@silverrwing I think it's a disco ball of Smartbombs. You can smartbomb missiles in flight, so with enough people, you can knock down most of the missiles before they reach their target.
Oppenheimer in the opening totally took me by surprise. What an apt description of large-scale space warfare. "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."
Very impressive counter to the drake blob. And there is a LOT of drakes in that video. I can see that the Logis are in the middle somewhat protected by the wall of Smarties going off. And if any of the BS gets concentrated fire, they will move to the mid of the ball with the logis and also within the wall of death protecting them from further damage. The FIREWALL does seem limited in terms of mobility and DPS, but it is a very good defensive stance against a drake blob.
@fazerboy A very powerful computer, also recording to a hard drive separate from the one with EvE installed on. Writing to a hard drive you're using to play a game with reduces the performance sharply.
@Speedkoenig Why should we worry about keeping our allies alive? If they die and we survive that's their fault not ours for not being able to adapt to counter a very annoying fleet make-up.
@ veteran4life, i agree, they should upgrade defenders so that they intercept all missiles aimed at your fleet, trouble is how that'll affect server performance, with potentially double the number of missiles going off, and the calculations involved in each defender missile hitting each incoming missile.. @ EVEskyral can you link your system specs to run eve like this? cheers
I always love to see Drakes get the shit kicked out of them, great video by the way really well put together, and I even like the music :p and the Oppenheimer sound bite!
@TheKainMan Indeed, whatever computer this was recorded on likely has tripple channel RAM and at least 6 GB, as well as a kick ass GPU. As far as the Tranquility cluster is concerned, it's probably one of the most powerful gaming servers ever made.
AAA - "OUR DRAKE ARMY MISSILES WILL BLOT OUT THE SUN!" Init - "then our disco bs fleet will dance in the shade, immune to your pathetic missiles due to our sheer epic awesomeness generated by our dance moves"
@VernnMiller At 1:45 there's an Oneiros in the lower-right. At 3:15 and 3:30 there's a Guardian at right-of-center top. Logistics was *in the ball* with them. If the reppers had been outside at optimal, I'd think it would have been pretty easy to chase them off too. Regardless, this is one of the coolest looking things I've seen in a while.
This is interesting. What exatly happened here and just interested in what went on here. Havent played eve in a while. Wonder what the sets were against the drakes and they're fleets.
@BlackDice572 - I think the Drake is fine how it is...if anything, I think they should maybe make it a little longer to train the skills for- in my eyes it isn't the best ship in the game, but it's probably the best if your new because you can train for one (minimally) in like a week and a half.
i might just train battleships for this after all, thought i would be of more value in hacs, but looks like this is the way to go against drake mobs until something is done to more evenly balance them
when we tested this in GE I thought its when of the most stupid things i ever saw in EVE... then we brought it to the battlefield... it was simply awesome! :)
@HellownElijah Smartbombs do instant damage to everything around them. Missiles have health and take time to get from point A to point B. So if enough people pulse their SBs at staggered intervals, the missiles take enough damage to be destroyed before they hit the ships. Moral of the story: Use projectiles. :P
Love the strategy here guys. Did the 17 casualties die from missile leaks or from oversmart-bombing (or even a combo of that). Makes me want to re-sub to Eve.
@Barbaro55a it's not all about alpha, a drake's advantage is that it's tough easy to fit and cheap. It's alot easier to get pilots to risk them, and they're so simple that coordination is a breeze. In effect it takes much less player skill to use a drake effectively, takes fewer skills trained to fit effectively, and it's much easier to run a fleet that's homogeneous so less skilled FC's can use them effectively, they have the greatest EHP of all the BC's as well which is a big factor also.
@lox12 good ! I did not whine when they nerfed the bomber... i just adapted and change ship. Maybe that's all competent pilots will have to do... others can just go play something else.
Wow, that was a VERY innovative tactic by INIT! Fantastic video, but could've chosen better music :P. For a few moments in that video, when you see all the Drakes orbiting around, it looked like a scene from Matrix Reloaded where they fight the robots :).
@ltsteel the tank comes from its 5% bonus and rigs and 1 large shield extender. ccp based caldari around missiles and if missiles can hit out to 80km then thats kinda tough shit. i fly all races and the drake is the only real good caldari t1 sup cap. the rohk decent sniper but way way to expensive. compared to the other race snipers raven good in lowsec with t2 torps but fail in 0.0 and then the scorp. as i said the drake is a good ship if people want to use a 1000 of them then owell.
You completely shut out the firepower of 300 Drakes by intercepting the missiles with Smartbombs?? Am I seeing that right? What damage type were the bombs and how did you fit/orient things so that the fleet ships weren't damaging each other?
@jmoseph767 Haha, yeah that whole thing looked SO awesome. Major props to The Initiative for taking the initiative and showing one of the major weaknesses of a large fleet of drakes. Namely, it's a large fleet of ONE ship. Seriously, this isn't that hard people. Heavy Kinetic resists and crap tons of lasers and they MELT.
Great vid! How did it work out for ya today in TR07-S and E-PROS....lulz ProTip : Your ships exploding won't stop the missiles. At least you took the Initiative and tried that out of the ship tactic though.
@sylek0 for some reason i have a hard time believing a US player is apart of a Russian alliance so your either En grade or SW and idk if you notice or not but 1 theres allot of lag 2 the fleet ops are during EU time and again your a US player so the times don't match either given the time of this response your most likely on during US TZ so what alliance are you in and how are you making these ops that are around noon EST
Armor BS + logis conters Drake blobs like it always did (better EHP//Damage projection//room for ewar). However a single pr0 bomber squad will always send clumped up Battleships packing. And then the drakes are there to pick up the pieces.
@Warrules I wish I could have thought of that. I don't get into the game mechanics enough to figure out that kind of counter. I didn't know smart bombs would pop incomeing missiles. But Drakes have that kind of alpha? I thought Minitar had better alpha. Not trying to raise a pointless debate. I feel like an idiot when i see this stuff sometimes. Like a train that runs right over lol
@silverrwing I think it's a disco ball of Smartbombs. You can smartbomb missiles in flight, so with enough people, you can knock down most of the missiles before they reach their target.
watching this in 2013 and still gives me goosebumps! Clever - Smart - Init :)
Sep 4th 2021:
captain's log: goosebumps are still active
o7
Song is Raver's Fantasy by Tune Up
Oppenheimer in the opening totally took me by surprise. What an apt description of large-scale space warfare. "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."
Those fights were some of the best times I've had in eve online.
o/
Specific argument aside, that's probably the most elegantly filmed EVE fight I've ever seen.
@HolySwordofLight Either it's for the lightshow, to pop frigs and drones, or they are doing a "lowsec-DD".
Very impressive counter to the drake blob. And there is a LOT of drakes in that video.
I can see that the Logis are in the middle somewhat protected by the wall of Smarties going off. And if any of the BS gets concentrated fire, they will move to the mid of the ball with the logis and also within the wall of death protecting them from further damage.
The FIREWALL does seem limited in terms of mobility and DPS, but it is a very good defensive stance against a drake blob.
Probably the best video i've seen about EVE Online =)
@Naztheratul youtube figure it out nowadays and puts in the bottom of the info box, then you can buy mp3
@HmnBeing I am guessing the main disco BS fleet was grouped up together and they had logis at optimals thus not getting damaged?
@fazerboy A very powerful computer, also recording to a hard drive separate from the one with EvE installed on. Writing to a hard drive you're using to play a game with reduces the performance sharply.
I was wondering how long before someone tried this. Nice job.
@Speedkoenig
Why should we worry about keeping our allies alive? If they die and we survive that's their fault not ours for not being able to adapt to counter a very annoying fleet make-up.
R.I.P Init. , I had the best time in eve with you guys :(
I know this is literally 9 years later, but INIT is still around and still punches way above its weight, hasn't gone anywhere.
Long live the Initiative.
J. Robert Oppenheimer R.I.P.
I just love the Oppenheimer quote. It's somehow very fitting.
@ veteran4life, i agree, they should upgrade defenders so that they intercept all missiles aimed at your fleet, trouble is how that'll affect server performance, with potentially double the number of missiles going off, and the calculations involved in each defender missile hitting each incoming missile..
@ EVEskyral can you link your system specs to run eve like this? cheers
They are poping missles and are tanked against their bombs, making them almost fully resistant. Very nice idea. :D
I always love to see Drakes get the shit kicked out of them, great video by the way really well put together, and I even like the music :p and the Oppenheimer sound bite!
That was nothing short of amazing! I love it in Init!
raver's fantasy.. the best song ever used for eve vids, reminds me of the PERVS low sec DD this is just as good!!!
The drakes fly around like its a school of fish. EPIC!
@TheKainMan Indeed, whatever computer this was recorded on likely has tripple channel RAM and at least 6 GB, as well as a kick ass GPU.
As far as the Tranquility cluster is concerned, it's probably one of the most powerful gaming servers ever made.
AAA - "OUR DRAKE ARMY MISSILES WILL BLOT OUT THE SUN!"
Init - "then our disco bs fleet will dance in the shade, immune to your pathetic missiles due to our sheer epic awesomeness generated by our dance moves"
Best combination of Robert Oppenheimer plus candy rave music ever.
@VernnMiller At 1:45 there's an Oneiros in the lower-right. At 3:15 and 3:30 there's a Guardian at right-of-center top. Logistics was *in the ball* with them. If the reppers had been outside at optimal, I'd think it would have been pretty easy to chase them off too.
Regardless, this is one of the coolest looking things I've seen in a while.
This is interesting. What exatly happened here and just interested in what went on here. Havent played eve in a while. Wonder what the sets were against the drakes and they're fleets.
@HellownElijah It works, yes, but only at moderate lag levels. As soon as the enemy drake armies increased to 800+ it was pointless.
@Timecontroll u cant make the price higher, its a player run economy
the drakes look like groups of hammerhead sharks when the video speeds up
@BlackDice572 - I think the Drake is fine how it is...if anything, I think they should maybe make it a little longer to train the skills for- in my eyes it isn't the best ship in the game, but it's probably the best if your new because you can train for one (minimally) in like a week and a half.
i might just train battleships for this after all, thought i would be of more value in hacs, but looks like this is the way to go against drake mobs until something is done to more evenly balance them
when we tested this in GE I thought its when of the most stupid things i ever saw in EVE... then we brought it to the battlefield... it was simply awesome! :)
@HellownElijah Smartbombs do instant damage to everything around them. Missiles have health and take time to get from point A to point B. So if enough people pulse their SBs at staggered intervals, the missiles take enough damage to be destroyed before they hit the ships.
Moral of the story: Use projectiles. :P
What's the name of the tune playing during Oppenheimer's speech ? Before Raver's Fantasy ?
music: Tune up! - Ravers fantasy 3:28
Tune up! - Ravers fantasy 3:28
Tune up! - Ravers fantasy 3:28
Love the strategy here guys. Did the 17 casualties die from missile leaks or from oversmart-bombing (or even a combo of that). Makes me want to re-sub to Eve.
Like schools of fish...
Wow, I've never seen that many ships in the same place.
Confused is that fire wall the drakes or crew of mixed battles.
INIT FTW !
Proud to be one of their guy's !
@Barbaro55a it's not all about alpha, a drake's advantage is that it's tough easy to fit and cheap. It's alot easier to get pilots to risk them, and they're so simple that coordination is a breeze.
In effect it takes much less player skill to use a drake effectively, takes fewer skills trained to fit effectively, and it's much easier to run a fleet that's homogeneous so less skilled FC's can use them effectively, they have the greatest EHP of all the BC's as well which is a big factor also.
@sylek0 correction 24 days ago
i guess we have to adjust that age old eve song. now it's
if you fly caldari, train amarr...
I was there :D Still the best FC i've had the honour of playing with is SisterBliss
@Yezeki eh well, last time i looked it was HP. thats when i bought my HP laptop
@pygar1369 If you want Max DMG, Tank and Speed. you will want to train your support skills to LV 5. I think that's long enough training.
@fred3000
What makes you think INIT. has died?
Its in the description
New favorite eve video!
For those that don't know, they are popping missiles with their smartbombs, completely stopping missile damage.
@lox12
good !
I did not whine when they nerfed the bomber... i just adapted and change ship. Maybe that's all competent pilots will have to do... others can just go play something else.
So... Did the firewall work? Do smartbombs block missiles coming through?
@G1lthanaz Well, Init. still is existing, but only on the paper, but if they reform, contact me, i will rejoin immediately
OMG all those drakes moving around reminding of leeches moving and sliding here and there
haha this is so old but takes be back to when i used to play this all day long
Crazy the drake fleet looks like a swarm of locus
Wow, that was a VERY innovative tactic by INIT! Fantastic video, but could've chosen better music :P. For a few moments in that video, when you see all the Drakes orbiting around, it looked like a scene from Matrix Reloaded where they fight the robots :).
@ltsteel the tank comes from its 5% bonus and rigs and 1 large shield extender. ccp based caldari around missiles and if missiles can hit out to 80km then thats kinda tough shit. i fly all races and the drake is the only real good caldari t1 sup cap. the rohk decent sniper but way way to expensive. compared to the other race snipers raven good in lowsec with t2 torps but fail in 0.0 and then the scorp. as i said the drake is a good ship if people want to use a 1000 of them then owell.
P.S. Whats the song for background for oppenheimers speech?
skyral from I.M.M Corp?
ok maybe i am dumb, but were they trying to destroy missiles by smartbombing so close to each other?
@HolySwordofLight Or actually trying to pop missiles...
You completely shut out the firepower of 300 Drakes by intercepting the missiles with Smartbombs?? Am I seeing that right?
What damage type were the bombs and how did you fit/orient things so that the fleet ships weren't damaging each other?
@jmoseph767 Haha, yeah that whole thing looked SO awesome.
Major props to The Initiative for taking the initiative and showing one of the major weaknesses of a large fleet of drakes. Namely, it's a large fleet of ONE ship. Seriously, this isn't that hard people. Heavy Kinetic resists and crap tons of lasers and they MELT.
Great vid! How did it work out for ya today in TR07-S and E-PROS....lulz
ProTip : Your ships exploding won't stop the missiles. At least you took the Initiative and tried that out of the ship tactic though.
wow great fight and one of the most epic and clever video ever seen, got my two thumbs up :)
Oppenheimer has become death the destroyer of worlds.
Best EVE vid i have seenin a wile!
The Cylons now fly drakes c/d?
Very nice mix of logistic pwnage there, the reason why drakes are only good against players who haven't planned well enough :)
@sylek0 for some reason i have a hard time believing a US player is apart of a Russian alliance so your either En grade or SW and idk if you notice or not but 1 theres allot of lag 2 the fleet ops are during EU time and again your a US player so the times don't match either given the time of this response your most likely on during US TZ so what alliance are you in and how are you making these ops that are around noon EST
Armor BS + logis conters Drake blobs like it always did (better EHP//Damage projection//room for ewar). However a single pr0 bomber squad will always send clumped up Battleships packing. And then the drakes are there to pick up the pieces.
i'm surprised no one has said that the drakes looks like sentinels from Matrix yet...
And this is stopping you how to increase build cost and thus the price of the ship?
THAT IS BATTLE MUSIC FOR EVE!!
The Myrmidon from 4:00-4:05 just looks so lost and confused.
the drakes look like fish all together like that
Truly epic for sure.
I was there... Hehe these fleets were fun while they lasted.
This was epic. Made all my gallente corp mates shut it for a second =)
Awsome job guys !!! I'm in 24th Crusade and i'd like this to happen more often LOL
OMG. Song. Song song SONG! PLEASE tell me the exact name and artist for this song. I MUST have it!
Awesome. Any fight where lots of drakes die is a good fight.
Nonsense, the music made it for me. That blob looked like a freaking rave party.
what was the first song???
What is that song starting 1:12?
@lox12
I'm really sorry to hear that.... Cose eve has way much to offer...
the drakes looked like a school of fish, true story
great vid....what`s the 1st song?
@Warrules I wish I could have thought of that. I don't get into the game mechanics enough to figure out that kind of counter. I didn't know smart bombs would pop incomeing missiles. But Drakes have that kind of alpha? I thought Minitar had better alpha. Not trying to raise a pointless debate. I feel like an idiot when i see this stuff sometimes. Like a train that runs right over lol
noooooooooo you have crushed our drake back bone
I DON"T KNOW WHAT'S GOING UP BUT IT'S FLASHY!
fucking amazing :) want moaaar
HAIL INIT. FIREWALL!
Whats the name of the song?
:o
Really awesome. And nice lights =D
brilliant~~what a shame i was not in the fleet that day, damn~
@ArchAngelThomas Nevermind. Found it! Ravers Fantasy 2009
no lag ???
4:10 best part. Smartbombs go in time with the music