Because we Britain declared war so they had no choice but to remove the threat from the west which included passing through the Netherlands to do that.
Nobody takes somebody at their word anymore due to how many pathological liars are running around. Now, if you even cite personal examples as reasons for why you vote a certain way, it's met with "LOL no source/citation", from what? CNN? Life experience IS a 'source', even if it's only seen as credible to the person that experienced it.
I kinda felt like the germans were making a fair, educated point until she mentioned the Netherlands and they were like oh helll yea we marched into that shit lmfao
@@aurorasdawn4681 The British and french allowed germany to take austria and czechia. They even told them that if they retreated from Poland, there would be no war. But the germans refused. Then they didn't even invade germany and just sat on their asses for 6 months. That sound to you like they wanted war?
@@adrianshephard378 That's wrong. Their demands went far beyond retreating from Poland and included the secession of Austria from Germany. I.e. reversing what Hitler considered his greatest achievement which would have to be carried out against the will of the Austrian people. Also, the French already invaded Germany in September 1939 but retreated because the Wehrmacht was ordered to retreat as well without a fight. After that, it took some time to organise the Allied troops from all over the world, deploy the British Expeditionary Force, prepare the invasion of Norway etc. They attacked once they had finished their preparations in spring 1940. You're not completely wrong though. Many allies were indeed reluctant to go to war. The British government, for example, was split almost 50/50 between pro peace/pro German voices (like Edward Wood and Neville Chamberlain) and pro war/pro Jewish voices (like Leslie Hore-Belisha, Anthony Eden and Winston Churchill). But any chance of making peace was gone when Winston Churchill came to power in May 1940 since he explicitly declared to refuse any kind of negotiations with Germany.
@@raptor96 its actually a more thought-through response as it might seem at first since the German government set an ultimatum for the dutch government to allow German troops to secure the borders from allied landings which wasnt met (in time) and resulted in the Netherlands being occupied.
@@imGeistevereint its not really that deep. The old men whined and complained about how their people were brutalised yet made fun of the people who they themselves brutalised
@@sarubet8725 Maybe if you could understand German then you could actually understand the tone he was speaking in. Some words aren't translated as they should be iether and lead to a false image in your imagination
Thats the only thing the globalist elite understands, force, yes the nationalists lost but i tell you what...... the international elite knew they had been in a real fight when it was over.
No it was a disaster German forces lost the battle of The Hague with many losses . And when the Germans not capture the city of Rotterdam they bombed it with many losses of life.
@@evanderdelarosa462 Those "ole boys" caused a whole lot more piles of dust with their actions. Piles, more like tons upon tons of dust. "It's just history" Yeah, it clearly was just history to the woman in the video, right? What's more, it's more than just history due to the relevance it has for all these Wehraboos and full-blown Nazis here on UA-cam. You don't speak out against them, you make them stronger by ignoring them. What was that quote again about evil only needing good men doing nothing against it? It's in one of the Call of Duty games, even.
Why are people so shocked that these men defend their actions? Ask the French of this Generation what they were doing in Indochina, the Dutch what they were doing in Indonesia, the British what they were doing in India and Africa. None would tell you that they did anything wrong.
but finally now - the colonists are admitting 'a bit' - even the english now barely admitting what they did to Ireland for centures & the genocide of Native Americans & Canadians indians - Ask a Canadian today if they think they did anything wrong in the genocide of their Indians AND get out of the way with the back lash one is going to hear - OMG! fascinating conversation - on u tube - wow - blessings all & Happy Summer, Everyone!
@@ocaphoenix5347 There was no British genocide against the indigenous populations of North America (They are not "Indians"). Between the days of Columbus and the arrival of the British, 90% of them had passed away because of three reasons: Columbus and his men, wars between the tribes themselves, but mostly of disease brought from Europe.
Unlike Germany in WWII, the British and French did not commit a holocaust. Also, the lady asking them is from the Netherlands, so she had every right to be outraged.
@@capitaldcolon1795 She is a professor at Utrecht University at the moment. Quite a good one as well actually, specialised in terrorism, the history of securization and international relations. Did two masters and a Phd so not spoiled, hard work.
@@NorthernWolf910 Your English teacher was incompetent, then. "It's" with an apostrophe is a contraction of "It is", whereas "its" is a possessive pronoun.
@@den343 Other narratives? When people understand that Germans and Japanese were really evil and have crazy ideas. I am against Western Imperialism, but the axis were another level.
True but he still made his point clear. The Germans respected the Geneva convention at least the Wehrmacht(vast majority of the time). The Soviet regular army didnt. Partisans don’t answer to the Geneva convention and aren’t soldiers so there’s not much you can do about it other than deport their families. Allies did the same thing
@@Wilhelmofdeseret And the french, who absolutely sucked during WWII, used the Goumiers, an "army" of North africans soldiers who commited some of the most orrendous war crimes during WWII. The Americans wanted to stop them, but someone said "You are here to fight Germans, not french".
The French did not suck in World war 2 there troops in general fought very well, Their problems in 1940 were the fault of the constant change in governments during the 1930s, those Governments preferred Commanders in Chief who left them alone and Gamelin placed his headquarters in a Chateau that had no telephone lines nor radios. he had to use motorcycle couriers to carry messages to and from his communications center some 15 minutes away.
@@ALaKouji Yet both killed civilians. Hunted for them. This distinction in combination with the fact that he still believes the old propaganda is showcasing how badly they're brainwashed.
@@ALaKoujiyet both murdered and hunted civilians and political opposition. This distinction in combination with the fact that he still believes the old lies is showing how bad they're brainwashed. All my answers are disappearing:/
Warning this comment is somewhat long, if you don't like context and analogies of Historical Significance from a historian of 12 years study/work, stop reading now: Imagine you have two sworn enemies named Fasces and Comisky, Fasces strikes Comisky first and you see this as a grand oppurtunity for a temporary alliance against Fasces, and eventually you defeat Fasces with Comisky. But now Comisky is stronger than before and threatens and fights you while Fasces with sad amusement tells you how you chose the wrong enemy to ally yourself with. Comisky is worse than Fasces tenfold. I gave the best example of how communism came on the rise as an increased World Power. You think the Holocaust was bad? The Gulags make the concentration camps look like Camp Green Lake. America chose the worst of the enemies it faced to ally itself with. And look at us now as Americans, literal self neutering, self hatred, illogical hatred towards each other, acceptance of sexualization of children, inflation, crippling debt....all because we chose Comisky over Fasces. Comisky took over the schools to "educate" us on his agenda, and a lot of us Americans are getting fucked over by these "Educated" people because Comisky knew that he couldn't face America without heavy losses and/or defeat. Subjugate and indoctrinate the young to tear the country from the inside before invading it, because we all know that invading a country unites its people, but break the people before invasion and you have won without setting a single troop on the beaches. Not saying Fascism is better than Communism, just merely stating that Hitler had 0 interest to fight a pacifist country (America) and if Imperialism did not attack Pearl Harbor and relinquished their territorial gains, Germany and Russia would have torn each other apart, most likely Germany would have lost still, but Russia would have no power left to hold the vast territories it had held pre Cold War, therefore Communist dominance in Eastern Europe would not exist and communism would have fallen like the Russian Empire after the string of failures and losses fell on Ioseb Jugashvili (Joseph Stalin) like they had on Czar Nicholas II. In an ideal world that would've happened.
Scumbag liars. Those "Boslheviks" they were "fighting" were all in labor camps and jailed for crimes. And they started their career by German industrialists sponsoring them and hauling gold for Jewish and other mercenaries in St. Petersburg. Lenin got caught with documents that clearly show that he was an agent of German intelligence.
All of Europe united to battle Bolshevism, the Indians and Arabs included. The European Volunteer Movement. Besides that, even before the war, National Socialism was like a renaissance across Europe, and many nations formed similar movements analogous to Hitler's. It was the natural human progression, and a new Europe was forming! Unfortunately, the opposite powers were too powerful and too cunning to allow this transformation to occur.
2:27 I bet that Guy wanted to say "Ausschreitungen von einzelnen Soldaten hat es gegeben, aber nicht in diesem großen Maße" "Incidents from some German Wehrmachtsoldiers happend but not in this dimensions"
Aeschylus.....In War the first casualty is the truth.......Senator Hiram Johnson is credited with the more modernized...Truth is the first casualty in War
My father was a Wehrmacht Veteran of the Eastern Front. He survived the Battle of Kursk. He'd had told you pretty much the same thing if he were alive today.
This is what Finnish veterans always say. They protected the Nordic countries against the soviets all alone. Finland was the only German ally that wasnt conquered.
Finland did pretty well for themselves and managed to survive the winter war, allying with their Germans, and then still keeping the Soviets from taking too much of their land or occupying them. Mannerheim and Rytti had to make tough decisions but what they did was for the good of the Finnish people. Still think it’s funny that in one talk, Mannerheim smoked in Hitler’s face; being an aristocrat he saw Hitler as some devil upstart.
Finland has been let down by the rest of Europe. Perhaps because they couldn't make a commitment, or didn't want to argue with Russia at the time, which they hoped to make an ally. Germany was an aggressor, but Russia had already set its eyes on Finland and Northern Europe. The tensions were there much earlier. Finland protected itself and they were brave people.
@@Salsadans123 Even as a non nazi sympathizer, you can`t deny that germany saved europe from the soviet union. Obviously with their own interests in mind and not out of pure protectionism but still. Without germany the warswa pact would have ended with spain.
The Chinese and Japanese veterans are still arguing about what happened during WWII in Asia. War is hell, and it is initiated by a few and suffered by many.
The winner can dictate to the world what is written in history books and what isn't. And they can of course blame the defeated party, claiming they were "innocent" themselves. Just look at the bloodthirsty history of the British and the Americans and their Communist dictator friends, and you'll see how "Innocent" they are. Lol Allies are warmongers and liars.
@Osas Saso Take it easy and relax. Internet can be traced back to 1960's, and later on Bill Gate, Steve Jobs, - - - , etc. and many talented scientists and Engineers all contributed to the success of its worldwide applications. It is a powerful tool thanks to those western allied countries who made it happened.
I think the critical question in this blameful discussion, was about civilians as war-combatants in civil clothes. No army in the whole world, tolerated fighting civilians, neither the anglo-american Military forces, nor anyone else! The Americans for instance announced in the beginning of their occupation in Germany, to execute 200 Germans for one American killed.
When I was a senior in high school (USA, 1995-96) my Geometry teacher was from Austria and fought for the Reich. Every Friday after our test, he would tell us stories about the war from the German side. I only remember how emotional everyone got and how much we enjoyed the stories. Unfortunately, I can't remember any specifics of what he told us. He was a wonderful teacher though, and the best math teacher I ever had. He called our homework "Your entertainment for this evening." Most students nicknamed him "Grandpa Schwarzenegger," because of his accent.
In the early to mid 1990's I met my extended born German family members and a few WW II veterans. Other than the shakes you can get from old age, they all had shell shock.
There were hundreds of thousands of Russians fighting with Germany against bolshevism too. They were naïve not to realise average Russians would have saw it as an invasion of their home
@@whomstdvent4844 You're naive for assuming that the Germans weren't just using them as expendable bodies. It's well known they weren't fans of Slavs. Many crimes would have been committed in eastern Europe even if the Russians were communist.
@@radacious29 I'm not denying that, only the 3rd wave of the Waffen-SS viewed Russians and Slavs as equal, most high ranking Germans despised Slavs and Russia. I'm saying that to not expect resistance to an invasion of their homeland was naïve, as if magically they were going to denounce bolshevism and throw flowers at their feet like they did in Ukraine.
@@whomstdvent4844 There weren't nowhere near "hundreds of thousands of Russians" among German ranks. It's questionable if there were any at all. Quit selling this narrative that Barbarossa was some liberation of the Slavic people from communism. The Nazis hated Slavs and planned to eradicate and enslave them (Generalplan Ost).
Americans don't have the consept of the nation nor the motherland. In most other parts of the world, people go to war to defend their countries, wives and children. There're no such politics more important than your motherland and your family. At least that's what is most important for me or someone who is not American.
@@efe9625 BULLSHIT - what tree did you fall out of, Efe? Must have hit your head VERY hard and can’t think straight anymore. Get yourself off to a brain doctor, you need a lot of help.
@@unclejoeoakland waaaay less pithy though. One also need to express that. But I appreciate this comment a lot more than the one where the silly moo was telling me the "laws in Brussels are not the same as in Cicero" or something to that effect... Gotta love the internet, eh
Many of them after the war supported the Soviet Union over the US as they believed liberalism and not Marxism-Leninism would be the downfall of Europe, how right they were.
"War has its own laws"... Very convenient to ignore when justifying your own country's behavior. Even more convenient to use when trying to criticize the Russians and justify your own "necessary" invasions.
They raped women German didn’t sure some may have but there were laws on that. Bolshevism didn’t give a fuck about right and wrong. Russian Bolshevists invaded Germany and pillaged men and woman in villages in thousands. Germany never was first to invade and offered multiple peace offering to England at the same time as well. The only issue they had was that bolshevism is a dirty evil movement for years
@@paulmonn7988 damn you guys wanna talk gaza everywhere right Where were you during the syrian war? Where were you when the muslim minority in China is being killed in camps? Where were you during all the other endless conflicts in the middle east and in africa? (too many to count) You were nowhere. Now shut your mouth. Go figure
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng read full history about Indonesian history. How Netherland came into southeast asia. I think you still don't know/understand about Indonesian and southeast asian history
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng really? Your vision about Indonesia being better if it had remained a dutch colony indicating how little you know about the history. At first, VOC is the one who run the entire thing, it means all its purpose is just to have wealth as much as they could. One of obvious thing is : Indonesian education during netherland era was so bad, so many workforce, slavery, etc. Meanwhile, when England colonized a country, they educate the people, giving them a better chance. Then i'm taking your first comment, just to clarify, Indonesia only allied with Japan in the first arrival of Japan in Indonesia. Before that, there were a lot of resistance done by Indonesians. Indonesian allied with Japanese just because Indonesia don't have much choice knowing the netherland had a better technology. Indonesia declared its independence alone without support from both Japan and Netherland (Japan forbade the declaration of independence). And fight the invading netherland without Japan. So what is your extensive knowledge about?
Dutch soldier when my country(dutch colonies back then and now indonesia) invade by them again ,they force women to be they're wife because they not had any women or far from netherland.Still no one put them in jail ,there is some incident i sulawesi ,around 45.000 men killed by the dutch ,well i belive if dutch still in they're colonies ,there will be a racial problem and communism will easy take over all the east asia because they want to kick out imperialism such as dutch.
It such a refreshing change NOT to hear "we were just following orders." Its important to show this film because it is truth, how many Germans thought in the post war world. This is important for remembering real history in the future.
@@brettm7345 you know what you're right, I was conditioned to believe I don't deserve to die because I'm not white. It's all because I was conditioned that I considered this wrong.
yea I think it’s important we not hear excuses and lies that make all these soldiers seem innocent, when in reality many held the same beliefs as schmitler
@@MC32595 thats fucking bullshit the wehrmacht was 18 million men strong most of them were between 17 and 25 years old which means that most couldnt have possibly voted for adolf hitler in the first place ( who by the way only very closely wont the election ) they were soldiers who had a job to do thats it
The victors wrote the history books. On closer examination it turns out that the victors imposed genocidal retribution and called it "justice." Everybody was a loser except The State of Israel.
@@baronzemo420 in the war directly, yes. But think of it more long term. Germany today is wealthy and prosperous, and I’d argue that it’s faaaar better off now than it would be had we won the war
@@satyagrahaahahahaa what a ridiculous statement, Germany was split into two and systematically destroyed and it’s native population has been infiltrated by millions and millions of islamists and third world immigrants. Germany is totally lost
"You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest." Winston Churchill - Emrys Hughes, Winston Churchill - His Career in War and Peace, p. 145
"It's said that in the first week after they (Soviets) took Berlin all women who ran were shot and those who didn't were raped.I could have taken it if I had been allowed." General Patton.
@@wewillovercome2133 Exactly, and when you say this people think it is a conspiracy. You can see it's affects on America today with the rise of Bolshevism and Marxism.
@@wewillovercome2133 In May 1945, General Eisenhower (who had publicly promised to abide by the Geneva Convention)illegally forbade German civilians to take food to prisoners starving to death in American camps.He threatened the death penalty for anyone found feeding the prisoners.
there is no punishment for the Germans for raped and killed soviet girls on eastern front.According to user @Heinisauerkraut said: My Grandpa was a military pastor with a rank of a major in the German Wehrmacht . Then | was a young boy ( about 1980 , I was 10 ) he took me and my older brother hiking , because he mapped wild graves of unknown soldiers who were fallen in the last days of the war , mostly from strafing fighter planes . He organized that they were put in proper graves in local graveyards and was later honored for this work . There he told us many stories about the war , especially in the east . Until almost the end of the war he had no own front line experience , but many soldiers came to him to confess their own experience to get some relive from the horrible things they saw or did . It took some years to really understand the things he told us . He told us , that the main difference between the campaign in France was , that you were at risk to get court martialled and shot if you stole only a chicken . In Russia you could steal , rape and murder without any punishment , because of the Führerbefehl . He told us , that most soldiers wouldn't have done it normally , but they almost did never anything against these crimes , and sometimes they helped or even joined , because of peer pressure . Some commanders forbade their soldiers to rape and kill civilians , but the only thing they could do was to put these soldiers into other units . And even the commanders who acted against rapes and murders , allowed or even encouraged to confiscate any food from the civilian population , so that they were condemned to starve to death . The result was almost the same in the end . He told us , which is now in accordance to my own experience , that were are only a few people are really evil , but on the other side there are also only a few people morally good . Most people are opportunists , and they act according to the circumstances , and if the circumstances allowing to do otherwise socially unacceptable acts , they will do it , if they get an advantage from that . So my Grandpa really know about the crimes on the eastern front , and because of that he tried not to get in soviet captivity . 1945 he was on leave at home south of Frankfurt , then he decided to dessert and hide in the woods . A thing he only told his children and later his grandchildren , and did not even write in his own memoirs . That is telling something about the German mindset , even long after the war . It was counted as more shameful to desert your unit , than to obey orders from a criminal regime . The military police told my grandmother , that if he returns he wont be shot , and in the end the pressure on was to high , and he surrendered two weeks before the Americans occupied his viage . He was court martialled ,degraded to the lowest rank and put into a penal battalion . His unit stand against the " Russians " in the area around Berlin . The Russians used loud speakers to demand the surrender , and after that someone in the unit shot the commanding officer , and the whole unit surrendered without a fight . My Grandpa was at this time quite sick from his time in the woods , and then they were inspected by a soviet female doctor , she asked him if he has children . He answered correctly that he has 8 children and showed photos of them . After that he got his release papers , and was allowed to go home . So in a lucky twist of fate , he survived his short time as soviet POW . If he were captured as military pastor in a rank of major , his fate would have been for sure much darker . I am very thankful for that experience with my grandfather . But even for me , it took some time , to remember the stories of my grandpa , then in the late 80's the discussion about the crimes of the Wehrmacht came up . This was the first time realized the full weight of the information in my head . Maybe it was so convenient to blame the SS and other nazi party organisations for all the bad things happened in the war
@@lifefordummies I actually found out further down in the comments: it's called "On the Threshold of Oblivion" and is available for rent on Vimeo. I highly recommend it.
"The good guys will always be seen as the bad guys and the bad guys will always be seen as heroes" Example, people hating on the US for being "Imperialists" and people believing in communism.
@Dogu Kilickap Communism is the bad guy, but always seen as good guys, I can easily ask anyone about what he thinks about the bolshevik trash, and they'll actually talk good about them, meanwhile if I talk about what they think about America, they'll say it's imperialistic, trashy and stinky.
TurnOffThe Talmudvision Don’t forget that they also ignored the Soviet occupation of Poland AFTER the war was over. Defense of Poland was only ever an excuse
@@theoderich1168 it’s something I personally couldn’t fathom. Europe during the war . Makes problems/events that have happened in recent decades look microscopic
@@JoboMcFakeAF you are absolutely right, it takes a lot of courage. I have been trying to imagine what it must have been like to have lived in those days - it is almost impossible. Already as a kid I have been interested in ww2, in Germany it is present all the time and still almost no one I knew spoke about it. My mother never spoke about her father who died at the front in Holland in 1944, that did not make things better for the younger folks living with a taboo they could not grasp.
This whole conversations is really eerie and chilling. The comment section is truly something else. It also made me think about how when you're taught about WW2 and the rise to power of the nazis, it all sounds like this grand and sudden event, and yet, the situation we're in doesn't seem all that different than the 30s upon some consideration. But yeah, going back to the conversation; a lot of people in the comments seem to praise these men for how eloquent they are, but their rhetoric is just pathetic; sure, an interesting historical document, but what they are saying is so awful, what makes it digestible and for some even appealing, is the context and their manners. When I got to the end, I felt the need to give that woman a hug, what a disturbing situation
@@evs251 @evs251 Did I say that? No. I didn't. I said "whole conversation", not a specific statement. If that's what you understood, you might as well have asked me if the fact that the lady is from Putten is eerie.
they were somewhat "allies" at the beginning and the Soviets even had the Germans test their military tech in Russia to avoid detection from the Western countries. All before the war broke out of course.
It wasn't. F-34 gun was designed in Gorky design biro. There were also normal optical sights installed, not a bad one too. 1500m was pretty hefty effective range for a gun of that era. He made up story from a whole cloth, like a used car salesman.
@@CirKhan The Germans were also never making first round hits at ranges like that. Nobody was during WW2 with tanks consistently. As you said, total fabrication. I'm sure there were some German manufactured cannons somewhere in the Soviet Union, but not tens of thousands of them arming every Soviet tank.
Kind of reminds me of the saying 'war doesn't determine who is right, only who is left' (alive).All sides used propaganda and it's entirely possible these German soldiers were fighting in their various units, theatres and experiences and never saw any war crimes. It's also possible they were brainwashed or did see such atrocities. Remember, the war involved literally millions of people from all over the world and each person who participated, lived and even died had their own individual story. It's important to study history so the same mistakes are not made again but in saying that, you also need to use caution when applying perspective to how you view history especially with those who lived, breathed and experienced it firsthand.
Britian killed around 10 million indians during world war 2. France killed around 3 million Algerians and 2 Million Moroccans. But they dont teach this in schools. They brainwashed everyone thinking only germany committed genocides.
@@speartongamer6080 first, the number is debatable, second that conflict was for a period of more than 10 years... every single country has committed atrocities towards others
As far as I know, Germany signed Geneva Convention - so they decided, that they will obey the rules. So now they only look for an excuse for the fact, that they didn't. Pacta sunt servanda. Even if the enemy is not a side of the convention, those, who signed it should obey it's rules. I know, that the soviets committed numerous crimes and atrocities (as big part of them were committed on citizens of my country) , but it doesn't change anything. It's about who you want to be: same bastard, as they were (and are), or someone, who doesn't have a problem with looking at the mirror.
My father was deported from Holland traveling by cattle wagon to Germany. Slight issue was he was born in Hamburg but his father was Dutch. His mother moved to Holland when he was six so he was considered legally Dutch. He had a few stories to tell but also one's of the positive side of human nature while a prisoner also, including a German guard that refused to carry a firearm and their being allowed to raid a railway yard for coal for their stove, he reckoned the German guards just looked the other way. His older brother once they clued up to his heritage was 'invited' to join the army on the Eastern front. Taken prisoner he managed an escape with a group and were successful. They had learnt that their life expectancy was not long. Later he was again a POW of the British, I think? But escaped again.
@@dibaldgyfm9933 That's a good comment, they were. Interestingly they had another brother that never saw conflict till after the war. He was drafted into the Dutch Imperial Army, he caused so much trouble that those senior to him addressed him as 'Mr Hart', and ask him if he wanted to what ever task was at hand, he would apparently normally decline. My father said his brother was invited to join MENSA so I think he used his smarts to get his own way.
my grandpa whom i didnt get to meet as he passed before i was born was in holland as well, were deutch, he was like your uncle 'invited' to join the military. He ended up in a resistance group that would smuggle american and allied pilots who were shot down and survived back to friendly lines. He was caught with an american pilot i believe and was sent to a concentration camp. He had some gnarly scars on his neck from a experiment they did on him there. He told my mom about how they would have hidden pockets in their coats to try to smuggle food back to their family, he got caught with a thing of milk and they poured it out in front of him. Ultimately he was liberated when the camp was bombed if i recall correctly either that or allied troops jsut showed up and he was able to escape in the fighting. He came to america afterward but i still have a lot of family in Holland and Poland. We still have a old nazi trench coat he took off a dead soldier
Adolf had many crazy opinions and thoughts... There's also evidence to suggest that he started the war with poland and ussr to get the farmland due to his "Shrinking markets" theory. Industrialized nation sells tools to agrarians, agrarians become industrialized, nobody makes food anymore. Thus he wanted to take the rich soil of the east and all that Lebensraum crap. TIKHistory has videos on this and he shows the sources for his statements along the way
@@alexandersmith4237 Hitler had some private business to settle with Poland, he didn't start any war, it is France and Britain who declared war on Germany, why? To defend Poland. Did they defend Poland? Of course not, they never had any intention to defend anyone, they just Used Poland to get their war, if they had minded their own business there wouldn't have been a world war and millions of lives would have been saved.
@@blacktoothfox677 Cicero had no laws probably even in peace time but we have the Hague, the Red Cross and Geneva but on top of that we have dignity, respect and honor! Correction, "we have" should be replaced by "we had", those who fight wars according to the principles of human dignity and international conventions always lose, viciousness, cheating and a total lack of respect for human life are now the principles that win wars, there"s no other way.
Don't got any German relatives, but my great uncle is a Ukrainian volunteered for them when they were invaded. Bolsheviks killed most of his family in the interwar period and hatred for them and a lust for revenge is really all that was driving him at that point in his life, so he joined the German invasion, and never had any regrets for it.
Yeah, many Ukraines received the Germans as liberators and stuff but as soon as they realized what Nazis really wanted to do there (mass executions of civilians, whole cities burned to the ground, mass starvations , mass rapes) they joined the Partisans and the Red Army en masse. Yeah, a psychopath like Stalin was actually better than Nazi rule. You know Nazis had plans to exterminate 50% of Ukrainian population, don’t you? If you really think Ukraine would be better under Nazi rule, you are dreaming. As for your grandfather (collaboration with people who wanted to exterminate his own) the Nazis considered the their local collaborators inferior. Heydrich even had this written. The Slavs closer to Aryans were those fighting and resisting against the Germans. Collaborators were considered the lowest scum from the scum. Maybe your grandfather wasn’t like this, but collaborators took part in the mass murder of civilians, including very young children.
@@alisp.4384 Well, you must keep in mind people then and there didn't have 75 years of information to look back through as it was unfolding, and most of what we know of what occurred in (what would become) the Eastern Bloc nations/SSRs is based off Soviet records as the West was not allowed to investigate. With that in mind, I'll tell you what I was told. My great uncle lived is a smaller village in the Rivne Oblast, the Germans would eventually reach it, after reaching it he witnessed no rape, the town wasn't razed, and none of the civilians were killed. Resources, however, were seized. At the time there were no actual Soviet military in the town so the Germans sort of just walked in (for lack of a better term). I think it's safe to assume, whatever a Nazi party member was plotting back in Berlin, the Wehrmacht that entered the town was completely unaware of, so to my great uncle there appeared to be no ill intent. The Germans lifted the restrictions on religion the Soviets imposed, and it was not long after he volunteered since the Germans were taking them. He was aware the Germans were not saints by any means, but he maintained a "better them than the reds" attitude. He never personally witnessed any of the atrocities often cited with the exception of Soviet POWs being executed (which didn't bother him), most of his time was either laboring or fighting the Red Army. He never had any dealings with the SS (or any that he spoke of anyway) though. So, stop and think for one moment. A brutal regime kills most of your family and starves your people, then another brutal regime comes, but doesn't seem _as_ brutal (there was no internet, or phone, or TV, or w/e people today take for granted to know what happened in Poland), and the soldiers have not personally mistreated you or your neighbors. So who do you side with? The regime that killed your family and starved your people? Or the regime that is killing them? I can only assume it was a no brainer. You are not going to gaslight me in to thinking my great uncle was a bad man because he sided with "muh nahtzees!". War isn't black and white.
@@SilencedReflex I know he remained in Ukraine for most of his life, I always assumed he kept the fact he defected a secret, as he would have been imprisoned at least, but most likely executed, had the state known. He's been dead for about two decades now so I can't ask for details.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark First of all, that is not what “gaslight” mean. Look up what it really is. Second, don’t be so naive. Your great-uncle was a collaborator. What the Nazis (and this includes Wehrmacht) did in Eastern Front was brutal. What I told you wasn’t taken from Soviet books, but from Western books and papers peer reviewed and published with first hand witnesses accounts and revised numbers. It took decades for the US to take a look at the Eastern Front, since many the crimes were committed not by SS, but Wehrmacht and the politics at the time was the “Clean Wehrmacht” myth. The Nazi plans for Ukraine (at least 50% of the population murdered by mass starvation) was taken from German records . The Nazi hated the Slavs and considered them sub-human, not much better than the Jews. But you’re right. At first the German just walked into villages, taking some of the food , chatting with the locals, being received as liberators. At first. Ukraine was one of the countries who suffered one of the greatest civilian losses, massacres, atrocities, (together with Poland, Belarus and Russian). Do you really think your great-uncle would admit any of of this, to his own family, including his young nephew the atrocities that happened during the war? I find it very hard to believed he didn’t even heard what was happening. I just told you collaborators took part in many of these atrocities. I’m not saying your uncle did those things, but he certainly wouldn’t say to his own family all that he witnessed. Soldiers rarely talk to their family the things they witnessed, much less did, during the war. I’ve watched an interview with a German Wehrmacht soldier who told the interviewer he took forty year to admit to his family what he had witnessed in the Eastern Front. He didn’t even told the interviewer what he did witnessed, but his lips were trembling , he was stuttering and almost crying just remembering it. I’m not saying your uncle was a bad man, maybe he was in denial. War do terrible things to people. But there no heroes here.
I have relatives on both sides, my grandfather was a resistance fighter. While 3 of my great grand uncles were drafted into the Wehrmacht due to being born in Germany. None of them made it home. My great-grandmother had to seek shelter in the basement of their farm when the Germans were relocating people due to the fighting going on in the area. They hid there for weeks, and when they were found by allied soldiers they were surprised that there were any civilians even left in the area at all.
But in reality, IF it was only about Bolshevism then they wouldn't have done everything else 🤦♂️ If they were ONLY trying to stop the spread of communism then they could've easily negotiated deals and alliances with France, UK, USA, and all of the rest of anti-communist Europe. But because it was never just about stopping the USSR and communism, they didn't. Their argument makes sense... until you consider EVERYTHING ELSE they did.
@@tobyalder42 Why should they be sorry for fighting as commanded, and in a mostly civilized manner against Anglo-American forces? Our own ground troops were mostly civilized in return.
@@Morrigi192 Because they fought for Hitler and the Nazi regime, have you heard about that? Because their fight led to the occupation of their country? Bombing cities has nothing to do with "mostly civilized manner".
Honestly war is a huge thing with thousands of people in thousands of places, one veterans account is really just a tiny portion of the bigger war, especially in WW2 where battles were so spread out. Did these guys kill Russian civilians, my guess is no. I just think they weren’t in the places and around with people where this kind of thing happened, or they just never saw it happen, which can be totally expected in such a large war. More than anything I really feel bad for these guys, I just don’t think they have the capacity to believe that the country(Hitler’s Germany) that they sacrificed blood sweat and tears and more importantly the guys they fought next to had the capacity to be extraordinarily evil. It’s a hard thing to turn on your friends your country, especially when your experiences don’t match with the crimes that happened in other areas. Really I think these guys are in denial, they know it happened, they just don’t want to believe it because it would ruin their experience of the war.
Mhm, one man’s experiences can lean into what the war was like but cannot account for all of it. Many, millions, from West to East joined the Germans and the Nazis to fight against Bolshevism and I’m sure that’s what was pushed harshly, since what a lot of what they saw was the oppression of the Soviets as they came and grew their power. Each side had their fair share of freedom fighters, horrid criminals, crazed sadists, valiant warriors, and honorable men and women. No matter where you looked it came down to the quality of those that lead, and how they felt about what they did and were doing, including the men who followed.
If they killed civilians they probably called them partisans. Which they did hint at. Fun fact is that behavior isn't uncommon in warfare for that reason. But when a major part of the cause is ethnic cleansing. Then one can expect much more draconian expressions of war.
@@edie9158 No, your symmetrism is just whitewashing and a cheap one. Only small percentage of eastern europeans helped Germany with war agains USSR and they were far-right even before the war. German country was an invader and "bad guy" from first minutes of war, just educate yourself and check what have they done to captured soldiers and civilians during '39 campaign or after Barbarossa. If fact, Nazis created great genocide machine which was supported by almost all Germans. The myth that only SS soldiers were fanatic ones and Wehrmacht was only "regular, non-brutal men forced to coscript and fight for their country" is only a myth. Just read and learn, it doesn't hurt...
Patton and Churchill were strong advocates of the immediate rearmament the German people. They had a devastated population, but the German experience of fighting the Soviets was seen as an invaluable asset. Both Churchill and Patton agreed, after Germany surrendered, the time was perfect to press into the USSR and end Stalinism, German advisors being critical to that effort. The human race almost became endangered, possibly extinct if the Cuban missile crises had gone the other way, luckily it didn’t. Patton was assasinated, Churchill was forced out of office.
My grandfather on my mother's side was a Scotsman who fought for Australia's 2/28 th and was captured by Rommels forces at Tobruk. He was well treated by the Germans and spoke highly of Rommel.
No it didn't; it was a very clear choice. You either participated in the war crimes, or you didn't. Obviously these men could care less how many civilians they murdered on their way into and out of the Soviet Union.
Imagine being a Jewish heritage German soldier. Someone who trained and believed in the glory of Germany and the expression of her values after proving your metal as a boy in the Great War. Must've sucked balls
@@marcuspoosz2190 Yeah that's not an excuse at all. Getting a transfer to the police battalions and Einsatzgruppen was voluntary, and executing civilians isn't war. It's a war crime. We tried, convicted, and executed the officers that ordered it.
My great grandfather was in the Wehrmacht and in the invasion of France and was eventually sent to the eastern front to fight against the Russians, he was killed in combat by a Russian hand grenade. One of his buddies told my grandma and my great grandmother about his death years after the war
@@jackstrawfromwichita6168 they only fought for their country, not for nazis. take rommel for example, not all soldiers were nazis who murdered jews, gays etc.
"They were soldiers once, and young" -Every war has it's atrocities. Vietnam (My Lai), Iraq, on and on,.. All future military campaigns should inlude children of all politicians who vote for it!
The nazi war machine did not have isolated atrocities, such as the may lai massacre you mention. The entire nazi war campaign was an atrocitie. Viet Nam was a terrible disaster for the U.S. however don't ever compare the nazi's murderous madness and genocide to U.S. Viet Nam disaster.
@@Rayburn58 Good point. In response to Marc Roche, " all future military campaigns should include children of all politicians, "and their wives in the front lines. That wouldn't end war but might delay it a bit.
this is his point of view of the war. now imagine if they won the war. how would old allied soldiers explain their actions and how we would perceive it with values that the axis will impose on us. this is just many of the what-ifs history.
I think they get should have diverted all forces to fight back the Russians and let the Americans take over everything so that way they would not have been split and mistreated as bad as they were
If the Germans won the war there would not be the Israel Palestine problem. Its a shocking thought to imagine Hitler and the Nazi ruling the globe for the last 80 years my god what would the world be like
society lol I’m not a Jew. I have more Aryan blood if you believe that bullshit stuff. It’s Norse mythology you inbred fuck. I know more about your bullshit belief system then you, and most of your kind. If I were a Jew then that’s cool in your view we control the money so it isn’t that bad
The moment the British and the French declared war on Germany the occupation of western Europe became absolutely imperative for the Germans. Those actions turned what would have been eastern war against bolshevism into the most deadly and destructive war the world has ever seen... Incidentally the German government asked the Dutch on 2 occasions to allow occupation. Both times they were refused, hence the invasion.
Ever wonder why even 80 years after their defeat so much time and energy is spent on demonizing nazis. It' because if there is only two things in this world that scares the absolute crap out of communism it is Jesus Christ and a National Socialist.
In a way, I felt sorry for her. After being told by a German WW2 veteran, "War has its own laws". He walk away but turned around and gently patted her on the back.
The narcissist's prayer: That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not our fault. And if it was, we didn't mean it. And if we did, you deserved it.
@Real Man Die Another edgelord. Have you ever genuinely considered the fact that you might not have the best ideas if your thought process just boils down to "genuinely support the bad argument for the meme"?
@Real Man Die I'd be angrier if they invaded my country. Don't invade, and you won't get blown to pieces by partisans. They were justified. The Wehrmacht was not. Should have stayed home.
As much as I respect them, it's pretty stupid saying "Geneva convention, Strafbattalion, etc." and two minutes later "war has no laws". Better to say "the Dutch were allied with the British so they'd invaded from there" or some logical argument rather than contradict themselves
I think you misread the translation. He said, "War has its own laws". Was it against the law to invade a country without a declaration of war back then?
they are neurotics. it's when the child is traumatized to be perfect, can't deal with being wrong, mistaken, fooled, deceived. this results in compulsive lying and contradicting actions and speech. they're quite simply functionally insane.
I don't respect them or you because it's all bullshit. Not only did Germany start the war, the Netherlands and Belgium also weren't allied with France and Britain. Belgium had even denied French requests at fortifying against Germany pointing at their neutrality. Invading a neutral country was simply a tool towards finishing off the aggressive war.
1. Yes, in order to invade a country “legally” you’d wanna declare war. 2. The Dutch were not allied to the British in either World War, they were neutral until the invasion in 1940
@@gottmituns1938 Well, yeah, that's why there's such a thing of "declaration of war" to begin with. Theoretically it must go through a certain diplomatic procedure.
@@plavsk If you even bothered to read Patton's memoirs... He stated that the regular (not SS) German army was composed of fine men who were being misled by great evil. Really, I think at the end they knew it too. What the allies did in my opinion was wake the common German soldier up to the reality of the situation, but the threat of evil still existed (to this day) through communism. Patton viewed this no different than the Nazis, and so it had to be defeated.
@@LibertyAndUnionSo rather then saying we fought the wrong enemy and should feel guilty for getting rid of Hitler, we should have just gone after Russia right afterwards. Saying Patton’s quote is basically saying a Nazi victory with their tyranny is better then the world of freedoms we have today
They should have asked permission, it's obvious they wouldn't have received it but the gesture would have gone a long way with average Dutch people and as a consequence could have recruited far more Dutch people to help them in the east.
@Chet Muggins gotta love how people always shout "EDGY" whenever someone says anything good about the germans, just to make those opinions seem illegitimate. please go away, thanks.
@Hanz Franz it’s ok, comrade we will win in the end for the Lord is on our side and smiles brightly upon us for the truth be with us, and in the end times we will be vindicated and our enemies will be smited in the name of Christ. Amen.
She didn't "out" her great uncle as a "partisan," the attack that prompted the (illegal) reprisal on civilians was committed by "partisans" (a.k.a. people against the invader of their home country). There is no indication her great uncle was anything other than a civilian in the town. Defending war crimes isn't a good look.
The killing of almost the complete male population of Putten is a well known fact of the Dutch past during WWII. The men were taken away as revenge they were not all members of the resistance. What happened was that the German officer that was killed by the resistance was laying dead on the streets close to the village. That was the only reason the Germans choose Putten. It was a matter of installing fear into the Dutch population to let let them know they were never safe and that any counterattacks would be severely punished.
@@RichardLove-r4l Of course... they only fought for Hitler, I'm sure they'd have an objective view on the Wehrmacht and warcrimes... I probably don't even have to ask which type of party gets your swastika in any election.
Every woman would. In the Bolshevik invasion of East Prussia, every woman between eight years old and eighty years old was repeatedly gang raped when found; and then killed. This is why there are no Germans in East Prussia and Pomerania anymore.
might be on Bitchute or Altcensored. That's where videos revealing the truth are that were banned from youtube. Idk of a documentary but most likley is a part of one, and it would contain many truths hidden from us all, ones that would change the way we see history
The interesting thing was, in spite of their different opinions, it was a civil exchange of words! One can't even have a conversation now in a nation where "Free Speech" is a guaranteed right.
And, yet, here we are, having a conversation. Nothing prevents one from having a conversation in the USA. One simply can’t assume someone might not get angry in that convo…
@@temsedgwick9494 i literally cannot have a civil conversation with people nowadays, they go manic and sometimes physical (like how right-wingers are abused in both north America and Europe), I know there are people who're able to comprehend points and able to conversate in a civilised way, but they're quite difficult to find and almost instinct
When you say “right wingers”, are you referring to say, a typical GOP voter (in USA), or are you referring to European and/or American neo-nazis? If it’s the latter, then, yeah, fuck the nazis…
@@temsedgwick9494 a typical GOP voter, i've seen 10s of people wearing MAGA hats getting harrassed and had their hats stolen, and even one was killed during the BLM riots for supporting trump, I don't care what your ideology is, just don't turn it physical/violent or force it upon someone, you could be a nazi and I wouldn't care as long as you don't harm anyone (essentially keeping to yourself) because I believe everyone is free to follow whatever ideology or view they would like (again as long as they don't inflict harm upon anyone)
The American conception freedom of speech has been bastardized and distorted by the conservative party in order to manufacture rage and political discontent. The freedom of speech, and in fact every other 1st amendment right, is the freedom *from government interference* on speech. You want to call your boss's mother a whore? Well, good news, you legally can't be jailed or fined for it, but unfortunately there is no legal basis for preventing your boss from firing you for being an asshole. It's the freedom to speak, not the freedom from consequences. Grow up and realize that sounding and acting like an asshole means people will treat you like one. If you want to complain about 'snowflake liberals', don't cry when Mommy Government doesn't bail you out of your own deserved problems.
My great grandfather served in the war, my father and I have served, and I’d love to sit and chat with these guys about their experiences. It’s like the “other side” that we seldom hear about
Your great grandfather was part of an evil machinery. The Wehrmacht was complicit in ethnic cleansing not just the SS. It’s a documented fact. There aren’t always “two sides” to a debate.
I know these type of guys. Whenever German veterans came together, one or two "watchdogs" were sitting among them and intervened as soon as anyone criticized the Nazis. These guys justifying the war look, talk, and act like those watchdogs. There were many "normal" veterans around, not daring to say a word. 40 years after the war! For those who are interested in German war experiences I recommend a film made of private Super 8 footage about the early months of Barbarossa. It was forbidden to film, that's why the film is called "der verboten Film": ua-cam.com/video/-ZuplevJoyw/v-deo.html
@@HD-uh7nj Nah, germans were outnumbered. 1 Tiger tank could destroy at least 5 Russian tanks, but they had far lesser number of tanks and resources than allied forces. Soviet Union, USA, UK etc. all of them were against them.
I feel bad for the German man in the middle that the other two weren't letting talk. You could tell he was disturbed by the whole conversation and the war itself. At the end he just walks away when the conversation turned into a tit for tat way of talking. Poor guy
The difference in mentality between current generation that seeks to connect and make friends with as many people from other countries as possible and the old generation that sought to destroy as many people from other countries as possible. It's a false belief to say that the older people are always right and the young people should always listen to them without asking any questions. I believe that a lot of young people today are much smarter than a lot of old people.
Honestly she came to a museum during a tour of German veterans and tried to make them feel bad. These are the same guys who believed in what they were doing in 1939+. It's not like the war ended and they were like "Oh we lost we were totally wrong about our cause." losing a war doesn't make people take on the oppositions viewpoints. They did bad things but she's basically being childish. It's also the difference between history and actually being there because most soldiers have no clue what the hell is going on around them. Especially back in those days most of the time they didn't even know where they were going until they saw the road signs. History also tends to exaggerate and prey upon the worst examples. It's like seeing protests in a handful of major US liberal hellhole cities and saying "OMG America is just falling apart!" when the majority of America is actually just going about their daily lives watching it on the news like "Glad I don't live in a liberal hellhole."
@@slimjim7411 I believe that the Dutch woman was just expressing her feelings and not in a malicious way. My family suffered at the hands of the Nazis and you have no idea how bad it was for them. If those Germans felt bad then it wasnt her fault. Did you notice how arrogant they were, nothing has changed in over 3000 years for the Huns
@@bubiruski8067 That seems like a weird argument. “Because the British deployed the BEF into France, German had to invade neutral Netherlands and Belgium, where no Allied troops were deployed.”
@@puellanivis The Allies troops were in Belgium before the german attack.There was a formal protest by the side of the king and the government. The same situation with Norway and Iceland.
@@av5958 The Dyle Plan was started only at 6:30 a.m on 10 May, 1940, the same day that Germans started their invasion of the Netherlands. If it indeed be true that “Germany invaded NL and BE after FR and UK invaded Belgium” it was merely by hours, and certainly not done in response to. And while the Belgian King did indeed protest to the use of British and French forces in Belgium, he was very much in public disagreement with his government’s position that Germany, having invaded without declaration of war, put them on the side of the allies. Instead of siding with his government and fleeing to continue in exile, Leopold instead negotiated a cease-fire with the Germans 17 days later, which caused such a political crisis for Belgium, that it got its own name and Wikipedia article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Question
@@puellanivis ...merely by hours ...but the neutrality of Belgium was disrespected firstly by UK and France The attack against NS Germany by the side of the british troops (being already in France) along with the french army via Belgium and Netherlands was imminent. So the german attack in Belgium and Netherlands was in response to the imposed war by UK and France. In summary : UK and France declared and imposed war to NS Germany. UK and France first pass the Belgium's border aiming to attack NS Germany
@@poi1612 if you discount the fact that it was unreliable, difficult to maintain, and excessively expensive sure…. it was a fine tank destroyer. But as a tank, a tool for breakthroughs and flanking maneuvers it’s record was miserable and embarrassing. In a vacuum it’s a good weapon, in a real war with real people, real shooting, and real logistics it proved to be absolutely awful.
Many German veterans only regretted one thing about World War Two. They regretted that they lost.
Same with Japanese vets
I mean look at the world now. The degeneracy. Marxism. Global capitalism. It kind of is regrettable they lost.
we regret it too
They should regret the war crimes thay they did commit and the jews they killed.
@@patrickgrant6389 They’re even worse.
"U guys invade Netherlands."
The old folks reply with sincere smile: "we marched in without permission"
Those men really dgaf 😂
You killed million innocents.
We took their life without permission.
@@jake.s7065 yeah, took me a second to realise.
Because we Britain declared war so they had no choice but to remove the threat from the west which included passing through the Netherlands to do that.
@@jake.s7065 Yet we didn't declare war on the Soviet Union who invaded our supposed ally in 1939 or 1945 when they refused to give it up.
It's so weird to see a internet argument take place in real life.
I wonder what emoji could be used for the face on her at the end!
Especially for being filmed in looks like the early 80'z
Internet arguments are real life too you know
Oops.Amit is working overtime🤣🤣🤣
I'm sure you'll find many internet arguments down here.
"600 went away, 49 came back"
"Is there evidence of that?"
"Yeah they didn't come back"
partisans
Nobody takes somebody at their word anymore due to how many pathological liars are running around. Now, if you even cite personal examples as reasons for why you vote a certain way, it's met with "LOL no source/citation", from what? CNN? Life experience IS a 'source', even if it's only seen as credible to the person that experienced it.
😂😂😂
@@notimeforspace2477yea it makes sense too those guys got themselves all killed
When your school textbook doesnt teach about the allies and the two front war causing food and medicine supply shortages then duh prisoners will die
They're still waiting for Steiner's counter attack
underrated comment lol
30 mins ago@@eligenovese783
Corporal Steiner didnt care about his cross of iron.
"I understood that reference..."
"what do you mean Steiner's counter attack couldn't make it?"
"War has its own laws," is one of the most chilling statements I have ever heard...and been true.
Like a fraudulent election then
"The most dangerous thing in war is a pissed-off eighteen-year-old with a rifle." - Anon
Wrong. Killing civilians because they are Jews is NOT a rule of war. And people like you who try to rationalize it should be ashamed of themselves.
@@alienlife7754 Has someone claimed otherwise? You are the kind of people who should shut up, or educate yourselves.
Yep
I kinda felt like the germans were making a fair, educated point until she mentioned the Netherlands and they were like oh helll yea we marched into that shit lmfao
Absolute madlads
@@aurorasdawn4681 The British and french allowed germany to take austria and czechia. They even told them that if they retreated from Poland, there would be no war. But the germans refused. Then they didn't even invade germany and just sat on their asses for 6 months. That sound to you like they wanted war?
@@adrianshephard378 That's wrong. Their demands went far beyond retreating from Poland and included the secession of Austria from Germany. I.e. reversing what Hitler considered his greatest achievement which would have to be carried out against the will of the Austrian people.
Also, the French already invaded Germany in September 1939 but retreated because the Wehrmacht was ordered to retreat as well without a fight. After that, it took some time to organise the Allied troops from all over the world, deploy the British Expeditionary Force, prepare the invasion of Norway etc. They attacked once they had finished their preparations in spring 1940.
You're not completely wrong though. Many allies were indeed reluctant to go to war. The British government, for example, was split almost 50/50 between pro peace/pro German voices (like Edward Wood and Neville Chamberlain) and pro war/pro Jewish voices (like Leslie Hore-Belisha, Anthony Eden and Winston Churchill). But any chance of making peace was gone when Winston Churchill came to power in May 1940 since he explicitly declared to refuse any kind of negotiations with Germany.
@@adrianshephard378 churchill denied a half dozen peace offers from hitler
@@aurorasdawn4681 shhh that's too red pilled for most leftists in this comment section...
This illustrates how Germans have mastered sarcasm. "That's right...we marched in without asking permission"
That aint sarcasm. Its real talk
@@Prometeo9 I know it's real talk. They were ordered to march in, but there's sarcasm in "...we matched in without asking permission"
@@raptor96 its actually a more thought-through response as it might seem at first since the German government set an ultimatum for the dutch government to allow German troops to secure the borders from allied landings which wasnt met (in time) and resulted in the Netherlands being occupied.
@@imGeistevereint its not really that deep. The old men whined and complained about how their people were brutalised yet made fun of the people who they themselves brutalised
@@sarubet8725 Maybe if you could understand German then you could actually understand the tone he was speaking in. Some words aren't translated as they should be iether and lead to a false image in your imagination
There are three side to every story. Your side, their side & the truth.
cobra kai?
Really just two, the truth doesn’t exist.
@@littleferrhis that's stupid, what if both people lie about a tomato being blue? you know it's red so the truth is that it's red,the truth does exist
Ain't that the truth🙄
@@littleferrhis
Wrong
Hahaha “that’s right, we just marched in. “ Savage.
Serves that girl right. She has no business commenting on something that happened before her lifetime.
Thats the only thing the globalist elite understands, force, yes the nationalists lost but i tell you what...... the international elite knew they had been in a real fight when it was over.
@@DaleTuck31 That'll teach her to complain about the invasion of her country! Now let me complain about the Russian invasion of my country . . .
@@humanforfreedom9583 h
No it was a disaster German forces lost the battle of The Hague with many losses . And when the Germans not capture the city of Rotterdam they bombed it with many losses of life.
I like how the old timers think to themselves “well no shit” when she explains about the ambush.
You like their smugness and their justification of reprisals?
Lol seriously
@@gasperpoklukar8372 dude chill, it’s history. These ole boys are piles of dust now..
I’m not trying to justify anything, just making an observation.
@@evanderdelarosa462 Those "ole boys" caused a whole lot more piles of dust with their actions. Piles, more like tons upon tons of dust. "It's just history" Yeah, it clearly was just history to the woman in the video, right? What's more, it's more than just history due to the relevance it has for all these Wehraboos and full-blown Nazis here on UA-cam. You don't speak out against them, you make them stronger by ignoring them. What was that quote again about evil only needing good men doing nothing against it? It's in one of the Call of Duty games, even.
Why are people so shocked that these men defend their actions? Ask the French of this Generation what they were doing in Indochina, the Dutch what they were doing in Indonesia, the British what they were doing in India and Africa. None would tell you that they did anything wrong.
but finally now - the colonists are admitting 'a bit' - even the english now barely admitting what they did to Ireland for centures & the genocide of Native Americans & Canadians indians - Ask a Canadian today if they think they did anything wrong in the genocide of their Indians AND get out of the way with the back lash one is going to hear - OMG! fascinating conversation - on u tube - wow - blessings all & Happy Summer, Everyone!
@@ocaphoenix5347 There was no British genocide against the indigenous populations of North America (They are not "Indians"). Between the days of Columbus and the arrival of the British, 90% of them had passed away because of three reasons: Columbus and his men, wars between the tribes themselves, but mostly of disease brought from Europe.
Unlike Germany in WWII, the British and French did not commit a holocaust. Also, the lady asking them is from the Netherlands, so she had every right to be outraged.
@@ocaphoenix5347The British and French stopped the natives tribes from killing each other. They should be thanked!!😁
Yes they would lol. In the US we learn about the atrocities of European settlers in school.
For anyone wondering, the name of the full documentary is On the threshold of oblivion. You can find it online.
Thanks , I will look for it. : - ))
Thanks!
Hi, I just searched for it on UA-cam but I can only find short version, not more than 5 minutes long
@Austrian Painter I don’t know if I can trust an Austrian painter 😏
Dank u wel. Ik ben een Amerikan. Ik like de Nederlandse taal. But I probably butchered it a bit there.
That faces she makes when he says "war has its own laws." Priceless.
THOTS trying to lecture men that are veterans on what happened in war.....
@@capitaldcolon1795 can’t tell old Germans nothing, they’ve been right for 80 years about everything.
@@capitaldcolon1795 She is a professor at Utrecht University at the moment. Quite a good one as well actually, specialised in terrorism, the history of securization and international relations. Did two masters and a Phd so not spoiled, hard work.
@@kennetheo neonazis are sooo sad LMAO
@@tequestaorangejuice6673 Facts don’t care about your feelings LOL
"War has it's own laws." Deep, yet true.
Silent enim leges inter arma
Its*
@@hollowpoint894 We were tought in English class that "it's" always has an apostrophe. Otherwise, it's just an I, T, and S.
@@NorthernWolf910 Your English teacher was incompetent, then. "It's" with an apostrophe is a contraction of "It is", whereas "its" is a possessive pronoun.
@@NorthernWolf910 PS. Taught*
She is stunned at the end by their attitude.
Stunned by the fact that not everyone see the world as she does and other narratives exist.
Dutch people are snowflakes with big mouths (especially when they drink beer) sorry to say but it’s the truth.
@@den343 No, stunned by the idiocy of old men still believing the lies they have been telling themselves for decades
@@den343
Other narratives? When people understand that Germans and Japanese were really evil and have crazy ideas. I am against Western Imperialism, but the axis were another level.
@@rafaelw.b.1324😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So let me get this you rather believe jews that are know for.lies rather then men who fought ams was there😂
Beginning: Soviets sucked because they didn't respect the laws of war.
Ending: "War has its own laws"
True but he still made his point clear. The Germans respected the Geneva convention at least the Wehrmacht(vast majority of the time). The Soviet regular army didnt. Partisans don’t answer to the Geneva convention and aren’t soldiers so there’s not much you can do about it other than deport their families. Allies did the same thing
Aye, and the soviet didn't respect those laws
@@Wilhelmofdeseret And the french, who absolutely sucked during WWII, used the Goumiers, an "army" of North africans soldiers who commited some of the most orrendous war crimes during WWII. The Americans wanted to stop them, but someone said "You are here to fight Germans, not french".
@@Wilhelmofdeseret The Germans did not respect the Geneva convention, the Wehrmacht was complicit in most of the atrocities in the east.
The French did not suck in World war 2 there troops in general fought very well, Their problems in 1940 were the fault of the constant change in governments during the 1930s, those Governments preferred Commanders in Chief who left them alone and Gamelin placed his headquarters in a Chateau that had no telephone lines nor radios. he had to use motorcycle couriers to carry messages to and from his communications center some 15 minutes away.
"History is a set of lies agreed upon." Napolean Bonapart
He did not say that because his empire was inspired by the history of other empires
Cool quote but Napoleons liberal views were gay.
Stupid quote because Napoleon never said it and it's not true. Especially disturbing when the quote is being utilized for the context of this video...
@@matushova1779 Napoleon literally did not consider women to be humans wtf are you talking about?
@@ch1gga22 No, In Napoleon's view women were destined to play a domestic role, inside the family, rather than a public one.
Did they delete the original?
What the actual fuck UA-cam. How dare we hear the other side of the story???
hmmmmmmmmm
Interim Ikr such bullshit, youtube deletes a lot of ww2 footage here on youtube but it’s just history like come on!
They are deleting everything that tells the other side of history. People are starting to learn the truth.
Of course they did. Little bitches can't handle opposing viewpoints cause there position is so weak
When the argument is that "it was not the army it was the police ". Like "no we had other people doing that, another Department
He did make a fair point, police and the army are two totally different things with different abilities and rules
@@ALaKouji Then you got the Nazi.
Probably wasn't the Nazis, otherwise the girl would have mentioned that.
@@ALaKouji Yet both killed civilians. Hunted for them. This distinction in combination with the fact that he still believes the old propaganda is showcasing how badly they're brainwashed.
@@ALaKoujiyet both murdered and hunted civilians and political opposition. This distinction in combination with the fact that he still believes the old lies is showing how bad they're brainwashed. All my answers are disappearing:/
Ordinary Soldier: I fought against the Russians
Woke Soldier: I fought against *bolschevismus*
@HITLERDIDNOTHINGWRONG care to explain?
Warning this comment is somewhat long, if you don't like context and analogies of Historical Significance from a historian of 12 years study/work, stop reading now:
Imagine you have two sworn enemies named Fasces and Comisky, Fasces strikes Comisky first and you see this as a grand oppurtunity for a temporary alliance against Fasces, and eventually you defeat Fasces with Comisky. But now Comisky is stronger than before and threatens and fights you while Fasces with sad amusement tells you how you chose the wrong enemy to ally yourself with. Comisky is worse than Fasces tenfold. I gave the best example of how communism came on the rise as an increased World Power. You think the Holocaust was bad? The Gulags make the concentration camps look like Camp Green Lake. America chose the worst of the enemies it faced to ally itself with. And look at us now as Americans, literal self neutering, self hatred, illogical hatred towards each other, acceptance of sexualization of children, inflation, crippling debt....all because we chose Comisky over Fasces. Comisky took over the schools to "educate" us on his agenda, and a lot of us Americans are getting fucked over by these "Educated" people because Comisky knew that he couldn't face America without heavy losses and/or defeat. Subjugate and indoctrinate the young to tear the country from the inside before invading it, because we all know that invading a country unites its people, but break the people before invasion and you have won without setting a single troop on the beaches. Not saying Fascism is better than Communism, just merely stating that Hitler had 0 interest to fight a pacifist country (America) and if Imperialism did not attack Pearl Harbor and relinquished their territorial gains, Germany and Russia would have torn each other apart, most likely Germany would have lost still, but Russia would have no power left to hold the vast territories it had held pre Cold War, therefore Communist dominance in Eastern Europe would not exist and communism would have fallen like the Russian Empire after the string of failures and losses fell on Ioseb Jugashvili (Joseph Stalin) like they had on Czar Nicholas II. In an ideal world that would've happened.
Scumbag liars.
Those "Boslheviks" they were "fighting" were all in labor camps and jailed for crimes. And they started their career by German industrialists sponsoring them and hauling gold for Jewish and other mercenaries in St. Petersburg.
Lenin got caught with documents that clearly show that he was an agent of German intelligence.
All of Europe united to battle Bolshevism, the Indians and Arabs included. The European Volunteer Movement.
Besides that, even before the war, National Socialism was like a renaissance across Europe, and many nations formed similar movements analogous to Hitler's. It was the natural human progression, and a new Europe was forming! Unfortunately, the opposite powers were too powerful and too cunning to allow this transformation to occur.
Bolshevism exists today now its technology . Bolshevism is anything that destroys
I wish the guy with the green hat would had the opportunity to speak his mind.
2:27 I bet that Guy wanted to say "Ausschreitungen von einzelnen Soldaten hat es gegeben, aber nicht in diesem großen Maße"
"Incidents from some German Wehrmachtsoldiers happend but not in this dimensions"
@@GermanPredatorHawk Tief
you mean Uncle junior from the sopranos
I don’t believe you need to open his mouth to speak his mind you can see everything you needed to hear his face
@@kennetheo LMAO! That was a slick move. I love TGSNT!
"The first casualty in a war is the truth" I forgot who said that.
socrates
Thank you.
I think Taylor Swift said that.
Wasn’t that Master P?
Aeschylus.....In War the first casualty is the truth.......Senator Hiram Johnson is credited with the more modernized...Truth is the first casualty in War
They're not telling you these excuses, they are telling themselves
Absolutely
''They'' are your betters,
Oh chosen monkey
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My father was a Wehrmacht Veteran of the Eastern Front. He survived the Battle of Kursk. He'd had told you pretty much the same thing if he were alive today.
I mean the Wermacht were simply soldiers fighting a losing war. It was those SS bastards who killed the innocent.
So was mine. Don't know which battles he was in though.
So he was an unrepentant Nazi, too?
@@chrisd2051 Yeah, no. The Werhmacht committed war crimes pretty much everywhere they went.
@@gasperpoklukar8372 moy drog imma need evidence
This is what Finnish veterans always say. They protected the Nordic countries against the soviets all alone. Finland was the only German ally that wasnt conquered.
Well Finland quite literally switched sides
Finland did pretty well for themselves and managed to survive the winter war, allying with their Germans, and then still keeping the Soviets from taking too much of their land or occupying them. Mannerheim and Rytti had to make tough decisions but what they did was for the good of the Finnish people. Still think it’s funny that in one talk, Mannerheim smoked in Hitler’s face; being an aristocrat he saw Hitler as some devil upstart.
Finland has been let down by the rest of Europe. Perhaps because they couldn't make a commitment, or didn't want to argue with Russia at the time, which they hoped to make an ally. Germany was an aggressor, but Russia had already set its eyes on Finland and Northern Europe. The tensions were there much earlier. Finland protected itself and they were brave people.
Welll Finland turned down around 20k soldiers from norway Denmark and sweden. And recived weapons from the above named Allies
@@Salsadans123 Even as a non nazi sympathizer, you can`t deny that germany saved europe from the soviet union. Obviously with their own interests in mind and not out of pure protectionism but still. Without germany the warswa pact would have ended with spain.
The Chinese and Japanese veterans are still arguing about what happened during WWII in Asia. War is hell, and it is initiated by a few and suffered by many.
U sure they ain’t dead bro?
The winner can dictate to the world what is written in history books and what isn't. And they can of course blame the defeated party, claiming they were "innocent" themselves. Just look at the bloodthirsty history of the British and the Americans and their Communist dictator friends, and you'll see how "Innocent" they are. Lol
Allies are warmongers and liars.
@@fureuropa-gegennwo1259 Thanks to those allies you now can spew your nonsense here.
@Osas Saso Relax. We are all free to express our own opinion everywhere. Thanks to the freedom our western allies brought to us after WW2.
@Osas Saso Take it easy and relax. Internet can be traced back to 1960's, and later on Bill Gate, Steve Jobs, - - - , etc. and many talented scientists and Engineers all contributed to the success of its worldwide applications. It is a powerful tool thanks to those western allied countries who made it happened.
I think the critical question in this blameful discussion, was about civilians as war-combatants in civil clothes. No army in the whole world, tolerated fighting civilians, neither the anglo-american Military forces, nor anyone else!
The Americans for instance announced in the beginning of their occupation in Germany, to execute 200 Germans for one American killed.
Genau !
When I was a senior in high school (USA, 1995-96) my Geometry teacher was from Austria and fought for the Reich. Every Friday after our test, he would tell us stories about the war from the German side. I only remember how emotional everyone got and how much we enjoyed the stories. Unfortunately, I can't remember any specifics of what he told us. He was a wonderful teacher though, and the best math teacher I ever had. He called our homework "Your entertainment for this evening." Most students nicknamed him "Grandpa Schwarzenegger," because of his accent.
In the early to mid 1990's I met my extended born German family members and a few WW II veterans. Other than the shakes you can get from old age, they all had shell shock.
Respect for both of your veterans
@@falloweroftheoneyoushouldh7974 Many thanks.
Hopefully he was just a regular Soldier and not involved in any War crimes. Too bad he fought for a lunatic.
@@kbanghart Luckily he wasn't involved in any war crimes. He was just a standard infantryman with low rank.
To cloud the issue more, there were over 500,000 thousand volunteers from the rest of Europe whole divisions were from Sweden Denmark etc.
The Latvian Waffen-SS had up to 80,000 people if I'm not mistaken
There were hundreds of thousands of Russians fighting with Germany against bolshevism too. They were naïve not to realise average Russians would have saw it as an invasion of their home
@@whomstdvent4844 You're naive for assuming that the Germans weren't just using them as expendable bodies. It's well known they weren't fans of Slavs. Many crimes would have been committed in eastern Europe even if the Russians were communist.
@@radacious29 I'm not denying that, only the 3rd wave of the Waffen-SS viewed Russians and Slavs as equal, most high ranking Germans despised Slavs and Russia. I'm saying that to not expect resistance to an invasion of their homeland was naïve, as if magically they were going to denounce bolshevism and throw flowers at their feet like they did in Ukraine.
@@whomstdvent4844 There weren't nowhere near "hundreds of thousands of Russians" among German ranks. It's questionable if there were any at all. Quit selling this narrative that Barbarossa was some liberation of the Slavic people from communism. The Nazis hated Slavs and planned to eradicate and enslave them (Generalplan Ost).
War is old men talking, young man dying
End of war is old men talking, young crying.
Well not the same as 3rd reich
Americans don't have the consept of the nation nor the motherland. In most other parts of the world, people go to war to defend their countries, wives and children. There're no such politics more important than your motherland and your family. At least that's what is most important for me or someone who is not American.
@@efe9625 muh freedom!!1!
@@efe9625 BULLSHIT - what tree did you fall out of, Efe? Must have hit your head VERY hard and can’t think straight anymore. Get yourself off to a brain doctor, you need a lot of help.
No, War is about poor men dying and old rich bastards giving orders behind the scenes. It's about rich and poor not young and old.
Everything the German said was true .
You mean ther hypocrisy?
@@lorenzopacchioni8078half
@@lorenzopacchioni8078 watch Europa The last battle
@@lorenzopacchioni8078 no.
About the Jew.
@@lorenzopacchioni8078youre just too brainwashed and stupid to realize youve been brainwashed by the press.
"In time of war, Law falls silent" - Cicero
"War is continuation of polocy by other means" -Von Clausewitz
Well more properly the saying would be rendered as, "In the clamor of arms the law is unheard."
@@unclejoeoakland waaaay less pithy though. One also need to express that. But I appreciate this comment a lot more than the one where the silly moo was telling me the "laws in Brussels are not the same as in Cicero" or something to that effect... Gotta love the internet, eh
And that is the music of life
@@Sassenhaim The music of life can be found here; ua-cam.com/channels/MSQ-Qb_BIkhQ9v2P9X8leA.html
Imagine what would they say If they saw how Europe is today
@Adolf Hitler I thought you were behind the moon with your dinosaur army
@@OuseBerk He actually came back...he played in the german movie Look Who's Back
Many of them after the war supported the Soviet Union over the US as they believed liberalism and not Marxism-Leninism would be the downfall of Europe, how right they were.
@@alwayswas8155 both suck , both are evil
@@19dollarfortnitecard35 Yeah, liberalism and Marxism-Leninism are pretty cringe
My grandfather died in a concentration camp.
He was drunk and fell off his guard tower 😢
Ayoo 😂😂
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The other guards were drunk too...they just didn't fall
Ahhh yes the movie Postal.
"War has its own laws"... Very convenient to ignore when justifying your own country's behavior. Even more convenient to use when trying to criticize the Russians and justify your own "necessary" invasions.
They raped women German didn’t sure some may have but there were laws on that. Bolshevism didn’t give a fuck about right and wrong. Russian Bolshevists invaded Germany and pillaged men and woman in villages in thousands. Germany never was first to invade and offered multiple peace offering to England at the same time as well. The only issue they had was that bolshevism is a dirty evil movement for years
The purest hypocrisy!
@@lukeskywalker6985 The human mind does amazing things to avoid admitting it can be a monster.
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The germans had probably the best conduct of warfare in the entire war. tf you talking abt?
“That’s right, we marched in.” 💀
@@paulmonn7988 Not a comparison.
@@paulmonn7988 We don't care about your opinion Mohamed, it doesn't have anything to do with WWII.
@@paulmonn7988 damn you guys wanna talk gaza everywhere right
Where were you during the syrian war? Where were you when the muslim minority in China is being killed in camps? Where were you during all the other endless conflicts in the middle east and in africa? (too many to count)
You were nowhere. Now shut your mouth. Go figure
"Bland statement" -skull emoji-
It's like you zoomers operate off a script.
@@SkeletonXin sounds like u a gay.
Netherland : "German did bad things first against us!"
Also netherland : *invade southeast asian countries*
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng read full history about Indonesian history. How Netherland came into southeast asia. I think you still don't know/understand about Indonesian and southeast asian history
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng really? Your vision about Indonesia being better if it had remained a dutch colony indicating how little you know about the history. At first, VOC is the one who run the entire thing, it means all its purpose is just to have wealth as much as they could. One of obvious thing is : Indonesian education during netherland era was so bad, so many workforce, slavery, etc. Meanwhile, when England colonized a country, they educate the people, giving them a better chance.
Then i'm taking your first comment, just to clarify, Indonesia only allied with Japan in the first arrival of Japan in Indonesia. Before that, there were a lot of resistance done by Indonesians. Indonesian allied with Japanese just because Indonesia don't have much choice knowing the netherland had a better technology. Indonesia declared its independence alone without support from both Japan and Netherland (Japan forbade the declaration of independence). And fight the invading netherland without Japan.
So what is your extensive knowledge about?
Two wrongs do not make a right.
Dutch soldier when my country(dutch colonies back then and now indonesia) invade by them again ,they force women to be they're wife because they not had any women or far from netherland.Still no one put them in jail ,there is some incident i sulawesi ,around 45.000 men killed by the dutch ,well i belive if dutch still in they're colonies ,there will be a racial problem and communism will easy take over all the east asia because they want to kick out imperialism such as dutch.
@@hafizhmanaf1459 kasih tau bro ,mereka buta akan kekejaman Belanda di indonesia ,mereka cuma antek kapitalis.
It such a refreshing change NOT to hear "we were just following orders." Its important to show this film because it is truth, how many Germans thought in the post war world. This is important for remembering real history in the future.
@@brettm7345 you know what you're right, I was conditioned to believe I don't deserve to die because I'm not white. It's all because I was conditioned that I considered this wrong.
yea I think it’s important we not hear excuses and lies that make all these soldiers seem innocent, when in reality many held the same beliefs as schmitler
@@MC32595 oy vey
@@MC32595 Defending their home country and killing partisans, nothing wrong with that.
@@MC32595 thats fucking bullshit
the wehrmacht was 18 million men strong
most of them were between 17 and 25 years old
which means that most couldnt have possibly voted for adolf hitler in the first place
( who by the way only very closely wont the election )
they were soldiers who had a job to do
thats it
The victors wrote the history books. On closer examination it turns out that the victors imposed genocidal retribution and called it "justice." Everybody was a loser except The State of Israel.
How was Germany a loser?
@commandergree68 You're asking how the country that lost the war is considered a loser? They lost, hence they're a loser. Understand?
@@baronzemo420 in the war directly, yes. But think of it more long term. Germany today is wealthy and prosperous, and I’d argue that it’s faaaar better off now than it would be had we won the war
@@satyagrahaahahahaa what a ridiculous statement, Germany was split into two and systematically destroyed and it’s native population has been infiltrated by millions and millions of islamists and third world immigrants. Germany is totally lost
@@satyagrahaa damn, you are retarded beyond measures.
That is the best answer I've ever heard of war crimes. "Is there evidence of this?" "Yeah...he never came back..."
The fucking partisan could have died in combat. In war.
@@davidbastardo4154 the 600 taken were not partizans , but the locals taken for labor.
@@davidbastardo4154 watch your language young gentalmen
@@davidbastardo4154Go fly your Nazi flag elsewhere, Adolf Jr. 🖕😐
@@geoms6263 What do you expect from a boy calling himself a bastard?
"You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest." Winston Churchill -
Emrys Hughes, Winston Churchill - His Career in War and Peace, p. 145
Well done.
Taken out of context.
By the way, every war between nations is aimed against its people.
Karl Heven “Taken out of context” lol funny how they recoil when we throw history back in their face.
@@karlheven8328 shut up you liar
Churchill was a demon
There is no evidence Churchill ever said this
"It's said that in the first week after they (Soviets) took Berlin all women who ran were shot and those who didn't were raped.I could have taken it if I had been allowed."
General Patton.
The Allied forces were complicit. They knew what the Red Hord was going to do on their way to Berlin and did nothing to stop them.
@@wewillovercome2133 Exactly, and when you say this people think it is a conspiracy. You can see it's affects on America today with the rise of Bolshevism and Marxism.
@@wewillovercome2133 In May 1945, General Eisenhower (who had publicly promised to abide by the Geneva Convention)illegally forbade German civilians to take food to prisoners starving to death in American camps.He threatened the death penalty for anyone found feeding the prisoners.
there is no punishment for the Germans for raped and killed soviet girls on eastern front.According to user @Heinisauerkraut said: My Grandpa was a military pastor with a rank of a major in the German Wehrmacht . Then | was a young boy ( about 1980 , I was 10 ) he took me and my older brother hiking , because he mapped wild graves of unknown soldiers who were fallen in the last days of the war , mostly from strafing fighter planes . He organized that they were put in proper graves in local graveyards and was later honored for this work . There he told us many stories about the war , especially in the east . Until almost the end of the war he had no own front line experience , but many soldiers came to him to confess their own experience to get some relive from the horrible things they saw or did . It took some years to really understand the things he told us . He told us , that the main difference between the campaign in France was , that you were at risk to get court martialled and shot if you stole only a chicken . In Russia you could steal , rape and murder without any punishment , because of the Führerbefehl . He told us , that most soldiers wouldn't have done it normally , but they almost did never anything against these crimes , and sometimes they helped or even joined , because of peer pressure . Some commanders forbade their soldiers to rape and kill civilians , but the only thing they could do was to put these soldiers into other units . And even the commanders who acted against rapes and murders , allowed or even encouraged to confiscate any food from the civilian population , so that they were condemned to starve to death . The result was almost the same in the end . He told us , which is now in accordance to my own experience , that were are only a few people are really evil , but on the other side there are also only a few people morally good . Most people are opportunists , and they act according to the circumstances , and if the circumstances allowing to do otherwise socially unacceptable acts , they will do it , if they get an advantage from that . So my Grandpa really know about the crimes on the eastern front , and because of that he tried not to get in soviet captivity . 1945 he was on leave at home south of Frankfurt , then he decided to dessert and hide in the woods . A thing he only told his children and later his grandchildren , and did not even write in his own memoirs . That is telling something about the German mindset , even long after the war . It was counted as more shameful to desert your unit , than to obey orders from a criminal regime . The military police told my grandmother , that if he returns he wont be shot , and in the end the pressure on was to high , and he surrendered two weeks before the Americans occupied his viage . He was court martialled ,degraded to the lowest rank and put into a penal battalion . His unit stand against the " Russians " in the area around Berlin . The Russians used loud speakers to demand the surrender , and after that someone in the unit shot the commanding officer , and the whole unit surrendered without a fight . My Grandpa was at this time quite sick from his time in the woods , and then they were inspected by a soviet female doctor , she asked him if he has children . He answered correctly that he has 8 children and showed photos of them . After that he got his release papers , and was allowed to go home . So in a lucky twist of fate , he survived his short time as soviet POW . If he were captured as military pastor in a rank of major , his fate would have been for sure much darker . I am very thankful for that experience with my grandfather . But even for me , it took some time , to remember the stories of my grandpa , then in the late 80's the discussion about the crimes of the Wehrmacht came up . This was the first time realized the full weight of the information in my head . Maybe it was so convenient to blame the SS and other nazi party organisations for all the bad things happened in the war
@@didih3339 Two thousand civilians murdered in 5 days.
What was this documentary/report called? Is the full version available?
just commenting here in case someone posts a link, so I get a notification!
@@johannlabertaler6095 same
@@lifefordummies I actually found out further down in the comments:
it's called "On the Threshold of Oblivion" and is available for rent on Vimeo. I highly recommend it.
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I never expected Germans to argue about something so grave... yet remain so civil! No shouting matches like we have in the US.
Very common attitude in Germany and Scandinavia. The other way around happens in Southern Europe, though, specially in Spain and Italy.
They aren't obnoxious like the brits or yanks.
These are literal Nazis you chode.
Ikr
This was a different time. People had more manners in the US and UK too.
General Patton .."We have defeated the wrong enemy".
Then he died in an "accident" a couple of months later.
Please stop
"The good guys will always be seen as the bad guys and the bad guys will always be seen as heroes"
Example, people hating on the US for being "Imperialists" and people believing in communism.
@Dogu Kilickap Communism is the bad guy, but always seen as good guys, I can easily ask anyone about what he thinks about the bolshevik trash, and they'll actually talk good about them, meanwhile if I talk about what they think about America, they'll say it's imperialistic, trashy and stinky.
TurnOffThe Talmudvision Don’t forget that they also ignored the Soviet occupation of Poland AFTER the war was over. Defense of Poland was only ever an excuse
Takes guts to keep fighting knowing your out numbered and out gunned
You're
Did anyone have an option in those days ?
It's live or die - there was no escape for 99,9999 % of the people.
@@theoderich1168 it’s something I personally couldn’t fathom. Europe during the war . Makes problems/events that have happened in recent decades look microscopic
@@JoboMcFakeAF you are absolutely right, it takes a lot of courage. I have been trying to imagine what it must have been like to have lived in those days - it is almost impossible.
Already as a kid I have been interested in ww2, in Germany it is present all the time and still almost no one I knew spoke about it. My mother never spoke about her father who died at the front in Holland in 1944, that did not make things better for the younger folks living with a taboo they could not grasp.
Axis started the Eastern front with 8 million troops.
The Red Army had 6 million troops.
Public statistic.
For fuck sake.
This whole conversations is really eerie and chilling. The comment section is truly something else. It also made me think about how when you're taught about WW2 and the rise to power of the nazis, it all sounds like this grand and sudden event, and yet, the situation we're in doesn't seem all that different than the 30s upon some consideration. But yeah, going back to the conversation; a lot of people in the comments seem to praise these men for how eloquent they are, but their rhetoric is just pathetic; sure, an interesting historical document, but what they are saying is so awful, what makes it digestible and for some even appealing, is the context and their manners. When I got to the end, I felt the need to give that woman a hug, what a disturbing situation
you're such a puss lmao
Your comment is eerie.
Them being against R*pe is eerie in your opinion? Alrighty
@@evs251 @evs251 Did I say that? No. I didn't. I said "whole conversation", not a specific statement. If that's what you understood, you might as well have asked me if the fact that the lady is from Putten is eerie.
@@evs251 I feel like this is some nazi dogwhistle comment because r@pe is mentioned absolutely nowhere here.
Apart from all the politics, it’s crazy that the guns for the Soviet T-34 were designed by Krupp!
During Weimar Republic there was huge tech transfer from Germany to USSR. The AT guns Soviets were using were copies of German ones.
they were somewhat "allies" at the beginning and the Soviets even had the Germans test their military tech in Russia to avoid detection from the Western countries. All before the war broke out of course.
@@catharperfect7036wrong it happened also during the Nazi-Soviet Alliance
It wasn't. F-34 gun was designed in Gorky design biro. There were also normal optical sights installed, not a bad one too. 1500m was pretty hefty effective range for a gun of that era.
He made up story from a whole cloth, like a used car salesman.
@@CirKhan The Germans were also never making first round hits at ranges like that. Nobody was during WW2 with tanks consistently. As you said, total fabrication.
I'm sure there were some German manufactured cannons somewhere in the Soviet Union, but not tens of thousands of them arming every Soviet tank.
Kind of reminds me of the saying 'war doesn't determine who is right, only who is left' (alive).All sides used propaganda and it's entirely possible these German soldiers were fighting in their various units, theatres and experiences and never saw any war crimes. It's also possible they were brainwashed or did see such atrocities. Remember, the war involved literally millions of people from all over the world and each person who participated, lived and even died had their own individual story.
It's important to study history so the same mistakes are not made again but in saying that, you also need to use caution when applying perspective to how you view history especially with those who lived, breathed and experienced it firsthand.
Britian killed around 10 million indians during world war 2. France killed around 3 million Algerians and 2 Million Moroccans. But they dont teach this in schools. They brainwashed everyone thinking only germany committed genocides.
@@speartongamer6080 first, the number is debatable, second that conflict was for a period of more than 10 years... every single country has committed atrocities towards others
@@embalmertrick1420 not my country
@@embalmertrick1420 10 million is quite a conservative number tbh.
@@embalmertrick1420 ok, but why were he atrocities of France and Britian never taught in schools?
Still has the grindset, after all these years
sigma grindset
Based Ligma Grindset
tsuacoloH ageM tnemucoD evihcrA tell eh gramm chan el.
Reichset
@@redrumreverse964 That's an entire different level from Sigma lol.
- They didn't sign the Geneva Convention
- Well you guys also broke the rules by invading Netherlands
"War has its own laws"
The international red cross did regular inspections of all concentration camps and never found any wrongdoing, you ignorant ape
@@damianoasteriti8530 yeah? show me documents about regular inspections of Auschwitz, Treblinka etc.
He literally said that it was justified because they were partisans...
As far as I know, Germany signed Geneva Convention - so they decided, that they will obey the rules. So now they only look for an excuse for the fact, that they didn't.
Pacta sunt servanda.
Even if the enemy is not a side of the convention, those, who signed it should obey it's rules.
I know, that the soviets committed numerous crimes and atrocities (as big part of them were committed on citizens of my country) , but it doesn't change anything. It's about who you want to be: same bastard, as they were (and are), or someone, who doesn't have a problem with looking at the mirror.
@@paulusradomski as said war has its own laws
My father was deported from Holland traveling by cattle wagon to Germany.
Slight issue was he was born in Hamburg but his father was Dutch. His mother moved to Holland when he was six so he was considered legally Dutch.
He had a few stories to tell but also one's of the positive side of human nature while a prisoner also, including a German guard that refused to carry a firearm and their being allowed to raid a railway yard for coal for their stove, he reckoned the German guards just looked the other way.
His older brother once they clued up to his heritage was 'invited' to join the army on the Eastern front. Taken prisoner he managed an escape with a group and were successful. They had learnt that their life expectancy was not long. Later he was again a POW of the British, I think? But escaped again.
This is a deeply touching family history. Sending my thoughts to your father and his brother ❤ They were geniuses of survival.
in the WW2 time most of my grandpas were children...
@@Hasio-Maszkietnik Wow. How many do you have?
@@dibaldgyfm9933 That's a good comment, they were. Interestingly they had another brother that never saw conflict till after the war. He was drafted into the Dutch Imperial Army, he caused so much trouble that those senior to him addressed him as 'Mr Hart', and ask him if he wanted to what ever task was at hand, he would apparently normally decline.
My father said his brother was invited to join MENSA so I think he used his smarts to get his own way.
my grandpa whom i didnt get to meet as he passed before i was born was in holland as well, were deutch, he was like your uncle 'invited' to join the military. He ended up in a resistance group that would smuggle american and allied pilots who were shot down and survived back to friendly lines. He was caught with an american pilot i believe and was sent to a concentration camp. He had some gnarly scars on his neck from a experiment they did on him there. He told my mom about how they would have hidden pockets in their coats to try to smuggle food back to their family, he got caught with a thing of milk and they poured it out in front of him. Ultimately he was liberated when the camp was bombed if i recall correctly either that or allied troops jsut showed up and he was able to escape in the fighting. He came to america afterward but i still have a lot of family in Holland and Poland. We still have a old nazi trench coat he took off a dead soldier
I thought that was pretty civil, compared to U.S. citizens.
That bcuz were proud Americans. Get it right
@@JoeDiGiovanniIV bruh
USA: We've proudly killed millions of innocent people in the name of globalism... I mean democracy and freedom! USA USA USA!!!
@@Bristecom too bad we didn't get you too
@@JoeDiGiovanniIV I am a true American you idiot. Anyone who supports globalism is a traitor - pure and simple!
Those first 55 seconds are pure class, haha what a bloke.
the Germans xDDD
So proud
My elevator in my building in Belgium is made by Krupp
No kidding
@@malinwa4ever315 mijn oma heeft ook een van krupp🤣
@@malinwa4ever315 The Ikea in the Heerlen ( NL) has a Schindler's Lift...... LOL
He kinda talks like Jeremy Clarkson in a way
To be fair, if I'm not mistaken, no Russian soldiers was attacking Germany, it was Germany that started to mess with Russia.
Russia at the time was zionist owned, they monitored closely that the poles were murdering ethnic Germans before the war and the Russians did nothing.
what a wealth of knowledge.
Operation Barbarossa was the name of the invasion of Russia by Germany.
Adolf had many crazy opinions and thoughts... There's also evidence to suggest that he started the war with poland and ussr to get the farmland due to his "Shrinking markets" theory. Industrialized nation sells tools to agrarians, agrarians become industrialized, nobody makes food anymore. Thus he wanted to take the rich soil of the east and all that Lebensraum crap. TIKHistory has videos on this and he shows the sources for his statements along the way
Because stalin planned bolshevism of whole europe. It was a preemptive strike. Opposing communism is justified from any moral basis standpoint
"War has its own laws"
True now and even more so 80 years ago!
yea......so dont start them like hitler did
@@alexandersmith4237 Hitler had some private business to settle with Poland, he didn't start any war, it is France and Britain who declared war on Germany, why? To defend Poland. Did they defend Poland? Of course not, they never had any intention to defend anyone, they just Used Poland to get their war, if they had minded their own business there wouldn't have been a world war and millions of lives would have been saved.
"In time of war, law falls silent" - Cicero
(way pithier in Latin)
@@blacktoothfox677 Cicero had no laws probably even in peace time but we have the Hague, the Red Cross and Geneva but on top of that we have dignity, respect and honor!
Correction, "we have" should be replaced by "we had", those who fight wars according to the principles of human dignity and international conventions always lose, viciousness, cheating and a total lack of respect for human life are now the principles that win wars, there"s no other way.
@@rosesprog1722 how do people like you exist
Don't got any German relatives, but my great uncle is a Ukrainian volunteered for them when they were invaded. Bolsheviks killed most of his family in the interwar period and hatred for them and a lust for revenge is really all that was driving him at that point in his life, so he joined the German invasion, and never had any regrets for it.
How did he survive after the war?
Yeah, many Ukraines received the Germans as liberators and stuff but as soon as they realized what Nazis really wanted to do there (mass executions of civilians, whole cities burned to the ground, mass starvations , mass rapes) they joined the Partisans and the Red Army en masse. Yeah, a psychopath like Stalin was actually better than Nazi rule.
You know Nazis had plans to exterminate 50% of Ukrainian population, don’t you? If you really think Ukraine would be better under Nazi rule, you are dreaming. As for your grandfather (collaboration with people who wanted to exterminate his own) the Nazis considered the their local collaborators inferior. Heydrich even had this written. The Slavs closer to Aryans were those fighting and resisting against the Germans. Collaborators were considered the lowest scum from the scum.
Maybe your grandfather wasn’t like this, but collaborators took part in the mass murder of civilians, including very young children.
@@alisp.4384 Well, you must keep in mind people then and there didn't have 75 years of information to look back through as it was unfolding, and most of what we know of what occurred in (what would become) the Eastern Bloc nations/SSRs is based off Soviet records as the West was not allowed to investigate. With that in mind, I'll tell you what I was told.
My great uncle lived is a smaller village in the Rivne Oblast, the Germans would eventually reach it, after reaching it he witnessed no rape, the town wasn't razed, and none of the civilians were killed. Resources, however, were seized. At the time there were no actual Soviet military in the town so the Germans sort of just walked in (for lack of a better term). I think it's safe to assume, whatever a Nazi party member was plotting back in Berlin, the Wehrmacht that entered the town was completely unaware of, so to my great uncle there appeared to be no ill intent. The Germans lifted the restrictions on religion the Soviets imposed, and it was not long after he volunteered since the Germans were taking them. He was aware the Germans were not saints by any means, but he maintained a "better them than the reds" attitude. He never personally witnessed any of the atrocities often cited with the exception of Soviet POWs being executed (which didn't bother him), most of his time was either laboring or fighting the Red Army. He never had any dealings with the SS (or any that he spoke of anyway) though.
So, stop and think for one moment. A brutal regime kills most of your family and starves your people, then another brutal regime comes, but doesn't seem _as_ brutal (there was no internet, or phone, or TV, or w/e people today take for granted to know what happened in Poland), and the soldiers have not personally mistreated you or your neighbors. So who do you side with? The regime that killed your family and starved your people? Or the regime that is killing them? I can only assume it was a no brainer. You are not going to gaslight me in to thinking my great uncle was a bad man because he sided with "muh nahtzees!". War isn't black and white.
@@SilencedReflex I know he remained in Ukraine for most of his life, I always assumed he kept the fact he defected a secret, as he would have been imprisoned at least, but most likely executed, had the state known. He's been dead for about two decades now so I can't ask for details.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark
First of all, that is not what “gaslight” mean. Look up what it really is.
Second, don’t be so naive. Your great-uncle was a collaborator. What the Nazis (and this includes Wehrmacht) did in Eastern Front was brutal. What I told you wasn’t taken from Soviet books, but from Western books and papers peer reviewed and published with first hand witnesses accounts and revised numbers. It took decades for the US to take a look at the Eastern Front, since many the crimes were committed not by SS, but Wehrmacht and the politics at the time was the “Clean Wehrmacht” myth. The Nazi plans for Ukraine (at least 50% of the population murdered by mass starvation) was taken from German records . The Nazi hated the Slavs and considered them sub-human, not much better than the Jews.
But you’re right. At first the German just walked into villages, taking some of the food , chatting with the locals, being received as liberators. At first.
Ukraine was one of the countries who suffered one of the greatest civilian losses, massacres, atrocities, (together with Poland, Belarus and Russian). Do you really think your great-uncle would admit any of of this, to his own family, including his young nephew the atrocities that happened during the war? I find it very hard to believed he didn’t even heard what was happening. I just told you collaborators took part in many of these atrocities. I’m not saying your uncle did those things, but he certainly wouldn’t say to his own family all that he witnessed. Soldiers rarely talk to their family the things they witnessed, much less did, during the war. I’ve watched an interview with a German Wehrmacht soldier who told the interviewer he took forty year to admit to his family what he had witnessed in the Eastern Front. He didn’t even told the interviewer what he did witnessed, but his lips were trembling , he was stuttering and almost crying just remembering it.
I’m not saying your uncle was a bad man, maybe he was in denial. War do terrible things to people. But there no heroes here.
I have relatives on both sides, my grandfather was a resistance fighter. While 3 of my great grand uncles were drafted into the Wehrmacht due to being born in Germany. None of them made it home. My great-grandmother had to seek shelter in the basement of their farm when the Germans were relocating people due to the fighting going on in the area. They hid there for weeks, and when they were found by allied soldiers they were surprised that there were any civilians even left in the area at all.
We defended our country against bolshevism... we had to fight Americans in Italy, Africa and France
But in reality, IF it was only about Bolshevism then they wouldn't have done everything else 🤦♂️
If they were ONLY trying to stop the spread of communism then they could've easily negotiated deals and alliances with France, UK, USA, and all of the rest of anti-communist Europe. But because it was never just about stopping the USSR and communism, they didn't.
Their argument makes sense... until you consider EVERYTHING ELSE they did.
Tbf, they didn't get to decide over any of that
@@reasonablyserious they don't seem to be sorry about that
@@tobyalder42 Why should they be sorry for fighting as commanded, and in a mostly civilized manner against Anglo-American forces? Our own ground troops were mostly civilized in return.
@@Morrigi192 Because they fought for Hitler and the Nazi regime, have you heard about that? Because their fight led to the occupation of their country? Bombing cities has nothing to do with "mostly civilized manner".
Honestly war is a huge thing with thousands of people in thousands of places, one veterans account is really just a tiny portion of the bigger war, especially in WW2 where battles were so spread out. Did these guys kill Russian civilians, my guess is no. I just think they weren’t in the places and around with people where this kind of thing happened, or they just never saw it happen, which can be totally expected in such a large war. More than anything I really feel bad for these guys, I just don’t think they have the capacity to believe that the country(Hitler’s Germany) that they sacrificed blood sweat and tears and more importantly the guys they fought next to had the capacity to be extraordinarily evil. It’s a hard thing to turn on your friends your country, especially when your experiences don’t match with the crimes that happened in other areas. Really I think these guys are in denial, they know it happened, they just don’t want to believe it because it would ruin their experience of the war.
Yup. Though warcrimes in eastern europe were very common so they had to have seen a few things.
Mhm, one man’s experiences can lean into what the war was like but cannot account for all of it. Many, millions, from West to East joined the Germans and the Nazis to fight against Bolshevism and I’m sure that’s what was pushed harshly, since what a lot of what they saw was the oppression of the Soviets as they came and grew their power. Each side had their fair share of freedom fighters, horrid criminals, crazed sadists, valiant warriors, and honorable men and women. No matter where you looked it came down to the quality of those that lead, and how they felt about what they did and were doing, including the men who followed.
If they killed civilians they probably called them partisans. Which they did hint at. Fun fact is that behavior isn't uncommon in warfare for that reason. But when a major part of the cause is ethnic cleansing. Then one can expect much more draconian expressions of war.
If they fought in russia it was almost a guarantee you saw war crimes.
@@edie9158 No, your symmetrism is just whitewashing and a cheap one. Only small percentage of eastern europeans helped Germany with war agains USSR and they were far-right even before the war. German country was an invader and "bad guy" from first minutes of war, just educate yourself and check what have they done to captured soldiers and civilians during '39 campaign or after Barbarossa. If fact, Nazis created great genocide machine which was supported by almost all Germans. The myth that only SS soldiers were fanatic ones and Wehrmacht was only "regular, non-brutal men forced to coscript and fight for their country" is only a myth. Just read and learn, it doesn't hurt...
History is the most important subject ever.
wym by that
@John S. False.
Bless you for that... restored my faith in the internet/humanity just a tiny little bit
Genius
@@mashedpotato4465 what you mean by wym
when patton got to berlin he said "We have deafeated the wrong enemy"
Patton was certainly silenced !
Patton and Churchill were strong advocates of the immediate rearmament the German people. They had a devastated population, but the German experience of fighting the Soviets was seen as an invaluable asset. Both Churchill and Patton agreed, after Germany surrendered, the time was perfect to press into the USSR and end Stalinism, German advisors being critical to that effort. The human race almost became endangered, possibly extinct if the Cuban missile crises had gone the other way, luckily it didn’t. Patton was assasinated, Churchill was forced out of office.
hey brandon88 there was no marching to Moscow by the allies, the Russians had the greatest land army ever assembled at that point
Then patton was assassinated basically
@@jamesgall475 Yes he was. The U.S. Government killed Patton.
Evil won but there is time…
My grandfather on my mother's side was a Scotsman who fought for Australia's 2/28 th and was captured by Rommels forces at Tobruk. He was well treated by the Germans and spoke highly of Rommel.
Los que ganan escriben la historia
@@ChrisWZMfacts
Danke...deutschland!
@@dagmarvandoren9364 ❤️
Too bad Jews didn't see Germans the same way.
"German soldiers didn't do that. If they did, they were sent to the Strafbataillon"
Meanwhile in the Strafbataillon:
That's what I was thinking.
Germans barely did this even if it happened, Americans were far worst more than 1M rape just in France.... and so were the Russians...
what happened in the Strafbataillon?
@@omicrontheta38 Watch the movie "Come And See"
@@omicrontheta38 riggity rape
Being a German solider back then sure put you in a precarious position
and see how we forget that today..
No it didn't; it was a very clear choice. You either participated in the war crimes, or you didn't. Obviously these men could care less how many civilians they murdered on their way into and out of the Soviet Union.
@@DasGeneral12 if they decided they wouldnt want to, they would be executed for treason. simple as that. Kill or be killed.
Imagine being a Jewish heritage German soldier. Someone who trained and believed in the glory of Germany and the expression of her values after proving your metal as a boy in the Great War. Must've sucked balls
@@marcuspoosz2190 Yeah that's not an excuse at all. Getting a transfer to the police battalions and Einsatzgruppen was voluntary, and executing civilians isn't war. It's a war crime. We tried, convicted, and executed the officers that ordered it.
I lived with Germans at uni, they said History is written by the victors.
🤣
What you laughing at retard?
ok so what?
@@marvin2678 nothing slave. keep consuming lies
Then how they know the true story yet they remain alive? Unlike in fascism
My grandfather always use to tell me: "Hands out of pockets!".
Hah mine too and "stand up straight" and ""look me in the eye". Cell phones would have made him mad.
One winter as a young lad I slipped on the ice with my hands in my pockets, my chin paid the price. Lesson learned and never forgotten.
My great grandfather was in the Wehrmacht and in the invasion of France and was eventually sent to the eastern front to fight against the Russians, he was killed in combat by a Russian hand grenade. One of his buddies told my grandma and my great grandmother about his death years after the war
RIP bozo
@@jackstrawfromwichita6168 nah ur the bozo
@@jackstrawfromwichita6168Commemorate the fallen.
@@Donfryesmustache I'm not going to commemorate those who fought on behalf of genocidal murderers.
@@jackstrawfromwichita6168 they only fought for their country, not for nazis. take rommel for example, not all soldiers were nazis who murdered jews, gays etc.
"They were soldiers once, and young"
-Every war has it's atrocities. Vietnam (My Lai), Iraq, on and on,..
All future military campaigns should inlude children of all politicians who vote for it!
The nazi war machine did not have isolated atrocities, such as the may lai massacre you mention. The entire nazi war campaign was an atrocitie. Viet Nam was a terrible disaster for the U.S. however don't ever compare the nazi's murderous madness and genocide to U.S. Viet Nam disaster.
@@Rayburn58 true
Yes the US were real sweet hearts burning villages and naplaming people.
@@Rayburn58 Good point. In response to Marc Roche, " all future military campaigns should include children of all politicians, "and their wives in the front lines. That wouldn't end war but might delay it a bit.
War is Hell
this is his point of view of the war. now imagine if they won the war. how would old allied soldiers explain their actions and how we would perceive it with values that the axis will impose on us. this is just many of the what-ifs history.
I would not exist then.
I think they get should have diverted all forces to fight back the Russians and let the Americans take over everything so that way they would not have been split and mistreated as bad as they were
the old allied soldiers would say "thank god they won"
If the Germans won the war there would not be the Israel Palestine problem. Its a shocking thought to imagine Hitler and the Nazi ruling the globe for the last 80 years my god what would the world be like
@@opinionday0079 utopia
Yeah, what documentary is this from? It’s very powerful.
Funny you say that: I just acquired that documentary.
@@andreiluta6960 agree👍
Don’t watch that bullshit. Wasted hours of my life.
It's actually a docs online film. I think it is called On the Threshold of Oblivion.
society lol I’m not a Jew. I have more Aryan blood if you believe that bullshit stuff. It’s Norse mythology you inbred fuck. I know more about your bullshit belief system then you, and most of your kind. If I were a Jew then that’s cool in your view we control the money so it isn’t that bad
"Only the dead have seen the last of war" Very appropriate quote!
i love her face when they just own their invasion of the netherlands, she is SPEECHLESS.
I mean it isn't like the allies were any different.
Look at the british invasion of neural Iceland in WW II,
same thing.
The moment the British and the French declared war on Germany the occupation of western Europe became absolutely imperative for the Germans. Those actions turned what would have been eastern war against bolshevism into the most deadly and destructive war the world has ever seen... Incidentally the German government asked the Dutch on 2 occasions to allow occupation. Both times they were refused, hence the invasion.
Ever wonder why even 80 years after their defeat so much time and energy is spent on demonizing nazis. It' because if there is only two things in this world that scares the absolute crap out of communism it is Jesus Christ and a National Socialist.
Gott Mit Uns
In a way, I felt sorry for her. After being told by a German WW2 veteran, "War has its own laws". He walk away but turned around and gently patted her on the back.
I feel bad for her too
Nazis were too brutal
I understand revenge for a partisan attack but out of 700 only 49 returned!?
@@M4lenia I mean the soviets committed even more atrocities
@@ashdown4441 Even if that were true, it does not in any way excuse German atrocities.
@@M4lenia The Stasi repaid in kind the children of the nazis who stayed behind the red blood iron curtain.
@@ashdown4441 & even after the war by their stasi thugs.
The narcissist's prayer:
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not our fault.
And if it was, we didn't mean it.
And if we did, you deserved it.
@Real Man Die Another edgelord. Have you ever genuinely considered the fact that you might not have the best ideas if your thought process just boils down to "genuinely support the bad argument for the meme"?
@Real Man Die I'd be angrier if they invaded my country. Don't invade, and you won't get blown to pieces by partisans. They were justified. The Wehrmacht was not. Should have stayed home.
@Jesus Is Lord Don't invade peoples homeland and you won't get ambushed lol
@Jesus Is Lord Jesus would smite you, false Christian
@@jesusislord1153 "justified bro" - the words where even the last person knew that your father failed in life.
that ladys face when he said "war has its own laws"
@Truth Seeker what does the 2039 stand for? im already subscribed to that channel too.
Probably because he went 2 inches from her face with his shit Nazi breath
Non-Verbal Communication will out.
@@j.b.8800
Onions of Fear.
She's thinking "what a cunt".
Good old guys, last defenders of Europe and white guys.
As much as I respect them, it's pretty stupid saying "Geneva convention, Strafbattalion, etc." and two minutes later "war has no laws".
Better to say "the Dutch were allied with the British so they'd invaded from there" or some logical argument rather than contradict themselves
I think you misread the translation. He said, "War has its own laws". Was it against the law to invade a country without a declaration of war back then?
they are neurotics. it's when the child is traumatized to be perfect, can't deal with being wrong, mistaken, fooled, deceived.
this results in compulsive lying and contradicting actions and speech. they're quite simply functionally insane.
I don't respect them or you because it's all bullshit. Not only did Germany start the war, the Netherlands and Belgium also weren't allied with France and Britain. Belgium had even denied French requests at fortifying against Germany pointing at their neutrality. Invading a neutral country was simply a tool towards finishing off the aggressive war.
1. Yes, in order to invade a country “legally” you’d wanna declare war.
2. The Dutch were not allied to the British in either World War, they were neutral until the invasion in 1940
@@gottmituns1938
Well, yeah, that's why there's such a thing of "declaration of war" to begin with. Theoretically it must go through a certain diplomatic procedure.
Q:How did Germany capture Poland?
A: They marched in backwards and told them they were leaving
Hahahaha
Stupid comment, must be an American....
Ever hear about the polish army building a bridge across the sahara then chasing italian fishermen off of it?
@@fureuropa-gegennwo1259 Probably..i don't get it..
@@fureuropa-gegennwo1259 actually, I thought it sounded like a German joke that mocks the Poles.
"lol we just marched right in!" fkn based...
They both flew in (Falschrimjägers, paratroopers.) And marched in lol
Evil pieces of shits. You can tell these old men were the simple-minded brainwashed troops from back in the day.
@@taterowe2023 Ok buddy you are probably a leftist.
@@Solarius1983 Yup. Like the ones who won the war, loser nazi bitch
@@dorkmax7073 they ain't Nazis fucktard
What is it with Americans saying lefties and righties just stfu so annoying
Patton said: "We fought the wrong enemy". Not long after that he was assassinated... I think we were duped.
so you are saying that germany was the good guy and should have won?
@@plavsk If you even bothered to read Patton's memoirs... He stated that the regular (not SS) German army was composed of fine men who were being misled by great evil. Really, I think at the end they knew it too. What the allies did in my opinion was wake the common German soldier up to the reality of the situation, but the threat of evil still existed (to this day) through communism. Patton viewed this no different than the Nazis, and so it had to be defeated.
@@LibertyAndUnion well that is not true.
it is a fact among historians that the wehrmacht was by no means clean and comitted warcrimes.
@@plavsk i don't know what libertyandunion meant but Patton just thought the ussr was stronger and more dangerous and worried about a potential ww3
@@LibertyAndUnionSo rather then saying we fought the wrong enemy and should feel guilty for getting rid of Hitler, we should have just gone after Russia right afterwards. Saying Patton’s quote is basically saying a Nazi victory with their tyranny is better then the world of freedoms we have today
"We march without permission"
Based grandpa's
They complain about Russians committing war crimes while bragging about invading a neutral country.
Sounds more like they're grasping at straws
@@TheMasterTelevision i smell that your account is freshly made. Seems like a troll born from codes i see. Your comment will be nothing.
@@doctorchaotic3415 Can’t handle the truth or what? How anybody justifies what the nazis did has to be braindead
They should have asked permission, it's obvious they wouldn't have received it but the gesture would have gone a long way with average Dutch people and as a consequence could have recruited far more Dutch people to help them in the east.
@Charles Martel Who in their right mind is gonna listen to a absolutely horrendous 2 and a half hour long speech? Dude, condense your info.
Patton:I pissed into the wrong river.
deep bro
@Newbuild Muse I think you got the wrong comment
@Newbuild Muse Can you show the poll you are talking about?
I love how she just stays there like “wtf” at the end
@Hanz Franz says the indoctrinated sheep
See? I can use bias too 🙃
@Chet Muggins gotta love how people always shout "EDGY" whenever someone says anything good about the germans, just to make those opinions seem illegitimate. please go away, thanks.
@Hanz Franz ok nazi relax
@Hanz Franz it’s ok, comrade we will win in the end for the Lord is on our side and smiles brightly upon us for the truth be with us, and in the end times we will be vindicated and our enemies will be smited in the name of Christ. Amen.
@@thewanderingstruggler8601 Wotan mit uns.
I love how they look so skeptical then when she outs her great uncle as a partisan their eyes all light up in understanding.
She didn't "out" her great uncle as a "partisan," the attack that prompted the (illegal) reprisal on civilians was committed by "partisans" (a.k.a. people against the invader of their home country). There is no indication her great uncle was anything other than a civilian in the town. Defending war crimes isn't a good look.
@@jsquared1013 im sure you understand it better than them...they only fought it youre a guy online
The killing of almost the complete male population of Putten is a well known fact of the Dutch past during WWII. The men were taken away as revenge they were not all members of the resistance. What happened was that the German officer that was killed by the resistance was laying dead on the streets close to the village. That was the only reason the Germans choose Putten. It was a matter of installing fear into the Dutch population to let let them know they were never safe and that any counterattacks would be severely punished.
@@RichardLove-r4l Of course... they only fought for Hitler, I'm sure they'd have an objective view on the Wehrmacht and warcrimes...
I probably don't even have to ask which type of party gets your swastika in any election.
@@jsquared1013 if you were from a town that had partisans YOU were a partisan. that's sound thinking in war.
The Catholic nuns would run when they heard that the Russians coming.
Because they scream "WAR CRIMESSS" when they walk into a village
German soldiers were infinitely more cruel and sex crazed.
@@greathornedowl1783 GIs r *ped and killed their French allies while the US Army Generals turned a blind eye. Interesting article.
@@alicesmith2306 I'm sure they did but its nothing in comparison to the atrocities of the third Reich. There's nothing to compare here.
Every woman would. In the Bolshevik invasion of East Prussia, every woman between eight years old and eighty years old was repeatedly gang raped when found; and then killed. This is why there are no Germans in East Prussia and Pomerania anymore.
This museum has got living specimens
Anyone know the name of this documentary? Really want to watch it
Edit: it’s called On The Threshold Of Oblivion, thanks @martinmlakar123
Im interested too
Me TOO
I believe that this video is prohibited, because it can awaken hidden truths.
Obviously not a documentary. Scripted drama. Very well done.
might be on Bitchute or Altcensored. That's where videos revealing the truth are that were banned from youtube. Idk of a documentary but most likley is a part of one, and it would contain many truths hidden from us all, ones that would change the way we see history
1:01 - 1:25 Never truer words have been spoken
not true, the germans fought for the eradication and subjugation of the eastern peoples, it is mentioned and explained in mein kampf by hitler
The interesting thing was, in spite of their different opinions, it was a civil exchange of words! One can't even have a conversation now in a nation where "Free Speech" is a guaranteed right.
And, yet, here we are, having a conversation. Nothing prevents one from having a conversation in the USA. One simply can’t assume someone might not get angry in that convo…
@@temsedgwick9494 i literally cannot have a civil conversation with people nowadays, they go manic and sometimes physical (like how right-wingers are abused in both north America and Europe), I know there are people who're able to comprehend points and able to conversate in a civilised way, but they're quite difficult to find and almost instinct
When you say “right wingers”, are you referring to say, a typical GOP voter (in USA), or are you referring to European and/or American neo-nazis? If it’s the latter, then, yeah, fuck the nazis…
@@temsedgwick9494 a typical GOP voter, i've seen 10s of people wearing MAGA hats getting harrassed and had their hats stolen, and even one was killed during the BLM riots for supporting trump, I don't care what your ideology is, just don't turn it physical/violent or force it upon someone, you could be a nazi and I wouldn't care as long as you don't harm anyone (essentially keeping to yourself) because I believe everyone is free to follow whatever ideology or view they would like (again as long as they don't inflict harm upon anyone)
The American conception freedom of speech has been bastardized and distorted by the conservative party in order to manufacture rage and political discontent.
The freedom of speech, and in fact every other 1st amendment right, is the freedom *from government interference* on speech. You want to call your boss's mother a whore? Well, good news, you legally can't be jailed or fined for it, but unfortunately there is no legal basis for preventing your boss from firing you for being an asshole.
It's the freedom to speak, not the freedom from consequences.
Grow up and realize that sounding and acting like an asshole means people will treat you like one. If you want to complain about 'snowflake liberals', don't cry when Mommy Government doesn't bail you out of your own deserved problems.
My great grandfather served in the war, my father and I have served, and I’d love to sit and chat with these guys about their experiences. It’s like the “other side” that we seldom hear about
Your great grandfather was part of an evil machinery. The Wehrmacht was complicit in ethnic cleansing not just the SS. It’s a documented fact. There aren’t always “two sides” to a debate.
I know these type of guys. Whenever German veterans came together, one or two "watchdogs" were sitting among them and intervened as soon as anyone criticized the Nazis. These guys justifying the war look, talk, and act like those watchdogs. There were many "normal" veterans around, not daring to say a word. 40 years after the war! For those who are interested in German war experiences I recommend a film made of private Super 8 footage about the early months of Barbarossa. It was forbidden to film, that's why the film is called "der verboten Film": ua-cam.com/video/-ZuplevJoyw/v-deo.html
You wouldn't learn anything, these guys are completely brainwashed and on top of that they're also just deliberately lying.
I mean it’s a very gruesome past why would anyone be proud / want to share stories about being a solider from that side
@@rza9524 The people here extolling how cool and refreshing it is to "hear the other side" are Nazi sympathizers. That's why.
0:46
*Thats why I always repeat*
*Krupp steel, German quality*
A real German nationalist!
This guy Thiel is charming in his own way. I like his pride
German quality weaponry was not designed for cold weather combat (hint eastern europe), Soviet weaponry was.
German weaponry and tanks were far superior but they got outnumbered. Soviets and Americans are not jokes.
@@АскарТуребеков-ж2н Nope, the German tanks were abosolutely useless as shown in Kursk. A simple collision completely destroyed them.
@@HD-uh7nj Nah, germans were outnumbered. 1 Tiger tank could destroy at least 5 Russian tanks, but they had far lesser number of tanks and resources than allied forces. Soviet Union, USA, UK etc. all of them were against them.
I feel bad for the German man in the middle that the other two weren't letting talk. You could tell he was disturbed by the whole conversation and the war itself. At the end he just walks away when the conversation turned into a tit for tat way of talking. Poor guy
The difference in mentality between current generation that seeks to connect and make friends with as many people from other countries as possible and the old generation that sought to destroy as many people from other countries as possible. It's a false belief to say that the older people are always right and the young people should always listen to them without asking any questions. I believe that a lot of young people today are much smarter than a lot of old people.
The look of sadness on the Dutch woman's face tells of her loss of heritage and family. The Germans didn't even acknowledge it.
I think it is sadly fitting that she tells her story about the encirclement of her village to those German veterans as they start to encircle her.
Lol, what a bunch of baloney.
@@ungeimpfterrusslandtroll7155 Nurembourg Trials - Germans hanging by their necks - true justice
Honestly she came to a museum during a tour of German veterans and tried to make them feel bad. These are the same guys who believed in what they were doing in 1939+. It's not like the war ended and they were like "Oh we lost we were totally wrong about our cause." losing a war doesn't make people take on the oppositions viewpoints. They did bad things but she's basically being childish.
It's also the difference between history and actually being there because most soldiers have no clue what the hell is going on around them. Especially back in those days most of the time they didn't even know where they were going until they saw the road signs. History also tends to exaggerate and prey upon the worst examples. It's like seeing protests in a handful of major US liberal hellhole cities and saying "OMG America is just falling apart!" when the majority of America is actually just going about their daily lives watching it on the news like "Glad I don't live in a liberal hellhole."
@@slimjim7411 I believe that the Dutch woman was just expressing her feelings and not in a malicious way. My family suffered at the hands of the Nazis and you have no idea how bad it was for them. If those Germans felt bad then it wasnt her fault. Did you notice how arrogant they were, nothing has changed in over 3000 years for the Huns
I live in "putten"
We have a monument that is called the woman of putten.
A grieving widow....
you can blame the commie partisans of NL for bringing that upon theirselves.
@@tobiaseatondix9665 You have to be the same type of person that blames women for getting raped.
@@gasperpoklukar8372 Sounds like you have me all figured out ;)
@@tobiaseatondix9665 edgy
@@gasperpoklukar8372 but hes right dude
What are we supposed to do? NOT invade the Netherlands? Psh
Had not the English established the BEF on the continent the Germans had never set a foot on Dutch soil.
@@bubiruski8067 That seems like a weird argument. “Because the British deployed the BEF into France, German had to invade neutral Netherlands and Belgium, where no Allied troops were deployed.”
@@puellanivis The Allies troops were in Belgium before the german attack.There was a formal protest by the side of the king and the government.
The same situation with Norway and Iceland.
@@av5958 The Dyle Plan was started only at 6:30 a.m on 10 May, 1940, the same day that Germans started their invasion of the Netherlands. If it indeed be true that “Germany invaded NL and BE after FR and UK invaded Belgium” it was merely by hours, and certainly not done in response to.
And while the Belgian King did indeed protest to the use of British and French forces in Belgium, he was very much in public disagreement with his government’s position that Germany, having invaded without declaration of war, put them on the side of the allies. Instead of siding with his government and fleeing to continue in exile, Leopold instead negotiated a cease-fire with the Germans 17 days later, which caused such a political crisis for Belgium, that it got its own name and Wikipedia article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Question
@@puellanivis
...merely by hours ...but the neutrality of Belgium was disrespected firstly by UK and France
The attack against NS Germany by the side of the british troops (being already in France) along with the french army via Belgium and Netherlands was imminent.
So the german attack in Belgium and Netherlands was in response to the imposed war by UK and France.
In summary :
UK and France declared and imposed war to NS Germany.
UK and France first pass the Belgium's border aiming to attack NS Germany
What is the full documentary called and where can I find it?
“Krupp Steel, German quality”
Panther transmission go unnnnngggghhh
Hehehe
yet a panther was able to take out 5 shermans or more
@@xeon39688 yes, the Panther was so much better that it literally lost the war. Superiority by way of humiliating defeat.
@@michaelw6277 it was not a bad tank tho
@@poi1612 if you discount the fact that it was unreliable, difficult to maintain, and excessively expensive sure…. it was a fine tank destroyer. But as a tank, a tool for breakthroughs and flanking maneuvers it’s record was miserable and embarrassing. In a vacuum it’s a good weapon, in a real war with real people, real shooting, and real logistics it proved to be absolutely awful.