Let's Talk About AIO Orientation... Again
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- Someone had to say it. This issue is being blown way out of proportion. Here's why.
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For those who need a TL:DR - Front-mounted, barbs-up radiator placement is _FINE_ a vast majority of the time. Unless your loop isn't filled correctly, air shouldn't incessantly circulate through your pump after the closed system has primed. The worst you'll likely experience in this config is a bit of noise at the top of the rad. But if pump whine persists, its very likely your loop wasn't properly filled/topped-off.
Question Greg, in the market for a 240 aio. Any suggestions on ones I should consider? Thanks for the great content.
That is true, with the exception of front mounted tubes up, AND still sitting below the pump. I just had to do an emergency recovery on a friends machine that died due to the AIO failing after just a few months because the rad was front mounted and sat below the pump, which left air bubbles in the pump and burned it out.
You're using a microphone, there's no need to yell the whole way through the video man.
@@mtnentertainment3454 ahh must not have been filled correctly 🙄
@@jblps probably the case. it was a cooler master after all...
Yes! The amount of times I've had to correct people is ridiculous! People only hear what they want to hear.
Great work mate!
You can’t correct Steve. Steve corrected you.
the reason barbs up is bad is because the air pocket at the top of the rad is competing for room in the intake tube thus limiting the amount of fluid that can flow to the cold plate thus making the fluid heat up more causing the while system to get warmer their for increasing the pump and fan speed to keep it cool also the warmer the fluid the warmer it make the tubes and when the tube are to warm permeation increases meaning the fluid will leach into the tubes more making the air pocket bigger and their for taking up more room in the intake tube further restricting flow and their for exacerbating the situation
THE MORE YOU KNOW
@Nick Diesal because automobiles are basically custom loops with reservoirs and are not what we are talking about hear we are talking AIOs with no reservoir they are similar but very different
@Nick Diesal also the majoritie of autos i see have the barbs down and the fill port up
@Nick Diesal you obviously did not read my first post yes orientation matters in an AIO because they fluid permutates the tubes making the air pocket inside gets bigger
if you have barbs up that air pocket sits at the level of the barbs and gets sucked into the tubes now even if the air never makes it to the pump the air pocket being sucked into the intake tube restricts the amount of fluid that can get into the intake tube meaning you are not getting the full flow of fluid having less fluid making its way to the cold plait means the fluid will actually heat up more meaning you pump and fans will kick in more to compensate
and the more your pump and fans run at higher speeds the sooner they weir out and fail
and no its not that hard to understand at all its basic hadronic theory i learned way back in high school
BTW im a trained hydraulic diagnostician so i do know a thing or two about hydraulics and fluid dynamics
I just pour water on my motherboard every now and then and my temps are so low
Funny af!
Do you get your money back for that.
ambient temps ✔
😂😂😂
Legend😂😂😂
People just love telling other people on the internet that they're wrong.
They want to force their opinions on others.. smh
Rong
You're wrong.
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Sorry I didn't want to miss the opportunity.
@@calvin. It’s not an opinion it’s just pure fact, front mounted barbs up is harmful and you’re stupid if you think otherwise
You’re totally wrong.
✍PUT✍MORE✍WATER✍
Yup, Note that. Two more thing: Reasonable price and simple cable management
I using a h510
Fix your cases lmao
Fix your marketing for the aio
Ya Mesh Front for more air flow will definitely fix it. Meshify 2 XL just nailed it.
It’s only a big deal now because Steve finally said something about it. He’s definitely one of the most respected opinions in the PC hardware community.
Yep. Problem is, people take his word and worship him as if it was spoken from God himself and even he has been getting supremely annoyed by it. (I vividly remember him mentioning in a video this crusading and how it's been greatly annoying him)
I think another problem was that Steve didn't give a Simple Summary at the End of video, and gave a full-on in-depth analysis on the whole subject, which most viewers would have skipped half the time (because not everyone could understand in-depth analysis), and only took in a few tit-bits from it and went on commenting on it to others.
@@Sup_D Yea. We get that some form factors are better than others with regards to positioning, but it's not that huge a deal unless your aio wasn't made properly at all or you mounted pump at the tippy top. Other than that 99.9% of people will be just fine.
@@Sup_D they saw "tubes up might not be okay for you" and took it as "if you have your tubes up at all, then you're CPU will catch on fire and the AIO will explode water" or something.
The main point in his video is to not have the pump be the highest point in the loop, the only downside to having tubes up, is that you MIGHT hear some sounds
Hordes of Loyal angry nerds pretty much
I support this video
luv u
Yes sirrrr
You support bubbling air through pumps. Lol
They do actually intentionally leave some air in AIOs for thermal expansion to reduce leaks. Water doesn't compress as well as air.
Water doesn’t compress at all.
Water does compress, but a very tiny bit.
@@wholebrain8457 not in this instance though.
@@wholebrain8457 water doesn’t compress, unless you have an insane amount of power, this is a tiny little pump in a computer, so definitely no water compression here
@@fatboi_6976 I agree. "Here" or "in this instance" are the keys to the point of contention.
"Air is less dense than water" - citation needed
www.sanfransentinel.com/densityofwaterandair.html
Air & Water are both less dense than the people making the 'Barbs up, You are wrong' comments 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Air at standard atmospheric pressure is less dense than water. Air under very high pressure is used to displace the water a submarine's ballast tanks to get it quickly to the surface in certain emergencies, so is it then more dense?
@@rangersmith4652 so your aio is a submarine? if air is more dense than water, and you fill your submarine tanks with air than water, your submarine would then go down deeper than actually going up, no?
Well said. Very frustrating seeing this nonsense blown out of proportion.
My AIO is barb up, front mounted, no issues. Only hear a bit of water movement when my PC first turns on, but beyond that, no issues. No idea that this was a thing.
Lol. I have my AIO mounted radiator at the top of the case and I still hear some gurgling for the first 30 seconds.
some manufactures have a lot more air in the loop than others. Up to 10% by volume.
Same: barb up, front mounted, no issues. just a bit of gurgling when it starts up or I start up a game. Only fan noise after that. I installed it that way because is was the easiest way to do so without twisting up the tubes or blocking space.
I had no choice, my case was a bit smaller than expected, so the AIO wasn't fitting top mounted. Had to move around fans, but the end result was much better than expected
I've had mine barb down ever since i installed due to me liking barb down aesthetically more. I don't hear gurgling but that could juat be my fans be loud. 😂
Such a non-issue - Steve is just a very informative guy with videos that really are in-depth - the only thing people should really worry about is to not mount the radiator at the bottom of the case.
This. This is the answer. Rad at the bottom is the problem.
wrong, the entire point of tSteves video was to show IDEAL mounting positions for the life of your pump. If you CAN you should avoid mounting with barbs up.
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This topic triggers me so much, thank you for setting the record straight. If a product is defective or ill designed I don’t want to baby it so it limps along anyway.
I think the confusion comes from over-complication, too much detail for most average builders. The most important take away is this: 1) Don't have the pump higher than the highest point of the radiator. 2) Ideal orientation is tubes at the bottom with the pump sitting midway in the radiator. 3) Top mount is the second most desirable if front mount, tubes down not possible. 4) Front mount tubes at the top is ok, just not ideal, as long as the pump is not higher than the radiator. 5) Always avoid mounting the radiator at the bottom.
I'm still waiting for The Verge to come with the best mounting solution 😂😂.
Thanks Greg👍
First you need the aio mounting applicator, *thats right we got one*
i have mine on the topside, been running for 6-7 years now, no issues with temps so far.
The only thing not addressed in this video that Gamers Nexus has is permeation. As a clc ages and more air permeates the loop, barbs down becomes the more optimal orientation.. I would argue that someone on a budget who needs an aio to last as long as possible should consider this. However, if a case only allows a 280 or 360 to be mounted tubes up, I personally would choose more cooling capacity. Especially since there are affordable aio options out there.
I think Steve was pretty spot on about the AIO stuff, but people keep getting upset about nothing. I currently use my 120mm AIO barbs up with the top above the block - and I got the AIO about a month or two before Steve's video (it is my first one!). What I found when I was experimenting with orientation was that placing the radiator below the block does in fact cause lots of noise and severely reduce the AIO's performance. By placing it barbs up, as Steve would suggest, the pump will make some noise for a short while until the bubbles settle, and when they did it became whisper silent. Honestly, I don't get why people keep getting so confused about what Steve said - if your AIO is making lots of noise, change the orientation dangit!
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"...and your channel just disappeared..." sounds like typical UA-cam behavior, unfortunately :-( Nonetheless, I appreciate your support! Welcome back!
wow that pc brought back memories i forgot I had
@@GregSalazar I built my PC based on that build, white pcb's, gpus and 0 rgb lol
I'll be honest, I flipped my radiator around with barbs on the bottom because I do care about noise in my room and I like to keep it as quiet as possible.
But I could do it because I had sufficient space in my system to do so, do not try to forcefully put your barbs down if you do not have enough clearance or cable length as you could create situations where your cables are subjected to intense stress from being very tightly squeezed and over time damage them.
Bottom radiator is still bad though, if it is the only place in your case where it fits, perhaps a new better case is in order.
the other point Steve made is that over time fluid loss occurs and that is where failures happen. so showing the lower fill is an important consideration. Long term that will cause more noise and then can cause failures. brand new AIOs are usually not going to be a problem until they have been used for a few years.
Exactly. Steve's point was for efficiency over time, not short-term. The longevity of the AIO is severely impacted through improper orientations.
Not everyone can afford to upgrade their PC every year or two, some UA-camrs (like this one) give me that impression that this is expected.
I'd suggest this guy to actually listen to what Steve said, instead of skipping over the video which seems obvious is what may have happened here.
I love when people say your loop will die quickly lol. I’ve had a Corsair h50 for 11 years and the tubes have always came from the top and it still runs just fine.
Really
The amount of people telling me to flip my rad so that tubes are down since building my first PC a month ago has been astounding. I tried to mount them down, as I watched that GN video before building my PC, but my case wouldn't allow it to fit that way. So now any time I post a picture of my build, I feel the need to preemptively explain that I understand tubes up isn't optimal, but it was the only way my rad would fit as a means to deter people from continuing to bark at me about it. Thanks for making this video hahaha.
I saw someone yesterday or the day before with this exact problem. His first build got recommended to people, and then people started flaming them because they thought they were magically experts because they watched one video.
Edit: he had an NZXT case and couldn't mount his rad upside down either.
This is what happens if you just watch videos without using this weird thing inside your head.
You should flip them
is ur aio doing fine still? and was it doing bad or is it peforming good
@@conscious2270 My AIO is fine a year later, never had any issues that I'm aware of. Never seen my CPU go above 70 or 80 degrees, even using Intel's CPU burn test software for like 20 minutes straight.
"Apologies for the audio"
The audio is perfect
I was a bit surprised in playback that the shotgun mic did as well as it did!
Actually the audio was rather thin, but still very listenable.
8:10 I don't think the manufacture put insufficient amounts of water in it, I think it's because they sawed it open.
I will take my AIO being front mounted and having better cooling performance over it being top mounted and performing less any day. As long as the rad sits higher than the pump it's fine and you shouldn't have to worry about the longevity of the pump.
100% agree
Laughs in custom loop, cries in maintenance
Ridiculous multiple tech UA-camrs have to keep reiterating this. Steve made it very clear tubes up top was more about noise than anything. It was great for me to see as I would occasionally hear like a squirt sound coming from my AIO, thinking it was about ready to die. Just flipping it over fixed that immediately. Made no difference to performance, just an occasional, brief, noise.
Unfortunately many AIO and case combinations don't allow for optimal positioning. The main concern is permeation of fluid out of the loop over time, but if your loop is filled properly this should be some considerable time down the road. In a suboptimal position permeation will cause issues earlier is all
Out of context compliment: those glasses fitted you well.
My old H100i did make some pump noises, probably due of old age and evaporation. I'm not too worried with my new H115i having the barbs up. IF I realize there's noise in the pump, then I'll try new configurations to see if it solves, otherwise, I'll simply RMA it.
Thing is, Steve is way too knowledgeable and the general public will misinterpret him, unfortunately
Guys sorry i can't come out and play today
I.... am having too much pump discomfort
Love that you addressed this. Keyboard warriors have been at me since that video came. 😵
Whatever orientation you are, we love you ✌😔
LOL good one m8
Nice one ahahahahaha
Since early 2018, I have had a system with a Cooler Master AIO front mounted with the tubes up and its still being used to game with to this day.
Front mounted, tubes at the top, pump below the top of the radiator - the exact configuration automobiles have used since their invention. Still works!
this aio debate is what made me change to a large tower cooler
Turns out tech Jesus has more in common with the real Jesus than we thought - an all-round good guy but some of his followers are nuts.
Dude no other tech tubers does the extensive work around pc parts more than tech jesus. You would be a fool to think otherwise.
@@masterdftw4983 I am a subscriber to GN and love Steve's content. I think he does great work and I think he did great work with his AIO placement video. That doesn't change a thing about my comments and Greg's video because we aren't talking about Steve. We're talking about the elements of GN's fan base that act like zealots and are misinformed about Steve's conclusions in his video.
@@masterdftw4983 you obviously didn't read his comment. He said Steve's followers. Not Steve.
So for the newbie like me, I’ve understood that aio means all in one, liquid cooler. Air always rises when it’s in water, so if the pump is above the radiator, air will inevitably be pumped through the pump itself because the pump is strong enough to push the air bubbles and the liquid. That can cause noise.
If the pump is below the radiator, either the radiator is on the side or it’s attached above on the top, in either case, air will not be pumped through because the air which will always rise is rising to an elevated position relative to the pump. So the pump in that case just pumps only the liquid and what ever air is in the system chills at the top. If the radiator is below then the pump is going to pump air bubbles with the liquid because the bubbles always rise. Alleviate that by putting the radiator above the pump.
very well said, greg! the mounting orientation "problem" has been overstated, when really, it wasn't as big of an issue as one might think.
Funny I had a Corsair AIO actually gurgle with a barb up mounting. It was after a year or so, but it did slowly get worse over its second year, but new build and new AIO solved the issue :). But that's only once in at least 5 or 6 AIOs I have used. I find they fail so often that you rarely get to that point due to permeation loss, in fact I went custom hard tube with my latest build. BTW thanks between your videos on hard tubing along with Jays, it was way easier then I expected. Serious awesome work!
I appreciate the support! Send a pic of your custom loop via Twitter/FB if you get a chance! Would love to see it.
@@GregSalazar Hey Greg thanks for the reply. Sent you three photos. 3900x, X570 Aorus Master, Vega64 Strix, 4x8GB Corsair Dominator, 10xML120 RGB fans, 3x360mm EK rads, Corsair HX1000 PSU along with corsair pump/res combo all run by commander pro. OH via FB message.
Thnx for addressing this. People are getting crazy about GNs video.
Thanks for this. I get about 10 comments a day on a pc build video I done about radiator position. Weird thing is I had about 200k views and not a single comment. The day Steve done his excellent video on this it all started. I’ll have to refer people to this, it explains everything.
Had to come back to this video, finished my build yesterday, used a H115i Platinum on my 5900x, had the tubes up with them coming from the bottom front mounted, killed my pump in just a day, was pretty frustrated and upset with the entire situation
Would love to start seeing transparent tanks on AIO's, even if it's just a sliver on top and bottom. This should improve customers' ease of mind and decrease returns/warranty claims, all while not even being able to see the transparent side in just about every case.
the "gurguling" sound is actualy kinda satisfying ngl.. you hear it only once in a while anyways😂🤷🏻♂️
Is it normal to have a short gurgle every few days? My rad is top-mounted and I almost never even notice the sound
Lol yea it’s kinda good cause it always at the beginning so you know your pump is working lol
@@lovesrc4296 How is bad? The top of the aio is still higher than the pump. Air will still stay at the highest posiiton LOL. Its probably just water shooting from the Tube. Btw by "once in a while" i mean like twice a day :)
I literally NEVER heard a noise from my AIO and it’s front mount tubes up.
had my corsair 240 aio since 2011 and its still going strong.
Good to hear, now I just have to figure out how to fit in my 280 AIO.
Yoooo AIO top mounted-exhaust-gang rise up
@Clark Majewski Yeah but i have my thing undervolted anyway. Also i have a 30 series FE card, so it cools it down as well.
4:36 So really Greg is holding a Corsair 360mm Convectionator
That was painful to listen to
@@matthewmcewen1 I'm going to call them convectionators from now on, it sounds like a term from an alternate reality. And fans are now called blowers. "The Buccaneer D150i Elite, with a 360mm convectionator and three 120mm high static pressure blowers"
soupwizard 😂😂
"Behold, Perry the Platypus! My Convectionator! I, um, don't really know what it does."
@@soupwizard with words like that you could easily charge $750
I like to put mine on the top because 1. I think it gets the tubes "the most out of the way" and thus looks better. 2. When you only have one radiator, its purpose is to exhaust heat, and I prefer to exhaust out of the top and intake in the front.
bro this helped me SO much. comments sections are a goddamn mess, and i appreciate you taking the time to make this informative video to help
I use a "Lian Li PC-T60B" open air test bench as my daily case, I modified it & added a 120mm XSPC radiator bracket in the front of the case in order to mount my 120mm AIO for my EVGA RTX 2080ti XC Gaming Hybrid. I tested tubes up,down,sideways ect. I found out in the end it does NOT matter which direction the tubes on your AIO are facing & I ended up putting the tubes sideways for a cleaner look & better tube routing.
Was waiting for you to pop off on this one
There are a few additional factors that you may want to consider, such as environment the cooler is placed in and age of the aio cooler. My aio was fine for a little over a year before I started having temp issues on my CPU. I am in a very dry environment and at 6000+ feet above sea level. Once I switched my radiator I noticed an immediate improvement. I also work my cpu pretty hard doing transcodes and some advanced video stream analysis and rarely turned my pc off. I think all of these factors play a part in why it was much better for me to switch the radiator positioning.
what position did you have it on and to what position did you eventually switch it to??
@@MrFreekyJ Originally bards up. Moved to barbs down.
@@workshed556 cheers
Guess I didn't have to worry at all since I would just mount the radiator on the top....
The best position imo.
Rad, top mounted and with a small spacer on the side that your pipes are mounted is the easiest way to mount an AIO. Would be great if manufacturers began to create a mount that gives the small incline that spacers do in order to solve the issue for everyone.
Most people would prefer the radiator level, purely for aesthetics.
@@rangersmith4652 Absolutely. But with the rad top mounted and if the spacer is thin enough, you won't have a visible line to see through your glass.
Agree it could look bad if done poorly though.
Manufacturers could easily create a mount that would work aesthetically or (much more work) redesign the rad internally to have the small incline required.
we need to dig deeper on how much a closed loop is really filled... Because it gets emptier with time, but how much? some units die at 1-2 year some 5 years and still working?!
You will have to buy one of every AIO (even every Asetek) & run them all for years to do this test,
except for Enermax AIOs as it only takes about a year for them to grow gunk that will kill them 🤢🤮
My current AIO on the rig I'm typing this comment on is 6 years and no issues. When I say 6 years, this thing may have been turned off for like 4 weeks in 6 years. I don't stress the system too terribly much but temperatures have been relatively stable and no noise. I do watch it a bit more carefully nowadays though. I also know the last revision the manufacturer did with this particular model fails horribly on a regular basis. That's why I'm not recommending it by name. So not all AIO's are made the same and some are just better. Except Enermax, they are just hot garbage.
Thanks for the content glad you came out and expressed how you felt about the subject matter - This helps me to feel more confident about how I’m going to mount my AIO here shortly.
Great video Greg.
I have my rad front mounted tubes up and I got a lot of reddit comments saying to flip it.
So I went and watched the GN video and their follow up Video and Steve clearly states that it's a noise issue not an issue with the pump.
I think people just hear what they want to hear or only half listened, and I don't know what to show how smart they are?
Also my AIO is running fine with no noise issues.
Did you screw holes into your radiator like real pros do? Cause I do!
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Just remember to screw with confidence.
@@avila.juan927 he not fighting static, he fighting cancer! haha
I'm a Hydraulic Technician that builds mining equipment and the "gurgling" you're talking about is called cavitation. In a hydraulic system it's the sound of thousands of dollars of hydraulic pump being destroyed slowly by lack of lubrication
In a computer, it's a minor potential annoyance.
First AIO I owned, replaced the tubes with clear tubing and added a reserviour so that I could always top it up. Of course made sure to use some verge zip ties to ensure no leaks and add to the jankiesness of the overall look.
Well, I disagree with the performance impact being rare. The point is that, contrary to what many techtubers seem to believe, most people don't replace components like these every year or 2. Especially true for the people that need to watch build video's to teach them how to build their PC. It is about mounting it such that also after many years it still works as best as it can. I have personal experience with several old-ish systems (like 5-6 years range) where the AIO performance was significantly impacted because of this exact situation.
I agree that the whole thing is taken out of context too often. The pump will indeed be fine.
I thought this horse was beaten to death weeks ago already.....
I think you underestimate how much air is in a clc. Out of the 3 I had, all of them experienced at least a noise issue when mounted tubes up. (yes, with the pump lower than the tank) This isn't that big of a problem, but after a year there can be a lot more air in a loop. The 120mm cooler master radiator I used in a friends pc had up to 10°C lower temperature with the tubes on the bottom and immediately stopped making noise.
I don't judge normal people for putting their radiators this way, but when tech-influencers and system integrators do it I consider them to be a bad example. I know many people that didn't even consider mounting their radiator tubes down instead and I suspect that to be because they have seen them mounted that way on pictures by system integrators and videos on youtube.
Sometimes a different mount isn't possible. My case for example dosent really fit my Radiator in any other way. Or sometimes the tubes are too short.
I built a custom system with 4 inline 12 volt pumps, about 10 feet of clear tubing, 3 inline peltier devices, and all this was incorporated into a corsair 115i system. With the peltier devices, I can keep the coolant at about 6 degrees Fahrenheit below ambient room temperature, with the processor bouncing between 1 and 3 percent. It also has a flow indicator, and a clear reservoir mounted to the front of the PC. I have no more single point pump failure worries, or air pocket worries.
This is exactly the video I needed to see. I bought a new 360mm AIO and the clearance up top wasn't enough to clear the exhaust fan or front fans without crushing the tubes so I opted for a front panel aio but the tubes wouldn't fit past the gpu and the psu shroud and could only be mounted with barbs up top. But after seeing GN video I was hesitant as I didnt wanna break my aio. Im glad this has put my mind at ease and have now got it set front panel with barbs up in a push-pull configuration. Thank you
Getting a prebuilt from Best Buy today 😁😁
I'll say a prayer.
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@@GregSalazar LMAO
2020, the year when humans have collectively decided to argue about all in one liquid coolers in their gaming machines.
My AIO died today after 2 years of being front mounted with tubes up. Started making a grinding noise and CPU temps hit 80c at idle.
Front-mounted barbs up in an NZXT case for over 4 years, no weird noises, no funky temps, no problems
The only cooling I'll ever need is the Hyper Evo 212.
I switched back to my 212 after using a 280mm aio for nearly 5 years. I forgot how quiet it is and doesn't lose out in cooling.
@@JohnSmith-hv6ks yea mate,buy a good aio...if u want silent....
@@JohnSmith-hv6ks ago 5 years aios were not too good
What I understood right away after watching one or two videos of Gamers Nexus is that they are overly critical about almost anything, which isn't a bad thing per se, but should be kept in mind when taking their word as gospel
I can understand some people get confused, tbh I don't entirely understand it either, on the one hand it was said that the pump must never be the highest point, then in the next part it is said radiator intake down is better vs radiator intake up whilst that potentially makes the pump at equal height or worst the highest point, which again is said to be bad.
Eh it doesn't really matter for me to understand or not, my aio is fitted horizontally at the top which is definitely a good position so whatever.
I just switched to a Corsair pump and I had to mount it tubes on top for it to fit in an h500. I occasionally here the water moving for a split second, but that's it. And I think that's usually right when it first turns on. So thanks for letting me know not to worry too much about it.
Side Note the RGB on it is amazing totally blew my mind.
This is why I love my MSI Magcore. The pump is in the radiator so there is no wrong way to place the thing.
no gurgling noise!
I've dealt with MSI, NZXT, Corsair, AND Cooler Master AIOs, and MSI has really dug into 1st place for me because of that pump/rad unification.
lol I was quite literally researching this all weekend because I posted a picture in a forum of what I wanted my future rig to look like and got RIPPED by some keyboard warriors telling me I'm going to ruin my machine.
I've always been under the impression front mounted AIOs can have tubes to the top. Thanks for the clarification, glad I'm not an crazy.
yes, BUT WHY! WOULD YOU WANT THAT! wouldn't you just want piece of mind!? and NO! you shouldn't have your tubes up that is THE WHOLE POINT OF STEVES VIDEO!!! 🙄it will most likely cause pump whine and or premature pump death. ... or you could flip it to tubes down where there is NO CHANCE OF A BAD FLOW SITUATION! WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT THE PIECE OF MIND!?😑😑😑that everything is in the optimal orientation! 🤦🤦♂🤦♀...fml
I'm glad this comment from 2 years ago got you so riled up. Hope your blood pressure is okay.
Linus has had multiple videos where he has apologized to Steve for not having the "ideal" configuration. That didn't stop him from mounting it in the front of the case. Great video as always Greg.
Does anyone watch LTT for any data? Lol
I think it’s really funny that there are also these “Idiots” that take it to a whole new level … I have seen the “barbs up is bad” comments on videos of people doing custom loops … while in fact in a custom loop it’s a smart thing to do since it will make bleeding your loop a lot easier … and will prevent air from getting stuck where you don’t want it
My is mounted in the front with the hoses at the top with no issues for over a year, People want some thing to talk about even if they do not know any thing about the subject.
Wish I watched this before I cut into my psu shroud to go barbs down.
Thank you! I'm so tired of reading all the "you mounted it wrong hurrdurr" on so many build videos. I'll forward people to this video from now on
I care more about warranty, then how I mounted my aio. Well said Greg 👋😬👍
I think it’s funny that the guy calling him an idiot couldn’t spell wrong correctly 😂
He also couldn't spell "idiot"
Fair enough, but I'd rather air never go through my pump, so tubes down it is.
Watched almost the entire video and still don't know the best way to install this thing. Thanks.
No idea how ya missed that. Almost everyone here seems to have picked it up just fine. Literally said in the video that any orientation in which the pump is _not_ the highest point in the closed loop is fine :-)
@@GregSalazar Yeah sorry, I'm sure it was in there somewhere. Guess I was just looking for a bad, good, better, best layout part of the video and it never came.
As somebody, who was engineering hydraulic pumps for aircrafts: not overheating by bubbles is dangerous to liquid pumps, it’s rather what is called pump cavitation or hammering. Pump paddles are hitting the bubbles and this degrades the pump paddles over longer time..
Cavitation isn't much of a thing in these tiny Asetek pumps.
I had a 360 beQuite! AIO and it was front-mounted with tubes at the top. The water level dropped after a year and air got in the pump and it burned out :( Thankfully beQuite! support was good and replaced it with their best air cooler (because that AIO was discontinued) Never an AIO again.
@@PapaMav Well no moving parts no problems
@@PapaMav Both types of coolers have fans. Also with a broken fan the air cooler it will still perform as a passive cooling tower until you notice it (if you notice it). Idk how an AIO performs with broken fans. Broken pump though and your CPU will hit 90+ C. Warranty wise I had a good experience but maybe that's cause I live in Europe. Also a DOA should be covered by the store as far as I know.
@@SilenceGProd you cant passive cool a CPU! My Noctua NH-D15 once had a broken fan and my CPU jumped to 50C idle
while watching some how it's made videos on aio's it showed them using a vacuum pump to remove the air, and then suck the water into the loop, to remove as much air from the loop as they can while still remaining cost effective.
glad you did this though, it really felt like the gamernexus video was too much scare tactic than anything else.
still prefer my cooler up top, (not because it's best) I like having my front as intake to help the gpu more.
One personal case F.Y.I. - I have an AlphoCool EisWolf GPU block/pump and radiator. This was installed barbs up (only way it would fit) and pump about 2/3 the way up the radiator. In my case, apparently a big bubble was sucked into the pump inlet, noise happened (I was there when it happened) and the flow stopped. The pump just spun wildly; I could see the RPM on the MB fan reading to which the pump was connected at around 6000RPM; as if connected to nothing. GPU would overheat. No cooling. I assumed the pump broke. Removed and disassembled the entire block/pump. Tested and the pump. It was fine. Reinstalled the whole thing. Refilled. Worked fine. This would not happen in better configurations or if completely filled. I should have tested out of the case prior to disassembly. Still, barbs up can still push enough air to the pump to make it fail without repositioning. Some people, like me, would assume it's broken This will cause issues.
As someone who ownes an nzxtg x53 for years now the default set up advertised worked fine for me no sound or performance issues to this day.
I have an easy solution to fix the confusion regarding AIO orientation:
USE AIR COOLING! :P
Or just mount it up in the case.
@@merwinpique You act like every case in existence has the possibility to do so.
@@ninetenduh No I don't.
And that's the problem, people misinterpreting things... as usual. Steve never said front mount barbs up was bad. He merely said it's not ideal. And now you've got these internet experts leaving comments saying "mounted your AIO wrong" or "fix your AIO" and other non-sensical crap. Seems two people already felt attacked.
If you look at 6:38 in the video where Greg is watching Steve's video, and look at the timeline at the bottom, Steve literally marked that orientation as bad. This was a stupid decision on Steve's part. I think he should have used words like optimal and suboptimal. It's a lot harder to take that out of context
@@Extem1 that is a different situation and that situtation is bad because pump is above tanks
@@dushanbebbddhdhdjsjs715 He talks about more than one version of that configuration in that section, both pump above barbs and pump below barbs. Both are marked as bad in the timeline when really it should have been broken up
@@Extem1 To be fair, I think he was talking more about the pump being at the top of the loop that the barbs being up. Granted, you're right. I can see how that could be misconstrued by people. Especially if that was their only takeaway and they didn't actually watch or pay attention the whole video.
@@TheGameBench exactly. Not his intention, but unfortunately had the effect. When making an instructional or informational video, presentation, speech, etc, you should generally try not to make it easy for people to take it out of context
I’d like to see an “intro to PC gaming” beginner series/playlist by you I’m new to the channel and like how in depth you are in each video I’ve seen so far
Where I work, manager's main reason why we should put the radiator at the top is for the computer to "look good" and "because steve says so". Of course, I disagree. I have mine installed at the front because having the cpu cooler by 20c is more beneficial. Never had any issues with noise or pumps as my AIO is still kicking for more than 2 years.
3 years of checking RMAs as well. Some have broken RGBs, some returned with broken pumps but looking back I assume it's because of the MATX or MITX case where the pump really is higher than the radiator.
Steve's videos are almost filled with lots of cult followers. Who would agree with whatever he says. Even if what he says is sometimes wrong.
Sounds like he can make a religion out of this...
It's more that people take what he says to the extreme and take it out of context. He made a follow up video on it and went through and clarified his points about it, even stating the fact that people we're taking it way too far.
My anecdotal evidence disagrees, i've had 3 AIO pumps die (less than 2 years) from the barbs up config. No issues with AIO fully above pump. I own too many PCs
Were all 3 the same AIO? If you are getting 8 months out of one I imagine you were getting a warranty replacement, though I don't really know what kind of warranty the different brands offer.
stop buying shitty AIOs and you won't have a problem. I used mine for 3 years and never had a single problem, even while overclocked
@@kevindellatore shitty like corsair h105, h110 x2........yep bud
@@--_DJ_-- 2x h110 and a h105 corsair
H105 failed fine now changed orientation, H110 warranty looked new but failed again different PC now a D12
i think it make sence why the air is in AIO. based on thermodynamics the hot temperature expanding the size of the liquid so instead of create the high pressure on tubes and connectors (rubber silings) is much easier to compress an air inside the loop. i think is less risky that way so there is litle chance for leak or who knows the tubes comes off. the AIO are generaly design for all enviroment so the temperatures and be diferent and diferent scenario. a bit air is safe for changing preasure inside the loop.
Yep, I front mounted a Z73 on my wife's PC with absolutely no issues. It's the coolest
PC in the house with a gorgeous LCD display.