I just shot some boss tom this last weekend in sw iowa. Brought a couple with for long distance pokes at some snows just to play around. We crunched a total of 228snow geese saturday between 8 guys. It was an insane hunt where all the stars aligned for a few hours.
Man, that's cool! I have a pile of 15g/cc federal heviweight 7s turkey loads that l sometimes throw in for a long shot and it knocks the heck out of geese...l bet those Boss tom 9s are wicked
@@D_Boone not very long. We have a vird hitch that still works pretty well on snows, bluesn and ross geese. Canadas i have not tried it on but the light geese are just barely larger than a lg mallard. Figure 15seconds each tops.
Great video. Everyone is punching holes in paper. Thank you for showing ballistic gel penetration tests at the longer ranges. Really shows what TSS is capable of doing.
I'm not one to fall for fancy marketing and hype. I care about real world results. After watching a few of your test videos, you just cost me $80 lol. Ordered a box of Boss Tom # 9
Hopefully you can get to the 20 ga. sometime in the future? I like 20 ga. and #7-#8 TSS. Don't like pickin' tiny shot out of birds. The bigger shot mostly goes thru and thru.
“No matter what you shoot them with or through” Did I hear that right, you’re going to be testing patterns through brush and grass in a future episode?! 😉
Haha, thanks so much! The videos help push me to test things to improve my own hunting setup too. I take the learnings right into the woods. Half of the videos are just for me to figure out what I should use lol.
Never mind gold prospecting we need to mine more tungsten to bring the price down! (Very difficult as there is a world price on this stuff and they won't let you sell it any cheaper on the market)
Always enjoy when you put a new video! The pattern and ballistic gel have always been helpfull. New to turkey hunting and I found some new kents predator turkey loads. They are only 15cc compared to other 18 cc loads. Wondering if you have shot this load or could do a test of this load against another shell.?
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I'm not sure what the retail price is, I bought a box on sale for 17.99 at the fleet farm near me. Waiting for it to stop snowing so I can pattern it
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I love PA. I’ve hunted Public Land a few times there with a Buddy of mine. Never put a tag on anything yet, but I’d love to get back up there again. My buddy isn’t much of a Hunter though. So if I go back up there it’ll most likely be me hunting by myself.
What's your opinion on the realistic ecological impact of lead shot? Here in Minnesota they're talking about banning lead for fishing, lead shot has been banned for waterfowl as far back as I can recall.
Ducks eat the lead shot because it looks like seeds and it can make them sick. Beyond that, I don't think there is any impact. Dirt naturally has lead in it, its just not concentrated enough to build up before the body can emit it. I'm not that kind of scientist though, so I don't weigh in to heavily on this topic because I only know so much about it.
At 20 yards, the pattern is a little bigger than a softball. You won't have any pellets in the meat. I took my last Gobbler with the BOSS at about 43 yards and still didn't have any in the meat.
Interesting, but you have missed the point. The benefit of TSS is to be able to use really small shot. Really small shot means a great many more pellets than larger lead pellets that have the same foot pounds of penetration, so your pattern density is almost twice. As it only takes one pellet to do the job, pattern density is higher in priority. Please stop pushing kill shot fantasies beyond forty yards; 9 out of 10 of my gunning students can’t judge distance over 25 yards within 6 yards +-, and these folks shoot 1,500 rounds per year at clays. Folks who think that the limit is 50 instead of 40 will undoubtedly make a 60+ yard shot, irresponsible with any shotgun and legal ammo. Please stop promoting long range, it’s about the density of small fast shot.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I follow you, but you fail to realize that my choice of gobbler gun has two barrels with two different chokes which I load with two different shot sizes. I’ve been doing this for well over fifty years and have directly or indirectly been responsible for over three hundred dead toms including a grand slam. I’ve forgotten more than most hunters will ever learn about the sport, so I know a thing or two. I don’t worry about a pattern too tight at close range because one barrel is an open choke, and I don’t miss with small shot because my pattern is dense and basketball wide and the small shot are lethal at close range. Anything past 25 yards gets a tight choke which is basketball size at that range and a tad larger at 40. No one will ever convince me of anything that I don’t already know, but I appreciate the patterns into the ballistic gel. That’s why I watched the video. What I am curious about is the difference in muzzle velocity of lead versus TSS to see what size lead it takes to penetrate the gel to the same depth as a load of TSS #9’s at forty yards, assuming the same fps. Let’s use the Win AA standard of 1,200 fps. My guess is that a plated load of #5’s penetrates as deep as TSS #9’s at the same distance, similar fps. Even if sixes went that deep, the pattern density of TSS nines would outweigh lead 6’s. I can’t shoot TSS now because a relative talked me out of my 3” 12 ga that is rated for steel. My old guns will not be subjected to hard shot, so lead it is unless I hunt in the rain with a modern gun. Then it’s TSS 9’s and woe unto anything that gets in the way. Keep working at it, you’ll come around to the two barrel way of thinking if you want to be serious about this. And if you do you’ll choose a gun with two triggers so that you don’t brain fart the choke choice when the opportunity arises.
I know you spent a minimum of $40 on four shots. Appreciate all your efforts.
Thank you sir!
I just shot some boss tom this last weekend in sw iowa. Brought a couple with for long distance pokes at some snows just to play around. We crunched a total of 228snow geese saturday between 8 guys. It was an insane hunt where all the stars aligned for a few hours.
Wow! How long does it take a breast 228 geese???
Wow. How did the BOSS Tom's Perform?
Man, that's cool!
I have a pile of 15g/cc federal heviweight 7s turkey loads that l sometimes throw in for a long shot and it knocks the heck out of geese...l bet those Boss tom 9s are wicked
@@D_Boone not very long. We have a vird hitch that still works pretty well on snows, bluesn and ross geese. Canadas i have not tried it on but the light geese are just barely larger than a lg mallard. Figure 15seconds each tops.
Great video. Everyone is punching holes in paper. Thank you for showing ballistic gel penetration tests at the longer ranges. Really shows what TSS is capable of doing.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you so much for taking the time and money to produce this video!
Thanks for watching!
George, you rock. Awesome job, I know it's expensive to shoot those rounds.God bless you for the information you provide.
Thank you so much!
Great video George!
Thank you again for putting out you own time and $ to educate all of us.
You are so welcome. And thank you!
The wide angle lens always makes it look like the targets are 80 yards away. 😂
Hoping to get a more sensible camera in the future. I only have a GoPro right now.
I'm not one to fall for fancy marketing and hype. I care about real world results. After watching a few of your test videos, you just cost me $80 lol. Ordered a box of Boss Tom # 9
Haha, sorry!
George it was hurting me just watching you shoot those shells! God bless you and go get them in the marsh!
Haha, thanks so much. I delayed a moment before turning back to the camera each time to compose myself lol
Hopefully you can get to the 20 ga. sometime in the future? I like 20 ga. and #7-#8 TSS. Don't like pickin' tiny shot out of birds. The bigger shot mostly goes thru and thru.
I have been pondering a 20. But I've gotten 2 new shotguns in the last 2 years. I think I need to take it easy for a little while lol.
Your much more informative than blue collar outdoors,much better tests my friend keep up the great work
Thanks so much!
Yeah right bud😂 bco has the best most extensive choke /load tests on the market facts bud
“No matter what you shoot them with or through”
Did I hear that right, you’re going to be testing patterns through brush and grass in a future episode?! 😉
I am actually, and feathers!
Ouch. Thx
Thanks for watching!
I'm glad you spend your money so we don't have to. Great content as always
Haha, thanks so much! The videos help push me to test things to improve my own hunting setup too. I take the learnings right into the woods. Half of the videos are just for me to figure out what I should use lol.
Never mind gold prospecting we need to mine more tungsten to bring the price down! (Very difficult as there is a world price on this stuff and they won't let you sell it any cheaper on the market)
Oh yea, I'm surprised it's even feasible to get enough of it for ammo. Super rare material.
Always enjoy when you put a new video! The pattern and ballistic gel have always been helpfull. New to turkey hunting and I found some new kents predator turkey loads. They are only 15cc compared to other 18 cc loads. Wondering if you have shot this load or could do a test of this load against another shell.?
Thanks! I have not seen though. How are they priced? 15gg can be a great load if the price makes sense.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I'm not sure what the retail price is, I bought a box on sale for 17.99 at the fleet farm near me. Waiting for it to stop snowing so I can pattern it
@@adambeeck9626 Sounds like a good deal!
Great vid
Thank you!!!
Another awesome Video. Where are you from and do you do most of your Hunting on Public or Private Land?
Thanks! I'm in western PA. I hunt both public and private for turkeys.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I love PA. I’ve hunted Public Land a few times there with a Buddy of mine. Never put a tag on anything yet, but I’d love to get back up there again. My buddy isn’t much of a Hunter though. So if I go back up there it’ll most likely be me hunting by myself.
@@TheNewHuntersGuide If you’re ever looking for a New Hunting Buddy, My Hunting Clothes and Weapons stay Packed.
@@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984 Haha, nice!
What's your opinion on the realistic ecological impact of lead shot? Here in Minnesota they're talking about banning lead for fishing, lead shot has been banned for waterfowl as far back as I can recall.
Ducks eat the lead shot because it looks like seeds and it can make them sick. Beyond that, I don't think there is any impact. Dirt naturally has lead in it, its just not concentrated enough to build up before the body can emit it. I'm not that kind of scientist though, so I don't weigh in to heavily on this topic because I only know so much about it.
I think this gun it's better for you than all the gun you have
I like it alot!
@@TheNewHuntersGuide this one and waterfowl which one it's have good parring?
At 20 yards and in-with that penetration and 900 pellets - how bad will meat be filled with pellets on a breast shot?
At 20 yards, the pattern is a little bigger than a softball. You won't have any pellets in the meat. I took my last Gobbler with the BOSS at about 43 yards and still didn't have any in the meat.
Wait, you can use lead? Can’t here in Texas for any waterfowl or hunt.
We can hunt turkeys and anything but waterfowl with lead here.
So what happens if you have the turkey show up at 25 yards and you are using TSS? Will you tear his head off?
At 25, no, at 15 probably.
Not enough deference
Couldn't go wrong with either.
What's the difference in price between the 2?
As tested, they are almost identical, APEX is a few cents cheaper per shell.
Apex
Interesting, but you have missed the point. The benefit of TSS is to be able to use really small shot. Really small shot means a great many more pellets than larger lead pellets that have the same foot pounds of penetration, so your pattern density is almost twice. As it only takes one pellet to do the job, pattern density is higher in priority. Please stop pushing kill shot fantasies beyond forty yards; 9 out of 10 of my gunning students can’t judge distance over 25 yards within 6 yards +-, and these folks shoot 1,500 rounds per year at clays. Folks who think that the limit is 50 instead of 40 will undoubtedly make a 60+ yard shot, irresponsible with any shotgun and legal ammo. Please stop promoting long range, it’s about the density of small fast shot.
The channel and doctrine is deeper than one video. Try this one. ua-cam.com/video/kmoBsozuzHo/v-deo.html
@@TheNewHuntersGuide I follow you, but you fail to realize that my choice of gobbler gun has two barrels with two different chokes which I load with two different shot sizes. I’ve been doing this for well over fifty years and have directly or indirectly been responsible for over three hundred dead toms including a grand slam. I’ve forgotten more than most hunters will ever learn about the sport, so I know a thing or two. I don’t worry about a pattern too tight at close range because one barrel is an open choke, and I don’t miss with small shot because my pattern is dense and basketball wide and the small shot are lethal at close range. Anything past 25 yards gets a tight choke which is basketball size at that range and a tad larger at 40. No one will ever convince me of anything that I don’t already know, but I appreciate the patterns into the ballistic gel. That’s why I watched the video. What I am curious about is the difference in muzzle velocity of lead versus TSS to see what size lead it takes to penetrate the gel to the same depth as a load of TSS #9’s at forty yards, assuming the same fps. Let’s use the Win AA standard of 1,200 fps. My guess is that a plated load of #5’s penetrates as deep as TSS #9’s at the same distance, similar fps. Even if sixes went that deep, the pattern density of TSS nines would outweigh lead 6’s. I can’t shoot TSS now because a relative talked me out of my 3” 12 ga that is rated for steel. My old guns will not be subjected to hard shot, so lead it is unless I hunt in the rain with a modern gun. Then it’s TSS 9’s and woe unto anything that gets in the way. Keep working at it, you’ll come around to the two barrel way of thinking if you want to be serious about this. And if you do you’ll choose a gun with two triggers so that you don’t brain fart the choke choice when the opportunity arises.
Slow down man I can't keep up
Just trying to keep the video from being too long!