In the jiraya fight all pain bodies were in capsules and he only released three of them. That’s why you don’t see the other three in the jutsu until the other three are dead and he awakens the other ones it’s very simple.
For everybody who doesn’t know a lot about Naruto Itachi is the only character in the entire series to kill someone through via Gen jujutsu illusion he literally breaks her mind . He shows her illusion where they spend the rest of their lives together, and they grow old together, and because she believed that they grew old together, she died mentally in the physical. He also killed another guy by torturing him with. no other character in the entire series has killed a single person with genjutsu is the only person
@ that also happened to a weakened form of the 4th since he had been defeated prior by Itachi due to Amaterasu and capture and brought to have the tailed beast extracted soooooo that made it indefinitely easier to do so. And having someone live their entire life out and succumb to death by thought of dying is absolutely insane. And to think this all happened in a pico second.
@@demontrekunjan4635 okay so we know hashirama chakra reserves are like crazy and Obito had hashirama cells so I feel like Obito could've kept him under genjutsu until he died of natural causes does that count as death my genjutsu?
@@sasukeoftheleaf3179 i mean we all love uchihas but I just can’t see someone with the rennegan ( even a slouch with the rennegan) being put under any ocular genjutsu
Those saying Itachi wins because of Tsukuyomi don’t pay attention well.. Rinnegan are immune to the infinite Tsukuyomi, the basic Tsukuyomi would do nothing to Nagato And itachi would have to beat all paths without dying of exhaustion, that includes beating immortal and invisible summons, paths/jutsu that can snatch your soul, jutsu that can resurrect paths etc. There would be no reason to assume Itachis sword of Totsuka cannot be absorbed as it is physical, visible and is chakra and the paths sealing does not require touch similar to the Karma seal We don’t when know of itachi has the chakra or stamina to use that effectively in battle as he has only used it as a edo tensei and after a short battle with Sasuke, using his susaano briefly literally killed him Itachi would have to avoid being stabbed by chakra rods that suppress your ability to use chakra and potentially makes you vulnerable to be controlled by Nagato We also have no idea if itachi can even stand in the presence of the real pain Nagato as even sage mode Naruto could have been turned into a path and controlled by Nagato If itachi is exhausted by fighting and defeating the 6 paths he would be vulnerable to nagatos overwhelming chakra
Totsuka blade was never said to be chakra. I said pein loses, but that's just because outnumber and outstat, I don't think pein necessarily has counters to itachi
@ it doesn’t need to be said to be chakra, lots of things aren’t said to be chakra but they clearly are. The sword of Totsuka is literally a part of itachis susanoo and cannot be used unless he summons his susanoo which is literally his chakra
@@egorapter that’s like assuming Sasukes susanoo arrows and swords aren’t chakra despite the fact that it looks exactly the same as his susanoo in colour and texture and can only be used with his susanoo Infact it is a part of his susanoo so it is not even a matter of using it ‘with’ and the same goes for itachis Yata mirror and sword of Totsuka
@ it is stated that pain would’ve lost to a jiriya with intel on his arsenal 💀. And jiriya with no intel still did relatively well despite knowing nothing about his opponent. We already know itachi is leagues above all of the sanin. The nine tails scales above pain the 6 tails to be exact. 14 y/o obito was able to subdue the nine tails. Base Minato was able to combat the 9 tails and obito. Kcm1 Naruto was stated to have had surpass base Minato, and itachi scales over all the characters I mentioned.💀 Itachi showed relatively to kcm1. No diffed nagato who is superior to pain. Nagato after he absorbed bees chakra. Nagato failed to react to itachis Amaterasu, only being able to absorb it after it hits him. Immediately dispatched of all of his summons and makes a plan to destroy his chibaku-tensai. Even solo itachi could just escape it with susano tho the fight would never get to that point. Then his final fight he shows superiority to ems Sasuke while fighting kabuto. Mind you ems Sasuke is kcm2 Naruto’s equal at this point💀. Beats kabuto who vastly outscales pain in every way possible. While in kabuto domain as well that gave him a massive advantage. Itachi no diffs pain. No pain/ nagato variant is even close to him in strength,speed, or intelligence. You try watching the show idiot
@@t2nexx561 Pain has better, stamina, endurance, versatility, crowd control, raw power and literally has a numerical advantage. He also isn't suffering drawbacks from spamming abilities. Did you watch the show? How about actually watching the show instead of: "iTAcHI mAgIC eYE."
Yeah if it's 6 paths of Pain Itachi wins. They are all way too slow for him. No way a path that can get tagged by Konohamaru keeps up. Due to Yada Pain can't pull Itachi out.
Just curious for debate material. did nagato ever tell Obito about the six paths of pain and how it all works? because we know Obito does ask if he's not aware like with edo tensei and he didn't have a rinnegan up to that point. I want to clarify I'm not asking if Obito knows if nagato has one, I want to know if Obito knows how the rinnegan works at the time like the rinnegan rods and all
@dominicwiltz689 see depending on if Obito has knowledge on the rinnegan or not, kind of sways my opinion on the pain versus Obito debate. Simply put if Obito has knowledge I think it's more likely Obito would win but if not I think it's more likely pain would win. But I think there's more evidence to suggest Obito is aware than to say he doesn't
@@Vendetta16134 pretty sure he does since not does he say he can use them when fighting naruto/bee/guy/kakashi but doesn't due to naruto knowing what the paths do/uses some of them on panel(six paths jinchurikis and absorbs kakashi's kurama cloak with the preta path, asks kabuto if he should use naraka on yamato for information)/screen but there is absolutely nobody else that could of taught him since madara was dead, zetsu cannot teach him since nagato did not know about project tsuki no me and teaching him would most likely break his facade of being the "weakest in the akatsuki so the only option left is obito, which may also be in character since he taught itachi stuff about the sharingan.
@joshlariviere152 I always thought the rinnegan granted the use of all the abilities just not to know how like six paths sage mode, like Sasuke was never taught how to use the rinnegan just knew how to use the abilities but had to figure out how to combo them. Kind of like knowing how to shoot a gun but not knowing how to switch it from single to automatic if that makes sense. Plus I mean like prior to having the rinnegan is he aware of the extra abilities like the shared vision, if one path is put under gen is he aware they all aren't, stuff like that.
@ColbyTooley Sasuke was able to use the Deva abilities and he could absorb Chakra, but it's a little like the sharingan in that the abilities happen with or without conscious effort (Obito accidently slipping through Rin) but it takes practice to unlock all of one's unique skills and achieve mastery.
He’s not surviving the spirit blade either which is the most powerful thing Itachi has it’s bodying all of them just like it did not Nagato who is a vastly more powerful version. And kabuto had them on auto protection mode so that they would do anything and everything to protect themselves and he couldn’t even protect himself from the blade. He was immediately defeated once Itachi revealed the blade. Just like every other individual that has ever seen the blade was defeated almost instantly except his brother who he wanted to keep alive.
@@demontrekunjan4635 spirit blade gets absorbed. Itachi only caught him through the smoke which happened after itachi needed help to stop the chibaku tensei.
@ Nagato can react to any of that and he couldn’t stop the spirit blade. All he has to do is literally just start his chalk absorption and has nothing to do with the smoke. He can’t absorb the blade. The blade has no form. If he would could’ve absorbed it, he would have absorbed it. Kabuto has the do tensai on auto protection mode they will do anything and everything in their power to protect themselves if they don’t have an answer to the move, they can’t protect themselves. It’s a simple as that.
@@demontrekunjan4635of course the blade has a form lol it can be seen..clearly, and it’s made of chakra It’s just has a very OP sealing ability but nagatos absorption doesn’t require physical touch similar to karma
@@runredrambodebatable as to whether or not it has a physical form. It’s repeatedly referred to as a spiritual weapon so whether or not it has a actual physical form who the fuck knows at this point
The paths share their vision. If any path gets hit with Tsukiyomi it would affect Nagato. Jiraiya's genjutsu wasn't ocular. They are all connected via eyes/mentally. No genjutsu is comparable to Tsukiyomi besides it's stronger infinite version and that shit that chick uses in Boruto (idgaf who she is because I didn't read that crap.)
Each eye has specific abilities and gifts that the other ones do not have the Riggan doesn’t see the definition of chakra is good as the Bakugan it doesn’t have the ability to cast illusions on just by looking at them like the sharing gone what it has is the ability to tap into all chakra natures helps you understand them much better than any other to other dojutsu . And the fact you have all the abilities that come with it is why it would be considered superior not that it is unaffected by anything lower than it Even pain him himself says if jiraya knew the truth he would’ve won and I do believe that that’s true because he would’ve never got caught by the bodies and he would’ve approached that fight completely differently. He walked into a trap . Kakashi with Choji and his dad nearly defeated, deva path by themselves. Please stop gassing up pain people. He is an awesome character and he is definitely powerful as fuck, but he is not beating a Itachi or Obito.
U a clown Pain blew up fought jiraya blew up the village and drained his chakra like crazy. The deva path and asura path was not even fighting at full power let alone worried about fuckin kakashi. Kakashi constantly is saying statements tat show the gap between them. Pain did all of that back to back and still almost won. But choji and kakashi had no fuckin chance.
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I will say this now Itachi defeats pain no problem frog song worked on them then tsukiomi will as well. And Suki is controlled by Itachi how long you’re in there how long your mind is in there? So Nagato would have to go through the experience of that jujutsu. He is not surviving that. If itachi doesn’t want him to. Pain loses.
Frog song worked because it was an audible genjutsu lol we literally get told/shown by the author via Sasuke that Rinnegan are immune to infinite Tsukuyomi so how in the world would the basic version work lool
Even the frog song didn't affect Nagato himself. Just the paths. So if Itachi is able to put Nagato in genjutsu (and I don't think he will be able to), only the path that is capture will be affected. There is no way for itachi to put Nagato himself into tsukyomi since he will only be able to manipulate the chakra of the path and not Nagato himself
@@demontrekunjan4635 sage mode Naruto could have been tuned into a path just by being in Nagatos presence lmao he chose to hear Naruto out as opposed to killing him. There is no way that itachi beats the paths and still have enough chakra and stamina for nagatos overwhelming chakra to have the exact same effect on him.. gg’s where ? Nagatos real body can use all the paths
In the jiraya fight all pain bodies were in capsules and he only released three of them. That’s why you don’t see the other three in the jutsu until the other three are dead and he awakens the other ones it’s very simple.
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this topic comes down to ‘can tsukiyomi hit multiple pains at once’ and ‘can tendo blow amateratsu off of himself if he’s already on fire’
In the jiraya fight all pain bodies were in capsules and he only released three of them. That’s why you don’t see the other three in the jutsu until the other three are dead and he awakens the other ones it’s very simple.
For everybody who doesn’t know a lot about Naruto Itachi is the only character in the entire series to kill someone through via Gen jujutsu illusion he literally breaks her mind . He shows her illusion where they spend the rest of their lives together, and they grow old together, and because she believed that they grew old together, she died mentally in the physical. He also killed another guy by torturing him with. no other character in the entire series has killed a single person with genjutsu is the only person
Obito kiled the 4th mizukage with genjutsu it was so strong that when they tried to break it he died and he was under genjutsu for years
@ he didn’t kill him with Gutsu. He controlled him.
@ that also happened to a weakened form of the 4th since he had been defeated prior by Itachi due to Amaterasu and capture and brought to have the tailed beast extracted soooooo that made it indefinitely easier to do so. And having someone live their entire life out and succumb to death by thought of dying is absolutely insane. And to think this all happened in a pico second.
@@demontrekunjan4635 okay so we know hashirama chakra reserves are like crazy and Obito had hashirama cells so I feel like Obito could've kept him under genjutsu until he died of natural causes does that count as death my genjutsu?
@@passive-brawlstars Obito didn't have hashirama levels of chakra until he became The ten tails jinchuuriki The genjutsu killed no one in ur scenario
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N… no? Obito, even with Orange Mask, is slaughtering Itachi or Nagato.
@@nicodemusedwards6931 I’m sorry to hear that
@@nicodemusedwards6931prove that.
@@sasukeoftheleaf3179 i mean we all love uchihas but I just can’t see someone with the rennegan ( even a slouch with the rennegan) being put under any ocular genjutsu
Nagato and Obito are both Itachi victims. That tells you all you need to know.
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Those saying Itachi wins because of Tsukuyomi don’t pay attention well..
Rinnegan are immune to the infinite Tsukuyomi, the basic Tsukuyomi would do nothing to Nagato
And itachi would have to beat all paths without dying of exhaustion, that includes beating immortal and invisible summons, paths/jutsu that can snatch your soul, jutsu that can resurrect paths etc.
There would be no reason to assume Itachis sword of Totsuka cannot be absorbed as it is physical, visible and is chakra and the paths sealing does not require touch similar to the Karma seal
We don’t when know of itachi has the chakra or stamina to use that effectively in battle as he has only used it as a edo tensei and after a short battle with Sasuke, using his susaano briefly literally killed him
Itachi would have to avoid being stabbed by chakra rods that suppress your ability to use chakra and potentially makes you vulnerable to be controlled by Nagato
We also have no idea if itachi can even stand in the presence of the real pain Nagato as even sage mode Naruto could have been turned into a path and controlled by Nagato
If itachi is exhausted by fighting and defeating the 6 paths he would be vulnerable to nagatos overwhelming chakra
Does Itachi have koto? And how does pain beat susanoo while also not exposing himself to toska blade or AM?
Totsuka blade was never said to be chakra.
I said pein loses, but that's just because outnumber and outstat, I don't think pein necessarily has counters to itachi
@ it doesn’t need to be said to be chakra, lots of things aren’t said to be chakra but they clearly are. The sword of Totsuka is literally a part of itachis susanoo and cannot be used unless he summons his susanoo which is literally his chakra
@@egorapter that’s like assuming Sasukes susanoo arrows and swords aren’t chakra despite the fact that it looks exactly the same as his susanoo in colour and texture and can only be used with his susanoo
Infact it is a part of his susanoo so it is not even a matter of using it ‘with’ and the same goes for itachis Yata mirror and sword of Totsuka
@runredrambo The series outright tells us it's not part of it I don't know what you're talking about
Pain destroys Itachi obviously...
why
@AidenB1010 Are you looking for an actual explanation? Or trolling?
Pain scales so far below itachi it’s actually sad. Sasuke wasn’t even said to be itachis equal/superior until he unlocked ems
@@E1tigre You obviously didn't watch the show. Come back when you have.
@ it is stated that pain would’ve lost to a jiriya with intel on his arsenal 💀. And jiriya with no intel still did relatively well despite knowing nothing about his opponent. We already know itachi is leagues above all of the sanin.
The nine tails scales above pain the 6 tails to be exact. 14 y/o obito was able to subdue the nine tails. Base Minato was able to combat the 9 tails and obito.
Kcm1 Naruto was stated to have had surpass base Minato, and itachi scales over all the characters I mentioned.💀
Itachi showed relatively to kcm1. No diffed nagato who is superior to pain. Nagato after he absorbed bees chakra.
Nagato failed to react to itachis Amaterasu, only being able to absorb it after it hits him.
Immediately dispatched of all of his summons and makes a plan to destroy his chibaku-tensai.
Even solo itachi could just escape it with susano tho the fight would never get to that point.
Then his final fight he shows superiority to ems Sasuke while fighting kabuto. Mind you ems Sasuke is kcm2 Naruto’s equal at this point💀. Beats kabuto who vastly outscales pain in every way possible. While in kabuto domain as well that gave him a massive advantage.
Itachi no diffs pain. No pain/ nagato variant is even close to him in strength,speed, or intelligence. You try watching the show idiot
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Itachi scales way above Pain in speed
@@t2nexx561 That's cute Pain scales above Itachi in literally every other category besides IQ.
@@wallywest7800 lol so every "other category" you mean ap fantastic he still loses
@@t2nexx561 Pain has better, stamina, endurance, versatility, crowd control, raw power and literally has a numerical advantage. He also isn't suffering drawbacks from spamming abilities. Did you watch the show?
How about actually watching the show instead of: "iTAcHI mAgIC eYE."
@@wallywest7800 lol you got it buddy
@@t2nexx561 You really think a sick and dying Itachi is beating a full power Six Paths of Pain? Think about it bro, it doesn't even sound right.
Yeah if it's 6 paths of Pain Itachi wins. They are all way too slow for him. No way a path that can get tagged by Konohamaru keeps up. Due to Yada Pain can't pull Itachi out.
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Just curious for debate material. did nagato ever tell Obito about the six paths of pain and how it all works? because we know Obito does ask if he's not aware like with edo tensei and he didn't have a rinnegan up to that point. I want to clarify I'm not asking if Obito knows if nagato has one, I want to know if Obito knows how the rinnegan works at the time like the rinnegan rods and all
At the least, Madera prolly did
@dominicwiltz689 see depending on if Obito has knowledge on the rinnegan or not, kind of sways my opinion on the pain versus Obito debate. Simply put if Obito has knowledge I think it's more likely Obito would win but if not I think it's more likely pain would win. But I think there's more evidence to suggest Obito is aware than to say he doesn't
@@Vendetta16134 pretty sure he does since not does he say he can use them when fighting naruto/bee/guy/kakashi but doesn't due to naruto knowing what the paths do/uses some of them on panel(six paths jinchurikis and absorbs kakashi's kurama cloak with the preta path, asks kabuto if he should use naraka on yamato for information)/screen but there is absolutely nobody else that could of taught him since madara was dead, zetsu cannot teach him since nagato did not know about project tsuki no me and teaching him would most likely break his facade of being the "weakest in the akatsuki so the only option left is obito, which may also be in character since he taught itachi stuff about the sharingan.
@joshlariviere152 I always thought the rinnegan granted the use of all the abilities just not to know how like six paths sage mode, like Sasuke was never taught how to use the rinnegan just knew how to use the abilities but had to figure out how to combo them. Kind of like knowing how to shoot a gun but not knowing how to switch it from single to automatic if that makes sense. Plus I mean like prior to having the rinnegan is he aware of the extra abilities like the shared vision, if one path is put under gen is he aware they all aren't, stuff like that.
@ColbyTooley Sasuke was able to use the Deva abilities and he could absorb Chakra, but it's a little like the sharingan in that the abilities happen with or without conscious effort (Obito accidently slipping through Rin) but it takes practice to unlock all of one's unique skills and achieve mastery.
How does he never talk about totsuka blade lmao
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nagato just absorbs everything but tsukuyomi but even that might not do much.
He’s not surviving the spirit blade either which is the most powerful thing Itachi has it’s bodying all of them just like it did not Nagato who is a vastly more powerful version. And kabuto had them on auto protection mode so that they would do anything and everything to protect themselves and he couldn’t even protect himself from the blade. He was immediately defeated once Itachi revealed the blade. Just like every other individual that has ever seen the blade was defeated almost instantly except his brother who he wanted to keep alive.
@@demontrekunjan4635 spirit blade gets absorbed. Itachi only caught him through the smoke which happened after itachi needed help to stop the chibaku tensei.
@ Nagato can react to any of that and he couldn’t stop the spirit blade. All he has to do is literally just start his chalk absorption and has nothing to do with the smoke. He can’t absorb the blade. The blade has no form. If he would could’ve absorbed it, he would have absorbed it. Kabuto has the do tensai on auto protection mode they will do anything and everything in their power to protect themselves if they don’t have an answer to the move, they can’t protect themselves. It’s a simple as that.
@@demontrekunjan4635of course the blade has a form lol it can be seen..clearly, and it’s made of chakra
It’s just has a very OP sealing ability but nagatos absorption doesn’t require physical touch similar to karma
@@runredrambodebatable as to whether or not it has a physical form. It’s repeatedly referred to as a spiritual weapon so whether or not it has a actual physical form who the fuck knows at this point
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The paths share their vision. If any path gets hit with Tsukiyomi it would affect Nagato. Jiraiya's genjutsu wasn't ocular. They are all connected via eyes/mentally. No genjutsu is comparable to Tsukiyomi besides it's stronger infinite version and that shit that chick uses in Boruto (idgaf who she is because I didn't read that crap.)
Each eye has specific abilities and gifts that the other ones do not have the Riggan doesn’t see the definition of chakra is good as the Bakugan it doesn’t have the ability to cast illusions on just by looking at them like the sharing gone what it has is the ability to tap into all chakra natures helps you understand them much better than any other to other dojutsu . And the fact you have all the abilities that come with it is why it would be considered superior not that it is unaffected by anything lower than it Even pain him himself says if jiraya knew the truth he would’ve won and I do believe that that’s true because he would’ve never got caught by the bodies and he would’ve approached that fight completely differently. He walked into a trap . Kakashi with Choji and his dad nearly defeated, deva path by themselves. Please stop gassing up pain people. He is an awesome character and he is definitely powerful as fuck, but he is not beating a Itachi or Obito.
U a clown Pain blew up fought jiraya blew up the village and drained his chakra like crazy. The deva path and asura path was not even fighting at full power let alone worried about fuckin kakashi. Kakashi constantly is saying statements tat show the gap between them. Pain did all of that back to back and still almost won. But choji and kakashi had no fuckin chance.
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Pain is stated to be the strongest member of the akatsuki in the data books what’s up with the long ass video.
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Konan could just snap Nagato out of the genjutsu
he just fighting nagato tho not konan
I will say this now Itachi defeats pain no problem frog song worked on them then tsukiomi will as well. And Suki is controlled by Itachi how long you’re in there how long your mind is in there? So Nagato would have to go through the experience of that jujutsu. He is not surviving that. If itachi doesn’t want him to. Pain loses.
Frog song worked because it was an audible genjutsu lol we literally get told/shown by the author via Sasuke that Rinnegan are immune to infinite Tsukuyomi so how in the world would the basic version work lool
Even the frog song didn't affect Nagato himself. Just the paths. So if Itachi is able to put Nagato in genjutsu (and I don't think he will be able to), only the path that is capture will be affected. There is no way for itachi to put Nagato himself into tsukyomi since he will only be able to manipulate the chakra of the path and not Nagato himself
@ he could kill all of the bodies then Nagato just sits in the tree somewhere and can’t move without Conan help GG for Itachi
Frog Song is stated to be the strongest Genjustu in the databook at that point in the series, can’t prove Tsukuyomi has the same effect
@@demontrekunjan4635 sage mode Naruto could have been tuned into a path just by being in Nagatos presence lmao he chose to hear Naruto out as opposed to killing him. There is no way that itachi beats the paths and still have enough chakra and stamina for nagatos overwhelming chakra to have the exact same effect on him.. gg’s where ? Nagatos real body can use all the paths
In the jiraya fight all pain bodies were in capsules and he only released three of them. That’s why you don’t see the other three in the jutsu until the other three are dead and he awakens the other ones it’s very simple.