I should have also mentioned that in some of the matchings people would also get married to deceased people and attend ceremonies while holding a picture of their deceased spouse.
Why? I don’t understand the purpose of such a marriage. I mean, if you marry a dead person then there would be no means to produce children for the church.
There are similar things in Mormonism. My aunt married into that and by the end she was getting baptized over and over in order to "save" her deceased Christian parents and other dead ancestors.
As a former Moonie myself, I find this interview refreshingly informative without the boilerplate psychological trauma associated with cult involvement by the corporate media. Keep up the good work!
sorry to be so offtopic but does anybody know a trick to get back into an instagram account..? I was stupid forgot my password. I would appreciate any tricks you can give me!
This podcast has been needed for a while, finally, someone is talking about what matters and exposing a false cult that has manipulated and abused people. I pray that this podcast blesses those who grew up in the Unification Movement (like myself), and find their way to the one and only true Christ. Soli Deo Gloria!
@@hannacastaneda8219 Hello Hanna, thank you for your message, not sure where I want to go with my story, I know you, as you said, wish to know perhaps what happened, from being in the clutches of darkness to giving my life to Jesus ( 1980 ). Seems like distant history but to me, just like it was last week, sounds corny but relevant and tangible to my very being, it moulded- what I am. It has been a very, very long time since those moonie times but if you would like more information, be it from my perspective / story, I can, maybe, help understanding how God, graciously, patiently, lovingly, saved me. I must go 1am here, take care, Doug Miller
@@hannacastaneda8219 Hey so I am a Christian and an ex-moonie. I was also 2nd Gen too :). I'd love to touch base at some point. This interview was really cool for me because a lot of what you said really related to me and I haven't found any exmoonies who are now following Jesus.
Listening to this makes me so thankful that i grew up in a Christian family! It makes you realize how loving God is and how he doesn't require all of these bizzarr ritualistic things be done to have salvation.
In 1981 I met a young man who had been a member of the Moonies in Florida. (I lived in Texas.) He told me about his escape. He was actually afraid to be caught leaving but I do not remember why. Anyhow, he told me that one day he just walked out of the house and went and turned the corner and broke into a run and just ran as fast and as far as he could, with basically nothing but the clothes on his back. I also saw a letter that was sent out to people who had been paired with people they had never met to marry. I wish I had kept notes on that letter. It was really strange.
I snuck out at 2 am and made it to grand central station, caught a bus back home to Ca. Always kept money hidden in my sock just in case. Was with them for less than two months. Seemed awesome at first, seemed stupid really quickly later. Late 70's
Thank You for this video. You can not find me in any records, by my present name, if you were to look into my 18 year membership with The Moonies. I was a member from '74 to '92. I ran across them at their Fast, across from the U.N. for the Japanese Wives of Korean repatriot s. That is when I joined the Fast and then went to and through workshops at Barrytown N.Y.. (3,3,3, 7,7, 21, 21, 21, 40, 40 and 120 day workshops). I spent years working at the New Yorker Hotel and took part in the Madison Square Garden Mass Marriage, (spent first 5 years apart before the last 5 years together.) Worked at Belvedere Estate, as well as working at building his new house on the East Garden Estate, I worked on the Washington Monument Rally, And many MFT teams Fundraisings across the country, etc., etc.!
Sorry to hear that you left True Parents. Something happened to you that caused you to become influenced by Satan, somewhere you gave up or you weren't able to understand God and True Parents. Your record in your comment is important to consider as a learning for everyone, that Satan is working and is looking for ways to take you out, regardless of how long and dedicated one can be. It's possible however for you to rekindle yourself with the New Truth and find your way back to True Parents.
I've only dabbled with a few Cultish episodes but I'll admit, as an atheist, it's pretty curious to have devout Christians s*****ing on cults using their own doctrine. Like. Zero dots being connected here that just because your life isn't controlled in the same way, you're still believing something that doesn't stand up to scrutiny in the same way as religious cults. Just because it's older and mainstream doesn't make it any more true.
Beliefs are something we all have. When you forced or manipulated into one it's a different things. For a Christian a cult is any belief that goes against the general and fundamental doctrines of Christianity.
So many questions! So her parents were not affectionate with each other, they were brought together through their devotion to Moon. But they left the church when Hana was 14? Was it just her that left mentally, or did they all leave? Are the parents still in the church? Or any of her siblings? Has the parents’ marriage survived until now? How has being raised like that influenced her own relationships? It’s hard to understand how a marriage relationship can survive being built solely on this religion.
Hanna here!:) My parents were brought together by Moon. My parents didn't leave the church when I was 14, we moved our family life to living in a public environment in a church setting where I "studied" mainly Moons philosophy. Parents and most of family still believing fundamental doctrines of Unification Church. One sister of mine got saved shortly after me.
@@hannacastaneda8219 I know many who decided to disassociate themselves from the movement for their own reasons, I can't agree with you on much of this because I also grew up in the movement and they way you describe it doesn't sound anything like the one I know
@@seven-ttoo5233 i understand, yes I think I may have mentioned somewhere that I didn't have a typical experience of a second gen because of the programs I was involved in. Everyone has their story. God bless you
@@hannacastaneda8219 Deepest apologies for my earlier rant. It's all about God. At least you have faith in God, regardless of where the worship takes place. Sometimes it is better to take a detour to keep a stable give and take with the Almighty.....I was just mad because nobody gives people within the movement much chance of giving their side of the story, but like I also said I'm super glad you believe in God.
Fast: They do the three day, then the seven day, then a 21 day and finally a 40 day fast. No solid food, just water. It is based on old testament and new testament texts. However: It is not required, and the vast majority of members don't do all of it, maybe just the three day, some none at all. Fundraising: Many members would lie about for whom they sold the flowers, because they were afraid of prosecution. Some members had experiences of being physically assaulted when people realized they were Moonies. Also, they thought that many people would not buy the flowers if they were told "We are members of UC."
the correct thing to do in court is to listen to both sides, the accused and the accuser, right? in this podcast it would have been great and highly rated to have interviewed not only hannh but also a permanent member of the church, that way the public would have heard both sides, and you as interviewers would have also benefited from hearing the other side, that is the RIGHT thing to do
Anyone who has NOT read the entire original book "The Divine Principle" will easily give their personal point of view on a subject that they do NOT know 100% about, and it is a shame that the guest has NOT understood the teachings of the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, her answers clearly show that she has interpreted things her way or they have been told to her, whatever it is, the book is available and FREE for everyone to read, RESEARCH and analyze, which is the right thing to do, right?
Psalm 2:2-4 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying, "Let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us." He who sits in the heavens laughs; the Lord holds them in derision.
Hanna I’m so grateful to God that he has saved you from all this! This is so fascinating. You’re such a sweet and beautiful girl thank you for educating us!
@@iamhwp888 if Japan will persecute UC, Japan will have a huge misfortune, possibly serious natural disasters, earthquakes, as it happened in 1995. I don’t wish Japan any disasters, but if Japan will do this, … God will not like it.
There should be a group that people who were members, myself included, could seek help by expressing what we've been through. It really was an incredible sacrifice.
At minute 49:33 she talks about fundraising. The main reason for this was because Reverend Moon wanted the members to learn to be self-sufficient. To learn to UNDERTAKE their economic life, just as there are many people who study to be professionals, there are also people who like to start businesses, right? And many are ashamed of selling on the street, of course today, people prefer to become youtubers, be influencers or sell online, but let's put ourselves in times past, when technology was not as widespread as it is today, wasn't learning to sell on the street a good way to teach how to become economically independent? It is also what many millionaires teach today, or not? There is nothing wrong with fundraising or do you think that because it is a "church" everything has to be "free"? Wherever we go, everything is "paying" and we don't complain, why complain about a "church"???
at minute 42:43, an ordinary person who does not know "The Divine Principle" will NOT know where he will go after dying, he is unaware of the situation, but someone who has read this book for the first time and with great respect for God, at least has an idea of where he will go after dying. let us not forget that after dying, a person remains at a certain spiritual level for eternity as a consequence of his life on earth, in other words, how much love he has given to his neighbor on earth, so... we are all in time to change our bad thoughts, our bad words and our bad actions into good ones, why? because we are still ALIVE, after death there is NO opportunity for forgiveness or anything like that. Our conscience will direct us to our spiritual level after we die: atheists, agnostics, poor, rich, liars, corrupt, professors, etc., we will all go to the spiritual world after we die, only those who have fulfilled the 3 blessings will be able to go to the kingdom of heaven in the spiritual world.
As a young African girl born into this movement ( which surprisingly has the highest membership in the world)i can totally relate to this video.I’m still processing my freedom out of there but it hasn’t been an easy journey. The AFRICAN IDEOLOGY OF THE UNIFICATION CHURCH IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, very pathetic. It is ABSOLUTE OBEDIENCE PERIOD!!! You dnt ask questions, you follow your church leaders direction. You made to believe the Koreans are the chosen ones then the Japanese are in like the eve position then the Americans and Europeans and lastly ( as expected) the Africans , black people are like back benchers in the kingdom of heaven 😂😂I dnt know but that was total bullshit I never got it .even as little as 10 I always argued with my mum about that mentality and you are made to belive you are kinda special on top of that . I got true awakening when I actually came to Korea ( the chosen nation apparently 😂🤷♀️) not only did I discover how racist these guys are towards the AFRICAN MEMBERS ESPECIALLY (I’m still blown away by the level of faith they got)but I also found out about so many disgusting things that I cnt even begin to list them out here ( I’m not so good at expressing myself by texting) so il just leave things as such . The last straw was when they sent text messages to every member to pray for TRUMPS VICTORY During the US elections. I was like that’s it I’m OUT 😂😂😂😂 Sadly my mum is still praying for my lost soul 😔 I pray she finds true awakening someday
A private revelation = made it up in his head. Thank you for defining terms because I do feel we've gotten lazy and people say a lot of big words I don't think they really understand the true meaning. 💚
From a spiritual and scriptural stance it’s entirely possible some of these revelations are legitimately occurring albeit from demonic sources and not actually God. Paul even hints at this when he says “even if an angel comes to you and speaks another gospel other than we have preached do not believe”
At 7:50, Cultish makes false claims about Orthodox Christianity. We Orthodox do NOT believe in the heresy of substitutionary sacrifice of Christ. That is a purely Western Augustinian doctrine and we reject it.
I understand. I am Russian Orthodox myself. In America Protestants have the idea that they are "orthodox" if they are members of an accepted large protestant denomination. False thinking on their part.
At minute 27:39, why does the interviewer laugh sarcastically because Reverend Moon blessed more or less 300 thousand couples in an instant and in the same place? It's a MASSIVE marriage, what's the reason for the laughter? It's disrespectful to laugh at something that is IGNORED or not fully understood, eh?
I am not ashamed as a moonie, rev moon changed my life, every religious organisation has a set of beliefs which is different from the others, thats the meaning of a cult, be it Presbyterian, methodist, all are cults, in exercising a belief means you accept the do's and donts, religions demands are such that it negates bodily pleasures, and extreme freedom that does not make it evil, once you belief, you part take it, unification church is the best thing for these current generation.
These are very interesting but it’s also shocking to me that you can’t see that your Christian religion is also cultish. Everyone believes their religion is the right one.
Jesus rose from the dead. Atheism says originally there was nothing, and nothing is unstable and just exploded. This formed everything we see today. that is pseudoscience.
I wonder if these fellows ever interview Catholics. Talk about some bizarre beliefs. Priests that for some reason speak in Latin, the worship of Mary and other "saints", the eating of moon-cookies, and so on.
@@brieclayton9528 Latin is spoken because it is the church of Rome and that is the common tongue of Rome. Greek orthodox speak Greek and coptic Christians speak Arabic for the same reason, it's their liturgical language. The hail Mary is predicated on honoring Mary as a Saint and the mother of God, asking for her prayers and intercession for mercy from Jesus because catholics do not believe that the dead are spiritually separate from them in the body of christ, so their view is that if you ask others here on earth to pray for you, you can ask people in heaven to pray for you as well.
The fact that a couple receives the blessing does NOT mean that they are already "perfect" perfection is built day by day, how? putting into practice the 3 blessings that God gave to Adam and Eve, or more simply so that people understand it: putting into practice the 10 commandments that God gave to Moses on the stone tablets. The fact that we see people who are not practicing the teachings of the Reverend Moon, should NOT be a reason to stop practicing them too, that is to say: if others do not practice it, why am I going to practice it? It is an easy way to reject God, to not fulfill the part of responsibility. Do we not usually say in this world: "if others jump off the bridge, are you going to jump too?" In the end the decision is INDIVIDUAL, DO NOT blame others for the bad decisions that we make.
Why does the guy with the Cultish T-shirt have to talk non-stop? He not only formulates questions, but then also sets out to answer them himself. It is exhausting and annoying. Maybe he should take some classes in how to interview people properly!
@Colin Hamilton Thanks for your reply! Yes, you are dead on! I agree, it's the guest who has the real story to tell. We all know how to do background search on Google ourselves... at least those of us who want to know background!
at minute 42:15, of course it is difficult to be jesus, but that is part of the responsibility of the human being, we have to be good, kind, peaceful, follow the example of the life of jesus, only in this way we can eliminate, block a whole history of evil woven by the same human being, and whoever wants to live his life his own way, without caring about God, or religion, then assume the consequences, that simple. even in the secular world it is often said: karma exists, do no harm, do what is right, do good, etc., right? it is the same thing that Reverend Moon has always taught.
One of the scariest things to me in that they target children. In my town in Alabama there is a small church that appears to be a normal church. They have this awesome open play space that tons of people rent out for birthday parties and take their kids to play every week. Most parents have no idea that this church is part of the unification church disguising themselves as any other church in the Bible Belt. So many people are giving their money unknowingly to this cult.
This is very true!! I also live in a small town in AL but I was raised in GA until I was about 4. My whole family attended a southern Baptist church and I just remember as a small child being terrified of sinning because they constantly preached “Hell fire and brimstone”. Many of the kids would get “saved” and baptized (including myself) before they even understood what that meant all because of fear. I still appreciate some aspects of that type of preaching because sometimes we need to be reminded of what sin can lead to.. but Gods love is even more important to know and appreciate. There seems to be more judgmental and hypocritical types of people coming from these small towns that are more interested in their image of being “Holier than thou” rather than humbling themselves while striving to be a better person and focusing on their relationship with our creator
This heavily armed cult has recently bought a compound in Texas and is allegedly in the process of planning a "holy war". Imagine ISIS doing this and getting away with it, taking funding from people who don't know what kind of people they are financially supporting. Unfortunately it seems the FBI and other agencies still aren't taking this threat seriously enough, even though their new leader has openly stated more than once that they are planning for open warfare against all kinds of people. It's always shocking to me when I compare how different groups are treated with regard to extremism. An Islamic extremist saying something violent online will be arrested and charged within 12 hours, but far-right extremist cults can buy hundreds of assault rifles, open a training camp and start building defenses, hold sermons where they threaten to murder entire groups of people in the name of their cult beliefs and the FBI etc are nowhere to be found. It's infuriating, and it's not going to end well.
@@RussianBot4Christ It ain't simple as that. SDA originally wasn't even fully trinitarian, and their doctrine of the investigative judgement destroys the atonement vastly more than even than the canons of the council of Trent do. Also, the RCC is, in general terms, a historic church (it was the only instituted church in the West), which degenerated over a long time. SDA is a recent novelty.
@@Acek-ok9dp The Advent Christian Church, also born out of the millerite movement and also Conditionalist, is fully evangelical and fully trinitarian. There are also fully evangelical congregations in the SDA, who are just Conditionalist, sabitarian evangelicals for the most part and have rejected Ellen White. So the SDA hardly has a cult like structure anymore, atleast in the US. If The SDA is a cult because of Ellen White, then the RCC is a cult because of Gnostic Mary and the Pope. And I can assure you that the amount of people in the SDA worshiping Ellen white is miniscule to almost non-existent in comparison to the amount of Roman Catholics openly worshipping Mary and Relying solely on the Pope. As for what is "recent", the Marian Dogmas are also recent. The RCC seems to make their church worse, regardless of history. They aren't much of a historic church.
@@RussianBot4Christ ''If the SDA is a cult because of Ellen White, the the RCC is a cult because of Gnostic Mary and the Pope.'' Doesn't follow, because you are equivocating two groups which have a very different worldview, history and way of articulating doctrine. The RCC in the 13th century is quite different than the RCC since the 19th century (even just dogmatically speaking). I haven't even claimed that the SDA is a cult because of any consideration concerning Ellen White, as grievous as her teachings might have been. I stated that the historic SDA doctrine of the Sabbath and especially the investigative judgement is heretical, because it directly denies the perfection and infallibility of Christ's work. There is one doctrine in RC that is probably of gnostic origin, given the evidence, and that is the doctrine of the immaculate conception, yet it has only been developed by John Duns Scotus around the 1300's and not dogmatically defined before 1854. If you look before that in history you had in the RCC true doctrine (considering essentials) for a long time. Anselm of Canterbury taught Penal substitution and had a conception of the doctrine of Imputed Righteousness. Bonaventure and Thomas Aquinas had one of the most highly developed formulations of the Trinity and Christology. I know from my reading of Aquinas's Summa Theologiae and his commentaries on Paul that he taught grace alone. Those are just the better known and there many others. RC degenerated in later centuries (purgatory, indulgences and other idolatries). SDA from the very start denied the Trinity, yet affirmed it later on. There is no official denunciation of the SDA church of the doctrine of the investigative judgment (Desmond Ford is a well known example of the SDA's refusal to do so).
@@Acek-ok9dp "If you look before that in history you had in the RCC true doctrine... SDA from the very start denied the Trinity, yet affirmed it later on." Okay. I never compared the old SDA to old Romanism. I'm not sure why you keep talking about old Romanism and old SDA. Your whole post is pointless. The modern RCC is just as much as a cult as the modern SDA, and since you haven't talked about modern Romanism, and decided to talked about older Romanism, your whole post is rather meaningless. This whole podcast is on Cults. If the modern SDA is loosely a cult, with completely evangelical congregations within it, and it doesn't belong on cultish. If loose cults are welcome on cultish, then so is the modern RCC. The modern RCC is proudly centralized and proudly displays its cultish hegemony in lists of downright moronic dogmas and beats other Christians over the head with them with unyielding and uncompromising vigor, while letting its members in far away lands worship Mary seemingly unhindered. The SDA at least has a hold on its greatest stupidities and continues to backtrack from many of them, not reinforcing them and making them worse like the RCC does. Investigative judgment is just as pointless as purgatory or any other RCC dogma, and yes they are both damaging, while purgatory is fathomed far more often than investigative judgment is by their perspective laity.
The guest was unable to explain about original sin. Original sin refers to the fact that a man and a woman enter into marriage having maintained their sexual purity and God blesses that marriage. I see that the guest and the interviewers have not understood this topic.
Just me, and off topic, sorry guys, but her sincerity really makes her pretty... more than some of our other christian sisters that post on youtube heavily adorned with make-up and jewellery. Thanks for the upload. I think these guys (Moonies - Korean folks) once knocked on my door to try to recruit me.
It is possible to compliment a woman without tearing down other women. Though most women would much prefer a compliment about our sincerity/ integrity/ etc than our looks by some stranger on the internet. I don't mean that rudely, I honestly think guys don't get how creepy it comes off when they think their opinion on our looks is something they should vocalize. It usually isn't. Just fyi.
The California shutdown is not draconian. "Now, Arizona has claimed that grim distinction, with one university health expert calling it “the hot spot of the world.” The New York Times' coronavirus tracker on Thursday listed Arizona's daily case rate for the previous week as 124 per 100,000 people, trailed by California at 99.Jan 8, 2021."
Haven't watched the stream yet, but I'm curious if you are aware that their entire theology hinges on John the Baptist and how they blame him for Jesus's failed mission to get married which is why Sun Yung Moon is said to be the 2nd coming of Jesus and "did what Jesus failed to do"?
Shincheonji under the peace organisation HWPL is the new moonies since the leader of the cult came from the olive tree movement which is the basement of the Moonies.
I DON'T THINK THIS GROUP HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MOONIES!!! THIS GUY DOESN'T TEACH ANY OF THEIR TEACHINGS AT ALL!!! I LOOKED IT UP!! IT APPEARS THAT IT JUST ANOTHER OF THE DOZENS OF MESSIANIC GROUPS COMING OUT OF SOUTH KOREA!!! THIS ONE HAS A LOT OF INFLUENCE IN THE UN!! NO MENTION OF REV. MOON'S TEACHING EITHER!!!
IM AN EX CARP STUDENT GROUP MEMBER FROM 1979 TO DECEMBER OF 1983 IN LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA!!!! NEVER HEARD OF THIS GROUP AT ALL AND NOT ONE OF THE MOONIES VARIOUS ORGANIZATION!!! THIS IS JUST ANOTHER SOUTH KOREAN GROUP NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE MOONIES!!!
The guest repeatedly says "I think that... I think that... I think that..." meaning she is not sure of many things, so... how can you believe 100% in everything she says? By common sense, when someone affirms something they say it energetically, they are not doubting or they are not saying something with their usual "I think that... I think that..."
This interview shows Hana doesnt know Divine Principle or Father Moons life or teachings well. Sad that she is allowed to represent our faith in a negative way.
I’m curious on what a Christians stance is when you have an acquaintance that is a “Mooney”...I friended them and never new until months later that they were moonies. They have asked to hang out but hesitant for obvious reasons. My question is, should a Christian be open to being around someone in a cult in order to try and speak Biblical truth to them in hopes it changes their heart or to stay away completely...?
Hey Bobby, I think it’s ultimately not a bad thing to try to sow the seeds no matter where they may fall. That’s our job, after all. I’ve spoken with a huge number of people with different worldviews, all completely in rebellion to God by rejecting Jesus Christ, and I have to say I don’t feel bad for trying to enlighten them. If the watchman alerts the city of the coming danger and they do nothing, the watchman is blameless. If the watchman does not alert the city though? The watchman is at fault. I want to encourage you, no matter what, that the truth is worth letting others know about it. Better to lose the whole world than to divorce from the love of Jesus Christ. Have a blessed one!
Tell them the gospel, ask them questions about their views and logical inconsistencies and/or Biblical views that contradict the movement. Know when to step back, when to cut ties etc. You're not gonna be tainted by coming into interaction with non Christians but you must ensure that you persevere in your relationship with Jesus, understanding his word, killing sin and communing with Him in prayer
I know seeds were planted as I grew up in the Unification Church from different Christians. I would definitely support the idea of sharing the gospel with anyone (we also are commanded to by scripture) especially cults, asking them questions and referencing scriptures. It will go a long way if that person is open. As the Spirit leads...
So I know this is a month late, but I am also an ex-moonie and I can tell you that the friends I made who were Christian and willing to love me where I was were instrumental in getting me out and helping me learn more about Jesus. If your friend is willing to read the bible with you and you can discuss it with them in a positive and friendly way, it goes a long way. Also the love component goes a long way more so that the theological discussion (don't try to logically win them over 24/7). It will also be a process depending on this person's experience in the cult and it is very vulnerable to be open about something like this.
At minute 29:40 you shake your heads as if you were right with what you judge, that clearly shows that you have NOT had interest in reading the content of the book which talks about the importance of maintaining sexual purity before marriage, and that is why you do not understand why after receiving the blessing, couples must still wait 40 days before consummating the sexual act, all you do is shake your heads, who knows more about the subject? You or Reverend Moon to whom Jesus appeared on a mountain???
Pls do SDA. All of the other North American groups (JW, LDS, Christian Science) are covered, and I think it is the time to expose a group as dangerous as they.
the children of blessed couples, called "second generation children" are born without original sin, but that does NOT mean that they are pure in their thoughts, words or actions, because despite being born without original sin, these children have to continue being educated, (parents have to educate them) with values, virtues, ethics, morals, always for the benefit of others, (the same thing that people in this world seek, even being atheists, we all want a world of peace made up of good people, right?) because they still have hereditary sin, individual sin and collective sin, it seems that the guest has not understood that well.
At minute 38:36, correction: Jesus did NOT create heaven and earth, they should also investigate that because Jesus is not the creator of heaven and earth, eh?
As soon as you believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins and has risen from the grave your debt is paid!! After that the effect ( Trying to stop sinning) will naturally occur through the Holy Spirit of truth.. The gospel is simple not hard... God isn’t the author of confusion.. Why would Christ want us feeling guilt and shame day and night for our sins? Who the son sets free is free indeed. Repent( a change of mind) Remission ( a debt paid in full) Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. This isn’t to say we get a free pass to sin willfully. It is to say that the lord sees us as sinners and knows all of our sins past,present and future! The born again believer should be growing in the Word, Obedience and truth daily if they’re truly walking with Christ! The Gospel of John doesn’t have the word Repent in it a single time.. It has the words Believe and Faith 99 times...
Heard about Steven Hassan from this and istened to him Joe Rogan. He is definitely in another cult and seems very off and thinks very highly of himself. It was a very awkward episode of JRE.
no offense but how does one take serious a guy claiming to have left a cult who was kidnapped and screamed out at by deprogrammers till his resolve broke and he believes then he was tricked? That is his story essentially. Despite my rant at Hana, I respect her decision, but she should have the decency to respect others who don't think like her, it's just so un Christian on her side, I am a Unificationist and I have deep respect for Christians. She had a bad experience and then decided to flip. In the UC people are free to believe in what they want, the only thing that differentiates us from everyone else is our Marriages, of which there are basic rules that are adhered to by virtually every monoltheistic religion......
I watched the movie Ticket to Heaven last night on UA-cam after you referred to it. Sooo disturbing. Does your special guest see that movie as an accurate picture of how people were indoctrinated?
@@hannacastaneda8219 Thank you Hanna for replying to my question. I appreciate you sharing your experiences with us. I'm thankful, by the grace of God, you were able to come out of that and be saved. Your sister in Christ Jesus, Jennifer :)
Trust me...there is much more good to the Moonies than what these Fundamental Christian Kids are nattering about. Go and talk to the Church. Learn from the Source.
Appreciate the video, insightful as always. Moon is clearly weird, but that young man also misstated what the Word says about "original sin”: “Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned-” (Romans 5:12, ESV) That literally says “all sinned,” not that all inherited Adam’s sin. It simply says all sinned-ultimately, as a personal response to temptation: “But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brigs forth death.” (James 1:14-15, ESV) Which is LITERALLY consistent with what happened during the fall in Genesis: “Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”” (Genesis 3:13, ESV) The Bible doesn’t say we inherited Adam’s sin any more than it says we inherited his eye color. Not trying to be that guy, but correcting cult error with doctrinal error is…? Even still, great video series. So on balance, thanks for the work you all put into these.
She should have said clearly, if it was Reverend Moon who told the members to lie to raise funds or if it was the leaders, is it not correct to tell the truth? You yourselves allude to the truth in your podcast, then why does she generalize or is she not clear in pointing out under what orders the members raised funds? Did they suggest that they lie? Or did they act on their own to act in that way? With everything she says, anyone will understand that Reverend Moon is to blame for this or that, she will pay the consequences of her words, she should reflect, she is free to do what she wants, to say what she wants, I suppose they will have taught her: freedom comes with responsibility. She will have to assume her responsibility for everything she has declared in this podcast
It is complete stupidity to think that just by believing in Jesus, one is already saved! It is stupid that the faith of the human being is limited only to believing in Jesus and being saved like that, it is stupidity! Christians believe many things from the Bible in a literal way, atheists care little or nothing about God. Analyzing everything: how many people cried and had their hearts soften the day they saw "The Passion of the Christ"? And how many of those people have changed until today? The majority of those who cried when watching that movie, today continue being the same hypocrites, selfish, corrupt, etc. (that is the individual sin that we all still have, some more than others by the way). The Reverend Moon teaches that all humanity has to achieve eliminating the 4 types of sin: original, hereditary, collective and individual, is there something wrong with his teachings?
You are destroying her whole interview with your sighing and moaning here, it's very unprofessional. I think you are also making her feel uncomfortable.
@58 you mention "per-programmed statements". I used to be a formal devotee of cult leader Adi Da Samraj. (Ironically, it took longer to mentally & spiritually break than time I was actually a member .... as I'd dismiss the bad stuff, and think I could do it right this time.) I used to get - and still do - so frustrated with the pre-progammed talk of members. It was like they just memorized the books and regurgitated them. Drove me bonkers, as there was no such - or it felt like this - as a second opinion, a different opinion or independent thinking. You'd ask for someone's personal experience and get the words of Adi Da. I could get the books and videos if I wanted those ideas, but if I'm asking YOU for YOUR ideas than I don't want a quote. Further, folks would try to write like him, and would take pictures looking like him. For a teacher that preached that everyone has a unique experience, his followers were pretty hardcore imitators. Today I'm still like this to anyone. Religion, politics, whatever - put it in your own words!!!!!!! (Besides being the sign of a cult, if you put something into your own words you have digested it. I find folks who regurgitate things often don't understand or think about what they are saying.)
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So ironic yall are deconstructing cults when you are still part of one.
I should have also mentioned that in some of the matchings people would also get married to deceased people and attend ceremonies while holding a picture of their deceased spouse.
Dude. Wow.
Wow ! So glad you made it out! Wish you the best !
Why? I don’t understand the purpose of such a marriage. I mean, if you marry a dead person then there would be no means to produce children for the church.
@@maryannebrown2385 It's all about completing Jesus's "incomplete" mission.
There are similar things in Mormonism. My aunt married into that and by the end she was getting baptized over and over in order to "save" her deceased Christian parents and other dead ancestors.
As a former Moonie myself, I find this interview refreshingly informative without the boilerplate psychological trauma associated with cult involvement by the corporate media. Keep up the good work!
As a former moonie you ought to know how the media distorts everything....
sorry to be so offtopic but does anybody know a trick to get back into an instagram account..?
I was stupid forgot my password. I would appreciate any tricks you can give me!
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This podcast has been needed for a while, finally, someone is talking about what matters and exposing a false cult that has manipulated and abused people. I pray that this podcast blesses those who grew up in the Unification Movement (like myself), and find their way to the one and only true Christ. Soli Deo Gloria!
amen..
Drew’s questions bring so much clarity - more Drew please.
Sister Hannah, powerful sister in Christ! Praise God for your faithfulness and testimony!
Wow, can't watch this, sorry. As an ex moonie, it was a great time and also a nightmare, I just thank Jesus for delivering me from their grip, AMEN
Would love to speak to you brother in the Lord! I'm curious of any ex Moonies who are now saved!
@@hannacastaneda8219 Hello Hanna, thank you for your message, not sure where I want to go with my story, I know you, as you said, wish to know perhaps what happened, from being in the clutches of darkness to giving my life to Jesus ( 1980 ). Seems like distant history but to me, just like it was last week, sounds corny but relevant and tangible to my very being, it moulded- what I am. It has been a very, very long time since those moonie times but if you would like more information, be it from my perspective / story, I can, maybe, help understanding how God, graciously, patiently, lovingly, saved me. I must go 1am here, take care, Doug Miller
@@hannacastaneda8219 Hey so I am a Christian and an ex-moonie. I was also 2nd Gen too :). I'd love to touch base at some point. This interview was really cool for me because a lot of what you said really related to me and I haven't found any exmoonies who are now following Jesus.
@@Akonn0123 hi you're welcome to follow and message me on instagram hannacastaneda29
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Listening to this makes me so thankful that i grew up in a Christian family! It makes you realize how loving God is and how he doesn't require all of these bizzarr ritualistic things be done to have salvation.
In 1981 I met a young man who had been a member of the Moonies in Florida. (I lived in Texas.) He told me about his escape. He was actually afraid to be caught leaving but I do not remember why. Anyhow, he told me that one day he just walked out of the house and went and turned the corner and broke into a run and just ran as fast and as far as he could, with basically nothing but the clothes on his back. I also saw a letter that was sent out to people who had been paired with people they had never met to marry. I wish I had kept notes on that letter. It was really strange.
I snuck out at 2 am and made it to grand central station, caught a bus back home to Ca. Always kept money hidden in my sock just in case. Was with them for less than two months. Seemed awesome at first, seemed stupid really quickly later. Late 70's
@@mikesbest284 Good for you!
Thank You for this video. You can not find me in any records, by my present name, if you were to look into my 18 year membership with The Moonies. I was a member from '74 to '92. I ran across them at their Fast, across from the U.N. for the Japanese Wives of Korean repatriot s. That is when I joined the Fast and then went to and through workshops at Barrytown N.Y.. (3,3,3, 7,7, 21, 21, 21, 40, 40 and 120 day workshops). I spent years working at the New Yorker Hotel and took part in the Madison Square Garden Mass Marriage, (spent first 5 years apart before the last 5 years together.) Worked at Belvedere Estate, as well as working at building his new house on the East Garden Estate, I worked on the Washington Monument Rally, And many MFT teams Fundraisings across the country, etc., etc.!
Sorry to hear that you left True Parents. Something happened to you that caused you to become influenced by Satan, somewhere you gave up or you weren't able to understand God and True Parents. Your record in your comment is important to consider as a learning for everyone, that Satan is working and is looking for ways to take you out, regardless of how long and dedicated one can be. It's possible however for you to rekindle yourself with the New Truth and find your way back to True Parents.
@@gheorghebirca UC killed Abe and yamagami and there are still a lot of victims
14:58 Why the shaming of ancestor worship? Lots of non-cult religions do that.
Because the moonies claim to be Christian. Ancestor worship is a big no-no in Christianity.
Thanks for explaining
@@missumbrella3135 You're welcome. =)
I've only dabbled with a few Cultish episodes but I'll admit, as an atheist, it's pretty curious to have devout Christians s*****ing on cults using their own doctrine. Like. Zero dots being connected here that just because your life isn't controlled in the same way, you're still believing something that doesn't stand up to scrutiny in the same way as religious cults. Just because it's older and mainstream doesn't make it any more true.
Jordan peterson disagrees
Beliefs are something we all have. When you forced or manipulated into one it's a different things. For a Christian a cult is any belief that goes against the general and fundamental doctrines of Christianity.
Can’t say it any better than Shona Pushed Play.
I was thinking the same. It's quite ironic.
Give an example or 2 of Christianity not standing up to scrutiny. I am open to hear what you have to say.
So many questions! So her parents were not affectionate with each other, they were brought together through their devotion to Moon. But they left the church when Hana was 14? Was it just her that left mentally, or did they all leave? Are the parents still in the church? Or any of her siblings? Has the parents’ marriage survived until now? How has being raised like that influenced her own relationships? It’s hard to understand how a marriage relationship can survive being built solely on this religion.
Hanna here!:) My parents were brought together by Moon. My parents didn't leave the church when I was 14, we moved our family life to living in a public environment in a church setting where I "studied" mainly Moons philosophy. Parents and most of family still believing fundamental doctrines of Unification Church. One sister of mine got saved shortly after me.
Every family is different. Many have a Catholic background and therefore be less inclined to show affection. Most of us are very affectionate in fact.
@@hannacastaneda8219 I know many who decided to disassociate themselves from the movement for their own reasons, I can't agree with you on much of this because I also grew up in the movement and they way you describe it doesn't sound anything like the one I know
@@seven-ttoo5233 i understand, yes I think I may have mentioned somewhere that I didn't have a typical experience of a second gen because of the programs I was involved in. Everyone has their story. God bless you
@@hannacastaneda8219 Deepest apologies for my earlier rant. It's all about God. At least you have faith in God, regardless of where the worship takes place. Sometimes it is better to take a detour to keep a stable give and take with the Almighty.....I was just mad because nobody gives people within the movement much chance of giving their side of the story, but like I also said I'm super glad you believe in God.
Fast: They do the three day, then the seven day, then a 21 day and finally a 40 day fast. No solid food, just water. It is based on old testament and new testament texts. However: It is not required, and the vast majority of members don't do all of it, maybe just the three day, some none at all.
Fundraising: Many members would lie about for whom they sold the flowers, because they were afraid of prosecution. Some members had experiences of being physically assaulted when people realized they were Moonies. Also, they thought that many people would not buy the flowers if they were told "We are members of UC."
Precisely
the correct thing to do in court is to listen to both sides, the accused and the accuser, right? in this podcast it would have been great and highly rated to have interviewed not only hannh but also a permanent member of the church, that way the public would have heard both sides, and you as interviewers would have also benefited from hearing the other side, that is the RIGHT thing to do
So happy I have found your videos! Keep it up guys. Bring the LIGHT!!!
If you don't understand don't get involved,it's a wonderful mission.unification church has helped me a lot,I am discipline than before.
Anyone who has NOT read the entire original book "The Divine Principle" will easily give their personal point of view on a subject that they do NOT know 100% about, and it is a shame that the guest has NOT understood the teachings of the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, her answers clearly show that she has interpreted things her way or they have been told to her, whatever it is, the book is available and FREE for everyone to read, RESEARCH and analyze, which is the right thing to do, right?
Wow, these Evangelicals really have a hard on for Mormons. They’ve mentioned them like 5 times in 10 minutes and this interview is about Moonies 🤔
Why not? Both Smith and Moon were womanizing pigs.
Psalm 2:2-4
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying, "Let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us." He who sits in the heavens laughs; the Lord holds them in derision.
Hanna I’m so grateful to God that he has saved you from all this! This is so fascinating. You’re such a sweet and beautiful girl thank you for educating us!
Ahh praise God, there's is nothing good in me apart from Him. He saved me from a pit of lies and I am eternally grateful
It's more like, she was deceived by the devil and lost her faith.
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@@gheorghebirca UC killed Abe and yamagami and there are still a lot of victims
@@iamhwp888 if Japan will persecute UC, Japan will have a huge misfortune, possibly serious natural disasters, earthquakes, as it happened in 1995. I don’t wish Japan any disasters, but if Japan will do this, … God will not like it.
There should be a group that people who were members, myself included, could seek help by expressing what we've been through. It really was an incredible sacrifice.
Hi Peter tell me
We are here, waiting for you to return and re-member!
At minute 49:33 she talks about fundraising. The main reason for this was because Reverend Moon wanted the members to learn to be self-sufficient. To learn to UNDERTAKE their economic life, just as there are many people who study to be professionals, there are also people who like to start businesses, right? And many are ashamed of selling on the street, of course today, people prefer to become youtubers, be influencers or sell online, but let's put ourselves in times past, when technology was not as widespread as it is today, wasn't learning to sell on the street a good way to teach how to become economically independent? It is also what many millionaires teach today, or not? There is nothing wrong with fundraising or do you think that because it is a "church" everything has to be "free"? Wherever we go, everything is "paying" and we don't complain, why complain about a "church"???
at minute 42:43, an ordinary person who does not know "The Divine Principle" will NOT know where he will go after dying, he is unaware of the situation, but someone who has read this book for the first time and with great respect for God, at least has an idea of where he will go after dying.
let us not forget that after dying, a person remains at a certain spiritual level for eternity as a consequence of his life on earth, in other words, how much love he has given to his neighbor on earth, so... we are all in time to change our bad thoughts, our bad words and our bad actions into good ones, why? because we are still ALIVE, after death there is NO opportunity for forgiveness or anything like that. Our conscience will direct us to our spiritual level after we die: atheists, agnostics, poor, rich, liars, corrupt, professors, etc., we will all go to the spiritual world after we die, only those who have fulfilled the 3 blessings will be able to go to the kingdom of heaven in the spiritual world.
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As a young African girl born into this movement ( which surprisingly has the highest membership in the world)i can totally relate to this video.I’m still processing my freedom out of there but it hasn’t been an easy journey. The AFRICAN IDEOLOGY OF THE UNIFICATION CHURCH IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, very pathetic. It is ABSOLUTE OBEDIENCE PERIOD!!! You dnt ask questions, you follow your church leaders direction. You made to believe the Koreans are the chosen ones then the Japanese are in like the eve position then the Americans and Europeans and lastly ( as expected) the Africans , black people are like back benchers in the kingdom of heaven 😂😂I dnt know but that was total bullshit I never got it .even as little as 10 I always argued with my mum about that mentality and you are made to belive you are kinda special on top of that . I got true awakening when I actually came to Korea ( the chosen nation apparently 😂🤷♀️) not only did I discover how racist these guys are towards the AFRICAN MEMBERS ESPECIALLY (I’m still blown away by the level of faith they got)but I also found out about so many disgusting things that I cnt even begin to list them out here ( I’m not so good at expressing myself by texting) so il just leave things as such . The last straw was when they sent text messages to every member to pray for TRUMPS VICTORY During the US elections. I was like that’s it I’m OUT 😂😂😂😂
Sadly my mum is still praying for my lost soul 😔 I pray she finds true awakening someday
If Moonies support Trump, than the problem is you baby, not the moonies. You need to listen to your mommy.
Thank you for sharing!!!
A private revelation = made it up in his head.
Thank you for defining terms because I do feel we've gotten lazy and people say a lot of big words I don't think they really understand the true meaning. 💚
From a spiritual and scriptural stance it’s entirely possible some of these revelations are legitimately occurring albeit from demonic sources and not actually God.
Paul even hints at this when he says “even if an angel comes to you and speaks another gospel other than we have preached do not believe”
Only if that angel is Jesus.
At 7:50, Cultish makes false claims about Orthodox Christianity. We Orthodox do NOT believe in the heresy of substitutionary sacrifice of Christ. That is a purely Western Augustinian doctrine and we reject it.
I don't think they mean Eastern Orthodox.
@@tedbrewer7976 The only other Orthodox I know of are the Oriental Orthodox and Orthodox Jews. Neither group believes in that.
I understand. I am Russian Orthodox myself. In America Protestants have the idea that they are "orthodox" if they are members of an accepted large protestant denomination. False thinking on their part.
@@tedbrewer7976 Ohhhhhh right. I forgot about that XD
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At minute 27:39, why does the interviewer laugh sarcastically because Reverend Moon blessed more or less 300 thousand couples in an instant and in the same place? It's a MASSIVE marriage, what's the reason for the laughter? It's disrespectful to laugh at something that is IGNORED or not fully understood, eh?
I am not ashamed as a moonie, rev moon changed my life, every religious organisation has a set of beliefs which is different from the others, thats the meaning of a cult, be it Presbyterian, methodist, all are cults, in exercising a belief means you accept the do's and donts, religions demands are such that it negates bodily pleasures, and extreme freedom that does not make it evil, once you belief, you part take it, unification church is the best thing for these current generation.
These are very interesting but it’s also shocking to me that you can’t see that your Christian religion is also cultish. Everyone believes their religion is the right one.
Jesus rose from the dead. Atheism says originally there was nothing, and nothing is unstable and just exploded. This formed everything we see today. that is pseudoscience.
I wonder if these fellows ever interview Catholics. Talk about some bizarre beliefs. Priests that for some reason speak in Latin, the worship of Mary and other "saints", the eating of moon-cookies, and so on.
There’s no more Latin, fyi
I grew up Catholic and I never heard any priest speak Latin in my life nor does anyone "worship" Mary and saints.
@@channeljan8529 What is Latin Mass? What is a "Hail Mary"? Seriously?
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Latin is spoken because it is the church of Rome and that is the common tongue of Rome. Greek orthodox speak Greek and coptic Christians speak Arabic for the same reason, it's their liturgical language.
The hail Mary is predicated on honoring Mary as a Saint and the mother of God, asking for her prayers and intercession for mercy from Jesus because catholics do not believe that the dead are spiritually separate from them in the body of christ, so their view is that if you ask others here on earth to pray for you, you can ask people in heaven to pray for you as well.
The fact that a couple receives the blessing does NOT mean that they are already "perfect" perfection is built day by day, how? putting into practice the 3 blessings that God gave to Adam and Eve, or more simply so that people understand it: putting into practice the 10 commandments that God gave to Moses on the stone tablets. The fact that we see people who are not practicing the teachings of the Reverend Moon, should NOT be a reason to stop practicing them too, that is to say: if others do not practice it, why am I going to practice it? It is an easy way to reject God, to not fulfill the part of responsibility. Do we not usually say in this world: "if others jump off the bridge, are you going to jump too?" In the end the decision is INDIVIDUAL, DO NOT blame others for the bad decisions that we make.
I was part of this in their Tarrytown headquarters. Pretty spot on description. My dad was definitely brainwashed and it was sad….
19:55 This is not a new heresy. It's also common within other cults like Word of Faith and Voice of God (William Branham).
Why does the guy with the Cultish T-shirt have to talk non-stop? He not only formulates questions, but then also sets out to answer them himself. It is exhausting and annoying. Maybe he should take some classes in how to interview people properly!
@Colin Hamilton Thanks for your reply! Yes, you are dead on! I agree, it's the guest who has the real story to tell. We all know how to do background search on Google ourselves... at least those of us who want to know background!
Great stuff do you have one on islam?
"They believe the Holy Spirit is the feminine aspect of God." So Rob Bell is a Moonie?
Universalist.... they treat religion like a buffet.
Kabbalah teaches that also
at minute 42:15, of course it is difficult to be jesus, but that is part of the responsibility of the human being, we have to be good, kind, peaceful, follow the example of the life of jesus, only in this way we can eliminate, block a whole history of evil woven by the same human being, and whoever wants to live his life his own way, without caring about God, or religion, then assume the consequences, that simple. even in the secular world it is often said: karma exists, do no harm, do what is right, do good, etc., right? it is the same thing that Reverend Moon has always taught.
Isn’t Christianity also a cult?
Yes, all religions are cults.
YES
Exactly
No
This is insane 😳 Lord have mercy
One of the scariest things to me in that they target children. In my town in Alabama there is a small church that appears to be a normal church. They have this awesome open play space that tons of people rent out for birthday parties and take their kids to play every week. Most parents have no idea that this church is part of the unification church disguising themselves as any other church in the Bible Belt. So many people are giving their money unknowingly to this cult.
This is very true!! I also live in a small town in AL but I was raised in GA until I was about 4. My whole family attended a southern Baptist church and I just remember as a small child being terrified of sinning because they constantly preached “Hell fire and brimstone”. Many of the kids would get “saved” and baptized (including myself) before they even understood what that meant all because of fear. I still appreciate some aspects of that type of preaching because sometimes we need to be reminded of what sin can lead to.. but Gods love is even more important to know and appreciate. There seems to be more judgmental and hypocritical types of people coming from these small towns that are more interested in their image of being “Holier than thou” rather than humbling themselves while striving to be a better person and focusing on their relationship with our creator
This heavily armed cult has recently bought a compound in Texas and is allegedly in the process of planning a "holy war". Imagine ISIS doing this and getting away with it, taking funding from people who don't know what kind of people they are financially supporting. Unfortunately it seems the FBI and other agencies still aren't taking this threat seriously enough, even though their new leader has openly stated more than once that they are planning for open warfare against all kinds of people.
It's always shocking to me when I compare how different groups are treated with regard to extremism. An Islamic extremist saying something violent online will be arrested and charged within 12 hours, but far-right extremist cults can buy hundreds of assault rifles, open a training camp and start building defenses, hold sermons where they threaten to murder entire groups of people in the name of their cult beliefs and the FBI etc are nowhere to be found.
It's infuriating, and it's not going to end well.
Will you do one on SDA?
The SDA, just like the RCC is very loosely a cult.
@@RussianBot4Christ It ain't simple as that. SDA originally wasn't even fully trinitarian, and their doctrine of the investigative judgement destroys the atonement vastly more than even than the canons of the council of Trent do.
Also, the RCC is, in general terms, a historic church (it was the only instituted church in the West), which degenerated over a long time. SDA is a recent novelty.
@@Acek-ok9dp The Advent Christian Church, also born out of the millerite movement and also Conditionalist, is fully evangelical and fully trinitarian.
There are also fully evangelical congregations in the SDA, who are just Conditionalist, sabitarian evangelicals for the most part and have rejected Ellen White.
So the SDA hardly has a cult like structure anymore, atleast in the US. If The SDA is a cult because of Ellen White, then the RCC is a cult because of Gnostic Mary and the Pope. And I can assure you that the amount of people in the SDA worshiping Ellen white is miniscule to almost non-existent in comparison to the amount of Roman Catholics openly worshipping Mary and Relying solely on the Pope.
As for what is "recent", the Marian Dogmas are also recent. The RCC seems to make their church worse, regardless of history. They aren't much of a historic church.
@@RussianBot4Christ
''If the SDA is a cult because of Ellen White, the the RCC is a cult because of Gnostic Mary and the Pope.''
Doesn't follow, because you are equivocating two groups which have a very different worldview, history and way of articulating doctrine. The RCC in the 13th century is quite different than the RCC since the 19th century (even just dogmatically speaking). I haven't even claimed that the SDA is a cult because of any consideration concerning Ellen White, as grievous as her teachings might have been. I stated that the historic SDA doctrine of the Sabbath and especially the investigative judgement is heretical, because it directly denies the perfection and infallibility of Christ's work.
There is one doctrine in RC that is probably of gnostic origin, given the evidence, and that is the doctrine of the immaculate conception, yet it has only been developed by John Duns Scotus around the 1300's and not dogmatically defined before 1854.
If you look before that in history you had in the RCC true doctrine (considering essentials) for a long time. Anselm of Canterbury taught Penal substitution and had a conception of the doctrine of Imputed Righteousness. Bonaventure and Thomas Aquinas had one of the most highly developed formulations of the Trinity and Christology. I know from my reading of Aquinas's Summa Theologiae and his commentaries on Paul that he taught grace alone. Those are just the better known and there many others. RC degenerated in later centuries (purgatory, indulgences and other idolatries).
SDA from the very start denied the Trinity, yet affirmed it later on. There is no official denunciation of the SDA church of the doctrine of the investigative judgment (Desmond Ford is a well known example of the SDA's refusal to do so).
@@Acek-ok9dp "If you look before that in history you had in the RCC true doctrine... SDA from the very start denied the Trinity, yet affirmed it later on."
Okay. I never compared the old SDA to old Romanism. I'm not sure why you keep talking about old Romanism and old SDA. Your whole post is pointless. The modern RCC is just as much as a cult as the modern SDA, and since you haven't talked about modern Romanism, and decided to talked about older Romanism, your whole post is rather meaningless.
This whole podcast is on Cults. If the modern SDA is loosely a cult, with completely evangelical congregations within it, and it doesn't belong on cultish. If loose cults are welcome on cultish, then so is the modern RCC. The modern RCC is proudly centralized and proudly displays its cultish hegemony in lists of downright moronic dogmas and beats other Christians over the head with them with unyielding and uncompromising vigor, while letting its members in far away lands worship Mary seemingly unhindered. The SDA at least has a hold on its greatest stupidities and continues to backtrack from many of them, not reinforcing them and making them worse like the RCC does.
Investigative judgment is just as pointless as purgatory or any other RCC dogma, and yes they are both damaging, while purgatory is fathomed far more often than investigative judgment is by their perspective laity.
The guest was unable to explain about original sin. Original sin refers to the fact that a man and a woman enter into marriage having maintained their sexual purity and God blesses that marriage. I see that the guest and the interviewers have not understood this topic.
Jesus loves you and died so you can have eternal life. Repent and turn to Him because He is coming soon! He loves you..
He already came, you just missed Him, because of this podcast.
Just me, and off topic, sorry guys, but her sincerity really makes her pretty... more than some of our other christian sisters that post on youtube heavily adorned with make-up and jewellery. Thanks for the upload. I think these guys (Moonies - Korean folks) once knocked on my door to try to recruit me.
It is possible to compliment a woman without tearing down other women. Though most women would much prefer a compliment about our sincerity/ integrity/ etc than our looks by some stranger on the internet. I don't mean that rudely, I honestly think guys don't get how creepy it comes off when they think their opinion on our looks is something they should vocalize. It usually isn't. Just fyi.
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The California shutdown is not draconian. "Now, Arizona has claimed that grim distinction, with one university health expert calling it “the hot spot of the world.” The New York Times' coronavirus tracker on Thursday listed Arizona's daily case rate for the previous week as 124 per 100,000 people, trailed by California at 99.Jan 8, 2021."
Soooo.... according to them, original sin is basically an STD?
Can you do a video on "The Message" William Branham Cult?
Please get a audio Engineer it’s almost unlistenable
Who is the guy they mentioned was on the Joe Rogan podcast? I'd like to look up that episode.
Steve Hassan episode #680. Deleted off UA-cam, it is on Spotify.
@@JesterStuttle. Now why’s that
Haven't watched the stream yet, but I'm curious if you are aware that their entire theology hinges on John the Baptist and how they blame him for Jesus's failed mission to get married which is why Sun Yung Moon is said to be the 2nd coming of Jesus and "did what Jesus failed to do"?
Hey Hana! How are you?
Hi! Wow how cool you found this!:) I'm blessed 💖 are you a believer now too?
@@hannacastaneda8219 yes we came to JESUS last year around March. We now attend Authentic Life church in Columbine Colorado
THESE TRUTHS NEED MORE EARS TO HEAR THEM
Shincheonji under the peace organisation HWPL is the new moonies since the leader of the cult came from the olive tree movement which is the basement of the Moonies.
Oh really...
I DON'T THINK THIS GROUP HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MOONIES!!! THIS GUY DOESN'T TEACH ANY OF THEIR TEACHINGS AT ALL!!! I LOOKED IT UP!! IT APPEARS THAT IT JUST ANOTHER OF THE DOZENS OF MESSIANIC GROUPS COMING OUT OF SOUTH KOREA!!! THIS ONE HAS A LOT OF INFLUENCE IN THE UN!! NO MENTION OF REV. MOON'S TEACHING EITHER!!!
IM AN EX CARP STUDENT GROUP MEMBER FROM 1979 TO DECEMBER OF 1983 IN LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA!!!! NEVER HEARD OF THIS GROUP AT ALL AND NOT ONE OF THE MOONIES VARIOUS ORGANIZATION!!! THIS IS JUST ANOTHER SOUTH KOREAN GROUP NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE MOONIES!!!
Well then I also declare myself sinless
Almost got sucked in to the moonies but the homophobia repelled me. That was a weird time in my life.
Not agreeing with a life style doesn’t mean hate ,,
The guest repeatedly says "I think that... I think that... I think that..." meaning she is not sure of many things, so... how can you believe 100% in everything she says? By common sense, when someone affirms something they say it energetically, they are not doubting or they are not saying something with their usual "I think that... I think that..."
Based
This interview shows Hana doesnt know Divine Principle or Father Moons life or teachings well. Sad that she is allowed to represent our faith in a negative way.
Which teaching is she missing that you’re referring to?
I’m curious on what a Christians stance is when you have an acquaintance that is a “Mooney”...I friended them and never new until months later that they were moonies. They have asked to hang out but hesitant for obvious reasons. My question is, should a Christian be open to being around someone in a cult in order to try and speak Biblical truth to them in hopes it changes their heart or to stay away completely...?
Hey Bobby, I think it’s ultimately not a bad thing to try to sow the seeds no matter where they may fall. That’s our job, after all. I’ve spoken with a huge number of people with different worldviews, all completely in rebellion to God by rejecting Jesus Christ, and I have to say I don’t feel bad for trying to enlighten them. If the watchman alerts the city of the coming danger and they do nothing, the watchman is blameless. If the watchman does not alert the city though? The watchman is at fault. I want to encourage you, no matter what, that the truth is worth letting others know about it. Better to lose the whole world than to divorce from the love of Jesus Christ. Have a blessed one!
Tell them the gospel, ask them questions about their views and logical inconsistencies and/or Biblical views that contradict the movement. Know when to step back, when to cut ties etc. You're not gonna be tainted by coming into interaction with non Christians but you must ensure that you persevere in your relationship with Jesus, understanding his word, killing sin and communing with Him in prayer
I know seeds were planted as I grew up in the Unification Church from different Christians. I would definitely support the idea of sharing the gospel with anyone (we also are commanded to by scripture) especially cults, asking them questions and referencing scriptures. It will go a long way if that person is open. As the Spirit leads...
So I know this is a month late, but I am also an ex-moonie and I can tell you that the friends I made who were Christian and willing to love me where I was were instrumental in getting me out and helping me learn more about Jesus. If your friend is willing to read the bible with you and you can discuss it with them in a positive and friendly way, it goes a long way. Also the love component goes a long way more so that the theological discussion (don't try to logically win them over 24/7). It will also be a process depending on this person's experience in the cult and it is very vulnerable to be open about something like this.
Thank you all for the replies..glad you got out of the moonrise, and found Jesus!
At minute 29:40 you shake your heads as if you were right with what you judge, that clearly shows that you have NOT had interest in reading the content of the book which talks about the importance of maintaining sexual purity before marriage, and that is why you do not understand why after receiving the blessing, couples must still wait 40 days before consummating the sexual act, all you do is shake your heads, who knows more about the subject? You or Reverend Moon to whom Jesus appeared on a mountain???
Pls do SDA. All of the other North American groups (JW, LDS, Christian Science) are covered, and I think it is the time to expose a group as dangerous as they.
ua-cam.com/video/XJ1qYgtZhp8/v-deo.html
Hannah, tul, set, net....takes me back lol
Why does the thumbnail say part 2?
the children of blessed couples, called "second generation children" are born without original sin, but that does NOT mean that they are pure in their thoughts, words or actions, because despite being born without original sin, these children have to continue being educated, (parents have to educate them) with values, virtues, ethics, morals, always for the benefit of others, (the same thing that people in this world seek, even being atheists, we all want a world of peace made up of good people, right?) because they still have hereditary sin, individual sin and collective sin, it seems that the guest has not understood that well.
At minute 38:36, correction: Jesus did NOT create heaven and earth, they should also investigate that because Jesus is not the creator of heaven and earth, eh?
Is Some Young Moon considered a New Moon?
As soon as you believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins and has risen from the grave your debt is paid!!
After that the effect ( Trying to stop sinning) will naturally occur through the Holy Spirit of truth..
The gospel is simple not hard... God isn’t the author of confusion..
Why would Christ want us feeling guilt and shame day and night for our sins?
Who the son sets free is free indeed.
Repent( a change of mind)
Remission ( a debt paid in full)
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
This isn’t to say we get a free pass to sin willfully. It is to say that the lord sees us as sinners and knows all of our sins past,present and future! The born again believer should be growing in the Word, Obedience and truth daily if they’re truly walking with Christ!
The Gospel of John doesn’t have the word Repent in it a single time.. It has the words Believe and Faith 99 times...
I think all of these cults and off-shoots of saved by grace through faith alone are deceptions from the author of confusion.
Are they also supported by Paula White and Donald Trump?
Why does the video skip around?
"Everything was paid for on the Cross": and how is that going? * Seriously folks how is that going in this Post Christian world evident in The West?
Heard about Steven Hassan from this and istened to him Joe Rogan. He is definitely in another cult and seems very off and thinks very highly of himself. It was a very awkward episode of JRE.
no offense but how does one take serious a guy claiming to have left a cult who was kidnapped and screamed out at by deprogrammers till his resolve broke and he believes then he was tricked? That is his story essentially. Despite my rant at Hana, I respect her decision, but she should have the decency to respect others who don't think like her, it's just so un Christian on her side, I am a Unificationist and I have deep respect for Christians. She had a bad experience and then decided to flip. In the UC people are free to believe in what they want, the only thing that differentiates us from everyone else is our Marriages, of which there are basic rules that are adhered to by virtually every monoltheistic religion......
Rev. Moon
Il profeta
Not massia
Leggete la bibbia
Riguarda apocalisse.
Thank you!! We need more ex moonies stories!
Can I have my story told?
Here you go: ua-cam.com/video/zdMwaVyPIsw/v-deo.html&ab_channel=SeijinShirotori
@@seven-ttoo5233 I meant ex moonie but you are free to tell your story
I watched the movie Ticket to Heaven last night on UA-cam after you referred to it. Sooo disturbing. Does your special guest see that movie as an accurate picture of how people were indoctrinated?
Do you have the link? When you do a search. Nonsense keeps coming up... songs, music vids, clips
@@Orwellwascorrect ua-cam.com/video/UoavV7D74BU/v-deo.html
Yes pretty accurate!
@@hannacastaneda8219 Thank you Hanna for replying to my question. I appreciate you sharing your experiences with us. I'm thankful, by the grace of God, you were able to come out of that and be saved. Your sister in Christ Jesus, Jennifer :)
.......... I am so shocked by Moonies. It's just like Jehovah Witness
Are they still around?
Stronger than ever , unfortunately
It takes 21 days to make something a habit.
Cultish: Leaving Calvinism.
Why not a video on Non-Denominationalism?
lmao 😂 i’m a calvinist but this was funny
Well, guess wut, folks? Today's "cult" is tomorrow's orthodoxy... Acts. 24:5
6:12 overmarketing haha
Such perversion of the truth in Holy Scripture.
Love the Dutch Bros Drew!
I remember at university some people came up to me and told me how jerusalem was a woman and the bride of jesus or something like that.
That was probably WMSCOG, another Korean cult.
I knew nothing about the Moonies. This was fascinating.
Trust me...there is much more good to the Moonies than what these Fundamental Christian Kids are nattering about. Go and talk to the Church. Learn from the Source.
Appreciate the video, insightful as always. Moon is clearly weird, but that young man also misstated what the Word says about "original sin”:
“Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned-” (Romans 5:12, ESV)
That literally says “all sinned,” not that all inherited Adam’s sin. It simply says all sinned-ultimately, as a personal response to temptation:
“But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brigs forth death.” (James 1:14-15, ESV)
Which is LITERALLY consistent with what happened during the fall in Genesis:
“Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”” (Genesis 3:13, ESV)
The Bible doesn’t say we inherited Adam’s sin any more than it says we inherited his eye color.
Not trying to be that guy, but correcting cult error with doctrinal error is…?
Even still, great video series. So on balance, thanks for the work you all put into these.
She should have said clearly, if it was Reverend Moon who told the members to lie to raise funds or if it was the leaders, is it not correct to tell the truth? You yourselves allude to the truth in your podcast, then why does she generalize or is she not clear in pointing out under what orders the members raised funds? Did they suggest that they lie? Or did they act on their own to act in that way? With everything she says, anyone will understand that Reverend Moon is to blame for this or that, she will pay the consequences of her words, she should reflect, she is free to do what she wants, to say what she wants, I suppose they will have taught her: freedom comes with responsibility. She will have to assume her responsibility for everything she has declared in this podcast
Doing my research since they just moved down the street from me.
What is this horrible audio??
draconian shutdown??? Are you kidding???
Right? Was excited to watch this video and that’s how they start out. Don’t think these guys are for me.
Jealous of the Dutch Bros! 😅
Time 51:29 what 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Moonies are on the moon
It is complete stupidity to think that just by believing in Jesus, one is already saved! It is stupid that the faith of the human being is limited only to believing in Jesus and being saved like that, it is stupidity! Christians believe many things from the Bible in a literal way, atheists care little or nothing about God. Analyzing everything: how many people cried and had their hearts soften the day they saw "The Passion of the Christ"? And how many of those people have changed until today? The majority of those who cried when watching that movie, today continue being the same hypocrites, selfish, corrupt, etc. (that is the individual sin that we all still have, some more than others by the way). The Reverend Moon teaches that all humanity has to achieve eliminating the 4 types of sin: original, hereditary, collective and individual, is there something wrong with his teachings?
You are destroying her whole interview with your sighing and moaning here, it's very unprofessional. I think you are also making her feel uncomfortable.
Yes, I found also that, uncomfortable, the guy behave like an emotional girlfriend who wants to agree with the boy, because he has big pockets.
@58 you mention "per-programmed statements". I used to be a formal devotee of cult leader Adi Da Samraj. (Ironically, it took longer to mentally & spiritually break than time I was actually a member .... as I'd dismiss the bad stuff, and think I could do it right this time.) I used to get - and still do - so frustrated with the pre-progammed talk of members. It was like they just memorized the books and regurgitated them. Drove me bonkers, as there was no such - or it felt like this - as a second opinion, a different opinion or independent thinking. You'd ask for someone's personal experience and get the words of Adi Da. I could get the books and videos if I wanted those ideas, but if I'm asking YOU for YOUR ideas than I don't want a quote. Further, folks would try to write like him, and would take pictures looking like him. For a teacher that preached that everyone has a unique experience, his followers were pretty hardcore imitators. Today I'm still like this to anyone. Religion, politics, whatever - put it in your own words!!!!!!! (Besides being the sign of a cult, if you put something into your own words you have digested it. I find folks who regurgitate things often don't understand or think about what they are saying.)
Absolute Drewth!!!
So water was turned into sake and passover was sushi and rice balls? Lol