Good vid liked it glad too see you explain about the lumber sizes i notice you mostly do most of the work your self want it done right i was in buisness for21 years it helped make me a very old man cant find good help . I enjoy watching so much about all old man can do . Thanks for taking me along god bless
That is part of the hope / dream I guess: to be well enough to do this kind of hard but rewarding work. I was born with several debilitating health conditions, and have developed others. I’m not complaining, I’ve made a huge and rewarding amount from life, and I teach spoon carving, because of my love of wood. I also do leatherwork, and watercolour painting, and am a husband of over 38 years, and father of 3 boys, who are all adult now. But there is something about the quality of this channel which at the same time reminds me of, and also satisfies the desire I have always had to run one of these magnificent beasts! This is really just a long-winded and self-indulgent “Thank You”.
It is good to see someone making full size timbers. When I was a lad common building timber was genuine 2” sawn with openings framed in 2 1/2”. now you’d have to talk to a sawmill to buy timber for repairs on our (UK) housing stock older than 60’s built, and that only happens in listed (special ) buildings.
Good morning buddy!! It’s so awesome to be able to make what ya need from what ya have! Lumber prices are crazy right now so your saving money, and getting what ya need soo cool!!! God bless you and yours.
@@billybatts9491 Ya looks enjoyable for sure. Some day when I grow up I want UA-cam to dump money on my front porch to hehehe. I hope to get a mill sometime in summer when the back orders are filled.
Good video. There is something about watching work being done to create something valuable from a raw resource that gives me pleasure, wish it were me doing it. God Bless.
Very nice video! My dad and I just ordered a LT40HDS Wide! So exited to start making videos milling! Thank you so much for teaching me all these techniques and tips!
As a design student from HK back in the early 80's I was given an assignment to build a project with 2x4s. So I went to the lumbar yard for the first time ever after just landing in Columbus 1 week prior. I went around with my tape measure and everything was smaller than 2x4!! My first North American lesson. I can laugh about it now.
Before 1948, there was no uniform standards for lumber manufacture. Prior to 1948, lumber was cut to whatever dimension the sawyer wanted to make. The 2x4 designation is based on the green nominal size. When used rough, a 2x4 will be larger than the planed or finished size. With uniform standards, you can be assured that a finished 2x4 today will be consistent with 2x4’s produced by different manufacturers at 1.5”x3.5”.
The final dimensions are because when they are cut they cut them "dimensional" rather than "true". If they cut them true then the planing would bring them down to 2" x 4" instead. Home Depot here will actually get true cut lumber if you request it. edit to add: naturally, it's the obvious money as to why they made the cutting change. buy a log measuring and pricing for true cut lumber but actually cut it dimensional and you get a bigger profit.
You are having a lot of fun. That mill is just what's needed when you require timber of a certain size. Amazing how much smaller the modern 2 X 4 compared to the old sizes. They can get more out of a log with these new sizes. Good for you just what you need, worth its weight in gold.
The sawmill is not cutting a 2x4 at 1.5x3.5", they are cutting close to full dimension. Once it is dried and ran through the planer you get 1.5x3.5" These are not "new" sizes, they have been that way for dried and surfaced 2x4's for a very long time. The difference is we were once able to buy rough cut green 2x4's for framing but that was long before most of us were alive.
Young man that was some good cuts of lumber! You can use what you need and sell the extra or just keep it all and have plenty for yourself..lol Either way you shouldn’t have to go to the lumber yard anymore. Thanks for sharing your videos and God bless!
Wow!!! Great camera angles .I was really wondering at some shots where u have placed ur camera. So fun. I love watching sawing logs to boards. Really njoyed the video👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥
Another great update thanks Wes! I think timber in the stores is shrinking! I went to buy some planed 1x2 (or 2x1 here in the UK!) and as we know, it is gonna end up smaller after planing. Timber here is now sold in Millimetres as we went Metric some time ago, and the planed 2x1's were actually 40 x 19mm! SInce 1 inch is approximately 25mm, where was the rest of it! Stay safe & well. 👍👍
Even when you factor in the cost of the mill, the need to repair/service/renew it? Fuel and blades? Tractor and other infra? The cost of the land? 50$/hour salary before taxes? Yes, one can make some money. At least with some creative counting, BUT to call it "money printing" sounds a little "hopefull"?
With the prices of wood i would build a big pole barn and start storing lumber for sale all that sawdust could be a side money maker as well farmers love the dust for bedding
I’ve been “hoarding” for about 8 months. I caught grief in the beginning because the log yard started encroaching on the yard-yard. One trip to Lowe’s last week shut up the critics... 😂 polite requests for dimensional pine followed. It isn’t going to get any better any time soon.
Of course you can still get full 2x4's but you'd have to order it. But you really wouldn't want them. All start out as full but the processing cuts a quarter inch off each side and then they are sent to a kiln to dry.
Ahh you're just showing off now with all the camera angles! Looking brilliant though, just need to find a way to put the smells of timber in the video and it'll be like we're actually there. Loving the content as always 👌
So, if you're framing with full dimension lumber, do you still frame @ 16" on center and compact your insulation, or do you frame @ 16 1/2" on center so the insulation isn't compacted ? We're milling with an LT15 as well, upstate NY, near Utica.
Those store bought lumber are (are cut to the proper dimensions before they are curred) small like that because they are "Pressure treated". So that means they are shrunk down. They are also treated with mold and insect chemicals to keep bugs and mold from destroying the lumber while in the house or buildings. Unlike yours which will need replacing every so many years after they arw installed.
Not even close. Pressure treated is pressure treated. Most common lumber is only kiln dried and the planed for consistency. The drying process involves only high heat and humidity control - sometimes poorly. Ground contact or termite protection requirements vary by code but go watch them build an apartment complex or new development. That ain’t pressure treated.
@@rheagriffiths3838 i was in the construction field for 10 years in the 1980s. Thats how it was explained to me. Guess the info i got was wrong. Thanks for the videos! 😊
The problem with making and using custom lumber for construction is that all the other items which one will need like doors, windows, etc. are manufactured in standard sizes which assume the nominal 2 x limber unless ... one is prepare to build everything. This strategy is quite ... naive.
Someone has to pay for the saw cut!!! If you're building a house the wall studs gain little strength by being 4x2. A 4x1/12 costs less and does the same job. Stavros
The wood at Home Depot and Lowes is going up, up and away. The USA companies are getting taxed out of business. Takes care not to under price your material.
They are not getting taxed out of business. In fact with all the loopholes and deductions they pay very little as compared to what they should be paying.
Why? Show me the osb or any other industry standard material that's gonna break on 16 of your true 2x4's lmao. Materials are the size they are for a reason bub.
Good vid liked it glad too see you explain about the lumber sizes i notice you mostly do most of the work your self want it done right i was in buisness for21 years it helped make me a very old man cant find good help . I enjoy watching so much about all old man can do . Thanks for taking me along god bless
All my life I’ve wanted to run my own saw mill. Your videos are the closest I have got to bringing my dream to life. Thank you.
Thankful I can help!
I run one every day and trust me it's work.
That is part of the hope / dream I guess: to be well enough to do this kind of hard but rewarding work. I was born with several debilitating health conditions, and have developed others. I’m not complaining, I’ve made a huge and rewarding amount from life, and I teach spoon carving, because of my love of wood. I also do leatherwork, and watercolour painting, and am a husband of over 38 years, and father of 3 boys, who are all adult now.
But there is something about the quality of this channel which at the same time reminds me of, and also satisfies the desire I have always had to run one of these magnificent beasts! This is really just a long-winded and self-indulgent “Thank You”.
Have you ever seen the 'sawing with Sandy' videos
It is good to see someone making full size timbers. When I was a lad common building timber was genuine 2” sawn with openings framed in 2 1/2”. now you’d have to talk to a sawmill to buy timber for repairs on our (UK) housing stock older than 60’s built, and that only happens in listed (special ) buildings.
Good morning buddy!! It’s so awesome to be able to make what ya need from what ya have! Lumber prices are crazy right now so your saving money, and getting what ya need soo cool!!! God bless you and yours.
@@billybatts9491 Ya looks enjoyable for sure. Some day when I grow up I want UA-cam to dump money on my front porch to hehehe. I hope to get a mill sometime in summer when the back orders are filled.
Great looking wood. Nice to see some actual 2x4 lumber. Thanks for sharing. God Bless.
Good video. There is something about watching work being done to create something valuable from a raw resource that gives me pleasure, wish it were me doing it. God Bless.
Very nice video! My dad and I just ordered a LT40HDS Wide! So exited to start making videos milling! Thank you so much for teaching me all these techniques and tips!
Awesome! Ya'll will have fun!
As a design student from HK back in the early 80's I was given an assignment to build a project with 2x4s. So I went to the lumbar yard for the first time ever after just landing in Columbus 1 week prior. I went around with my tape measure and everything was smaller than 2x4!! My first North American lesson. I can laugh about it now.
Before 1948, there was no uniform standards for lumber manufacture. Prior to 1948, lumber was cut to whatever dimension the sawyer wanted to make. The 2x4 designation is based on the green nominal size. When used rough, a 2x4 will be larger than the planed or finished size. With uniform standards, you can be assured that a finished 2x4 today will be consistent with 2x4’s produced by different manufacturers at 1.5”x3.5”.
The final dimensions are because when they are cut they cut them "dimensional" rather than "true". If they cut them true then the planing would bring them down to 2" x 4" instead. Home Depot here will actually get true cut lumber if you request it.
edit to add:
naturally, it's the obvious money as to why they made the cutting change. buy a log measuring and pricing for true cut lumber but actually cut it dimensional and you get a bigger profit.
i guess I am kinda randomly asking but do anyone know a good site to stream newly released tv shows online ?
You are having a lot of fun. That mill is just what's needed when you require timber of a certain size. Amazing how much smaller the modern 2 X 4 compared to the old sizes. They can get more out of a log with these new sizes. Good for you just what you need, worth its weight in gold.
The sawmill is not cutting a 2x4 at 1.5x3.5", they are cutting close to full dimension. Once it is dried and ran through the planer you get 1.5x3.5" These are not "new" sizes, they have been that way for dried and surfaced 2x4's for a very long time. The difference is we were once able to buy rough cut green 2x4's for framing but that was long before most of us were alive.
Good show!!! Those are some really great camera shots and angles!!! Love your videos.
Awesome, thank you!
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Nice camera angles. Great equipment and a rewarding day's work.
That was the exact reason I bought my mill. I had an old home with real 2x4 and it needed remodeling. Who knew it would become so much more.
Another well done video, Wes. Enjoying watching these. Still gotta go back and watch the stuck tractor vid.
We weren't aware the LT15 had a power drive! Seems like a great feature!!
the old 4x2 inches is now dressed to 90x45 mm, but it is like a first-grade timber with true squares edges and elegant smoothness
Love those close up shots cutting the Lumber.
Good sawing. Good video production. Good editing. You are becoming an expert in all three.
Young man that was some good cuts of lumber! You can use what you need and sell the extra or just keep it all and have plenty for yourself..lol Either way you shouldn’t have to go to the lumber yard anymore. Thanks for sharing your videos and God bless!
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Wow!!! Great camera angles .I was really wondering at some shots where u have placed ur camera. So fun. I love watching sawing logs to boards. Really njoyed the video👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥
Thanks for watching!
Another great update thanks Wes! I think timber in the stores is shrinking! I went to buy some planed 1x2 (or 2x1 here in the UK!) and as we know, it is gonna end up smaller after planing. Timber here is now sold in Millimetres as we went Metric some time ago, and the planed 2x1's were actually 40 x 19mm! SInce 1 inch is approximately 25mm, where was the rest of it! Stay safe & well. 👍👍
You’ve got a clean tractor once again after getting it stuck in the mud !
This is actually some older footage before the tractor got sunk! I've been out of town a lot lately and had to get way ahead on filming.
Happy to see you working with mask on , not to breathe all the dust. not like other
You are young you will learn keep it up
Nice boards....
Ok, I'm inspired! I'm going to go make about twenty-five 1x12's
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With the excessive cost of lumber today, you are printing money on that mill
Even when you factor in the cost of the mill, the need to repair/service/renew it? Fuel and blades? Tractor and other infra? The cost of the land? 50$/hour salary before taxes?
Yes, one can make some money. At least with some creative counting, BUT to call it "money printing" sounds a little "hopefull"?
really appreciate the videos...
Really appreciate you watching!
Dude. The amount of time you have to have in your hands to have to reposition the camera for the different angles. Dang. Thanks for that.
Good afternoon from SE Louisiana 12 Apr 21.
Excellent video, there's something relaxing about watching wood being cut, what do you do with all the trimmings
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This may sound dumb to you, but why isn't the mill lined up with the wood to be cut, instead of having to move it with a tractor?
Great music who's playing ? ?
With the prices of wood i would build a big pole barn and start storing lumber for sale all that sawdust could be a side money maker as well farmers love the dust for bedding
I’ve been “hoarding” for about 8 months. I caught grief in the beginning because the log yard started encroaching on the yard-yard. One trip to Lowe’s last week shut up the critics... 😂 polite requests for dimensional pine followed. It isn’t going to get any better any time soon.
First three 2x4s = 1 log + 1 hour sawing + 2 hours moving the camera! Worth it for us watching though.
Ha! The camera does add a lot of time.
You have a never ending supply of logs.
Amen good aqurite wood is good you make what you want keep it up
Of course you can still get full 2x4's but you'd have to order it. But you really wouldn't want them. All start out as full but the processing cuts a quarter inch off each side and then they are sent to a kiln to dry.
Great milling. Does anyone know why lumber products have shot up in price now? Surely not because of COVID?
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You should make a video of recipes with the honey you collect if you have some
Ahh you're just showing off now with all the camera angles!
Looking brilliant though, just need to find a way to put the smells of timber in the video and it'll be like we're actually there.
Loving the content as always 👌
What do you do with all the sawdust you produce?
I enjoyed the video and the extremely "creative" camera angles. Have to ask, did the camera survive?
So, if you're framing with full dimension lumber, do you still frame @ 16" on center and compact your insulation, or do you frame @ 16 1/2" on center so the insulation isn't compacted ? We're milling with an LT15 as well, upstate NY, near Utica.
I have no idea. That would give you 1/4" less space for insulation per board, so 1/2" total loss. Not sure that would be enough to make a difference.
Pretty much the same thing about the dimension over here in Sweden. If i buy a 2x4, it will be 45mm x 95mm.
That is 1.8" X 3.8" better than 1.5" x 3.5".
The trouble of two logs maybe not worth it
How you keep those logs from blue staining?
Nice job !! Where is ur Lil Helper ?
How soon after cutting can you use them for framing?
Actually the 2x4s one buys in the store did come off the mill as a true 2x4 then they are cleaned up and finish as 1 1/2 x 3 1/2.
i would cut a couple of logs to the same size cant and then finish up with 2 logs side by side or your dimensional lumber
Those store bought lumber are (are cut to the proper dimensions before they are curred) small like that because they are "Pressure treated". So that means they are shrunk down. They are also treated with mold and insect chemicals to keep bugs and mold from destroying the lumber while in the house or buildings. Unlike yours which will need replacing every so many years after they arw installed.
Not even close. Pressure treated is pressure treated. Most common lumber is only kiln dried and the planed for consistency. The drying process involves only high heat and humidity control - sometimes poorly. Ground contact or termite protection requirements vary by code but go watch them build an apartment complex or new development. That ain’t pressure treated.
@@rheagriffiths3838 i was in the construction field for 10 years in the 1980s. Thats how it was explained to me. Guess the info i got was wrong. Thanks for the videos! 😊
Where’s you kiln?
So you must be where... down by Albany (ALLBENNY) or Columbus? I'm in the Indianapolis area but originally from Dalton.
Pretty close, Bill. Appreciate you watching.
so why are they calling it 2x4 if its isn't true to size LOL, i know my local hardware, the closest to that would be the 90x45mm
What is the moisture content of those real 2x4's?
Not sure about these, green off the stump they're in the 30-40% range.
What kind of logs are you sawing?
Pine.
@@falllineridge Thanks
IT might be a true 2x4. But it looks very fast growth, I dont think they are that strong, might warp and twist easy
humpty dumpty almost had a small fall.
The problem with making and using custom lumber for construction is that all the other items which one will need like doors, windows, etc. are manufactured in standard sizes which assume the nominal 2 x limber unless ... one is prepare to build everything. This strategy is quite ... naive.
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Getting greedy and trying to do two at once sure saved you a lot of time.
Why are two by fours not true two by fours?
Not sure, probably has something to do with getting the most out of logs. It does save weight which is nice.
Someone has to pay for the saw cut!!!
If you're building a house the wall studs gain little strength by being 4x2. A 4x1/12 costs less and does the same job.
Stavros
I'd imagine you sell this lumber.
Just wonder where you are located...
Wes mentioned in video that it was for his own re-model job.
That log look a little rotten....hmmmm
Barbie chainsaw???
13:02 *doonk*
When use fast growing tree they won't be as good as old growth
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The wood at Home Depot and Lowes is going up, up and away. The USA companies are getting taxed out of business. Takes care not to under price your material.
What is amaxing to me with HD. Lowes and RoMac ( local here) is that EVERY stick has pith! Basically useless except for strctural
They are not getting taxed out of business. In fact with all the loopholes and deductions they pay very little as compared to what they should be paying.
@@meehd01 SURE!
I am one of those delusional fools who thought that 4" x 2" actually meant 4" x 2"!!!
Crazy!
Better
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Why? Show me the osb or any other industry standard material that's gonna break on 16 of your true 2x4's lmao. Materials are the size they are for a reason bub.
Why not? We buy sawmills for a reason, bub. ;p