that Silco himself was traying to stop using it cuz he was an addic, chemtex (the power source of the other universe) its a LOT more volatile than hextech and its one of the signals that this universe its a los worse than what we see. Yes, powder was violent, but its literally part of the series how bad Jinx its, literally no one but Silco wants to be near to her, she killed her "father" in a psychotic attack and next to it she commited a terrorits attack, all because she believes that it was Silcos idea of revolution. Finally, piltover alredy wanted to Zaun go (the bald counselor give pro zaun ideas and Jayce almost give zaun their freedom) part of the problem its how a nation governed by a violent mob boss could affect them
@@Deathfunnyguy at what point did Silco try to stop using shimmer exactly? Also Silco wasn't a shimmer addict, he was using it as medicine for his eyes. I don't think he was addicted to stabbing himself in the retna. And yes shimmer has consequences if you use too much of it but so does literally every single medicine on the planet. Like is the dude who invented opium evil now because it can be addictive if used too much? No because it was originally meant to be a painkiller. In season 1 we actually see significantly more instances of shimmer being used as a medicine or as a weapon against oppression than we do as a drug. There is literally no meaningful difference between Jinx and Powder aside from Jinx's bombs actually work. Silco didn't manipulate Powder into becoming a terrorist, he didn't corrupt her into becoming a murderer, she ALWAYS had something wrong with her. Not sure what exactly Jinx killing Silco has to do with the conversation but it was Vi who triggered the psychotic episode and Silco who tried to get Vi to stop because she was putting all of them AND Jinx in danger with her own stupidity. What "pro-Zaun" ideas did Hoskel have? All I remember from him is him saying that shimmer and prosthetics for poor people are somehow negative "we've seen what they're capable of" in a terrified tone when talking about a terrorist attack. Jayce doesn't exist in the alternate universe and the chances of someone like Jayce coming along to fix all of their problems and not get corrupted by politics are absolutely improbably. It'd be like if American slaves and abolistionists didn't want to fight for their rights because there's a 0.0001% chance that maybe one day a morally pure politician will step up to fix all of their problems. That's just not how social issues are resolved. Major social issues, especially ones relating to the economy, usually have to be overturned violently. Piltover had hundreds of years to fix their relationship with Zaun and they didn't. Do you just expect the Zaunites to wait and pray that some miracle happens and that the councillors hearts grow 3 sizes larger some day or something?
@@stuffynosepatrol olvídalo, te lo diré en español, lo único en lo que podemos estar de acuerdo es que la revolución será violenta o no sera, pero no recuerdo que en las guerras abolicionista ningún gobierno le diera una droga super adictiva a sus soldados, o que mandaran a los niños a las fábricas a trabajar hasta morirá, Silco fue un no pensó en quienes permitía en su grupo y permitió el ascenso en poder de los chembarones, quienes tenían el poder sobre las minas, las prótesis LA JODIDA PRODUCCION DE SHIMMER, y eran capaces de sacarlo del poder, lo único que los detuvo de traicionar lo y terminar de volver a zaun en infierno 2.0 es Sevika ( y ni Silco creyó que se mantendría fiel ). En el universo alternativo podemos ver el ojo de Silco, esta igual, salvo por que no tiene la congrenación (efecto secundario del shimmer) y se nota que ya perdió el ojo para después del time skip, el único motivo por el que Silco se seguiría inyectando cantidades tan pequeñas de shimmer seria para evitar la abstinencia (especialmente por que en la primera temporada se ve que le afecta no tener sus dosis). La idea de que no es malo quien creo el medicamento tiene un problema, el shimmer no fue creado como medicamento, fue creado como esteroides por SINGRED a pedido de Silco, su uso medicinal es una muestra de que Silgred manipulaba a Silco. El motivo por el que piltover parece "aceptar" la libertad de Zaun es que no están ganando nada con ellos, eso es uno de los únicos grandes aciertos de Silco, Zaun no beneficia a Piltover. Es inegable que Silco amaba tanto a Jinx como a Zaun el problema es que era un hombre fuertemente herido que no se dio cuenta que, ni con el brillo, Zaun tenia chance de liberarse de piltover con violencia desemfocada, Sevika y (irónicamente) Jinx, supieron mejor como hacer atentados y movimientos anti piltover.
I kinda disagree with your conclusion. Jinx says they could've reconciled, a character in the show who is naive and hopeful. This isnt a higher power saying this so you are just wrong when you blame the arcane creators.
I’ll never forget when one of the Arcane creators said that season 2 will explore Vanders and Silcos relationship and how the girls are doomed to replicate it in a way. And I thought “Yes! Silco was wrong in the first season! He and Vander had entirely different worldviews and values at that point, but Powder and Vi were just children, struck by tragedy, wanting to reconnect, but seperated by forces outside their reach. Both of them are left with nothing at the end of season 1. Jinx shoots Silco, she now has the potential to think for herself, embrace chaos and anarchy, become the tragic villain she was supposed to be. Vi left prison maybe a week ago, only to find everything changed. Her old life doesn’t exist anymore. She has to carve out a way for herself, connect with the ambitious teenager she was in the first act of season 1. Become the hero Vander thought she could become, even if she has to join the side she feared her whole life. Their difference will be more complex, not only emotionally rich, but separated by ideologies. What a brilliant show!” And then we are left with this bullshit of a season. Implying the letter would solve anything is a crime. Making an alternate universe only for fanservice is an even bigger one.
It should be clear as fuck to anyone that they want us to believe the letter would be the fix of Vander and Silco's relationship, the way the scene is set up, the way Vi reacts, how she even reaches out her hand to touch Jinx wich is a clear parallel of "I could reconsile with my sister like Vander and Silco could". Then you have the AU scene where Silco says "the greatest thing we can do in life is find the power to forgive". The writers put that line in there for a reason, you'd have to be blind to not see what they are trying to tell you. If the showrunners wanted that letter to be ambigious and simply act as a tool to start Jinx and Vi's relationship healing arc then why put that AU Silco scene in. Furthermore it proves the writers genuinely believe saying sorry would fix the sister's relationship so it's bull either way. To top it all of we already got a better execution of that idea and it was in the last episode of Season 1. After being presented with Jayce's deal Silco finally understands why Vander betrayed his own convictions. In that moment he realised Jinx became more important to him than his ambitions just like Vi was for Vander. The reason it's far more nuanced and real is becuase Silco learns this by experiencing it first-hand. The idea that Vander could've just talked it out with Silco is insultingly childish in comparison, just fuck off with that actually. Stop excusing the writers for making dogshit decisions.
You literally make a strawman here. It's like a textbook example of a strawman. Jinx says "everything could have been different" And you say "No, the letter woudn't have made it a fairy tale world" Well Jinx didn't say it. You attack something that literally nobody said or implied. Hence a "strawman". The Powderverse is not (just) because of the letter. See "different" than "a certain misfortune" isn't paradise, world peace and all the riches in the world, but *just* NOT this certain misfortune. Perhaps another misfortune. Who knows.
If Silco read that letter and if they reconciled years ago, Silco would not be that obsessed with power and he would not create Shimmer with Singed among other things. They would both work together on creating better Zaun like they promiced to Felicia. Divided they both failed to do so.
@Constantine_James Because it is also what happened with Vi and Powder. Act of rage from both Vander and Vi is what changed Silco and Jinx ( then Powder). Both of them regretted it but, Silco never saw the letter - which left him thinking Vander never cared about what he did, and Vi was kidnapped and put in the prison - but Powder thought she left her. Silco said that he let a weak man die at the river and he became who he was because of what happened, just like Powder created her Jinx persona to cope with it all. Letter scene was also put there to draw paralels with Vi and Jinx situation. If Vi had time to apologize to Powder, things would have been different between them too.
@@anabrans2 This happens a lot in season 2, you can draw all the parallels that you want but they are different characters at the end of the day, what happens between vi and powder was a personal thing, the thing with silco and vander is more political and ideological. Its more complex than that, thats why silco is able to do something like kill vander and even try to kill the children he protects, meanwhile jinx is unable to actually kill vi or cait. The writers just bring back symbols that mean something to the audience so they make it make sense in their head without actually writing a proper explanation.
@@itaiharshoshanim-ib6kp Maybe not the letter but dont you think that making silco part of the life of vi and powder from the start in season 2 affects the characterization of silco from the first season in an incredible bad way?. I mean they are not some random kids anymore, he was close to their mother, he and vander fighted for Zaun with them in mind, like wtf.
I think you're downplaying the influence of at least two other, pretty important differences between the timelines. First, Vi's death seemed to spark empathy or pity for the Zaunites, rather than disdain or hostility, in Enforcers like Marcus. Silco would see or hear about that. Especially because Vi was the kid Felicia had him promise to help Zaun on, that could prompt him to seek out Vander to make amends. And because Vander felt enough to write the letter, he wouldn't turn Silco down if he did. Even if you don't buy the emotional change at this point, Marcus was Silco's key to the Enforcers because he was the deputy. His plans would be set back massively, if not ground to a halt, without being able to buy the sheriff's office. Second, while we don't know when the council first responded, we know Heimerdinger spent years working with Powder and the other kids to cultivate progress by them, for Zaun. Silco would have to be absolutely deranged to keep fighting, when the essential head of Piltover has turned a helping hand to Zaun's upcoming scientists. He'd have no support. Singed would probably just vanish to avoid Heimerdinger. So I think you're right, that the letter doesn't matter to Vander and Silco's parallel future. The sentiment behind it does. The letter itself matters to Jinx.
The idea that Silco would heave forgiven Vander after an apology letter that said “I’m sorry uwu” is insane
The video fails to consider that many more things went differently than in the prime timeline besides the letter. We lack all context. The AU may have had Silco make decisions prior that made him less radical person than we know.
@@Vario69 the whole “multiverse” plot introduced in Arcane is terrible and drags the series down to Marvel level of storytelling. So honestly I don’t want to even consider the possibility of “Silco from a different time-line might heave done this or that” it’s just too painfully sad thinking what Arcane has become; season 2 killed the story crafted in season 1 the moment it started
@grAnita- multiverses can be great, marvel did it awful but it can be great, putting multiverse down cuz the bad use of it is like putting super heroes or space travel as something inherent bad
@ can be, but most of the time is not. That’s because it erases any real stake and adds a whole new bunch of convoluted rules to the story, drift in the main characters and plots in to oblivion. Arcane is a fantasy setting, we already heave magic. Why the heck adding the multiverse and time travel into the story, especially when it’s too late to expand them
@grAnita- time travel and multiverses come from LOL, but i still get your point about how late it was implement, but i dont think it erase the stakes, it only shows you how it could your world if things just... where different
Amanda Overton, the lead writer for episode 2x7, introduced it by saying that it was the world where Silco found the letter and so things ended up better.
I think the creators just wanted a fanservice-y episode and that was the fig-leaf they used to justify everything being better. Season 2 showed a profound disinterest in the relationship and history between Piltover and Zaun, and that impacted their portrayal of Vander and Silco.
I didn't see the think that you're saying, but nonetheless, I disagree with you. This episode is soooo deep. This fun service argument is really stupid. Fun service would be Caitlyn saying "league of legends". Fun service would be having no story. But there is a story, a very deep one. It just takes time to breath instead of cramp anything like the rest of the arc.
You are simply absolutely categorically correct in this analysis. And kudos to you for doing it in 3 minutes and change instead of dragging it out over 10 minutes.
S2 is just one big mess of a story, that tries its hardest to unload big, emotionally charged moment at every turn, without having the patience to actually build up anything
YES. It whould have been sooooo much better if there was build up to that which happened. I whould still say its beutifull, nice mess of many condensed stories. Season 2 was way to fast to portray the character development properly.
Thats the thing, people say its a great show because it plays with their emotion, and many people cant see through that there is nothing behind these emotions, no story, just things happening for random reasons.
I actually disagree. It's not that they didn't have the patience to build it up, they didn't have the time. Because on paper, every works great, the story, the moments. But still most of us came out with an empty feeling, and I suspect it is because we didn't feel like the show earned to have those moments.
Honestly man, I went into this review thinking you were gonna be wrong, but I gotta admit, I don't have a single rebuttle for anything you've brought up. You've convinced me, and it's a shame because the similarities and differences between Silco and Vander are one of my favorite things about their respective characters
The only good thing about Vander's letter is his handwriting.
I somehat agree.
Jinx's assertion is just her speculation, from her point of view of what she knows. On the one hand, she knew post-breakup Silco better than anyone, so perhaps she is correct.
On the other hand, I personally beleive the point of the letter was to show us that Vander had an open invitation to put the past behind for both of them and make amends. All Silco had to do was approach Vander. We dont know any of the events that took place in this world between the death of Vi and what we see in S2 E7, so we have no idea when, why or how Silco approached Vander.
Maybe Silco's point of no return was when Vander died. Any empathy and possibility of redemption died with Vander, Silco's only choice was to move on and fight for what he believed was best for Zaun because he was quite literally alone, all his friends and family were dead and he only had Jinx. In a world where Silco finds Vander mourning Vi's death, maybe he feels a little bit of compassion for him and approaches, allowing for a reconciliation which may eventually lead to them resolving their differences and deciding Zaun is better off with the two of them taking care of it together.
@may_ryann "Point of no return" that is an excellent observation. Before silco kills Vander he is still obsessed with his dream of Zaun. After he believes Vander to be dead, instead of Zaun he simply creates an organized crime version of Piltover in the undercity. I can't believe this was any version of his younger self's dream. Zaun only becomes a possibilty again when Jayce proposes a meeting, and Silco makes overreaching demands as if to say he tried. I think he was truly shocked when Jayce said he would accept them, making his former dream a possibility at the same time his empire was crumbling around him. This must have made the temptation to give up Jinx even stronger, and his decision to choose not too even more difficult.
It's as if he can't make THEIR dream a reality without Vander. Vander can't make it alone and neither can Silco. But together they could make it happen. I love it.
I dont beleve that parallel reality was because he found the letter, but because Vi died
Silco reapected Vander for his guts to do whatever it takes to defend his cause (in the past).
In ep 1 of arcane, Silco was in the shadow, "knowing" Vander wasnt fighting for the the cause, he was "just" managing everything and been "to coward" to fight for a change
All the quotation marks i put was true in Silco eyes in ep 1 and he understand he was wrong at the end, when he was in vander position and needed to hand Jynx over piltover
His main emotion about Vander was disappointment.
At same time, his disappoinrment and anger comes from the love and respect he had for Vander and his family.
Joining everything, in the parallel universe when Vi died, Vander understand his responsability and guilty over the incident.
Silco must expect Vander fall, but no, his responsability to be strong for powder, mylo and claggor made him stand up and swallow every tear.
Silco respect this guts, Silco could also loved Vi because he was(?) a uncle of Vi too, and maybe he could see Vander managing his emotions and his respinsabilities over Vi loss better than him.
And than, in that moment, Silco is open to receive the letter (and just than the letter could make a difference)
That is my opinion, my view over this scenario.
Absolute agree with this
and it's so annoying because Vander DOES apologize to Silco... "I've never forgiven myself for what I did to you." And Silco's like don't worry buddy, I know :) You still gotta die.
After reading some more comments, I've come by a really good point:
People in Zaun, kids too, died there all the time. But it's a big difference when a Zaunite kid dies in PILTOVER. In Zaun the police can brush it off, cover it, a generally not deal with it. But when it happens in Piltover, for everyone to see - you can't cover it up. And it gets people to talking - why was there kids in the apartment? Is things in the undercity really that bad that KIDS need to steal and die doing so? That kind of attention would obligate the council for action. They'll realise that they have to fix the situation in Zaun, wether from the motivation of helping the need or just to regain the trust and likeability of the crowd. And when Piltover starts helping Zaun and fixing it, Silco's efforts become somewhat obsolete, and all that remains is his personal feud with Vander, and it's easier to heal when things are getting better. Now I still think the letter would've have fixed things, but I think their relationship was fixable nonetheless. And the existence of the letter isn't bad writing because it wouldn't have worked.
The arcane writers are great.
I agree. That universe of Silco was character assassination
what else could he do? fight piltover be himself? Piltover and Zaun stoped hating each other, his violent revolution has no place or reason in this world
@@DeathfunnyguyI really don't think that Piltover just one day decided to stop oppressing Zaun on their own, that's not how systemic issues get resolved. Silco and Vander teaming up was probably what brought social change between both cities. It would be out of character for Silco to just fall back in with Vander after the systemic issues are resolved because that would basically be submitting to Vander and admitting he was wrong.
@@stuffynosepatrol Unless Councilor Heimerdinger randomly started pushing for reforms in Piltover following a radical change of heart roughly four years post-Vi.
Also in fairness, there's a difference between "not wanting someone dead" and "completely falling in line with that someone's plans". It was probably closer to a nonaggression agreement at first, before changes topside allowed that to move into a full partnership.
@@K2niarDneK Heimerdinger's change of mind probably did play a part in it but he couldn't do it alone. He tried to go against the council in season 1 and he got outvoted and kicked out for it. If the other councillors didn't have other reasons to agree with Heimerdinger then Heimerdinger's change of heart wouldn't do anything because he could always be over-ruled. There had to be a reason behind the councillors agreeing to stop oppressing Zaun.
If Piltover just randomly decided to start being nice to Zaun for no reason then Silco would likely see joining Vander as an admission that his ideas of violent rebellion were wrong and his brother who betrayed and maimed him was right. I don't think Silco would ever admit that and just be all buddy buddy with Vander. No, I think Vander losing Vi lead to him joining up with Silco, the Hound and Shimmer intimidated the councillors into agreeing to give Zaun rights after a persistent campaign from Heimerdinger brought the idea to the table.
@@stuffynosepatrol Wall of text incoming because I love over-analyzing 'What If?' scenarios.
*Short Version:*
Most of the Council's serious issues with the Undercity come from either Powder theft of the Hex-Crystals or Jinx's theft of the Hex-Gem or Jinx's attack on the Council Building; a few are neutral but sympathetic, most of them are either purely neutral and a few are just dismissive. With the invention of Hex-Tech averted, there's no reason for the AU!Council to explicitly _dislike_ the AU!Undercity and AU!Zaunites.
Most of the Council's issues with Heimerdinger come from Councilor Jayce fostering corruption regarding the Hex-Gates and Hex-Tech investments. Without AU!Jayce either dead, banished or imprisoned (because his experiments killed two children and possibly himself), there's no reason for the AU!Council to forcibly retire AU!Heimer before Prime!Heimer arrives, and no reason for most of them to staunchly oppose Prime!Heimer when he tries to push for change, assuming he words his arguments correctly.
All of this resulting in making Prime!Heimer's goal of reforming the two cities when he arrives significantly easier. Not exactly _easy,_ per se, but definitely a lot _easier._
*Long Version:*
Heimer was kicked out because of Jayce. When the show started, Heimer was arguably the most influential Councilor outside of maybe Mel (because she's just politically smarter than everyone else on the Council). He _was_ explicitly mentioned in 1x2 as the Head of the Council by Viktor, and his suggestion for a lesser sentencing was the only reason Jayce wasn't banished when his lab exploded in the main timeline.
With AU!Jayce's experiments killing two children (because according to World of God, AU!Cait was also caught in the blast), there would be no reason for AU!Heimer to try and persuade the AU!Countil to take pity on AU!Jayce, assuming AU!Jayce himself even survived the explosion. Without AU!Jayce on the Council skewing the priorities of the other AU!Councilors with behind-the-scenes deals regarding Hex-Tech and trade privileges, AU!Heimer likely remains relatively unchallenged as the Head of the Council.
Shoola and Cassandra already seemed to be somewhat sympathetic to the plight of the Undercity (Shoola was the one to mention that Zaunites were still Piltover's people, Cassandra was willing to schedule an audience with the Council for Vi and Cait, and either Cassandra herself or her predecessor designed the Gray Ventilation System) Mel was always willing to take business risks if she thought it would be societally and financially beneficial going forward, and Bolbok seemed relatively neutral to the Undercity outside of being incredibly focused on the recovery of the Hex-Crystals and Hex-Gem (which, given his race was apparently nearly-destroyed by Magic, was a relatively warranted focus).
Prime!Heimer, when he arrives and starts working, could probably sway AU!Cassandra and AU!Shoola to his side relatively easily regarding Undercity/Zaun reforms, AU!Mel would undoubtedly see fixing the Undercity as a worthwhile investment for both societal stability and financial profitability, AU!Bolbok has no reason to be afraid of the Undercity or its people without the threat of magic, and if AU!Mel is on board then probably so is AU!Hoskel (given what we saw in 1x2, AU!Mel probably has him in her pocket).
All that leaves is AU!Salo, and with Piltover seemingly not having a veto system, his single vote against it wouldn't mean anything even if he couldn't be convinced by Prime!Heimer. And given his obsession with his public perception, he might not even vote against it for fear of looking extremely bad even if he does personally disagree with it.
It took Silco 7 years to change his views. And it was because of Jinx and becoming her father. Do people really think one letter would change him this fundamentaly?
No. Neither does the show.
Maybe he forgives vander in the alternate universe only because Vi dies, because I really think he finds the letter but just got more anger and didnt forgive him
The letter wasnt meant for Silco, at least not the one we see in act 1. It was meant for a younger Silco who hadnt spent years planning and building his hatred up for Vander and Piltover to make himself stronger.
that's very nice point!
I agree. I didn't think of that. I still believe the letter was a bad apology, but maybe younger Silco would've accepted it. Or in the words of Jinx, "might".
I don't think its a flaw from the writers I think its more characterization for Vander. He tries to apologize to Silco for what he did face to face too. Vander has a fundamental misunderstanding of why Silco takes the path he does. Vi and Jinx thinking it could have changed things shows they don't understand important things about the failed revolution when they were kids.
I would agree with you if it weren't for the AU. they don't say it's because of the letter but it's heavily implied. Like yeah you could make your fan theories about what actually happened and all that, but if you ask the average viewer they're gonna tell you it's because of the letter, and that's because that's what the show pointed us to.
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Whole AU plot doesn't make sense if closely considered tbh. Like if the only difference is that Vi dies at the very beginning, there's still a mass production of shimmer intact and going and Silco plotting behind Vander's back. If anything Vi being dead and the kids getting captured should be a vital opportunity for Silco to give Vander and his rule over Zaun a fatal strike. Basically even with Vi dead Silco still overthows Vander and creates his so called Enterprise. There's no way he's stopping right in the middle of that
@@Kantorek17no because now topside councilors and the enforcers are paying more attention to the undercity
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That's because...?
@@Kantorek17 cause the kids were caught and vi died
It was probably Vi's death that brought the pair together. Either because Vander went to Silco realising his error, that he cant protect everyone by laying down and not trying to fight against oppression, or because Silco chose to approach Vander to help him through the hard time. Then together with the help of shimmer, which would have been finished by then, they could intimidate Piltover into giving them their rights since Piltover didnt have hextech to combat shimmer.
I don't believe for one second that Silco would go to Vander because Vi died. He himself tried to kill them
@@6Kubik 1) Silco respects Vander and he was close to Vi's mother. Even if he tried to kill Vander's kids for political reasons, that doesn't mean he hated the kids nor does it mean that he would never reach out to Vander to help him grieve.
2) You seriously don't believe that Silco wouldn't jump at the opportunity to manipulate Vander's rage and grief into helping him rebel against Piltover?
That's actually a good point. People in Zaun, kids too, died there all the time. But it's a big difference when a Zaunite kid dies in PILTOVER. In Zaun the police can brush it off, cover it, a generally not deal with it. But when it happens in Piltover, for everyone to see - you can't cover it up. And it gets people to talking - why was there kids in the apartment? Is things in the undercity really that bad that KIDS need to steal and die doing so? That kind of attention would obligate the council for action. They'll realise that they have to fix the situation in Zaun, wether from the motivation of helping the need or just to regain the trust and likeability of the crowd. And when Piltover starts helping Zaun and fixing it, Silco's efforts become somewhat obsolete, and all that remains is his personal feud with Vander, and it's easier to heal when things are getting better. Now I still think the letter would've have fixed things, but I think their relationship was fixable nonetheless. And the existence of the letter isn't bad writing because it wouldn't have worked.
The arcane writers are great.
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Urm, yeah, because who says that would've happened?
@@itaiharshoshanim-ib6kp I don't quite agree because it would still be pretty easy for the Piltovan council to cover up Vi's death. They could say that it was a failed robbery attempt to steal weaponry from the apartment or that they were just stealing because they wanted to steal (unfortunately a common sentiment even in the real world). Governments can always flip an issue around if need be. I don't think one dead child would be enough to force the council to change on its own.
But that does bring up the fact that the council covering up Vi's death may have pushed Vander over the edge and lead him back to violent rebellion.
In real life just sitting back and waiting for change to happen doesn't actually work. Every single major social advancement in human rights has come at the cost of war, even if big companies and world governments don't want to acknowledge that for obvious reasons.
I agree a letter ain’t gonna change betrayal and rivalry like that. Plus who wants to see them unite there rivalry was perfect and it was supposed to be reborn in vi and jinx
Bro it's not impossible for someone to forgive a longtime friend even after bad blood between eachother. Yall are so crazy in these comments it's like you don't think people can change at all.
What do you mean who wants them to unite? That's the where whole drama comes from, from that desire. Do you know everything about storytelling at all?
Are we forgetting that the person that made that statement is the most clinically unstable character in the show?
Just because Jinx would have liked it to go that way doesn't mean that's what would have happened
I'm pretty sure it isnt supposed to be THE LETTER, but what would happen if he actually went to see Vander like he asked in the letter. In person would be what WOULD change things.
The divergence between Vander and Silco was not something that could have been resolved by talking it out. They had different ideals, different political beliefs, it was not the betrayal the problem, it was Vander's whole ideology. Them meeting would not have changed things.
Arcane S2 writers would like you to believe all problems can be solved through the power of love, because otherwise they would have to show that it is class struggle that leads actual change.
That's complete bolocks. The very reason Silco had distain towards Vander is, as he said himself, the fact that he was willing to work with the enforcers. In Silco's eyes he was weak and without actual conviction to the cause. Showing more weakness wouldn't help anything other than Silco dispising Vander even more.
Their conflict as vague as it was in season 1 was clearly not over Vander trying to kill Silco. That was merely the consequences of a rift between them that was already present, it was over ideals and worldview. Silco was too radical for even Vander before he walked away from the path of violence.
Vander never forgave himself for tring to kill Silco but Silco forgave him quite easily with some time, because though their methods differed what Vander did was still for Zaun. In short Silco respected Vander even after he tried to kill him, because it was out of conviction. When Vander started working with the enforcers is when Silco put in motions his own plans.
So no. Letter or in person wouldn't change a squat other than Vander dying a lot earlier
Nuh uh, considering the complicated history and differences between those characters there's no way Silco would even think about going to Vander. In fact this letter would get Silco even more pissed off about Vander exclaiming: "To hell with that" after reading it
Not possible, period. Only in some AU if their established story is completely rewritten into something else
The letter isnt the sole reason that the alternate timeline turned out how it did it was a domino effect of multiple changes to the timeline that made it turn out so different. The letter is just one part of it.
How do they not only mess up season 2 but also try and chnsge things from s1 for worse too 😂
The video fails to consider that many more things went differently than in the prime timeline besides the letter. We lack all context. The AU may have had Silco make decisions prior that made him less radical person than we know.
But yes, i agree, the letter wouldn't change anything. Just that it doesn't mean the writing is bad (rather misleading at that particular moment), because the letter isn't everything.
"Misleading writing" for no reason at all is bad writing
"We lack context"
And that's the problem. You can't get subtext with no text.
We really don't need context on why AU Silco REALLY becomes good. It's not the focus of that story, the focus of the story is Ekko.
Besides it's on a scope of a whole another fucking spinoff just to fully explore why that AU is the way it is...
But hey, everything is bad writing if you're going in bad faith.
@@Vario69 Dude you cant have your cake and eat it too.
You cant on the one hand state "Its AU, we dont know what happened, therefore cant criticize" but then on the other hand say "We dont need context, its not the focus"
If its not the focus, dont bullshit your way by saying its good writing because its never explained. Dont say its never explained because its not the focus. If its not the focus, its not a justifiable reason for it to exist
@@superlucci This is like saying that Mylo and Claggor are bad characters that shouldn't exist just because we don't know anything about their backstory/little about their motivations, or that Silco and Vander's past is irrelevant because we don't know what specifically caused them to fight in the first place. Not trying to justify the "we left it open to interpretation" excuse that tends to accompany poor contextualisation and rushed development (and this issue is definitely present in S2), but it's extremely obvious that their reunion in the AU was intentionally left ambiguous, just like how we don't know if the letter would have changed anything at all.
more things probably happened in the AU in order to change Silco's mind, it most definitely wasn't just the letter
But there is one thing - in the first season, Vander regrets what he did to Silko.
Thank you for saying this.
Not enough people were.
Can we just say that Jinx was saying “MIGHT” and not will. This isn’t terrible writing it’s just Jinx misunderstanding.
I imagine it was a combination of Vi dying, Piltover possibly being more sympathetic to the Undercity due to her death, and alternate timeline Silco finding Vander's letter, that led to AT Silco being more receptive to change. Not sure what else happened in the alternate timeline that Ekko experienced, but it was enough for Silco to forgive Vander. My best guess is that Vander and Silco finally decided to sit down and had a heart-to-heart discussion, and worked to figure out the best way to improve the Undercity together.
Plus, original timeline Heimerdinger did show up in the alternate timeline Heimerdinger's body a few years after Vi's death, so he likely also helped to move things along in uniting Piltover and Zaun.
That's actually a good point. People in Zaun, kids too, died there all the time. But it's a big difference when a Zaunite kid dies in PILTOVER. In Zaun the police can brush it off, cover it, a generally not deal with it. But when it happens in Piltover, for everyone to see - you can't cover it up. And it gets people to talking - why was there kids in the apartment? Is things in the undercity really that bad that KIDS need to steal and die doing so? That kind of attention would obligate the council for action. They'll realise that they have to fix the situation in Zaun, wether from the motivation of helping the need or just to regain the trust and likeability of the crowd. And when Piltover starts helping Zaun and fixing it, Silco's efforts become somewhat obsolete, and all that remains is his personal feud with Vander, and it's easier to heal when things are getting better. Now I still think the letter would've have fixed things, but I think their relationship was fixable nonetheless. And the existence of the letter isn't bad writing because it wouldn't have worked.
The arcane writers are great.
I didn't interpret the scene as a literal, "this letter couldve fixed everything itself," but as an opening of dialogue, the first step to growth. Vander says he tried and couldve find Silco, and from how they talked in season 1, to me it seemed that they hadn't seen each other in a long time. I also think it was a combination or both personal gripes and ideological ones. Mainly, i dont think Silco lies to people he respects, and like you said, if he sees what Vander is doing as him lying to himself, i understand why he'd be mad. I just think, the letter couldve opened the door to the possibility of forgiveness, and the reality we see is just that, a possibility. That rage Silco feels didn't all come at once, it solidified over a long time, and getting to him before it solidified, i think that couldve caused a different outcome.
But those are just my thoughts
It'd be somewhat in character for Jinx to assume that the letter would have changed Silco's mind, but she's looking at it through her own lens because she was abandoned in very different circumstances and Vi came looking for her because of sisterly love. Jinx is naive and not that observant when it comes to people, because she's plagued by trauma and distrust to make a good assessment on people.
Silco would have been more pissed off by this letter, because ultimately, like you said, it's about clash of visions, not personal gripes and he'd look at the letter as the admission of compromise which is something he won't do.
@@Sizifus I’m fine with jinx saying it would fixed everything. I’m not ok with Vi of all people agreeing with her . And I’m more than not ok with the writers thinking Silco would agree with her .
@@Constantine_James
The writers didn't say Silco agree with her. They let us a story, which is up for interpretation.
Silco wasn't mad at Vander for trying to kill him. He was mad at Vander for pussying out after the cops showed up. I like the letter. Silco deserves an apology. But it changes nothing. You kind of can't decide for people what lesson they end up taking away from their experience.
My head canon is that AU Silco changed his mind afther seen little Powder craing her eyes out and make him cuestion if it was really wort it to be angri al the time.
I dont know why you jump into the conclussion that is the letter what CHANGES IT ALL, when in the show its not even mentioned, its clear is a sump up of things being different, the most important ones Hextech not being invented, and Heimerdinger living with his eyes open and trying to make a real difference between topside and bottom this time, which he succeded. All of that with more butterfly effects plus the letter its more than reasonable. If half of the s2 haters used the brain a little more, there would be still a lot of haters but the conversations would be better.
@@kienErenYKeHacesEnMikasa because a SIGNIFICANT amount of people believe that this letter ALONE would change everything. Obviously wayyyy more went into why the alternative universe worked but many people think the letter ALONE would have changed it . I’m jumping to a conclusion based off of an opposing jump .
@@Constantine_James Well then I think we agree!! Must have missinterpret the reasoning of your video. He said it himself in season 1, he wouldn´t have stopped at nothing if the undercity was going to be keeping oppresed, but if somehow that would change..
@ a lot of people took my vid out of context but maybe it was my fault tbh .
Because writers don't highlight anything else, they don't tell any more details on why they suddenly are friends now. They just put it in as a fact without adressing the resoulution. The only thing we as the audience know about possible reasons behind their miraculous reunion by the E7 is that:
A) Vander wrote Silco the apology latter
B) Vi dies in AU
However none of that is of any good on explaining why Silco suddenly does 180* on his philosophy on goes "good" again. Basically writers bringing both the Silco reunioun and that letter is to emotionally bait the audience into feeling things with a very cheap trick and also encourage fanbase to tweet like crazies on these two "vital" details.
Oh, and another thing for their reunioun is probably to conviniently explain why Ekko suddenly chooses to forgive his *Jinx*, that something-something killed dozens of his people and who knows who else while working for Silco and helping him establish his "Enterprise". Have no idea how anyone can enjoy the writing quality of this season, but apperantly there must be people with rather low standarts for guys in suits to make their profits of
@@Kantorek17 You haven´t read my 2 comments here or what? It´s pretty clear why SIlco changed his approach I won´t repeat myself; and NO, the writers don´t have to highlight anything else, there´s enough context and details in the episode to know why Silco would change as I said. You are criticising something that I value and is that the show doesn´t treat us like fools and expects we use our brains, which looks it failed there because you didnt.
Tbf I thought that Vander primarily tried to kill Silco out of rage from the death of Vi and Powder's mother, seeing that as a result of Silco. Silco perhaps then started hardening himself emotionally and rationalising that betrayal as something respectable much later after. So maybe he would've forgiven Vander if he found the note early on, before he properly become a villain.
Or possibly in the alternate universe, after Vi's death from the hextech crystals, which led to the discontinuation of hextech research and a deeper interest in improving the conditions in and relations with the Undercity, maybe Silco softened and forgave Vander then. Also maybe not though I admit that's harder to believe.
Did you guys really miss HEXTECH not being invented in 207? Silco turned dark because he feels betrayed by Vander yet still respects him. Despite everything that happened in past, in 103, he is eager to join hands with Vander. Because his ultimate goal is Nation of Zaun. SIlco found the letter, thus he did not feel the need to become a drug lord with his crime syndicate. Hextech was never invented, hence Topside did not totally abandon the undercity. Silco didn't have to forgive Vander immediate, instead of battling, Silco and Vander simply cooperated with Topside. Worked together with Topside. In that process they might have reconciled. Silco didn't mind working with Marcus (a cop) as long as it fits his aim, right? Vander, too, had no problem working with Greyson (a cop) as long as it kept his people secure. Writers really mapped out everything properly. We just have to look deep enough! They planned out the entire storyline and arcs even before Season 1 began production!! LOL
You. You get it.
I've been trying to make it work. Because that's how my brain works, and as is. The letter wouldn't be enough. I'd get them talking, mostly about how insulted Silco is. Unless Vander gets his fire back and fights for Zaun, he won't get Silco on his side. Its as simple as that
But....but. let's say when Vi died, Vander understands Silco's point of view. He learns that appeasing the Topsiders is just dedicating his people to a slow death. that being "one of the good ones" didn’t protect his daughter from being treated as just some Undercity filth
Well...I think that angle can work. Silco could work with that.
And if we must make it two sided, Silco eventually bonds with the kids, and learns what it means to have someone you need to protect. They find the middle ground
I don't believe that Silco has any beef beyond pure power play. His decision to take out Vander is purely strategic, and he seems to think that the reason they couldn't finish the job together before is because they were outgunned by Piltover. He understands that Vander couldn't commit fully to a revolution. The thing that caused him to lose respect in his own words was breaking bread with Piltover, playing lapdog when he has so much sway in the undercity. If Vander has influence, some of the undercity is split in favor of peace, weakening Silco's revolution.
This is why he offers Vander to fight with him. They have shimmer now in large supply, and Piltover has no countermeasures. But Vander isn't just cooperating with Piltover for no reason. He needs peace so he can raise his children. That was the ultimate purpose of his abandoning the fight (and making Vi an obligation via the flashback with Vi's mom cheapens this choice btw). He's not going to start another war to make another batch of orphans.
And everyone saying it was Vi's death that healed relations between Silco and Vander needs to closely examine what consequences this actually entails.
A laner is killed in an accident in Piltover, with the remaining laners present at the scene clearly escaping (considering none of them seem to have done time). Vi dying in this situation likely only means that Hextech is severely slowed or prevented entirely, it does nothing to change the level of aggression that Piltover's council would have in response to a perceived violation of the status quo. It does nothing to change Marcus's actions, which gives Silco an information advantage against Vander. The only thing that changes for Silco is it likely takes him a little bit longer to realize Vander is in trouble directly, since there would never be a fight with Deckard. If anything, Vi's death guarantees Silco's plan comes to fruition since Powder never destroys Silco's shimmer operation at the cannery. Vi dying is the best case scenario for Silco, and everything remains the same for Vander, except he potentially puts himself in Stillwater to cover for his children. Season 1's plot is very tightly knitted with character's actions. That's part of why it's so well written. Silco just deciding he doesn't have beef with Piltover anymore because Vander said sorry uwu is not a reality that functions alongside Season 1's story.
But there's more you didn't consider. For instance, at the end of ep1 Silco says "our timeline has moved up" and that's after Deckard told him what happened. All of Silco's actions in arc 1 stem from the kids being of the run. I think if Vi dies, Silco would stay in the shadows, take more time to develop his plan, and in the meantime, Piltover would start helping Zaun, after seeing what happened, making Silco's plans somewhat obsolete.
@itaiharshoshanim-ib6kp his plan moved up because he realized Vander is in trouble. This does not change if Vi dies, there are 3 more children at the scene.
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That's right, but I don't think Vander necessary would be in trouble. I mean think about it. At arc one, it was some undercity kids sneaking into an apartment, causing and explosion and fleeing the scene. That's how the narrative goes. That would cause people to be more scared and antagonistic against people from the undercity, which would cause Piltover to search relentlessly for the kids, which would make Vander in trouble.
In ep7, it's not that. It's undercity kids sneaking into an apartment and dying in and accidental explosion. The youngest kid is about 9 years old. The kids were not the cause of that explosion. THAT'S the narrative is that universe. I imagine more people would be sympathetic towards those kids, and from that to the whole undercity. There's no reason to search for the kids because they already have them. And true, the broke into a house, but what would they do, send them to Stillwater? Under public's eye? Remember, everyone saw that explosion. I'm sure a tragic death of a kid would be all over the news. I think at the end, that event would cause the council to start think how could they fix things up for the undercity, realising how bad it went down there. That means Vander's not in trouble and Silco doesn't need to seize power.
Now am I reading to much into it? Maybe. But is it far fetched? I don't think so, I think it can realistically happen.
@itaiharshoshanim-ib6kp I think the biggest leap in logic that you're making here is that Vi's death causes so much understanding and sympathy from Piltover that it totally changes the course of events, making Silcos plans moot due to cooperation. One kid from the undercity dying in an explosion is not going to change two centuries of oppression and class separation. It certainly isn't going to change Silco's mind, and it doesn't change how topsiders view the undercity. Marcus aims a gun at children who, as far as we are aware, killed nobody in an explosion that only happened because a topsider was using magical materials that were mishandled.
Additionally, Grayson comes to Vander first. It's not a secret that the children are Vanders. The missing link is between Marcus and Silco, which doesn't need to exist if there's no Vander in the situation. People turn away from Vander and toward Silco (Sevika to name a specific character) because they see Vander as doing nothing to stop the topsiders from stomping through the lanes. The enforcers are violent, they throw people through windows for not giving up their own. Trenchers are subhuman to them, dirty, unclean, criminals every last one. A trencher dying during a heist only supports this belief, and if topsiders were injured during the same incident (per Grayson's words) that sympathy is not going to be extended. Vi's death primarily changes what information people have, and it prevents Vander from being killed at best, but the rest of it is all driven by Marcus and the Council, with Silco soon to follow.
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I don't think so, because it's one kid dying in Piltover, not in Zaun. When it's in Zaun, it's easy for people to ignore and not pay attention. When it's your neighbourhood, your city, when it's under your nose, it forces you to confront the situation. We know Piltover hosts good people. Good citizens. But they've become blind and naive. I think it would be real worldview shattering event. I think that overtime it would really change how Piltover treats the undercity.
I also think you missed that, like, children couldn't have run away. In ep7, they stayed behind and the enforcers got a hold of them. Vander's not in trouble because enforcers aren't after him, and again, do you really think they would've sent the kids to Stillwater?
At act 1, people where afraid of the kids who can cause explosions, afraid of magic, afraid of the kids getting away. At ep7, the kids died at the explosion which makes them seem way more vulnerable and not scary, magic is not on the table, and the kids didn't get away.
So things wouldn't become worse for the undercity. People wouldn't leave Vander and Silco will just keep as he is.
In ep7 there no trenchers. Remember that in act people didn't know that the people who robbed the place where kids. In ep7 everyone would know. I think you really underestimate how much sympathy does the death of a kid can cause. Even of you don't agree, I don't think you can call it a leap in logic.
He could’ve forgiven him imo, but that is a fine theory
Yea, I wouldn't forgive someone whomtries to kill me
Even if it was your brother?
arcane season 2 was for please fans not tell the story of the season 1 characters and its consequences.
also pissed me of that they were afraid to kill characters, its not like they will have more story to tell, its the end of the series- also jinx been good? then why tf did she sit on the chair and made the choice of leting powder go
@@thompinhasthey killed off ambessa, jayce, Viktor, probably vander, and some side characters so what are you talking about
@@thompinhasand for the jinx part you just need to understand the writing, it’s not that hard
@@thompinhas at the end she managed to merge both of her identities into one, creating her final form - however she will be known as Jinx.
@@Ariel4277gsc sure buddy, so the choice she made in the end of s1 had no importance? you can really see a tragic story how a "vilain" is born, just because shess a main character they made her good on the end. thats all that matters for most of people, that the characters they like turn out "good" in the end.. characters like Griffith are not understood. everyone have their propose on a history, villain or hero...😕
this has a name: inconsistency
Another missed point, unfortunate.
Do you think the writers were saying "If Silco saw this letter he would have thrown away all of his conviction and then arcane would have turned into a Disney movie"? Or do you think they were saying "This mentally stunted traumatized character is compelled to delusionally grasp at the idea that everything could have been avoided due to her lack of understanding of the complexity and details which led to the Vander/Silco blow up" ?
You mentioned that the writers believe the former, did they say that somewhere or are you inferring that was their intention by having Jinx say that? If this is the case, do you think that the writers which wrote everything leading up to this(even if only season 2 writers) would have genuinely believed this to be the case?
I saw another comment mentioned that Amanda Overton said this, but, I haven't been able to find it when searching. It'd be extremely out of character for her to say this, but, I'd love to see it if it exists.
I think they could have talked things out
Fully agree. The letter absolutely ignores the unreconcilable ideological differences Silco and Vander possess. For all we know, Silco might've read this letter and just went to despise Vander even more.
This letter and the Vander / Silco / Felicia flashback is just a terrible retcon and character assassination, all in attempt to squeeze out an emotional response.
the felicia flashback was great, there was a time where this two have the same ideology: war will make us free, it was seeing the consequences of war what make Vander a pacifist.
@@Deathfunnyguy But we already know there was a time they shared the same ideology. We know they were like brothers. But this flashback:
1. Undermined the impact of Vander's decision to abandon his ways on the bridge once he sees children mourning their dead parents (yes, as a leader, he would've known the people he'd lead, but not necessary this intimately). It was a big moment, now reduced to 'well, I made a promise'.
2. Silco in S1 behaves as he doesn't know the sisters personally. The big moment when he hugs Powder is due to him seeing Vander's body and feeling connection to her since she's abandoned by Vi, just like he was abandoned by Vander.
3. There's no way in S1E3, when the gang attempted to save Vander, Vander wouldn't have reminded Silco that Vi is Felicia's daughter in an attempt to save her.
@@dmitrigherson5160 the 3 point its pretty good, mayyybe he though that Silco dont care about them after he keeps the same ideology that killed Felicia.
I think that Vander and Silco Knowing who are Vi and Powder makes the scenes better. Vanders war killed his best friend and left her children orphan, while Silco watching "the future" he promised defend repeat his history is what make him a girly dad
@@Deathfunnyguy It's too far stretched, for me.
The easiest explanation, in my opinion, it that writers added this flashback for an emotional moment.
@@dmitrigherson5160 maybe, i still its good, but its cool to hear and actually good argument about why the frashback has problems
There is however a universe in which Silco forgave Vander. What is your theory for the reason why they would have reconciled if not for that letter ?
The only difference between the timelines we saw was that Vi died in the alternate universe
@@shadoefoxthat’s just wrong
Cause you can’t undo a history of resentment and restore a brotherhood which was broken with just a simple letter, it’s insulting.
my best attempt to fix it (It's just a plot hole tho) is that Vi's death lead to Vander being ready to fight against Piltover (finally, once again) and Silco swooped in and offered an alliance and Shimmer, Topside gets scared and grants independence immediately (this was the original Silco's plan pretty much, before Hextech fucked it up)
@@StereoTunicFromMinecraft all the contrary, Vander didnt fight, the death of a zaunite child generate a lot of empathy on Piltover (Even Markus feels sorry for it) they started to see them as persons and finally started to do agreements
I don't believe that. I believe that Vander sucks at apologies. I think it gives him depth. I think the Arcane writers did a great thing doing this, and that shows how much they understand their story. Their story is about both ideals and and emotional rifts. It's simultaneous. And I do believe that while Vander apologies sucks, had they fix their rift, Silco would've accepted him dispite their differences, just like Jinx's and Vi's arc.
The arcane writers are great.
Silco also does say that he eventual came to forgive Vander for what he did and we don't know how long that took so while it doesn't disprove this video it's another perspective you can look at.
You don't understand what their differences are. Their differences are opposed political roads, either you play lapdog for Piltover or you don't, there is no "I apologize for the betrayal let's find a middle ground on that" because there is no middle ground. The apology about the betrayal is just not the point, if you don't understand that then you didn't understand this video at all
@@StereoTunicFromMinecraft
I do understand what their differences were. Vander believed the undercity needs fixing while Silco thinks it's already perfect and it just needs respect. Yes. But at the end of the day, those differences were there when they were still together. I just don't see how the facts that they have different beliefs would invoke Vander to kill Silco.
I understand that this video tries to emphasize their ideological differences and lower the impact of the apology. I agree that THIS apology wouldn't have been enough. I just think it's more nuanced than apology vs ideology. I think that their relationship was fundamentally fixable.
I really hope you're being sarcastic, because if you are that's actually hilarious kudos to you! Though if you're completely serious that would be a pity
upd: Nevermind, a pity it is
@@Kantorek17
After the words "if you're completely serious that" your massage is cut off for me, but yeah, I'm dead serious. The nuances of something is that just because it exists it doesn't warrant a specific thing. The existence of the letter doesn't mean it would have fixed things. And I think it wouldn't have. I think it's what the story tells us. What I think the story DOES tell us, is that Vander's and Silco's relationship was fundamentally fixable. Just like Vi's and Jinx's. That's what gives depth and drama to their story.
I don't doubt Jinx would think the letter would change things, but why would the writers? It wasn't personal, it was ideological
I love ep7 but the letter thing was ass, Ekko didn't even need to be told about the power of forgiveness, Vi and Jayce forgave their partners and they were never told how awsome forgiveness is
Who said the writers think that? Did the writers come out and say so? No. So why do you treat it as a fact?
They gave us a story that is up for interpretation. There's enough of us who got the impression that the story tells the letter wouldn't change things, so the possibility of a direct massage through the story is ruled out. Heck, the fact that there's a discussion about rules it out.
@itaiharshoshanim-ib6kp if the writers don't think the letter would’ve changed things, why did they write an episode where they show the letter changing things?
@@kaylaHat
They wrote an episode where things are different. The only thing they tell us that changed is Vi's death. They don't tell us if Silco found the letter, and if it did, what were the effects. That's up for interpretation. It's not the writers coming out and saying it.
@itaiharshoshanim-ib6kp the lead writer of the episode confirmed Silco changed cause he found the letter
@@kaylaHat
Yeah I've heard of it. And I gotta tell I really and honestly don't care. Like sure, yeah, the writer said it, but does it changes anything?
It's like if JK Rowling would say tomorrow, that the King's cross scene with Harry and Dumbledore at the end if book 7, it was actually a parallel dimension and that it was really Dumbledore speaking to Harry using dark magic. Would it make it true? No! A thousand times no! She wrote a story and that story leaves it up for interpretation. So it's up to us to decide what's true and what's not.
Jinx is a nut head, she idealizes Silco as a father... even when he turns her into something terrible, his """perfection""" is a terrorist with no cause, she probably believes that he still have opportunity to redeem himself, even after making Zaun a living hell...
Everything that happened in the other universe got some EXTREME political changes that make piltover fear hextech and feel empathy for Zaunites, that practically killed the idea of a war.
When the hate that fedeed silco violent revolution just disappear he needed to change, he justo decide to do it for better
Silco never turned her into anything. Powder was already a violent child with psychopathic tendencies, we see it in how she eagerly watches hoping her nail bomb ends another child.
Silco just nurtured her into being able to make her bombs work.
Zaun was already a living hell before Silco took over, in fact we actually see more people struggling under Vander than we do under Silco. The industry Silco brought to Zaun not only gave the economy an evident boom but Shimmer is literally a miracle cure for almost any ailment, a fuel source and a steroid that made the people of Zaun so scared that enforcers could no longer just go in and abuse them whenever they wanted.
The reason the alternate universe is different is likely because hextech was never invented to combat shimmer (we see shimmer in the alternate universe being used as a power source) so they were forced to give Zaun their independence. The idea that Piltover would just magically one day go "oh well my bad I guess we'll stop oppressing you now despite our economy relying on your oppression to make us richer" on their own is laughable.
@stuffynosepatrol did you forget the consecuenses of shimmer? It was that bad that Silco himself was traying to stop using it cuz he was an addic, chemtex (the power source of the other universe) its a LOT more volatile than hextech and its one of the signals that this universe its a los worse than what we see.
Yes, powder was violent, but its literally part of the series how bad Jinx its, literally no one but Silco wants to be near to her, she killed her "father" in a psychotic attack and next to it she commited a terrorits attack, all because she believes that it was Silcos idea of revolution.
Finally, piltover alredy wanted to Zaun go (the bald counselor give pro zaun ideas and Jayce almost give zaun their freedom) part of the problem its how a nation governed by a violent mob boss could affect them
@@Deathfunnyguy at what point did Silco try to stop using shimmer exactly? Also Silco wasn't a shimmer addict, he was using it as medicine for his eyes. I don't think he was addicted to stabbing himself in the retna. And yes shimmer has consequences if you use too much of it but so does literally every single medicine on the planet. Like is the dude who invented opium evil now because it can be addictive if used too much? No because it was originally meant to be a painkiller. In season 1 we actually see significantly more instances of shimmer being used as a medicine or as a weapon against oppression than we do as a drug.
There is literally no meaningful difference between Jinx and Powder aside from Jinx's bombs actually work. Silco didn't manipulate Powder into becoming a terrorist, he didn't corrupt her into becoming a murderer, she ALWAYS had something wrong with her.
Not sure what exactly Jinx killing Silco has to do with the conversation but it was Vi who triggered the psychotic episode and Silco who tried to get Vi to stop because she was putting all of them AND Jinx in danger with her own stupidity.
What "pro-Zaun" ideas did Hoskel have? All I remember from him is him saying that shimmer and prosthetics for poor people are somehow negative "we've seen what they're capable of" in a terrified tone when talking about a terrorist attack. Jayce doesn't exist in the alternate universe and the chances of someone like Jayce coming along to fix all of their problems and not get corrupted by politics are absolutely improbably. It'd be like if American slaves and abolistionists didn't want to fight for their rights because there's a 0.0001% chance that maybe one day a morally pure politician will step up to fix all of their problems. That's just not how social issues are resolved. Major social issues, especially ones relating to the economy, usually have to be overturned violently. Piltover had hundreds of years to fix their relationship with Zaun and they didn't. Do you just expect the Zaunites to wait and pray that some miracle happens and that the councillors hearts grow 3 sizes larger some day or something?
@@stuffynosepatrol olvídalo, te lo diré en español, lo único en lo que podemos estar de acuerdo es que la revolución será violenta o no sera, pero no recuerdo que en las guerras abolicionista ningún gobierno le diera una droga super adictiva a sus soldados, o que mandaran a los niños a las fábricas a trabajar hasta morirá, Silco fue un no pensó en quienes permitía en su grupo y permitió el ascenso en poder de los chembarones, quienes tenían el poder sobre las minas, las prótesis LA JODIDA PRODUCCION DE SHIMMER, y eran capaces de sacarlo del poder, lo único que los detuvo de traicionar lo y terminar de volver a zaun en infierno 2.0 es Sevika ( y ni Silco creyó que se mantendría fiel ).
En el universo alternativo podemos ver el ojo de Silco, esta igual, salvo por que no tiene la congrenación (efecto secundario del shimmer) y se nota que ya perdió el ojo para después del time skip, el único motivo por el que Silco se seguiría inyectando cantidades tan pequeñas de shimmer seria para evitar la abstinencia (especialmente por que en la primera temporada se ve que le afecta no tener sus dosis).
La idea de que no es malo quien creo el medicamento tiene un problema, el shimmer no fue creado como medicamento, fue creado como esteroides por SINGRED a pedido de Silco, su uso medicinal es una muestra de que Silgred manipulaba a Silco.
El motivo por el que piltover parece "aceptar" la libertad de Zaun es que no están ganando nada con ellos, eso es uno de los únicos grandes aciertos de Silco, Zaun no beneficia a Piltover.
Es inegable que Silco amaba tanto a Jinx como a Zaun el problema es que era un hombre fuertemente herido que no se dio cuenta que, ni con el brillo, Zaun tenia chance de liberarse de piltover con violencia desemfocada, Sevika y (irónicamente) Jinx, supieron mejor como hacer atentados y movimientos anti piltover.
I kinda disagree with your conclusion. Jinx says they could've reconciled, a character in the show who is naive and hopeful. This isnt a higher power saying this so you are just wrong when you blame the arcane creators.
Wdym the creators show us a future where this all works out .
@@Constantine_James
They don't tell us how it does. They only tell us what happened at the job. Everything else is up to interpretation.
I’ll never forget when one of the Arcane creators said that season 2 will explore Vanders and Silcos relationship and how the girls are doomed to replicate it in a way.
And I thought “Yes! Silco was wrong in the first season! He and Vander had entirely different worldviews and values at that point, but Powder and Vi were just children, struck by tragedy, wanting to reconnect, but seperated by forces outside their reach. Both of them are left with nothing at the end of season 1. Jinx shoots Silco, she now has the potential to think for herself, embrace chaos and anarchy, become the tragic villain she was supposed to be. Vi left prison maybe a week ago, only to find everything changed. Her old life doesn’t exist anymore. She has to carve out a way for herself, connect with the ambitious teenager she was in the first act of season 1. Become the hero Vander thought she could become, even if she has to join the side she feared her whole life.
Their difference will be more complex, not only emotionally rich, but separated by ideologies. What a brilliant show!”
And then we are left with this bullshit of a season. Implying the letter would solve anything is a crime. Making an alternate universe only for fanservice is an even bigger one.
@ if S2 matched S1 it would have been the best show ever made .
It should be clear as fuck to anyone that they want us to believe the letter would be the fix of Vander and Silco's relationship, the way the scene is set up, the way Vi reacts, how she even reaches out her hand to touch Jinx wich is a clear parallel of "I could reconsile with my sister like Vander and Silco could". Then you have the AU scene where Silco says "the greatest thing we can do in life is find the power to forgive". The writers put that line in there for a reason, you'd have to be blind to not see what they are trying to tell you.
If the showrunners wanted that letter to be ambigious and simply act as a tool to start Jinx and Vi's relationship healing arc then why put that AU Silco scene in. Furthermore it proves the writers genuinely believe saying sorry would fix the sister's relationship so it's bull either way.
To top it all of we already got a better execution of that idea and it was in the last episode of Season 1. After being presented with Jayce's deal Silco finally understands why Vander betrayed his own convictions. In that moment he realised Jinx became more important to him than his ambitions just like Vi was for Vander. The reason it's far more nuanced and real is becuase Silco learns this by experiencing it first-hand. The idea that Vander could've just talked it out with Silco is insultingly childish in comparison, just fuck off with that actually.
Stop excusing the writers for making dogshit decisions.
You literally make a strawman here. It's like a textbook example of a strawman.
Jinx says "everything could have been different"
And you say "No, the letter woudn't have made it a fairy tale world"
Well Jinx didn't say it. You attack something that literally nobody said or implied. Hence a "strawman".
The Powderverse is not (just) because of the letter.
See "different" than "a certain misfortune" isn't paradise, world peace and all the riches in the world, but *just* NOT this certain misfortune. Perhaps another misfortune. Who knows.
It's common sense to know that this letter would've literally changed everything. So no, it's not bullshit, it's common sense. Something ig you lack.
@@Xominus what an insightful comment. Clearly a single paper that addresses 1 out of 100 massive problems would for sure fix the entire world .
If Silco read that letter and if they reconciled years ago, Silco would not be that obsessed with power and he would not create Shimmer with Singed among other things. They would both work together on creating better Zaun like they promiced to Felicia. Divided they both failed to do so.
Well I think them both knowing powder and Vi is a retcon and wasn’t part of the plan in S1 . Also why would a letter change Silcos ideology.
@Constantine_James Because it is also what happened with Vi and Powder. Act of rage from both Vander and Vi is what changed Silco and Jinx ( then Powder). Both of them regretted it but, Silco never saw the letter - which left him thinking Vander never cared about what he did, and Vi was kidnapped and put in the prison - but Powder thought she left her.
Silco said that he let a weak man die at the river and he became who he was because of what happened, just like Powder created her Jinx persona to cope with it all. Letter scene was also put there to draw paralels with Vi and Jinx situation. If Vi had time to apologize to Powder, things would have been different between them too.
@@Constantine_James
I don't see how would that be a retcon. I doesn't destroy anything established in S1.
@@anabrans2 This happens a lot in season 2, you can draw all the parallels that you want but they are different characters at the end of the day, what happens between vi and powder was a personal thing, the thing with silco and vander is more political and ideological. Its more complex than that, thats why silco is able to do something like kill vander and even try to kill the children he protects, meanwhile jinx is unable to actually kill vi or cait. The writers just bring back symbols that mean something to the audience so they make it make sense in their head without actually writing a proper explanation.
@@itaiharshoshanim-ib6kp Maybe not the letter but dont you think that making silco part of the life of vi and powder from the start in season 2 affects the characterization of silco from the first season in an incredible bad way?. I mean they are not some random kids anymore, he was close to their mother, he and vander fighted for Zaun with them in mind, like wtf.
I think you're downplaying the influence of at least two other, pretty important differences between the timelines.
First, Vi's death seemed to spark empathy or pity for the Zaunites, rather than disdain or hostility, in Enforcers like Marcus. Silco would see or hear about that. Especially because Vi was the kid Felicia had him promise to help Zaun on, that could prompt him to seek out Vander to make amends. And because Vander felt enough to write the letter, he wouldn't turn Silco down if he did. Even if you don't buy the emotional change at this point, Marcus was Silco's key to the Enforcers because he was the deputy. His plans would be set back massively, if not ground to a halt, without being able to buy the sheriff's office.
Second, while we don't know when the council first responded, we know Heimerdinger spent years working with Powder and the other kids to cultivate progress by them, for Zaun. Silco would have to be absolutely deranged to keep fighting, when the essential head of Piltover has turned a helping hand to Zaun's upcoming scientists. He'd have no support. Singed would probably just vanish to avoid Heimerdinger.
So I think you're right, that the letter doesn't matter to Vander and Silco's parallel future. The sentiment behind it does. The letter itself matters to Jinx.