British Warrior IFV Upgrades | 40mm CANNON!
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Britain’s MCV-80/FV510 Warrior Infantry Fighting Vehicle was produced between 1984 and 1995. Built of all-welded aluminum construction and armed with the 30 mm Rarden cannon, it was designed to destroy enemy armored personnel carriers at ranges of up to 1,500m, while offering a fast, armored battlefield taxi for up to 7 infantry soldiers. These IFVs were pressurized to protect against Soviet chemical and biological weapons, and included a full range of night vision equipment. They served capably during Operation Desert Storm in 1991, were used to maintain the peace in Bosnia/Kosovo, and have found themselves in very high demand on the post 9/11 front lines.
Individual programs have improved some vehicles’ optics, radios, and add-on armor, but keeping the fleet in service until 2035 will require more extensive work. Hence the GBP 1 billion Warrior Capability Sustainment Programme (WCSP). In mid-November 2009, BAE Systems and Lockheed Martin UK submitted their bids, but the decision took almost 2 years. Fielding isn’t expected until 2018, but work proceeds.
The WCSP effort has 4 main sections; WFLIP (Warrior Fightability Lethality Improvement Programme) to improve turrets and sensors, and add firepower; WMPS (Warrior Modular Protection System) to add a modular armoring system; WEEA (Warrior Enhanced Electronic Architecture) to add a fully integrated set of modern, expandable electronics and communications gear; and ABSV (Armoured Battlefield Support Vehicle) to improve the repair and recovery variants that keep the fleet in the field.
Out of 789 Warrior IFVs received by the British military between 1987 - 1995, WCSP will upgrade 643 vehicles with WEEA electronics, and WMPS modular armoring upgrades. The latter offers a standard armor mounting system, giving the new Warriors the flexibility to fit different types of armor as future protection technology advances. Within that group, 449 vehicles (69.8%) will also get the WFLIP program’s new turret and weapon system. The remaining ABSV Warriors will be turretless, and carry out field repair and recovery roles using winch and crane attachments.
The UK MoD awarded its contract to Lockheed Martin UK in October 2011. The System Architecture Design Review was completed in November 2012.
The British Army has upgraded its Warriors to extend their service life to 2025. The upgrade included the General Dynamics UK Bowman tactical communications system and the addition of a night fighting capability in the form of the Thales Optronics battle group thermal imaging program. Until now the Warriors on duty in Estonia have been standard vehicles from the British Army training fleet with no theater-specific enhancements. The new Warriors appeared to be fitted with plates along the length of their hulls to defeat high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) warheads, which British Army sources said is designated Operational Equipment Standard 3 (OES3). This is an evolution of the theater entry standard armored packages developed for the Iraq and Afghan campaigns.
Qualification certification allows manned firing demonstration phases to begin for Britain’s FRES-Scout and WCSP programs, and for the French DGA’s EBRC wheeled light tank program. The program will work to certify the other initial ammunition types (A3B anti-aerial airburst, Point detonating and Airburst general purpose tracer rounds, and a low-cost reduced range TPPR-T training round) over the next 2 years, in time for the first delivery of the UK’s series production vehicles. The French EBRC program is expected to start full development in 2015. Sources: CTAI, “CTA International achieves Anglo-French qualification for the 40mm Cased Telescoped Cannon and Ammunition”.
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I showed this to my Dog, he's now serving in Afghanistan...
Taliban dog?
NICK THORP obviously not it is a warrior after all
@@nickthorp5790 No, he's a Corporal in the British Army. Show some respect...
@@nickthorp5790 yes
Good boy.
The Warrior Tea Transporter is often overlooked by military analysts yet it plays an important role in the morale of the Englishman at Arms. It can brew the tea on the move with its carbon water filter using the same tech as Bosch instant household hot water heaters with a manual option to rout the water through stainless tubing coiled around the upper exhaust pipe. The Tea Kettle is 416 weapons grade stainless with the same servos that balance the 40 mm cannon except it keeps the tealeaves from being sloshed and frothing the tea over rough terrain. Another benefit of the KSU (Kettle Stabilizer Unit) is keeping the tea leaves from crumbling and making the tea too bitter in conjunction with the triple filtration system. The triple filtration is through a folded T shirt of pure cotton, a cylinder of tube socks and the dust prefilter from the soldier gas mask canister. This way it can be maintained when the vehicle is at extended range from the supply chain. The Cream, Sugar and crumpet cases are still top secret but there's nothing like them in the world regarding quality, survivability, and upgradeability.
Your well funny 😄 thanks I needed a good laugh ta. I wonder where they keep the tea towels ?
Have you been on the seaweed again?
The boiling vessel…Britain’s secret weapon has the rest of the world in awe 😮
Amazing isn't it, at the start of WW2 the main anti tank gun on tanks was 37mm and they loaded it one shell at a time.
Now APC's have 40mm guns that fire on automatic...
And 30mm gatling guns that fire 3900 rounds a minute.
@@Gerbs1913 Is that 5 barrels worn out per minute with Cta 40 lol
Modern IFVs fill the roll of the light tank and APC. They scout, suppress infantry and transport them. all on a budget.
They also had 37mm auto cannon...
Yes, and many of the tanks and other armoured vehicles during the Second World War would have been no match for modern-day infantry fighting vehicles. IFV's mounting either a 30 or 40mm gun firing programmable proximity-burst rounds would have been absolute murder even on dug-in infantry.
The ground portion of the Second World War would have ended fairly quickly if somehow modern-day IFV's could have been deployed through some weird kind of time travel or time warp.
Pentagon Wars was right at some point the APCs are so focussed on fighting that the soldier have to start to walk again.
They're too cheap to actually provide the soldiers with battle taxi... haha
@@X.Y.Z.07 well if these are kept in service of course that's what they ARE for, in theory anyway
@@revolverswitch So like a floating fortress? Almost like a War Balloon, sans balloon and add wings and doing loops?
pentagon wars is genius in iit's prediction of future procuration of fighting vehicles. Amazingly.
@@revolverswitch Don't laugh. I read of one idea to repurpose C-130s or strategic bombers as missile buses with F-22s and F-35s up front as passive target detectors and terminal guidance units. All the tech in the guys up front, all the firepower (and resulting high signature) in the back spewing out missiles.
The french are installing that 40mm in their new Jaguar EBRC Recon Vehicle.
Why does warriors have no stabilization on 30mm gun? Looks like a huge disadvantage how he wiggle his gun up and down.
Simply to save space. Stabilisers take up room, and they wanted to keep the turret as small as possible. The thing was never intended to fight on the move.
I wouldn't like to load a clip of 30 mm on the move ,with a stabilised gun
In short? Theyre old
They're also manually loaded.
The gun is also a short-recoil design that's supposed to even fit armored cars.
In short, it was a bad fit.
The more I learn about the Warrior the more I think that not a single good idea was had during it's design process.
FINALLY STABILISED GUNS!!!! *ORGASM .MP3*
Finally a step into the 21st century and only two decades late :)))))
Dude thats some seriously sexy stuff
360 is a must all crew needs to be aware, the camera can be cleaned by compressed air nozzle on the lens.
They should should just give it a CITV system like the Bradley and modern tanks have. Instead of mounting cameras all over just give the commander a camera that swivels and stick a monitor hooked up to it in the troop compartment. I think that's much better than having stationary cameras all over.
@@huntforandrew But if CITV gets shot...
Multiple cameras(preferrably with overlapping views) allow on-board computer to piece together images from all cameras(cars already can do this today) for a panoramic view of the battlefield(without having a panning camera that can be hit and disabled easily).
Like this:
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But better.
Let's hope they correctly implement the chain gun correctly this time. If I remember correctly back in the 90's it was mounted upside down or something.
The chaingun is the piece that was mounted upside down
Meanwhile the USA is planning on putting a 50mm chain gun in the Bradley's replacement
Remember when the Bradley was meant to be an APC, but became a troop transport that can't carry troops, a scout vehicle that is too tall and slow to scout, and a light tank that has enough firepower to level a city block but with barely enough armor to resist a small cannon
Moop basically a tank destroyer with thin armor.
@@CharliMorganMusic I find the Panhard EBR sexier
@@CharliMorganMusic it's almost like the military realised the M113 would work fine as an APC, and what they really needed was an IFV for frontline support roles...
Except that 50 mm is just a necked out 35 mm.
Was a gunner in the 90's,that rarden was a complete pain in the arse to strip and clean. Hughes chain gun was shit as well....here's a good idea let's use a gravity fed weapon system but turn it upside down so it stretches the 762 link and jams constantly.
Its such a weird thing, on camp the name Matsimus is like armed forces legend. Everyone knows of him, even the OC. Pity about the REME part, could be worse....could be RMP ;)
Lol
Quick firing 4cm autocanon? We finally have a proper gun for the Churchill tank. When can we expect this cannon to be mounted in Mosquitos for tank busting?
ah, the Churchill, ugly as sin, Armed like a medium tank, slower than a heavy tank, as heavily armoured as a tiger and could cross terrain other tanks couldn't dream of, it worked surprisingly well all things considered.
Excellent move! The 40mm upgrade is an order of magnitude jump in hitting power...the 40mm is a sledge hammer with the right ammo. Good idea.
Not really. The cost of ammo just doubled for the tax payer.
@@robertcornelius3514 Per round, yes, but you need less rounds and individual rounds can do more.
@@robertcornelius3514 2x the bang for 2x the buck.
Or as it's British, twice the pound for... twice the pound.
40mm air burst is naaaaasty
@@Treblainebigger stick bigger bonk
Great video. I believe the 40mm weapon is referred to as CTA: case telescoped armament, where the projectile is embedded in the cartridge case.
Just a small correction: 'CTA' stands for Caseless Telescoped Ammunition.
Unless the Tea maker is upgraded too, I don't want ro hear about it
It just won't do :)
Saw this thing at tank fest this year , looks like a complete new vehicle in comparison to the current version
Great upgrade.
I'd love to see a lateral ATGM mount as well (Spike?) to give it the capability to engage heavy armor at longer ranges as well, to relief the shrunken Challeneger force a bit and stronger frontal/lateral armor/ERA/cage to counter HEAT shells and ATGMs/RPGs. It's nice to have a main weapon that can reach out and has a evil punch, but so do a lot of potentially adverserial vehicles, zo protection needs to evolve as well imho. And I'd love to see an armor protection system (Trophy or equivalent), just giving the vehicle and its crew/infantry squad that extra bit of protection. But I would totally get it, if the MoD decides not to do that and wait for a version of the AJAX arnored scout vehicle suitable for IFV, so that the turret might be transferred to that.
One point of concern; it is my understanding that the CT40 gun mainly is designed to combat lightly armored vehicles, demounted infantry and helicopters, but is less capable to do serious damage to more heavily armored IFVs at mid range, due to the loss of kinetic energy the telescopic rounds produce. I don't know wether that is true... The German Puma with its 30mm on the other hand is said to have a devastatingly hard hitting AP round, just like the CV90/35 and CV90/40, which are said to also have a bit mnore effective range against armored vehicles (up to 3.000m against 2.000m for the CT40). Can't seem to be able to find enough data on the CT40 though...
Since they are upgrading the turret and during GW2 they mounted MILAN on the turrets of a few Warriors I would have expected it to be a capability to be added later just to shift costs a bit, it would be a nice addition though
@@chaz8758 Agree, you never know when ypu run into an angry MBT. If that occurs it's always nice to know one has something at hand to match that big boom stick of his (grin). Preferably something with a bit more range than the Javelin, since that requires operating well within range of its gun (ad thermal imaging sights), something I never felt comfortably with operating the M-47 Dragon in my time with the armor infantry (with only 1.100m of range, well within the range of a coaxial MG).
@@Pincer88 Javelin is being updated with twice the range.
@@bradleyanderson4315 That's excellent news. Thanks for the update.
New systems on is fantastic.
But dear god that turret looks awful
@Charles Yuditsky Looks way worse than a leo 2 lol
i think it looks fine reminds me of the Cromwell
@Charles Yuditsky Cromwell
@@GI.Jared1984 At least the cromwells symmetrical
It doesn't have to look nice. It has to work.
It's been hard to keep track of this one. 245 will receive the upgraded turret and electronics, another 100 the upgraded electronics and then the rest will have the turret removed and turned into battlefield taxis. So how many will that be in total?
I can't upgrade everything tight budget got to pay for that NHS
@@sunnycat69 I know I've just been trying to work out would it have just been cheaper to scrap them and order another 240 ajax for £1bn. LM was pissed away a lot of money redesigning turrets because they thought they could install the cta cannon on the original. Never should have been selected over BAE, it was just to prove a point over the nimrod and astute screw ups.
@@sunnycat69 Fuck you.
The RARDEN's 30mm round travels at 1000m/s
The new 40x255mm for the CTAS40 goes 1600m/s
If you include the heavier projectile that is a _considerable_ increase in how hard you're hitting
I wonder what the penetration is.
probably in excess of 100mm RHS equivalent up close, will mostly depend on the warhead at any feasible range. Would not be surprised if ATGMs form the anti-armour punch and the 40mm becomes anti-structure/sensor based fragmentation for infantry.
140 mm RHA at 1500 meters. Not very much for a 40 mm but that is because it focuses on HE and airburst payload increase, not KE penetration.
Yep… got cancelled. We will no longer have a tracked IFV. Replacing it will Boxer ffs!!!😂
Why is that Warrior shooting at a Punch & Judy show?
Cos "thats the way they do it!"
Hey, you never know, those glove puppets could be insurgents in disguise!
All the new ifv's are getting bigger guns. Those take bigger rounds, and so you can carry LESS Ammunition. Is that truly the way to fight?
Caseless is not the same as telescopic.. Caseless means no shell case and telescopic means that the round is squeezed to a smaller diameter in the barrel.. 1940s technology...
If this was a serious upgrade suitable for immediate use.. it would have at least a quad pack of javalin missiles.. and an active defence system.... that's not giving it any extension of service life.. just to make it useful right now...
Don't get cocky people, it's not going to happen.. Boxer is replacing the warrior perfectly...
From the future....
Since the Ajax programme appears to be on the verge of being discontinued, why don't the British Army take a bunch of upgraded Warriors and turn them into recce variants? The rear troop compartment could be converted into a workstation area for an observer/radio operator/systems operator. Meanwhile, the commander commands the vehicle and the gunner engages targets when necessary and also acts as a second observer.
I like the idea, it makes sense, so the MOD won't go with it...
So Lockheed will develop a system bae will adapt the system then the mod will spend the next 10 years ironing out the kinks
Will we ever get rid of this cold war beast? I think the M.O.D are hanging onto the Warrior like some tattered old, mangy but much loved family dog.
A fully stabilised 40mm gun upgrade, auto loader, updated fire control system, better all round visibility, alongside upgraded armour will keep the Warrior around for years to come. 🇬🇧🇬🇧✌✌
Mini leopard 2, turret, however as an engineer ive always had questions about the ammo capacity and fire rate of that new cannon.
or..Or they could have gone with the cv940C ;) or New cv9040 MkIV
I hope the American Bradley gets something big like a 50 mm or 37 mm
Why not just get the better CV with an most reliable gun.. The CV/90
CV9040 forever
Helt rätt
That project is not going to happen anymore...🤦♂️
Still needs a ATGW system to combat MBT's when they will inevitably come across them.
The sound of that 40mm, I’d hate to be on the receiving end of that! I have an allergy to 40mm rounds.
It's a dead end move. Americans are upgrading to 50mm and are developing a whole range of very impressive rounds for it. 40mm is surely a great cannon but why reinvent the wheel and stand out when instead of just joking a well funded and futureproof XM913 program?
Because 50 means that you can carry less bullets with you.
So they will get stabilized guns now? Neat, welcome to the 1980s.
40 years is not bad at all mate: two decades to think about it until the end of one century, and 20 years to get it done in the next century.
Guns were stabilised from mid WWII onwards....
Bruh, stabilized guns is already in use since WW2 with one of the first user is the M4 Sherman.
@@gigihsetiawanp62 Different kind of stabilization, and that only makes this vehicle look even worse.
Stabilization did not become standard until the 1980s, and as we see - even afterwards vehicles without stabilized guns exist.
@@rolandlee6898 But you only specify stabilized gun without adding more context to it, which means my comment is still right.
That new armour had also better be able to stop RPG's at the very least and give at least PROTECTION against IED's otherwise what's the point
Its existing armour is defence against RPG as it has always deployed with its chobham add on at least
@@chaz8758 if you say so, we seem to have lost a lot in Iraq and Afghanistan to such threats though
Well what RPG? RPG-7? Easy. RPG-29? No way in hell.
@@1IbramGaunt We lost a few in Afghanistan due to IED same as in Iraq, they also added cage/bar armour to the vehicles.
@@jonny2954 It's not the weapon that matters its the round it fires, modern RPG7 rounds are much more powerful to the original RPG7 HEAT rounds as they got improved fuses, tandem warheads (PG7V) , improved warhead designs.
Warriors have survived hits from many RPG's over their life so far, with their original armour (as first deployed to the former yugoslavia) to the later additional bar/cage armour/protection. I suspect you have no knowledge of what weapon and round was fired at what vehicles, nor the effect on the Warriors, I have seen first hand Warriors, Spartan and Land rover struck by RPG (only the Land rover was damaged - written off as the round hit the engine block frontally).
The RPG29 is still just fires a HEAT warhead as its main anti armour warhead (but is not the only warhead for it) - with increases in protection it has been supplemented or replaced by more effective weapons like the RPG32.
Big turret, small gun. Techporn.
I say re-engine the M4 Sherman (we've still got lots in Cosmoline), extend the crew compartment rearward, add three more seats . . . thermal imagers . . . think of how inexpensive spare parts would be! You might even downgun it to a reliable autocannon (I love the 40mm/L60 of course) . . . or regun it with the new Bofors 57mm . . . lots of room, lots of armor, a good turn of speed . . .
Heck! Do the same thing with Churchill Mk IX! A 750hp Gas Turbine (about the same size as the twin lorry motors of the original), fit a few extra seats in, a la AVRE, and arm the turret with a PAIR of 40mm Bofors guns . . . thermal imagers . . . a satellite uplink . . . I mean, imagine the enemy's reaction to a 40mph, 150mm armored, Churchill!
That's not actually very good these days. Many autocannons can go through 50-150mm of steel pretty easily
@@alexdunphy3716 not if you stick ERA over that in turn they can't
@@alexdunphy3716 Well, I haven't seen that happen yet. I am happy to hear an opposing idea, of course. RHA is still RHA, I think.
Sounds like a fun plastic model kit bash as it's called. Like a P-47 with Bullpup or Hellfire missiles.
Thanks for a considered response. I appreciate your point, but beg to differ. I cite the overreaching price of new tech. Old refits are far cheaper, in many notable cases. Not all, of course. But, when you have tens of thousands of an old tech item still in inventory . . . it brings down the price a lot.
Mat i thought MOD had stopped this upgrade?
BAE is now german.now they can finaly make good tanks
I’m 16 and am currently just waiting for my medical details to come back and I am waiting for a date for selection, I am very excited about joining. I have applied to be a REME and I would like to know more about basic training at 16
Do some push ups, pull ups, flutter kicks, situps, and burpees till you want to puke, and then, run till you do.
Don't worry. By the time Capita process your application you'll be about 23 anyway.
Hello Matsimus - I think the UK could have upgraded the Warrior ages ago and with considerably less cost and fuss. A new or modified turret with an existing, fully-stabilized 30mm dual-feed cannon, mated to new thermal sights and a fire control system using mainly off-the shelf components from UK suppliers, could have put plenty of people to work and given the Army an low-risk 80-90% solution a decade or more ago. (You could have been firing air-burst munitions at the dushmen behind cover.) Agreed that the CTIA 40 mike-mike is cool, but it comes at great cost and at the expense of timeliness. Why pursue a gold-/platinum-plated solution when there are so many other capability enhancement programs that need resources? A lost opportunity to marry economy with practicality, IMO.
I like these new cartridge schemes. You can put a larger caliber explosive round, or use a sabot instead of the classic necked down caliber cartridge, and you can do it in the same [ammo] space.
Comparable canon with the French Jaguar. Idealy combined with medium range ATK missiles for attacking stronger targets, like MBTs
But why would a camera be any more susceptible to dust than a pariscope?
It might focus on the dust on the lens, not on the dude with the rpg, whereas the mk1 eyeball can look past specs of dust to see him
Also periscopes have wipers on.
Cameras and tv screens inside are a distraction.
@tvercetti1 what does SMH mean.
@tvercetti1 Yes, they are.
@tvercetti1 Thanks for agreeing with me. You know it makes sense!
Post just as I unlock this in war thunder! Thanks Mat!
Winston Churchill the cally 2 and warrior are so good on war thunder. Im working on getting the stormer and phantom
@@killagamez4619 They're good, but both support vehicles. Currently the Vickers is Britains best top tier vehicle as it fits the meta of the game. Mobility.
Eddy S true. Chally 2 is good at that wave mode against AI because you hull down most of the time
More toys for the boys! I think it needs a couple of Wizz bangs on the side for MBT's otherwise that 40 is only gonna chip paint.
You’d be surprised, the CT40 is probably quite potent against armour. It fires a tungsten APFSDS round and because it’s cased telescopic ammunition it’s very high velocity. It’s primary role is obviously fire support for the infantry, therefore the HE and HEVTF are probably more useful. It’s not designed to go toe-to-toe with MBT’s but would probably put up a good fight at medium to short ranges, the small APFSDS round fired in large quantities would smash barrels and optics, as well as ripping tracks and fuel tanks. The small rounds would also sneak their way in through turret ring gaps and similar universal weak spots. From the side, the 40mm CTA APFSDS would absolutely destroy tanks and other armoured vehicles. However, it’s unlikely that these Warriors would face any MBT’s without the aid of the Apache Longbow or the Challenger 2, which are designed to kill tanks.
Need more Dakka!
For the Emperor (wrong universe)!
erm, I mean, For Queen and country!
As a Swede , im positivly suprised that the British upgrade to 40mm , and glad that they join the 40 mill family. I would have guess british would follow the yanks and go 50 mill.
to me this move to ever larger and heavier cannons seems counter productive. There's the tempting advantages of greater punch and range. But at the cost of greater weight and fewer shells between having to back out of a battle and return to reload. Also the added burden on the logistical supply lines with too many types of ammo. Also, some of the wheeled vehicles, Boxer, may struggle to be armed with such heavy cannons. I, as a yank, hope we can restrain from going over to the 50 mm. If we adopt the same 40 mm, it would help from the logistical stand point and hopefully keep the weight of the cannon and its shells from creating more problems than it solves. I'm also reminded of world war 2, with regards to the German Puma. The German officers knew it wasn't a tank, and it only weighted in at 11 tons, yet it couldn't cope with Shermans' that weighted 3 times as much.
Hopefully the officers' who send these light weight vehicles into battle don't send them into situations that are otherwise suicidal. In the heat of battle, officers will often give in to temptation and employ these vehicles recklessly. A lot of those Puma crews, out of desperation of officers, where sent into combat situations the vehicle was never designed for and died like flys.
@@davidbridges3292 I can see your point , however its not the main gun thats supposed to engage enemy MBT or heavy stuff , its the dismounted infantry , and in emergency they can use the onboard missile system(at least in Sweden). And if they encounter something less then a MBT they can be offensive and take the initiative (in theory). But all the "light" stuff are also getting more armour (APC, IFV, even artillery) that in turn require more punch to able to have effect on target. But logistics is gonna turn into a nightmare if your gonna have 7-8 or more types of ammo. But I think modern military do recognize that you might need to send in IFV to stop tanks and thus we have IFV instead of APC's in most modern countries.
@@davidbridges3292 We Swedes have known this for 30 years, welcome to the club. By the way our IFV as known as CV90 is for sale if you want to buy it brits / americans.
Hence the need for IFV's that are really mobile and here CV90 is king. It can carry 8 soldiers and it has good speed and mobility to do this task, spread out your infantry.
This is also why the CV90 has become so popular I think. Most western militaries have realized this and rather go for mobility with IFV's instead of main battle tanks.
The CV9040 drops off troops within 0-50m from the enemy position, or simply drives up to it and let's the troops fight mounted.
In Afghanistan it was apparently tremendously deadly. The Danish or Norwegians were caught in some kind of fight/ambush and they annihilated the enemy.
The Warrior could not have performed too well in Afghanistan, we lost the war remember?
Yes that’s right men wearing pajamas carrying small arms defeated you.
It’s not being done right....increasing weight of the Turret, Gun, ammo, computer systems, sights. Increase in profile.
No upgrade to the transmission, suspension etc. The rabbit it about to become the turtle.
None of the Videos show the classic Cold War 48mph across a shitty terrain, needed to dodge an RPG or fulfill its offensive role
AJAX should have replaced warrior, then again Ajax is a overweight POS too.This is meeting CV90 standards 2 decades too late.
They’re also ONLY replacing 325 hulls with the upgrade. Of which only 260 will be fully upgraded with turrets.
325/789 That’s a fucking joke. Once you realise that shits going to be scattered across the UK and BATUS with about 20 different supply chains to handle the now 3 different states of warrior, let alone the 6 types of warrior vehicle.
How come the Brits are going to 40mm when it looks like the Americans are going to 50mm? Is it because of British industry's close cooperation with the Swedish IFV manufacturers?
There were some glaring omissions in this vid. It drove me a little crazy while I was watching it.
You did not explain the revolutionary nature of the cased telescoped 40x255mm ammuniton for the gun. The projectile is entirely inside the case, with nothing projecting beyond the case mouth. This makes the 40X255mm ammo significantly shorter than conventional 40x365nnR ammo used in the Bofors L/70; the former being about half the length of the latter. That compactness saves a huge amount of space in a vehicle where space is a critical and scarce commodity.
The gun itself is equally revolutionary. It uses a rotating breech system that makes the gun incredibly compact for a 40mm autocannon. The 40x255mm CTWS is the same size and weight as the 25x137mm chain gun in the Bradley IFV, an amazing technical achievement. The gun and its feed system has proven to be extremely reliable and easy to maintain. Its accuracy is outstanding. The CTWS offers a 200 rpm firing rate, as opposed to the 90 rpm rate of the Rarden. This makes the CTWS more effective when engaging aerial targets like groups of attack helos or drone swarms.
Further, you stated that the 40x255mm CT ammo had "a bit more punch" than the 30x170mm Rarden round. I guess I can write this off to typical British understatement, but you should have provided a bit more perspective on this. The Rarden fires a 360g HE projectile while the CTWS fires a 1kg HE projectile; nearly three times as heavy. The frag saturation area of the CTWS HE shell is ~8 times as large as that of the Rarden. The Rarden APDS round can penetrate ~55mm of RHA.EQ while the CTWS APDS round can penetrate ~175mm of RHAEQ. The 40x255mm round also can provide an airburst that saturates a 125 m² area with high velocity tungsten pellets. As you can see, the CTWS represents a quantum improvement in performance over the Rarden.
One last thing.... You at one point in the vid described the CTWS ammo as "caseless". It is telescoping case, not caseless. I suspect you understood this and just mispoke, so no worries.
..OK. The Network upgrade is designed to share targets between infantry, armored & air units. Think of Warrior selecting a target for lock-on for a AH-64 Longbow firing AT's or APKWS modified 2.75 inch rockets (makes them guided). The CTA System is far more lethal than you made out. The amo bins will currently handle an Anti Armour round that almost doubles the kinetic damage of a 40mm round... that is it's effect on Armour plate is closer to the penetration of an 80mm round. The second deployed round is a SMART shrapnel round that can be fused to a specific distance. Blow a hole in a wall, the second burst round shreds the occupants... pretty nasty. As for the Boxer... Personally I thought the BAE Alligator program offered a more useful/modular solution.
For what they spent on the Warrior upgrade they probably could have installed Kongsberg Turret with 30mm fully stablised gun. Might stll end up doing that if things in Ukraine turn nasty
So the russian are getting theyr 57mm autocannons on more AFVs, the americans are planning to put 50mm cannons on theyr next IFV and the british have just upgraded to 40mm. I agree that 25mm is no longer enough for modern combat, but is this the end of 30mm auocannons too?
Because i still belive that a 30-35mm is good enough, especially if paired with an ATGM launcher, bit it seems a lot of armies are trying to stay away from massive ATGM use because of how expensive they are. Maybe IFVs will go to the bigger sized autocannons while APCs will keep the 30mm ? Recently there has been also a push to put 120mm low recoil cannons in more AFVs, is that a response to the elevated cost of ATGMs?
it really doesnt make sense to upgrade this 35 year old vehicle with insufficient armor protection for the modern battlefield with a new turret while at the same time buying a much more survivable vehicle for the recon role. should have just replaced the warrior with ascod ifvs/ajax. and to top it all of they will be fielding the boxer in the apc role which is significantly better armored too.
It needs a robotic MK-19, so it can fill the destruction gap between a FFAR "Spend-X" and a full MLRS area removal and relocation action. The advertisement video would be set to the song Block Rockin' Beats, by The Chemical Brothers.
If I have it correct? There were circa 740 vehicles originally, but they were looking to upgrade only around 380+ vehicles due to they are not all the same type and some were lost in Iraq and Afghanistan (what have they replaced the lost ones with)? Down the even more downgrades in personnel, the number is now 265 or lower(ish)?
The latter shows the short-sightedness in not keeping Army numbers up and they’ve wound industry down so much, anyone with good track record has a job, meanwhile there’s a bloody long queue of hardware that needs manufactured the T26 Global Combat Ship is getting behind in its production.
I know they intend upgrading Challenger II MBT, from what you can read on the Internet, you would think it’s already the poorest MBT out there and that upgrade is as much use as planting a vagina on the back of a Elephant!
Is it really worth doing these upgrades when the entire vehicle is not manufactured with the infallibilities we know it has today and produced a range of other vehicles to do specialist jobs?
Keep the great work up mate, I only use you as the source for your well researched, experience and opinions rather the others out there talking S.h.1.t.e
I watched a video, Tanks became obsolete in 1976 but they keep making them because they are good for business. Tanks are vulnerable to Depleted Uranium Rounds, which cook the crew inside the tank. These Tank vidoes are just Boy Town Fantasies. You're going to have to make Peace with people in future, and not just bomb them to fuck.
cameras get coated in dirt...didn't realize cupola windows and bulletproof glass and periscopes were immune to dirt...interesting. If only there was some way to spray down lenses and wipe them off...omg i think i just invented windshield wipers and windshield sprayers! I'm gonna be rich!
seriously though, matsimus, what affects cameras also affects every other way of seeing out of a tank. your logic is stupid. put a windshield on the cameras and shut up. or have backups. i can buy 100 15 megapixel phone cameras for 1 dollar each. That's the cost of idling the vehicle for 20 minutes.
still giving you a like. you're the best!
I don't understand why governments spend billions on new hardware if they already have a good platform can't they just retrofit it with improved equipment, weapons and software?
So the Warrior is getting an upgrade to the 2-pounder gun. Excellent. Now they just have to make sure it has a capable HE round because the Matlida proved an infantry support vehicle should have them.... LOL!!
40 mm and 50 mm guns are better for fighting armored vehicles because most have frontal protection up to 30 mm and their range is from 4 to 5 km, but they are also worse for fighting infantry, you can have less ammo with you and the rate of fire is smaller. If you use air burst ammo its more expensive ... I wouldn't equip all of them with those, I would even equip some with 12 mm or 7 mm for pure ammo count increase. Next step will be APC's increase armor protection and then you might as well have a tank ...
40mm bofors maybe?
Matt, isn’t the role of IFV’s, is to deposit ground personal safely to encounter the enemies troops, looks like she’s fast, but the troops in the back have concussions. Plus no matter the size of gun on the turret, with today’s armor packages on a main battlefield tank, that’s just gonna piss them off and now it’s a target when there’s other tank killer platforms that could and should be deployed with this vehicle to handle those threats . Lastly, why has there been the development of an angled armor, wider IFV, doesn’t need to be like the piece of 💩 BMP, just sloped armor like the WWII Panthers
Its light , its agile and its aluminium, I give credit to those who place their lives fighting in these vehicles. And this question comes up again and again, why? this its not at all disrespectful to those men and maybe also women that rely on this vehicle. I don't understand the UK MOD and why it is letting its forces down in so many ways. Some may argue its not and , some may agree , but there seems to be a retraction in there mind set, in not supplying and getting what it is needed for it's troops whether it is on land or sea.
Or are we seeing old stuffy lordships making overriding decisions that make no sense.
Their are vehicles in which the MOD could buy, such as the boxer, it is modular , it can to be configured in many ways like Ambulances and other weapons add-on's depending on its mission etc. The bush master is one of the safest troop carrying vehicle around and reconansense missions can be configured to carry up to a 40 mm . The LYNX KF41 medium tracked armour vehicle that mixes well with heavy.
I am just wanting the best for the UK just like many others out there . If the MOD is thinking of removing its heavy tanks overtime, then maybe it is time to make a new home grown light amour vehicle that could be placed in a few variants just like the Lynx having anti tank hunters, make them well armoured but still light with a mixture of Armor-piercing rounds and field ammunition with a turret that can be swapped in and out having ammunition automatic loaders etc. Or Is it because that some of these are German and not British made . There may come a time soon when time it self , has run out . just my thoughts
I think the US military learned that the 25mm mounted on their vehicles was simply just not powerful enough to shoot through the walls of the mortar/cement walls used by builders in Iraq.
2021, no sign of the new vehicles, meanwhile, current battalion's fleet of warriors has suffered staggering amounts of break downs and no replacement parts or vehicles have been seen since 2019.
Questioning the idiots who handle the budget for the army, what's the point in modernizing our vehicles if we don't even have any to work with in the first place ?
I'd like to see one of those afv's, with a belt fed 40mm grenade launcher instead of a gun barrel, forgive me if im wrong, but wouldnt an ammo tin with a complete belt of grenades, only take up the same space as say two main gun rounds?
If im correct, that would mean you can carry a lot more ammo 🤔
Ok, so it would never be good against tanks, but as a personel support vehicle it would be great wouldnt it?
Is it still in the british army like under WW2,what the German army thought abouth the brits:
"the british soldiers are like Lions on the Battlefield ruled by donkeys(oficials)!!..
or is it better now??
You can talk about how amazing These things are but frankly there are very few AFVs in the British park like 200 or so... THAT'S IT.
look like a cromwell turret
Upgrade to 30mm or 35mm fine! Bigger than that size,less ammo to carry,if it can't handle, use ATGM instead!🔥
What I can't work out is why we need all these Vehicles, hundred of Warrior upgrades, hundreds of Boxers, hundreds of Ajax's and all the other existing personnel carriers that we have when there are fuck all infantry left. If the British army gets much smaller it will only need four or five double decker buses for troop transport.
Maybe they should concentrate more on crew and cargo survivability instead of the boom booms. it is supposed to be an APC, its main enemy is RPG's and IED's but the hull still has an outdated flat profile and bolt-on side cages when it gets to the frontline.
If the brits and Americans upgrade to a 40 and 50mm then the Russians will surely retrofit their t15 kurganets and boomerangs to the modular 57mm turrets
No discussion how BAE got screwed over and should have won the competition. LM won with a lowball offer using a turret upgrade solution. BAE insisted from the start that entirely new turret was needed and lost the competition, because their all new turret design was more expensive. LM then wasted years and several hundreds million pounds in a turret upgrade solution. Finaly, LM admitted an entirely turret was needed and their turret is now a fully new turret based on Rheinmetall's Lancer turret. Who lost out, the British soldier and second the British taxpayer.
Over a £billion to upgrade 260 warriors and no ATGM or active protection.... what a friggin waste of £££
Should've contracted with Bofors for the whole thing: would have had a better gun that would have a longer service life, in a better turret & other system improvements, for half the price, and vehicles would already be being upgraded.
But the Royal Army wanted to get rid of tanks? Pretty goddamn stupid idea. Tanks and Infantry are supposed to work with one another. Those "boots on the ground" require that kind of support.
Nice footage, well produced video, interesting content but needs a different narrator. He pronounces thirty as "thirdy" in a really fucking annoying half American accent.
Wonder whether it will eventually upgraded again with the new XM913 cannon being used by the US army...
Yeah? Well the US is considering switching the 25mm Bushmaster cannons on the Bradley to 50mm Bushmasters
@Matsimus Can you do a video on Lockhead's 50mm Cannon,if you haven't already?
40 mm cannon
Four missles
Chain gun and gpmg and heavier armour there you go formable platform
i am glad to see the brits move to a belt fed system for their IFVs, like every other NATO nation has. also glad to see the challenger 2 apparently getting an upgraded turret with a 120mm smooth bore gun, like every other NATO nation has. no more separate loading round and charge bag.
Can you take a look at the german Wiesel tank?
Yes
He did some time ago... plus its obsolete
@@adamleddy9894 In my opinion it´s really helpfull against terrorist or shooting rampage. In small streets of villages or towns against bad guys without anti tank weapons would it be great. You can drive this thing even in a shopping mall.
Not from this distance.......
I am curious have you heard if a game called squad and do you play it? because that game does feature both the British and Canadian factions and it does pit them against the Russian and insurgent factions both in infantry and armour combat and for the British, it does feature the warier platform and I would like to know how accurate you think that depiction is in the game.
Seeing the direction most apcs are going, I wonder if there'l be demand for a basic but still decently armourded battlefield taxi like the Patria 6x6 that's currently being developed.
Land Rover and Humvee battlefield replacement vehicles
Great video, however anything but an autoloading 40 mm seems stoneage. Only downside with 40 mm is a limited number of rounds.
How many troops will it be able to carry? Has it had to sacrifice what it was intended to do which was be a troop carrier, so it can have a bigger gun? Bigger gun means bigger turret right? So where does the more space come from?
Heard the upgrade programme might be getting scrapped due to costs, which is not surprising as it's been going on since 2011.
America is upgrading from 25mm to 30mm,
Brit are upgrading to 30mm to 40mm(!!)
I don't know the deeper details. What I vaguely understand is the hulls aluminium is basically de-laminating. I really like Warrior. If they are really clapped out, prefer to see some new ones made.
What other armour has Warrior had to fight against that it hasn’t been able to overcome? Seems reasonable to upgrade it (wasn’t it designed in the 1970’s) but it appears to have been very sensibly operated and upgraded over its service life.