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Yagami vs Kiryu - Who ACTUALLY Wins?
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- The two most overpowered protagonists of the Yakuza/Like a Dragon series have never had the chance to fight, but if they did, who would be victorious? Would it be Kiryu, the comic book super hero? Or Yagami, the realistic people's champion? They both fight very different fights, but only one of them has the Instant Kill Extract DLC so I mean...
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Just, like, ignore the UI being cut off in a bunch of the clips by the way. Blame RGG Studio. They physically came to my house and cut it off it was crazy even Nagoshi was there which was weird because he doesn't work for them anymore.
Also plz do not take my OPINION (objective facts) to heart 'cause we all know Yakuza: Like a Dragon Joon-gi Han solos every fictional character in existence so the whole video's irrelevant.
Songs:
Judgment - inharmonic
Like a Dragon Gaiden - Nouveau Riche
Tekken 8 - Twilight Party Cruise - Normal
Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance - Battle Da’at “Vengeance”
Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers - Insatiable
Ace Combat 7 - Sol Squadron
Xenoblade Chronicles X - Black Tar
Xenoblade Chronicles X - The key we’ve lost
Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance - Battle no hypocrisy
Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance - Demon Haunt I
Yakuza: Like a Dragon - KIBOU
Lost Judgment - Dig In Your Heels (at the very end for a few seconds)
Rubber bullets or gameplay gun. What was he shot by? Definitely not referencing any recent events btw
Hello Mr yakuza guy that is probably Australian
That was a cutscene gun, for sure.
100% gameplay gun he was basically fine
@@SnowiestAngeman "Clipper"
He had a sacrifice stone
Kiryu wins because he doesn't have like 4 girlfriends to distract him from fighting
Kiryu loses because he has no bitches.
yagami when barely legal women exist
The power of eternal virginity
Yagami is way too busy dating high schoolers to beat Kiryu
If Yagami gets a hold of a photo with Yumi in it, Kiryu will get depressed and quit
They would just tiger drop each other's tiger drop infinitely
I make the joke that if a Tiger Drop is tiger dropped. It creates a singularity.
So they both would just circle around each other, waiting for opponent's opening?
@@alexeyeliseev6322it’s like dividing by 0 lol
Scientists could build a device around them to harvest the infinite energy produced
How do you counter a counter? That doesn't make sense
Sure Yagami wins in GAMEPLAY, but then the cutscene starts and Kiryu drops him like he did to Ichiban and says something like "Heh, you remind me of myself." Then they go play Mah-jong together.
Exactly, dragon vs crane,
Winner? No, substory? Yes
This
Mah-Jong?!?!
@@joelrobinson5457 im pretty sure the people in RGG that came after Nagoshi left in 2012 didn't even played all the yakuza games and finished the substories which should not be allowed
@@muhammeterdemakbulutNagoshi left in 2021.
man explains gameplay conveniences as lore, part 1
All skills and abilities in RGG games are gameplay conveniences, ding dong
@@MrMidight not really. Gameplay doesn't always match up with what the characters are actually capable of lol
@worthyedge9307 Im not sure man I genuinely believe Saejima can flying punch and knock out a bear
@@beezlebubbThat happens in a climactic cutscene irrespective of pure gameplay in which you are actually controlling Saejima. So we know he can canonically do that
@@worthyedge9307 No shit, in gameplay Kiryu can get shot by a gun 6 times and then recover with a chicken bento. That's why I'm saying it's ALL conveniences. If you give something like flying drones to Kiryu, which he NEVER USES outside of gameplay cause it's literally just a convenience, you have to give extracts to Yagami.
kiryu can wield a giant tuna as a weapon
poopfart
yagami can cook the tuna
yagamer
@@buy_skyrim6945kiryu in Yakuza 3 & Like a Dragok Isshin: 👨🍳👨🍳👨🍳
hey drinkk
idk man, i aint seeing yagami fighting 100 tojo clan members with rockets
He does take on 100 gang members with no rockets though
@@jekw23 He fought those Rk members alongside Kaito, Sugiura and Higashi. Kiryu solos.
@@Rapostico true. I found the RK fight more challenging than the Tojo fight…..although I suspect I was overpowered for that fight.
@@Raposticoyou do unlock an optional battle where you solo 100 goons. Also Yagami does a lot more fighting after that 100 man brawl, a lot of which he did by himself, alongside a lot of climbing and running around
@@cryguy0000 The gauntlet challenges are not canon to the main game. And yeah, he does fight Soma and Kuwana, but that's only because his friends helped him fight those others 100 members.
As Nagoshi once said:
"Yagami is good in a fight. He's a tough guy. However, he does not possess the monstrous, superhuman physical energy of Kiryu."
....
"Actually, at one point we considered the possibility of Kiryu appearing in this game. Then we realized this would blur the line between human and monster.
Like, If Kiryu was in this game, people would be like, "Can't we just let Kiryu handle everything?"
Nagoshi also keeps flip flopping with his own storytelling.
Yagami would win because he manages to do so many kicks in skin tight jeans. Imagine his power level if he had loose fitting pants like Kiryu.
Yeah but Kiryu fights almost exclusively in suit pants
jeans are wayyy eaiser to kick with than the suit pants kiryu wore, it doesnt really matter if it's looser cause the material's very rigid and doesnt allow much stretching, and while the jeans arent ideal, it's still a way better option for combat, especially the strechy ones
Imagine if he fought kiryu with no pants. Holy
@@dedd2981itd be like the first someya fight, where yagami is just in his boxers
those are not real jeans they are painted on
Come on mate, y r u comparing 2 weak ass characters the real one should be joongi with head trauma and adachi with arrest
Joon-gi is high damage, while Adachi is insta. High diff for Adachi.
@@ilimuninati4929no diff for adachi if joongi isnt considered a boss enemy but high diff for joongi if adachi has paralysis tongs
I legit confused Adachi LAD for Adachi from Persona 4
@@coomcharger6105 same, especially when both are former policeman
This feels like extreme Yagami glaze ngl.
Gameplay wise even with his op items Kiryu just pops y5 extreme heat, no damage dealt lol.
Lore wise: Kiryu is touted as a legend of power, speed and endurance because he literally has shown feats no regular human can. Going toe to toe with a guy who beat up a much larger bear than normal, beating up 100 Tojo clan members with weapons and rockets by himself. Yagami is def more skilled than Kiryu but skill can be negated with pure stats Kiryu has lol
I’d also like to add since I thought of it. I will say Yagami is definitely a powerful guy, his final boss in judgement is probably the closest thing to a literal super villain. Arguably I’d say the strongest final boss in RGG history, that being said that fucker Aizawa one handed swung a mahogany sculpture thing that is like 849 kg/m cubed. So clearly the yakuza are on some super soldier serum shit.
@@nachoboy1129Don't forget Aizawa did that with one arm. And Kiryu beat him while recovering from a still-open gunshot wound from last night.
You forgot to mention Kiryu beat up 2 fully grown tigers... Whilst injured.
I think this is just a good twist, since he challenged the idea of yagami beating the man who forgot to glaze is unheard of
gojo majima caving in a floor with a punch
Boomer Kiryu - years of training and discipline needed to master the Komaki Tiger drop and has to relearn it again every few years.
Zoomer Yagami - scans QR code on the street
Back in my day, you needed to stumble yourself into legendary fighters, inspiring artists, and incredible events to even have a CHANCE to master their styles.
Now, you just go on your phone and get it without proving anything...
“Years of training” looks at one combo, that’s rad!
@@ragercarnage8609 that's yakuza 0 tho, every other game he actually learns from Komaki directly for example
@@theindestructibleone483 but how many times does he have to learn the same damn moves.
@@ragercarnage8609 gameplay wise it makes sense but story wise... not sure, some games kinda make sense because you could say the argument he's been doing other things away from all the fighting and stuff, like in Yakuza 5, but other times it doesn't make much sense. On another note him relearning the moves could make him stronger? Sounds ridiculous I know but I read somewhere a quote that goes "I fear a man who practiced 1 kick 1000 times than 1000 kicks 1 time" or something
I usually say Kiryu because in Judgement Yagami wins a fight against a group of thugs in an alley, but is notably tired and visibly injured. Kiryu in Yakuza 5 on the other hand canonically took on 100 armed Tojo clan grunts and walked away without any visible injuries and not at all visibly tired. If you'd like a more recent example, Kiryu in Like A Dragon 7 managed to take on Ichiban's whole group and defeated them all handily, again without any visible injuries and not seeming at all tired. Those may be group fight examples, but I think it's a testament to durability and endurance that keeps Kiryu in the win. No shade to Yagami, but Kiryu had been injured more because he's dealt with higher stakes.
Yeah they both have 100 man fights except yagamis was 100v4 and kiryu was 1v100 and his were all packing ridiculous weapons.
Like, bro sidestepped two rockets
I mean in fairness to Yagami in this argument, Yagami fought with the gang against more than 100 thugs, including Soma (and Soma’s goons), AND Soma solo, plus Kuwana solo and after ALL of that, Yagami was basically only slightly puffed. While I think Kiryu wins (in lore), you cannot downplay Yagami’s absolutely comical stamina. Like it’s ridiculous how much stamina he has in the long battles in the two Judgments, like even after a bridge explodes in Judgment he’s back up and running after about 5-10 minutes. Insane durability and insane stamina.
@@Hezzadude12 he had help fighting those hundred thugs.
Kiryu did not.
He did it actually solo with 0 effort.
He also fought the entire Go Ryu clan.
Or when he fought through over a hundred jingweon in Yakuza 2. Then he fought Ryuji. Then he fought more goons, then had enough stamina for a death match with Ryuji.
@@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312 I don’t disagree with your point, but my point is more that after that whole endeavour, Kiryu passed out basically and after Yagami’s whole endeavour, he was a little puffed. I mean he did a lot of parkour as well, and a large section of that encounter he did solo as well and it’s not like Kuwana and Soma are pushovers. I’m just saying the evidence that Yagami has absurd stamina is pretty bloody clear. Kiryu has extremely high stamina as well but overwhelmingly he is shown to not have as much as Yagami’s best feats. He could still fry Yagami IMO though
@@Hezzadude12 all those cigs kiryu keeps smoking will be his downfall
If kiyru and yagami tiger dropped each other in the same time they will create blackhole, The new game will be in space Titled "Like A Dragon in Space"
I love how all of the comment section agrees that kiryu would win this one
I love how half of the comments ignore what snowiest says and act like he didn’t mention every advantage and disadvantage they both have.
@@samyprostar He doesn't mention every advantage and disadvantage though.
Kiryu has an advantage with Limit Break from Yakuza 0, that's way more powerful than the extracts Yagami has.
Yagami also got his ass whooped by Soma the first time around. You can't even give him an excuse for that, he literally loses the fight fairly 1 v 1. Kiryu has never lost a fight as far as we can tell, even when he has hundreds against him. Snowiest was biased as hell in this video lol
@@Maloolz ima be honest. I stopped caring about this video and this whole discussion after reading like 7 comments
@@samyprostar That's fine.
@@samyprostar based???
In the newer Yakuza games, it's established that all substories exist
In Yakuza 5 Saejima got trained by a literal mountain god, and even then he was still only matching Kiryu's strength if not weaker. That enough says Kiryu probably win, and that's not even considering Heat Mode
Yagami vs Kiryu is like a slingshot versus a heavy machine gun
aren't you gonna mention that the slingshot is also loaded with a HE impact grenade
@@VicerimusMortem Reminder that Kiryu and Haruka were at the literal center of an explosion and they SOMEHOW didn't get damaged let alone critically injured.
@@apurpledragon cutscene explosion =/= gameplay explosion
@@VicerimusMortemconsidering normally people take story and cutscenes into consideration you don't have to compare them
and on the gameplay side refer to kiwami 2 bouncer missions
Yagami being the Machine Gun in this comparison
Does Yagami get Stinger missiles shot at him cause he's too dangerous to be alive? I rest my case
Now we just need one more battle: Yagami’s superpowers and extracts vs Ichiban’s Essence of Orbital Laser.
Screw Ichiban's schizophrenia, let's check out Amon's real orbital laser
@@NikolayHizenprof who’s to say that ichiban’s schizophrenia makes the laser he bought by becoming the owner of a tycoon isn’t real
Yeah superpowers are cool but big laser from sky
I don't care who the government sends, im never admitting that Yagami could defeat Kiryu in a fight.
"Ishin combat doesnt count, because that is not fair"
Meanwhile Yagami with literal superpowers
Realistically Kiryu would speedblitz Yagami, especially considering how his styles give him the clear advantage in strength, speed, and defence. Even with Cancer, Kiryu’s feats still outclass Yagami. His mimicry unironically would probably just allow him to copy snake, crane, tiger, and boxer 😭😭😭
*Divine Strike extract*
@@Mike-ij4rq Dragon Heat. Better yet, Azure Dragon Spirit.
@@idfkimaclowndragon sp
Ok hold on lets give yagami some credit. Cancer kiryu would def. If not struggle against yagami
One thing about the immortality power scaling that I will say is that if Yagami fights the entire Ichiban gang including Kiryu(or just Kiryu with some tanky support characters) he is more likely to win if he specifically abuses immortality from Ex Boost: knocks down as many people as possible at the same time and then uses taunt:all on them(provides heat based on the amount of knocked down opponents). Repeat that infinitely and you get infinite heat, health and wealth.
With that strategy I got through the 100 man battle in story without using any healing items or ever exiting Ex Boost mode.
Just look at Yagami in cutscenes: he has serious problems with concussions. One kick from Soma and he was floored for minutes. Kiryu on the other hand takes full blooded punches (like from Ichiban) straight to the head and doesn't even flinch.
And he was taking that iron bar in y6 like a brick wall
If you TRULY want to give them all their abilities along with yagami's extracts, give Kiryu his limit break from Yakuza 0.
Yagami would explode with 1 punch and kiryu would be invincible.
The yagami glazing is on another level 😂
Also, all the really OP weapons you can get in 0 will be at his disposal. Since he can hold a lot in his pockets, he's got options.
@@giuseppesignorello4448 Snowiest does just tend to glaze the Judge games like it’s a competition so it isn’t a big surprise there 😭😭😭
@@idfkimaclowni mean fuck id glaze the shit out of judgement because of lost judgement’s gameplay
if he gets extracts Kiryu gets y5 dragon heat and therefore is fucking invincible and speed blitz's yagami lmao
Yagami needs help in large crowds meanwhile Kiryu just solos 100 guys and casually just steps aside from a heat seaking rocket. Kiryu would just mop the floor with Yagami.
this is legit just jake paul vs mike tyson ramped up a couple notches
@john.4987 but the person who made the video likes Logan Paul and think Mike Tysons a old gobber. 😂
@@Roxas-dr8om like... actually? if that's the case we can't trust a thing he says ever cuz he clearly has a case of "no common sense"
"never lost a fight in their lives". But Yagami absolutely did lost to Soma their first bout. You won gameplay as a player, but Yagami in a story got saved by the caller, otherwise he'd be dead.
Yeah, and Kiryu picked a lot of fights as a young teen, he likely lost at least one fight. Also, he and Nishik got clobbered together by Kazama.
Problem: Kiryu also has superpowers. A normal human can't shatter a solid marble statue in one punch, and that was done by a _very_ non-prime Kiryu. If we go by lore in the sense of "not gameplay", Kiryu is way stronger, but Yagami is _maybe_ more agile. I won't even say faster, because Heat Actions are fully animated and thus are in this weird middle-ground between gameplay and cutscene and Yakuza 5 Kiryu has this one Heat Action that has him borderline _teleporting_ with his speed.
And that's completely disregarding the fact that Heat is actually canon.
Yagami is also superhuman, Kiryu is simply superhuman COMPARED to Yagami (even the RGG director who worked on the Judgement games has stated this). Credit where credit is due though, Yagami low-diffs Juzo Amon who speed blitzes and one-shots Shin Amon (whom Yagami previously defeated), who killed a polar bear with his bare hands and states that he could shrug off being hit by a dump truck. And Kiryu is still on another level.
kiryu fought a god damn tiger and won
Yagami isnt more agile considering Time for Godspeed exists.
@@lordsickomode That's speed, not agility. They're similar, but not the same thing.
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 Alright, then in that case we'll talk about dodge weave, kiryus balance swapping flip kicks and acrobatics, so on so forth. His most iconic style mixes all 4 limbs with flips and sweeps, requiring significant balance and force to pull off without eating shit or lacking power, neither of which he struggles with. Rush dodge weave can duck literally anything, from bullets to punches. His footwork alone in that is fucking insane, honestly. Plus, even still, does it matter in the example provided? Godspeed slows opponents and speeds you up, i.e Yagamis agility is wasted energy, as he will exert energy to dodge attacks he cant dodge anyways, because Kiryu is simply entirely too fast for it to work.
Ngl. Yagami gets stomped
not stomped. just decisively beat as Kiyru is the strongest character in yakuza overall.
@@nota13xxsfbiagent32 Kiryu stomped Akiyama and Tanimura who fought him together and the stakes were very high for them. So they didn't hold back.
I don't see Yagami being way stronger than either of those two guys. So I thinj a prime Kiryu wipes the floor with Yagami.
@@ldking5132 Yagami is not *way* stronger than those guys but he does beat any one of them without much issue individually. One of the Amons said he was one of the strongest guys on earth, he’s fast, versatile and very skilled. He ain’t getting stomped. Just decisively beaten as i’ve said.
@@nota13xxsfbiagent32 Akiyama is a beast don't get that confused. His feats in yakuza 5 should show you that he's not that far off from Yagami. Not to mention he's also faced the amon clan.
Again. Kiryu wipes the floor with Yagami. Kiryu has been stabbed and was bleeding out. Fought an army of yakuza and ninja- as well as two tigers. Sir.
Kiryu has fought 100 tojo men alone! With weapons as well!Yagami as strong as he is can't do that. Not even close. He'd get stomped.
Kiryu is super human. Yagami is super strong. There's a difference lol.
@@ldking5132 And when did i say any of this was wrong? I feel like some people need to reassure themselves that kiyru is the strongest in the verse when the guy they’re talking to doesn’t even disagree with them. Yes, kiyru 100 Tojo, Kiyru 2 tigers lol. Does he literally one shot/stomp everyone besides Saejima though?
Hell no, especially not guys of Yagami’s level. My premise wasn’t even “Kiyru extreme difficulty’s Yagami” it was “Kiyru doesn’t stomp Yagami” Yagami is very fast, skilled, replicates yakuza character speed feats in terms of bullets and fought hangman. Also, he’s >Kaito, who actually didn’t get completely stomped by Kiyru when they fought (And they fought pre LJ, and LJ gives yagami an amp. To a big degree). I feel like people forget how severe a stomp is supposed to be, it’s not a “he totally wins!” it’s a “He literally is inconceivably better in every way and destroys without trying”. Y0 Kuze vs Y7 Kiyru is a stomp, Kuze basically gets one shot. Or Y5 Kiyru vs Ichiban.
Most yakuza characters are superhuman when you look at it, Yagami included. Kiyru is just the most superhuman, by a pretty decent degree.
Prime Kiryu would absolutely decimate Yagami and it isn't even close lol.
Yagami glaze is crazy. Has yagami even fought in a underground tournament yet?
Yagami literally has superpowers, also no he hasn't, he's a detective he's not gonna fight in an illegal underground ring
@@shunakiyama6275provided by limited time potions yagami can’t do that himself without those and kiryu can take damage until yagami runs out of time and potions
@@GnosisZX well I mean if both kiryu and Yagami can use health potions and kiryu is allowed to use his gadgets seems only fair that Yagami is allowed his extracts, and no, kiryu can't tank it as there is literally a instant kill one
@@shunakiyama6275 if he all his skill a brawler skill allows him to tank instant death as long as has heat
That accusation is just an admittion lmao "Why arent you guys glazing Kiryu instead!?!?"
Kiryu easily
Kiryu beat 100, yagami struggled with dozens
Also Kiryu could recover from cancer pretty well
younger guy with superpowers vs old cancer ridden silly strong guy
A quick note, Yagami does say in Judgment that he was taught the basics of martial arts from his dad, but that everything after that is stuff he learned from fighting on the streets.
Was just about to comment this lol. Bro goes on a tangent about 'lore reasons' as to how Yagami 'magically' learnt Kung-fu only to forget the detail that is literally in the text of the story.
Come on guys v all know who it is ADACHI!!! With his arrest
Tanimura arrest
Can't arrest bosses unfortunately.
That shit would be so OP if he could though.
Imagine rocking up to Yamai and just arresting him to end the fight instantly.
@@Maloolz ik, just a humor mate
The Joint
Let's hope Kiryu doesn't remember that he used to be level 999 in 0
could yagami even live past the battle opening cutscene.
@@Jamlord2061 They'd do some badass dynamic intro where they slam their forearms together or something and Yagami just instantly pops.
18:24 While Yagami DOES have the Extracts, they run on a timer and also has a limited supply. That also doesn’t change the fact Kiryu has Dragon’s Spirit from Yakuza 5 (The Climax Heat/Red Heat ability) which makes him untouchable AND uses his regular Heat Gauge instead of the Climax Heat Gauge used for special Heat Actions like Essence of The Dragon King. Even if he only had Extreme Heat (which is definitely weaker), he would still be unkillable. The only issues would be A. That he runs out of Heat, but even then the War God Talisman is still a thing, and B. Waiting for his Heat to recharge.
He also doesn't mention limit break from Yakuza 0, which makes Kiryu and Majima literally able to have infinite health and damage output.
If we're going to be using the character's most broken abilities, let's use them all.
I'm willing to overlook that because that's a prime Kiryu/Majima ability they only have in their 20's, while this hypothetical fight should take place in 2018-2022, but he should have at least made mention of that if he wasn't trying to run a PR campaign for Yagami.
@@MaloolzAt least with Limit Break, there can be a case that he just simply forgot it. I forgot it was even a thing until you mentioned it. But in a think piece-styled video, it definitely should’ve been brought up.
@@MaloolzAnd I think that’s one of the critical flaws of using raw gameplay to scale these guys.
‘88 Kiryu and Majima at max level can one-tap anyone gameplay-wise, but we know that in terms of lore, Kiwami Kiryu alone would wipe his ass with Y0 entirely, let alone Kiryu from any game past that or at his prime (Gaiden/7 or before IW).
Without memes or jokes, the only one close to kiryu is Saejima
Gonna "um achtually" you on Yagami at 3:50. He learned the foundations of his martial arts from his father, who was implied to be an expert. Crane and Tiger are just slight improvements on what he learned there. Snake though, yeah he just kinda figured that out lol
Actually come to think of it, if we are counting Yagami's extracts as a factor, should we count also Kiryu's max level 999 bullshit from Yakuza 0? Cause that system is also overpowered and stupid
Kiryu might win, one small issue for him, though.
Hold △ + Hold △ + Hold △ + Hold △ + △
Nice combo, one small issue;
R1+△
@@ISellBeans_Nice counter, one small issue
R1+△
Nice setup, one small issue though.
What if instead of Yakuza it be called Freakuza and instead of hands, It'd be kissing.
@@romanulvasi nice counter counter, one small issue
R1 + △
@@ilimuninati4929 ayo
I would argue Kiryu being written as a moron is intentional. People in game call him out on stupid decisions he makes, which means the writers are well aware of how stupid those decisions are.
I would say it’s a case where not all of this bad decisions are originally written to be incompetent, but future games rectify that by acknowledging that they were poor choices, such as him relinquishing his title to Terada in 1
Not stupid
Just poorly thought and rash
I think Kiryu already has the lead.
"He got 4 fighting styles"
Agent Style is malding rn
if u think about it kiryu has 6 fighting style
Brawler, Rush, Beast, Dragon, Yakuza and Agent
If we take Yagami super powers into consideration than let's also take Kiryu lvl. 999 from Yakuza 0 ;)
Aight, I reckon it's time to kick up a fuss about not having a Yakuza fighting game again
In all honesty, Kiryu and Yagami would became allies if they were to meet.
How did his meeting with akiyama and tanimura go again?
@@BindieI mean, they became friends. After Kiryu caved their faces in, that is.
they would fight first then theyd make out
@@makii4772 pause?
Surely if Yagami is allowed to use the extracts, Kiryu can use the fuck ton of war god talismans he's got, basically unlimited heat which means unlimited extreme heat mode which means impossible to kill
Can you even get duplicates of them?
Yagami after the Ultimate Slap:💀
The Ora Doushita?
Yagami vs Kiryu is an immovable object vs an unstoppable force. Unless Kiryu decides to use Ultimate essence, in which case Yagami is Ultimately goobed
21:43 Yagami's endless crusade against the health ministry, to be more specific lol
21:16 "He still can't pay his bloody landlord despite making 20 billion yen."
Average description of rent in Japan.
There is actually a very well made mod for lost judgement called “legend gauntlet” wherein kiryu and yagami can fight in a gauntlet match and kiryu, with the kiryu AI using his movesets from the games along with all of his agent gadgets, so if you wanted to actually compare them gameplay wise while fighting in lost judgement combat, it is possible
Yeah, also not sure if it’s the same person who made it but now gaiden Kiryu is playable in LJ now.
@@MadDogSolo K8SAY made both mods
@@idfkimaclown Oh ok.
@@MadDogSolo i dont think thats out yet right?
@@instasnipe Not sure if it’s out for the public but it is real.
Kiryu: "Tiger..."
Yagami: "Drop!"
Planet: cracks in half
WHY ARE YOU EVERYWHERE DUDE???
I think tney should both kiss
True!!!!
Real
I love how the most you said of IW Kiryu is "uh he's in turn based so Yagami would just fight him." Completely foregoing any potential analysis of his styles and combat techniques there. But sure, let's just ignore that Kiryu has access to infinite katanas, knives, bowling balls, staffs, and whatever other weapons he can use for special moves. Let's ignore that rush giving him two turns essentially confirms he can use something equivalent to godspeed in 2023. Let's ignore how guarding with beast ups his physical damage. Let's ignore that he has the ability to perfect guard, not to mention the Sea God's Talisman? You know, the thing that would negate any extract move Yagami could try to do to him? Oh, also essense of gun cannot miss. So yeah, IW Kiryu alone solos Yagami, and it isn't even close
Damn that's crazy. Imagine getting beat by old man Kiryu.
Yeah the whole "Yagami could just break out of turn-based" thing doesn't make sense, especially when you consider that against Kiryu/Ichiban, it seems their schizo turn-based stuff actually forces even previous protagonists like Majima and Saejima or Kiryu himself, to abide by the turn-based rules.
That being said, we can't know how much of Kiryu/Ichiban's abilities in turn-based is real, so I think he was right to discount turn-based feats, he just did it for the wrong reason. Then again, we do see at least some of the stuff Ichiban imagines is real, is legit since before he gets the bat, Nanba and Adachi still have their moves, even the more implausible ones like breathing fire.
@Maloolz I hadn't even considered the Jima brothers being forced into turn based, but you're totally right that Yagami would probably be forced to deal with that.
I also get that Kiryu probably doesn't literally have all of those things always on him at any given time (and I didn't even count optional jobs because that's a whole other can of worms), but even without those feats, we know Ichiban can fight normal style because of the cutscenes in 7. Specifically during the Omi Alliance dissolution, there's a couple moments in the cutscene where we see Ichiban dodging hits and hitting people back, so at the very least, he's doing something in the real world that's analogous to his actions in his head. I can believe that carries over to things his party mates do. As for Kiryu, at least in DoD style, nothing he does is outside the realm of possibility for him besides summoning the giant dragon, but his summon in 7 does the same thing and shows the sorts of actions he would actually do while that move is happening. Regardless, there's enough tangible reality to his moveset in IW that I don't think it's worth discounting for any reason besides the obviously fake stuff like the dragon
@@maxwellpaynewell5305Even the dragon is probably real, we see Kiryu literally summon a Heat-based dragon construct before knocking Ichiban unconscious. Heat is canon based on dialogue from previous side content, it’s just not always tangible in cinematic cutscenes.
@@peanutmurgler nobody else sees it, though. It being in Gaiden makes things super weird, but I think it was only there in reference to its being in 7, not because it's a real thing. And it's definitely not real in 7 because, again, only Ichiban sees it
@@maxwellpaynewell5305 I don’t think that specific scene is from Ichiban’s POV, it happens right after the RPG elements would’ve faded away and almost every cinematic cutscene in 7 is from an objective POV
kiryu does have superpowers aka regen powers. when he got shot by the chinese assassin in yakuza 0, his wounds healed completely after a couple of hours. he could also go on fighting after being stabbed in yakuza 2. And he can sing, so he automatically wins
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@@SnowiestAngeman Hello 0 years in the joint
Yakuza fans tend to conflate how stong a character is with how important they percieve them to be. Like when gaiden came out people were acting like shishido couldn't possibly come close to other characters in the series like saejima, and im like??? shishido is a big fucking guy he apparently has been fighting all his life, on paper he should be one of the strongest people kiriyu has ever faced, his only major weakness is being a side character and lacking the proper plot armour/strength, compared to saejima who wasted away in prison most of his life after being a yakuza for like 20 minuites he has heaps more experience. Plus hes probably been working out all that time eating fairkly well, as opposed to saejima who has been depressed and eating prison food.
from what i've seen, people usually do recognize him as one of the strongest characters. i mean, even after getting his hand stabbed by Majima, he still managed to give a tough battle to Kiryu using only one hand. the reason some characters like Saejima are viewed as extremely strong is mostly because of their feats in the story.
no it's not because Saejima is important it's because he beat two bears with his fists
Basically this. There is strength in terms of gameplay and realistic consideration, and then there is sort of "canon" strength. Yagami should win if we compare the two's combat styles and techniques. But in canon Kiryu is basically an unstoppable fighting machine
@@cryguy0000 Kiryu is a more proficient martial artist than Yagami tho, Yagami just uses more flashy moves so it looks like he's ip man or something
@@gravewalker9162 is he tho? Yagami casually teaches himself a unique fighting style between games that masterfully disarms weapons and can parry attacks and do powerful throws. He also becomes a near professional level boxer in a manner of days.
The super power thing would be a good feat for yagami… but Kiryu can beat saejima, and saejima can beat a mountain god that can shoot fireballs, teleport, turn invisible, summon snow clones, and control avalanches
Kiryu literally crawled his way halfway through Kamurocho after two massive back to back battles one of them with a man equal to his skill with an open wound and survived. To top that he fought two tigers at once.
Yagami's first game had mortal wounds in it and he learned fighting through watching TV. I love Yagami but it's not a contest who's stronger.
Yagami hasnt grinded the real estate minigame and mr shakedown to get his legend style to level 999 tho...
Meh, Kiryu's casually beaten super powered Amons. Extracts ain't much different.
0:16 ah yes, the legendary battle between Saitama and Kiryu.
i feel like IN-UNIVERSE, kiryu is meant to be one of the strongest people alive (at least during his heyday/before he got cancer) while yagami is supposed to be a guy of above average strength/skill to uses his wits and acrobatics to get the upperhand in battle and still needs his friends to help him fight large groups of people. HOWEVER gameplay-wise they made yagami super OP in LJ because it made his combat some of the most fun to play in the entire series by giving you tons of options for combat and tons of moves that feel rewarding when you use them skillfully.
Another thing I think of though, is that while yagami may not be offensively stronger thatn kiryu, he might be defensively stronger. if you look at all the punishment he takes, especially in LJ that he's still able to stand and fight and then seemed to be completely healed with no effects the next day. although i guess we've never seen yagami get shot or stabbed.
I love how confident you are that yagami and kiryu will meet someday because i really want it to happen. reminds me of my story idea is that haruka knows kiryu's still alive so she goes to kamurocho and hires yagami to find him (i made this idea pre-gaiden but it could still work if it took place after gaiden but before kiryu got sick). eventually yagami finds kiryu and they fight because yagami wants to help his client and solve the case but kiryu needs to hide his identity and keep himself away from haruka. it's an epic fight of ideals and dedication.they don't try to kill each other, just defeat each other. yagami puts up a good fight and confuses kiryu a bit with his acrobatic moves, but eventuall kiryu overpowers him with his raw strength. just as kiryu's about to deliver the final blow, haruka steps in and makes them stop the fight. yeah i think it would go down like that.
Kiryu is so good at martial arts he could look at a random situation and learn a brand new technique and has fought master martial artists in the coliseum and has decades of experience fighting the strongest mfs in the series him forgetting doesn’t take away anything he only forgot a few specific techniques and still had the foundation of his fighting style which he was still better than everyone he faced in hand to hand combat
Kiryu: Nah, i'd win.
Yagami: About To Go Fight I'll Post The Video After
Yagami: I Got My Ass Beat Bruh I'm Not Posting That Shit
My friend told me about the Yakuza games a few months ago, and I’ve completed the story in each and every single one of the mainline games, except for IW. I love this series so much, and have found so many awesome content creators because of it :D keep it up dude!
Glad to have you on board! It's my all time favorite series. Ive been playing since OG 1 it's a wild ride and we need it to grow bigger lol
yagami backwards is
The Health Ministry took them out before they could finish telling us the sacred truth.
They got to him
Either Kiryu wins or it’s a tie bc they both can do a tiger drop
Kiryu wins. You're throwing a baby with a wallet chain up against a main battle tank in a bad suit.
ok but flux fissure tho
flux fissure + superpowers
You assume yagami can cause any sort lasting damage to kiryu who endured far more than yagami could hope for
@@MrKapustakiryu has items that do similar things, invincibility, infinite heat, also sacrifice stones.
dickrider. you clearly didnt watch the video. what a moron, and your a child
Yagami beats kiryu in having underage girlfriends
Relax
All the girls are over 18. How the fuck is that underage?
None of them were underaged
@@cryguy0000how bout the one in high school
Never played judgement and lost judgement, so HUH????????
Sooooo you’re basically saying Yagami would win because RGG wanted to evolve their combat mechanics with each subsequent game, and both Judgment games just so happen to be some of the latest games at the moment?
Ok boomer *(casually Tiger Drops you, negating **_all_** damage this time for real)*
Yagami vs Kiryu is basically the Bruce Lee quote of "I do not fear the man who practices 1000 kicks one time each, I fear the man who practiced one kick 1000 times."
The way I see it, i think it would be more interesting to compare their antagonists.
Like, does kiryu have a harding time beating the mole?
I dunno probably not
When you talk about the realistic perspective coming to down to the winner being whoever we play as, i find that flawed on the basis that in Y7 even though we play as Ichiban and "win" the fight against Kiryu, its shown after in a cutscene that we actually lost. So i dont think anyone is winning solely based on who we play as. Also why are we counting Yagamis extracts but excluding Kiryus Extreme moves from IW? Your whole point for not excluding extracts was to not make any caveats? So Yagami can use extracts, lets see Kiryu summon a whole ass fucking dragon on Yagamis ass then. The double standards are crazy.
You're tweakin' bro
I don't see this battle ever happening story wise. As you said, if you haven't played Infinite wealth, you're warned
Kiryu is way too old to be fighting, however I would want to see Yagami and Kasuga + Crew
In gameplay? Yagami wins,no question. Even if you take away extracts or some other dumb shit, it's just way easier to fight as Yagami.
In lore? Kiryu wins,no question. I'm confused,when did Yagami fight a tiger?
From reading the title i guess someone finally said it...
Yagami beats Kiryu in a modern dance battle
Bs kiryu danced with legends not high school girls who are nowhere close to legend dancing skills
@@GnosisZXkiryu cant even remember his most famous move without someone training him, what makes you think he will remember dance moves from 36 years ago?
@@Thereal_nishikiyama
Five hours, give him five hours and some sub stories and he has this.
@Santiagogomas OK but if they both maximized their potential yagami would destroy kiryu, look at yagamis moveset.
@@Thereal_nishikiyama yagami is light damage he could well against akiyama who of similar build and skills but kiryu has physical ability that outstrips yagami more damage more endurance yagami would need 10 punches to output the same damage one of kiryus punches could do and yes muscle and size matter in a fight
Yagami is fast like akiyama but kiryu hits harder
You've alerted the horde
If cancer: Yagami
If no cancer: Kiryu
But we all know the fight would really just end the same way the second Kuwana vs Yagami fight would end. Just add both characters also spamming healing items while they go at it again.
Also holy shit I was unaware of how insane extracts actually were. I just thought they were easy mode whatever shit so I never bothered, holy crap lmao.
Okay, but Kiryu can throw sand into Yagami's eyes and he' be blinded, but Kiryu will never be because Gaiden removed the mechanic.
Also, realistically, you said Kiryu's Yakuza 5 Red Heat mode can basically stop any attack. In fact: It does. So it would stop Yagami's magic powers too. This sounds.. too convenient.
parrying superpowers is a Kiryu thing to do
Trick question, Joongi Han wins with head trauma and a fucking tazer
Ok but what if kiryu had 5 min prep time
Fun fact: yagami gets soloed by kiryu in yk1 with rush style alone.
Nah, Haruka'd win
Haruka is too OP to be even brought up in such arguments. She solos the whole universe with couple dance moves
@@NikolayHizenprof I don't know, Akiyama might solo, high difficulty.
@@OddLefted if he uses arms then low dif fr
The battle will ultimately come down to their essence as warriors. It'll always come down to Yume vs Sawa-sensei. An unstoppable force meeting an unmovable object
The way I've always seen it is Yagami would dance circles around Kiryu but if he gets hit even once or twice it's over. At least pre Y8.
10:38 The music sync here is well done and makes my brain happy, thank you.
Dunno about Yagami's superpowers, but canonically Kiryu DID fight Amons, Jo in 4 and So in 0 have their insane laser beam attacks that Kiryu can dodge or sustain (on lower difficulties at least) 🤓
Yagami would hurt his hands hitting kiryu lmao, I'd end like the ichiban fight
But the real question still remains....who would you rather hang out with at a bar. I'm going with Kiryu because he knows how to listen and could probably give better advice
Kiryu and Yagami wouldn’t fight cause Yagami will start talking about Sawa sensei mid fight and Kiryu will start babbling that he’s not a Yakuza and by the end they’d somehow become great friends only for Yagami to never appear in a game again
I'm going to say... Yeah, these are definitely way more equal than people want to admit. But we gotta say, Kiryu had his perfectly good four styles for 7 years after Y0 until YK, and then he kept getting cozy without really fighting a lot for large periods of times. Like being arrested... two times. Living peacefully with Haruka, then with the orphanage kids, atleast for some time, and then we see him training other abilities like in Gaiden with the Agent style, which is a gadget/technology heavy style, which we know from just the game before, he sucks at, struggling to use a keyboard... Somehow, after years of minigames.
So they are definitely very equal, and Yagami isn't just a tree branch in jeans and a jacket, but Kiryu isn't just a dumb himbo, he still can lift a motorcycle and throw it at people, and still became an expert at multiple disciplines.
Yagami might almost win against Kiryu, but then out of nowhere, Shinada defeats him with a steel chair, by gawd!
1:30 that cutscene is so realistic
Meaningless video. Nagoshi said Yagami can't fight as many guys as Kiryu. Kiryu's stronger. Don't need a half an hour video to get that.
Mans really went onto the video platform and said "why did you make a video about this?" lmao
We don't even need any statements to conclude Yagami isn't supposed to be as strong as Kiryu (lorewise).
If you actually watched the video before jumping to conclusions you'd realize that the point of the video isn't a serious comparison between the two
Kiryu spent 10 years in the joint
Yagami spent 10 million yen on his multiple girlfriends
My favorite take on the whole "Kiryu vs Yagami" debate is that Kiryu wins in terms of lore and feats, while Yagami absolutely bodies him in gameplay.
Not even especially if you factor in his limit breaker form in 0 with infinite strength, health, and heat
So we aren't going to talk about that one substory where Kiyru literally met Kaito?