It’s fascinating how something so trivial can have a big impact on someone’s life and perspective. How parents can accidentally overlook their kid’s gifts and instead of helping them cultivate their gifts, scold them about it.
Best analogy to this point at 7 minute mark is Bass fishing. You never want people to find your "fishing hole". Also Gina would be a menace in High end sales. Pharma or something similar.
just went my first time counting at a casino, i came in with 350$ and played for about 11 hours, i left losing $170. Definitely a rookie and could have played better, but i'm practicing and trying again next month, soon i'll join your membership, i'm serious about getting into this!
It really hit me when Gina was talking about how it takes a certain type of person to count cards. I got pretty good at just flipping through a couple of decks and keeping the running count. But the fear of getting backed off in the casino kept me from really pursuing card counting.
Hop back into it, give it a go, if you get backed off and think it was too much, call it there Atleast you would have given it a go, no regrets for the future there
I dice set.. they were just trying to tell me to hit the back wall of the table at the 4 Queens because I was rolling so many hard ways but I already was hitting the back wall..
Colin, I train solo in my home about 11 month. There is no casino in my country i should go abroad to try my things. I cant joining the AP membership because its really expensive for me. Maybe if i could i will join it. I learn so much your video, your logical about the math, and also the books. And now I need gaining my bankroll before i start into the stage, maybe next 5 month i will try it my thing. Wish me luck colin, i will joining the AP member soon
as a "get off my lawn" AP who complained about the last interview with Gina, I thought this was a really good format with a interesting story without "namedropping"
@@someguyik lame argument dude. I did come from a place and time that I had to do all of the work. Sure, throughout my career I've gained information from others. But I had to still work, like right now I'm doing a play that has no public strategy.
@@fourkingbs I made a mistake. I think I commented/asked the wrong person. I didn't realize I was in the wrong comment! I deleted my comment. Sorry about that.
@@someguyik oh sorry maybe I over reacted. I thought you were in defence of free information in AP. I strongly believe you shouldn't profit from selling information in AP. Others believe it's their right to do what they wish and to ell with the new real APs
@@fourkingbsNo worries. I think I was trying to ask someone how they got started as an AP. I'm sure a lot of people are interested in getting started, so I can see where that's an annoying question for people that are APs.
In essence you use sharp books (Pinnacle, Bookmaker, Circa) as a source of truth on a play and then you find a soft/recreational book (FanDuel, DraftKings) where they're offering better odds on that play compared to the sharp book. That's the nuts and bolts simplified answer on how to gain an edge sports betting.
Why would we shuffle every hand? If we identify you as an advantage player we just back you off. We generate money by hands per hour, shuffling every hand is counterproductive.
if the casino is that concerned with stopping advantage players or counters this is the only way to counter that. It wouldn't waste that much time to have a deck ready; perhaps 10 seconds @@aaronortwein9932
@maximusfrank2835, I disagree. ROR is a very real statistic to pay attention to. I have known many people who have lost it all chasing EV and not paying attention to ROR.
@@mathprofii7877 Think of it like stocks- because theoretically counting isn’t gambling, right? If you have a 8% chance of loosing everything on a stock, but then you read about another stock that is going to make 100% more return, it’s going to make it faster too, but the company has a 14% of going bankrupt, which are you choosing? Time is money too.
@@mathprofii7877 (Did my comment get deleted?) Theoretically counting is investing, right? If you are investing in a company, but then discover another company that will offer you a 100% more of a return with only a 10% greater risk of bankruptcy, it’s well worth just going for it. If you are scared of risk of ruin you should just stick to ETF and Mutual fund investing. Card counting is similar to penny stock investing. It’s volatile, it’s not guaranteed, but if it works out you make some serious cash. If this wasn’t true then everyone would keep AP playing and not “retire” after so much profit. Similar reason why people liquidate their portfolios.
On the discussion at 17:15, it seems like having to write a $50K check to Bob Nersesian would eat into the team's EV a lot, unless it's an exceedingly rare event.
Big Player: A member of a card counting team who makes a big bets when the count is favorable. They depend on “spotters” to call them in. This play is used for cover only. Invented by BJ Hall of Fame member Al Fransesco, made famous by Ken Uston, and the MIT team. We have a helpful glossary of terms on our website: www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/glossary-of-blackjack-terms/ And here is a whole video we did on “Heat”: ua-cam.com/video/5qhvi6slNdc/v-deo.htmlsi=DRrEGN6yY0kBPSMp
BP: Big player. In BJ team play, the BP waits for signals from other players and then puts big money in play. Heat: Observation and pressure from casino personnel, most notably pit bosses. Heat can range from passive measures (shuffling the deck more often) to active measures (kicking you out).
I’m ready to venture into other forms of gambling. I’ve tried slots AP but it’s too competitive and casinos have made the RTP lower on AP machines. Can you help me make this transition?
On the subject of APs, with sports betting, you're playing against other betters in some sense. As long as we have bad betters, we will always have plus plays. And I don't think there is any shortage of new players, even if they are a revolving door there will always be another crop of young college age boys looking to bet.
I know nothing about this interesting subject, but I have a curious question. The Casino in Sweden has machines that shuffles the cards, no old school dealer shoes. Can you still use your techniques when they have these machines? How many decks do they use in a machine?
Those are what's called CSMs or Continuous Shuffling Machines, they can't be counted and beaten. Unfortunately, they are in many of the casinos in Scandinavia and Western Europe. There are still shoe games out there but they're much harder to find.
Hi Colin, I've been a successful part time card counter for almost a year, largely thanks to your awesome videos and CVCX. The one thing I feel like I'm missing is a group, similar to the church team you ran. Do you know of any resources that could help me find a card counting team? Thank you!
Colin, you’re amazing. A question for you, how much you charge a person to share knowledge if the person could net $500 to $1,000 per month plus lots of free food ? I’ve found an edge, but don’t know the market value of such info.
I know a beatable casino , H17 , DAS , Resplit aces , double in soft hands , more than 60% penetration , bj pays 3:2 , hole card , with late surrender. How would you play it ?
18:25 mark when he talks about 60s when they changed the BJ rules and people stopped playing. So they had to change them back. As he mentions, today people will keep playing no matter how bad the rules get. I don't understand it. People don't realize the power they have in groups to force change, or they don't undertand fractions 3:2 vs 6:5 so they keep playing it. That and triple zero roulette. So annoying.
@@MewtwoStruckBack And not coincidentally PA has the highest hold in the country per table in BJ. People might not understand why they're getting fleeced so fast in some garbage like 6:5 bj but they know they're losing too fast.
I’ve come up with a solution that’s not guaranteed but it’s a solution. I thought I should say become the casinos friends like they try to be friend you before they take all your money, but don’t get carried away with winning. Leave a little bit at a time.
Caeser's and the MGM hack was not a technology thing but a human thing. What basically happened was that someone with access to important systems gave away their access codes. Think of it this way, It was a tech's way of observing a poker player for his or her electronic tells and then used those tells to determine the access and then took the casino for everything they thought they could get.
As bad as casinos can be for some folks, living in a society where the government manages our lives so closely that we cannot gamble legally is worse. Sure....If they ONLY regulated gambling that way, then maybe it would be OK. But that is not how things work. Much more than gambling is impacted by such oversight.
Hello Colin, I’ve been following you for a few months now and just getting into the basics of counting. I keep having a problem when I have a hand that is made up of multiple cards and was wondering if I just continue using deviations and basic strategy or if I change it up when you have more than two cards, for example a soft 18 (A,7) is a hit against a dealer 10 but if I had a soft 14 (A,3) and pull a 4 (A,3,4) it’s still technically a soft 18 and is a hit correct?
BEST UA-cam CHANNEL BY ANY ADVANTAGE PLAYER EVER ON UA-cam ! PERIOD!! AND ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE! THERE IS ALOT OF IDIOTS ON UA-cam THAT ARE LITERALLY BANNING THEMSELVES FROM ALL CASINO'S BECAUSE THEY PUT TOO MUCH INFO ABOUT WHAT AND HOW THEY BEAT CASINOS. YOU MY FRIEND ARE MUCH SMARTER AND THE CONTENT IS ALWAYS 💯 AND YOUR NEVER BIASED AND HONEST WITH THE VIEWERS. LOVE THIS CHANNEL!! BTW THIS INTERVIEW WAS 🔥 YOUR INTERVIEWING SKILLS ARE WAY ABOVE AVERAGE 💯
How quickly do the bookmakers in the U.S shutdown your accounts if you are taking value? In the UK you can probably take value for about a month before they close the account. Until eventually the accounts run out. In the UK value play, advantage play long term is impossible
It depends on the Sportsbook. FanDuel and Draft kings won’t necessarily shut your account but they’ll severely limit you max bet and you can duplicate bets after a couple of months. Other Sportsbooks won’t do anything
I'm in Canada and I signed up for as many offshore sportsbooks as I could. All of them didn't even let me make my first $1,000 in profit before limiting me. These full time sports betters probably live in a state like Colorado that has a huge amount of sportsbooks and they probably get friends/family to supply them with their info so they can sign up for more accounts with their names after being limited
@@rileylopez4037 same in the UK the bookmakers (sportsbooks) won't quite close your account (they need them for the City figures) but they will limit you to pennies. All sportsbooks and bookmakers in the UK are the same though, there are no exceptions.
Dude I’ve been finding way easier on the table counting than running thru a deck of cards. Also noticed that my local casino deck penetration is way worse on the weekends. Is that a thing. I honestly got paranoid when I seen it I was like woah that a whole deck your cutting on on double deck.. smh Had a count up to 7 pressed heavy and took the side bet of any hard 20. Win and the dealer literally said out loud woah how did you do that haha. I know Colin says not to pay a negative shoe, but multiple times it was negative right out the gate. One of the times after two hands it was d13 so I figured that I’d bet the buster because logic say they’re more likely to have a busy card no? I did that twice and hit on both. Was I lucky and/or is this flawed thinking
You guys mention how upstairs sometimes depends if they really care about their job. I had am incident where I didnt get paid $300 on a progressive carnival game and I thought I was out of luck. The pit boss said they can roll the tape and pay me. They said I didnt get a flush. I asked to get it checked again and they said they did. Im basically depending on security to rewind the tape then voluntarily saying to pay me for the flush. Does anyone have anyway of challenging that? I thought I was out of luck and was accepting I made the mistane for not catching it. Then they got me hopeful.
Weird to be rooting against a fellow card counter or sports bettor in such massive ev markets, I can understand smaller pools of ev with zero sum game.
Gina is right on. Onslaught of Sports betting marketing will cause so much pain to so many unsophisticated bettors. The addiction and financial ruin will destroy too many, particularly younger people. Frightening.
We’ve got to make the casinos afraid that gamblers won’t play their mathematically inferior versions of blackjack, Craps, and roulette. We must all work hard together to get players off these inferior games so the casino makes $0.
I have no issues having an edge. As a Veteran I get free play at various Casinos(some offers better than others) and some Casinos will upgrade me to the next tier level. In 2018 at one of my local casinos my I had a Net gain of about $500. I had to cover my bet which was only a $1 on the slots and this was within a 3 month period. I had class at my local VA and I noticed I had about 15 to 20 minutes of extra time before my class so I would go to my casino put a $1 in the slot. If I won I'd deposit my winnings in the bank if I lost, not big deal. I'm in it for the long term. Non-Casino offers, is on Veteran's Day I get free meals at local restaurants. I would start my my day around 7:30 a.m. and I'll usually finish about dinner time around 8:30 9 p.m. Usually the following week Golden Corral has it's Veteran appreciation starting at 5 p.m. we usually get seated around 5:30 to 6p. I'll usually eat for about 2.5 hours. No issues here for gaining an advantage of offers.
1:52 well jokes on our parents. Will create a legacy greater than any of can fathom. We will stand tall and proud over their chaos. Hopd strong and never forget that way we can pass down our legend and ensure our younger generations are prepared throigh and through for the battles they will face. We battle ourselves, others, the systems, etc etc. Lifes a battle, and we must train and prepare, and than we must charge ince ready! Lets go people this is our last chance to make something of ourselves before things really start to fall apart of society. Come on people!!
Big Player: A member of a card counting team who makes a big bets when the count is favorable. They depend on “spotters” to call them in. This play is used for cover only. Invented by BJ Hall of Fame member Al Fransesco, made famous by Ken Uston, and the MIT team.
Colin this was really nice. Laughed your ending but it came too late.. I already have seen Holy Rollers… Gina felt bad about the carousel thing but learned early on some amazing life lessons that is something that some people can’t learn.. I always let a kid ride for free when my 2 girls were with me.. I was that kid too ..❤️🩹 Thanks again.. this was nice.. show your kids when you feel like they are old enough..
VP is usually meant for Video Poker. When Gina referred to BP it stand for Big Player: A member of a card counting team who makes a big bets when the count is favorable. They depend on “spotters” to call them in. This play is used for cover only. Invented by BJ Hall of Fame member Al Fransesco, made famous by Ken Uston, and the MIT team. We have a helpful glossary of terms on our website: www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/glossary-of-blackjack-terms/
It's funny hearing Jack lie to himself and/or viewers about AP somehow being better day by day. How could anyone possibly believe something that ridiculous?
INFORMATION to find edges is undeniably the best it's ever been, but as for the edges themselves: yeah way worse when said information leads to too many people oversaturating the edge and forcing casinos to worsen the rules
Glad I could humor you, but it's true. There are far more edges and ways to gain an edge now than there were in the past. In general, markets tend towards efficiency, but there are so many new markets opening every day. For instance, I'm doing things now that I wasn't doing when we filmed this back in September. Perhaps you need to explore new markets instead of trying to squeeze money from a dried up angle.
Fascinating watching the successful ones, however the casinos have ways of catching those who dont play to their rules. Some of those card counters have ex posed the under belly of the casinos, completely ruthless 1 step away from roughing you up or jailing you. Everone else its sleep to the slaughter. Sports betting has opened up venues where the everyday person can win. Its not so lopsided. Plus sports betting u can go about ur day. The pro bj players sitting there for an untold ant of hrs with huge buy in amts, not ideal for ur health.
It's pretty easy to detect card counters at the blackjack tables. They're so serious and have to intently watch every card. I like to fuck them up by going against basic strategy. Casinos suck. Can't stand the noise, lights and the type of people in those places. Try making a real living and doing something useful. Start your own business. That's a true advantage player.
How so? They used to " steal" from casinos, a business keen on cheating and stealing from people and profiting from addicions. Although i don't like that term to describe card counting bc they merely used their intelligence to win a game.
@@lauraaa3049 poker players prey on beginners. They invite people over to play at night, get the other players as drunk as they can, play for 6-8 hours to make sure they're not mentally sharp and take their money. Imagine inviting some friend over to play a sport that you are good at and they suck at, then taking their money when they lose. It's a scam.
The problem isn't that Colin and this material isn't right; It's that they fail to strategize properly just like the MIT students do. Casinos do not 'fear' AP players no more than they fear any other gambler. It's just a business transaction, no more no less. An all you can eat buffet that charges a flat price doesn't 'fear' a competitive eater but will lose money if that eater doesn't pay for another full entry price every 2 hours. Trying to take $10,000+ a day from the casino, is bad for business. Be an AP player and be cool with earning $100-500 a day and keep it moving. I don't understand why this isn't preached enough.
That's the wildest way of looking at this advantage players will be identifed by local casinos it's only a matter of time so an Ap is suppose to travel to other states to play to hopefully make 500 a day your ignoring how advantage play actually works and living in a dream land. Catching an Ap has very little to do with how much money your playing with. And in order to even make that you still have to raise bets at certain points during a session and you will be identifed by the casino often it only takes one bet that could be a red flag for instance your playing 25 a hand all night try raising that bet watch what happens. People have tried low stakes Ap forever it fails time and time again the big scores are the single only way to play try it yourself
@@ironmike-lb8pi Correct and Incorrect on a few things my friend. I provided a length reply so I'm not just giving opinions but facts and actual experience. Let's review: I know how AP works and will share for our readers/those that don't watch Colin or other AP videos: You maximize your bet opportunities when the 'play' is mathematically in your favor and minimize/don't play when it's not. Realistically, this only works on BJ and Baccarat, but the philosophy can be applied to any game or area of life (Experienced or 'Advantage' Fisherman usually go with the movement of the Earth's tide as that's what moves the bait fish bringing in the targeted fish). You're Correct: AP identifying has nothing to do with your bankroll or buying in amount You're Correct: You do have to raise your bet at times to take advantage of situations You're Incorrect: you don't have to have huge scores to play it and be profitable. As a player I have had conversations with Pit Supervisors (those who stay within a section of table play) and Pit Bosses (shift mgrs. w/ the final say in conversation with Security and Asset Protection) across multiple casino brands and it's the same with every casino: A winning player, AP or not, is okay; A greedy player is not. Casinos KNOW they have to pay out otherwise no one (degenerate gamblers, AP players and thrill seekers alike) would never play. Paying out is the cost of business and rightfully so in this line of entertainment. How much and how often to certain individuals is where the red flags are raised. The real low stakes AP players are left alone and keep playing forever because 1. They have proper bank roll mgmt. 2. They do not whale continuously the wagers when the count/roll/spin whatever is working for them. You have to have the discipline to leave at a target amount. AP teaches to keep pushing when the count is in your favor an play at your max bet units to increase the odds of positive EV and at times use deviation from normal play, but you have to disregard that information in favor of the long term game. Remember, Colin, MIT and all the rest of the folks got backed off because of DRASTIC bet swings, deviation and collection. That's bad for the casino's business. $100-500 a day/week is part of the scripted anticipated expense used for Accounting and Bonuses. $1000+ isn't (and that's what those aforementioned individuals were doing and would continue to do if unchecked; read their books and watch their movies. That's how those Bankrolls got so big in such a short amount of time (under 2 years)). Most of them quit the 9-5 to pursue this full time and put their long term play at risk doing so. AP players only travel because they get caught. If you didn't get caught and identified, you wouldn't travel. Screaming this part loudly: ADVANTAGE PLAYERS ARE ONLY A PROBLEM WHEN THEY ARE GREEDY WITH THE ADVANTAGE! Consider the Slot jackpot payouts: always starting at $1200 and up to on certain machines easily at 6 or 7 figures depending on the bet size and wager denomination ($.01-$100). Those never go off at once and when the big ones do, they put a dent in that weeks profits. On higher traffic days, they pay more and earn more, yet you never get 'backed off' from them? Why? because the Casino maintains it's profitability even though they have to payout (yes slots don't compare to an AP game like BJ/Bac but the principle holds true; if it didn't slots wouldn't be on the floor). I know that was long and I admire anyone with the discipline to read all of that but it's the truth. You don't need to beat the casino anymore than you need to beat a restaurant or retail store. Take advantage wisely and play the long term game: Be a master at your bank roll and growth strategy, don't be greedy, use your comped card and have fun! Remember: for a traditional work week (5 days) and 48 week calendar year over the course of a decade, $100-500 is $240K-1.2 million dollars. All because you stayed disciplined and altered your AP Strategy Happy Gaming!
@@tmasst07 that's where your wrong you can only be an advantage player with big scores and big bets your idea to play pennies at the local casino has never and will never work for anyone its not real no Ap can win consistently enough to make a couple hundred a day profit. Anyone with any actual experience will tell you the same thing your not the first wrong person who thinks they can win small under the radar it doesn't work hints why no Ap on the planet plays that way
@@ironmike-lb8pi lmao. I just told you we don't get caught. You 'insisting' that it doesn't work or is not real is because you have never done it successfully. I can understand the ignorance but don't be arrogant and stupid. you're lack of proof or evidence DOES NOT mean it doesn't happening or is not happening. It's not a 'thought', theory or hypothesis. I've got the experience and bankroll to prove it. I'm beyond luck cause I've got multiple weeks and months with positive profit. yes you can, you just need to be disciplined and smart. Use math AND cunning; math AND wisdom. AP players like yourself get stuck on the math and forget the rest of the profitable strategy Open your mind to a different way and get off of that one way track that leads you to being backed off and banished. That type of thinking is EXACTLY WHY you big scorers/ big betters never make it long term. I dare you to do it for just 6 months, assuming you're close enough to a casino w/ an hours drive
Just like you're type of AP, I don't always leave a winner, so I'm not guarantying each session I'm winning a $100. I lose just like big Bet APs. I'm just smart enough to check those losses AND the freaking wins so I'm assist not a liability to the casino.
I would have to see some kind of proof that you are successful and yet want to see a teaching service. I mean if you are this successful, why would you bother teaching anyone and charge them for it? Can you post evidence of your winnings in a way that can be validated...
It's easy to see considering there is a documentary, book, and previous students who are also successful counters and on various social medias. store.blackjackapprenticeship.com/collections/frontpage/products/holy-rollers-documentary
Bottom line, advantage play can’t be a full time career. Casinos won’t let you be ahead. Only l thing you can do is part time card counting for fun. There are much better things in life you can do
I have been doing it since 2003 and have several friends who have done it full time over extended periods of time. In fact the biggest danger to a professional gambler is usually his own lack of discipline, not the casinos.
You do know this channel is made by people who actually do this, right? They train people and have a large community of people that do this for a living.
These two are FANTASTIC! ♠️
Watched Holy Rollers and bought your book last night. Just finished watching Inside the Edge. Fascinating world.
Gina's story about sitting on the merry-go-round to get a free ride is adorable. Parents, she was 9, get over it. I think it's adorable.
It’s fascinating how something so trivial can have a big impact on someone’s life and perspective. How parents can accidentally overlook their kid’s gifts and instead of helping them cultivate their gifts, scold them about it.
as a poor kid, i would have looked down on that behavior, and still kind of do. its called grifting.
Great video, Colin! Really enjoyed the stories and insights from all three of you. Thanks.
Always great to see Capt. Jack.
I first heard these two on Gambling with an Edge. It's great to put faces on their voices. Great episode!
Super interesting conversation, guys! Thanks for sharing 🎉
3:15 love Jack he hasn’t had an edge since his game total home run days but he’s still a legend
Best analogy to this point at 7 minute mark is Bass fishing. You never want people to find your "fishing hole". Also Gina would be a menace in High end sales. Pharma or something similar.
just went my first time counting at a casino, i came in with 350$ and played for about 11 hours, i left losing $170. Definitely a rookie and could have played better, but i'm practicing and trying again next month, soon i'll join your membership, i'm serious about getting into this!
Always excited for an upload!
love the chemistry between you three
If it's dead in the casino and you are the action you damn right all the eyes are on you
i learned this the hard way playing in the high limit section at parx during a snowstorm . whoops.
1:04 Major props for this AP play at such a young age.
It really hit me when Gina was talking about how it takes a certain type of person to count cards. I got pretty good at just flipping through a couple of decks and keeping the running count. But the fear of getting backed off in the casino kept me from really pursuing card counting.
Hop back into it, give it a go, if you get backed off and think it was too much, call it there
Atleast you would have given it a go, no regrets for the future there
@@MikeyD594 well I also don’t have the bankroll yet. Maybe one day!
Bro you won’t get backed off. You win a lot but you also loose a lot too. It’s just an edge calculation, no guarantees
I think it's one of those things that you just have to accept could happen ,like anything there's always risk .
@@maximusfrank2835 yes he will. but so what.
Thanks for the video Colin. You guys produce good stuff there at blackjack apprenticeship
Great speakers and story tellers!
a common thing I've seen about AP's...they DON'T like casinos and AP'ing is kinda like revenge.
No one likes casinos do they?
I dice set.. they were just trying to tell me to hit the back wall of the table at the 4 Queens because I was rolling so many hard ways but I already was hitting the back wall..
My friend lives in Northern KY and I’ve visited 7 Hills with him.
Colin, I train solo in my home about 11 month. There is no casino in my country i should go abroad to try my things. I cant joining the AP membership because its really expensive for me. Maybe if i could i will join it. I learn so much your video, your logical about the math, and also the books. And now I need gaining my bankroll before i start into the stage, maybe next 5 month i will try it my thing. Wish me luck colin, i will joining the AP member soon
Excellent guests!
as a "get off my lawn" AP who complained about the last interview with Gina, I thought this was a really good format with a interesting story without "namedropping"
@@someguyik lame argument dude. I did come from a place and time that I had to do all of the work. Sure, throughout my career I've gained information from others. But I had to still work, like right now I'm doing a play that has no public strategy.
@@fourkingbs I made a mistake. I think I commented/asked the wrong person. I didn't realize I was in the wrong comment! I deleted my comment. Sorry about that.
@@someguyik oh sorry maybe I over reacted. I thought you were in defence of free information in AP.
I strongly believe you shouldn't profit from selling information in AP. Others believe it's their right to do what they wish and to ell with the new real APs
@@fourkingbsNo worries. I think I was trying to ask someone how they got started as an AP. I'm sure a lot of people are interested in getting started, so I can see where that's an annoying question for people that are APs.
My apologies again Art. Totally my misunderstanding ♡
I'd really like to know how you get an edge sports betting.
Arbitrage is the way. Use the Google machine.
In essence you use sharp books (Pinnacle, Bookmaker, Circa) as a source of truth on a play and then you find a soft/recreational book (FanDuel, DraftKings) where they're offering better odds on that play compared to the sharp book. That's the nuts and bolts simplified answer on how to gain an edge sports betting.
@@ThePatriots010304 yeah you'll get limited very quickly doing this tho
Im all for taking the casino for everything they got.. but its so easy for them to counter any card counter. New shuffle every hand.
Why would we shuffle every hand? If we identify you as an advantage player we just back you off. We generate money by hands per hour, shuffling every hand is counterproductive.
if the casino is that concerned with stopping advantage players or counters this is the only way to counter that. It wouldn't waste that much time to have a deck ready; perhaps 10 seconds @@aaronortwein9932
Generate EV but minimize your risk of ruin
Sometimes more risk or ruin is worth it if you Ev increases by over 100%
@maximusfrank2835,
I disagree. ROR is a very real statistic to pay attention to. I have known many people who have lost it all chasing EV and not paying attention to ROR.
@@mathprofii7877 Think of it like stocks- because theoretically counting isn’t gambling, right? If you have a 8% chance of loosing everything on a stock, but then you read about another stock that is going to make 100% more return, it’s going to make it faster too, but the company has a 14% of going bankrupt, which are you choosing? Time is money too.
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@@mathprofii7877 (Did my comment get deleted?) Theoretically counting is investing, right? If you are investing in a company, but then discover another company that will offer you a 100% more of a return with only a 10% greater risk of bankruptcy, it’s well worth just going for it. If you are scared of risk of ruin you should just stick to ETF and Mutual fund investing. Card counting is similar to penny stock investing. It’s volatile, it’s not guaranteed, but if it works out you make some serious cash. If this wasn’t true then everyone would keep AP playing and not “retire” after so much profit. Similar reason why people liquidate their portfolios.
Make a video on odds on gravity blackjack
She is cool.
On the discussion at 17:15, it seems like having to write a $50K check to Bob Nersesian would eat into the team's EV a lot, unless it's an exceedingly rare event.
Great stuff
Excellent listening thanks 🙏
Gina, explain all these jargon terms: BP??? Heat???? etc.
Big Player: A member of a card counting team who makes a big bets when the count is favorable. They depend on “spotters” to call them in. This play is used for cover only. Invented by BJ Hall of Fame member Al Fransesco, made famous by Ken Uston, and the MIT team.
We have a helpful glossary of terms on our website: www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/glossary-of-blackjack-terms/
And here is a whole video we did on “Heat”: ua-cam.com/video/5qhvi6slNdc/v-deo.htmlsi=DRrEGN6yY0kBPSMp
OKAY. THANKS. @@Blackjackapprenticeship
BP: Big player. In BJ team play, the BP waits for signals from other players and then puts big money in play. Heat: Observation and pressure from casino personnel, most notably pit bosses. Heat can range from passive measures (shuffling the deck more often) to active measures (kicking you out).
9:20. I don't qualify for anything 🤣🤣
What are the other big AP games and methods? Poker, sports betting? Where does one find these other edges?
Not gonna lie if you can’t find them on your own you never will, this business requires creativity
I’m ready to venture into other forms of gambling. I’ve tried slots AP but it’s too competitive and casinos have made the RTP lower on AP machines.
Can you help me make this transition?
Where are you playing slots?
How th do you get an edge on sports betting
On the subject of APs, with sports betting, you're playing against other betters in some sense. As long as we have bad betters, we will always have plus plays. And I don't think there is any shortage of new players, even if they are a revolving door there will always be another crop of young college age boys looking to bet.
How to be an advantage player?
What is the difference between REKO and KO? REKO is easier how?
I count cards a lot less now that I have an edge sports betting, significantly less stress
Would you be able to share where you found this edge?
@@guillermotorres7740 I mean there's a ton of ways to skin a cat lol, the biggest thing is finding what works for you
I know nothing about this interesting subject, but I have a curious question.
The Casino in Sweden has machines that shuffles the cards, no old school dealer shoes. Can you still use your techniques when they have these machines?
How many decks do they use in a machine?
Those are what's called CSMs or Continuous Shuffling Machines, they can't be counted and beaten. Unfortunately, they are in many of the casinos in Scandinavia and Western Europe. There are still shoe games out there but they're much harder to find.
Hi Colin, I've been a successful part time card counter for almost a year, largely thanks to your awesome videos and CVCX. The one thing I feel like I'm missing is a group, similar to the church team you ran.
Do you know of any resources that could help me find a card counting team? Thank you!
If you’re not already a member on the website we have a great forum & regional chat rooms that people have been able to form great teams from.
Thank you for the reply, I'll check it out!
Colin, you’re amazing. A question for you, how much you charge a person to share knowledge if the person could net $500 to $1,000 per month plus lots of free food ? I’ve found an edge, but don’t know the market value of such info.
I know a beatable casino , H17 , DAS , Resplit aces , double in soft hands , more than 60% penetration , bj pays 3:2 , hole card , with late surrender.
How would you play it ?
18:25 mark when he talks about 60s when they changed the BJ rules and people stopped playing. So they had to change them back. As he mentions, today people will keep playing no matter how bad the rules get. I don't understand it. People don't realize the power they have in groups to force change, or they don't undertand fractions 3:2 vs 6:5 so they keep playing it. That and triple zero roulette. So annoying.
Most Gamblers don't understand the probability loss in the Casinos advantage and they don't know where or how to complain about it.
Pennsylvania shows it’s possible to get regulation to mandate good rules. We need that nationwide if not worldwide.
@@MewtwoStruckBack And not coincidentally PA has the highest hold in the country per table in BJ. People might not understand why they're getting fleeced so fast in some garbage like 6:5 bj but they know they're losing too fast.
I’ve come up with a solution that’s not guaranteed but it’s a solution. I thought I should say become the casinos friends like they try to be friend you before they take all your money, but don’t get carried away with winning. Leave a little bit at a time.
Are these super gambler advantage players?
Caeser's and the MGM hack was not a technology thing but a human thing. What basically happened was that someone with access to important systems gave away their access codes. Think of it this way, It was a tech's way of observing a poker player for his or her electronic tells and then used those tells to determine the access and then took the casino for everything they thought they could get.
As bad as casinos can be for some folks, living in a society where the government manages our lives so closely that we cannot gamble legally is worse. Sure....If they ONLY regulated gambling that way, then maybe it would be OK. But that is not how things work. Much more than gambling is impacted by such oversight.
Hello Colin, I’ve been following you for a few months now and just getting into the basics of counting. I keep having a problem when I have a hand that is made up of multiple cards and was wondering if I just continue using deviations and basic strategy or if I change it up when you have more than two cards, for example a soft 18 (A,7) is a hit against a dealer 10 but if I had a soft 14 (A,3) and pull a 4 (A,3,4) it’s still technically a soft 18 and is a hit correct?
Correct, the number of cards don't matter, only the total (and the count) dictate our actions.
BEST UA-cam CHANNEL BY ANY ADVANTAGE PLAYER EVER ON UA-cam ! PERIOD!! AND ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE! THERE IS ALOT OF IDIOTS ON UA-cam THAT ARE LITERALLY BANNING THEMSELVES FROM ALL CASINO'S BECAUSE THEY PUT TOO MUCH INFO ABOUT WHAT AND HOW THEY BEAT CASINOS. YOU MY FRIEND ARE MUCH SMARTER AND THE CONTENT IS ALWAYS 💯 AND YOUR NEVER BIASED AND HONEST WITH THE VIEWERS. LOVE THIS CHANNEL!! BTW THIS INTERVIEW WAS 🔥 YOUR INTERVIEWING SKILLS ARE WAY ABOVE AVERAGE 💯
Im also Team Edge: if there is a Game i can Build an Edge and i can make money, im In!
colin seems like such a nice man
I can think of a few hedge fund managers that would love to see a resume with years of successful gambling experience
What does the term "bp" mean
Big player. The person that bets big when the count is high in a AP team
How long could these 2 people play Blackjack before being told to stop?
27 minutes.
So, he said “Don’t check out Holy Rollers”. Hold me back!
How quickly do the bookmakers in the U.S shutdown your accounts if you are taking value? In the UK you can probably take value for about a month before they close the account. Until eventually the accounts run out. In the UK value play, advantage play long term is impossible
It depends on the Sportsbook. FanDuel and Draft kings won’t necessarily shut your account but they’ll severely limit you max bet and you can duplicate bets after a couple of months. Other Sportsbooks won’t do anything
I'm in Canada and I signed up for as many offshore sportsbooks as I could. All of them didn't even let me make my first $1,000 in profit before limiting me. These full time sports betters probably live in a state like Colorado that has a huge amount of sportsbooks and they probably get friends/family to supply them with their info so they can sign up for more accounts with their names after being limited
@@rileylopez4037 same in the UK the bookmakers (sportsbooks) won't quite close your account (they need them for the City figures) but they will limit you to pennies. All sportsbooks and bookmakers in the UK are the same though, there are no exceptions.
most sites limit pretty fast. some a week some a few months.
Dude I’ve been finding way easier on the table counting than running thru a deck of cards.
Also noticed that my local casino deck penetration is way worse on the weekends. Is that a thing. I honestly got paranoid when I seen it I was like woah that a whole deck your cutting on on double deck.. smh
Had a count up to 7 pressed heavy and took the side
bet of any hard 20. Win and the dealer literally said out loud woah how did you do that haha.
I know Colin says not to pay a negative shoe, but multiple times it was negative right out the gate. One of the times after two hands it was d13 so I figured that I’d bet the buster because logic say they’re more likely to have a busy card no? I did that twice and hit on both. Was I lucky and/or is this flawed thinking
You guys mention how upstairs sometimes depends if they really care about their job.
I had am incident where I didnt get paid $300 on a progressive carnival game and I thought I was out of luck.
The pit boss said they can roll the tape and pay me.
They said I didnt get a flush. I asked to get it checked again and they said they did.
Im basically depending on security to rewind the tape then voluntarily saying to pay me for the flush.
Does anyone have anyway of challenging that?
I thought I was out of luck and was accepting I made the mistane for not catching it. Then they got me hopeful.
You should be able to contact gaming in most jurisdictions and have them look into it.
Weird to be rooting against a fellow card counter or sports bettor in such massive ev markets, I can understand smaller pools of ev with zero sum game.
I got a good memory with my little sister and roulette.
they keep making em big bets and taking advantag of the casino
Gina is right on. Onslaught of Sports betting marketing will cause so much pain to so many unsophisticated bettors. The addiction and financial ruin will destroy too many, particularly younger people. Frightening.
I'm an edge seeker in general
Like when the waitress brings the check, I try to get an edge on her.
Hi how much should my bank roll be . I have $500
For card counting, Colin says you need $50K.
We’ve got to make the casinos afraid that gamblers won’t play their mathematically inferior versions of blackjack, Craps, and roulette. We must all work hard together to get players off these inferior games so the casino makes $0.
Did he actually say dice control? That's sounds legal. 😅
I have no issues having an edge. As a Veteran I get free play at various Casinos(some offers better than others) and some Casinos will upgrade me to the next tier level. In 2018 at one of my local casinos my I had a Net gain of about $500. I had to cover my bet which was only a $1 on the slots and this was within a 3 month period.
I had class at my local VA and I noticed I had about 15 to 20 minutes of extra time before my class so I would go to my casino put a $1 in the slot. If I won I'd deposit my winnings in the bank if I lost, not big deal. I'm in it for the long term.
Non-Casino offers, is on Veteran's Day I get free meals at local restaurants. I would start my my day around 7:30 a.m. and I'll usually finish about dinner time around 8:30 9 p.m.
Usually the following week Golden Corral has it's Veteran appreciation starting at 5 p.m. we usually get seated around 5:30 to 6p. I'll usually eat for about 2.5 hours.
No issues here for gaining an advantage of offers.
Is it me or do they all look like they could be brother and sister
What did they get arrested for? Don't the casinos just make you leave if you card count?
You need a unabated affiliate program and you would sell more
Wow I have the same personality as her. lol
1:52 well jokes on our parents. Will create a legacy greater than any of can fathom. We will stand tall and proud over their chaos. Hopd strong and never forget that way we can pass down our legend and ensure our younger generations are prepared throigh and through for the battles they will face. We battle ourselves, others, the systems, etc etc. Lifes a battle, and we must train and prepare, and than we must charge ince ready! Lets go people this is our last chance to make something of ourselves before things really start to fall apart of society. Come on people!!
Nobody does card counting alone to earn a living via EV sportsbetting is the easy way to get rich.
What is a BP.. 🥴
Big Player: A member of a card counting team who makes a big bets when the count is favorable. They depend on “spotters” to call them in. This play is used for cover only. Invented by BJ Hall of Fame member Al Fransesco, made famous by Ken Uston, and the MIT team.
Colin this was really nice. Laughed your ending but it came too late.. I already have seen Holy Rollers…
Gina felt bad about the carousel thing but learned early on some amazing life lessons that is something that some people can’t learn.. I always let a kid ride for free when my 2 girls were with me.. I was that kid too ..❤️🩹
Thanks again.. this was nice.. show your kids when you feel like they are old enough..
that girls reasoning for sports betting was the most depressing life story ive ever head lmfao
Do you think crossing your fingers is AP lol😂😊
Don't use casino players cards
I love incompetent hosts the legal apps have been hiring( especially a few years) ago the ability to give out tons of money.
How about CASINOS being miserable cheap to their employees!!! Only CEO’S and top tier managers get bonuses and the rest screwed 🙄🤬
People make their own decision on whether or not to work there.
6:21
Wtf is VP?
VP is usually meant for Video Poker. When Gina referred to BP it stand for Big Player: A member of a card counting team who makes a big bets when the count is favorable. They depend on “spotters” to call them in. This play is used for cover only. Invented by BJ Hall of Fame member Al Fransesco, made famous by Ken Uston, and the MIT team.
We have a helpful glossary of terms on our website: www.blackjackapprenticeship.com/glossary-of-blackjack-terms/
It's funny hearing Jack lie to himself and/or viewers about AP somehow being better day by day. How could anyone possibly believe something that ridiculous?
INFORMATION to find edges is undeniably the best it's ever been, but as for the edges themselves: yeah way worse when said information leads to too many people oversaturating the edge and forcing casinos to worsen the rules
Glad I could humor you, but it's true. There are far more edges and ways to gain an edge now than there were in the past. In general, markets tend towards efficiency, but there are so many new markets opening every day. For instance, I'm doing things now that I wasn't doing when we filmed this back in September. Perhaps you need to explore new markets instead of trying to squeeze money from a dried up angle.
How are these people not banned from every casino?
Lol bro is looking to Edge
Fascinating watching the successful ones, however the casinos have ways of catching those who dont play to their rules. Some of those card counters have ex posed the under belly of the casinos, completely ruthless 1 step away from roughing you up or jailing you. Everone else its sleep to the slaughter. Sports betting has opened up venues where the everyday person can win. Its not so lopsided. Plus sports betting u can go about ur day. The pro bj players sitting there for an untold ant of hrs with huge buy in amts, not ideal for ur health.
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It's pretty easy to detect card counters at the blackjack tables. They're so serious and have to intently watch every card. I like to fuck them up by going against basic strategy. Casinos suck. Can't stand the noise, lights and the type of people in those places. Try making a real living and doing something useful. Start your own business. That's a true advantage player.
It seems like all the slimy casino owners, and managers don't have any consciences about riding the merry go round for free.
Isnt it better to just buy the bitcoin?
XDDDDDDD
I think you should make a video about micky the gambler. I think he is a fraud
Yeah colin ur cheap we all figured
I don't think this woman has ever won a bet
What makes you say so? She's intelligent, I wouldn't be surprised
@@lauraaa3049 Jealousy.
Very predatory profession. Imagine all the friends these guys have screwed over
How so? They used to " steal" from casinos, a business keen on cheating and stealing from people and profiting from addicions. Although i don't like that term to describe card counting bc they merely used their intelligence to win a game.
@@lauraaa3049 poker players prey on beginners. They invite people over to play at night, get the other players as drunk as they can, play for 6-8 hours to make sure they're not mentally sharp and take their money. Imagine inviting some friend over to play a sport that you are good at and they suck at, then taking their money when they lose. It's a scam.
haha, how is winning money from a casino "predatory"? The casinos are the real predators.
The problem isn't that Colin and this material isn't right; It's that they fail to strategize properly just like the MIT students do.
Casinos do not 'fear' AP players no more than they fear any other gambler. It's just a business transaction, no more no less. An all you can eat buffet that charges a flat price doesn't 'fear' a competitive eater but will lose money if that eater doesn't pay for another full entry price every 2 hours.
Trying to take $10,000+ a day from the casino, is bad for business. Be an AP player and be cool with earning $100-500 a day and keep it moving. I don't understand why this isn't preached enough.
That's the wildest way of looking at this advantage players will be identifed by local casinos it's only a matter of time so an Ap is suppose to travel to other states to play to hopefully make 500 a day your ignoring how advantage play actually works and living in a dream land. Catching an Ap has very little to do with how much money your playing with. And in order to even make that you still have to raise bets at certain points during a session and you will be identifed by the casino often it only takes one bet that could be a red flag for instance your playing 25 a hand all night try raising that bet watch what happens. People have tried low stakes Ap forever it fails time and time again the big scores are the single only way to play try it yourself
@@ironmike-lb8pi Correct and Incorrect on a few things my friend. I provided a length reply so I'm not just giving opinions but facts and actual experience. Let's review:
I know how AP works and will share for our readers/those that don't watch Colin or other AP videos: You maximize your bet opportunities when the 'play' is mathematically in your favor and minimize/don't play when it's not. Realistically, this only works on BJ and Baccarat, but the philosophy can be applied to any game or area of life (Experienced or 'Advantage' Fisherman usually go with the movement of the Earth's tide as that's what moves the bait fish bringing in the targeted fish).
You're Correct: AP identifying has nothing to do with your bankroll or buying in amount
You're Correct: You do have to raise your bet at times to take advantage of situations
You're Incorrect: you don't have to have huge scores to play it and be profitable.
As a player I have had conversations with Pit Supervisors (those who stay within a section of table play) and Pit Bosses (shift mgrs. w/ the final say in conversation with Security and Asset Protection) across multiple casino brands and it's the same with every casino: A winning player, AP or not, is okay; A greedy player is not.
Casinos KNOW they have to pay out otherwise no one (degenerate gamblers, AP players and thrill seekers alike) would never play. Paying out is the cost of business and rightfully so in this line of entertainment.
How much and how often to certain individuals is where the red flags are raised. The real low stakes AP players are left alone and keep playing forever because 1. They have proper bank roll mgmt. 2. They do not whale continuously the wagers when the count/roll/spin whatever is working for them. You have to have the discipline to leave at a target amount.
AP teaches to keep pushing when the count is in your favor an play at your max bet units to increase the odds of positive EV and at times use deviation from normal play, but you have to disregard that information in favor of the long term game. Remember, Colin, MIT and all the rest of the folks got backed off because of DRASTIC bet swings, deviation and collection. That's bad for the casino's business. $100-500 a day/week is part of the scripted anticipated expense used for Accounting and Bonuses. $1000+ isn't (and that's what those aforementioned individuals were doing and would continue to do if unchecked; read their books and watch their movies. That's how those Bankrolls got so big in such a short amount of time (under 2 years)). Most of them quit the 9-5 to pursue this full time and put their long term play at risk doing so.
AP players only travel because they get caught. If you didn't get caught and identified, you wouldn't travel. Screaming this part loudly: ADVANTAGE PLAYERS ARE ONLY A PROBLEM WHEN THEY ARE GREEDY WITH THE ADVANTAGE!
Consider the Slot jackpot payouts: always starting at $1200 and up to on certain machines easily at 6 or 7 figures depending on the bet size and wager denomination ($.01-$100). Those never go off at once and when the big ones do, they put a dent in that weeks profits. On higher traffic days, they pay more and earn more, yet you never get 'backed off' from them? Why? because the Casino maintains it's profitability even though they have to payout (yes slots don't compare to an AP game like BJ/Bac but the principle holds true; if it didn't slots wouldn't be on the floor).
I know that was long and I admire anyone with the discipline to read all of that but it's the truth. You don't need to beat the casino anymore than you need to beat a restaurant or retail store. Take advantage wisely and play the long term game: Be a master at your bank roll and growth strategy, don't be greedy, use your comped card and have fun!
Remember: for a traditional work week (5 days) and 48 week calendar year over the course of a decade, $100-500 is $240K-1.2 million dollars. All because you stayed disciplined and altered your AP Strategy
Happy Gaming!
@@tmasst07 that's where your wrong you can only be an advantage player with big scores and big bets your idea to play pennies at the local casino has never and will never work for anyone its not real no Ap can win consistently enough to make a couple hundred a day profit. Anyone with any actual experience will tell you the same thing your not the first wrong person who thinks they can win small under the radar it doesn't work hints why no Ap on the planet plays that way
@@ironmike-lb8pi lmao. I just told you we don't get caught. You 'insisting' that it doesn't work or is not real is because you have never done it successfully. I can understand the ignorance but don't be arrogant and stupid. you're lack of proof or evidence DOES NOT mean it doesn't happening or is not happening.
It's not a 'thought', theory or hypothesis. I've got the experience and bankroll to prove it. I'm beyond luck cause I've got multiple weeks and months with positive profit. yes you can, you just need to be disciplined and smart. Use math AND cunning; math AND wisdom. AP players like yourself get stuck on the math and forget the rest of the profitable strategy
Open your mind to a different way and get off of that one way track that leads you to being backed off and banished. That type of thinking is EXACTLY WHY you big scorers/ big betters never make it long term.
I dare you to do it for just 6 months, assuming you're close enough to a casino w/ an hours drive
Just like you're type of AP, I don't always leave a winner, so I'm not guarantying each session I'm winning a $100. I lose just like big Bet APs. I'm just smart enough to check those losses AND the freaking wins so I'm assist not a liability to the casino.
I would have to see some kind of proof that you are successful and yet want to see a teaching service. I mean if you are this successful, why would you bother teaching anyone and charge them for it? Can you post evidence of your winnings in a way that can be validated...
It's easy to see considering there is a documentary, book, and previous students who are also successful counters and on various social medias.
store.blackjackapprenticeship.com/collections/frontpage/products/holy-rollers-documentary
I bet these guys are broke
Either you understand or you don’t.
Bottom line, advantage play can’t be a full time career. Casinos won’t let you be ahead. Only l thing you can do is part time card counting for fun. There are much better things in life you can do
Huh? I personally know professional AP’s that make a solid 6 figures slot hustling, hole carding etc. you sound ignorant
It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself of this so that you don't have to try as hard.
I have been doing it since 2003 and have several friends who have done it full time over extended periods of time. In fact the biggest danger to a professional gambler is usually his own lack of discipline, not the casinos.
You do know this channel is made by people who actually do this, right? They train people and have a large community of people that do this for a living.
@@Apollyon83yes because I was an advantage player and 70% of casinos that has good games stopped me from BJ. They know how to spot you