One of the best pieces of news is that Sal’s Channel will soon Hit 100k so I would very much like to Congratulate Sal on this upcoming and important milestone.. Thanks for all the great content..!
Sal, you mentioned that the Maersk Antares has been in port since June 4th. Well it’s been on the automated side of the Maersk berths the entire time. They’ll move it and order humans to work the ship on the departure date when they’re ready to finish loading it and ship it out. Ships can only be worked by labor when labor is ordered.
Great report very accurate. Makes me wonder how much longer shippers will tolerate PMA’S disregard for what a skilled workforce brings to the table. They obviously have a short memory when it comes to what the ILWU did during the pandemic, at great risk to ourselves and our families! Which gave shipping companies record profits!
You are so good at explaining the current situation. You have a‘Dan Carlin’ voice!(Host of ‘hardcore history’) You touch on so much information in so little time!
Hang in their James! You guys can't let them automate anymore. The shippers are trying to automate the Terminals and South Bay ware houses run by Yusen and APL. Thanks.
Sal, just wanted to write and praise your excellent coverage of all things maritime and especially this labor dispute. I served as in-house counsel (maritime and corporate finance focus) for Horizon Lines, Inc. and then Matson Navigation (c. 2011-2018). I recall that even in 2017-2018 there were signs that there was going to have to be an eventual showdown between the ILWU and the PMA because of critical disputed issues that kept being kicked down the road by everyone concerned for one reason for another. Hopefully, both sides can reach long-term agreement and avoid a much more serious work stoppage that would cost the economy so much and create serious supply chain issues.
Engineers worry about a bridge or an airplane that has a single point of failure that could lead to disaster. Trans-Pacific shipping seems to have a similar single point of failure in this conflict between the ILWU and the PMA. When they clash, there are no alternative seaborne transport to our West Coast of any size. Transport slows or stops while they clash. That's not good for all those who depend on that trade. Here's an interesting fact you may not have heard about. When the Alaskan pipeline was about to be built, the obvious rail-to-ship-transfer point for materials was Seattle. All the connection points, it was thought, quietly agreed to raise their rates and get rich. Ah, but they missed one single point, which was shown to me by a sailing buddy as we drove past it. At the north end of Lake Washington was a rail-to-barge link that was ordinarily used for gravel and sand. According to him almost all the shipborne material for the Alaska pipeline passed through it.
One interesting idea is the amount of seasonal stock that missed it's unloading date last year now being in store and ready for sale. Meaning that some stock doesn't need to come through the ports because it's already onshore.
Sal, IF you are going to do a mediation, you FIRST meet with each party separately, then together in one room. IF, you are going to impose a deal, you bring them together, without separate consults, then it's just fallout from there. Here is one truth. 'Bad management begets unions'. Companies with true profit sharing, seldom have unions. Best wishes from the far North.
Ya i know how thats going to go .hey you ya you from the east coast beat it . I used to work all those ports as a truck driver for years Seattle and Tacoma .and in 45 years of long haul oversize and heavy that was the worst job .going in and out of those ports .
Sounds exactly like how Precision Scheduled Railroading is gutting rail throughput and reliability in exchange for massive profits. Honestly having this happen with both dock AND rail labor will continue to cripple intermodal shipping times.
Sal, What happened to arbitration? I would have thought the ILWU-PMA would have had a clause in their contract requiring arbitration, similar to those in major sports contracts. I would have thought the PMA-ILWU contract would have a mid-contract wage opener and a clause requiring arbitration and binding arbitration. I also believe that there should be a no-strike/no-lockout clause. Simple things can make life so much easier. Bob
With the low Panama Canal water levels the West Coast dock workers have the advantage for sure, and their situation will only get stronger. -Agustus Gloop is stuck in the tube and the pressure is building. Willy Wonka is chewing his gum ever faster watching in great anticipation.
This 5th Grade recess argument is wearisome unless one is involved in the fight or is ringside cheering and/or jeering. Tiring ... Thanks for taking time to get into this matter. Seems both sides need to start resolving or the Gov will step in - possibly unfavorably for either side. Fortunately I found some European suppliers who are more expensive but I am getting better quality and pleasant design surprises and am getting desirable products !! I may stick with these suppliers after the West Coast resolutions for a while. Innovation is sometimes forced and can be good. Deliberate, needed innovation is hard to spot sometimes. Not so in this case. Thank you, Sir for covering this issue. Have a nice day.
Sal, have a look at what happened in the Australian ports when they were opened up in the 1970s and 1980s, in terms of productivity and throughput costs via private port operators. It would make would make a fascinating story, and may be a good forecast of what might happen in the USA and Canada if restrictive practices are allowed to persist ......? The whole trend to change where vessels are abandoning the US west coast and heading to the Gulf or the US East Cost is a result! . in the long run, shipping cartels, restrictive union practices and/or complacent/stupid/ignorant regulators will not be able to beat market forces !
"The Port of Vancouver placed second-to-last on a global ranking of hundreds of container ports after some cargo ships waited weeks to unload their cargo last year. Compiled by the World Bank and S&P Global Market Intelligence, the container port performance index lists Vancouver at No. 347 out of 348 - and dead last among ports of similar size." Google: Out of 348 global container ports, Vancouver is ranked 347 with some of the world's longest vessel wait-times
@phil0leech, i don't think you know what you're talking about, make the current contract public so we all can see what's NOT AN AMERICAN WAGE. SHOW THE RECIPS.
The problem really is the idiots that elect Republicans that are making far less think they don't deserve it instead of demanding more from their own exploiters laughable but tragic at the same time .
If theres common sense the public could see that it would be cheaper to pay ILWU and negotiate a contracr than to loose a billion a day for any kind of disruption or equipment safety check...
@@Bigcat131PMA is offering pennies while they made a lot of money and everyone across the Shippers and companies are getting sustancial bonuses and raises... the Problem is very obvious Foreign companies want to break and eliminate blue collar American job and while doing it hurt the US Economy....
Are ships still sitting off of the West Coast, causing delays? Who was/is paying for the delays? Is the Product owner in the Container getting charged extra for this? My buying knowledge is limited, but, I shipped several containers before Covid.. Needed to get some during the $20k per container, but, refused.. I was always wondering, now even more, who gets burned with the extra cost of the product sitting off of the coast, and, approx how much was that cost, and, Is this still an issue on the West coast?
Wonder what consumers are thinking about in Guam, Alaska and Hawaii? PS - When I transferred to Naval Station Yokohama, Japan in 1981, the arrival of my personal household goods was delayed for a month and it made thing difficult so I imagine any strike or slowdown on the west coast today will make thing difficult for a lot of people who normally don’t think about the ports.
It makes things very difficult for them, they do think about the ports, and unfortunately, Hawai'i Island is already dealing with propane shortages due to a gas workers strike atm. Let's get a contract agreed on so we can all get back to work! They want to give their own bonuses and raises while we literally lost members to Covid while keeping cargo moving during the pandemic, may they forever RIP and condolences always to the families who lost a husband, a father, a brother, a son...
@@thepeatbog can’t control unreasonable people. But a person can prepare for an emergency no matter what it might be. I don’t live on the islands but I’ve got it to where I can survive without leaving my house for months. That being said a labor stoppage wether caused by a strike or lockout won’t last more than a week. The government won’t let it. People shouldn’t worry about it to the point they horde things. I would be more worried about them plunging us into a depression with their irresponsible money spending than a labor dispute. That’s what I’m prepared for.
@@PumaPeteI know a couple of families who have moved to Maui recently, and they're saying their household goods are delayed in California because of this slowdown. Does that fit what you know?
PMA does not disclose how much there full time employee's make on average, if the media finds out how much the PMA workers make the media will not feel sorry for them anymore and will turn on them instead.😪😪
We have the most inflated dollar in over 40 years. The cost of living is at an all-time high. We have the highest company profit per container EVER! ILWU and PMA have been in contract negotiations for over a year. PMA demands a wage Freeze for 4 years? (BTW a demand is NOT a negotiation.) And during those 4 years, how much more expensive will it get to maintain the average dockworker's food, shelter, and transportation? PMA's answer to a work contract is a 4-year wage freeze? Get real. This is NOT a work contract. This is a slave contract.
@@TheSwissChalet Whoever told you that lied to you. ILWU retirement is totally the result of ILWU / PMA contract negotiations. ILWU has never sought nor negotiated a contract with non-union workers. And then non-union workers seldom have retirement funds to even negotiate with.
Just an update from last night 6/12 operations were essentially normal rumor is there is a tentative deal no details but things have been going normally since 2nd shift 6/12.
I concur as I am an ILWU 13 member. All dispatch orders have been filled daily, and we have been going non-stop. Trucks are being serviced, and a few of the terminals were open Saturday so we could catch up. We moved cargo and do it efficiently.
Thanks Sal for having a subjective, non partial true view ... No multi-million, billion dollar companies want to part with their money. Greed is how they got all that money in the first place .... in most cases.
The agreement process should be like electing a new Pope. Put the parties in a seedy hotel (no AC no heat), no entertainment, plain food (bread and water?) and no one leaves until there is a settlement. Also no cell phones or talking to anyone outside, like the media.
Hi Sal, question. shouldnt be logistics always be cheap because the market will always demand cheaper better faster? comparing the cheapest air freight to the most expensive sea freight which one is better? Thanks for all the work you put in to your vidoes!
Based on a free market it should. But there are a lot of other factors at play, including government interventions and subsidies that offset costs for certain groups.
@@wgowshipping hi Sal, thanks for the reply. if disruptions occur in shipping due to wage disputes then wouldn't the excess capacity go over to air routes?
Sal, what authority does Taft-Harley give the government if it were to be used to stop a strike in the west coast ports? Some of the dockworkers jobs might be fillable by contractors on short notice, but this isn't stevedores carrying barrels, i feel like most of these jobs take a lot of experience. I can't imagine there is are enough unemployed non-union crane or forklift operators available on the west coast to get the ports moving, even if the government breaks the picket lines?
You understand labor, look at the price of living in California (or Seattle, for that matter), 3/4+ million dollar houses, taxes out of control, don't buy an ic car, it'll soon be illegal, electricity prices out of control (what do they power those other kinds of cars with, oh yea), truckers have to buy new trucks (oh yea, when are they going to make electric trucks the thing, oh yea, they've only made prototypes, and what are they driven by?), The west coast has made its own bed, now they have to sleep in it. I'm a retired construction worker with severe medical issues and 70 years old, the construction companies want me back to finish houses they can't sell. The economics of labor is crazy (including no one to do the work). That's just the labor side, now the government is going to step in and help?
16 containers an hour ...yeah! ... I see it all the time ... - a "Costco card" to the crane driver boosts the count to 60 containers per hour!....see how we have to constantly bribe !....it's called extortion!
Vancouver is open and probably won't close unless prolonged closure been no contact for overva year they deserve a fair share of the money made anyone complaining they make to much should first ask themselves do I make as much as I should whete I work .
So these West Coast Port unions can slow down or strike and can affect 12% of America’s GNP and all 12% are imports NOT Made In America goods. Also these West Coast Union workers are in talks with foreign shipping magnates that have ZERO love for America and only Love Money, money that keeps going into their pockets. Thanks for sharing Sal. By the way it has rained nearly every day in Panama in June a half inch a day. America and Americans are in quite an existential economic mess today and they don’t even have a clue how or why. Our politicians prefer it that way and maybe most Americans do to. America is in an existential economic crisis and yet the weather, we are constantly told, is the only existential problem but for our current freeloader crop of politicians running America, they made it up and it is entirely fabricated by a political party in charge today. What’s beyond belief for me, is our entire US and Western media are peddling this weather nonsense, while the real threat, loss of US Manufacturing and US Manufacturing jobs is our only existential economic crisis.
@@charlesharper2357 You are asking the wrong person. I lived in California most of my life and would have preferred a private police, if any. Being lied about by police in front of a Judge wakes you up pretty quick.
Hi Sal, I’ve been working with a lot of data and algorithms lately. Do you know of any sources where I can obtain shipping data? I’d like to try working with it to better understand this situation. Thanks!
Thanks Sal. I’ll see if I can export anything from them. If I find anything useable and interesting I’d be more than happy to share it with you. My company receives approximately 1,000 TEUs of product and packaging materials from East Asian countries annually, so I’m attempting to strategize accordingly.
Aponte family - sounds like something from Godfather II on another note, what would be a real double hit would be if the Teamsters and the Railway Unions join in a sympathetic strike... than we will really be stuck on the coast we need. I believe, the governments involvement is quite reasonable since this is certainly a national economy, and by extension,, security issue, however whether to send the Labor minister or the national guard is the more appropriate/effective here may be debated
It would benefit both sides to keep the government out. Obviously a 4 year wage freeze isn’t reasonable but neither is a doubling of wages. I disagree with the Union on pension. Most of us normal people have 401ks. Not to sound anti Union but enough is enough. I’m for automation and moving to other ports. We can’t allow unions or management to threaten the entire economy of the nation. Granted neither side is acting responsibly. What I’m saying is that the long term plan needs to be to localize the impact this irresponsibility can have. LA is a sad place anyway.
I, for one, was really hoping that both sides would've been mature enough to agree to terms on their own accord. Silly me, I guess. I once said in an earlier video that you did that I was siding more with PMA as this dragged on. Now I'm right back in the middle, declaring that both sides are in the wrong. There's no winners in any of this! This is pretty much similar to a bitter husband and petty wife rage fighting to the point where the kids (everyone else) are watching the drama unfold before our very eyes and they each look to us and say, "who do you think is right?!" And most of us are wanting to tell them, "we don't care! We just want the fighting to stop!". That's my opinion on it anyway. If I could afford to relocate to the gulf coast, I probably would. Because at least my trucking job would pay better.
@@Shredderbox every day is a struggle. Physically and mentally. My beef is NOT with the workers like you and I. It's with the ones making the decisions (or lack thereof).
@@perrine85044 yet you play the "disappointed in both sides" card, clown. The PMA has been ROLLING in money for years now, and the greedy people running the shipping companies live lavish lifestyles on the backs of people who actually do the hard work. You clearly don't stand with labor, feel free to go stand in traffic.
Shut down the ports or send in the National Guards to move the goods. Shippers should just go elsewhere and jack up the prices so they could make record profits
One of the best pieces of news is that Sal’s Channel will soon Hit 100k so I would very much like to Congratulate Sal on this upcoming and important milestone.. Thanks for all the great content..!
Thanks Stephen!
@@wgowshipping Thank you 😊 I’m hooked on your reporting ..!
A 4 year wage freeze is a pay cut, compounded 4 times over. Inflation will do that.
Sal, you mentioned that the Maersk Antares has been in port since June 4th. Well it’s been on the automated side of the Maersk berths the entire time. They’ll move it and order humans to work the ship on the departure date when they’re ready to finish loading it and ship it out.
Ships can only be worked by labor when labor is ordered.
Great report very accurate. Makes me wonder how much longer shippers will tolerate PMA’S disregard for what a skilled workforce brings to the table. They obviously have a short memory when it comes to what the ILWU did during the pandemic, at great risk to ourselves and our families! Which gave shipping companies record profits!
Thankyou for your reporting practices. You great work.
Much appreciated
You are so good at explaining the current situation. You have a‘Dan Carlin’ voice!(Host of ‘hardcore history’) You touch on so much information in so little time!
Nonpartisan, straight to the point. Sal for mediator!
I am a ILWU west coast local 13 member and your take on the situation is fair and on point.
Thanks James
Hang in their James! You guys can't let them automate anymore. The shippers are trying to automate the Terminals and South Bay ware houses run by Yusen and APL. Thanks.
Sal, just wanted to write and praise your excellent coverage of all things maritime and especially this labor dispute. I served as in-house counsel (maritime and corporate finance focus) for Horizon Lines, Inc. and then Matson Navigation (c. 2011-2018). I recall that even in 2017-2018 there were signs that there was going to have to be an eventual showdown between the ILWU and the PMA because of critical disputed issues that kept being kicked down the road by everyone concerned for one reason for another. Hopefully, both sides can reach long-term agreement and avoid a much more serious work stoppage that would cost the economy so much and create serious supply chain issues.
Thanks Wayne, that means a lot.
For the same reason contracts need to go back to 3 years only to keep PMA accountable...
Engineers worry about a bridge or an airplane that has a single point of failure that could lead to disaster. Trans-Pacific shipping seems to have a similar single point of failure in this conflict between the ILWU and the PMA. When they clash, there are no alternative seaborne transport to our West Coast of any size. Transport slows or stops while they clash. That's not good for all those who depend on that trade.
Here's an interesting fact you may not have heard about. When the Alaskan pipeline was about to be built, the obvious rail-to-ship-transfer point for materials was Seattle. All the connection points, it was thought, quietly agreed to raise their rates and get rich. Ah, but they missed one single point, which was shown to me by a sailing buddy as we drove past it. At the north end of Lake Washington was a rail-to-barge link that was ordinarily used for gravel and sand. According to him almost all the shipborne material for the Alaska pipeline passed through it.
As a west coast Canadian, I say heck yeah. Time for greed pigs to pay up and take care of safety issues.
One interesting idea is the amount of seasonal stock that missed it's unloading date last year now being in store and ready for sale. Meaning that some stock doesn't need to come through the ports because it's already onshore.
Thats why the produce here in N.H. is punky , moldy , mush when you buy it..
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government, and I'm here to help"
The Aponte family appears to agree.
Yes but how do you like it when innocent bystanders are being bankrupted and government says "We won't bother doing anything"?
Till ya need them then it's what took you so long lol
Reagan Sucked
Lol 😂🙉🙊🤣👏🏿
So private corportists agencies are fighting with one another and the public corportist entity decides to mediate. Isn't corportism grand.😁
Sal, IF you are going to do a mediation, you FIRST meet with each party separately, then together in one room.
IF, you are going to impose a deal, you bring them together, without separate consults, then it's just fallout from there.
Here is one truth. 'Bad management begets unions'. Companies with true profit sharing, seldom have unions.
Best wishes from the far North.
15:03 - lol - Can’t think of a better mediator. 👍🏻😁
LA/LB still pretty busy at the moment. We’ll see how things pan out. Thx again for another great update.
Serious problem.
Ya i know how thats going to go .hey you ya you from the east coast beat it . I used to work all those ports as a truck driver for years Seattle and Tacoma .and in 45 years of long haul oversize and heavy that was the worst job .going in and out of those ports .
In injury to one is a injury to all!!!local 10 nor cal ILWU.
Solidarity ❤
I currently live and work in the Seattle area and I see this mess every day. On vacation now and hope it gets cleared up before it gets worse.
All the talk is about the container terminals, what is happening at grain ports like Kalama and Longview.
Sounds exactly like how Precision Scheduled Railroading is gutting rail throughput and reliability in exchange for massive profits. Honestly having this happen with both dock AND rail labor will continue to cripple intermodal shipping times.
TY!
Sal,
What happened to arbitration? I would have thought the ILWU-PMA would have had a clause in their contract requiring arbitration, similar to those in major sports contracts.
I would have thought the PMA-ILWU contract would have a mid-contract wage opener and a clause requiring arbitration and binding arbitration. I also believe that there should be a no-strike/no-lockout clause.
Simple things can make life so much easier.
Bob
Captain Professor Sal-great analysis and it appears everyone is clogging up the works to settlement.
With the low Panama Canal water levels the West Coast dock workers have the advantage for sure, and their situation will only get stronger.
-Agustus Gloop is stuck in the tube and the pressure is building. Willy Wonka is chewing his gum ever faster watching in great anticipation.
Best comment award 👏 🥇
This 5th Grade recess argument is wearisome unless one is involved in the fight or is ringside cheering and/or jeering. Tiring ...
Thanks for taking time to get into this matter. Seems both sides need to start resolving or the Gov will step in - possibly unfavorably for either side.
Fortunately I found some European suppliers who are more expensive but I am getting better quality and pleasant design surprises and am getting desirable products !! I may stick with these suppliers after the West Coast resolutions for a while. Innovation is sometimes forced and can be good. Deliberate, needed innovation is hard to spot sometimes. Not so in this case.
Thank you, Sir for covering this issue.
Have a nice day.
Sal,
have a look at what happened in the Australian ports when they were opened up in the 1970s and 1980s, in terms of productivity and throughput costs via private port operators. It would make would make a fascinating story, and may be a good forecast of what might happen in the USA and Canada if restrictive practices are allowed to persist ......?
The whole trend to change where vessels are abandoning the US west coast and heading to the Gulf or the US East Cost is a result!
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in the long run, shipping cartels, restrictive union practices and/or complacent/stupid/ignorant regulators will not be able to beat market forces !
"The Port of Vancouver placed second-to-last on a global ranking of hundreds of container ports after some cargo ships waited weeks to unload their cargo last year.
Compiled by the World Bank and S&P Global Market Intelligence, the container port performance index lists Vancouver at No. 347 out of 348 - and dead last among ports of similar size."
Google: Out of 348 global container ports, Vancouver is ranked 347 with some of the world's longest vessel wait-times
It seems like the PMA doesn't like paying American wages.
@phil0leech, i don't think you know what you're talking about, make the current contract public so we all can see what's NOT AN AMERICAN WAGE. SHOW THE RECIPS.
The problem really is the idiots that elect Republicans that are making far less think they don't deserve it instead of demanding more from their own exploiters laughable but tragic at the same time .
If theres common sense the public could see that it would be cheaper to pay ILWU and negotiate a contracr than to loose a billion a day for any kind of disruption or equipment safety check...
No one is going to agree to the 0% pay increase that way offered
@@Bigcat131PMA is offering pennies while they made a lot of money and everyone across the Shippers and companies are getting sustancial bonuses and raises... the Problem is very obvious Foreign companies want to break and eliminate blue collar American job and while doing it hurt the US Economy....
Needs to go to binding arbitration.
Are ships still sitting off of the West Coast, causing delays? Who was/is paying for the delays? Is the Product owner in the Container getting charged extra for this?
My buying knowledge is limited, but, I shipped several containers before Covid.. Needed to get some during the $20k per container, but, refused..
I was always wondering, now even more, who gets burned with the extra cost of the product sitting off of the coast, and, approx how much was that cost, and, Is this still an issue on the West coast?
Wonder what consumers are thinking about in Guam, Alaska and Hawaii?
PS - When I transferred to Naval Station Yokohama, Japan in 1981, the arrival of my personal household goods was delayed for a month and it made thing difficult so I imagine any strike or slowdown on the west coast today will make thing difficult for a lot of people who normally don’t think about the ports.
It makes things very difficult for them, they do think about the ports, and unfortunately, Hawai'i Island is already dealing with propane shortages due to a gas workers strike atm.
Let's get a contract agreed on so we can all get back to work!
They want to give their own bonuses and raises while we literally lost members to Covid while keeping cargo moving during the pandemic, may they forever RIP and condolences always to the families who lost a husband, a father, a brother, a son...
The Jones act requires us to work ships that supply Hawaii and Alaska no matter what’s going on with labor. Their supplies will not stop.
@@PumaPete true but people still panic buy and horde essential items when there's rumors of a west coast longshore strike.
@@thepeatbog can’t control unreasonable people. But a person can prepare for an emergency no matter what it might be. I don’t live on the islands but I’ve got it to where I can survive without leaving my house for months. That being said a labor stoppage wether caused by a strike or lockout won’t last more than a week. The government won’t let it. People shouldn’t worry about it to the point they horde things. I would be more worried about them plunging us into a depression with their irresponsible money spending than a labor dispute. That’s what I’m prepared for.
@@PumaPeteI know a couple of families who have moved to Maui recently, and they're saying their household goods are delayed in California because of this slowdown. Does that fit what you know?
I don’t always watch shipping news, but when I do, it’s “What’s Going On With Shipping”.
Thanks!
The beatings Shall now commence!
Excellent idea!
And they shall continue until morale improves.... 🫡
Watch, the feds will screw the longshoremen over just like they did the railroad unions.
@@wgowshipping Turns loose the pack of Navy Chief Petty Officers to clean up the mess :]
“war of worlds” slip … LOL … you have NO idea how true!
Once again Sal reporting the Facts.
I'd like to know what the average full time worker is getting paid.
PMA does not disclose how much there full time employee's make on average, if the media finds out how much the PMA workers make the media will not feel sorry for them anymore and will turn on them instead.😪😪
Thanks!
Thank you!
Is this monopolies fighting each other? It sounds like port monopolies vs labor monopolies.
Were you volunteering to mediate, Sal? That sounds good actually!
I want you to be nominated as the Mediator. Please, oh, please. Love❤
As a resident of Hawaii, this concerns me quite a lot.
We have the most inflated dollar in over 40 years. The cost of living is at an all-time high. We have the highest company profit per container EVER! ILWU and PMA have been in contract negotiations for over a year. PMA demands a wage Freeze for 4 years? (BTW a demand is NOT a negotiation.) And during those 4 years, how much more expensive will it get to maintain the average dockworker's food, shelter, and transportation? PMA's answer to a work contract is a 4-year wage freeze? Get real. This is NOT a work contract. This is a slave contract.
So the union wants a guaranteed retirement plan paid for by the non-union workers' retirement funds.
@@TheSwissChalet Whoever told you that lied to you. ILWU retirement is totally the result of ILWU / PMA contract negotiations. ILWU has never sought nor negotiated a contract with non-union workers. And then non-union workers seldom have retirement funds to even negotiate with.
thanks
Just an update from last night 6/12 operations were essentially normal rumor is there is a tentative deal no details but things have been going normally since 2nd shift 6/12.
Thanks Bryan!
I concur as I am an ILWU 13 member. All dispatch orders have been filled daily, and we have been going non-stop. Trucks are being serviced, and a few of the terminals were open Saturday so we could catch up. We moved cargo and do it efficiently.
We had meetings and no one seen or said anything about the government stepping in. Nobody is coming to help yet.
Thanks Sal for having a subjective, non partial true view ...
No multi-million, billion dollar companies want to part with their money. Greed is how they got all that money in the first place .... in most cases.
Hey Sal I just looked at the CEO of PMA's salary and it's over 1 million a year OMG
Now, while the Panama Canal is doing poorly, is the moment for the ILW to push this hard.
The agreement process should be like electing a new Pope. Put the parties in a seedy hotel (no AC no heat), no entertainment, plain food (bread and water?) and no one leaves until there is a settlement. Also no cell phones or talking to anyone outside, like the media.
This is like watching a shipwreck in slow motion.. but who in the ILWU thought it was a good idea to postpone the contract negotiation?
Pma going that
Nobody
Hi Sal, question. shouldnt be logistics always be cheap because the market will always demand cheaper better faster? comparing the cheapest air freight to the most expensive sea freight which one is better? Thanks for all the work you put in to your vidoes!
Based on a free market it should. But there are a lot of other factors at play, including government interventions and subsidies that offset costs for certain groups.
@@wgowshipping hi Sal, thanks for the reply. if disruptions occur in shipping due to wage disputes then wouldn't the excess capacity go over to air routes?
Sal, what authority does Taft-Harley give the government if it were to be used to stop a strike in the west coast ports? Some of the dockworkers jobs might be fillable by contractors on short notice, but this isn't stevedores carrying barrels, i feel like most of these jobs take a lot of experience. I can't imagine there is are enough unemployed non-union crane or forklift operators available on the west coast to get the ports moving, even if the government breaks the picket lines?
Really appreciate that I can't see you microphone or stand, much cleaner image.
Help? 😂 hi Sal!
Traffic sure is better
You understand labor, look at the price of living in California (or Seattle, for that matter), 3/4+ million dollar houses, taxes out of control, don't buy an ic car, it'll soon be illegal, electricity prices out of control (what do they power those other kinds of cars with, oh yea), truckers have to buy new trucks (oh yea, when are they going to make electric trucks the thing, oh yea, they've only made prototypes, and what are they driven by?), The west coast has made its own bed, now they have to sleep in it. I'm a retired construction worker with severe medical issues and 70 years old, the construction companies want me back to finish houses they can't sell. The economics of labor is crazy (including no one to do the work). That's just the labor side, now the government is going to step in and help?
Lunch in Bangkok with Sal
One probable outcome of this situation: WIGOWS will surpass 100,000 subscribers! 😉✌️😎
Fingers crossed!
@@wgowshipping 💯 Getting close!
I just heard that they've reached a tentative agreement. 6-14-23
100% true. Tentative agreement
I thought Pete solved the problem last Christmas with his 450 million payment for O.T.?
That's good move slow Seattle
Raise their wages.
Sal….Tenative Contract Agreement has been reached…Press Release coming….
They are talking about this 90 days for 3 months. And stocks are keep going up.
Makes me wonder if the PMA is just f*cking around with the new union chair...some "welcome to the big league" hazing
I dont visit WIGOWShipping often , but when i do , i get a headache, holy hellll
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16 containers an hour ...yeah! ... I see it all the time ... - a "Costco card" to the crane driver boosts the count to 60 containers per hour!....see how we have to constantly bribe !....it's called extortion!
Have you ever operated a crane?
@@thepeatbog Yes, i have and yes i do.... that's how i know... its my job...not trying to show off.
Sal has already pointed out your lies. It's like an extreme sport for you!
Vancouver is open and probably won't close unless prolonged closure been no contact for overva year they deserve a fair share of the money made anyone complaining they make to much should first ask themselves do I make as much as I should whete I work .
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Hi Sal! Thanks for all the good information.
@@wgowshipping T18/T30/T5 mechanics here Sal. Thank you for the great information! Love your vids!
@@Scoot4lLife Thanks for the kind words. Stay strong.
So these West Coast Port unions can slow down or strike and can affect 12% of America’s GNP and all 12% are imports NOT Made In America goods. Also these West Coast Union workers are in talks with foreign shipping magnates that have ZERO love for America and only Love Money, money that keeps going into their pockets.
Thanks for sharing Sal. By the way it has rained nearly every day in Panama in June a half inch a day.
America and Americans are in quite an existential economic mess today and they don’t even have a clue how or why. Our politicians prefer it that way and maybe most Americans do to. America is in an existential economic crisis and yet the weather, we are constantly told, is the only existential problem but for our current freeloader crop of politicians running America, they made it up and it is entirely fabricated by a political party in charge today.
What’s beyond belief for me, is our entire US and Western media are peddling this weather nonsense, while the real threat, loss of US Manufacturing and US Manufacturing jobs is our only existential economic crisis.
Press release coming soon good news people
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OK - that was my last post - i value my life !
fair and equitable... what?
Thanks, Sal. Serious and ridiculous situation. All sides need to realise they are not the only players in this scenario.
"I'm from the gubmint and I am here to help..."
Would you rather hear "Police no longer handle this...I'm a private contractor" if somebody threatens you?
@@charlesharper2357 You are asking the wrong person. I lived in California most of my life and would have preferred a private police, if any. Being lied about by police in front of a Judge wakes you up pretty quick.
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You think that private sector police making minimum wage would be better run and less likely to be bribed?
Is these are the causes of trucking going down?
Hi Sal, I’ve been working with a lot of data and algorithms lately. Do you know of any sources where I can obtain shipping data? I’d like to try working with it to better understand this situation. Thanks!
There are a batch of sites. Marinetraffic, Project44 & Spire Global
Thanks Sal. I’ll see if I can export anything from them. If I find anything useable and interesting I’d be more than happy to share it with you. My company receives approximately 1,000 TEUs of product and packaging materials from East Asian countries annually, so I’m attempting to strategize accordingly.
Double the wages, ridiculous.
A 4 year wage freeze in the midst of inflation is insane. Thats not a position, that's abuse.
Aponte family - sounds like something from Godfather II
on another note, what would be a real double hit would be if the Teamsters and the Railway Unions join in a sympathetic strike... than we will really be stuck on the coast we need.
I believe, the governments involvement is quite reasonable since this is certainly a national economy, and by extension,, security issue, however whether to send the Labor minister or the national guard is the more appropriate/effective here may be debated
I wonder how busy the container port in Lázaro Cárdena will get.
Unfortunately we the consumers will be the ones paying for all this one way or another.
SLOWING DOWN TO KEEP DEMAND UP $$$$
Oh god help us. The government is here to help.
Fact. The government is there to help the government. Not you
Perhaps the whole union/PMA fight is a nothing but a distraction away from the real situation causing this?
I heard that Pete Buttigieg might make an appearance as a mediator? Obviously, to be continued...
He wouldn’t dare leave the safety of DC😅
Isn’t he busy breastfeeding or something?
It would benefit both sides to keep the government out. Obviously a 4 year wage freeze isn’t reasonable but neither is a doubling of wages. I disagree with the Union on pension. Most of us normal people have 401ks. Not to sound anti Union but enough is enough. I’m for automation and moving to other ports. We can’t allow unions or management to threaten the entire economy of the nation. Granted neither side is acting responsibly. What I’m saying is that the long term plan needs to be to localize the impact this irresponsibility can have. LA is a sad place anyway.
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I, for one, was really hoping that both sides would've been mature enough to agree to terms on their own accord. Silly me, I guess. I once said in an earlier video that you did that I was siding more with PMA as this dragged on. Now I'm right back in the middle, declaring that both sides are in the wrong. There's no winners in any of this! This is pretty much similar to a bitter husband and petty wife rage fighting to the point where the kids (everyone else) are watching the drama unfold before our very eyes and they each look to us and say, "who do you think is right?!" And most of us are wanting to tell them, "we don't care! We just want the fighting to stop!". That's my opinion on it anyway. If I could afford to relocate to the gulf coast, I probably would. Because at least my trucking job would pay better.
Spoken like someone who's never done any kind of hard labor in their life. You should feel free to suit up and get out there to unload vessels.
@@Shredderbox every day is a struggle. Physically and mentally. My beef is NOT with the workers like you and I. It's with the ones making the decisions (or lack thereof).
@@perrine85044 yet you play the "disappointed in both sides" card, clown. The PMA has been ROLLING in money for years now, and the greedy people running the shipping companies live lavish lifestyles on the backs of people who actually do the hard work. You clearly don't stand with labor, feel free to go stand in traffic.
I dunno, it sounds to me that PMA is just pulling another scummy move
Nobody likes government intervention… 😠
Except for everybody else who are caught in the crossfire and bleeding cash...
Till they need it then it's where's my check .what took you so long etc hypocrisy
It's a 2 word problem. Cooperate Greed.
It is indeed 2 words, but those words are: currency war
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how to totally mess something up. a govt agent says i,m here to help.
Call Marlin Brando, he'll get them west coast thugs straight , on the waterfront. 😂.
Wouldn't it be the eye, el, double you, you?
Umm then fire “automation” because 13 moves an hour and management is breaking there arms patting themselves on there backs 😂
Shut down the ports or send in the National Guards to move the goods. Shippers should just go elsewhere and jack up the prices so they could make record profits