I have 4 of these units and they work great, with great results. You say it's junk, so what type of unit do you recommend? I need these to transfer old VHS, some with copy guards, to DVD-R.
The parts are hard to find because VHS capturing is a legacy task. The best stuff was made 20 years ago when there was a huge demand. The price now is caused by supply and demand.
This video is a little puzzling to me. I have admittedly limited experience in digitizing VHS. I have a few VHS digitized on my channel which I’m going to have to go back and redo because I really messed them up badly. It was partly because of me following someone’s advice on UA-cam and partly because of my own inexperience with the source and how it behaves. I am learning a lot more about digitizing VHS now thanks to digitalfaq and I have good gear now. To me it’s interesting and I’m excited to start back on my project. The reason this video is puzzling to me is because in my limited experience I can tell that you need both a frame and a line TBC. You at least have to have something to prevent dropes frames like a frame TBC. The line TBC in a VCR doesn’t prevent dropped frames. I have my original captured videos on a hard drive that have bad audio sync issues because of my video dropping frames due to me not including a frame TBC in my workflow. The audio sync issues get worse the longer your capture is. I remember trying to fix that in post. I had a really good line (field) TBC in my workflow then but no frame TBC. My VHS-C tapes are newer and they were recorded on as late as 2007. The camera was a newer VHS-C camera. The tapes are in excellent shape. They were kept in doors in there cases. Why can I as a novice with limited experience tell you that if you only have the line TBC that is in certain VCRs you’re going to get dropped frames and this guy who is repairing someone’s TBC 1000 and then recommending them different TBCs to buy thinks of field and line TBC as the same thing and thinks that you don’t need a TBC unless you are recording on older broadcast equipment. If you only need a TBC on older equipment then why did I need it on my VHS-C videos? You’ll get big issues without a line TBC. I tried capturing without a line TBC also. It didn’t work at all for me.
I am of the opinion that there must be a time base corrector somewhere in the signal chain. This can be in the video recorder (with JVC S-VHS recorders from this millennium I have often seen an image jumping up and down by one line on YT), an external stand-alone device or in the input of the analog/digital converter. If you want to use a DVD recorder with TBC in EE mode, you should make sure that the example videos on YT are in HD (otherwise you won't see the fluctuation) and in the same color system, because despite the same model name (Panasonic DMR-E50) there are different chipsets in them. I'm working on a Pioneer DVR-560H (PAL = 4:4:4) to HDMI interlaced solution. But even if it works, a different TBC may be better in case of color disturbances (dropped Hi8 camcorder with slight track mix). I didn't have such great experiences with the FOR_A FA-330 P together with a Panasonic (PAL) S-VHS recorder. The ferrite around the front video cables of the Datavideo TBC1000 say a lot about the grounding concept.
@@TTVEaGMXde But the capture chip does, look up its datasheet. HDMI is essentially lossless, you can encode it to any sampling rate you want, But the source is 4:2:2.
@@Capturing-Memories The data sheet for the capture card (Blackmagic DeckLink Mini Recorder HD, only HD Version works with 4:4:4) does not reveal whether this can be done on the hardware side or via software.
You need both a line and field TBC. I’ve tried capturing with just a line TBC in my VCR and no standalone frame TBC. You get dropped frames. Why would someone listen to a video about TBCs where the person talking thinks a line and a frame TBC are the same. When I didn’t have a frame TBC I got bad audio sync problems. A line TBC doesn’t prevent dropped frames. A frame TBC improves your signal and prevents dropped frames. I was using a newly restored Panasonic 1980p ag. My VCR has a really strong line (field) TBC and it’s good at playing the VHS-C EP tapes I was trying to play but without a frame TBC I was dropping a ton of frames. I got the advice to not get a frame TBC off of UA-cam then finally I found digitalfaq and finally started to figure out what was wrong with my method and that a frame and line TBCs are both necessary.
@@daltonrandall4348 By this equipment do you mean TBCs in general? All TBCs are old. This stuff is old and it can be crap or it can be great. It depends on where you get it from generally. The new stuff I’m seeing is like the retrotink and I haven’t seen anything good out of those. They are probably great for video games though. I have a TBC 3000 but I wouldn’t suggest people run out and get one of those off of eBay. I’m not suggesting that at all. Im not suggesting people run out and buy a Panasonic 1980p ag either even though I have one. Where you buy vintage electronics from is a big factor. Im saying research the decisions for yourself and make up your own mind. From my experience UA-cam is not a good source for research.
@@daltonrandall4348 It would be nice if they still manufactured TBC 3000s, AIW 9600s, or Pannasonic 1980p ags except without the bad caps and with the wide video head they came with. Better if they would of improved on the gear. No one did though. Manufacturers had huge budgets back then. That changed once everything went digital. The legacy task is tied to legacy gear if you want the best quality. Out of curiosity what is the solution you heard from the people that told you this equipment is old crap?
I have one of these, max hours of use is about 40-50. When you use hardware continiously for many years, it will take a toll on capacitors etc. Not having replaced anything, I just tried mine - still works flawlessly :)
You say over and over that the TBC-1000 is "junk," but the only reason you give is that that you can't find replacement parts for it. Okay, but what's the actual PROBLEM with it? Why exactly is it "junk?" And then you proceed to tell us that only people like you dealing with the "big dogs" actually need to use a TBC for transfers, but if people do, what are they supposed to use instead? We get it already, this thing is crap... what is the alternative??? What are you using? Give us some info, sheesh. Like, I appreciate that you're taking the time to make a video but there's almost no information here at all...
What do you suggest for a TBC? I have a Leitch x75 from ebay and it seems to work. Older forums I've read seem to think their older non-HD units perform better.
The funny thing about that box is it uses a dummy PCI card that meant to be inserted into a desktop PCI slot (for mounting purposes only, no active pins) and connections are made at the back from its RCA and S-Video sockets to the VCR and back to another PCI capture card on the same computer (as you can see the sockets are removed), A Molex 12v/5v power connector is still there though. Datavideo decided to add a distribution amp to it, put it in case and sell it as a "professional" TBC for dubbing VHS tapes back in the day as true professionals TBC's were very expensive.
What frame TBCs are you suggesting and are they good for consumer VHS recordings? There are forums where people talk about this and some of those people have 30 plus years of experience in consumer VHS and they talk about the construction of the TBC 1000 design being poor but at the same time it’s good with VHS tapes recorded from consumer cameras. There are better frame TBCs that they discuss and compare.
He doesn’t know the difference between a line and a frame TBC. It’s obvious in the video. Then he’s supposed to be giving advice on what TBCs for people to get.
It seems to be the brand's way of doing things. A few years ago, I bought three different DataVideo DV interfaces, and of the three, only one worked, and it was flaky. I sill have it, mostly because I refuse to sell it to some unsuspecting person.
This entire video is "wah, I can't fix it, what a piece of junk, wah". A "tech guru" should not utterly fail to comprehend the simple difference between frame sync TBCs and line TBCs. Those are not the same. Claiming that only broadcast sources need TBCs is ridiculous. Thinking gold matters for a composite cable is also silly. The fact that you're even using the audio passthrough of the VP-299 board is telling.
Rick, I really like these videos where you let us people who are noobies to this field know what brands are not good for efficient use. Thank you for the heads up.
I got mislead by this video ua-cam.com/video/PTQYJKQpazk/v-deo.htmlsi=FgeMCTst7lHPjJLk a long time ago but he does say in the video that he is outputting his signal directly from premier pro onto a brand new VHS tape then capturing that and also that he is capturing Hi 8 from a 500 dollar Hi 8 camera that was shot with that same camera. His camera has a TBC. He said he could keep his HI 8 in sync for 30 minutes. He thinks an ADVC 110 has a TBC inside of it. It was my fault way more than it was his for not looking into the information he was giving. I don’t wanna blame people too much. I just didn’t know anything about timebase errors then and how he was using excellent source material to get his blackmagic intensity shuttle to function then saying you don’t need a frame TBC. I didn’t realize that when he told me I needed to get a VCR with a TBC to get my VHS-C tapes to play that he didn’t actually have a TBC in his VCR. When he bragged about his quality it was because of his excellent cherry picked source material. He wasn’t speaking from experience and he was cocky because had worked in analog video a long time ago but not specifically digitizing consumer VHS. This guy seems kind of the same way. He knows about some things to do with analog so he assumes stuff like you don’t need a TBC for newer consumer VHS recordings.
I have 4 of these units and they work great, with great results. You say it's junk, so what type of unit do you recommend? I need these to transfer old VHS, some with copy guards, to DVD-R.
Lol it's not about the Gold in the cable more about the shielding against EMI
The parts are hard to find because VHS capturing is a legacy task. The best stuff was made 20 years ago when there was a huge demand. The price now is caused by supply and demand.
This video is a little puzzling to me. I have admittedly limited experience in digitizing VHS. I have a few VHS digitized on my channel which I’m going to have to go back and redo because I really messed them up badly. It was partly because of me following someone’s advice on UA-cam and partly because of my own inexperience with the source and how it behaves. I am learning a lot more about digitizing VHS now thanks to digitalfaq and I have good gear now. To me it’s interesting and I’m excited to start back on my project.
The reason this video is puzzling to me is because in my limited experience I can tell that you need both a frame and a line TBC. You at least have to have something to prevent dropes frames like a frame TBC. The line TBC in a VCR doesn’t prevent dropped frames. I have my original captured videos on a hard drive that have bad audio sync issues because of my video dropping frames due to me not including a frame TBC in my workflow. The audio sync issues get worse the longer your capture is. I remember trying to fix that in post. I had a really good line (field) TBC in my workflow then but no frame TBC. My VHS-C tapes are newer and they were recorded on as late as 2007. The camera was a newer VHS-C camera. The tapes are in excellent shape. They were kept in doors in there cases. Why can I as a novice with limited experience tell you that if you only have the line TBC that is in certain VCRs you’re going to get dropped frames and this guy who is repairing someone’s TBC 1000 and then recommending them different TBCs to buy thinks of field and line TBC as the same thing and thinks that you don’t need a TBC unless you are recording on older broadcast equipment. If you only need a TBC on older equipment then why did I need it on my VHS-C videos? You’ll get big issues without a line TBC. I tried capturing without a line TBC also. It didn’t work at all for me.
I am of the opinion that there must be a time base corrector somewhere in the signal chain. This can be in the video recorder (with JVC S-VHS recorders from this millennium I have often seen an image jumping up and down by one line on YT), an external stand-alone device or in the input of the analog/digital converter. If you want to use a DVD recorder with TBC in EE mode, you should make sure that the example videos on YT are in HD (otherwise you won't see the fluctuation) and in the same color system, because despite the same model name (Panasonic DMR-E50) there are different chipsets in them. I'm working on a Pioneer DVR-560H (PAL = 4:4:4) to HDMI interlaced solution. But even if it works, a different TBC may be better in case of color disturbances (dropped Hi8 camcorder with slight track mix). I didn't have such great experiences with the FOR_A FA-330 P together with a Panasonic (PAL) S-VHS recorder. The ferrite around the front video cables of the Datavideo TBC1000 say a lot about the grounding concept.
4:4:4 is just bloating file size, The chip is limited to 4:2:2, You are essentially upsampling from 4:2:2 to 4:4:4 on the fly.
@@Capturing-Memories The Pioneer DVR-560H cannot do 4:2:2 on the HDMI output with PAL (576x720i50).
@@TTVEaGMXde But the capture chip does, look up its datasheet. HDMI is essentially lossless, you can encode it to any sampling rate you want, But the source is 4:2:2.
@@Capturing-Memories The data sheet for the capture card (Blackmagic DeckLink Mini Recorder HD, only HD Version works with 4:4:4) does not reveal whether this can be done on the hardware side or via software.
@@TTVEaGMXde Exactly, SD adheres to rec.601 4:2:2, HD is something else, that's why HD cards are not recommended for SD capture.
You need both a line and field TBC. I’ve tried capturing with just a line TBC in my VCR and no standalone frame TBC. You get dropped frames. Why would someone listen to a video about TBCs where the person talking thinks a line and a frame TBC are the same. When I didn’t have a frame TBC I got bad audio sync problems. A line TBC doesn’t prevent dropped frames. A frame TBC improves your signal and prevents dropped frames. I was using a newly restored Panasonic 1980p ag. My VCR has a really strong line (field) TBC and it’s good at playing the VHS-C EP tapes I was trying to play but without a frame TBC I was dropping a ton of frames. I got the advice to not get a frame TBC off of UA-cam then finally I found digitalfaq and finally started to figure out what was wrong with my method and that a frame and line TBCs are both necessary.
What did you end up with? All I read everywhere is that this equipment is old and crap, but WHAT'S THE SOLUTION?
@@daltonrandall4348 By this equipment do you mean TBCs in general? All TBCs are old. This stuff is old and it can be crap or it can be great. It depends on where you get it from generally. The new stuff I’m seeing is like the retrotink and I haven’t seen anything good out of those. They are probably great for video games though.
I have a TBC 3000 but I wouldn’t suggest people run out and get one of those off of eBay. I’m not suggesting that at all. Im not suggesting people run out and buy a Panasonic 1980p ag either even though I have one. Where you buy vintage electronics from is a big factor.
Im saying research the decisions for yourself and make up your own mind. From my experience UA-cam is not a good source for research.
@@daltonrandall4348 It would be nice if they still manufactured TBC 3000s, AIW 9600s, or Pannasonic 1980p ags except without the bad caps and with the wide video head they came with. Better if they would of improved on the gear. No one did though.
Manufacturers had huge budgets back then. That changed once everything went digital. The legacy task is tied to legacy gear if you want the best quality. Out of curiosity what is the solution you heard from the people that told you this equipment is old crap?
I have one of these, max hours of use is about 40-50. When you use hardware continiously for many years, it will take a toll on capacitors etc. Not having replaced anything, I just tried mine - still works flawlessly :)
You say over and over that the TBC-1000 is "junk," but the only reason you give is that that you can't find replacement parts for it. Okay, but what's the actual PROBLEM with it? Why exactly is it "junk?" And then you proceed to tell us that only people like you dealing with the "big dogs" actually need to use a TBC for transfers, but if people do, what are they supposed to use instead? We get it already, this thing is crap... what is the alternative??? What are you using? Give us some info, sheesh. Like, I appreciate that you're taking the time to make a video but there's almost no information here at all...
What do you suggest for a TBC? I have a Leitch x75 from ebay and it seems to work. Older forums I've read seem to think their older non-HD units perform better.
I saw that film, "about last night" when I was in college at the 99 cent movie theater.
To fix it for good you have to get rid of the distribution amp, It has a high failure rate.
The funny thing about that box is it uses a dummy PCI card that meant to be inserted into a desktop PCI slot (for mounting purposes only, no active pins) and connections are made at the back from its RCA and S-Video sockets to the VCR and back to another PCI capture card on the same computer (as you can see the sockets are removed), A Molex 12v/5v power connector is still there though. Datavideo decided to add a distribution amp to it, put it in case and sell it as a "professional" TBC for dubbing VHS tapes back in the day as true professionals TBC's were very expensive.
What frame TBCs are you suggesting and are they good for consumer VHS recordings? There are forums where people talk about this and some of those people have 30 plus years of experience in consumer VHS and they talk about the construction of the TBC 1000 design being poor but at the same time it’s good with VHS tapes recorded from consumer cameras. There are better frame TBCs that they discuss and compare.
I hope you know the difference between line TBC in VCR and external frame sync TBC
He doesn’t know the difference between a line and a frame TBC. It’s obvious in the video. Then he’s supposed to be giving advice on what TBCs for people to get.
are the Chinese ones better?
They are worse
It seems to be the brand's way of doing things. A few years ago, I bought three different DataVideo DV interfaces, and of the three, only one worked, and it was flaky. I sill have it, mostly because I refuse to sell it to some unsuspecting person.
This entire video is "wah, I can't fix it, what a piece of junk, wah". A "tech guru" should not utterly fail to comprehend the simple difference between frame sync TBCs and line TBCs. Those are not the same. Claiming that only broadcast sources need TBCs is ridiculous. Thinking gold matters for a composite cable is also silly. The fact that you're even using the audio passthrough of the VP-299 board is telling.
UA-cam is so full of shit when it comes to video ( and lot other stuff ).
Rick, I really like these videos where you let us people who are noobies to this field know what brands are not good for efficient use. Thank you for the heads up.
It’s easy to get mislead by UA-cam. Been there done that.
I got mislead by this video ua-cam.com/video/PTQYJKQpazk/v-deo.htmlsi=FgeMCTst7lHPjJLk a long time ago but he does say in the video that he is outputting his signal directly from premier pro onto a brand new VHS tape then capturing that and also that he is capturing Hi 8 from a 500 dollar Hi 8 camera that was shot with that same camera. His camera has a TBC. He said he could keep his HI 8 in sync for 30 minutes. He thinks an ADVC 110 has a TBC inside of it. It was my fault way more than it was his for not looking into the information he was giving. I don’t wanna blame people too much. I just didn’t know anything about timebase errors then and how he was using excellent source material to get his blackmagic intensity shuttle to function then saying you don’t need a frame TBC. I didn’t realize that when he told me I needed to get a VCR with a TBC to get my VHS-C tapes to play that he didn’t actually have a TBC in his VCR. When he bragged about his quality it was because of his excellent cherry picked source material. He wasn’t speaking from experience and he was cocky because had worked in analog video a long time ago but not specifically digitizing consumer VHS. This guy seems kind of the same way. He knows about some things to do with analog so he assumes stuff like you don’t need a TBC for newer consumer VHS recordings.