How Toy Story 4 Destroyed Everything - Part 4 | The Idiotic Rescue Plan & Gabby Gabby's Villiany
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- Toy Story is a franchise more intrinsically linked to my heart than any other piece of art on this planet, and Toy Story 4 mercilessly eviscerated everything about it that I loved from plot, to characters, to themes and messaging.
And now, after years of teasing, it's finally time for me to explain why.
Time Stamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:36 - Why are all the original toys stuck in an RV?
01:37 - Jessie Pops the Tire
06:06 - The Logistics of the Antique Store & Bo's Plan of Attack
08:41 - Buzz Abandons Woody
09:08 - Bonnie Arrives at the Antique Store
10:11 - "Woody's Useless" & The Dummy Chase
13:18 - Bo Chastises Woody & Ducky and Bunny's Murderous Intent
15:43 - Entering the Pinball Machine
17:33 - Meeting Duke Caboom
22:22 - Requesting Duke's Help & Woody is Demeaned Again
25:35 - How did Buzz retrieve the key?
26:38 - Preparing the Jump & What is the point of this plan?
28:44 - The Battle for Forky
40:48 - "Don't Worry; Bonnie's Backpack is Inside!"
42:34 - "Bonnie doesn't need Forky, Woody needs Bonnie"
45:46 - Buzz Abandons Woody, but this time it's much worse
47:03 - Can the directors justify Buzz's assassination?
48:38 - Gabby Gabby's Big Scene
56:47 - The Flat Tire is Fixed & "Uh...your backpack is in the antique store. LET'S GO!"
1:04:20 - "Woody only cares about himself!"
1:07:24 - Gabby Gabby's "Happily Ever After"
1:10:42 - Woody and Bo Give Gabby a Pep Talk
1:11:59 - Outro
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Toy Story 4 is a 2019 American computer-animated comedy film produced by Pixar Animation Studios and released by Walt Disney Pictures. It is the fourth and final installment in Pixar's Toy Story series and the sequel to Toy Story 3 (2010). It was directed by Josh Cooley (in his feature directorial debut) from a screenplay by Andrew Stanton and Stephany Folsom; the three also conceived the story alongside John Lasseter, Rashida Jones, Will McCormack, Valerie LaPointe, and Martin Hynes. Tom Hanks, Tim Allen, Annie Potts, Joan Cusack, Don Rickles (via archive recordings), Wallace Shawn, John Ratzenberger, Estelle Harris, Jeff Pidgeon, Bonnie Hunt, Jeff Garlin, Kristen Schaal and Timothy Dalton reprise their character roles from the first three films. Blake Clark, who replaced the late Jim Varney in Toy Story 3, returns. They are joined by Tony Hale, Keegan-Michael Key, Jordan Peele, Christina Hendricks, Keanu Reeves, and Ally Maki, who voice the new characters introduced in this film.
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Question: If you were held at gunpoint and asked to write Toy Story 5, what would you do to try to fix what this film broke?
Here's the thing, I genuinely don't think I could fix it all. It breaks so many fundamental things that I genuinely think it might be impossible to fix everything. But if I had to give it my all to fix it, here's what I'd do:
-Very early on in the movie, I'd have a quick shot where we see the toys fixing up Jessie's voicebox - or maybe she came back from getting it properly repaired because Bonnie told her parents it needed to be fixed. I'd do this because Wheezy had trouble breathing properly in Toy Story 2, so making it such that Jessie's voicebox was of a decaying state would not only retcon it so that her hyperventilation in the closet at the beginning of Toy Story 4 was because of a mechanical malfunction rather than her phobia, but it would also retcon it so that her reluctance to join Buzz on the adventure was because she wasn't physically capable of doing so rather than suddenly losing her adventurous spirit.
-Fixing Buzz is significantly harder because they annihilated his intelligence. The only way to justify this is by saying that he had a momentary blip of insanity, which is really lame and lazy but it might just be necessary evil - ala Phoenix's reversion in Dual Destinies - to get Buzz back on track. I might be able to mitigate it somewhat by explaining that Buzz's batteries were running out throughout Toy Story 4, thus causing him to not think clearly. Is it weak? Yes. Is it lame? Yes. But I have to do something to explain Buzz's stupidity and get him back to the intelligent person he used to be, and that's the best I got right now.
-I think fixing the worldbuilding may actually be impossible. In making this series, I've thought about every conceivable explanation that could try to justify Fork-face's sentience, and none of them hold up at all. I literally do not know what to do to explain how he's alive without literally having the god of all toys descend down from above and deliver a monologue about it - which is obviously absurd and something we can't do - or without turning Toy Story into a horror universe - ala, every inanimate object is actually alive but can't express themselves at all so they're just eternally frozen. Honestly, I think the only thing that works is that I'd have to definitively form a bridge between Toy Story and Soul and have it be that one of the souls inhabited Fork-face. That's the best I can do.
-And now for the big one: how to fix Woody's character. Obviously, he has to get back to Bonnie's room by the end of the movie and he has to quickly realize what he did wrong. We have a two-part problem to fix here; how to make Woody _want_ to go back, and how to physically get the toys to where Woody is so they can bring him home when they have no idea where he is. So, here's my proposition:
1. I'd have a montage at the beginning of the movie Shrek 2-style where Woody and Bo's relationship starts off like newlyweds - because I'm forced to work with Toy Story 4's bullshit ending - with happy-go-lucky music, but the further into the montage we get the darker the music gets and the more frustrated Woody and Bo start to get with each other. The more that Bo acts condescending to him, I would have Woody start to realize the terrible, horrible mistake he made, and that now he's stuck in the middle of nowhere, where the road looks rough ahead and he's miles and miles from his nice, warm bed. He can't leave Bo because he doesn't know how to get home and it's his only source of shelter, making him think he may be stuck with her for the rest of his life and will never see Buzz, Jessie, or Bonnie ever again. I may even have a shot that mirrors Toy Story 2 where he looks at the bottom of his boot longingly. Which brings us to...
2. Andy sends an email, or letter, or just straight-up calls Bonnie's family to let them know he's coming home from college to visit and he says - very tongue-in-cheek - in the email or letter or phone call that he "hopes Bonnie's been taking good care of Woody for me ;)" which then causes her to realize that she can't find Woody anywhere in her toy collection, and Andy's coming home from college in just one week. Now the toys have a ticking clock and critically important motivation to go find Woody and bring him home.
3. As for the actual specifics of the adventure, I'd need more time to work them out. But generally speaking, I'd get all the original toys involved - not any of the toys from Bonnie's room - meaning Buzz, Jessie, Bullseye, the little green aliens, Rex, Hamm, Slinky and the Potato Heads. I'd obviously need to figure out a way to get Bonnie out of the house for a week - maybe her parents drive her around looking for a new Woody doll to try to fool Andy, or they're driving around to places they've visited recently to try to find him, or maybe they're going on another vacation, or something; we can workshop that later. The important thing is they need to be out of the house so they don't notice the toys have gone to find Woody. Now, for the plan to find Woody, I'd probably have them research the carnival they visited in Toy Story 4 and figure out the placed around the country it's been to and try to retrace their steps - maybe you could even have Bonnie and her family fly across the country to check these locations thus allowing the toys to stow away.
4. Most important, I'd make Bo the villain, and I'd do it in the same vein as what Josh Cooley tried to do with Gabby Gabby. I'd make her determined to keep Woody from reuniting with Bonnie and her friends and have her be the villain that presents the obstacles the toys have to overcome; it would add personal stakes to the story being a toy they're very familiar with. The big reveal would be that the reason she doesn't want Woody to go is because she's been lonely all out on her one as a lost toy - which would actually properly tie in with that shot where Bo is clearly burying her emotions while Woody is telling Weeble Wobble about her and Molly - and that she doesn't want to go back to being alone again, and then the toys would either bring her home to Bonnie with them or help her find her own kid - which was the original ending of Toy Story 4 before Josh Cooley fucked everything up. I'd do the "villain with a sad story" that Gabby Gabby was supposed to be but actually do it well. Then we'd bring Woody back to Bonnie's room in time for Andy to come home and visit, and everyone lives happily ever after and the status quo is reverted back to how it was at the end of Toy Story 3.
But, to be honest, the easiest way to fix all of this would be if Toy Story 5 opened with the ending of Toy Story 4, followed by an alarm clock as Bonnie wakes up from a dream. I would nuke the entire film and start from scratch. But if I have to work with what Josh Cooley crapped out, then those would be my fixes.
@@GamingMagic13 You understand this franchise better than the people who made the freaking movie do.
@@falconheavy0533 That’s honestly the biggest compliment I could possibly receive
@@GamingMagic13 Yeah, while the "It was all a dream" is one of the worst retcon cliches in hollywood... i think its realistically the only way to fix what Toy Story 4 broke.,,
@@GamingMagic13 there's this UA-camr named BanditIncorporated (I'll have to double check the name) who made a couple "What it should've been" videos for the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy & Avengers Age of Ultron back in the day. In the future if you're uo to it, you should try and do a What Toy Story 4 Should've Been series.
It’s crazy how they wrote a female character so poorly after having inherited one that they underutilized. Jesse is a great, strong female character and it was achieved without making the other characters incompetent.
Yet with Bo Peep they couldn’t write her as strong without completely dumbing down the others. It’s a perfect show of “what not to do” when writing what is supposed to be a strong character
Bo peep is a “strong female character” in the same vein as f*cking Capitain Marvel and Mulan live action, putting down the male to show off how smart and strong and flawless she is 🙄
@@josefagomezschmeisser8356 Don't forget Rey from star wars
Seriously though. You can be a “strong independent women” without being a complete b*tch. Pixar did it with Jesse really well, strong, independent, and she still has a love interest without sacrificing any part of her character. Like seriously it isn’t that hard. It’s the same principal as making a male character, I can’t believe big companies have this difficult of a time with it
Like WHY did they turn bo peep into a bitch?
@@bigbadgammagnome
Well I disagree with people blaming women for these poorly written characters, that's not the case at all from what I've seen the blame is on the writers and their idiocy also men writing the characters doesn't make them bad, I've seen female writers do the same exact thing it's a problem with Hollywood because me a male is Capable of writing way better characters then any of these guys at once because I'm not trying to appease a certain group of people on Twitter.
I’ve seen parents complain about the moral of Woody giving Gabby his voice box. It’s a really toxic moral. “Just tell a sad back story, and get what you want without any consequences.” This is Caillou levels of toxic moral teaching.
Would Disney have said that altering your body isn’t a path to happiness?
THIS. That was exactly what bothered me after watching the movie for the first time as well. It sends a teeeerrible message to kids and practically shows how it's fine to be an a-hole because doing bad things is the only way to make ur dreams come true @_@
You’re right, it is the kind of toxic moral. That’s probably why the film pissed me off tbh
Wdym with "Caillou levels of toxic l"? Asking out of curiosity...i really don't remember it having bad moral teachings
@@juanlucas9898 Caillou would constantly throw tantrums and never get punished for it. He even pinched his baby sister and never got punished.
To be fair, Sid was genuinely more excusable than Gabby. He didn’t know they were alive, so in his mind, he’s just a kid using inanimate objects as an outlet for some dark stories he has in his head. At worst, he scared his sibling a bit.
Gabby knows what she’s doing. She just doesn’t care about the well-being of other toys.
He highlights this point. Finish the video first before you comment.....
Gaby: I just need you to help me, I only need to RIP OUT YOUR VOICEBOX (equivalent of organs) to replace my defective one, I don't really care if you d**.
Woody: Uh...I will d**? Okay.
Me: Okay, what the heck, this is a movie made for kids! 😰
@@AllyJ1141 Not as directly or thoroughly as I did. Thank you for being condescending for no reason, though.
Not to mention he lists Sid as a hypothetical sympathetic scenario in a sarcastic way to highlight how bad Gabby is. My point was that, through the right lens, he genuinely could be seen as just a kid playing with toys in a creative way. Sid, from a human in this world’s point of view, isn’t actually a villain. In other words, his hypothetical scenario has more validity to it than he gave it credit for.
Pay attention before you comment 😊
@@robertlauncher Again. Watch these videos as many times as needed. I think you missed out. He says exactly what you said plus more...
And to the second comment; Sure bud heheh
Man this analysis makes me realize Woody ended up probably in a toxic relationship, alienated from all his friends.
she even looks like she's modelled after Amber Heard lmao
@@zekun4741 now I can’t unsee this
#freewoody
Considering the people behind this, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Murder suicide written all over it
It’s interesting to hear the director talk about how that moment she approached Woody in the light was meant to be honest and sweet because in theaters, I viewed it as manipulation.
Me too, I found it interesting to see in a kids movie cuz I've seen this tactic in tons of crime shows, they really actually tried it and thought it would be endearing
Just wow
Same here. Since this had extremely poor writing I was easily able to tell that Gabby was going to be a reverse twist villain but I never knew how. Seeing how expertly Pixar has been able to write twist villains I was sure they would pull it off neatly. But no. When Gabby started talking to woody about his stupid as shit insecurities, I felt manipulated and even cheated. Nothing seemed right here and nothing made sense at all. She persuaded Woody in the most evil manner possible and it just came off as manipulative.
@@emperorzizen1081 and then people say that she wasn’t actually a villain. Bullshit
So did I, I remember when Jessie emotionally multiplied Woody.EXE and I was just so mad at her for doing that. I knew she was trying to get Woody.EXE to betray me all along but Jessie had no chance since Woody.EXE would never abandon me
@@emperorzizen1081 this GameMagic13 is lying because toy story 4 didnt detroy everything
Couldn't buzz have easily distracted the cat with his LAZER, HIS LAZER POINTER,
I didn't even think of that; that's an even easier solution.
*Laser
You mean the laser, that’s a light bulb?
@@agentcoxack7368 that blinks
Shhhhh....We wouldn't have m the clamix part then silly billy...
They didn't create a 4th movie, they just created a fan fiction.
Edit: A bad fan fiction.
"What would happen if toy story had a 4th film that runs the 3rd film's ending and didnt have don rickles voicing him but instead unused promotional voice lines he did previously" is what this film is.
Not even fan fiction writers would want this imo
Fan fiction implies a fan. What Disney does is produce hate fiction.
That’s what I was thinking over and over… “what is this fanfiction???”
@@Lizuma this is what happened when you get up a 2 am running on 5 cups of cheap instant coffee loaded with sugar and RUSH out a 10 page fanfiction
but you're so high on sugar you don think to check it and UPLOAD your first draft with typos, cringe authors notes, and sections you meant to delete
Man, I'm so happy Toy Story 3 is the last Toy Story film. I do kind of wish Disney and Pixar would make a 4th film, but I'm good with 3 being the ending to the series.
I can already see where this comment is going
sure
@Dark Not what I meant, what I mean is that I understand what this comment is talking about
@Dark Oh whoops my bad
They had some made for TV specials though, it’s not the end of our favorite characters. There’s no need for a new movie when the story was so well concluded. Pixar showed why we love them when they ended the series.
You know what else sucks about Duke Kaboom's writing? The fact that he was abandoned for not doing the cool things the commercial showed him doing could have made him a really interesting parallel to Buzz Lightyear, much in the same way that Lotso is to Woody.
NOT A FLYING TOY
He had a lot of potential that was wasted and pushed aside imo. If he was one of the only new toys his arc could've gotten the mature and respectful writing that it deserved.
You just made me hate this movie more
*NOT A RACING TOY* - FUCK. They coulda done that.
Honestly, Duke was possibly the biggest example of missed potential because conceptually, a toy that isn't as good as it's advertised sounds like a natural progression for a Toy Story character, especially given how I had some of those kinds of toys as a kid myself
Another thing about Buzz's "Your backpack is in the antique store" line: We know that toys with voice-boxes can throw their real voice to sound like their recording, like Woody did to Sid before coming to life proper ("We toys can see eeeeverything"), so Buzz not only could do the same thing, stupid though it would have been, but it also defeats the entire purpose of Gabby Gabby needing Woody's voice-box, and thus, the main reason for her to hold Forky hostage, and thus, the main conflict of the movie.
I didn’t even think about that. Though I can’t say it invalidates Gabby’s motives since I’m pretty sure the only reason Woody is able to throw his voice in the first movie is because he actually has a functional voice box. So I imagine Gabby wouldn’t be able to do that.
@@GamingMagic13 This is all the more reason that her broken voice box should have affected her normal speech and/or breathing like Wheezy
@@GamingMagic13 I'm unsure because I didn't make the comment (obviously), but I think the point was that if Bonnie didn't find Buzz's real voice strange, and if talking normally is something toys are now just allowed to do, Gabby could've just spoken to Harmony without needing a voice box. If not, sorry for misunderstanding/misrepresenting the comment.
@@cranberryrosebud I wouldn’t have been surprised if that was the level these writers stooped to.
As I probably commented before: I was genuinely surprised Woody wasn't rendered mute after becoming an organ donor.
Darn this movie..... Honestly this makes me appreciate the original trilogy even more for the masterpiece it was. I just consider this movie non canon.
That's the one good thing this movie did; it made me realize how much I cared about the characters from those original three glorious movies.
Same.
It must gave Bern a double edged sword that the wildly praised toy story 3 came at the start of the 2010s and then this uneeded 4th entry comes in the last year of the 2010's
The same can be said for Ralph Breaks the Internet. Someone might dislike the original, but the sequel sure would make them change their mind in a split second.
Ralph Breaks the Internet was an unofficial cheapquel (with an higher budget and a theatrical release) for Wreck-it-Ralph while Toy Story 4 was one for the original trilogy.
Both those movies:
1) Retconned their characters;
2) Betrayed all the presiously-established worldbuilding;
3) Completely missed the whole point of having a movie about toys or videogames (along with what they can represent in such movies);
4) Seriously downgraded some of their characters' intelligence in order to make the "new ones" stand out;
5) Gave an awkwardly-delivered and somehow even broken message about "learning to leave stuff behind and just let things go";
6) Had a character very close to the protagonist act and think like the villain of the previous movie... and showed that as a positive viewpoint on the protagonist's journey and development (RBTI's Vanellope = Turbo - TS4's Bo = Lotso/Stinky Pete)
Disney-Pixar seriously shocked me with those two movies. Such a dork couple.
Of course it's non canon.
Because this movie really didn't care about the character's.
Buzz has been reduced to that one episode of spongebob when spongebob just pulls a string and listens to it.
"ALL HAIL THE MAGIC CONCH!"
One of my students constantly quotes that episode. And he still makes more sense than Buzz.
Buzz: oh magic voice box, what must i do to save the day
Voice box: nothing
Buzz: the voice box has spoken
*sits down and does nothing*
Disney is physically unable to commit to a female villain. They always have to redeem them. Except back in the old days when we had good female villains like Malificant and Cinderella's step mother. The only female villain they committed to in recent years that I can think of is the sheep in Zootopia, but that villain was handled so poorly.
I think Tangled's villain was pretty good...
@@Lizuma Yeah Rapunzel's "Mom" Is a literal menace and a frightening villainess with no redeeming qualities which is honestly perfect.
Stems in part from modern western thinking that "women simply can't be evil". Which of course is wrong. All Humans are capable of evil. Disney tried to make Cruela DeVille from the Dalmatian movies into a misunderstood character for crying out loud
@@Lizuma And Zira, who only came out wroind 25 years ago.
This is a Pixar film, not a Disney animation. The fact that Disney owns Pixar means j*ck sh*t, since they aren't the same. You id**ts are litearlly talking about two different studios and confusing them
50:56 Sid is definitely the least bad of all these villains. He was just a bratty kid who destroyed toys. He didn't know that he was torturing sentient beings and he probably spend the rest of his life living In fear or regret.
If it was just his toys, you might have a point. The thing is, he also destroyed his sister's toys without any care for her feelings at all. Obviously we can't call him malicious for destroying his toys since he doesn't know they're alive, but we _can_ call him malicious for treating his sister the way that he does.
That said, yes; when compared to the things Stinky Pete and Lotso did - characters who were _aware_ that toys are alive being toys themselves - he pales in comparison.
Sid: Eternally traumatized after seeing toys come to life
Stinky Pete: Doomed to being a little girl's painting canvas
Lotso: Strapped to a filthy garbage truck for the rest of time
Gabby: Given Woody's voicebox AND helped to find her own child and she was *simply misunderstood the whole time*
@@silverscorpio24 i felt kind of bad for lotso
@@hannahlynn8028 I would except he left Woody and Co. to die after they saved his life
@@GamingMagic13 Sid is the garbage man in Toy Story 3. They make good money and benefits. Hell, he’s listening to music and making the best of his job. Seems like things worked out alright for Sid.
honestly i think my favorite thing about this series (beyond the validation that comes with finally seeing someone else who hates this fucking movie) is the editing. it's simple, quick, efficient, and shows exactly what you need to display your point. and it wastes no time at all. so many content creators have such flashy and distracting editing with absolutely no substance whatsoever and it's frustrating as hell.
You know, I REALLY hate how they handle the women in this story.
I can't help but notice that out of all the major antagonists in Toy Story, the only one who isn't given their just desserts is also the only female villain. It could be just me, but I can't help but notice female villains (in a lot of media, not just this movie) being treated with kid gloves instead of being rightly punished for their terrible actions. Normally I wouldn't point it out and assume it was just a coincidence, but they also do a very similar thing with Bo Peep, the only difference being that she isn't painted as a villain.
Bo Peep continually treats Woody like dirt. She verbally degrades him, has zero care for his wants/needs, and is just horrible to him throughout (as well as several others around her). If the roles were reversed and it was Woody treating Bo Peep that way, it would IMMEDIATELY be called out by most people as the abuse that it is. However, when Bo does it to Woody, she's a "strong independent girlboss," and it is even played for comedy.
It happens a lot with the side characters, too - Dolly becomes a degrading, self-righteous prick, but it's okay because she's just a "strong leader." Meanwhile, characters like Jesse (a girl who's NOT a complete jerk, and who's been way too prominent in the series for them to get away with changing her into one like they did with Dolly/Bo Peep) are just completely sidelined.
I hate to cry "sexism," but this portrayal of terrible girls seriously bothers me. Gabby Gabby is a manipulative, selfish person who takes Forky hostage to force Woody to give up what is essentially his organ. Bo Peep is an emotionally abusive person who degrades the person she "loves" and is constantly putting him down. Neither work to better themselves, or even really apologize to the people they hurt. Despite this, Gabby Gabby is handed a happy ending on a sliver platter, and Bo Peep gets the guy and is treated as Woody's true love. Their actions aren't treated with the gravity they deserve in the slightest.
Maybe I'm looking too much into it, but I really hate the idea that little kids are being shown a relationship like Bo and Woody's and told that it's an ideal. Little girls are told the only way to be a strong woman is to be rude and degrading, and that it's okay or even funny. Little boys are told that it's okay for women to treat them that way, and it gives me the same vibes as the phrase "He only hits you because he likes you." It's gross.
I'd also be really curious to know if Gabby Gabby's story would've changed if she was a boy instead.
The because the increasingly insane and declining west believes women can't truly be evil. And when they act bad it's not their fault.
Welcome to modern Hollywood/the left in general, where women are only allowed to be perfect, redeemable, strong, competent, and/or otherwise in the right. No matter what.
Yeah. And you know, if Buzz and Jessie were with Woody and Bo Peep the whole time, they'd tell Bo off for treating Woody very badly for no reason.
@@ThomasLover-fr8nh
My Jessie treats my 2009 Woody like shit! She even accuses Woody of Queen Elizabeth’s death! Aghhhh me and Woody.EXE watched angrily as my 2009 Woody gets falsely accused for something HE NEVER FREAKING DID
I know that feeling with female villains getting handed redemption without doing anything to earn it in animated films. It’s the problem I had with the 2019 animated Addams Family film where the main villain is easily forgiven and redeemed despite all of her heinous actions throughout the movie proving that she doesn’t deserve either forgiveness or redemption.
Watching Woody get his voice box ripped out is legitimately upsetting.
It legitimately scared me! Oh & HEARING his voice box getting ripped out literally caused me to have a panic attack.
This movie is made for kids...I'm an adult. Imagine how kids must've felt during those scenes.
Yea I see Gabby as a selfish ass character who doesn’t deserve nothing because it felt so forced how she made woody give up a voice box damn it
With Woody being one of the best characters in the trilogy I consider actually canon, and his voice box being something considerable I remembered, that part definitely was upsetting
@@amandamakin1542 you are a baby. oh wait youre female that explains it
I'm in my late 20's and I cried because I was so mad and upset. The only thing that came to my mind was "organ harvesting".
A movie called penguins of Madagascar has a lot of convenience and luck throughout the beginning of the movie especially the first chase scene but the whole gag is that the penguins think their military personal of something and the characters even acknowledge the level of luck they have which is what makes it acceptable
It doesn't, actually. But it's played for comedic effect, so it's almost excusable.
This movie now starts to feel manipulating as it purposely leaves out the other toys (who have been with Woody through so many adventures) and tries to make it seem like Bonnie Stopped caring about Woody (even though the movie and toons show otherwise) but Woody having this feeling despite him not being played by Andy for years but still wanted to be there for him when he needs him is so forced.
And I just have to say that Woody's loyalty to his kid as well as his bond with Buzz, Jessie and the other toys should be much stronger than his "relationship" with Bo.
Yeah they basically made Bonnie and Woody's og friends stop caring just for the stupid woody leaving at the end plot works and even then it doesn't work because it goes against Woody's character
Like, what relationship?? They barely meet again and Bo is literally a jerk for most of the movie...
At the end of watching this stupidity I thought that Woody would never do that...
After rewatching 3 i honestly wish andy took woody to college after bonnie in 4 just straight up says "fuck you woody" bc of bad writing. It literally hasnt even been a year since the events of 3. The movie straight up wants you to believe bonnie got bored of woody after a few months and forgets him wtf. What the hell is gonna happen if andy checks in on his toys one day and woody is straight up gone
@@mtj8870
If I was Andy giving my 2009 Woody away, I’d be like “NO!”
I feel stronger with my 2009 Woody and Woody.EXE by my side. I get really angry without them so Woody.EXE jumps into my bag and hide outside college and then I see him again around lunchtime so I can secretly talk with Woody.EXE and my friends always wonder why I ditch em because they know somethings up. Where as my 2009 Woody just stays at home and guards my room all day unless he reunites with my sister
The weird thing is that Pixar managed to create Toy Story TV specials that were respectful towards the original trilogy Three years before TS4
Till disney decided to rape the franchise.
I liked it better when pixar had creative freedom and wasnt harassed by disney to shoe horn in pandering
@@LoneRonin77 and merchandising
@@DoctorPhileasFragg yes
This movie is probably the pilot episode of a new series starring Woody and Bo Beep rescueing lost toys. That's why they had to break the characters, otherwise they couldn't justify the existance of a new series starring only 2 characters of the movies with a new cast.
@@LoneRonin77 toy story 4 is good
The writers really hate Buzz, Woody and Jessy don't they.
Jesse* but yes
Jessie*
They hate Toy Story and wanted to destroy it's universe.
I love Woody and Jessie. I loved Jessie until she multiplied Woody.EXE and he got really angry with her after Jessie accused my 2009 Woody of the Queen’s death and GOD I was so mad. Then Woody.EXE deals with Jessie within seconds and good god he was very powerful
@@nicolelawless9942 one of the most story of all time.
In my eyes, Toy Story 3 is the TRUE canional ending of the Toy Story franchise with a few TV shorts released after. Toy Story 4 is just an official fanfiction, and not even a good fanfiction.
Just like Back to the Future (My favorite movie of all time), Toy Story never needed anything other than the first 3 movies.
54:48 fun fact! She never needed the voice box in the first place. In the first Toy Story we see Woody talk to Sid without talking with his mouth and actually making it sound like it comes from his voice box. So we know toys can do this with their voice. If she was so desperate to get played with. She could just pretend to say a voice line everytime the kid pulls her string. Problem solved.
True, but the reason why Woody can throw his voice like that is because he has a functional voice box to divert the sound through. Gabby doesn't have that, so I don't think she'd be able to get away with doing so.
@@GamingMagic13 OK, fair enough, I digress 👍
Dam,I knew this movie was filled with flaws but not this many.
I know. For me, when I saw this film in theaters, the parts that I hated were when Woody's Voice Box started to rip out and when Woody left his friends to stay with Bo.
Like, they could've just have a couple flaws.
Toy story 4 is basically the Last Jedi of the Toy Story franchise, making the old characters dumb and the new characters Mary Sues
Fact.
Thats disney. Shitty. Pandering. And uncreative
@J N 🤡
@J N That’s probably Lightyear.
@@piperian3962 This age well.
I’m going to pretend Toy Story 4 is a non canon experiment
Toy Story 3 was the true ending and we have the Toy Story Shorts
Don’t.
I'm with you. This shit is terrible.....
@@tailedgates9 it’s not, what has the rise of skywalker done to you all?!?!?!?!
@@korrblank1361 we will and you cannot stop us flog.
@@korrblank1361 this movie is pure 🗑
this director did not ask himself any of the basic questions youre supposed to ask yourself when developing a story seemingly because, well, “it’s just for kids, don’t think about it”
no sir, i will think about it, as you did not
21:00 Eh, I don't think Andy would've gotten a new Woody doll. Remember, Al was so desperate to complete his collection that he was willing to steal Woody. That implies that Woody is a bit harder to find.
The movie also clearly implies that:
A. Woody is the centrepiece to the entire Woody’s Roundup collection. Without Woody, the museum won’t accept the collection, clearly indicating that he is special/extremely rare.
B. Stinky Pete states that they’ve been waiting years waiting for Woody, indicating that Al has been looking for Woody for an extremely long time.
Also, in Toy Story of Terror, Woody ends up selling on fake eBay for $2000, which further emphasises his rarity and value.
Also, even if Andy’s mom managed to find another Woody doll, I don’t think Andy would have had as much attachment to it as the OG Woody because we know OG Woody was an old family toy that probably belonged to his father and was passed down to him and is the *only* thing he has to remember him by.
And also during the time of Lotso’s backstory, his toy line was probably new at the time as we see Daisy get him as a surprise Christmas present (similar to Buzz who was Andy’s surprise birthday present and also came from a recently released toy line during the timeline of the first film) so that could be why it was easier to replace Lotso shortly after Daisy lost the original.
@@bigbangbot-SuperSqank I don’t think the museum wanted Woody *because* he was extremely rare, as opposed to the fact that he is simply the main character of the group and the exhibit would be incomplete without him.
I mean, that's true too. But I still think there's enough in the movies to show that Woody is rare.
I would never replace my 2009 Woody EVER! He was the one who summed Woody.EXE the other day and I was so proud of him. Jessie was really mad about feeling rejected and Woody.EXE laughed about that and so did I. He might be evil sometimes but he really cares about my emotions and my other Woody is literally working tirelessly since the Queens freaking death
How is it possible that you put so much effort and knowledge into your critique videos of this Abomination of a movie and have little views? This review should have more than a thousand views for the amount of facts and criticisms put on display at the Writer's and Director's incompetency of a beloved franchise that changed animation and movie History to be treated like a JOKE and subsequently a spit in the face to not only it's life long fans but its legacy's morals that stood the test of time for 25 YEARS. Anyways I've ranted for long enough and look forward to your next video that you've earned a new subscriber.
Thank you so much for your kind words; given the hundreds of hours that went into crafting this series it really does mean a lot to read these types of comments :)
@@GamingMagic13 No problem, I believe in your talent and its paid off, Also thanks for the Heart ❤😄👍
@J N 🤡
I feel like saying Forkface came to life because when a child is in desperate need for a friend, and they channel that desire towards something they're playing with, it can become sentient, isn't a terrible idea. Works for kids in the audience who may not be able to afford toys, BUT it shouldn't be a weird concept to the toys. They should be very familiar and have seen it happen before.
I also feel like having Bo Peep be fragile would make for a lot more interest when she has work-arounds. Everyone in life has weaknesses, seeing her overcome them by being creative would be more empowering than just making her now good at gymnastics.
If I were to reintroduce Bo Peep, I would see her a lot more broken. Maybe parts of her body are shattered, but hidden until she reveals them. Maybe she feels like a kid would never love her again, and the fact Bonnie can love a spork could mean that Bonnie could love Bo. Woody could show her compassion. At the same time, I wouldn't want her "rescued" by him, I'd want her journey to be along a greater one. Maybe the toys are accidentally left behind on the road trip and Bo agrees to help them back because she's more streetsavvy as a "Lost Toy" for almost a decade. And on that journey she learns to love herself when she is able to help her old friends out, and when she accepts herself she lets herself be accepted by another kid (Bonnie). You could have the whole cast on this roadtrip to get home, hitchhiking and hijinks. Sure, that isn't incredibly original given the series, but the stakes don't have to be *that* high (given that the stakes aren't too high here either, thats not really an issue). Then you have the growth with Bo, since a lot of characters have resolved their individual struggles already. Bo has a whole bunch of ingenuity to survive on the streets as a porcelain and fragile doll, and the last part of her journey is learning to love herself even though she sees herself as "broken". She learns to rely on her friends, but it's only her own self-acceptance and learning that allows her to try and be with a kid again. And you don't need it to be perfect self-acceptance, maybe just the willingness to be "fragile" and let people in. Even a willingness to let Woody love her again because she feels more worthy of love. Boom, metaphor for abuse/self-image issues, that no one can "fix" you but you, and physical imperfections and weaknesses don't make you broken or weak. Great message for kids, maintains Bo's original personality (albeit maybe harsher and fleshed out) and characteristics, and you have a character's journey we haven't seen yet.
I wouldn't say that's the greatest plot in the world, but if the Toy Story family is stable, let them help another toy love themselves again. It's at least not regressing character growth.
Maybe you could even have her losing her sheep and feeling like a failure, and by healing and "leaving them alone", they do come home at the end, wagging their tails behind them.
Like come on, its literally the nursery rhyme. If you want emotional punch, you have it right there.
Edit: upon further thought, maybe the whole story takes place over one night. and it's the whole gang trying to find Forkface. and after running into Bo and she agrees to help them, they keep telling her how great Forkface is. Talking about how sweet and how fun and etc. And when Bo finally sees Forkface she realizes it doesn't matter what you look like. Tying that into the arc I described above. you get a one night fun romp with your favourite toys and an old character who goes through emotional healing from her trauma (or at least put on that road to recovery). and a seedy toy underworld with a Bo who is fragile but clever and jaded sounds a lot more fun, and would offer new environments for the artistic team to play with.
Maybe you could even make it so the rest of the "Lost Toys" are happy with their carefree party life, but they encourage Bo to leave at the end because her heart was never fully in it, that way the rest of the Lost Toys aren't depressing. Now if a little kid loses their toy, they can think they end up happy in a cool underground society. I can't believe the main dude who worked on this actually has a daughter, it feels like he completely doesn't understand kids and underestimates their intelligence. The first movies, although flawed, had heart and internal logic. That's why it maintained its appeal.
Out of the ways I've heard TS4 being rewritten, I have to say that yours is my personal favorite. I really dislike the way they handled Bo in the movie and would have loved if they concluded her arc like they did with Woody, Buzz and Jessie in the previous 3 movies. Something they could have even done to not make us think she was always how she's shown to be in TS4 is completely rewrite the beginning flashback where Andy (or Molly) accidentally plays a bit too roughly with her which ultimately leads to her breaking. It could be her hand, which is already shown to be bandaged, or another small part of her that she conceals (that she could reveal when she and Woody meet again to confirm its actually her). Either way, it causes Andy to be reluctant to play with her (or maybe his mom had already agreed to give her away to a friend and she doesnt let Andy play with her to break her further) and it hurts Bo bc she now believes Andy doesn't want her anymore. We could have a mini montage or moment where playtime occurs as usual but with Bo perched in Molly's room, untouched while Andy plays with the others across from her.
It could lead to a moment with Woody visiting her (giving us a little more on their relationship) and even making her feel better by mirroring the conversation they had in TS2 when Woody was convinced Andy didn't want him when his arm ripped, but with how much Molly needs her and how even though shes fragile and broken, shes still in every way Andy's toy. It's completely shattered when Molly later on agrees to give her away.
It would make a little more sense when she's given away and Woody tries to get her back, she replies with "I'm not Andy's toy" and "it's time for the next kid."
Lamp Life could have given us the little more context we needed which caused her complete character 180, instead of how it is now in them trying to make us believe "she was always like this".
Sorry for rambling, your rewriting of TS4 was just something that I really enjoyed!
This was incredibly well said and I would 100% watch this version of the film.
I love this 💕
You put more thought into this Comment than a $200,000,000 Pixar film. 👌
I fucking hate Gabby Gabby. Even when I saw the film myself in theaters.You literally took the words out of my mouth. She’s a monster, plain and simple. Great review of this awful plot contrived movie. Like you said, it ruined everything.
So do I and my beloved Woody.EXE isn’t anything like her because he literally risks his f***inf life as Jessie’s knife is inches towards me until Woody.EXE charges in to grab the knife off Jessie which he ends up saving my life! I thanked Woody.EXE before he leaves until he turns back to look at me and runs back into my arms. Woody.EXE is f***ing amazing
I agree. I hate Gabby Gabby with a fiery passion.
How I’d fix toy story 4:
I’d scrap fork face completely. After bonnie finished daycare, her parents enrolled her in kindergarten. However, bonnie was scared of going to the new school. Her parents, wanting her to forget about her fear during the summer bought her a toy that is basically a set of twins from idk an imaginary show or something. One of these toys doesn’t want to belong to a kid and keeps trying to run away, taking fork face’s place. The other one wants to be the best toy possible and asks woody for his guidance, and that’s where the voice box/internal voice thing comes in, although it does not play a major role and by the end of the movie the character has learned what an internal voice actually is. The parents also announce that they’re going to visit grandma and her cousin, harmony. Which is why bonnie forgot her backpack at the antique store because she and harmony played there for a couple hours. Annabelle in this version has a need to be perfect in hopes a kid will want to play with her. And although she doesn’t kidnap the runaway toy to lure woody in, she tries and fails to get his voice box and maybe she loses an arm (?) which makes her have to confront her fear of being imperfect twice. After this punishment though maybe she gets a redemption arc, accepts herself and maybe finds a kid or she can just go on to try and repent for the harm she caused. Also Jessie and buzz help woody find the runaway twin while the insecure twin is left in charge and has to learn to be a leader in the B plot. Oh and also if we keep the whole Bo peep reunion, in the end she and the runaway twin go on to be lost toys cause the runaway twin wants to be a toy but not for ONE kid which prevents woody’s character from being assassinated. Also Dollie is still friendly and bonnie’s original toys are still a bunch of thespians. I thought of more but forgot
I would like to watch this version on a cinema
@@Living.b12be2 Toy story 4 is the best
Funny how a UA-cam comment has a better script then productive writers
Never in my entire life has my blood boiled so much when Woody willingly gave his voice box to that EVIL doll! TOY STORY 4 SUCKS!!
Wow. Just when I thought it wasn’t that bad the bar just keeps dropping out. F*ck me
woody was literally physically fucking assaulted by her and her cronies. putting their fucking hands inside of him, then it's framed as noble for him to give himself away because she supposedly needs his body more than he does. as if people aren't violated like that in real life and manipulated about it. a dangerous message to send to children.
I remember ripping a voice box out of my toys that I never played with anymore and gave it to Woody.EXE. I can’t believe I did that
It pisses me off so much. I hate Gabby Gabby with a passion for emotionally manipulating Woody to giving her his voice box.
basically they wanted the girl boss which why Bo is the way she is. When it just makes her a jerk.
It completely goes against her original character too and we already have Jesse who's a strong character
I hate firey personality Bo. Also, Ducky & Bunny are jerks. Why is everyone in Toy Story 4 a jerk?
@@amandamakin1542 Bo and ducky were totally unfunny.
@@amandamakin1542 Including Woody for suddenly abandoning his kid and friends completely out of character for Bo who had been a jerk for most of the movie. Should've called it "Jerk Story".
the worst part is this movie had potential if they just...didn't try so hard to make all the past characters into complete jokes of their old selves.
bo COULD'VE been written exactly how she is, she became a no owner, she ends up enjoying life, and the conflict is although she wants woody to leave with her, she knows woody would NEVER ditch his friends or his kid, while woody wants to be with bo, but obviously refuses. such an easy fix that would allow this movie to work EXACTLY how it is done now, with one difference that doesn't ruin these two as characters and even provides some conflict, as the duo like eachother, but have polar opposite mindsets now.
fix woody so hes not a fucking joke character, he's a leader, not a coward. no toy gets left behind, he goes after forky because forky is bonnies toy, not because he's her "Favorite"
fix forky so hes GENUINELY suicidal, the conflict between the two isn't that forky keeps trying to be thrown in the trash, but rather forky leaves because when woody tries to convince him he's a toy that bonnie likes, forky says "yeah for you, you will always be loved by a kid, but me? im just a bunch of garbage stringed together, and once she gets bored im going back where i belong, im better off alone, you will never understand" woody hearing his mindset, CHOOSES TO LOOK FOR FORKY ALONE TO COMPLENTATE HIS WORDS, buzz offers his help, but woody says he wants time to think for himself for a bit.
buzz...jesus christ. how do you even fix this...don't turn him into a fucking gag machine how about we start with that. buzz decides at first to let woody go alone, told the cast, who all said forky was a bit of a downer and they didn't care, but when buzz sits to think, he remembers "no toy gets left behind" thus buzz goes on his adventure. buzz being confused on where to go next meets a sentient magic 8 ball toy, who offers to give him directions, but its later revealed whenever he's faced with a question he's forced to respond in that manner and was forced to show him directions. so after its all fun and games, buzz realizes he can write down his true thoughts via deduction, and thus, the story gets back on track and he meets up with woody again.
and the finale, forky leaves with bo, where he's with people who care about him, bo is with her gang, and woody reluctantly parts with bo with a final goodbye. woody didn't leave forky in the end, buzz isn't a retard, and woody lives up to his core values.
good lord 5 mins of thinking and i think i just made a better plotline.
BOOM! CLAP CLAP! YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE ROOM TO FIX THE SCRIPT BEFORE THEY WENT INTO PRODUCTION!
Honestly the way they handled sporkie suicidal idealisation (which is what their trying to reference with him throwing himself in the trash) is just so insulting
Honestly they could have been fixed too by just giving spork face a genuine reason to feel this way and have a scene where he treats it seriously or sees other art supplies being trashed and realised within a week bonnie would forget about this plastic fuck since she's only so attached due to her making him herself. So spork bitch distances himself from bonnie and tries to desperately trash himself so he doesn't get attached to ultimately get abandoned like he was intended to
This would not only give better characterization for him, it could give woody good internal conflicts in helping him, treat the subject with more tact by giving him a proper reason with evidence supporting it
This would require someone that doesn't actually hate their audience. I am sure they could have done that plot easily as the commentary track pretty much shows the writter and director are aware of the logic flaws of this movie, except... they don't care. They just hate their audience and wanted to do the same thing Rian Johnson did to Star Wars, give everyone that loves those characters and stories the biggest middle finger ever.
Happy you remembered that Woody is a Leader of Toys.
The Writer's made him stupid for their New Verison Shitty Oc Bo Peep.
I loved and adored the original Bo Peep 😊💕 from the past movies.
@@KyleEvra
My Jessie is this Bo Peep towards my 2009 Woody. We both betray Jessie and go off with Woody.EXE for the things she did to my 2009 Woody ever since the death of Her Majesty the Queen arrrgghh I’m so freaking mad! Jessie deserves my betrayal
The thing I hate the most is how weak they made Woody.
He wouldn't just back away slowly towards a corner holding only a pencil ✏️ as his only self defense.
He would at least stand his Ground.
SERIOUSLY!!! Woody's tackled down (with) many bad guys in the past, ie; Buzz (when he disliked him), Stinky Pete and the Monkey from what I can recall, he at LEAST should've swung his pencil at Gabby and the puppets
They made Woody depressed & it hurts to see that ☹
Thats what i thought after my first time seeing this movie, how Woody wasnt being the character I knew. Really disappointing
@@Lizuma
I remember my 2009 Woody not being his protective self, I asked Woody what was going on and he tells me that Woody.EXE was behind me and then my 2009 Woody redeems himself again after Woody.EXE willingly helps him get his confidence back; then Woody.EXE even helped me
Horseshit.
Love the Phineas and Ferb references, and how you used it as an example of an *infinitely* better media
this entire movie pisses me off, but the thing that i find the most distressing (aside from the ending) is that that zebra had the toy equivalent of guts spilling out of him and everyone's just cool with it??
even ts3 had a spa area where a stuffed elephant was getting fixed, and that was under a tyrannical psycho on a perpetual power trip (yeah, it was in the butterfly room but still).
it also paints bo to look even worse as she clearly knows him and yet makes no effort to make sure he's okay? how is he even okay?? woody lost his arm and freaked tf out over it and others expressed some level of pain over other things so its confirmed that toys feel pain.
dumb thing to get hung up over but i am dying on this hill dammit
Glad to see someone else hates this one as much as I do. It’s garbage plain and simple.
Agreed
I already didn’t like this movie but I didn’t know how much I needed to dislike it.
I didn’t even see this movie but I didn’t know how much I needed to dislike it😟
It could’ve been as simple as Woody saying he couldn’t remember the sheep names because he couldn’t tell the sheep apart because they all look the same or something. Smh
Though they are stuck together constantly in the same relative position, so I don't buy that, either.
Honestly I am looking forward to the finale of the rant of this poor excuse of a movie because I bet that part 5 has the most flaws than every other part of this series
Combined probably
@@AvertAT you’re probably right
Oof, when I saw Bo peep out of nowhere become a action hero I knew something was wrong, but what's worse is how they try to make buzz and Woody dumb compared to Bo it's just laughable, especially since Jessie a actual developed strong character gets completely sidelined.
It's this cringe trend of making the old characters especially the male ones dumb and incompetent to the newer characters, exactly the thing that's been plaguing many franchises at this point where the new female character is introduced in a old franchise and is automatically superior and stronger then everyone, you see it with Rey, captain marvel Halo, The masters of the universe and many many others and it's just tiresome.
52:16 In Sid's defense though, along with not knowing the toys were alive, it's implied he was acting out to get his drunk father's attention. In the scene where Buzz finds out he's a toy, we see the back of a man asleep in a reclining chair with beer cans on the floor. Doesn't change the fact that he was a bully to his sister but I wouldn't put him on the same level as the Prospector and Lotso.
I knew Woody is alive because every time I went back in my bedroom, he’s different and Woody also scares me but I love him so much because Woody cares about my emotional health and is always willing to help
“Your backpack’s in the antique store! Let’s go!”
Killed me 🤣
The plot of this movie is actually insulting. Every Toy Story movie up until now had the stakes rise more and more with each entry.
We go from the toys facing an existential crisis as they realise that their kid, their lifelong companion, doesn't need them anymore. They find a new and exciting life before realising that they had what they wanted in the first place. They then go through a meticulously planned prison break and almost burn in an incinerator before getting to say one last goodbye to their kid. It raises the stakes from 2 before tying the trilogy in a nice little bow.
Then we get 4, which completely undos the perfect ending so we can get hehe funny spork hijinks. I hate this movie. At least now I realise why people hate Cars 2, but at least that didn't ruin a perfect trilogy.
It's as bad NWH writing, borg makes no sense.
Bro how have you not done more reviews like this. Its highly amusing and your editing is on point
Well it's literally five hours of content, goddamn it's gonna take awhile to make videos with this kind of quality.
Oh my goodness.
Your humor is freaking amazing.
The “I can’t say clip”
And the creative insults are just chefs kiss. xD
I have been skimming through this series of videos each time they have been uploaded, and it has been pretty entertaining, with you absolutely tearing into this movie that you obviously despise so much, and it being a long analysis of the whole movie with almost scene being discussed, comparing it to the trilogy.
Anyway I have never seen Toy Story 4 and I never knew that it was this much of a downfall compared to what came before it in the trilogy. I feel like this movie just shouldn't exist, Toy Story 3 ended on a perfect note for the franchise, but they went and made 4th one anyway.
I woulda preferred a fourth story about Sid or someone in the world with videos seeing toys are alive and thinks that they are extremely dangerous and Bonnie making friends with living toys would have to protect her toys from being destroyed
I love how he gets progressively angrier with each episode
I still get angry as I watch my 2009 Woody getting accused for the Queens death by JESSIE!. Woody.EXE then swings his knife out really fast and as Woody.EXE approaches Jessie with his knife with me and my mother feeling really nervous but then he literally stabbed Jessie feeling nothing and walking away with my 2009 Woody, me and my mother.
This movie feels like it was written in one sitting, by someone who hasn't seen the Toy Story trilogy since Toy Story 3 came out. Oh and the writer was seriously injured in a 6 car pile up years ago and has chronic memory loss.
You guys notice in the past 10 years or so, women in media have this weird angry tone with all men? So much rage.
Yes, true. Its not about equality anymore. It's some sort of a misplaced sense of revenge
Bo is abusive to Woody here. All these films with female characters being abusive to male characters is just sexist. It's not right.
It doesn't justify anything. They need to stop this.
It sucks because feminism was originally about equality for all genders. Seeing male directors creating “feminist” movies where the female leads are complete jerks towards men because they’re “strong and independent” totally goes against the original concept of feminism and what true feminist women want equality to be lmao.
yes
They claim to be empowered female characters that want to tear down the established toxic masculinity and they do so by giving their female characters said toxic masculine traits.
"Why do you want to save Forky?"
"Because he's sentient and I have a moral core?"
I wouldn’t have saved him because I never cared but I would have saved Woody.EXE because I really care about him even though he might be evil but he never multiplied me!
Just make a new forky
@@nicolelawless9942 Please tell me you’re joking. Not even Zero would be this cartoonishly absurd in his motivations against his nemeses, Sigma and Dr. Weil.
Only reason I could explain Buzz Lightyear loosing his marbles in this film, would be remnant damage from Lotso and his gang flipping the switch from "play" to "demo"
Followed by the gang pressing the paperclip to reset him too long.
That might work were it not for the fact that Buzz was still shown to be making intelligent choices after that both in Toy Story 3 at the dump, and in subsequent short films released afterwards.
These videos have been popping up as of late and man the fact that each part takes an hour to do really tells you on the abysmal writing quality of this movie.
Also yeah that spork was stupid and why was she obsessed over it despite bringing every other toy which have more interesting features than it other than forcing the merchandise cash cow character into being a part of the plot?
Also the fact people bought merchandise of Forky makes my brain melt because they literally spent hard earned money on merchandise of a spork with googly eyes, clay, popsicle sticks and pipe cleaners that really is just some arts & crafts project at the end of the day
Someone commented on another part in this video series that Forky should have just been sold and marketed as a do-it-yourself arts and craft kit.
People actually bought Forky?!!
Oh, my gooooddd...
@@avivastudios2311 a high school teacher of mine bought merch of him and kept him inside the empty fish bowl on a tall bookcase
The end of the Gabby Gabby big scene segment really hit home, but for a less deep reason. I had a little toy submarine (Thunderbird 4, for anyone interested) that I lovingly played for years. I found it last summer, only to find that the fin is missing and the decals were coming off. So, I repaired it. It wasn't perfect, but it has character and story behind it. So why couldn't Gabby Gabby be taken by the girl who says that she "was proven to be a great friend already" or something like that. It completely dilutes the value of old toys completely! Tells the audience that they're worthless unless they're in perfect working condition.
Yeah, I was alsk really bothered by how Gabby ends up with everything she's dreamed of... no moment of regret or guilt or any consequences whatsoever. It was sick.
Children can actually watch her terrible, selfish and ruthless actions, thinking she's probably justified in being toxic to others because they're just really sad deep down about not having something they really want,
And that maybe it's fine to take someone else's stuff if it will help you find happiness or whatever.
A broken voice box isn't the end of the world though, she was just being a dumb, nasty villain who believes that the only solution to her problems is to replace what she's lost hrough any means necessary. Including unjustly taking someone else's voice box so she'd have one to use.
It's all good, because... see? Every bad thing she's done in the movie has ultimately led her to achieving her goal.
Pfft.
If I take my frustration on Woody, I regret it and apologise to him. Woody completely understands the emotional s**t I go through every day and JESSIE DOESN’T! WHAT THE?!
You notice the 3 male villains from the original films don't get a redemption arch, but the one female villain does?
This film came out in 2019 and had the unfortunate timing of being a victim of this trend of coddling female villains.
Because girl villains are always victims of their emotions and can't possibly be held accountable for their actions
@@silverscorpio24 are there no boy/men villains who are victims of their emotions? and even get a redemption arc? what about Loki or Kylo Ren, Zuko, or Steve Harrington?
@Vierka Chora I was being sarcastic.
Look at modern Marvel: Scarlet Witch gets a pass for torturing and killing people because "she's grieving", alt-Dr. Strange is a betrayer because he chose to sacrifice one life to save the Multiverse
@@celinelia8127 I was being sarcastic. But I wouldn't call any of those guys victims of their own emotions: they're bad and subsequently turn good because they realize what they've done was wrong and want to change. They weren't villains that the main characters made excuses for because they were "grieving" or "their cause was justified" or "they were abused so it's okay."
Having been in more than my share of antique stores: No, they don't hang chandeliers from the ceiling. The usual method is to create a hook from the wall boards set up for each section of the shop and hang the chandeliers from those, so people don't unintentionally bump their heads on low hanging glass.
47:36 that literally made my jaw drop. This man does not give a still fuck. That commentary is so jarring.
Lmao my favorite part with this review is him just feeling defeated af at how stupid the plot is and trying to move on to the next critique XD
Do you remember how Mr Potato Head sounded in this film? Don Rickles died before they could start the voice recordings and in his place are a bunch of cobbled together unused lines from promotional material he previously did
I can truly say no lie. I can not stop rewatching these reviews. They are truly amazing all the way to the core.
55:36
That was also one of the other messages in the First Toy Story
When Woody is in the crate and he's talking to Buzz about how he doesn't need to be a real Space Ranger to be cool . Andy loves him because he's an awesome Toy
Woody goes on to say
"What kind of chance does a Toy like me have against a Buzz Lightyear action figure"
Alot of Woody's jealousy comes from feeling insignificant compared to buzz . Like when all the toys are talking about how flashy Buzz is and Potato head makes a comment on how all Woody has is a pullstring.
Part of the message was that Woody doesn't need to be an awesome action figure with a ton of cool gadgets and whistles
Just being a regular old cowboy pullstring doll is more than good enough to Andy and even Bonnie
Woody could've perfectly told Ga- I mean Annabelle this because he's been through it
Being yourself is more than enough when your kid loves you for the joy you bring to their life
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Hell there's even a Toy story comic that takes place in Al's Toy Barn ?
Where another Buzz Lightyear is so desperate to have an owner he tries to take Buzz's place
And at the end of it he falls off a shelf helping the toys escape
He gets completely banged up
Scraped paint , cracks , even a huge gash on his face
And he even says that no kid will ever want him
But a kid looks through all the various Buzz Lightyear designs and doesn't want them until he finds
"Battle Damaged Buzz" which he thinks is the coolest thing ever and takes him in
And this Buzz is more than happy that a child loves him for what he is now
When he believed it was impossible
Wait, there is a toy story comic? Must be old
I am so confused how can Cooley take these traumatic scenarios with Characters in this film, when he was involved in Inside out?!
That film was all about handling sad moments instead of laughing it off. When Joy tried to cheer up Bing Bong, Sadness listening to him helped him feel better.
Even when Buzz's memory was erased with his spanish mode, he still stuck by Woody without so much as a second thought.
That scene where Gabby gets rejected could have just been played for laughs and quickly dismissed to get on with the story, like with the Keanu stunt figure.
I'm 4 episodes in and I only now realize that you sound like Sokka
instead of specifiying the backpack was forgotten in the antique store, the dialogue could've very easily been fixed like this
"you forgot your jetpack back at the space station!" that was thought up in a few seconds, and it's infinitely better since it's not something i'd be suspicious of a buzz lightyear saying
I feel like the joker movie had a real good message about villains, you can feel bad about them sure, they can have sad backstories, but the horrible atrocities they commit shouldn't be rewarded "you get what you deserve"
Agreed. Just. Chef's kiss
The part you brought up about comparing Gabby's defective voice box to disabilities is a very solid point! Also, you know that whole thing about Gabby thinking she isn't worthy of Harmony's love without a fixed voice box? Well, guess what. That there is actually ANOTHER example of a character being inconsistent. She says that when her voice box is fixed, she'll "finally get her chance". Meanwhile, she simultaneously tells Forky(who doesn't have a voice box) that he is "a very important toy" because of Bonnie's name being written on his sticks.
Now for the part after that, about the lesson Woody could have taught her. You're right. That would've been a great opportunity! So yeah, Woody should have accepted Gabby's offer to let him have his voice box back. Not just that, but he could actually have used that thing about Forky I mentioned above to further drive that point he could have taught her.
They're stupid and malicious. That's the worst part. They're evil. But they're not smart enough to figure out that they're evil.
Figure out that they're evil and change, I mean.
I want to remind everyone that the *very FIRST SCENE* we meet Gabby she manipulates Woody into her pram under the guise that she'll take him to Bo.
Here's a better solution to Annabelle's struggle:
Annabelle: I want your voice box, Woody, so I can be loved and played with.
Woody: You don't need a new voice box to be loved and played with. You're perfect the way you are. In fact, come wait with me by Bonnie's backpack and I know, once she comes back to retrieve it, one look at you and she will love you and will want to take you home.
Now the part I would write next, it would be Annabelle agrees to this idea, and Bonnie and her Mom come back in the shop, looking for the backpack, Woody and Forky inside, and Annabelle next to the backpack, and like Woody says, Bonnie wants to bring Annabelle home, to which her Mom agrees to buy. But up at the counter, the shop-keep is shocked to see the doll and is overjoyed that they found her old toy that she thought was lost forever, and Bonnie learns the doll is not for sale. And Annabelle realizes she was a lost toy all along.
You might think such an ending is dumb, but here me out, an antique shop is the perfect environment for something to get lost. An antique store is a very interesting setting for a Toy Story movie to take place do to how most have a maze-like hoarder layout.
The big change for this to work would be to age down the shop-keep herself since she looks to be in her late 80s, and age her down to about 15-20 years younger, still old, but not look like she was born in 1933, but would have been 10 in 1956 type deal.
Huh, could be a neat fix.
That is a good message to convey to kids: just because you have a disability doesn't mean you have to change your appearance or personality in order to please other people. The only thing you have to do is just be yourself, not be who they want you to be.
I remember telling my 2009 Woody about my struggles throughout mourning the Queen and he said “Queen Elizabeth may be gone but she’s always looking down on you; you’re stronger than you think about it”. Then he hugs me as I cry my eyes out telling Woody “ugh I can’t do it!” And then my 2009 Woody sends Evil Woody in to help and he did much better
Oh my god, I just realized this is already PART 4 of a series of videos where each lasts a bit longer than an hour, there's something hypnotic about the way this guy tears this awful movie apart piece by piece, it even makes me lose track of time lol.
No....the BIGGEST sin of Jessie popping the tire is that NOT ONLY was she able to find a nail and pop the tire in 5 seconds flat WITHIOUT the family seeing her....she was able to EXTRACT the nail FROM said tire and bring it back with her to help her illustrate how she managed to do her ONE USEFUL TASK in the movie. If we have established that it would be next to impossible for a cowgirl ragdoll to puncture a thick rubber tire enough to immediately flatten the tire....how much strength would she have needed to pull the nail out BY HERSELF and escape back into the RV before the Dad came to investigate the flat tire. (which again, was about 5 seconds, according to you.)
Agreed
You’re being beyond ridiculous.
@@korrblank1361no. You are
@@korrblank1361 no, you are.
i find real funny that the only memory i have of this movie is "lighting pretty" and completely forgot about the spork and basically all the characters and plot
The "It's called Loyalty" Line PISSED me off for a different reason than the ending
To me, it pretty much said this: "You should've jumped out of the box that night and stayed with Andy. Remember Andy? ANDY IS OUR KID! I MISS ANDY!"
They completely forced Woody into this Stockholm/Fatal Attraction with Andy so that their stupid plot can work.
Woody gets castrated and/or lobotomized...
I've always found surgery to be something scary and terror inducing, and here in this movie (from a franchise that has clearly established how toys work in that universe) they treat it as something totally fine, i just saw the scene alone and i actually felt terrible.
I know of someone that had brain surgery because of cancer, his brain is cut almost in half, yet he feels totally the same and its something totally unoticeable, really scary again, you can get stuff removed from your body without knowing, that's f'd up.
1:37
Working at a tire shop you'd be surprised, it's actually not to hard puncture an aired up tire but seeing how its an RV the air pressure should be 60-75 psi in a front tire so her being a toy (a ragdoll) is what makes it impossible because the pressure coming from said puncture would be too much...
Thank you for this. I grew up on Toy Story and the first two movies were some of my favorte movies of all time. I skipped the 4th movie so now I'm going through your series, and how they changed Bo Beep is downright heartbreaking. It's just more current year trend of female characters belittling male characters in the name of "empowerment," but instead just being mean. Never thought it would seep its way into Toy Story.
If you pause at 54:00, you'll see that Woody seems to be in pain when the Dummy gets his hand in his back.
So basically, "Anabelle" here got scott-free from not just manipulation and violence, but torture as well.
When I watched this, I kid you not, what I though was "great, we are giving her the Steven Universe treatment. Screw it"
Another unfortunate implication involving the goal of the villian is that the movie implies that if you have a disability, you are entitled to threaten and mistreat other people to get what you want, including multilating them to get their body parts in hopes of "curing" your disability...
What a briliant movie.
This gives me inspiration to make my own rant videos! Thanks so much for these videos, we need more criticism in this world to prevent another atrocious movie like this happening
First of all, the clip at 9:34 paired with the audio had me actually crying...
Secondly, these are really well-written, well-edited videos, and I'm so glad someone took the time to tear this movie down like it deserved to be. Even after seeing criticism, I feel like the internet was far too lenient. TS4 is like a shining example of what's wrong with modern remakes/sequels/reboots, using nostalgia, contrivance, inconsistency and character assassination to half-tape together a bumbling script that people actually paid to go see in action (not that the audience could've known it would be this bad, but the fact that they charged money at all is an injustice - I hope a good portion went to the animators, the only people who actually tried). I have an appreciation for incredibly long deconstructions of modern Hollywood, so, naturally, all parts are getting a thumbs-up from me (:
Oh, and I love the amount of Phineas and Ferb footage used in these videos!
little question: How this movie won a Oscar while Weathering With You ( another animated movie, really good ) was not even nominated.
Because Oscars are just made for Hollywood pandering now, a way to pat themselves at the back.
Disney owns the Oscars
There rigid, it has been proven
Out of curiosity, how do you put scenes from a movie in a video without getting copyright striken?
Is there a limit to how many you can put?
Because this series is a review, which falls under fair use. Also, I’m not just playing the movie in the background. If I just reuploaded the movie with no editing, I’d be taken down within the day. But I have completely transformed the content by commentating over the entire thing for use in deconstructing the endless writing mistakes, and transformative content - in this case, a review - falls entirely under fair use.
@@GamingMagic13 Nice to know, thanks.
Is this secretly Mauler's second channel? Loved every minute of all 4 parts!
1:07:45 "Because she is a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad person"
I've never seen anyone reference that movie ever, it's so underrated!
I understand that Mr Potato Head's role was limited due to Don Rickles' passing and only using outtakes from the previous movies. But 1) they could've recast him like they did with Slinky following Jim Varney's passing, and 2) if they *REALLY* thought they were being "respectful" by not recasting him (to be frank, I find "The Character Died With Him" to be up there with "Heroic Mime" in terms of terrible tropes), Rise of Skywalker managed to use Leia more effectively despite Carrie Fisher's passing throwing a wrench into their script. Regardless of your thoughts of that movie (I actually thought it wasn't that bad), it is still an objective fact that Leia had more presence there than Potato Head does in Toy Story 4.
Well, they’d have to find a good Don Rickles impersonator or at least a professional voice actor that can perfectly imitate Don’s voice that it’d be hard to notice unless you play both the new voice and Don’s voice back to back.
These rants are incredibly long, incredibly entertaining, and seem a very funny and better way to spend your time relating to the movie than watching it x,D
Don’t forget, this was around the time Last Jedi came out, which also involved the male main character needing to step aside for the female side character despite the fact that they seem completely incompetent.
"iT'S nOt pLagIaRiSM iF yOU sTeAL fRoM yOuRsELf KIDS" - Guy who talks about the giant shiny coconut crab from Moana for a living
The writing of this movie had a lot of drama, Rashida Jones was involved and left calling the team sexist for not taking her ideas. Later John Lasseter himself was removed from Pixar. Unfortunately the fans were nowhere near outraged enough for there to be info about what happened behind the scenes but I’m curious what went down.
13:46 The sheep hanging onto Chucky made me laugh so hard from the way you described it. 🤣🤣
Been grinding out this series for about 2 days now. Easily my new favorite channel with an entertaining and good analysis process
The writters transformed Bo Beep into a Rey Palpatine, a perfect woman that is better than all the male characters and is basically invincible.
Bad decision to pick the one character made of porcelain, but then again the writters clearly hate logic and the viewers.
Actually they did say this Oc Bo Beep is heavy inspired by Rey from Starwars.
That’s not even true.
@@cutesyprincess14 they never said that.
One question
Do you think Bonnie would care? If Her parents notice that she doesn’t play with her toys and are all like “Do you want to donate these to SunnySide, you don’t play with them” “Our daughter, doesn’t play with them anymore. Im guessing she’s growing out, let’s donate these”. would she care then?!!!
Why is there even a cat in the antique store? Might as well put a bull in your China shop now. If the cat jumped on a shelf that also had lamps or vases on it, your merchandise is in danger of shattering. I know about the danger cats present to elevated objects first-hand.
Do note that Jessie not just pops any average car tire but a MUCH more durable and heavier tire of the kind that is also used for small trucks.
If her ability to pop an average tire with a nail is questionable at best, then it would be impossible for her to pop truck tires with that.
I gotta say these are the funniest reviews I've ever seen in my entire life, your passion for toy story is beyond comprehension and i think that's pretty respectable (i can't get "this film is full of bologna" out of my head)