Select Sky bleeds into the foreground (at low opacity) to prevent haloes appearing at the sky/foreground border. Ironically, although your hack seems to give a more precise selection of the sky, it may also cause haloes to appear at the border (especially with extreme adjustments).
I'm guessing that when LR selects the sky it is analysing the whole image to identify the sky and mask it, but when you subtract the sky from the sky mask, it's only analysing the sky mask and the foreground areas into which it has bled. This might enable the AI analysis to be more targeted and subtract the sky more accurately. Anyway - it's a fascinating discovery and many thanks for making this video. Masks are amazing tools and there is so much to learn and discover!
Excellent LR lesson! Been struggling with all these issues in my bird photography. Hope this works on separating sky from wing tip feathers and tree branches!
I always thought that Lightroom's selection of reflected sky was deliberate, because if you change the hue or lightness or whatever of the sky, you'd also want to reflected sky to take on those changes.
I have been very frustrated with the sky selection in LR, and this is brilliant. Thanks for figuring out how to get a good sky selection and sharing it!
I don't even use Lightroom, but clicked on the video anyways and brooooo. This example image is just borderline the best fu***in image I have ever seen. Holy damn. Keep the good work up!
Oh yes, this Video is helpful. I wasn't aware of the chance to "subtract the sky from itself in order to get a perfect selection of the sky". Sounds weird, but the result is convincing! Thanks for this Clip! Thumbs up!
Excellent tutorial .. good trick you had was the duplicate of the mask then perform another mask . I often add on extra mask on the same mask but it becomes a mess and damage the previous mask . Good job and really enjoyed it . Very simple task and straight to the sample .
ACDSee 2024 is most comparable to LR, very fast and fine-organized digital assets manager. Also it has a 'Photoshop' - like enviroment just build in 'Lightroom' without opening another app.
This is a brilliant tip, thanks! I've tried it out on a few files since watching this video and its far superior to the method I was using to intersect colour/ luminance or another sky selection with the initial sky selection.
The theory, because I do a lot of landscape photography as well. If you look at the light, when you are out shooting and say those rocks were there, there would be a fair bit of what I call refracted light from the sky onto the rocks. Now sometimes I will just except the Sky mask initially and edit it as what I say however then what I do is do I subtract but then what I do is subtract the subject icon and then you can just use areas on those rocks as a subtraction. it’s a little bit similar to what you did, but it works quite well 99% of the time. This is an interesting hack.
Very clever! I think you're guess is right - that Adobe's AI calcs differ between creating and subtracting from a mask... I shall certainly employ this trick - Thanks a ton!
Great Video Todd, I've been using the select sky mask in camera raw since it was introduced, The more subtle masking i haven't been doing so i will work on that, thanks for sharing
Great Todd!! It's nice to discover interesting and very useful details in the post. Lightroom is becoming more and more mature every day and sufficient to handle 90% of my images;-)
This was really interesting and helpful! I haven't played around with the Intersect tool, that's definitely one I need to experiment with more. Thanks!
It was a second video with better sky mask that I watched today. I meant - select sky, remove sky and inverse. I tried this method on a few files and it produced select sky results worse that just select sky.
Thatd a brilliant solution, although it probably is the case that the sky mask does this deliberately. Ive been frustrated by the way it currently works but actually applying the correction to the "inaccurate" selection often works very well .
Thank you for a great video. A question , when I use brush extensively then I see that the system takes a long time to update and apply the changes , any suggestion on how to speed up
Subtract sky from sky... Very interesting, but I would be very careful. As you said, it sounds like a hack. It means that when you open the same file under LrC one eg. year later, this hack will not work and our beautiful photo will look strange because changed shape of mask.
Lightroom developers never anticipated the necessity of click bait titles to drive monetization. I’m just thankful it wasn’t “shocking Lightroom secrets Adobe doesn’t want you to know…”
It s just brilliant !! But at the same time it seems really that lightroom AI is not so clever and even bugged. When you see what Luminar can do for replacing the skies it just shows the way of improvement Adobe gets on this area. But with their lucrative monthly redevenue I am sure they will have the budget to improve that. But in the mean time thx for your tricks !!
Select Sky bleeds into the foreground (at low opacity) to prevent haloes appearing at the sky/foreground border. Ironically, although your hack seems to give a more precise selection of the sky, it may also cause haloes to appear at the border (especially with extreme adjustments).
I’ve been finding more and more non-obvious tricks to masking. This has been very helpful. Thanks!
I'm guessing that when LR selects the sky it is analysing the whole image to identify the sky and mask it, but when you subtract the sky from the sky mask, it's only analysing the sky mask and the foreground areas into which it has bled. This might enable the AI analysis to be more targeted and subtract the sky more accurately. Anyway - it's a fascinating discovery and many thanks for making this video. Masks are amazing tools and there is so much to learn and discover!
Really well explained, off to try this out right now!
Wow, thank you for thinking outside the box (well, okay the mask😁). Liked and now subscribing.
Excellent LR lesson! Been struggling with all these issues in my bird photography. Hope this works on separating sky from wing tip feathers and tree branches!
This mini tutorial is fantastic! Thanks 👍🏻
Holly crap.
You just solved so many editing problems with Lightroom making..
Awesomeness X 10
Thanks for this great tip. This is the best result that I’ve found on YT.
I always thought that Lightroom's selection of reflected sky was deliberate, because if you change the hue or lightness or whatever of the sky, you'd also want to reflected sky to take on those changes.
This helps a lot! Thank you!!
Once again, you’ve shown us a little known tool with amazing results. I’ve tried it myself and what a difference to accurate masking!
One of the best Lightroom tips I've viewed. Thank you, Todd!
I have been very frustrated with the sky selection in LR, and this is brilliant. Thanks for figuring out how to get a good sky selection and sharing it!
You have answered my prayer! Thank you SO much Todd! I have been looking for such a process for so long now!
Todd what a cool discovery there, i will go ahead and test it next time I'm editing my shots
🤯mind blown, thanks for the tip and technique tutorial
Very intriguing and very helpful.......just wondering how you discovered that subtract the sky from the sky?????
You're a genius! Thank you so much! I have to say that I laughed very loud when you substracted the sky from the sky and I saw the result!
I don't even use Lightroom, but clicked on the video anyways and brooooo. This example image is just borderline the best fu***in image I have ever seen. Holy damn. Keep the good work up!
Oh yes, this Video is helpful. I wasn't aware of the chance to "subtract the sky from itself in order to get a perfect selection of the sky". Sounds weird, but the result is convincing! Thanks for this Clip! Thumbs up!
In less than 10 min you have explain very well how working the masks in Lr. Others are selling hours of on line course to explain that. Many thanks.
Excellent tutorial .. good trick you had was the duplicate of the mask then perform another mask . I often add on extra mask on the same mask but it becomes a mess and damage the previous mask . Good job and really enjoyed it . Very simple task and straight to the sample .
Lightroom Classic is such a powerful and fast editor. I wish the competition will have these features.
ACDSee 2024 is most comparable to LR, very fast and fine-organized digital assets manager.
Also it has a 'Photoshop' - like enviroment just build in 'Lightroom' without opening another app.
This is a brilliant tip, thanks! I've tried it out on a few files since watching this video and its far superior to the method I was using to intersect colour/ luminance or another sky selection with the initial sky selection.
Fantastic. At last the problem solved. Thank you Todd. 👍
Excellent tips!
Great insight - I was using the brush to fix my masks, but this gives me a whole new option.
Wow! This is fantastic! Thank you for sharing this.
Brilliant! I will use these techniques tomorrow!
The theory, because I do a lot of landscape photography as well. If you look at the light, when you are out shooting and say those rocks were there, there would be a fair bit of what I call refracted light from the sky onto the rocks. Now sometimes I will just except the Sky mask initially and edit it as what I say however then what I do is do I subtract but then what I do is subtract the subject icon and then you can just use areas on those rocks as a subtraction. it’s a little bit similar to what you did, but it works quite well 99% of the time. This is an interesting hack.
Excellent! Extremely helpful. Thank you.
This tutorial is very helpful. Thank you🙏
Very clever! I think you're guess is right - that Adobe's AI calcs differ between creating and subtracting from a mask... I shall certainly employ this trick - Thanks a ton!
Great tutorial
This is so cool, Todd, thanks for sharing!
Very helpful video, Todd. Thanks for creating it.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the great and concise tutorial! My only question is: where in the US (I’m guessing) is that wonderful landscape?
Great tricks Todd, Thanks!
Fantastic tutorial. Very well explained. You have a new sub.
wow! Glad you figured that out. Thanks!
Very nice hack! Would have never thought of trying this 😀
Great tips - as always; thx. for sharing.
Great Video Todd, I've been using the select sky mask in camera raw since it was introduced, The more subtle masking i haven't been doing so i will work on that, thanks for sharing
Great Todd!!
It's nice to discover interesting and very useful details in the post.
Lightroom is becoming more and more mature every day and sufficient to handle 90% of my images;-)
Great presentation skills. I learned something new. thanks.
Great tips Todd. Especially the subtracting sky from the sky hack. What made you think to try that?
Very, very cool. Thank you!
This was really interesting and helpful! I haven't played around with the Intersect tool, that's definitely one I need to experiment with more. Thanks!
It was a second video with better sky mask that I watched today. I meant - select sky, remove sky and inverse. I tried this method on a few files and it produced select sky results worse that just select sky.
Great work Todd
Thanks for the tips and tricks
Really great tricks. Thanks
Thatd a brilliant solution, although it probably is the case that the sky mask does this deliberately. Ive been frustrated by the way it currently works but actually applying the correction to the "inaccurate" selection often works very well .
I'm learning LR there is so much to learn !
Defies Logic but WORKS !!! Thank you indeed.
Thanks, Todd. This is genius. Subscribed.
Impressive video. Thank you.
Some great tips, I love using masks and this has gave me more ideas for playing around with them!
Thank you for a great video. A question , when I use brush extensively then I see that the system takes a long time to update and apply the changes , any suggestion on how to speed up
Ok, going to have to try this out.
That was so helpful. So well thought out. Thanks for posting. (subscribed)
What a great tips. Thank you.
Hello.¡ Thank you very much for your advice and classes, they are very interesting and useful. 👍👍
Love it, Thanks,
Incredibly helpful!!!
Really good stuff. thank you
It is very helpful. Thank you
What a hack! Thank you for sharing
very handy cheers Todd appreciate it
Ideal, cheers for that Todd
Well, that's a bit odd. But it works! Thanks Todd.
What a great trick!
Great video Toddd
Well done. Keep up the good work!
Very cool - thanks.
Credit to Brian Matiash for this finding
Great and really helpfull.
Brilliant!
Intersect with Sky works, too.
Do you have a technique to eliminate the halo that often accompanies sky selection?
Hello thkxxx for this video....insane
Brilliant thanks
Damn, thanks!!
You da man!
Very helpful information! Thanks for sharing!
Subtract sky from sky... Very interesting, but I would be very careful. As you said, it sounds like a hack. It means that when you open the same file under LrC one eg. year later, this hack will not work and our beautiful photo will look strange because changed shape of mask.
Weeeeery nice trick
is it intended or a glitch ? at least it's a genius idea to substract sky from sky and see
Nice 👍
WOW!!!
Why do content creators insist on calling things secret. Its really stupid, they are not secret, they are simply functions of a product.
Lightroom developers never anticipated the necessity of click bait titles to drive monetization. I’m just thankful it wasn’t “shocking Lightroom secrets Adobe doesn’t want you to know…”
He got you to click though...
@@jackgenewtf nah just came to comment.
@@RobertReynolds-k8s you commenting got him a view tho😅
I don't see this happening. When I subtract the sky from the sky in my picture, it subtracted the mountain tops as well, so there was no advantage.
Whta the hell - that's is brilliant, curious why this works.
Can’t get this to work for me
It s just brilliant !! But at the same time it seems really that lightroom AI is not so clever and even bugged. When you see what Luminar can do for replacing the skies it just shows the way of improvement Adobe gets on this area. But with their lucrative monthly redevenue I am sure they will have the budget to improve that. But in the mean time thx for your tricks !!
Sweeeeeet
Nice trick, but unfortunately it does not work well if you have trees.
invert, select, invert, subtract, re-select, invert etc etc etc etc
Waaaayyy too complicated video for us beginners :O
The AI Whisperer Channel? Well hacked and demonstrated.