@@DanielMooreDJ When I said 4 hours I meant for my recovery ride. I actually do 24 hour long ride every week so take that everyone I have the bigger ego
I don’t have a power meter for outdoor rides and thus I try to pay close attention to my heart rate and how I feel during certain zones inside. Seems to have worked pretty well.
Exactly how I train. I seem to focus on power and stat training indoors and then use the nice outdoor sunny days to enjoy myself on the bike paying attention to my heart rate.
Riding on my CATYE CS-1000 from 1987 till Dec 2023 was like driving my 1968 Plymouth Roadrunner with no AC, no power steering , basic AM-FM Radio . Now since Dec 2023 my Garmin NEO 2T is like driving my 2017 Toyota RAV4 . Zwift since Dec , 125 races, TRON bike in 48 days , 10,000 + miles . Not hard like what I had for 37 yrs . What is hard is losing two friends to getting hit by cars, and knowing how dangerous it is outdoors here in Florida . So glad for a safe bike trail, and modern technology of indoor training . Which has made outdoor riding and racing easier .
This reminds me of going from road running to trail running. Lower your expectations, focus on effort/fun, and don’t expect hit the same pace (FTP) that you would otherwise
Felt the need to comment that I just tried doing my first full IM and did 95% of my rides indoors. I DNF’d at mile 97 on the bike. Personally with training mostly indoors I felt racing outside was significantly harder than my long indoor rides. Lesson learned. Will train outdoors more
I just bought an indoor trainer for myself this week and was so happy about how strong I will be after the winter as I finally don't skip the several months of riding. I'm not anymore, thanks guys! :D
I bought my trainer in december 2023, and after that I have done 110 hours on it, and ca 4000 km outdoors. I have been training consistently averaging 7 hours a week. Previous year I trained less in the autumn and on bad weather days. Indoortrainer fills in the holes I had in my consistency, and I am a lot stronger now than I was a year ago (Strava fitnessnumber has increased from 12 to 49).
I have my first 70.3 coming up in couple weeks. I did one 4h outdoor ride on my tri bike and it was not pleasant. Stops, lights, constant clipping/unclipping, potholes, cars, other riders, TT bike to handle, I quickly went back inside after that. 2h+ indoor ride is boring but more practical than the alternative (for triathlon). Now if you are cycling on a normal bike with friends, outdoors is more fun.
Interesting video 👍. My best 4x4 min intervals in Zwift I had a rainy day in the middle of the summer. I had bicycle a lot outside, did intensive workouts outside on country roads. I used to do those where it’s a little uphill for long time cause it’s easier to keep the watt. But that day I decided to bicycle in Zwift , both cause it was classic fours in the schedule and cause of the weather. First I was asking myself if something was wrong with Zwift , no answer, I looked down on watt pedals. Are they failing? Nothing strange the day before. Really it was confusing- I didn’t felt like I was pushing so hard and my cadence was higher . The only reason was that my FTP been higher temporarily that day. I had a good day. I used the same bike, the same trainer and watt pedals . I really want to have that feeling in my legs again. 😁 Marie-Louise
Actually your FTP is a quasi-metabolic steady state that you can sustain for a long period generally 30-70 minutes. The extent to which you can set your zones from it depends on how aerobic/anaerobic you are.
Perhaps the more relevant question is will your FTP improve if you augment your training with the use of a trainer? My experience is my trainer-measured FTP is measurably higher at the END of my off-season indoor training than when compared to my START FTP (upon returning back to indoor training). I attribute that loss to the more consistent riding and intensity I can achieve from indoor training.
I find it difficult to fulfil an FTP test in the UK, especially in Sussex/Surrey we don’t have long enough climbs/roads or lanes that allow you to properly complete intervals. There’s always junctions, other road users and more recently wildlife (abundance of squirrels) that get in the way of completing training out on the road
I've only ever ridden to power on the trainer, and never go quite as deep outdoors but this is making me curious. I should hopefully have access to a power meter next year.
I have a Rouvi-Wahoo ftp indoors, and a Strava ftp outdoors that I only see when I get home and look it up on the computer. Indoors I do sometimes target a spesific watt , I can for example decide to stay near 190. Outdoors pacing is only by percieved hardness and pulse watch. This is enough for me, but I think wattmeter outdoor is nice for people that communicates with coaches. I think its harder to pedal 250 watts estimated by Strava outdoors than to do 250 on my indoortrainer, and its harder to pedal 250 Strava-watts on gravel than it is on tarmac. But why is it harder indoors for Mark and James? My guess is that Mark and James are on aero tempobikes and has a very good aero-position which is not the same as the indoortrainer-programme calculates. Is indoors harder? I think its about how much power you put in. To mee I probably goes harder inndoors because I am pedaling in dexcends where I would have been coasting and breaking if I were outdoors. And the more technical the outdoors get, the less average pulse I get. Indoors there are plenty of races to choose, and those races of course makes me go harder.
Riding outside is more boring in my view. You can make achievements riding on fx Zwift and other platforms. And race or participate in events to take you away from boredom. I also find it easier to make a plan indoors. Only annoyance is the lack of wind and rain indoors. If you then go outside, you are not used to wind and rain. So, I think you should do both to getting used to any weather situation. If indoor training included weather simulation, then it might not be such a big problem. For instance live weather on the route, so you bear the added resistance according to the weather.
Indoors and outdoors are different pleasures. On a nice outdoor-ride fine things happen. Around the road there are deers, sheep and crows. And I have been passed by riders that are demi-gods, (Johannes Kulseth from Uno-X and Embret Svestad- Baardseng from Arcea B&B Hotels), and I have been passed by riders that I could ride with. Deep in the forest after 27km ride I arrive at Kikutstua. I buy a delicious waffle and coffe and sits outside on a bench looking at the lake "Bjørnsjøen". On a nice summerday we might be 30 bikers out on those benches, and sometimes we get a nice chat.
Could you please do an episode on Canyon’s product warning on some of its tri bikes. Forks falling off. I cannot get a word out of Canyon: they do not respond to emails. Just the shrill 5 November email saying stop riding because your bike is not safe
I think my Indoortrainer actually has an incorrect powermeter. I have an 270 W FTP outdoors, but indoors I can't even hold the 270 W for 3 minutes. On my Outdoorbike I have Favero Assiomas (dual), and my indoor trainer is the kickr snap. Did somebody experienced the same?
Let your bike computer run during your indoor session and compare the numbers. I had something similar. My Kickr Core is showing the same numbers as my p2max (on tri bike) but the shimano 8100p (on road bike) is about 20 - 25 W lower. I could hold about 250 W for an hour on Zwift but on my road bike I was on my absolute limit when climbing at 250 W for 25 min. I always wondered why that is until I put the bike on the Kickr and compared Zwift's numbers and my Wahoo Roam's numbers. Additional conclusion: don't buy Shimano powermeters :D
One more factor I am going to explore soon, inside, the CO2 ppm could be detrimentally high indoors. I have an indoor air quality monitor, I’ve only been using it in my bedroom so far, but it will end up in the pain cave at some point. If high CO2 is detrimental to cognitive performance, it sure must be to physical. The question is do my fans clear the room bringing in enough fresh air? In the colder months I open the window and bring in that fresh air, mainly for the lower temps.
Watching this while on a 3 hour indoor endurance workout.
I’ve done 8hr rides (outdoors), couldn’t even imagine a 3hr ride indoors! Chapeau
I have 3hrs indoors tomorrow
Oh yeah well I do a 4 hour indoor ride every week
@@itchyguy123 I do 5
@@DanielMooreDJ When I said 4 hours I meant for my recovery ride. I actually do 24 hour long ride every week so take that everyone I have the bigger ego
I don’t have a power meter for outdoor rides and thus I try to pay close attention to my heart rate and how I feel during certain zones inside. Seems to have worked pretty well.
Exactly how I train. I seem to focus on power and stat training indoors and then use the nice outdoor sunny days to enjoy myself on the bike paying attention to my heart rate.
Riding on my CATYE CS-1000 from 1987 till Dec 2023 was like driving my 1968 Plymouth Roadrunner with no AC, no power steering , basic AM-FM Radio . Now since Dec 2023 my Garmin NEO 2T is like driving my 2017 Toyota RAV4 . Zwift since Dec , 125 races, TRON bike in 48 days , 10,000 + miles . Not hard like what I had for 37 yrs . What is hard is losing two friends to getting hit by cars, and knowing how dangerous it is outdoors here in Florida . So glad for a safe bike trail, and modern technology of indoor training . Which has made outdoor riding and racing easier .
This reminds me of going from road running to trail running. Lower your expectations, focus on effort/fun, and don’t expect hit the same pace (FTP) that you would otherwise
2:02 Squirrel!
About to go on Zwift - best timing...
Felt the need to comment that I just tried doing my first full IM and did 95% of my rides indoors. I DNF’d at mile 97 on the bike. Personally with training mostly indoors I felt racing outside was significantly harder than my long indoor rides. Lesson learned. Will train outdoors more
I just bought an indoor trainer for myself this week and was so happy about how strong I will be after the winter as I finally don't skip the several months of riding. I'm not anymore, thanks guys! :D
I bought my trainer in december 2023, and after that I have done 110 hours on it, and ca 4000 km outdoors. I have been training consistently averaging 7 hours a week. Previous year I trained less in the autumn and on bad weather days. Indoortrainer fills in the holes I had in my consistency, and I am a lot stronger now than I was a year ago (Strava fitnessnumber has increased from 12 to 49).
I have my first 70.3 coming up in couple weeks. I did one 4h outdoor ride on my tri bike and it was not pleasant. Stops, lights, constant clipping/unclipping, potholes, cars, other riders, TT bike to handle, I quickly went back inside after that. 2h+ indoor ride is boring but more practical than the alternative (for triathlon). Now if you are cycling on a normal bike with friends, outdoors is more fun.
Indoor bike is not too bad but but running on a treadmill is where I always fail a workout. Indoor running has been a puzzle for me.
Well, for one thing you can’t stop pedaling and coast like you can outside getting those constant breaks
Interesting video 👍.
My best 4x4 min intervals in Zwift I had a rainy day in the middle of the summer.
I had bicycle a lot outside, did intensive workouts outside on country roads. I used to do those where it’s a little uphill for long time cause it’s easier to keep the watt.
But that day I decided to bicycle in Zwift , both cause it was classic fours in the schedule and cause of the weather. First I was asking myself if something was wrong with Zwift , no answer, I looked down on watt pedals. Are they failing? Nothing strange the day before. Really it was confusing- I didn’t felt like I was pushing so hard and my cadence was higher .
The only reason was that my FTP been higher temporarily that day. I had a good day.
I used the same bike, the same trainer and watt pedals . I really want to have that feeling in my legs again. 😁
Marie-Louise
Actually your FTP is a quasi-metabolic steady state that you can sustain for a long period generally 30-70 minutes. The extent to which you can set your zones from it depends on how aerobic/anaerobic you are.
I do indoor ftp tests during the indoor season and outdoor ftp tests during the outdoor season.
Winters are tough where I live.
I’ve trained on the turbo every day since May 2016 (yeah)with the odd day off and feel fit-ish but my bike handling skills are literally ZERO 😂
Perhaps the more relevant question is will your FTP improve if you augment your training with the use of a trainer?
My experience is my trainer-measured FTP is measurably higher at the END of my off-season indoor training than when compared to my START FTP (upon returning back to indoor training). I attribute that loss to the more consistent riding and intensity I can achieve from indoor training.
UK weather is awful all year round since 2020.
I find it difficult to fulfil an FTP test in the UK, especially in Sussex/Surrey we don’t have long enough climbs/roads or lanes that allow you to properly complete intervals. There’s always junctions, other road users and more recently wildlife (abundance of squirrels) that get in the way of completing training out on the road
I've only ever ridden to power on the trainer, and never go quite as deep outdoors but this is making me curious. I should hopefully have access to a power meter next year.
I have a Rouvi-Wahoo ftp indoors, and a Strava ftp outdoors that I only see when I get home and look it up on the computer. Indoors I do sometimes target a spesific watt , I can for example decide to stay near 190. Outdoors pacing is only by percieved hardness and pulse watch. This is enough for me, but I think wattmeter outdoor is nice for people that communicates with coaches. I think its harder to pedal 250 watts estimated by Strava outdoors than to do 250 on my indoortrainer, and its harder to pedal 250 Strava-watts on gravel than it is on tarmac. But why is it harder indoors for Mark and James? My guess is that Mark and James are on aero tempobikes and has a very good aero-position which is not the same as the indoortrainer-programme calculates.
Is indoors harder? I think its about how much power you put in. To mee I probably goes harder inndoors because I am pedaling in dexcends where I would have been coasting and breaking if I were outdoors. And the more technical the outdoors get, the less average pulse I get. Indoors there are plenty of races to choose, and those races of course makes me go harder.
How do you even test FTP outdoors? I find it exceedingly hard to find 20 min worth of well paved, relatively straight road
Riding outside is more boring in my view. You can make achievements riding on fx Zwift and other platforms. And race or participate in events to take you away from boredom. I also find it easier to make a plan indoors. Only annoyance is the lack of wind and rain indoors. If you then go outside, you are not used to wind and rain. So, I think you should do both to getting used to any weather situation. If indoor training included weather simulation, then it might not be such a big problem. For instance live weather on the route, so you bear the added resistance according to the weather.
Indoors and outdoors are different pleasures. On a nice outdoor-ride fine things happen. Around the road there are deers, sheep and crows. And I have been passed by riders that are demi-gods, (Johannes Kulseth from Uno-X and Embret Svestad- Baardseng from Arcea B&B Hotels), and I have been passed by riders that I could ride with. Deep in the forest after 27km ride I arrive at Kikutstua. I buy a delicious waffle and coffe and sits outside on a bench looking at the lake "Bjørnsjøen". On a nice summerday we might be 30 bikers out on those benches, and sometimes we get a nice chat.
What should you do? Put a support under your front wheel?
The biggest difference is that the flywheel does not weight in at 100 kg as it should.
Could you please do an episode on Canyon’s product warning on some of its tri bikes. Forks falling off. I cannot get a word out of Canyon: they do not respond to emails. Just the shrill 5 November email saying stop riding because your bike is not safe
Squirrel 2.04
My FTP is higher indoor. Please explain that!
One of your power meters is wrong
@Southerncyclist same power meter indoor and outdoor!
@johnalves2765 🤔 trainer resistance is easier. Zero your trainer.
@@Southerncyclist on rollers therefore no other factors contribute to any miss reading! Power reading for both are from Assioma Power Pedals.
@@johnalves2765 crazy
I think my Indoortrainer actually has an incorrect powermeter. I have an 270 W FTP outdoors, but indoors I can't even hold the 270 W for 3 minutes. On my Outdoorbike I have Favero Assiomas (dual), and my indoor trainer is the kickr snap. Did somebody experienced the same?
Let your bike computer run during your indoor session and compare the numbers.
I had something similar.
My Kickr Core is showing the same numbers as my p2max (on tri bike) but the shimano 8100p (on road bike) is about 20 - 25 W lower.
I could hold about 250 W for an hour on Zwift but on my road bike I was on my absolute limit when climbing at 250 W for 25 min. I always wondered why that is until I put the bike on the Kickr and compared Zwift's numbers and my Wahoo Roam's numbers.
Additional conclusion: don't buy Shimano powermeters :D
and power is more higher outdoor than indoor
What tech just put a book under the front wheel😅
One more factor I am going to explore soon, inside, the CO2 ppm could be detrimentally high indoors. I have an indoor air quality monitor, I’ve only been using it in my bedroom so far, but it will end up in the pain cave at some point. If high CO2 is detrimental to cognitive performance, it sure must be to physical. The question is do my fans clear the room bringing in enough fresh air? In the colder months I open the window and bring in that fresh air, mainly for the lower temps.
Finally, I have the video that I've been wronging to see. Thank you guys!