Usually now, the so called A.I. which is just a script(I don't understand where all this A.I. nonsense came from) will not resign. Unless you resign first.
The 104 command ('Don't resign!') when in the 'everyone' text will make all AI fight till defeated. Allied AI will actively respond to this command with 'At once, sire!' or something along those lines.
Father soloing the extreme ai in 10 minutes is pretty funny, my dad also never played online but I would always watch him 1v3 extreme ais when I was a kid lol
@@Apokalypsiis Extreme AI back then didn't exist and the AI overall was much, much weaker. I could 1v3 the hardest AI difficulty back then even though I knew very little about the game; I didn't even have any idea that bonus damage was a thing.
@@Apokalypsiis Hardest AI back when 1st DLC was pretty dumb. You are guaranteed to take down 1 AI by dark or fuedal rush within minutes. The rest 2 just overwhelm them by good economy, no micro required. But still, you need to be above some casual players to do so.
@@martijnbouman8874 To be fair, they could have listed the bonus damage and hidden armors. It was their fault for not having enough details. It doesn't have to be in game, it could have just been on the tech scroll screen.
@@Apokalypsiis Extreme AI has been improved many times since DE was released. The old Extreme AI could easily be 1v7'd by pros. (I think old Extreme would be equivalent to Hardest today)
Hera needs to know how to get AI to do what you want, if he wants AI to be his teammate(s). Taunt examples 43: What is Your Strategy 56: Train Units Which Counter the Enemy’s Army 80: Attack the Enemy With Scout Cavalry 87: Attack the Enemy With Knights 93: Attack the Enemy With Halberdiers and Rams
Add '104' (Don't resign) to that list, so the AI will fight to the last man. You can also use '50' (build fortification at the flared location) and they'll make castles and towers backed by military buildings at that spot. It's great for getting the AI to castle rush. In arena, '54' (build a wall between flared locations) is useful to get the AI to link your bases and replug holes in their wall.
Things you really dont want to say in Imp when playing archers: "Shit, i forgot about the Goth Player" But as ever great content^^ For the AI: In my experience the AI is kinda bad in reacting to drops (any kind. Drop a house and it get confused^^). Let it be alone, and it becomes a really decent opponent
Well the issue with the AIs are that they are attracted by castle. When I started out I was also only playing offline and what I learned pretty quickly is that even the extreme AI will send lots of army and villagers constanly into castles, especially grouped castles. So when Father castle dropped the AI's gate instantly, the Ai was screwed. Constantly sending what little units it had + stray villagers into it like that Mangonel you watched die. AI can't deal with dropped towers, TCs or castles. Douching is literally a free win in a 1v1 vs AI. So unless you forbid them from cheesing the AI like that it will always fail hard.
It's possible it could have gone a bit differently if you had saved your AI ally early. Extreme AI is much stronger in the late game than early game. They can't really respond to aggression well when they're trying to build up, mainly because they only react to alarms, not to having enemy units in their vision (easy to just massacre a woodline with them barely moving a single vil). But when they're fully boomed and in full army production they actually play decently well.
When father was able to execute the FC castle drop on the AI that meant that it was gonna be 6v1. AIs are terrible at defending castle drop rushes, more so when collecting res (3tc or imp). Perhaps adding a second very strong clown like FEDEX or similar could be viable. Kudos to you Hera for trying such tough machup!
@@skipper472 i appreciated how the opponents fooled around a little bit, no tryhard mode. but castledropping the AI was like a cheat, it shuts them down completely. i guess they didn't want to risk some of them basically playing against AI whole game, instead of having fun with Hera 11. that i can understand.
It was so wholesome to see a family having fun together playing aoe2! ❤️Definitely a memorable birthday for the birthday boy! And the father is a beast! 🤯
Love this kind of "challange". Almost as much I love your channel, your engagement and your humor. Question (I think you had this before): WHAT'S YOUR INSANE HEADPHONES FROM?
As a person who regularly plays games with/vs AI with friends, I can tell you that you got so unlucky with AI being Portugese. They always fast imp into do nothing when they get that civ. Same with Turks.
I think if you would’ve helped the AI, it would have been able to do its non stop spam in the late game which would’ve helped you with the pressure, still this was really fun to watch and your commentary was really funny.
Fast imp into feitorias with Portuguese is a fairly common strategy for the extreme AI to attempt on arena. The issue is they don't really know what to do if they get pressured, especially by castle drops and such. I think you'll find the extreme AI is much stronger once they're fully boomed on max pop. They also like to trade a lot as well in that situation. If you can find a way to get the AI to that point, i think you'll find them to be a much more useful ally lol
I think in the future for these 1v5 or 1v6s, you should be allowed to lame but they shouldn't be. So you can really leverage your micro into advantages pre-castle and slow them down before they all get to similar pop and just roll over you.
Would be useful for u to display stats on all the 1v3, 1v4, etc. For everyone to objectively see win rates and stuff like that. Make your editor count them and add a quick chart at the beginning and end of these videos.
I enjoy playing singleplayer vs AI's, however, I just have to let it boom cause it dies to any aggressive strat. It is pretty good at booming. So yeah, a early castle push? GG.
To make the ai stronger you could of had the extreme ai had more pop. With 300 or 400 pop it can get really scary since it can easily micro manage an economy that large.
Hera thank you very much for that video, it was very interesting. You should choose not that AI in future. It is not so good. If I am not mistake you test AI which names is "promi". It is strong but there is AI that was made by players and at some map they stronger. For example GamesGod, if I am not mistake. I work in the AI area and was very impressed by that video. I hope in future you test different AI in command) But now I stop writing and run to write my own AI)
I enjoyed that, thank you :). Yeah AI is kinda useless. It burned through its resources going fast Imperial which why it folded so quickly when Father seiged it. I think you might be able to make it some what useful if you give the AI like 200% or 300% economy boost. It might be more competent if its fast imperial and still have resources left over to deal with any early rushes.
my experience with AI teammates is... rough, there are some "advanced" commands, you can say like, attack X player, build X here, attack with X unit, etc. but its kinda random if they will obey you or not. AFAIK, there are some modded AIs or something that may play better or accept commands better, etc. but idk exactly. also, a command they usually obey is one that you tell them (early) to prepare to give you res, so they will sling you quite a bit, might be useful one more thing you could do to improve them is give them a handicap. they wont play better per se but will have more res and be a bit faster. about 120 is probably more than enough.
You got to use commands for AI and tell it what todo. Its not sentient so it doesnt know the strats we do, so gotta help it ouþ. There are tons of commands for this... so much more than thr base AOE2
for the next video: maybe u add some black screen at the end to stretch the video.. it was kind of obv. that u will not defeat 6 players within 30 minutes :D
This is one of those games where it almost might have gone better on non-arena, since the AI did such weird terribleness on arena and hardly got military. A regular open map extreme AI would have at least been useful. :P I haven't personally done a lot of extreme AI on arena, but I wonder if they don't perform at their regular level on that type of map. But ya, the Goths.
AI is always super aggro towards any kind of drop (castle, tower, TC, regular buildings) and will attack them immediatly with what they got, ofcourse only around their actual base. So Father knew how to cheese the AI hard and FC castle dropped it into Oblivion. That is all that happened.
I play mainly AI, and on Arena it is very easy. They are dumb as a stump when it comes to castles. Drop a castle and they run infinite skirms or mango against it for example. Maybe you need a different then standard AI. Viper tested with some I think.
I play a lot of Arena with AI team mates and opponents. Basically with certain civs (turks, portoguese, ecc..) they will always go fast imp, even as flank, but then instead of going all in with army they put down a second (and third) tc. After you kill their first wave of bc and hc they are done and they take so much time to recover. Btw, I think arena is kind of unfair for a 2 vs 6, may be arabia next time?
Honestly, I'm not sold on this IA matchup, specially on Arena, and as someone told (my biggest secret, noooo) Castle drop/Tower rush the IA basically shuts them down. I think a 2 v 6 with like a viewer would be more fun
Ai has been bugged on arena since they introduced mule cart civs. Fast imps into a boom now for some reason. Try immortal ai next time? If it can even play closed maps.
@@aa01blue38 I think people underestimate how much of an advantage the 6 player have.. 6 TCs vs 1.. And in Castle age onwards it multiplies even further. Hera could take them 1v3. But he would need a real pro with him to do a 2v6 not an AI that falls apart from any kind of TC, Tower, Castle drop.
Arena is probably the easiest map to deal with Extreme AI, even very casual player like me can do it, I think it was the first map for me where I was able to win Extreme AI.
ai actually mimics teammates pretty well by resigning outta nowhere
It didn't resign though. It was fully defeated 😆
Usually now, the so called A.I. which is just a script(I don't understand where all this A.I. nonsense came from) will not resign. Unless you resign first.
@@benjy117 Of course humans, with real intelligence, are nothing like a script. (Dog whistle)
@@benjy117 you seem quite young.
The 104 command ('Don't resign!') when in the 'everyone' text will make all AI fight till defeated. Allied AI will actively respond to this command with 'At once, sire!' or something along those lines.
Father soloing the extreme ai in 10 minutes is pretty funny, my dad also never played online but I would always watch him 1v3 extreme ais when I was a kid lol
Pros can't even 1v3 extreme AI..not saying you're a liar but either the extreme AI back then was the new moderate difficulty, or your dad cheated lol
@@Apokalypsiis Extreme AI back then didn't exist and the AI overall was much, much weaker. I could 1v3 the hardest AI difficulty back then even though I knew very little about the game; I didn't even have any idea that bonus damage was a thing.
@@Apokalypsiis Hardest AI back when 1st DLC was pretty dumb. You are guaranteed to take down 1 AI by dark or fuedal rush within minutes. The rest 2 just overwhelm them by good economy, no micro required. But still, you need to be above some casual players to do so.
@@martijnbouman8874 To be fair, they could have listed the bonus damage and hidden armors. It was their fault for not having enough details. It doesn't have to be in game, it could have just been on the tech scroll screen.
@@Apokalypsiis Extreme AI has been improved many times since DE was released. The old Extreme AI could easily be 1v7'd by pros. (I think old Extreme would be equivalent to Hardest today)
Hera needs to know how to get AI to do what you want, if he wants AI to be his teammate(s).
Taunt examples
43: What is Your Strategy
56: Train Units Which Counter the Enemy’s Army
80: Attack the Enemy With Scout Cavalry
87: Attack the Enemy With Knights
93: Attack the Enemy With Halberdiers and Rams
Add '104' (Don't resign) to that list, so the AI will fight to the last man.
You can also use '50' (build fortification at the flared location) and they'll make castles and towers backed by military buildings at that spot. It's great for getting the AI to castle rush.
In arena, '54' (build a wall between flared locations) is useful to get the AI to link your bases and replug holes in their wall.
Wow did he ever read this comment
I wish the father replied with "you're adopted" instantly.
It was a team message, Father did not even see it.
when your headset lights up red it looks like you are blushing haha 😂
Things you really dont want to say in Imp when playing archers: "Shit, i forgot about the Goth Player"
But as ever great content^^
For the AI: In my experience the AI is kinda bad in reacting to drops (any kind. Drop a house and it get confused^^). Let it be alone, and it becomes a really decent opponent
Yep 3v5 with 2 extremes should be fine since then theres a big likelyhood at least one ai can get to army
Extreme AI is more like 900 ELO nowadays and it dies to a rush every time. If you help it surivive it's decent in the late game.
Exactly, Extereme AI does not how to defend against early aggro.
To fix AI early game lackluster - need to give it 130%+ handicap.
Well the issue with the AIs are that they are attracted by castle. When I started out I was also only playing offline and what I learned pretty quickly is that even the extreme AI will send lots of army and villagers constanly into castles, especially grouped castles. So when Father castle dropped the AI's gate instantly, the Ai was screwed. Constantly sending what little units it had + stray villagers into it like that Mangonel you watched die. AI can't deal with dropped towers, TCs or castles. Douching is literally a free win in a 1v1 vs AI. So unless you forbid them from cheesing the AI like that it will always fail hard.
It's possible it could have gone a bit differently if you had saved your AI ally early. Extreme AI is much stronger in the late game than early game. They can't really respond to aggression well when they're trying to build up, mainly because they only react to alarms, not to having enemy units in their vision (easy to just massacre a woodline with them barely moving a single vil). But when they're fully boomed and in full army production they actually play decently well.
When the game starts you can tell the AI a strategy to follow so that it doesn't automatically fast-imps
When father was able to execute the FC castle drop on the AI that meant that it was gonna be 6v1. AIs are terrible at defending castle drop rushes, more so when collecting res (3tc or imp). Perhaps adding a second very strong clown like FEDEX or similar could be viable. Kudos to you Hera for trying such tough machup!
AI is very strong once it is fully boomed, but it has no idea how to defeat castle drops. Even tower rush on arena is very strong vs AI.
@@skipper472 i appreciated how the opponents fooled around a little bit, no tryhard mode. but castledropping the AI was like a cheat, it shuts them down completely. i guess they didn't want to risk some of them basically playing against AI whole game, instead of having fun with Hera 11. that i can understand.
I think AI just needs some safe time to stabilize their economy (min~25), and then they snowball well and would be less useless.
It was so wholesome to see a family having fun together playing aoe2! ❤️Definitely a memorable birthday for the birthday boy! And the father is a beast! 🤯
AI: "Father has been located here"
Hera: "Your mum has been located in my bed you bot"
Love this kind of "challange".
Almost as much I love your channel, your engagement and your humor.
Question (I think you had this before): WHAT'S YOUR INSANE HEADPHONES FROM?
The next logical step from here is to get "the invincible" or "rehoboam" Ai as your partner next!
barbarian
Best part was the AI resigning🤣
it was actually defeated
It did not resign, it was defeated.
once i saw hera get vietnamese i knew it was ova
What an awesome way to spend family day trying to destroy Hera lmao, GG all and very heart warming game 🎉😊
As a person who regularly plays games with/vs AI with friends, I can tell you that you got so unlucky with AI being Portugese. They always fast imp into do nothing when they get that civ. Same with Turks.
Bro that picture... that the best thing about aoe
I think if you would’ve helped the AI, it would have been able to do its non stop spam in the late game which would’ve helped you with the pressure, still this was really fun to watch and your commentary was really funny.
Does the AI get extra pop? if it does and you help them survive early, they're gonna be OP on late game
No only Hera gets extra pop.
Fast imp into feitorias with Portuguese is a fairly common strategy for the extreme AI to attempt on arena. The issue is they don't really know what to do if they get pressured, especially by castle drops and such. I think you'll find the extreme AI is much stronger once they're fully boomed on max pop. They also like to trade a lot as well in that situation. If you can find a way to get the AI to that point, i think you'll find them to be a much more useful ally lol
"The proper content is coming out, but funny game for now"
Sir the funny games are proper content, what are you talking about?
'Father' over here is a hardcore smurf lol... never plays online but rolls the extreme AI and has highest score.
I think in the future for these 1v5 or 1v6s, you should be allowed to lame but they shouldn't be. So you can really leverage your micro into advantages pre-castle and slow them down before they all get to similar pop and just roll over you.
The fact that the AI picked “Father” to randomly ping at the beginning of the game LOL
Hera: Sling me food
AI: Nah let me cook
hera next time you do this you should pick an easy civ that would fit the map for AI so it doesn't do fancy stuff like fast imp for no reason
It seems you need an AI mod in *some of* these games. Dunno if that works with the pop mod or not tho
Loved watching this. Would love to watch a game where AI is programmed to go full Monk rush.
Well played, family!
Would be useful for u to display stats on all the 1v3, 1v4, etc. For everyone to objectively see win rates and stuff like that. Make your editor count them and add a quick chart at the beginning and end of these videos.
I enjoy playing singleplayer vs AI's, however, I just have to let it boom cause it dies to any aggressive strat. It is pretty good at booming. So yeah, a early castle push? GG.
Btw Hera, next time you a challenge like this, ill play with you. Im slightly more competent than an AI but still not very good :)
Well played, we definitely need a rematch here!
Love the variety of matchups 👏
This game was so funny man, also more playing with AI vs ppl!!
4:39 I was that guy 11. He acknowledged the 2400 chess rating in the video tho :)
I love the family nicknames.
Those guys with the LAN party must have had the best night playing you ❤️
awesome Video Idea more of that kind of content pls
This content route has been the most enjoyable to watch for sure. Love the games against the viewers.
I love the extreme AI games!
I think it was just bad luck that the AI went fast imp and got steamrolled
Hera, could you have used SO to cut down trees in the back of your base to make space for farms and pop expansion?
0:23 That tilted picture on the wall annoyed me more than it should have
Its New Zealand. The world is tilted in the land down under.
Father was dominating 💪🏻
You should have expanded jnto the AIs space rightaway
the moment you see AI went fast imp you should have gone over to protect it so it would be able to build the top units maybe
both hera and AI had a castle on their face, its quite hard 11
@@agustinfranco0 Hera had 3 castles blocking him and the AI haha
AI gave up when you're hopes were high cuz it was salty bcuz you didnt give it food lmao
To make the ai stronger you could of had the extreme ai had more pop. With 300 or 400 pop it can get really scary since it can easily micro manage an economy that large.
Never mind lol it never even lasted that long
Would be fun to see a rematch but this time with the real Viper instead of AI. I think that would be pretty close
I think your only chance was to use the advantage of having extra pop. There were those castles to worry, but you really needed to boom earlier.
Shoutout from the Philippines!!
@hera I think you discovered my twin!!! Guy on the far left of Introduction of players. Please connect lol
More of this please i love your videos mate 🎉
Would be cool to see a rematch of this but your team has 1.3x res.
Maybe try Rehoboam or Barbarian as AI partner next time 11
Is the AI standard? I have my AI DE version on medium making 100 eagle warriors in 14 minutes of the game and is keep pushing
Maybe try it with you doing a double start where essentially you control the AI player
lightblue produced like 10 military and was not yet on the battlefield
Instead of applying a max of players depending on their elo you could try using the handicap, I've seen Tatoh do it once against 7 players
Hera thank you very much for that video, it was very interesting. You should choose not that AI in future. It is not so good. If I am not mistake you test AI which names is "promi". It is strong but there is AI that was made by players and at some map they stronger. For example GamesGod, if I am not mistake. I work in the AI area and was very impressed by that video. I hope in future you test different AI in command) But now I stop writing and run to write my own AI)
I enjoyed that, thank you :). Yeah AI is kinda useless. It burned through its resources going fast Imperial which why it folded so quickly when Father seiged it. I think you might be able to make it some what useful if you give the AI like 200% or 300% economy boost. It might be more competent if its fast imperial and still have resources left over to deal with any early rushes.
my experience with AI teammates is... rough, there are some "advanced" commands, you can say like, attack X player, build X here, attack with X unit, etc. but its kinda random if they will obey you or not.
AFAIK, there are some modded AIs or something that may play better or accept commands better, etc. but idk exactly.
also, a command they usually obey is one that you tell them (early) to prepare to give you res, so they will sling you quite a bit, might be useful
one more thing you could do to improve them is give them a handicap. they wont play better per se but will have more res and be a bit faster. about 120 is probably more than enough.
You should try with an Immortal AI partner. It's a beast. It can micro and is hard AF to kill off
Looking forward to see this one later tonight 🎉🎉
You got to use commands for AI and tell it what todo. Its not sentient so it doesnt know the strats we do, so gotta help it ouþ.
There are tons of commands for this... so much more than thr base AOE2
for the next video: maybe u add some black screen at the end to stretch the video.. it was kind of obv. that u will not defeat 6 players within 30 minutes :D
This is one of those games where it almost might have gone better on non-arena, since the AI did such weird terribleness on arena and hardly got military. A regular open map extreme AI would have at least been useful. :P I haven't personally done a lot of extreme AI on arena, but I wonder if they don't perform at their regular level on that type of map.
But ya, the Goths.
AI is always super aggro towards any kind of drop (castle, tower, TC, regular buildings) and will attack them immediatly with what they got, ofcourse only around their actual base. So Father knew how to cheese the AI hard and FC castle dropped it into Oblivion. That is all that happened.
I play mainly AI, and on Arena it is very easy. They are dumb as a stump when it comes to castles. Drop a castle and they run infinite skirms or mango against it for example. Maybe you need a different then standard AI. Viper tested with some I think.
its crazy because portuguese is actually not a bad arena civ. i wish you could tell them what to do better like specifically go monks or go organ gun
Where can we download populationboost maps?
I play a lot of Arena with AI team mates and opponents. Basically with certain civs (turks, portoguese, ecc..) they will always go fast imp, even as flank, but then instead of going all in with army they put down a second (and third) tc. After you kill their first wave of bc and hc they are done and they take so much time to recover. Btw, I think arena is kind of unfair for a 2 vs 6, may be arabia next time?
Try a match with two insane AIs vs. 6 players next
Byzantines for the goth problem and SO cut to your AI to open up trade. Maybe gives you a better chance?
You have to tell the ia to attack the enemy. With the numbers.
First time online but has a lan party every weekend
What if you use one of the community AI’s like Rehoboam
Hera could have stood a chance if the AI had been allied with his six opponents.
I think the AI went fast imp ONLY because it was Portuguese. Otherwise it would boom normally. I suspect it's "written" into the AI script.
arena a.i. doesn't produce units until around the 35 minute mark
Honestly, I'm not sold on this IA matchup, specially on Arena, and as someone told (my biggest secret, noooo) Castle drop/Tower rush the IA basically shuts them down. I think a 2 v 6 with like a viewer would be more fun
I think you should give the AI some Handicap % especially on Arena.
You should do these games with Daut or Andrew
This would've been a fair game in a nomad or some kind of islands setting. The AI was far too weak.
for ai you could push to monk rush there are not bad
Lets go NZ!
I wonder if a different AI would do any better, like Immortal. I'm pretty sure it is better overall than the DE AI
I think if none the player had goths Hera would have more chances, goths just completely shutdown archer play which is a signature of vitanamese.
Try it on the max size map
Im ashamed being owned by Extreme AI after seeing this
Hera may try fight with 5 players with 2 extreme AI allies and also try Arabia map pls.
Ai has been bugged on arena since they introduced mule cart civs. Fast imps into a boom now for some reason. Try immortal ai next time? If it can even play closed maps.
Hera with 500 pop seems rather scary for the other team, idk if they can even get to 500 pop oof
nvm lol they're beasts
@@aa01blue38 I think people underestimate how much of an advantage the 6 player have.. 6 TCs vs 1.. And in Castle age onwards it multiplies even further. Hera could take them 1v3. But he would need a real pro with him to do a 2v6 not an AI that falls apart from any kind of TC, Tower, Castle drop.
lmao extreme AI mangonelling a castle
Too bad teammates whobgive up can't tranfer resources even if its like a free for all trade cart or have to pillage the local market for it
try it in arabia, i think the AI is better in open maps than the close one
Arena is probably the easiest map to deal with Extreme AI, even very casual player like me can do it, I think it was the first map for me where I was able to win Extreme AI.
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