Did you do backups with timemachine for your Mac? Because it says it’s important to do that when using bootcamp but I don’t have a something to put my data’s there
You should’ve made it more explicit that boot camp doesn’t work on Apple Silicon purely because Microsoft REFUSES to license Windows on ARM, and Apple has clearly stated Boot Camp would be brought back if Microsoft would license it out.
Can you blame them? It's pretty obvious to me the most glaring issue with windows laptops are the lack of good arm processors. Efficiency is really the one place that windows can't even come close to competing in my opinion. (Most other things are subjective/ preference). Explicitly supporting it would just demonstrate how far behind they are on ARM Plus it's not like apple is this really awesome company that lets their os be used on anything else anyway, so there's zero reciprocity incentive.
@@not0evn apple silicon macs are open by design, the fact that asahi works is no mistake.. Microsoft has had this bs contract with qualcomm for a while and that stops them from shipping windows on any other arm processor.
Been running Windows 10 on my MacBook 4,1 for years now as the only operating system. Decent enough for casual web browsing use long after Apple dropped operating system support with 10.7.5 Full driver support from Microsoft and other vendors in Windows 10 is amazing for a piece of Apple hardware from 2008.
You could have tried opencore patcher to run newer MacOS versions, and quite well at that afaik. Also the 4.1 can be flashed to 5.1 so you can run 10.13.6 natively. Or so I’ve heard.
For those who don’t want the hassle of dual booting or the performance penalty of virtual machines, there is an updated version of Wineskin Winery to create wine wrappers for individual Windows apps. I’m able to play a nice little array of my Steam and GOG games within MacOS using this method. For those unfamiliar, think Wine for Linux, but in a more user friendly format for Mac users.
@@ElijahCiali I haven’t played around a ton with Crossover, but you’re bang-on as Wineskin Winery is sort of its “community edition” cousin of sorts. I kinda like the greater tinker-ability of Wineskin, I started with it years ago and got my sea legs on Wine with it. The last time I tried Crossover I was a fish out of water and couldn’t figure out how to do the tinkering I have as muscle memory in Wineskin. Will have to give it a whirl again.
@@_Digitalguy interesting … have you checked your software against the Wine compatibility database? I don’t know how Crossover implements Winetricks, but I’ve been able to get software across various generations to work pretty well using Winetricks within Wineskin Winery. The compatibility database can give you some clues as to what tweaks you may need to make. You can also check log files for errors to pinpoint potential fixable failure points. Again, not sure how all of that is oriented in Crossover, but it’s all accessible within Wineskin.
@@BrianJones-wk8cx the whole appeal of crossover is you don't even have to know about wine or winetricks, you one click install and run a lot of games, and btw a lot of the crossover devs are also wine devs
Just so happens this is my exact situation. I am a converted previous employee and owner of many old iMacs and I’d love to turn one into a basic PC for my kids to use. Thanks for coincidentally covering exactly what I needed and making it seem easy 😁❤
My daily desktop is an old 2007 Core2 Duo iMac. Since Apple no longer supports this hardware, and most security certificates just don't work, I installed Pop!_OS on it a year ago. I became a Linux user since then, and I'm not going back.
I don’t think Apple is that upset about the Hackintosh community. As long as nobody is selling them (and even then, you can find custom hackintosh builds for sale ranging from little nucs to Mac Pro competitors that have better specs at half the cost, and keep the mid 2000s Apple aesthetic if you want that.) and that doesn’t even mention Open Core Legacy Patcher, which makes an old Mac a really good budget PC option if your priorities are productivity and being able to leverage the Apple ecosystem. (And some light light gaming. I’ve played some Civ 6 on my late 2014 iMac) Apple never leaned into open source as much as I would like…I feel like right as they got that initiative going, they got really big as a luxury brand and trendy consumer product company. So they just kind of let things like OpenDarwin whither away. But the hackintosh community is kind of the outcome of all that and I kind of think Apple has a soft spot for them because it would be pretty sleazy to squash it out just by being stricter with hardware compatibility. (And they seem to be doing that with the transition to M1)…but they could stop it all right now I’d they really wanted to.
I really doubt they will. The move to their own chips just makes Apple more vertically integrated than before so their OS will grow even more dependent on the hardware features that they will bake in their SoC that will probably be difficult or even impossible to emulate. The only good thing is that their machines will always be ahead when it comes to efficiency because the OS is working as close as possible to the hardware without having lots of abstraction layers, drivers, legacy support(like Windows) etc., but when Apple drops support for the last x86 platform Mac, the Hackintosh community will slowly start to bleed out. I really doubt Apple would let it live more than it should since they do not care about the people that are outside their ecosystem since they are restricting developing for their platforms to their own devices and do not allow emulation of their OS, basically gatekeeping developers.
@@Dave102693 That's funny, I tried to do a Hackintosh once to build and run an iOS app on a physical device, but I couldn't manage to do the latter. I don't think this counts as being part of the community xD
Itll never really die, arm chips are becoming more popular in the pc side there will be down time where the community gets caught up on working with arm (and unless Microsoft fixes their arm platform soon) the best viable option will be linux or eventually macos as we catch up
I've been running windows on my mac since the power mac... :) I still haven't moved to the new ARC chip, despite being an iOS programmer, particularly because Windows is still way better for my online socialising (gaming). Especially since i stopped buying games from the App store and started using Steam. Best gaming decision i ever made... It got me through the pandemic in one mentally healthy piece. ;)
I've been thinking of getting parallels for quite some time, but given that it's just the issue of qualcomm not wanting Microsoft to release the ARM version, It is safe to say that boot camp on silicon "supposed to work natively" with Windows ARM, just that it is locked for now
UTM is interesting since it can virtualize not just ARM but x86 and PPC (Power PC) Motorola 68K and anything else you can think of. I used UTM to virtualize MacOS 9 and open a Logic Pro project from like 1999 or 2000 from a SCSI drive. A Client lost his master copy of a album he recorded over 20 years ago in Logic and the newer versions of the app wouldn't open it so I tried UTM and it worked really well. I installed Logic Platinum from CDs and Giving the virtual machine 4 cores and 8 gigs of ram was more than any MacOS 9 machine ever had LOL. It actually ran better than any G4 or G5 Mac I ever owned.
@@DistrosProjects Its great, I found it when searching for alternatives to parallels that could run old Power PC operating systems. IT WAS FREE!! On my linux systems I normally use Gnome Boxes since it is so simple but I was on a Mac so I tried UTM and it is great!!
I used to have a few regular customers at an old job selling macs who worked for FEMA. They needed the most reliable hardware possible, but had to run windows. They’d buy 15” MacBook Pros from me, and make the Mac OS X (this was 10+ years ago) partition as small as possible and never look at it again.
Two weeks ago I configured a Windows 11 Home in Parallels on the M2 MacBook Air. It's pretty magical how all those x86 and x64 programs just work. I did not join the Insider program, though (the settings app confirms this). Parallels downloaded and installed it without me having to join anything.
I was running windows on Mac from a hard drive boot or virtualization. Then I discovered bootcamp and it is incredible, especially that you can partition your hard drive for Windows and when you dont need it anymore you can merge it back.
Both me and my brother recieved a macbook pro as a gift from my aunt (she works in a university and she basically can get them for free, so she changes pc quite often). First thing I did was to install windows. Even if the radeon pro is not exactly meant for gaming, it still is quite good.
I set up Windows ARM 2h22 build, using VMware Fusion Player that has a free license option. Then, you have to use some terminal commands to convert the windows iso file to a VMDK that VMware can read. Compared to shelling out cash for parallels, if you want a free option with a bit more elbow grease, it's much more worth it.
I had serious issues installing W10 on my iMac with Fusion drive, to the point I gave up and bought a Windows pc in early 2018 to use as well. I know they're not used anymore, but back in 2017, Fusion drives (a logical drive created out of a combo of a smaller SSD for bootup and most used files, and a regular HD drive) won't work nicely with Windows, and this is no surprise. Windows wouldn't recognize the Fusion partition well and it would lead to no end of trouble. Like, more importantly, it not being able to access the Mac partition. Under regular HD drives (and I assume later SSD drives), you could natively read under windows from a Mac partition, and, with the proper drivers, you could even write data on them using Windows, if you needed to access data from the other partition, but that wasn't possible anymore if Mac OS was on a Fusion drive, at least early on, so I stopped trying to make the impossible possible and gave up. Now I have a multi computer setting.
i hate any mentions of Parallels. their licensing model is borderline predatory. buy it and sure, it works well for your current version, but wait until the next os version comes out. yup, you probably guessed it
I've been using Ubuntu on my Framework Laptop with Windows as a secondary boot and MacOS in a docker container for pentesting. It works way better than any workaround on Apple's hardware.
I've changed to Macbook air M1 last year, I like the shape, screen, speakers and battery life of the laptop but i really miss using windows, macOS feels like a cage , you simply can't do everything you want. I was thinking about selling my mac and get a good windows laptop but then I have to sacrifice the portability and all the good feature of the Macbook. I Guess my only choice is to get a new laptop and keep my Macbook as well -_-
Its crazy that Microsoft didn't officially release Parallels equivalent from themselves. Working on Windows for ARM on a Macbook Pro would be soo much better rather than getting a stupid surface on ARM or paying loots of cash for Parallels
Not a "bad" video ... but it would have been a LOT better had the ending segment included actual benchmarking of commonly appreciated games (IE old and new), as that mostly the only real reason to do this, but on the new silicon ... is not so spectacular. Heck, not even on ARM is Windows on ARM spectacular. Or even good. There's a reason why the PC didn't switch. So there's a reason why you probably won't be happy turning your Mac into a VMeed AND x86-emulated hybrid, one that doesn't have a proper dGPU.
Guys, thanks for this video! It demonstrates how great stationary Macs have been before Apple Silicon transition because of this ability to run both OS - Mac and Windows whenever you want. But this transition has turned MacBooks (and other macs too) to the best power-to efficiency devices, which many of us appreciate. It would be perfect if the channel’s authors could test some eGPUs for Windows bootcamp gaming just to demonstrate how versatile Intel Macs can (I mean could) be😄
I had a 2009 iMac and MacBook both running windows XP. At the time apple computers were the best PC on the market by far, in terms of quality for the prize. The reason I did this was to run autodesk inventor and autocad, and it ran soo well. One person in our group had set up window on the first macbook air to run the same CAD software and it ran very smoothly. Another person had a special "high performance" laptop PC that cost about 4 times as much as the macbook air, and it performed as well as a cinderblock, and weighed pretty much the same.
One thing to note, the reason you have to virtualize on the Apple Silicon macs is because Windows for ARM doesn't support anything Qualcomm doesn't make. Since this boils down not only to the ISA but also the way the processor is implemented being Qualcomm-specific, and the fact Microsoft is a competitor to Apple, don't expect Microsoft to support the M series processors on bare metal, even long after their Qualcomm exclusivity agreement dies.
My (2007) iMac now runs Ubuntu 23.10. So the best thing to do with (old) Intel Macs is install Liux, in my experience, Ubuntu (or any Ubuntu-based system) works best.
VMWare Fusion has just launched for Apple Silicon macs. Probably happened after this video was recorded, but it is another possible option. Not seen any reviews on performance yet, and don’t have an Apple Silicon Mac to try it out myself.
Check the channel called Andrew Tsai. He makes a lot of videos about gaming on Mac using all kinds of emulation and virtualization. One of his recents videos is about VMWare.
I ran the Fusion tech preview and was able to run Windows 11 on my M1. Yesterday I upgraded to the full Fusion 13, and now even the windows 11 22h2 update appeared in my vm. Works like a charm on Fusion 13 + M1 Macbook pro
@@Heavenira How recently did you try? It launched I think either yesterday or the day before. Very very recently which is why I'm not blaming Andy for not mentioning it.
I love how they make it look so easy like 123 meanwhile boot camp on my old Mac isn’t working properly when I click continue it says I have to have a usb hard drive connected then I plug it in still doesn’t work
I ran Windows XP on a Linux desktop PC with VMWare back in ~'04 - Virtualization is well known, as is QEmu-like runtime JIT transpiling of machine code to, for example run x86 Windows OS on an ARM CPU - nothing new here, but good to know for those who aren't aware of it yet :) Already back in '04 the performance penalty from the overhead of virtualization and host OS was _surprisingly_ small - and no, I'm not claiming it wasn't noticable when comparing to same level of hardware running XP natively, but unless you're excepting exactly that it's not that bad. Of course any applications you have running under host OS will decrease performance of the virtual machine, just like it decreases overall anyway ;) But say that your host OS and client OS both use up to 3% CPU on idle, you'll probably have only little over 6% of CPU use (on idle).
I found a 2015 15" MacBook, maxed out, in a recycle bin with a bloated battery and a broken track pad. After spending $350 through ifixit and Craigslist (sourcing a charger and nvme ssd and adapter), the fans ran at full speed no matter what. The final solution: Macs Fan Control, and installing Windows. In MacOS Kerbel_task took up 66% of the processor at idle. In windows, nothing! Now, I'm addicted to 15" laptops.
I remember the day my brother bought an apple MacBook air and he regret buying it and then proceeds installing windows soon after. BTW I recommend him Microsoft surface, XPS & Spectre x360 when he buys new.
Honestly I prefer Windows over macOS, don't know why but macOS feels like a Fisher-Price toy for me and some apps only work on windows. I want to install Windows but bootcamp isn't available for apple silicon because qualcomm has the license for Windows on ARM, the day is supported and apple releases the required drivers I'll be long gone from macOS.
Windos is just like macOS in regard to security and privacy, if you want to fly your own flag, and not have a big brother looking over your shoulder, use Linux. I use Linux in production and for personal use, and its great!
So when will Microsoft release Windows 10/11 to boot bare metal on Apple Silicon Macs? Apple has said they have no objections against it (and it is also possible to do so). So it comes down to Microsoft alone. I think they should do so, because Apple Silicon is insanely fast for running Windows ARM.
I've been using parallels for my apple silicone Mac since last november. It's like the video says, the performance is remarkably close to native, and parallels keeps improving. I found it useful for excel spreadsheets in order to attach / open object files within the spreadsheet. EXTREMELY IRRITATING that windows and Mac lack this compatibility between the same software. What is the deal with windows licensing the capacity to insert objects? It's so dumb. Overnight, the economy will offset inflation with just this fix alone; the ramifications and usefulness of this fix are unreal. It's been a problem for over a decade. So small... I mean really.
As a dev, I wish boot camp allowed for installation of a Linux based OS. It would make testing easier. Currently using a different PC to test using Ubuntu.
I'm running Windows 11 via Parallels on my MacBook Air. It's pretty good performace considering Windows on ARM is poo on the Surface line. I use it to play all my old Steam Games like Tomb Raider (2013), SIm City 4, Duke Nukem 3D. All run really smoothly. Just the cost that's a pain being around £90 a year!
A litle story: I did this when I was a kid on my mothers iMac, she gave it to me cause she bought a new one for her. With time, bootcamp started to fail, and I couldnt go back to the mac, so a lot of files got lost, including some family photos and work files my mother told not to touch...I was not punished, but wathcing my mom being sad about it, crushed me so hard I didnt rest until I finally could troubleshoot my way into mac again. I recovered the files and threw that mac into the trash cause it was really starting to just...not work xd. I was 9 at the time, how did I do it? Dont know, I was pretty capable back then, now I cant even troubleshoot my life :D
I have a 2006 Mac and sure its nearly dead in terms of software with some exceptions. Reaper supports my system and for a music computer its great and I do have Garageband installed as well. It can run Windows 10 rather well. I'll probably install 8 more gigs of ram for a total of 16. I can't complain too much it has ECC memory, and 2 2.66ghz quad core cpus. Given its age, I can run windows xp on it and I've got a few games from the XP and older windows eras. I'll eventually get around to doing that and having each system on their own drive. It is a machine from the capacitor plague and seemed to be immune to it. Seems like Apple must have gotten Foxconn to build it with quality caps.
Sounds impressive. I can hardly think of a piece of tech from that era that is still capable to keep up with my demands. It is great that the machine works so well for your needs.
my mac (specifically my Mac 12 1 from 2011) boots with 3 operating systems with 32 gigs of ram but a Intel Core i7 8th generation, TIny11, OpenSUSE, and of course, Mac OS. Obviously i had to upgrade the ram and cpu, just to get everything up and running, along with SSD's instead of HDD's since they are slow, and i have 2 terabytes of space on my mac, so, if your gonna try to boot more than 2 or 3 systems at once. make sure you have all the hardware, and space, and you will be all good, otherwise, it might mess up everything.
@@ronlevin2339 sadly it's only good if you found at good price and you can fix them. But if not Lot of them are like all in one pc that have heat issues.
@@AlejandroRodolfoMendez a 2019 and 2022 model cannot be fixed (CDC15 connected directly to CPU, 2016-2019 have butterfly keyboard), and all have almost no heat exhaust. a 2019 reach 100% CPU load and 100 C only with ` UA-cam video playing .
@@AlejandroRodolfoMendez when cdc15 chip for 2019-2022 models cost about 70$, and you might need to replace 2 of them, even for 300$, this MacBook doesn't worth it
There really needs to be an open source alternative to Parallels, and no UTM doesn't count it has no hardware acceleration support so it's useless for gaming and if you ever bring this up amongst other mac users they all say "just buy that nvidea streaming thing" like buying a whole new device just because we had our windows compatibility stripped from us really counts as a solution.
An opensource alternative needs people to build it for free, unless you're prepared to be that person then you're out of luck. Virtualbox is the best hope but their offering isn't exactly great.
My sister actually prefers windows but wanted the hardware of a Mac. But I feel like the functionality and integration between her Mac and her iPhone might be hard to give up, so I'll have to test it with a dual boot first.
I've got a hackintosh and installed windows 11 using VMware Fusion 13 which implements a virtual TPM. It runs fast enough that you don't really notice it's a VM.
Hey finally a practical use for a Mac.
Yep, you can’t do anything on Mac, WINDOWS IS BETTER
I’m joking lol I’m a Mac user
Must’ve never used a Mac for productivity
The way I see it is macOS is more for professionals and windows of for the general public, if that makes sense
u should use mac only if you have to do it, and have no other choice
@@JoshCarterWeb I use Windows for productivity
When Apple released Boot Camp in 2006 I immediately installed XP on my iMac and played Half Life 2. Used that machine for years.
Did the same but with bo2
Did you do backups with timemachine for your Mac? Because it says it’s important to do that when using bootcamp but I don’t have a something to put my data’s there
Windows is way better than macos but not as good as linux
@@Winver94 imo
1. Linux
2. MacOS
3. Windows
You should’ve made it more explicit that boot camp doesn’t work on Apple Silicon purely because Microsoft REFUSES to license Windows on ARM, and Apple has clearly stated Boot Camp would be brought back if Microsoft would license it out.
Could they bring it back for Linux users regardless if Microsoft licenses them out
@@JoeyLindsay asahi
@@JoeyLindsay hmmm… I’ll let someone else tackle this. As Ted Lasso says, “you could fill 2 Internets with what I don’t know about” Linux
Can you blame them? It's pretty obvious to me the most glaring issue with windows laptops are the lack of good arm processors. Efficiency is really the one place that windows can't even come close to competing in my opinion. (Most other things are subjective/ preference). Explicitly supporting it would just demonstrate how far behind they are on ARM
Plus it's not like apple is this really awesome company that lets their os be used on anything else anyway, so there's zero reciprocity incentive.
@@not0evn apple silicon macs are open by design, the fact that asahi works is no mistake.. Microsoft has had this bs contract with qualcomm for a while and that stops them from shipping windows on any other arm processor.
Been running Windows 10 on my MacBook 4,1 for years now as the only operating system. Decent enough for casual web browsing use long after Apple dropped operating system support with 10.7.5
Full driver support from Microsoft and other vendors in Windows 10 is amazing for a piece of Apple hardware from 2008.
Why dont get directly a windows mashine?
@@stili774 "why you doing free stuff when you can pay for stuff?"
@@stili774 I have a R5 3600 / GTX 1080 Ti system as well.
@@TheNubaHS Ironic that any apple device will cost 3x the price of any other brand
You could have tried opencore patcher to run newer MacOS versions, and quite well at that afaik. Also the 4.1 can be flashed to 5.1 so you can run 10.13.6 natively. Or so I’ve heard.
For those who don’t want the hassle of dual booting or the performance penalty of virtual machines, there is an updated version of Wineskin Winery to create wine wrappers for individual Windows apps. I’m able to play a nice little array of my Steam and GOG games within MacOS using this method. For those unfamiliar, think Wine for Linux, but in a more user friendly format for Mac users.
If you want user friendly, Crossover is the way to go
@@ElijahCiali I haven’t played around a ton with Crossover, but you’re bang-on as Wineskin Winery is sort of its “community edition” cousin of sorts. I kinda like the greater tinker-ability of Wineskin, I started with it years ago and got my sea legs on Wine with it. The last time I tried Crossover I was a fish out of water and couldn’t figure out how to do the tinkering I have as muscle memory in Wineskin. Will have to give it a whirl again.
The last time I used wineskin winery it was a mess.
@@_Digitalguy interesting … have you checked your software against the Wine compatibility database? I don’t know how Crossover implements Winetricks, but I’ve been able to get software across various generations to work pretty well using Winetricks within Wineskin Winery. The compatibility database can give you some clues as to what tweaks you may need to make. You can also check log files for errors to pinpoint potential fixable failure points. Again, not sure how all of that is oriented in Crossover, but it’s all accessible within Wineskin.
@@BrianJones-wk8cx the whole appeal of crossover is you don't even have to know about wine or winetricks, you one click install and run a lot of games, and btw a lot of the crossover devs are also wine devs
Just so happens this is my exact situation. I am a converted previous employee and owner of many old iMacs and I’d love to turn one into a basic PC for my kids to use. Thanks for coincidentally covering exactly what I needed and making it seem easy 😁❤
My daily desktop is an old 2007 Core2 Duo iMac. Since Apple no longer supports this hardware, and most security certificates just don't work, I installed Pop!_OS on it a year ago.
I became a Linux user since then, and I'm not going back.
I don’t think Apple is that upset about the Hackintosh community. As long as nobody is selling them (and even then, you can find custom hackintosh builds for sale ranging from little nucs to Mac Pro competitors that have better specs at half the cost, and keep the mid 2000s Apple aesthetic if you want that.) and that doesn’t even mention Open Core Legacy Patcher, which makes an old Mac a really good budget PC option if your priorities are productivity and being able to leverage the Apple ecosystem. (And some light light gaming. I’ve played some Civ 6 on my late 2014 iMac)
Apple never leaned into open source as much as I would like…I feel like right as they got that initiative going, they got really big as a luxury brand and trendy consumer product company. So they just kind of let things like OpenDarwin whither away. But the hackintosh community is kind of the outcome of all that and I kind of think Apple has a soft spot for them because it would be pretty sleazy to squash it out just by being stricter with hardware compatibility. (And they seem to be doing that with the transition to M1)…but they could stop it all right now I’d they really wanted to.
This…. 👌🏻
I really doubt they will. The move to their own chips just makes Apple more vertically integrated than before so their OS will grow even more dependent on the hardware features that they will bake in their SoC that will probably be difficult or even impossible to emulate. The only good thing is that their machines will always be ahead when it comes to efficiency because the OS is working as close as possible to the hardware without having lots of abstraction layers, drivers, legacy support(like Windows) etc., but when Apple drops support for the last x86 platform Mac, the Hackintosh community will slowly start to bleed out. I really doubt Apple would let it live more than it should since they do not care about the people that are outside their ecosystem since they are restricting developing for their platforms to their own devices and do not allow emulation of their OS, basically gatekeeping developers.
@@LAndrewsChannel this is the only sound take from who’ve heard of the Hackintosh community.
@@Dave102693 That's funny, I tried to do a Hackintosh once to build and run an iOS app on a physical device, but I couldn't manage to do the latter. I don't think this counts as being part of the community xD
Itll never really die, arm chips are becoming more popular in the pc side there will be down time where the community gets caught up on working with arm (and unless Microsoft fixes their arm platform soon) the best viable option will be linux or eventually macos as we catch up
Gamers: *tries macOS*
Also gamers: *How to install windows on a Mac*
Apple support: "Understandable, have a nice day."
I've been running windows on my mac since the power mac... :) I still haven't moved to the new ARC chip, despite being an iOS programmer, particularly because Windows is still way better for my online socialising (gaming). Especially since i stopped buying games from the App store and started using Steam. Best gaming decision i ever made... It got me through the pandemic in one mentally healthy piece. ;)
I've been thinking of getting parallels for quite some time, but given that it's just the issue of qualcomm not wanting Microsoft to release the ARM version,
It is safe to say that boot camp on silicon "supposed to work natively" with Windows ARM, just that it is locked for now
You forgot to mention that both Vmware and VirtualBox recently announced support for Apple Silicon, in beta for now.
Yeah, for a second I thought this video was sponsored by Parallels
You can also use UTM to virtualize Windows, although it is slower with worse graphics support afaik.
UTM is interesting since it can virtualize not just ARM but x86 and PPC (Power PC) Motorola 68K and anything else you can think of. I used UTM to virtualize MacOS 9 and open a Logic Pro project from like 1999 or 2000 from a SCSI drive. A Client lost his master copy of a album he recorded over 20 years ago in Logic and the newer versions of the app wouldn't open it so I tried UTM and it worked really well. I installed Logic Platinum from CDs and Giving the virtual machine 4 cores and 8 gigs of ram was more than any MacOS 9 machine ever had LOL. It actually ran better than any G4 or G5 Mac I ever owned.
@@joesalyers It's a frontend for Qemu, a general purpose emulator that is very common on Linux systems (and runs on Windows, macOS, and Linux.)
@@DistrosProjects Its great, I found it when searching for alternatives to parallels that could run old Power PC operating systems. IT WAS FREE!! On my linux systems I normally use Gnome Boxes since it is so simple but I was on a Mac so I tried UTM and it is great!!
UTM can be configured to "Virtualize" not "Emulate", the latter is slow, as you are recreating x86 via software.
contrary to Parallels it can only use Windows insider builds which will expire at some point
I used to have a few regular customers at an old job selling macs who worked for FEMA. They needed the most reliable hardware possible, but had to run windows. They’d buy 15” MacBook Pros from me, and make the Mac OS X (this was 10+ years ago) partition as small as possible and never look at it again.
why not to buy a thinkpad then?
You should mention that the new vmWare for Mac is free and it does everything that the paid parallels shown in this video does.
Two weeks ago I configured a Windows 11 Home in Parallels on the M2 MacBook Air. It's pretty magical how all those x86 and x64 programs just work. I did not join the Insider program, though (the settings app confirms this). Parallels downloaded and installed it without me having to join anything.
Parallels is a poor substitute for Bootcamp.
I was running windows on Mac from a hard drive boot or virtualization. Then I discovered bootcamp and it is incredible, especially that you can partition your hard drive for Windows and when you dont need it anymore you can merge it back.
That's a thing of the past if you want a new Mac, at least until mid 2023.
The backsplash tile in the background at 0:18 reminds me of the Bootcamp icon. How fitting. 🤣
I'm trying this right now on my Macbook Air M2
I've been doing this since my Late 09 Macbook Unibody.
Both me and my brother recieved a macbook pro as a gift from my aunt (she works in a university and she basically can get them for free, so she changes pc quite often).
First thing I did was to install windows. Even if the radeon pro is not exactly meant for gaming, it still is quite good.
So, I watched a Jackery ad in between a Parallels ad?
Great going LMG.
I set up Windows ARM 2h22 build, using VMware Fusion Player that has a free license option. Then, you have to use some terminal commands to convert the windows iso file to a VMDK that VMware can read. Compared to shelling out cash for parallels, if you want a free option with a bit more elbow grease, it's much more worth it.
I installed windows on my mac, it runs so much better now definitely would recommend
My old MacBook is old enough that it is no loner supporting the current macOS, it is now my new windows machine since I got my Mac mini.
I had serious issues installing W10 on my iMac with Fusion drive, to the point I gave up and bought a Windows pc in early 2018 to use as well. I know they're not used anymore, but back in 2017, Fusion drives (a logical drive created out of a combo of a smaller SSD for bootup and most used files, and a regular HD drive) won't work nicely with Windows, and this is no surprise. Windows wouldn't recognize the Fusion partition well and it would lead to no end of trouble. Like, more importantly, it not being able to access the Mac partition. Under regular HD drives (and I assume later SSD drives), you could natively read under windows from a Mac partition, and, with the proper drivers, you could even write data on them using Windows, if you needed to access data from the other partition, but that wasn't possible anymore if Mac OS was on a Fusion drive, at least early on, so I stopped trying to make the impossible possible and gave up. Now I have a multi computer setting.
I think that when will be native windows on ARM that you can run without a virtual machine, sales of M1 and M2 MacBook's will just to unseen highs
Yeah but Linux already runs natively on M1 macs
No gpu pass through means extreme lag
Great video, thankyou for the calm and totally understandable explanation! I like to use computers but I'm always scared of installing things!
0:46 Ahh yes, video playing on a paused vlc
2009 22.5" iMac + Samsung SSD + 16 GB memory runs like a charm on Windows 11 for office jobs.
i hate any mentions of Parallels. their licensing model is borderline predatory. buy it and sure, it works well for your current version, but wait until the next os version comes out. yup, you probably guessed it
my university using windows on mac on all their offices even on labs
I don't know how I'm still studying there
I've been using Ubuntu on my Framework Laptop with Windows as a secondary boot and MacOS in a docker container for pentesting. It works way better than any workaround on Apple's hardware.
I've changed to Macbook air M1 last year, I like the shape, screen, speakers and battery life of the laptop but i really miss using windows, macOS feels like a cage , you simply can't do everything you want. I was thinking about selling my mac and get a good windows laptop but then I have to sacrifice the portability and all the good feature of the Macbook. I Guess my only choice is to get a new laptop and keep my Macbook as well -_-
Its crazy that Microsoft didn't officially release Parallels equivalent from themselves. Working on Windows for ARM on a Macbook Pro would be soo much better rather than getting a stupid surface on ARM or paying loots of cash for Parallels
Just got work approval to upgrade from PC to Mac, but needed a specific Windows only program. Perfect timing thank you 🎉
ive got a 2007 MacBook that ive installed windows 2000, xp, vista, 7, 8, 10, and yes even 11 on. all worked perfectly fine.
I had a savage professor that had a Macbook Pro that runned Linux. He told us he liked the build quality of the Mac.
Saving this for when I get a Mac and Need to run Windows on it. Then again I might do it in a virtual machine anyways!
Not a "bad" video ... but it would have been a LOT better had the ending segment included actual benchmarking of commonly appreciated games (IE old and new), as that mostly the only real reason to do this, but on the new silicon ... is not so spectacular. Heck, not even on ARM is Windows on ARM spectacular. Or even good. There's a reason why the PC didn't switch. So there's a reason why you probably won't be happy turning your Mac into a VMeed AND x86-emulated hybrid, one that doesn't have a proper dGPU.
I just did it on a 2017 iMac. Can’t believe how easy it was. The only downside was the fusion drive is unbearably slow to install…
I run macOS on a virtual machine on a Windows OS running on a MacBook Pro.
This takes the "Packin' a Mac in the back of the Ac'" lyric from Eminem's Rap God to a brand new level.
Guys, thanks for this video! It demonstrates how great stationary Macs have been before Apple Silicon transition because of this ability to run both OS - Mac and Windows whenever you want. But this transition has turned MacBooks (and other macs too) to the best power-to efficiency devices, which many of us appreciate. It would be perfect if the channel’s authors could test some eGPUs for Windows bootcamp gaming just to demonstrate how versatile Intel Macs can (I mean could) be😄
I’ve been running Parallels for years. Love it!
Wish it was this easy..😂 Bought a used mac and its been such a pain to reinstall the OS
Linux
Parallels is a virtual Machine, a more cheaper alternative is the QEMU fork called UTM, super easy to work and it's free, it can also emulate x86_64
I had a 2009 iMac and MacBook both running windows XP. At the time apple computers were the best PC on the market by far, in terms of quality for the prize. The reason I did this was to run autodesk inventor and autocad, and it ran soo well. One person in our group had set up window on the first macbook air to run the same CAD software and it ran very smoothly. Another person had a special "high performance" laptop PC that cost about 4 times as much as the macbook air, and it performed as well as a cinderblock, and weighed pretty much the same.
Upgrading to Windows 11 is really easy with a simple work around. I've installed Windows 11 on a 2015 15 Inch Macbook Pro and a 2018 Mac Mini.
First video I've watched on your channel. Excellent content and presentation. Subscribed!
nice linus tech tips and all their channels like this one are just great! welcome!
Title of this video:
Your Mac can run Windows
Me: yes that’s been possible since about 2008
Oh my god, the kitchen in the old house!! Gotta respect linus’ data hoarding sometimes
Finally a good use for Windows 11 ARM builds
One thing to note, the reason you have to virtualize on the Apple Silicon macs is because Windows for ARM doesn't support anything Qualcomm doesn't make. Since this boils down not only to the ISA but also the way the processor is implemented being Qualcomm-specific, and the fact Microsoft is a competitor to Apple, don't expect Microsoft to support the M series processors on bare metal, even long after their Qualcomm exclusivity agreement dies.
My (2007) iMac now runs Ubuntu 23.10. So the best thing to do with (old) Intel Macs is install Liux, in my experience, Ubuntu (or any Ubuntu-based system) works best.
VMWare Fusion has just launched for Apple Silicon macs. Probably happened after this video was recorded, but it is another possible option. Not seen any reviews on performance yet, and don’t have an Apple Silicon Mac to try it out myself.
Tried it recently, didn't work on my M2 Macbook Pro. Will need to wait a bit longer.
Check the channel called Andrew Tsai. He makes a lot of videos about gaming on Mac using all kinds of emulation and virtualization. One of his recents videos is about VMWare.
I ran the Fusion tech preview and was able to run Windows 11 on my M1. Yesterday I upgraded to the full Fusion 13, and now even the windows 11 22h2 update appeared in my vm. Works like a charm on Fusion 13 + M1 Macbook pro
@@Heavenira How recently did you try? It launched I think either yesterday or the day before. Very very recently which is why I'm not blaming Andy for not mentioning it.
Thanks for the info. We are lucky to have those options nowadays
I love how they make it look so easy like 123 meanwhile boot camp on my old Mac isn’t working properly when I click continue it says I have to have a usb hard drive connected then I plug it in still doesn’t work
The biggest headache of Win on Apple Silicon is drivers. Printers and almost every USB device with custom software is a no go.
Been using a Apple Pro 2012 as a windows server for 2 years now.
Just don’t know how to get into a bios
I think I might covertly install windows next time my sister needs tech help.
I got a 2015 MacBook Pro 15" when I went to college and boot camped it. 6 years later I'm building my first PC this holiday season thanks to you guys!
I remember walking into an Apple store, and I just saw a guy run Windows on one of the imacs🤣
Shocked at how well this works.
Hope you feel better Anthony.
My 2012 Mac Pro wouldn’t work properly until I installed windows off a DVD. Old school. Lucky I still had an external dvd burner.
I ran Windows XP on a Linux desktop PC with VMWare back in ~'04 - Virtualization is well known, as is QEmu-like runtime JIT transpiling of machine code to, for example run x86 Windows OS on an ARM CPU - nothing new here, but good to know for those who aren't aware of it yet :)
Already back in '04 the performance penalty from the overhead of virtualization and host OS was _surprisingly_ small - and no, I'm not claiming it wasn't noticable when comparing to same level of hardware running XP natively, but unless you're excepting exactly that it's not that bad. Of course any applications you have running under host OS will decrease performance of the virtual machine, just like it decreases overall anyway ;) But say that your host OS and client OS both use up to 3% CPU on idle, you'll probably have only little over 6% of CPU use (on idle).
I found a 2015 15" MacBook, maxed out, in a recycle bin with a bloated battery and a broken track pad. After spending $350 through ifixit and Craigslist (sourcing a charger and nvme ssd and adapter), the fans ran at full speed no matter what. The final solution: Macs Fan Control, and installing Windows. In MacOS Kerbel_task took up 66% of the processor at idle. In windows, nothing!
Now, I'm addicted to 15" laptops.
I remember the day my brother bought an apple MacBook air and he regret buying it and then proceeds installing windows soon after.
BTW I recommend him Microsoft surface, XPS & Spectre x360 when he buys new.
Honestly I prefer Windows over macOS, don't know why but macOS feels like a Fisher-Price toy for me and some apps only work on windows. I want to install Windows but bootcamp isn't available for apple silicon because qualcomm has the license for Windows on ARM, the day is supported and apple releases the required drivers I'll be long gone from macOS.
Parallels doesn't work well. If Parallels has a glitch, you will lose your complete Windows partition.
I got the original macbook air when it came out, to run windows on, it was not a bad experience at all
I downloaded Windows 10 on my MacBook Air and after a while I couldn’t switch back to macOS anymore. No shop could fix that issue.
Windos is just like macOS in regard to security and privacy, if you want to fly your own flag, and not have a big brother looking over your shoulder, use Linux. I use Linux in production and for personal use, and its great!
its really interesting how not only can you get windows on a mac, but you get to have BOTH macos and wondows
This guy is the most advanced discord mod
So when will Microsoft release Windows 10/11 to boot bare metal on Apple Silicon Macs? Apple has said they have no objections against it (and it is also possible to do so). So it comes down to Microsoft alone. I think they should do so, because Apple Silicon is insanely fast for running Windows ARM.
I've been using parallels for my apple silicone Mac since last november. It's like the video says, the performance is remarkably close to native, and parallels keeps improving.
I found it useful for excel spreadsheets in order to attach / open object files within the spreadsheet. EXTREMELY IRRITATING that windows and Mac lack this compatibility between the same software. What is the deal with windows licensing the capacity to insert objects? It's so dumb. Overnight, the economy will offset inflation with just this fix alone; the ramifications and usefulness of this fix are unreal. It's been a problem for over a decade. So small... I mean really.
Are you also able to also use the windows keyboard shortcuts for excel, use vba when in Parallels?
@@reverend_wintondupree yes
As a dev, I wish boot camp allowed for installation of a Linux based OS. It would make testing easier. Currently using a different PC to test using Ubuntu.
Just install Linux on a separate drive or partition.
Why not just run a VM?
@@peterbreis5407 I ended up doing it on a separate PC entirely.
@@ivanmalinovski7807 to fully utilize the hardware.
I'm running Windows 11 via Parallels on my MacBook Air. It's pretty good performace considering Windows on ARM is poo on the Surface line. I use it to play all my old Steam Games like Tomb Raider (2013), SIm City 4, Duke Nukem 3D. All run really smoothly. Just the cost that's a pain being around £90 a year!
A litle story:
I did this when I was a kid on my mothers iMac, she gave it to me cause she bought a new one for her. With time, bootcamp started to fail, and I couldnt go back to the mac, so a lot of files got lost, including some family photos and work files my mother told not to touch...I was not punished, but wathcing my mom being sad about it, crushed me so hard I didnt rest until I finally could troubleshoot my way into mac again. I recovered the files and threw that mac into the trash cause it was really starting to just...not work xd. I was 9 at the time, how did I do it? Dont know, I was pretty capable back then, now I cant even troubleshoot my life :D
Anthony: Your Mac Can Run Windows!
Other People: Can it Walk?
Burh
Very funny man haha
Didn’t VMware Fusion just launch a new version for the Mac?
I have a 2006 Mac and sure its nearly dead in terms of software with some exceptions. Reaper supports my system and for a music computer its great and I do have Garageband installed as well. It can run Windows 10 rather well. I'll probably install 8 more gigs of ram for a total of 16. I can't complain too much it has ECC memory, and 2 2.66ghz quad core cpus. Given its age, I can run windows xp on it and I've got a few games from the XP and older windows eras. I'll eventually get around to doing that and having each system on their own drive. It is a machine from the capacitor plague and seemed to be immune to it. Seems like Apple must have gotten Foxconn to build it with quality caps.
Sounds impressive. I can hardly think of a piece of tech from that era that is still capable to keep up with my demands. It is great that the machine works so well for your needs.
my mac (specifically my Mac 12 1 from 2011) boots with 3 operating systems with 32 gigs of ram but a Intel Core i7 8th generation, TIny11, OpenSUSE, and of course, Mac OS. Obviously i had to upgrade the ram and cpu, just to get everything up and running, along with SSD's instead of HDD's since they are slow, and i have 2 terabytes of space on my mac, so, if your gonna try to boot more than 2 or 3 systems at once. make sure you have all the hardware, and space, and you will be all good, otherwise, it might mess up everything.
Apple Silicon calling, they want their Boot Camp back!
I'm hoping to the time the old Mac with Intel get cheap to install windows on it and get a pretty decent pc.
A lot of them (like MacBook's from 2016 to 2019) have a major hardware problems that it not advisable
@@ronlevin2339 sadly it's only good if you found at good price and you can fix them. But if not Lot of them are like all in one pc that have heat issues.
@@AlejandroRodolfoMendez a 2019 and 2022 model cannot be fixed (CDC15 connected directly to CPU, 2016-2019 have butterfly keyboard), and all have almost no heat exhaust. a 2019 reach 100% CPU load and 100 C only with ` UA-cam video playing .
@@ronlevin2339 well that's on USA even true, other places have uncanny ways to fix them. But the price is not the best either so makes it harder.
@@AlejandroRodolfoMendez when cdc15 chip for 2019-2022 models cost about 70$, and you might need to replace 2 of them, even for 300$, this MacBook doesn't worth it
No one in their right mind would want to run windows 11 on anything anyway!
Got windows 11 on both my macs. Got them for a steal and one is old so it's best use is in windows now.
Very nice! How big is the chance that MS will lock out users that "work around" TPM and CPU limitation on Windows 11 someday?
If you run Mac OS in a virtual machine on Windows on a Mac, that's a HackMacintosh
I've dual booted my Macs for many years, that is until the custom Mac CPUs came about
There really needs to be an open source alternative to Parallels, and no UTM doesn't count it has no hardware acceleration support so it's useless for gaming and if you ever bring this up amongst other mac users they all say "just buy that nvidea streaming thing" like buying a whole new device just because we had our windows compatibility stripped from us really counts as a solution.
An opensource alternative needs people to build it for free, unless you're prepared to be that person then you're out of luck. Virtualbox is the best hope but their offering isn't exactly great.
Watching this video on my Bootcamp iMac!!!
Ah man I love your Videos! :) They are my absolute favorites :D
My sister actually prefers windows but wanted the hardware of a Mac. But I feel like the functionality and integration between her Mac and her iPhone might be hard to give up, so I'll have to test it with a dual boot first.
Weird take, people generally want a mac with hardware of a windows pc
There are plenty of locked-down, glued together, impossible to repair PCs out there without an Apple logo on them.
@@SSShingetsuwindows desktop PC? Yes. Windows laptop? Nah.
Another use case is when you need windows only apps for work such as Solidworks
Wish they could bring Boot Camp to Apple Silicon macs
I've got a hackintosh and installed windows 11 using VMware Fusion 13 which implements a virtual TPM. It runs fast enough that you don't really notice it's a VM.
There's also VMWare Fusion which can virtualize Windows on Mac