A Look At Swiss Volcano, Emberlit and FourDog Bush Stoves
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2022
- Backpacking stoves, Twig stoves, bush cooker or bush stove what ever you want to call them they have several advantages over a ground fire. The contain the wood and allow the heat to rise and not be wasted out the sides. They allow a fire to be brought under a tarp roof with reasonable safety. They seem to regulate and take full advantage of small amounts of wood. Some are just containers with air holes and some are gassifier stoves. That means they reburn some of the fumes put off by the fire. How this magically works? I cant explain but I know it works. In this video we allow 9 ounces of wood for a ground fire and 9 ounces for a Four Dog Stove Bush Cooker in a head to head test.
"I can't pronounce it, I'm Southern"....haha, you crack me up Dave! I don't comment much but I have to say thanks for all the great videos over the years. You were the first channel I ever subscribed to, still watching till this day.
Lol. I'm southern and I can not lie. I'm glad you like the videos and thanks for the years of support and views my friend!
@@Reallybigmonkey1 lots of people in England can’t say aluminum-no big deal!
Absolutely agree always has been and will be my favorite outdoor YT channel
Whenever I watch your videos I find myself saying, "That's not gonna work," but inevitably, it does! Well done.
Lol! Very cool to hear that Andrew!
I love how enthusiastic you are about boiling water.
Lol, I was very excited at the results
Morning Dave, another good one. The volcano stove works well by concentrates the heat and flames into a smaller area and the gasifier allows you to totally burn the wood. You are right about playing with your gear I use to have a coach who always said “ boys how you practice is how you’ll play”I don’t get to go often so I set up in the back yard it’s easy to go in the shed to get what I forgot to bring 😂
Morning Ron and I love the way your coach put it! There's a lot of truth to that. Thanks for watching brother
Nice one Dave! hey I watched a vlog long, long time ago. The guy melted some Vaseline and dipped 2 cotton balls and soaked them. He then had a plastic straw (McDonalds, because they use a larger diameter straw) cut them into about 2-inch increments, melted one side and used pliers to pinch close one end while hot. Then stuffed the Vaseline soaked Cottonballs into the cut strips of the straw. Then meted the open end and pinched that closed. This them provided a waterproof, easy to pack, that won't dry out and emergency firestarter....heheheh for I can remember, it was you who taught me that. thanks again Dave. Stay safe and healthy brother!
Thanks Vic, Im glad you liked it. Nope, that wasn't me but it sounds like a really cool firestarter! Thanks for watching
Wax paper cotton ball trick is a great idea, I'll be trying that! As for the gasifier I had no doubt it would way out perform the open flame. That 2nd pot of water would have been safe to drink at that temperature. Excellent video Brother Dave! I enjoy these type test videos for sure. Thanks for sharing the results buddy! Big thumbs up ~John
Thanks John, I'm glad you liked it brother. I figured the gasifier would win but not by this much! Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching brother
Applied outdoor thermodynamics with professor Dave 😀! Funny and instructive. So nice birds chatting, relaxing contrast with noises of various engines around my oil tanker ship.
Lol, thanks Dan and I'm glad you liked it
This video clinched the deal, for me. I immediately went on line and bought the wood gassifier I had been "looking at" for a couple weeks. Thanks for the REALITY check.
Fantastic to hear that Jill! Keep me updated on how well you like it as you get used to it. Take care and thanks for watching
I like your long-form video. It's nice to have them running in the background while I do other stuff. I've learned a lot. Thanks.
Thanks Roberto! I'm glad you like it. Thanks for watching
Swiss Volcano Stove: The weird handle was designed to fit over the handle of a folding snow shovel punched into the ground or snow. (I have used it in a deer stand tied to a tree).
The original stove was a Borde (?) self pressurizing alcohol stove (referred to as the Borde bomb). Was ok at cooler temps and high altitude, but in warner climates it over-pressurizes & explodes. Was replaced by the 2nd Swiss stove you showed. They work well with a standard penny pop can alcohol stove (or any similar). Chafing fuel works ok as well (I've modified a small chafing fuel stove for mine-burns for about 12 hrs), but only gets to about 230F.
You are correct about being able to melt one. They were not designed for wood, but alcohol (try gelled in a jar lid ! ) or chafing fuel (diethylene glycol) works well.
Thanks for the info! I didn't know that much about them. Very interesting
I have communicated several times with the creator of the emberlit...not knocking the others but I stand by emberlit...great product and a great guy.
Oh I agree with you! I met Mikhail in person at the Blade Show and he's a fantastic guy!
Oh and I love the wax paper and greased cotton balls awesome vid today as always
Thank you Roy!
You never fail to entertain or inform. Wonderful vid. Thanks. That bush pot stove is a collector's item now.
Thanks! That's sad they don't make it anymore. Thanks for watching my friend
I watched this yesterday and didn't know what to say. I have no experience and nothing to add, other than it was highly educational to me. Thanks Dave and Nick.
It's a pretty amazing process! Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching Steve
well dave, you once again made me smile.
Fantastic to hear that Brother! Thanks for watching and see ya on the forum
Thats the most interesting way of using a plate hander i've ever seen thanks Dave that gives me an interesting idea
Fantastic to hear that Roy!
I appreciate how you are careful to provide equal inputs of heat to both configurations to gat an accurate comparison of the stoves. Maybe using a windscreen on the ground fire to improve its performance. You are the real deal! McCoy
Thanks McCoy! I'm glad you liked it and how I do things. A windscreen would definitely help out. Thanks for watching
Giving a shout out to the coolest guy on youtube. Look forward to your posts and enjoy your familiar personality.
Thank you and that's fantastic to hear!
Love your videos and your soothing and calming voice! Missed Nick on this one.
Fantastic to hear that Jay and thanks for watching brother!
I’m not sure how I missed this video Dave….I’m glad I caught it. Enjoy the summer. Aluminum….Aluminum….southern,northern….the shiny stuff 😎
It's easy to miss videos as time passes on. I'm glad you found it and liked it! Thanks for watching and you enjoy summer too!
" AGAIN!" Another excellent video. And a must know how to do the way the world is going. As for me Dave, just another lone grunt. " Semper Fi!"
Thanks Brother and thanks for watching!
Great video again Dave! Thank you! And that is real efficiency that stove!!! 👍😁👍😁
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. Man that stove is incredible! Thanks for watching my friend
Hi Dave. It's a good thing you bought 2 of the Mors pots. The company that made them went under and these are no longer being made. I love mine and I'm glad I bought one when I did. I've found that the Bushcooker stoves can be hard to light. It takes practice to get a proper fire and to maintain it, but the gasifier effect works very efficiently. If you get a good fire going and you look at the flames without a pot on it, you'll see how the they rise in a spiral. It's super efficient and the amount of ash left over is so small it disappears in the wind when you dump it out. The Four Dog Stove Company has put out some good videos on the Bushcooker stove. Actually, Don, the owner, has done much research before he invented that design. He has made a series of videos comparing different stoves and pots. They are well worth watching. I think one video is called Potology. He covers the different pot designs over the centuries and how the stove flames affect boil times etc. Thanks for the video. I was expecting you to make some Mors style coffee. :)
That is very sad those pots aren't made anymore because they are truly the perfect pot! I've watched a lot of Don Kevilous's videos and he's a very talented man. Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching
Great work on video captain 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you Dean!
Always fun hanging out with ya Dave.
It's always fun to be on here with yall, thanks for watching Jon
Another valuable video. My gas grill came in handy during Hurricane Season. Sometimes we lose power for 5 - 7 days during the big ones and we are told to boil water. When the propane runs out these Bush Stoves are handy.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. You made a very good point about grills and bush stoves during weather emergencies. That's even more of a reason to have some kinda stove handy
Great video Dave really enjoyed it love the excitement in your voice. 😄😄😄😄😄😄
Thanks, Im glad you liked it. I was pretty thrilled at how well it did! Thanks for watching Michelle!
I’ve been using the Titan stove (gasifier) for years but now I’m going to try your wood stuffing idea with the wax paper. I’ve been only feeding a few twigs into it at a time. Weak 😂. Thanks Dave
Definitely give it a try and let me know how well it works for you! Thanks for watching
I trust your scientific method Dave. Thanks for the show BM1 👍
Thanks, Im glad you liked it. Thanks for watching
Thanks Dave!! You touched on one of my big addictions!! Twig stoves!! I love all my twig stoves!! Take care! NQU
Fantastic to hear that! I'm glad you liked it
1st. ever purchase I made on ebay was the Swiss Set Up, I Remember Your Swamp Vid Using This, Ain't That Neat ? All Great Rigs For Cooking Thanks Davey. Hay Nick ! ATB T God Bless
Very cool that was your first off Ebay and even cooler you remembered my swamp adventure! Thanks for watching Terry and may God bless you too my friend
Good morning, Dave. Very nice video. So many options. It's obvious that you've been doing this for a long, long time. I watched half of the video so far. Unfortunately I have to work. I apologize for using a 4 letter word in your channel's comments. But I'll be back to watch the rest of it.
Good morning Doug! Come on back and finish the video when you can brother
Hi Dave, good video. My favorite part would have to be how excited you got.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. Oh I knew it would do well but two pots of water thrilled me!
Thank you for the videos Dave
You are very welcome my friend
I dig the way you make all the wood equal this is the first time I have have seen this done
very scientific mister. 🤠 FAIR FUEL GREAT IDEA
Lol, I like that term fair fuel! I may use that. Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching David
Thank you so much for sharing us this video! 👍
Thanks for watching my friend!
Love this video , great job Dave.
Thanks Darlene! I'm glad you liked it
Dave you rock! Nice comparisons.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it
I remember the volcano. Had to go back and watch that video. You sitting it on an axe and lighting it with alcohol soaked bits of wood took me back. But yeah awesome test. I think efficient uses of fuel is an important aspect of camping/bushcraft in general. Only carry or harvest what you need to get the job done. Dont get me wrong i love me a big fire and sitting around the "bush television" is one of my favourite things. But a big fire is a treat.
That's very cool you remembered I used that Swiss Volcano in that swamp! I had a very fun trip there. Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching Brett
What a great test! Thanks Dave. I’m very impressed with the bush stove! And what a great starter you showed us! Amazing!
I'm glad you liked it Marci, that stove is mind blowing! Thanks for watching
Great subject and presentation as always David.
Thanks Donnie! I'm glad you liked it
Fun adventure! ! Enjoyed it !!
Thanks, Im glad you liked it!
Very interesting results.
Thank you.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it
Great video on these stoves . It really helps people when picking up one for camping. Thanks
Thanks Jessie, I'm glad you liked it
Nice video Dave thanks! These types of stoves are great. I use a similar concept, DIY hobo stove style using an IKEA Utensil holder (Copied the design from Mark Young here on youtube, he has several videos on it). Perfect small fire to brew coffee. Thats the only thing I've tried anyway.
Thanks Andy, Im glad you liked it. Ive got one of them SS IKEA holders but never got around to building mine. Thanks for watching
Dave, I get so, so, so many great ideas from you, and I use them too.
Fantastic to hear that!
THANK YOU - it will be interesting to compare the stove to aswedish torch instead of the grill - have awonderful weekend Dave Dear friend 🌲🌲🌲
Ah, now that would be an interesting test! Thanks for watching Ofer
Interesting test Dave. Thanks
Thanks Quinn, I'm glad you liked it brother
Another excellent demonstration. Awesome video
Thanks Mathew! I'm glad you liked it
Nice video Dave big thanks see you in your next one good job
Thanks Dave, Im glad you liked it. Thanks for watching
Apparently, self contained fire is very beneficial.
Great test thanks for sharing.
Absolutely! I'm glad you liked it and thanks for watching
Very interesting. Thanks for this.
Thanks for watching Rory
Well.. that's something. Pretty cool test brother.
Thanks for the video
It blew my mind! Im glad you liked it. Thanks for watching Brother Mark
Hej Dave, thank you for showing your "experiments" under real conditions -- and the FUN you have to do your outdoor "adventures". Let us keep enjoy our live, Greetings, Michael
You are very welcome Michael and we are glad you liked it Brother!
Absolutely great, we learned something along with you Dave. Going to find one of those gasifiers. Thanks for a great video.
I'm glad you liked it Sharon and thanks for watching!
Southern, I like it, I'm southern proud, than why I like your channel
Thank you Harold!
Wow! What a great test Dave. Thanks for demonstration. I might have to pick one up.
I'm glad you liked it Scott and thanks for watching brother!
Great ideas.
Great videos.
Good, Fair Test
Thanks Jerome! I'm glad you liked it all Brother
Great test! It was a great comparison between the gassifier stove & open flame. Thanks!
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it
That's really cool! Great to know and I will absolutely use all of these tips .
I'm glad you liked it Amy and thanks for watching
Another Friday and another great visit. Real world experiences with gear are one of the best ways for people to make informed decisions. Not just the controlled test for boiling , but identifying pack ability, pot choice and fuel consumption. Thanks for the lesson and the visit.
Thanks Tyler, I'm glad you liked it. You're so right, all those factors should help one decide what you need to carry. Take care and thanks for watching
Cracking result, a real eye opener, efficient use of wood, thanks for taking the time to do this comparison David 👍😎
Thanks Mak! I'm glad you liked it my friend
Hi Dave. Another interesting video. TFS.
Thanks Patty, Im glad you liked it. Thanks for watching
Love the test, thank you brother.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it brother!
Great test and video!
Im glad you liked it. Thanks for watching Frederick!
GREAT JOB. Thank You. As an Armchair Quarterback, I thought the focused heat on the FourDog would boil faster and the flame is closer. Thanks for doing this Dave. Saved me the trouble, HA. .
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. I was surprised too but I guess since it was 24 ounces it too awhile to boil? Thanks for watching my friend
Awesome video!
Thank you Garland!
I wish I had more time to watch all your videos!! I’ll get all in somehow 🤗
Watch when ever you Anthony and I appreciate the views and comments brother!
Great comparison video Dave , this was interesting , thanks for sharing , God bless !
Thanks. I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for watching and may God bless you too Michael!
I like my little wood gasifier stove....I us it for a camping stove, and a emergency truck stove....
I made mine from a small paint can and a soup can ( watched a diy build UA-cam video )
I modified mine a little by puting three 1 1/2 inch steel L brackets on the top to hold the pot up about a inch from the lip... Works great!
And I am cheap... Stores charge to much! Lol
Great video... I will be using wax paper for my firestarter..
Sounds like a good stove! I'm wanting to make a larger version myself. I'm glad you liked the video and thanks for watching Charles
Old Mors Kochanski would have reminded you that the pot boils water a lot faster when the lid is on the pot. Love your videos Dave!
Yep, it definitely boils faster that way. I left them off for this test because I wanted to know exactly when it was starting to boil. Thanks for watching Harry
I have 3 of those 4 dog stoves that I've had for years you are the only person I have come across that have had one. As for starting a fire I use something I have seen you talk about and that is cutting a piece of fat wood log and then drilling holes and saving the dust in a tin for later and the log with holes I put in the bottom of stove add wood stuff steel wool and use my fero rod. It works well. N Joy
Sometimes I think these 4 dog stoves didn't sell well because they are so weird looking. They certainly do work amazing. That fantastic you use fatwood in that way! Thanks for watching my friend
I enjoyed watching my friend. Have a great weekend. Tennessee
Fantastic to hear that Jeff and you have a great weekend too!
Thank you for all your vids. I love watching how you have made or customised your gear to add/increase its usability. You are my new favourite bushcraft youtuber!! 😁🤟
You are very welcome Justin and I'm glad you like the videos so much!
I always enjoy the comparison videos and i definitely like gasifier stoves. I also like the ikea style stoves.. great video my friend!
Thanks, Im glad you liked it. I have an IKEA pot, I just havent used it yet. Thanks for watching Brother
Great video. Thanks for the testing an showing what the different types will do. Also thanks for the other idea on using cotton balls. Never thought about wax paper before.
Thanks Matt! I'm glad you liked it brother
Thanks 👍 Dave good job 👍
Thanks for watching Dave
As is always the open fire is less efficient than the contained fire ,I had not seen the whirlwind fire before looks good . Personally I have never used any of the portable stoves only open fire only in snow also not a problem for some 65 years now but looks like that has come to an end now with the misses dementia .The one thing I do is scratch out or dig a hole about 8 to 12 inch deep and try and block the breeze with rocks or wood wind blind. Great video as always Dave . Happy trails
Im pretty much the same way, always an open ground fire kinda guy. A lot of my exceptions tho have been in swamps, wetlands or under tarps in rains. I usually have some kinda stove on a kayak trip., Im glad you liked it. Thanks for watching Mike
@@Reallybigmonkey1 Here in California and especially in the /Sierras we just don't run into swamp lands much just GRANITE boulders and hard ground to say the least .Most our trips are also above timber line so we also do the wood carrying Mule thing
Good video David, I see you are a big collector, that's cool my friend. I to am a collector,, lots of military stuff , cast iron etc.... Thank you Frank from montana.....
Thanks Frank, I'm glad you liked it brother. I guess I'm a collector of everything because there's pretty much nothing I only own one of!
Good test i feel , great little stove
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it
Great experiment Dave. I’m keeping my eye out for that Swiss Volcano stove. That’s a great tip with the wax paper, gonna add that to my tool box. Enjoyed this video. I really enjoyed your reaction too.
Thanks Alan, I'm glad you liked it brother. Definitely get a Swiss Volcano if you can! Thanks for watching
the efficiency is amazing !
It blows my mind!
A good comparison of the two methods. I remember your Volcano stove in the swamp, loved that one. I've had a Gasifier, that sucker worked great. Y'all stay safe.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. I had a very fun trip in that swamp with that stove. You have a great memory for recalling that! Y'all take care and thanks for watching
That whistle is blowing hard there. Yup, Johnny Cash. Staying out of Fullsom Jail is a good idea too.
Lol! Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching Mark
Great show
Thank you Kristie!
Excellent! I love wood stoves and have a few. The folding firebox type as well as the smaller version, but my favourite is the gasifier. It's a little different from the one in your test, but does exactly the same thing. It burns for about an hour on one filling, burns hot, and burns everything. Almost nothing to clean up. It's by far my favourite stove. I use wood cat litter pellets which are excellent. Your wax paper starters are a great idea. I love this sort of video on wood stoves and the like, and this was so in depth. A real cut above the rest. Great stuff! 🔥🔥🔥. Many thanks again. Look forward to seeing you use it in a future video in the field 👍😃
Thanks Spencer! I'm glad you liked it. I tried to be as in depth, fair and as scientific as possible. I'm pretty happy with the results and the gasifier! Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching my friend
Very interesting results. Thanks . TAKE CARE..
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it
@@Reallybigmonkey1 Have a GREAT Sunday ! TAKE CARE..
@@brushbum7508 You too!
Nice test goes to show you Mors was one smart dude
Absolutely! Thanks for watching Jeff
"Play with your gear...?!" @Dave, I can think of no better advice. Certainly, for testing what works or doesn't when developing items for a bug out or get home, or an "I'm lost" survival prep kit, one must do the diligence! But a lot of people who enjoy camp trips could extend their fun by testing, in turn, all the sub-groups of equipment! I always had the most enjoyment out of setting up Dutch ovens on the patio, or in the car-port on rainy days! YUMM...! And the kids liked it too...
Thanks Roy and that sounds good! Thanks for watching brother
Thank you very much I never knew about the wax paper fire starter definitely gonna use it warmer weather is coming to Pennsylvania, take care an keep videos coming love them.
You are very welcome Mike and I'm glad you liked that trick! Thanks for watching
I've got one of the after-market Snow Peak lids that Four Dogs makes, effectively turning my coffee mug into a mini boiling pot, ideal for backpacking. Grateful that he makes em!
Very cool to hear that! Thanks for watching Eric
Another interesting video that was scientific enough to satisfy my curiosity. A lid on the open fire pot may have helped produce a boil. However, bush crafters don't carry see through lids, lol. Open fire vs gasifier stove great subject matter.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. I'm sure leaving the lid on would have helped but I wanted to see exactly when that rolling boil started. Thanks for watching
really good setups
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it
those Mors Pots are awesome. I love mine. The near perfect camp cooker.
Oh I agree! Thanks for watching
Hello Dave, great video as usual. I have found your work most entertaining and informative for years now. Thank you very much. You have been a wealth of information. I learn something each and every time. i have gotten to know you. Keep up the great work. Regards, Loosearrow
Hello Lee! Im glad you liked it and all the other stuff Ive done. Thanks for watching
@@Reallybigmonkey1 You are most welcome. It was even greater that you take the time to respond to in person. Keep up the great work. I know you must be busy and the professional product you have produced is most appreciated. Pass it on like your mentors had done. Regards
That type of cooking in the bush is very good and cost affective for the camper which also saves on weight not carrying any gasbottles !
Absolutely! And fir in an area where wood is scarce. Thanks for watching Gunter
Very good experiment. As a chemist, I’m impressed by your attention to experimental detail. Always enjoy your work. Best!
Fantastic to hear that Gary! And thanks for watching my friend
I wonder if the water would have boiled sooner if you had put lids on the pots. I learn something in every single video. You are so interesting.
Yes, if definitely would have boiled quicker. I left the lids off so I could visually see the exact moment of boiling. I'm glad you like the videos and thanks for watching my friend
I didn't think there would be much of a difference, but then again I've never used a stove. Great comparison! Will have to think about adding a stove to the kit! 😀 Like the starter idea. Simple and easy. Thanks for the video! Always learn something!
I'm normally a ground fire kinda guy but in certain circumstances a stove is very useful. As shown in this video tho, a gasifier is incredible! Thanks for watching Paul
Thanks David; I have the smallest Four Dog Bush Cooker and find that the burn chamber is just too small to get two cups of water to boil on one wood filling. I have to add twigs and blow on it to get a boil. I think the larger Bush Cookers are a bit more effective because of the larger burn chamber. Great fun video!
Thanks for the info. I've never used the small one so I didn't know that. I'm glad you liked the video and thanks for watching