Great video. My only problem with it is calling out some peoples play style. LRM boats do not need a lot of skill to play. I have one out of 50 mechs. Rarely use it. But just because someone enjoys playing them doesn't make them noobs, lol. I prefer to brawl myself and some like to hit and run. Each has a purpose in the game and balanced team with team work will own the field everytime.
Most LRMs are vegetables, not people. I saw in a game yesterday a player who used 2 C-TAGs on his mech and at the same time hid in the gorge, instead of keeping a distance from the enemy and is at least near the open area.
"you need to move around, increase your skill, and they need to sit in their chair getting locks for indirect fire like *uuuurrrrruuuuagh*" - a real human
Seismic sensor is amazing, for the last two weeks I've been putting it on everything. Just because a mech is behind you doesn't mean they can see you, but you can see them and you can see levels above you and below.
Ever since they changed Polar I can't remember a match where LRMs have been the absolute unavoidable menace you say they are. Rarely you see them being the MVP of a match.
PGI should combine the Torso nodes into only two nodes for each. 2 nodes of 15% Torso speed 2 nodes of 7.5% Torso Yaw 2 nodes of 10% Torso Pitch Also they should do the same with armor buffs giving more to lights and less to assaults but in reverse with Agility nodes. More points to 100 tonners and less to 20 tonners. You can choose to invest in a pure tankiness build or a pure speed build and be worth the investment.
I see his BIAS, he is trying to get a fair competetive mechshooter game in the first place and he is frustrated more and more about the cauldron bias.^^
@@MrRayWolf The one place they slip up is increasing time to kill. It increases the skill gap and reduces competition. It spreads the spectrum of players so wide it breaks match maker and match quality. (I'm not sure they have a choice given the amount of damage in the game now) Also makes a lot of weapons obsolete. Pinpoint gets stronger the more armour is added to the game. The game consists mainly of Lasers, Gauss, PPC and LRM's.
I would like to share my thoughts on the radar deprivation quirk. In the old branch, it took 16 points for 100%, in the new one only 10. To take 60% - 7 in the new, 9 in the old. In order to take ECM nodes in the old one, you had to give 7 in the new one (!), 13 in the old one. Yes, yes, yes, LRM is hell, but how often do you run into LRM boats lately? Without a full party? Just in random? In principle, I practically do not see LRMschikov. But what I see is lemings running around in circles playing a racing game, not a shooter. And a huge part of these "lemings" run with snubs. Down to the locus. This is fine? And this is often arranged by both teams, leaving their assault mechs to be eaten by the lights. And the LRMs can't help them because... Because they don't exist? It's strange, but LRMs can also cover allies. You can support your lights. Well, more. Since there are no LRMs, then why AMS? 100% radar deprivation + ECM and no problems. But okay. We run in circles. It's just... It's an indirect nerf that seriously hit LRMs outside of the full party. I don't know... I just don't see much LRM mechs now.
You actually get flamed and belittled if you get higher in the tiers. started in 3 and annoys the shit out of me. A game wit 1300 on vitric in a lrm boat. nobody cares (why should they). you are not dying first and they did so they can watch and start to flame you till the screen at the end pops up and you are the only one beyond 400 and last one to die desperatly brawling on short to mid even doing dmg there. Thats why you dont see them besides you actually have to work for locks which is fine but drive speople away as well.
@@MrRayWolf It always has been like this. If they changed it then i've missed that. The Blip helps a lot! You know an enemy had an eye on you. Without RadDepr you wouldn't know and the enemy would have a bigger advantage on you. It helps with timing when peeking too.
Lol, I am glad you said that about LRMs. Totally agree... free points for players with no skills. Yeah, yeah, its 'fair' and 'part of the game' but it is still just mindlessly pushing a button to get free points. I have found though that Torso Pitch can help an assault when a light mech tried to leg lock you.
Very good info thanks. Unless i missed it, what about taking full ECM and radar dep nodes, like when ecm is countered/off or within site range? Is it a waste of nodes after taking ecm and 1 node to take more?
people use skill tree codes?? wtf?? I've been rocking my own skill trees since the beginning. You just have to ask yourself what you need the mech for, and how hot your weapons are going to make you. If you're a missile boat, you will need lots of target requesition skills. If you're a fast beam boat, you will need speed, maybe jumps, a bunch of heat management, and armour/skeleton. If you're running a big bad assault, it's armour, heat management, movement stuff like torso rotation, acceleration, turning speed etc. It's simple really. Thanks for the vid tho!
I am getting into the game after 2 yrs break - assaults feels weaker (I got wrecked on the fresh assault with 0 skill points). Snubnose Urbie is crazy strong (got max 1200 dmg, average 600-800dmg). Missiles still wrecking the day (I dont like LRMs). I was playing lights a lot (but I do not specialize into one cattegory) so now is fine for me :). The game has changed, lasers feels like the weakest option (viable are smaller variants), dakka is OK, gauss feels weaker than before and snubs are OP as fck. ECM is nearly a must for me now. Climbing up in new tier system, atm in the middle of T3 (after 10 days of casual gaming). Thank you for the guides and info, really helps :)
I was very sad as an LRM player first 10 minutes :( Playing LRM because now have access to very old pc which freezing at active fights and shoot something is very tricky. Also LRM boat is not that amazing - ppl know how to hide, ecm everywhere, piranhas all around and each time you got on map like Solaris 7 you can go afk. But on Alpine Peaks - yeah, it's like heaven.
what about seismic sensors to protect sinipers and heavies/assaults, specially the ones that are slow or not capable of defending their own feets? in case the attacking light has not a direct LOS to you. In this case the 200m (that include at least a turn or a very steep slope) can save you.
One thing I noticed is people importing skill tree builds and not running the matching loadouts: for example using a skill tree build that has Coolshot Cooldown and Reserves, but only equipping a single Coolshot.
“If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.” most people are just too lazy to use their own brain man ,thanks for making this ,so maybe some people can learn something instead of just copyign someone elses build
it was a long time since somebody started making these kind of technical videos to explain why to put certain weapons on certain mechs. Most people play the game record and aploud it to yt and get good or bad results without any explanation why they used that weapon on that mech or end up on certain spot on some map.
Many thanks for this video! I will have to go through my skill trees again and adjust some things. I'm worried that I will do that after every patch now whenever nodes are getting buffed / nerfed. Also sad to hear that your LRM proposal got voted down. It sounded very reasonable to me, since LRMs are so feast-or-famine right now. I would love to hear the reasoning of the people that disagree with you, but unfortunately it seems that you are the only cauldron member who is that vocal in public.
The frustration. Man I've been there with work. Designing and Architecting proper solutions, only to have morons choose an easier way. I appreciate the brutal honesty. People are too soft nowadays.
It would be nice to have the possibility to create matches with custom rules so one can create modified play environment, so it would be easier to compensate some poor choices, like "radar deprivation" node cost and layout.
Your early assessment of LRMs is almost noob in itself. Every weapon has its place, I brawl a lot so I share your vision of them, but they have their place my man.
Using 9 points for 3 consumable slots is such nonsense. It is better to develop heat capacity, this will make it possible to heat up longer, use alpha strikes on hot builds and hot maps. And it is better to develop mobility instead of core survivability, this will save a lot of armor and hp.
nah, you are just wrong...but given the arrogance you just used i am not even going to teach you why (otherwise I would have helped you as i do with everyone)
Barely any aim skill is required. literally the easiest weapon to aim with in the game its barely difficult enough to even be considered aiming, its why most people say it doesn't require any aiming skill at all.
ever since I started following your build/tactical advice my damage and games have been overall improved, so thank you!
same for me and my team.
@@JustinAquino I'm sort of looking for a unit to join but only a casual player at the moment. Dalorend in game name if you now any with open spots.
Great video. My only problem with it is calling out some peoples play style. LRM boats do not need a lot of skill to play. I have one out of 50 mechs. Rarely use it. But just because someone enjoys playing them doesn't make them noobs, lol. I prefer to brawl myself and some like to hit and run. Each has a purpose in the game and balanced team with team work will own the field everytime.
i play lrms myself.
my problem is with the guys who ask lrms to be buffed to the point of aim requiring weapons
@@JGxDATA I agree with that. They are already a bit OP
Most LRMs are vegetables, not people. I saw in a game yesterday a player who used 2 C-TAGs on his mech and at the same time hid in the gorge, instead of keeping a distance from the enemy and is at least near the open area.
@@VictorLarsen-fy9ls Proper LRM playstyle is 400~ meters away from your pushing front mechs.
I feel like I'm going to need to watch this several times! Thanks Data!
I love how informative you are then just lose it if comes to some nonsense :D It makes it really... Human :)
"you need to move around, increase your skill, and they need to sit in their chair getting locks for indirect fire like *uuuurrrrruuuuagh*" - a real human
Seismic sensor is amazing, for the last two weeks I've been putting it on everything. Just because a mech is behind you doesn't mean they can see you, but you can see them and you can see levels above you and below.
Killer content brother. All the skill tree info that I have seen recently was hella outdated, so this is much appreciated
Gigachad content updates.
I really can't help but wonder how D A T A feels about Light Mech buffs?? It's such a mystery;)
Ever since they changed Polar I can't remember a match where LRMs have been the absolute unavoidable menace you say they are. Rarely you see them being the MVP of a match.
Radar deprivation is useless it's a skill issue just position better
PGI should combine the Torso nodes into only two nodes for each.
2 nodes of 15% Torso speed
2 nodes of 7.5% Torso Yaw
2 nodes of 10% Torso Pitch
Also they should do the same with armor buffs giving more to lights and less to assaults but in reverse with Agility nodes.
More points to 100 tonners and less to 20 tonners. You can choose to invest in a pure tankiness build or a pure speed build and be worth the investment.
They cannot fix the old bugs of the game and only spoil it with new updates.
I like your analysis. To me it seems the most accurate and non bias. It also highlight's why MWO is failing outside of it's age.
I see his BIAS, he is trying to get a fair competetive mechshooter game in the first place and he is frustrated more and more about the cauldron bias.^^
@@MrRayWolf The one place they slip up is increasing time to kill. It increases the skill gap and reduces competition. It spreads the spectrum of players so wide it breaks match maker and match quality. (I'm not sure they have a choice given the amount of damage in the game now)
Also makes a lot of weapons obsolete. Pinpoint gets stronger the more armour is added to the game.
The game consists mainly of Lasers, Gauss, PPC and LRM's.
I would like to share my thoughts on the radar deprivation quirk.
In the old branch, it took 16 points for 100%, in the new one only 10. To take 60% - 7 in the new, 9 in the old. In order to take ECM nodes in the old one, you had to give 7 in the new one (!), 13 in the old one.
Yes, yes, yes, LRM is hell, but how often do you run into LRM boats lately? Without a full party? Just in random? In principle, I practically do not see LRMschikov. But what I see is lemings running around in circles playing a racing game, not a shooter. And a huge part of these "lemings" run with snubs. Down to the locus. This is fine? And this is often arranged by both teams, leaving their assault mechs to be eaten by the lights. And the LRMs can't help them because... Because they don't exist? It's strange, but LRMs can also cover allies. You can support your lights.
Well, more. Since there are no LRMs, then why AMS? 100% radar deprivation + ECM and no problems.
But okay. We run in circles.
It's just... It's an indirect nerf that seriously hit LRMs outside of the full party.
I don't know... I just don't see much LRM mechs now.
You actually get flamed and belittled if you get higher in the tiers. started in 3 and annoys the shit out of me. A game wit 1300 on vitric in a lrm boat. nobody cares (why should they). you are not dying first and they did so they can watch and start to flame you till the screen at the end pops up and you are the only one beyond 400 and last one to die desperatly brawling on short to mid even doing dmg there.
Thats why you dont see them besides you actually have to work for locks which is fine but drive speople away as well.
Ora avendo lo skill tree più chiaro potrò fare delle build più decenti... e mi verrà anche più voglia di giocare. Grazie.
3:37 The Blip comes when enemy loses the lock on you if i remember correctly.
Btw nice content, thx :)
wait...is that true? So its a good thing to hear that?
@@MrRayWolf It always has been like this. If they changed it then i've missed that.
The Blip helps a lot! You know an enemy had an eye on you. Without RadDepr you wouldn't know and the enemy would have a bigger advantage on you.
It helps with timing when peeking too.
Lol, I am glad you said that about LRMs. Totally agree... free points for players with no skills. Yeah, yeah, its 'fair' and 'part of the game' but it is still just mindlessly pushing a button to get free points. I have found though that Torso Pitch can help an assault when a light mech tried to leg lock you.
Very good info thanks. Unless i missed it, what about taking full ECM and radar dep nodes, like when ecm is countered/off or within site range? Is it a waste of nodes after taking ecm and 1 node to take more?
Such great content, I'm not bad at the game, but I'm no pro either, and I think this helps me get to a better level
people use skill tree codes?? wtf?? I've been rocking my own skill trees since the beginning. You just have to ask yourself what you need the mech for, and how hot your weapons are going to make you. If you're a missile boat, you will need lots of target requesition skills. If you're a fast beam boat, you will need speed, maybe jumps, a bunch of heat management, and armour/skeleton. If you're running a big bad assault, it's armour, heat management, movement stuff like torso rotation, acceleration, turning speed etc. It's simple really. Thanks for the vid tho!
I am getting into the game after 2 yrs break - assaults feels weaker (I got wrecked on the fresh assault with 0 skill points). Snubnose Urbie is crazy strong (got max 1200 dmg, average 600-800dmg). Missiles still wrecking the day (I dont like LRMs). I was playing lights a lot (but I do not specialize into one cattegory) so now is fine for me :). The game has changed, lasers feels like the weakest option (viable are smaller variants), dakka is OK, gauss feels weaker than before and snubs are OP as fck. ECM is nearly a must for me now. Climbing up in new tier system, atm in the middle of T3 (after 10 days of casual gaming). Thank you for the guides and info, really helps :)
What about radar derpevation now when it's 16% per node. Is it worse to take more then one node?
I was very sad as an LRM player first 10 minutes :(
Playing LRM because now have access to very old pc which freezing at active fights and shoot something is very tricky.
Also LRM boat is not that amazing - ppl know how to hide, ecm everywhere, piranhas all around and each time you got on map like Solaris 7 you can go afk.
But on Alpine Peaks - yeah, it's like heaven.
You get Alpine in rotation at all?
Very informative for newbies, thx for the work!
A great video! Thanks my friend!
what about seismic sensors to protect sinipers and heavies/assaults, specially the ones that are slow or not capable of defending their own feets? in case the attacking light has not a direct LOS to you. In this case the 200m (that include at least a turn or a very steep slope) can save you.
This happens very rarely. And an experienced player does not need it, just like the armor on the back.
One thing I noticed is people importing skill tree builds and not running the matching loadouts: for example using a skill tree build that has Coolshot Cooldown and Reserves, but only equipping a single Coolshot.
“If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.” most people are just too lazy to use their own brain man ,thanks for making this ,so maybe some people can learn something instead of just copyign someone elses build
Please, can you make a video explaining how ECM (with both nodes) works vs enemy distance and countermeasures (NARC, UAV, Active probes, etc)?
🔥as always!!!🥳👍🙌
"Quick Ignition? No." Sounds about right, yeah.
A lot of new players as of late, they could use this.
it was a long time since somebody started making these kind of technical videos to explain why to put certain weapons on certain mechs.
Most people play the game record and aploud it to yt and get good or bad results without any explanation why they used that weapon on that mech or end up on certain spot on some map.
Many thanks for this video! I will have to go through my skill trees again and adjust some things. I'm worried that I will do that after every patch now whenever nodes are getting buffed / nerfed.
Also sad to hear that your LRM proposal got voted down. It sounded very reasonable to me, since LRMs are so feast-or-famine right now. I would love to hear the reasoning of the people that disagree with you, but unfortunately it seems that you are the only cauldron member who is that vocal in public.
LRM for dumb vegetables
I almost never run IS. Didn't realize they had better buffs from the tree. Seems like that shouldn't be the case, imo.
What was your radar deprivation proposal that got down-voted? Can you provide a link to your forum post?
no, because it was an internal cauldron thing, i can not show outside stuff done inside....i could though make a video on my proposal
@@JGxDATA it would be interesting to see
@@JGxDATA That would be cool to see.
also 91 skill points independently of the weight class is very unrealistic: the heavier the mech, the more skill points should be available...
The sounds messed up
I feel like the videos haven't finished uploading yet
Jgx Chadta
The frustration. Man I've been there with work. Designing and Architecting proper solutions, only to have morons choose an easier way. I appreciate the brutal honesty. People are too soft nowadays.
la cosa del radar deprivation l'hai presa bene dai
Yeet!
It would be nice to have the possibility to create matches with custom rules so one can create modified play environment, so it would be easier to compensate some poor choices, like "radar deprivation" node cost and layout.
Needing codes?
Just give me 10% per each Torso Pitch node in my assault so I can fight lights.
Very good video, lots of good info
could use a little less salt thou
Your early assessment of LRMs is almost noob in itself. Every weapon has its place, I brawl a lot so I share your vision of them, but they have their place my man.
Using 9 points for 3 consumable slots is such nonsense. It is better to develop heat capacity, this will make it possible to heat up longer, use alpha strikes on hot builds and hot maps. And it is better to develop mobility instead of core survivability, this will save a lot of armor and hp.
nah, you are just wrong...but given the arrogance you just used i am not even going to teach you why (otherwise I would have helped you as i do with everyone)
LRMS are aimbot... Except you need to track with them for longer than laser spam, gauss, SRM, PPC, ballistics etc.... Yea... No aim required...
Barely any aim skill is required. literally the easiest weapon to aim with in the game its barely difficult enough to even be considered aiming, its why most people say it doesn't require any aiming skill at all.
"Brain dead Noobs huh?" maybe more content and less insults?....speaks to your professionalism.
yes, people who want aimbots to be as good as aim requiring weapons are brain dead, and i am not ashamed to call this out loud
small pulses don't need cooldown? lol cooldown is a flat dps increase for anything that can benefit from it, why wouldn't you??