The company should choose the idols for their groups bc there's no point of doing survival shows when the final lineup is decided all ready. If they want the hype for the group they should do like lil series of the group's predebut time
I can only say that i'm glad Jeemin debuted in Izna instead, but poor Jiwoo had her dreams CRUSHED ans gave up her dream of debuting, even thou she was THE BEST and most talented in the RUNEXT, the judges praised the young and inexperienced girls even when they were 'meh' because of the FALSE argument of 'improvement', while TEARING DOWN Jeemin and Jiwoo whenever they were less than perfect. Moka was cute and i like her voice, but she was bland and had no star quality, then suddenly in the last episode, she was giving a central part in 'Feel Special' stage to make audience believe she was the one and had a reason to debut. The double standards were ridiculous. HYBE should have just debuted the group was clearly they wanted too, instead of HUMILIATING the best and most talented girls until they BROKE (jeemin, chanel, jiwoo in particular). Wonhee is literally the Hyewon of Izone but in ILLIT: pretty, but no facial expression, no charisma, barely dances, only gets the attention of the KOREAN public since they are maniac about 'purity' and 'soft flower' looks... But Hyewon was in a 12 member group, Illit only has 5, and Hyewon was not the CENTER and NOBODY would EVER expect somebody that is only 'the member who's greatest talent is being the visual' to be CENTER and FACE of the group and have a WHOLE CONCEPT made surrounding them!!!
@selenevandernix9353 you underestimate Wonhee. Korea fell in love with her perfect cuteness. I mean she's like an anime. And Korea is like that. But if she couldn't sing and dance illit would have a problem. At first it looked like a gamble but now.. it's obvious the gamble has paid off spectacularly. She is a very strong clever girl. An amazing quick study. Watch her choreo on a fancam for MAMA. She did great. And really, you think she has no charisma? Right there, I know you are not paying attention. She is the most popular member of illit because of her visual and charisma. Sings like an angel too. The whole team was constructed to execute a vision. All have important roles.
not entirely true, the company also need to feel what people gravitated to. Nothing is set in stone, it would be foolish to set people in stone. Please use common sense. Seems people are too emotional to think.
You know what Im actually glad that Chanelle didnt debut in Illit. It would’ve cost her wayy to much stress. She is way better in fifty fifty plus fifty fiftys concept suits her better. 6:21 Im sorry no hate but Chanelle was kinda right about that reaction I mean she was being pushed to do something she couldn’t she must have been so flustered (No hate to illit or wonhee i stan the group and I love wonhee)
Illit members probably make 10x as fifty fifty members and will very likely have a long career with awards, sponsorships and world tours while fifty fifty members are unlikely to reach any of that.
Jeemin and jiwoo not debuting was impossible... RUnext was so rigged that Chanel actually ASK to be eliminated, because she didn't want to bend her will and be a puppet. Yunah was the only one that realized the concept would be 'new jeans 2.0 minors' and that the judges were pushing Wonhee and cute concepts, so she dropped her girl crush vibe and proved the judges she could be cute as well. I actually feel sorry for Yunah actually having debuted with ILLIT, they are making her hide her true charms in this facade of cute while being called 'old' by korean fans. Youngseo clearly saw that the group was never going to be authentic and that she would be REPRESSED like Yunah did... But she is much younger than Yunah, so she just quit...Good for her. Only Yunah and Youngseo were well rounded enough to debut, and even them weren't on the top when it came to talent, it was Jiwoo - which was TOO OLD for Hybe's love of minors. I can only say that i'm glad Jeemin debuted in Izna instead, but poor Jiwoo had her dreams CRUSHED ans gave up her dream of debuting, even thou she was THE BEST and most talented in the show, the judges praised the young and inexperienced girls even when they were 'meh' because of the FALSE argument of 'improvement', while TEARING DOWN Jeemin and Jiwoo whenever they were less than perfect.
What do you mean "she couldn't"? Yewon also had to take the vocal team's leader position in the vocal / dancing competition, and despite being much less prepared for the leader role (due to lack of trainee experience), she didn't throw a tantrum and did her best.
Not popular in Korea, though. Chanelle's vote show it. Her votes in Korea were less than half of everyone else's and let's be honest, people only cheered for her because she was already a survival reject and was the western underdog. Right now in Fifty Fifty she's being outshined by a 17 year old with just 3 months of training for a reason.
It was clear that show was rigged cos how can you do a survival show and 5/6 can barely hold a note, the people supporting this group are weird, I want to hear from the member that was kicked out, I feel she holds the answer to everything about illit
5/6 can't hold on a note? what are you even saying, do you even know anything about illit or are you just looking at those 1 min reels and shorts and believing them?? Before their debut, around 4 of 6 of the members had good vocals, which was yunah, minju, youngeso, partially iroha and wonhee. Moka was the only one who was mostly weak in vocals. Which they have improved now and are doing fabulous. Theres nothing weird about supporting the group, you all look at one aspect of talent and not the other, because they are all actually amazing dancers and have amazing stage presence as well.
you can hate the show, and the stupid voting system, and even dislike the final line up but '5/'6 can barely hold a note'? lets not lie. ur basing this on what exactly? a bad encore from 10 months ago? watch a recording bts or a performance on a radio show or something my god
You didn't mention that Wonhee ranked 9th in votes during the 9th week of the show and then somehow skyrocketed to 1st place in the finale, which makes it very clear that belift rigged the votes to make it seem like she earned her debut when everyone knew she didn't
Wasn't Wonhee's low rank in votes for previous weeks due to international votes and the international audience's attempted boycott of minor contestants? In the final round, there were only votes from Korea
i think that mostly had to do with ppl finding out two would make it through voting, she had ranked top 6 in voting before and I think most people assumed they didnt have to worry about jiwoo or jeemin bc they thought the coaches would pick them, similar to how kep1ers xiaoting was 1st in voting every week but fell to 9th in the final line up on the very last episode bc ppl thought she was safe
They didn’t tamper with the votes,they just counted international votes way less so they didn’t have any effect on the final line up last minute.Thats where their early voting events came in handy.So yes it was rigged i mean why is the company trying to deny it?You don’t market a survival show as voter based and then pick almost the entirety of the line up by yourself,last minute.Thats literally the definition of dishonesty.
@@blossom6143 That’s not how the voting worked. There were two rounds of voting in the finals. One was before the finals and included votes from both international fans and Korean viewers. For example, Wonhee was almost at the bottom spot in that round. However, those votes only counted for 20-30%. The second round was only open to Korean viewers and made up 70% of the final results. This meant that international votes had a significant disadvantage and didn’t end up playing much of a role in the final outcome.Basically useless
Did u we watched the same show ? Wonhee got 9th it’s only International vote but she got top 1 in Korea vote and in the end of the show they only counted Korea vote only you better used your eyes go to read and watch again hope this u
I’m glad Dream Academy and Universe ticket is not a rigged survival show like RU Next. the closest same rigged show with RU Next is Time Turner! I mean really Kelly Kim no. 1?
Yeah i didn't watch DA but I watched UT and we didn't expect much on Hyeon ju and Yoona to debut no offense in the early time of the show Hyeon ju is my top 8 and she got replaced by Yoona later and now they debuted
@@jasnoorkhabra Kotoko already has a big fan base from tha start, and Elisia's voters vote for Gehlee and Hyeon ju because of their filipina heritage, and about Sumin I really want her to debut but she's not on my top 8 and I think her fan base falter after the Units and Yona got bad editing and super short lines so the blame is on the producers not on the whole show
Lets also not forget how in UT, the level stations was clearly made to rig out half of the popular contestants. Riel, Aya, Park Yewon, Narumi was all placed in the low lvl while trainees like Kotoko was ranked higher. The lower team As I Told You had the some of the more popular members who would have definetly debuted if they weren't already eliminated; Aya, Vanesya, Riel and Park Yewon. As well, Kwon Chaewon's elimination over Kotoko was most likely rigged as well. One of the own judges stated they shouldn't be keeping Kotoko much longer, but still she survived. The new song station is objective but the line distribution given to Eunhyung was a clear sign they wanted her out. Same thing with the Unit Station with their whole line distributions to get people away from being voted. Eg; Yona, Eunhyung, Sujin. Guarenteed if they didn't rig out the popular global contestants during the Level Stations UNIS would have been a COMPLETELY different group.
You don't understand Korea. She's hugely popular. They love love love cute. To her credit she has improved remarkably. They took a gamble on her and it has paid off splendidly.
The double standards were ridiculous. HYBE should have just debuted the group as clearly they wanted too, instead of HUMILIATING the best and most talented girls until they BROKE (jeemin, chanel, jiwoo in particular). Wonhee is literally the Hyewon of Izone but in ILLIT: pretty, but no facial expression, no charisma, barely dances, only gets the attention of the KOREAN public since they are maniac about 'purity' and 'soft flower' looks... But Hyewon was in a 12 member group, Illit only has 5, and Hyewon was not the CENTER and NOBODY would EVER expect somebody that is only 'the member who's greatest talent is being the visual' to be CENTER and FACE of the group and have a WHOLE CONCEPT made surrounding them!!! I only say good luck to Illit because the other girls didn't deserve such bad administration and rigged line up, they all deserved better (including not debuting and having more training time), because HYBE setted them up for all the hate they are getting and anyone who saw RUnext feels betrayed by hybe. They literally had girls that were amazing singers, super beautiful, with star quality and most had good to amazing voices, and yet they went with the girls that didn't had all of those YET, except Yunah and Younseo, just to fit in on the 'cute Wonhee concept' and not overshadow Wonhee. I've never seen a worst reality show in kpop, and i watch Sixteen! (twice's project). Althought all shows are rigged, they have AT LEAST a final line up that MAKES SENSE, and AT LEAST one member that in MAIN vocal that can carry the group on it's back. ILLIT doesn't have even that!
@ nobodys reading all that bc u obviously dont know anything about illit so shut up. Wonhees stage presence has improved SO MUCH since runext. wonhee can sing dance and has good sp stay mad. + illits concept was chosen before wonhee even became a trainee and since she was so popular, talented and fits the concept so well ofc she debuted
I’m really disappointed in BELIFT, not only they rigged the show nearly 3 months before it’s formed but they wasted the time of the trainees, especially the foreign ones the ones who traveled from their home country to a new country just to follow their dreams without knowing the show was rigged, not only the trainees also the ILLIT members, who received criticism even though it wasn’t their fault but the company’s, it’s a lose- lose situation for both sides
Hybe is trying everything to make ILLIT bigger in every way. They chose the final lineup earlier and then started the survival show probably to give ILLIT popularity before debut. *but you guys need to understand that this isn’t ILLIT’s fault. This is clearly all Hybe’s fault.*
This is disgusting if they want to debut the member they want then they should choose them and train them properly people are not stupid this poor tactic give nothing but negative image about illit members and mostly it's play with hardwork of other more talented trianes like chanell, jiwoo, jeemin 😢😢
The double standards were ridiculous. HYBE should have just debuted the group as clearly they wanted too, instead of HUMILIATING the best and most talented girls until they BROKE (jeemin, chanel, jiwoo in particular). Wonhee is literally the Hyewon of Izone but in ILLIT: pretty, but no facial expression, no charisma, barely dances, only gets the attention of the KOREAN public since they are maniac about 'purity' and 'soft flower' looks... But Hyewon was in a 12 member group, Illit only has 5, and Hyewon was not the CENTER and NOBODY would EVER expect somebody that is only 'the member who's greatest talent is being the visual' to be CENTER and FACE of the group and have a WHOLE CONCEPT made surrounding them!!! I only say good luck to Illit because the other girls didn't deserve such bad administration and rigged line up, they all deserved better (including not debuting and having more training time), because HYBE setted them up for all the hate they are getting and anyone who saw RUnext feels betrayed by hybe. They literally had girls that were amazing singers, super beautiful, with star quality and most had good to amazing voices, and yet they went with the girls that didn't had all of those YET, except Yunah and Younseo, just to fit in on the 'cute Wonhee concept' and not overshadow Wonhee. I've never seen a worst reality show in kpop, and i watch Sixteen! (twice's project). Althought all shows are rigged, they have AT LEAST a final line up that MAKES SENSE, and AT LEAST one member that in MAIN vocal that can carry the group on it's back. ILLIT doesn't have even that!
@@selenevandernix9353Hyewon debuted because of her leadership during the show and people felt for her as her team were clearly all weak in skillset and all of them gave up but she was the only one that tried her best to get the team together despite all of them giving up, which this act gained her spot
I only say good luck to Illit because the other girls didn't deserve HYBE and such bad administration and rigged line up, they all deserved better (including not debuting and having more training time), because HYBE setted them up for all the hate they are getting and anyone who saw RUnext feels betrayed by hybe. They literally had girls that were amazing singers, super beautiful, with star quality and most had good to amazing voices, and yet they went with the girls that didn't had all of those YET, except Yunah and Younseo, just to fit in on the 'cute Wonhee concept' and not overshadow Wonhee. I've never seen a worst reality show in kpop, and i watch Sixteen! (twice's project). Althought all shows are rigged, they have AT LEAST a final line up that MAKES SENSE, and AT LEAST one member that in MAIN vocal that can carry the group on it's back. ILLIT doesn't have even that! Youngseo saw that and abandoned that ship (she's still young unlike Yunah).
You mean the mistreatment of HYBE to its staff and subsidiaries? Because at the end of the day doesn’t matter how you spin it HYBE escalated the situation instead of handling it before it got out of control.
8:03 they said plans? it doesnt necesarily mean they already chose the members, but the concept and direction they wanted the group to go, do yall expect them to get to work after the members are chosen? its smart business wise to already have a strategy and everything, they were just missing the members, ppl always assume or see things where there's nothing
I am surprised more why Youngseo left, like it made no sense leaving a group about to debut as she already worked hard & won the survival show. The leaked report from hybe discussing how Youngseo might grab too much attention away from other members kinda made it more suspicious. Does anyone know why she left or was let go
I love Illit's music and the path it's going to specially now. But this show is definitely rigged. Wonhee ranking 1st and Jimin not getting in is wild! Good thing though that it ended that way bc Jimin being in Izna is a lot better.
Chanelle was number 1/2 for international votes the entire show and they never gave her voice editing but gave others extensive editing and loud backtracks and letting them lip-sing. Thank god Chanelle didn't debut under Hybe in that fraudulent group
Jeemin and jiwoo not debuting was impossible... RUnext was so rigged that Chanel actually ASK to be eliminated. Yunah was the only one that realized the concept would be 'new jeans 2.0 minors' and that the judges were pushing Wonhee and cute concepts, so she dropped her girl crush vibe and proved the judges she could be cute as well. I actually feel sorry for Yunah actually having debuted with ILLIT, they are making her hide her true charms in this facade of cute while being called 'old' by korean fans. Youngseo clearly saw that the group was never going to be authentic and that she would be REPRESSED like Yunah did... But she is much younger than Yunah, so she just quit...Good for her. Only Yunah and Youngseo were well rounded enough to debut, and even them weren't on the top when it came to talent, it was Jiwoo - which was TOO OLD for Hybe's love of minors. I can only say that i'm glad Jeemin debuted in Izna instead, but poor Jiwoo had her dreams CRUSHED ans gave up her dream of debuting, even thou she was THE BEST and most talented in the show, the judges praised the young and inexperienced girls even when they were 'meh' because of the FALSE argument of 'improvement', while TEARING DOWN Jeemin and Jiwoo whenever they were less than perfect. Moka was cute and i like her voice, but she was bland and had no star quality, then suddenly in the last episode, she was giving a central part in 'Feel Special' stage to make audience believe she was the one and had a reason to debut. The double standards were ridiculous. HYBE should have just debuted the group was clearly they wanted too, instead of HUMILIATING the best and most talented girls until they BROKE (jeemin, chanel, jiwoo in particular). Wonhee is literally the Hyewon of Izone but in ILLIT: pretty, but no facial expression, no charisma, barely dances, only gets the attention of the KOREAN public since they are maniac about 'purity' and 'soft flower' looks... But Hyewon was in a 12 member group, Illit only has 5, and Hyewon was not the CENTER and NOBODY would EVER expect somebody that is only 'the member who's greatest talent is being the visual' to be CENTER and FACE of the group and have a WHOLE CONCEPT made surrounding them!!! I only say good luck to Illit because the other girls didn't deserve such bad administration and rigged line up, they all deserved better (including not debuting and having more training time), because HYBE setted them up for all the hate they are getting and anyone who saw RUnext feels betrayed by hybe. They literally had girls that were amazing singers, super beautiful, with star quality and most had good to amazing voices, and yet they went with the girls that didn't had all of those YET, except Yunah and Younseo, just to fit in on the 'cute Wonhee concept' and not overshadow Wonhee. I've never seen a worst reality show in kpop, and i watch Sixteen! (twice's project). Althought all shows are rigged, they have AT LEAST a final line up that MAKES SENSE, and AT LEAST one member that in MAIN vocal that can carry the group on it's back. ILLIT doesn't have even that!
In retrospect, as someone who watched RU Next live, it is very obvious that the whole line up was rigged. Although I know and can somewhat expect these survival shows be rigged to some extent, I was really upset by how it was done. If not for Minju, I would not be a fan of ILLIT. That said, I hope that the members don't get any hate for it! It was not their doing...
hyewon of IZONE also had improvement after debut, but the group wasnt MADE surrounding her, no matter how popular with koreans she was. Wonhee deserved BETTER as well (including having more training time to improve in everything)! My problem is with HYBE! They setted these girl's up with this line up! Wonhee would be great for a 9-10 members line up: she is special and has a sweet voice, but no stage presence, charisma, or facial expression (hence the Hyewon comparison): She can improve in all of that, just like the rest of Illit, but can you see how that only works in groups with LOTS of members? Twice had this problem as well, and they all improved yes (tzuyu being the wonhee reference), but it is almost as if JYP had stupidly debuted twice with a SMALLER line up and left out Jeongyeon, Jihyo, Nayeon and Sana OUT, just to make a concept fitting of Tzuyu (she was the fan's favourite and most voted) - I really like Tzuyu, but can you see how a final line up like that for Twice would make no sense? I wish good luck to Illit, because Hybe is the problem here!
Chanelle was just not pretty enough for illit. She is pretty but illit is some serious eyecandy. Glad she found a place. And she was unstable. Illit is very demanding. Maybe worried Chanelle would snap.
@ pretty is subjective. i’d say yewon is prettier than any of illit. 😉 unstable in what? in the evil edits? illit is demanding in what exactly? in everything but vocals? 🤷♂️
@@TheYearOfJerome I will never believe that you believe that about Yewon. She's definitely cute but more of a beauty than minju, yunah or moka? Will never believe you.. that's impossible. Didn't Chanelle snap on wonhee? My memory is a little vague. Very happy Yewon made it to 50 50. I love 50 50.
i do. 100%. minju is pretty, but i don’t find a single one of them prettier than yewon. seek help. it’s a disease when you can’t accept that people may find others better than your faves.
@ wait what, you actually fell for hybe’s evil edits to justify chanelle’s elimination? 😂 it’s simply human nature and acceptable for anyone to be frustrated at people less talented but more favored than you. i know you did at some point in your life. trust me, it’s alright. 👍
Honestly MJH created new jeans, their concept....hope mjh with someone or else find other labels to reinstate them. Hype has already created illit, hence no sense of with them anymore when they already found replacement. It all started with hybe when they created copycats of new jeans. South Korean justice system already proved that no justice to commoners.
yet again HYBE treating girls like throw away wrappers of sweet packets, this company needs to take a look at itself deeply and rethink how they treat youngters... id love to hear from past HYBE artists on how they were treated
Stop just......stop with this female victim mindset. Boys are also treated unfairly and badly by the company. But you women love to ignore when boy group are mistreated.
I only say good luck to Illit because the other girls didn't deserve HYBE and such bad administration and rigged line up, they all deserved better (including not debuting and having more training time), because HYBE setted them up for all the hate they are getting and anyone who saw RUnext feels betrayed by hybe. They literally had girls that were amazing singers, super beautiful, with star quality and most had good to amazing voices, and yet they went with the girls that didn't had all of those YET, except Yunah and Younseo, just to fit in on the 'cute Wonhee concept' and not overshadow Wonhee. I've never seen a worst reality show in kpop, and i watch Sixteen! (twice's project). Althought all shows are rigged, they have AT LEAST a final line up that MAKES SENSE, and AT LEAST one member that in MAIN vocal that can carry the group on it's back: ILLIT doesn't have even that! Youngseo saw that and abandoned that ship (she's still young unlike Yunah)
yeah this was the worst survival show i've ever seen also i knew it was rigged when that judge lee hyun was openly showing favoritism..i still feel sorry for illit though it's the company fault
Incredible how people call it rigged because those that placed lower than 10th didn't make it. Check the votes in Korea, check their attitudes towards assignments. Chanelle couldn't handle the pressure while being one of the oldest in the show? She won a part in Pride but was already crying about it and being ungrateful? That precisely showed the problematic person she is. You're calling 3Jeong and New Jeans "ungrateful", but Chanelle gets away with crying and rejecting the tasks she's been assigned to do? Western bias much or just envy towards the winners and full on support for the losers?
the ogs know abt the big6 like we chose the ultimate lineup and hybe straight up rigged the whole thing. and the way we thought the concept would be girl crush or smth relating to enha’s concept cause most of the performances were heavy on girl crush until they started switching up to cute last min like tht was so incredibly annoying since most of the contestants suited the girl crush concept better AND did way better performing in tht environment 😞 I lost all interest in the show the moment jiwoo, chanelle and jeemin esp got voted out
Youngseo was smart and clearly saw that the group was never going to be authentic and that she would be REPRESSED like Yunah did... But she is much younger than Yunah, so she just quit...Good for her. Only Yunah and Youngseo were well rounded enough to debut, and even them weren't on the top when it came to talent, it was Jiwoo - which was TOO OLD for Hybe's love of minors. I can only say that i'm glad Jeemin debuted in Izna instead, but poor Jiwoo had her dreams CRUSHED ans gave up her dream of debuting, even thou she was THE BEST and most talented in the show, the judges praised the young and inexperienced girls even when they were 'meh' because of the FALSE argument of 'improvement', while TEARING DOWN Jeemin and Jiwoo whenever they were less than perfect. The double standards were ridiculous. HYBE should have just debuted the group was clearly they wanted too, instead of HUMILIATING the best and most talented girls until they BROKE (jeemin, chanel, jiwoo in particular). Youngseo deserved bettre and thankfully she herself knew that!
All survivor shows are rigged. You'll watch it, get hyped or disappointed at every episodes. But at the end of the day... The winners are decided right from the very start of the survival show. This why I don't watch this shows anymore after the last one I saw produce48
Even this channel is obsessed with illit now😂 Anyway they can never make me hate illit❤ gllits supporting illit at their worst time and the fact that this channel is bringing it up when it was 1 year ago and Chanelle jeemin happily make their debut girls r very supportive to each other debut especially illit toward their fellow trainee mate😂❤
They keep making ILLIT controversy videos because ILLIT is massive and they know it will net them views. There was plenty of talent on RU Next but let’s face the truth.. ILLIT is perfect the way they are and it shows through their success. Best new female artist in 2024 and plenty more to come. P.S. Wonhee outshines your favorite idol with probably less than half the amount of training. She is phenomenal and keeps getting better. ILLIT fighting ❤❤❤
It's absolutely disgusting of you to have edited Chanelle's face like that and to leave out that Jiwoo was in the top 3 for votes for almost the entire show.
I literally just can’t, I can’t support them. This group’s situation is just SO BAD that I literally can’t support them as a group anymore. (And it’s ironic bc as I got into ILLIT (and the K-pop fandom), I couldn’t understand people who said they couldnt support ILLIT because of the obvious rigging of the show. Now I understand.) From the show drama and rigging, to the NEWJEANS drama and rigging….it just sucks. I love ILLIT. Have nothing against those girls but I can’t bring myself to support them anymore. BSH’s SELFISHNESS caused dreams to be crushed, the ILLIT members THEMSELVES to get bashed and embarrassed, and finally NewJeans to suffer and LEAVE THE COMPANY. That’s so fucking terrible. Childish behavior for A BIG 4 COMPANY. Wow.
@@hallooos7585 If moka leaves, I’m going far away as she’s another one that makes (some) sense, she’s the 3rd best vocalist, 2nd best dancer, and best in stage presence Edit: Youngseo already made me social distance slightly and I meant in the group, not the show
The show was clearly rigged. How can the most talented and versatile contestant not even make it to the final? Chanelle really deserved to debut. Also, Jiwoo-how could she not debut?
TBH the last survival show i believe is not rigged is the 1st produce 101 which debuting I.O.I.. after that, all of the survival show looks rigged obviously for me, like produce 101 season 2, which I think Baekho should come in line for Wanna one, and Produce 48 when Gaeun suddenly drop out of debut line.. and then many survival show comes from H all obvious rigged for me, the last is IZNA, which i believe Fuko should come in line to debut, but as many of you know, she did not make it.. pheeew, there are alots to be ranting about this survival show, but you know when someone ranting, the one who called themselves as "fans" starting to attack you and bla..bla..bla.. but once the show getting exposed of rigging those called "Fans" says "That is company and producer faults" or "the idol has no power, they just do what they told" such a cliche reason..
kinda dumb if all of the member was rigged why even make a survival show? and also r u next is not even popular making it worse and the leaving of one member making it even worse but hybe still find a way 🗿
r u next was TRAUMA to me, i was so angry i threw my computer onto wall when Jeemin failed to debut in the final and Chanelle got eliminated in semi final
Jeemin and jiwoo not debuting was impossible... RUnext was so rigged that Chanel actually ASK to be eliminated. Yunah was the only one that realized the concept would be 'new jeans 2.0 minors' and that the judges were pushing Wonhee and cute concepts, so she dropped her girl crush vibe and proved the judges she could be cute as well. I actually feel sorry for Yunah actually having debuted with ILLIT, they are making her hide her true charms in this facade of cute while being called 'old' by korean fans. Youngseo clearly saw that the group was never going to be authentic and that she would be REPRESSED like Yunah did... But she is much younger than Yunah, so she just quit...Good for her. Only Yunah and Youngseo were well rounded enough to debut, and even them weren't on the top when it came to talent, it was Jiwoo - which was TOO OLD for Hybe's love of minors. I can only say that i'm glad Jeemin debuted in Izna instead, but poor Jiwoo had her dreams CRUSHED ans gave up her dream of debuting, even thou she was THE BEST and most talented in the show, the judges praised the young and inexperienced girls even when they were 'meh' because of the FALSE argument of 'improvement', while TEARING DOWN Jeemin and Jiwoo whenever they were less than perfect. Moka was cute and i like her voice, but she was bland and had no star quality, then suddenly in the last episode, she was giving a central part in 'Feel Special' stage to make audience believe she was the one and had a reason to debut. The double standards were ridiculous. HYBE should have just debuted the group was clearly they wanted too, instead of HUMILIATING the best and most talented girls until they BROKE (jeemin, chanel, jiwoo in particular). Wonhee is literally the Hyewon of Izone but in ILLIT: pretty, but no facial expression, no charisma, barely dances, only gets the attention of the KOREAN public since they are maniac about 'purity' and 'soft flower' looks... But Hyewon was in a 12 member group, Illit only has 5, and Hyewon was not the CENTER and NOBODY would EVER expect somebody that is only 'the member who's greatest talent is being the visual' to be CENTER and FACE of the group and have a WHOLE CONCEPT made surrounding them!!! I only say good luck to Illit because the other girls didn't deserve such bad administration and rigged line up, they all deserved better (including not debuting and having more training time), because HYBE setted them up for all the hate they are getting and anyone who saw RUnext feels betrayed by hybe. They literally had girls that were amazing singers, super beautiful, with star quality and most had good to amazing voices, and yet they went with the girls that didn't had all of those YET, except Yunah and Younseo, just to fit in on the 'cute Wonhee concept' and not overshadow Wonhee. I've never seen a worst reality show in kpop, and i watch Sixteen! (twice's project). Althought all shows are rigged, they have AT LEAST a final line up that MAKES SENSE, and AT LEAST one member that in MAIN vocal that can carry the group on it's back. ILLIT doesn't have even that!
I just wanna say that there’s that one Fearless cover for this show and I was so confused for Wonhee because they showed voice cracks the first two times and then a perfect voice??
Wonhee has proven to be a very quick study. And she sings like an angel. Maybe 2nd best voice on illit. Listen to her on Baby it's Both. Her voice is iconic.
@ no i mean it was the same scene. I was very confused they out the same clip 3x in a row and the third time she sounded correct while the rest of the times she had a voice cracj
I really can't love illit after what happened in that show. Everytime i see them , i remember jiwo and other girls(i dont remember their names)and just feel angry.they should have just debut them. This show made me think how many talented trainees were dropped because of favouritism and visuals. And how many idols who didnt really deserved the spot debuted. Crazy...
Not even fair to say rigged. The 1st three were the top 3 vote getters. Company picked the last 3. Yunah and Iroha, which are obvious excellent picks. And then sweet Moka-chan... that was the genius pick. She fits the lineup perfectly. People are forgetting company has a vision they want to execute. They need the right blend of people.
Idk it’s not a government entity it’s just a company and their show. If I was the producer of a show and I wanted to rig the votes to get the result I want I just would do it. It’s just a show for the people but for the company it’s their business and their investments
They are both awesome. Wonhee won votes. Moka was a strong performer too. Company was genius pick Moka. She can dance, top notch visual and her unique vocal tone adds texture to illit signature sound. She help them get big in Japan too.
Yeah, them deciding the members just defeats the whole purpose of a survival show. Glad we got to see some actually talented idols though like Chanelle and Yewon, who we probably wouldn't have seen otherwise.
stop with the "manipulated" thing, don't make your own vision of something you don't know, no one of us was in the inside of all the conversations and everything, so let's stop making assumptions and just support how we want, court will say everything at the end.
@@twojogoreczek1966 If you think they weren't manipulated by Min Hee-Jin then im afraid you are too blind to see reality, they quite literally are sabotaging their own careers just because they feel like they are nothing without her. Yes courts will expose everything but its quite clear that the new jeans members are manipulated, why else would they be very loyal to MHJ
They feel protected with her, can you blame them? She’s been with them for like 5 years and have sheltered them from those weirdos in hybe, also I saw somewhere on twitter that literally everyone she’s worked with is supporting her so what exactly is the issue with that woman? And I need legit answers not hybe said….
For my opinion, everything’s happened during the show and this years against ILLIT, is not the girls fault. They goes viral with Magnetic, they began to create and make they own path and signature group ( Hands chorégraphy, soft, magical concept ). It’s since EXID that i do not fall in love and hapiness with one groupe. So please lets support them, and stop the drama with NJ or whatever. They also win the Rookie years girl group.. they cry a lot, they deserved it. Let support ILLIT! Moka, she was my favorite since thé début!
if you are going to vocalize that you want to be eliminated ... ur wish will be granted. does anyone think that any management company will let the audience pick it's groups members when lots of $$$ are on the line. C'mon now.
The debut of Illit is more like: we already have a success group data why not use them? Just change a little bit here and there, not to make it the same but lets just say the girls we have look cuter and make it not like NJ but can adjust accordingly.
Since my starting point of watching survival shows the only survival show that didn't irritate me is the ongoing one scool like from iland iland2 makemate universal ticket starlightboys project 7 Produce 101 and more and mainly R u next just pissed the hell out of me
produce 101 was rigged, but at least the final line up made sense and the girls had success instead of hate. RUnext pissed me off more than Girls planet 999 and Sixteen (twice's debut survival show)
@selenevandernix9353 I never watched sixteen so I don't have a clue about that and yeah that's why I even said mainly R u next what I never honestly get is why every single survival show always ends up not debuting the most talented or rather the most deserving trainees like kpop is so biased over looks like in every line up there is always problems within it
My main pick was Jiwoo, I absolutely loved her voice, her visuals, her personality and her dance is great too. But honestly, by the end of the show, I gave up on the hope that she would debut coz it was clear she was 'too old' for the company. They totally screwed her over in the semifinals with that cap in Scrum (you can't even see her face sometimes) and the camerawork in Feel special, she was the main vocalist. Still, whenever her part came on, it switched to another trainee or panned out to the goddamn stage. Also the hairstyle and top for Feel special was so ugly, the tight ponytail made her hairline look terrible, the top was so shapeless and full of sequins it looks like something your mother's grandma would have worn to a disco party. But I thought that AT LEAST JEEMIN (I was unsure about Yunah) was for sure going to make it in. She's charismatic, a really good dancer, and a powerful performer who can also carry softer concepts (eg Eleven). SO when she didn't make it in, I was blown. Like I had to sit there and process. Like how??? She was well-loved, maybe not like Youngseo, but Koreans still liked her and she was 'young' enough. Anyway, it's been clear that it's clearly rigged, almost every show is. The only bad thing about ILLIT being rigged is making Wonhee the center and playing on her cute and childish visual to create a baby concept and styling for the ENTIRE group. Like Yunah stands out with their styling because they insist on dressing her the same level of childish that they dress everyone else when she is so much taller and her face doesn't have the baby fat for her to look enough like a child. In fact, on multiple occasions, some of the members have had less childish outfits so they could've just switched and it's not a budget issue (yeah right) They're TEENAGERS, DRESS THEM LIKE IT (yes ik 3 of them are 20 but u get my point) It feels so good to rant BUT BUTTTTT IT'S IN THE GODAMN PAST LET IT STAY THAT WAY ILLit is improving (with the exception of their fandom name), they're blending more, being more cohesive as a group (appearance wise), their comeback is actually quite good and not just a tiktok song. The contestants that had a chance at debut have all found new careers, debuted in other groups. Chanelle and Yewon in Fifi, Jeemin in izna, Jihyun in 4IREN under uniquetunes (predebut), Himena in the jpop group MYERA. Jiwoo and Jeongeun are rumoured to be prusing acting, but basically they're still chasing their dreams. Moa is a model and seems to be very happy. Almost all the girls I've mentioned are semifinalists or finalists, and as for the rest, they're all the maknaes and still have chances. I do hope to hear more from Youngseo, she would be such a loss. Moral of the story? Just let it go, try enjoy what we have, even if you don't like ILLIT, izna and fifty fifty exists and they're good, so stop stirring up old drama and let's celebrate the 2nd anniversary of the end of runext next year
I like how illit balances out height wise. Yunah is 5' 6" and Iroha is 5' 2" and then all 3 other girls are the same at 5' 4". Good looking balanced lineup.
Actually, like the whole show is rigged from the beginning, like, idk in which way people will take it, but still like how did wonhee win the 1st place like I m not hating on her but still there were many talented contestants than her and plus about the channel thing I think it's not because of how she reacted or about her attitude I think it's because she doesn't fit the concept that they wanted and that's it Like people were exaggerating like oh she can't handle thing or she is not matured enough for this responsibility and she doesn't deserve to debut and stuff like that. like it's survival show after all like their will be mental effect and pressure afterall she was just teenager and she will have her own worries cause that's her future, like it can't be indicated as maturity or anything like even she didn't say anything bad to wonhee she said I can't do it and if she can't than what ? Like I am not saying it's wonhee fault, but at the same time, it's not channel fault, and let's not forget when every contestant was singing live and wonhee was lip syncing
if they really wanted to rig chanelle out of a spot wouldnt they have rigged yeongseo out as well, himena or Jeongeun would have fit illits concept really well or even jeemin from izna would have worked. You could say they just kicked her out after the fact but i do believe yeongseo chose to leave herself due to the concept. I guess we'll never know though everything is just speculation in this industry.
I mean I’m happy with yunah and minju and yeongseo, iroha is talented as well but it would be better if she debuted older and improved a bit on her vocals and moka could’ve improved her vocals as well and for wonhee… 1 month is not enough training. She lacks in dancing and sp, she’s good at vocals and could’ve debuted older as well
Fr Hybe prob let her go cause she overshadowed Wonhee and wanted Wonhee to be center, Hybe is so dumb for letting go of a potential it girl, but instead they try to make Wonhee a Wonyoung 2.0 but without the star quality 😢💔
Most girls groups from Hybe came from survival shows. They try to boost the popularity of the members first before practically training them. Hybe doesn't train them, they make them popular first so that they have fans before debuting. Less money training. Short training time. Debute early. Early return of investment. More money for Hybe.
Now what's the point in diging bcz final lineup is set now and girls r doing better just support them and don't hate them its not their fault not only hybe other companies also riged shows so it's nothing new
If the following factors did/didn't happen,every problem that's happening under HYBE would have been avoided: •If HYBE ent. actually formed the best lineup out of ru next (youngseo,jiwoo,chanelle,minju, yunah,jeemin),ILLIT would have not been getting the hate they are now •NewJeans disbandment (?) could have not been happening •Youngseo would have not left ILLIT •If RU Next and ILLIT's current concept was not centered around Wonhee,Moka could have never gotten all that massive hate •If RU Next/HYBE used the criteria like other survival shows (company chooses 1 member,the rest by votes),ILLIT would have been gotten THAT MUCH hate as compared to now •If the judges were not xenophobic,Chanelle could have debuted in ILLIT MAIN POINT:HYBE ENTERTAINMENT's downfall honestly started when RU Next ended,and if they never decided to air it in the first place,HYBE would have not been problematic like now,and concludes my factors...
You are right! Another point : the final line up should have had more spots and HYBE should have let go of the 'cute and minors concept: most girls there didn't fit that... Jeemin and jiwoo not debuting was impossible... RUnext was so rigged that Chanel actually ASK to be eliminated. Yunah was the only one that realized the concept would be 'new jeans 2.0 minors' and that the judges were pushing Wonhee and cute concepts, so she dropped her girl crush vibe and proved the judges she could be cute as well. I actually feel sorry for Yunah actually having debuted with ILLIT, they are making her hide her true charms in this facade of cute while being called 'old' by korean fans. Youngseo clearly saw that the group was never going to be authentic and that she would be REPRESSED like Yunah did... But she is much younger than Yunah, so she just quit...Good for her. Only Yunah and Youngseo were well rounded enough to debut, and even them weren't on the top when it came to talent, it was Jiwoo - which was TOO OLD for Hybe's love of minors. I can only say that i'm glad Jeemin debuted in Izna instead, but poor Jiwoo had her dreams CRUSHED ans gave up her dream of debuting, even thou she was THE BEST and most talented in the show, the judges praised the young and inexperienced girls even when they were 'meh' because of the FALSE argument of 'improvement', while TEARING DOWN Jeemin and Jiwoo whenever they were less than perfect. Moka was cute and i like her voice, but she was bland and had no star quality, then suddenly in the last episode, she was giving a central part in 'Feel Special' stage to make audience believe she was the one and had a reason to debut. The double standards were ridiculous. HYBE should have just debuted the group was clearly they wanted too, instead of HUMILIATING the best and most talented girls until they BROKE (jeemin, chanel, jiwoo in particular). Wonhee is literally the Hyewon of Izone but in ILLIT: pretty, but no facial expression, no charisma, barely dances, only gets the attention of the KOREAN public since they are maniac about 'purity' and 'soft flower' looks... But Hyewon was in a 12 member group, Illit only has 5, and Hyewon was not the CENTER and NOBODY would EVER expect somebody that is only 'the member who's greatest talent is being the visual' to be CENTER and FACE of the group and have a WHOLE CONCEPT made surrounding them!!! I only say good luck to Illit because the other girls didn't deserve such bad administration and rigged line up, they ALL deserved better (including not debuting and having more training time), because HYBE setted them up for all the hate they are getting and anyone who saw RUnext feels BETRAYED by hybe. They literally had girls that were amazing singers, super beautiful, with star quality and most had good to amazing voices, and yet they went with the girls that didn't had all of those YET, except Yunah and Younseo, just to fit in on the 'cute Wonhee concept' and not overshadow Wonhee. I've never seen a worst reality show in kpop, and i watch Sixteen! (twice's project). Althought all shows are rigged, they have AT LEAST a final line up that MAKES SENSE, and AT LEAST one member that in MAIN vocal that can carry the group on it's back. ILLIT doesn't have even that!
Chanelle spiralled so much at that point, something else must have added to the stress and it was right for her to snap at wonhee cuz it's only a human response.....and the show just took the opportunity Still think they all ended where they are supposed to be and the others that we haven't seen yet will also be where they are supposed to be.❤
Moka and Yeong Seo aren’t pretty at all. Yeong Seo was even kicked out by Min Hee Jin when she was supposed to debut with NewJeans because of her looks. Good luck proving your claim logically LOL
@@tokongmamaril3653 I am saying that if “Korea” chose them just by looking at the faces, Moka and YeongSeo would never have made it there. Plus, there are a lot of ugly actresses being successful and popular in Korea. According to your comment, they should never be on TV. Plus, if you wanna talk about talents, Iroha made a lot of errors than any other girls in the competition, but she gets a free pass because both Koreans and none Koreans like her looks. Won Hee never did anything wrong. She worked hard and made a fast improvement. The haters only judge her by her age and cute face and never stop attacking her. The way that haters are attacking Ill’it is ridiculous and illogical. You are all annoying and waste of time.
@@tokongmamaril3653 I am saying that if your comment is true, Moka wouldn’t even be in Illit. Plus, Iroha made performance errors more than anyone during the show. But, just because none Korean fans LOVE her so much, she got a free pass. Plus, Korea has a lot of successful ugly actresses too. Why are they on TV if only pretty ones get to be selected? And Ill’it girls are highly talented, so they were not debuted just because of their pretty faces.
You guys are one of the biggest channel that helps feed the illit hate train. I have never seen a positive video where you talk good about the Girls, is the only way you can get views?
1- Leave Illit and Newjeans alone!!(Stop hating them, let’s keep supporting them) 2- I’m glad Chanelle debuted with fiftyfifty 3- I’m glad the Jeemin debuted with Izna 4- I’m sad about Youngseo, I hope she’s doing okay 🫶🏻 5- And lastly these survival shows needs to stop. Please🙏
I UNDERSTAND THAT ILLIT GIRLS HAVE NO FAULT IN THIS, BUT THE COMPANY DOES, AND IF WE BOYCOTT ILLIT THEY'LL UNDERSTAND THEY SHOULD NOT MESS WITH GROUPS LIKE THAT CUZ IT'LL BACKLASH. THEY SHOULDNT MESS UP WITH NEWJEANS
Did you watch the video? They say they are bringing up because the public is complaining about the inaccuracies in BLL statements. It has nothing to do with the group members.
@LexandraLoaiza yes. Did you watch the vid all the way to the end? Company answered all complaints but people continue to refuse to change their minds. The end.
The company should choose the idols for their groups bc there's no point of doing survival shows when the final lineup is decided all ready. If they want the hype for the group they should do like lil series of the group's predebut time
They should have done something similar like BABYMONSTER documentary if they wanted to fake a survival show so much 💀
I can only say that i'm glad Jeemin debuted in Izna instead, but poor Jiwoo had her dreams CRUSHED ans gave up her dream of debuting, even thou she was THE BEST and most talented in the RUNEXT, the judges praised the young and inexperienced girls even when they were 'meh' because of the FALSE argument of 'improvement', while TEARING DOWN Jeemin and Jiwoo whenever they were less than perfect. Moka was cute and i like her voice, but she was bland and had no star quality, then suddenly in the last episode, she was giving a central part in 'Feel Special' stage to make audience believe she was the one and had a reason to debut.
The double standards were ridiculous. HYBE should have just debuted the group was clearly they wanted too, instead of HUMILIATING the best and most talented girls until they BROKE (jeemin, chanel, jiwoo in particular).
Wonhee is literally the Hyewon of Izone but in ILLIT: pretty, but no facial expression, no charisma, barely dances, only gets the attention of the KOREAN public since they are maniac about 'purity' and 'soft flower' looks... But Hyewon was in a 12 member group, Illit only has 5, and Hyewon was not the CENTER and NOBODY would EVER expect somebody that is only 'the member who's greatest talent is being the visual' to be CENTER and FACE of the group and have a WHOLE CONCEPT made surrounding them!!!
yeah, they should’ve gone the babymonster route and did a “last evaluation” series
@selenevandernix9353 you underestimate Wonhee. Korea fell in love with her perfect cuteness. I mean she's like an anime. And Korea is like that. But if she couldn't sing and dance illit would have a problem. At first it looked like a gamble but now.. it's obvious the gamble has paid off spectacularly. She is a very strong clever girl. An amazing quick study. Watch her choreo on a fancam for MAMA. She did great. And really, you think she has no charisma? Right there, I know you are not paying attention. She is the most popular member of illit because of her visual and charisma. Sings like an angel too. The whole team was constructed to execute a vision. All have important roles.
not entirely true, the company also need to feel what people gravitated to. Nothing is set in stone, it would be foolish to set people in stone. Please use common sense. Seems people are too emotional to think.
You know what Im actually glad that Chanelle didnt debut in Illit. It would’ve cost her wayy to much stress. She is way better in fifty fifty plus fifty fiftys concept suits her better.
6:21 Im sorry no hate but Chanelle was kinda right about that reaction I mean she was being pushed to do something she couldn’t she must have been so flustered
(No hate to illit or wonhee i stan the group and I love wonhee)
Illit members probably make 10x as fifty fifty members and will very likely have a long career with awards, sponsorships and world tours while fifty fifty members are unlikely to reach any of that.
Jeemin and jiwoo not debuting was impossible... RUnext was so rigged that Chanel actually ASK to be eliminated, because she didn't want to bend her will and be a puppet. Yunah was the only one that realized the concept would be 'new jeans 2.0 minors' and that the judges were pushing Wonhee and cute concepts, so she dropped her girl crush vibe and proved the judges she could be cute as well.
I actually feel sorry for Yunah actually having debuted with ILLIT, they are making her hide her true charms in this facade of cute while being called 'old' by korean fans.
Youngseo clearly saw that the group was never going to be authentic and that she would be REPRESSED like Yunah did... But she is much younger than Yunah, so she just quit...Good for her. Only Yunah and Youngseo were well rounded enough to debut, and even them weren't on the top when it came to talent, it was Jiwoo - which was TOO OLD for Hybe's love of minors.
I can only say that i'm glad Jeemin debuted in Izna instead, but poor Jiwoo had her dreams CRUSHED ans gave up her dream of debuting, even thou she was THE BEST and most talented in the show, the judges praised the young and inexperienced girls even when they were 'meh' because of the FALSE argument of 'improvement', while TEARING DOWN Jeemin and Jiwoo whenever they were less than perfect.
What do you mean "she couldn't"? Yewon also had to take the vocal team's leader position in the vocal / dancing competition, and despite being much less prepared for the leader role (due to lack of trainee experience), she didn't throw a tantrum and did her best.
Just accept it bro. Chanelle isn't good enough for Illit. I'm so sorry
@ she is she really is
People that watched the show called it " Are you rigged ? " ... Talented and popular trainees were left out so 😅
Not popular in Korea, though. Chanelle's vote show it. Her votes in Korea were less than half of everyone else's and let's be honest, people only cheered for her because she was already a survival reject and was the western underdog. Right now in Fifty Fifty she's being outshined by a 17 year old with just 3 months of training for a reason.
@guaroguarino Lol Chanelle wasn't the only trainee left out. And also Wohnee winning first 😅
It was clear that show was rigged cos how can you do a survival show and 5/6 can barely hold a note, the people supporting this group are weird, I want to hear from the member that was kicked out, I feel she holds the answer to everything about illit
5/6 can't hold on a note? what are you even saying, do you even know anything about illit or are you just looking at those 1 min reels and shorts and believing them?? Before their debut, around 4 of 6 of the members had good vocals, which was yunah, minju, youngeso, partially iroha and wonhee. Moka was the only one who was mostly weak in vocals. Which they have improved now and are doing fabulous. Theres nothing weird about supporting the group, you all look at one aspect of talent and not the other, because they are all actually amazing dancers and have amazing stage presence as well.
you can hate the show, and the stupid voting system, and even dislike the final line up but '5/'6 can barely hold a note'? lets not lie. ur basing this on what exactly? a bad encore from 10 months ago? watch a recording bts or a performance on a radio show or something my god
How was Jeemin not mentioned? She's the most favorite to win in that survival show
But glad she didn't debut in illit, izna the best
@@aloboyeptho6304I feel the same. Izna > illit
You didn't mention that Wonhee ranked 9th in votes during the 9th week of the show and then somehow skyrocketed to 1st place in the finale, which makes it very clear that belift rigged the votes to make it seem like she earned her debut when everyone knew she didn't
Wasn't Wonhee's low rank in votes for previous weeks due to international votes and the international audience's attempted boycott of minor contestants? In the final round, there were only votes from Korea
i think that mostly had to do with ppl finding out two would make it through voting, she had ranked top 6 in voting before and I think most people assumed they didnt have to worry about jiwoo or jeemin bc they thought the coaches would pick them, similar to how kep1ers xiaoting was 1st in voting every week but fell to 9th in the final line up on the very last episode bc ppl thought she was safe
They didn’t tamper with the votes,they just counted international votes way less so they didn’t have any effect on the final line up last minute.Thats where their early voting events came in handy.So yes it was rigged i mean why is the company trying to deny it?You don’t market a survival show as voter based and then pick almost the entirety of the line up by yourself,last minute.Thats literally the definition of dishonesty.
@@blossom6143 That’s not how the voting worked. There were two rounds of voting in the finals. One was before the finals and included votes from both international fans and Korean viewers. For example, Wonhee was almost at the bottom spot in that round. However, those votes only counted for 20-30%. The second round was only open to Korean viewers and made up 70% of the final results. This meant that international votes had a significant disadvantage and didn’t end up playing much of a role in the final outcome.Basically useless
Did u we watched the same show ? Wonhee got 9th it’s only International vote but she got top 1 in Korea vote and in the end of the show they only counted Korea vote only you better used your eyes go to read and watch again hope this u
glad that chanelle ended up with fiftyfifty 😊 i also like yeongseo, hope she could debut with another company
Any news about Youngseo?
@@choidarksas I know she's still a trainee but in another agency
boycott
boycott fifty fifty!!
boycott the old members, and support chanelle and the new fifty fifty
I’m glad Dream Academy and Universe ticket is not a rigged survival show like RU Next. the closest same rigged show with RU Next is Time Turner! I mean really Kelly Kim no. 1?
Yeah i didn't watch DA but I watched UT and we didn't expect much on Hyeon ju and Yoona to debut no offense in the early time of the show Hyeon ju is my top 8 and she got replaced by Yoona later and now they debuted
Well kotoko? And hyeonju? And how sumin was left out? UT was veryyyy rigged + the leaving of yona
@@jasnoorkhabra Kotoko already has a big fan base from tha start, and Elisia's voters vote for Gehlee and Hyeon ju because of their filipina heritage, and about Sumin I really want her to debut but she's not on my top 8 and I think her fan base falter after the Units and Yona got bad editing and super short lines so the blame is on the producers not on the whole show
@@jasnoorkhabra wasnt rigged sumin just lost to the votes thats all there is.
Lets also not forget how in UT, the level stations was clearly made to rig out half of the popular contestants. Riel, Aya, Park Yewon, Narumi was all placed in the low lvl while trainees like Kotoko was ranked higher. The lower team As I Told You had the some of the more popular members who would have definetly debuted if they weren't already eliminated; Aya, Vanesya, Riel and Park Yewon. As well, Kwon Chaewon's elimination over Kotoko was most likely rigged as well. One of the own judges stated they shouldn't be keeping Kotoko much longer, but still she survived. The new song station is objective but the line distribution given to Eunhyung was a clear sign they wanted her out. Same thing with the Unit Station with their whole line distributions to get people away from being voted. Eg; Yona, Eunhyung, Sujin. Guarenteed if they didn't rig out the popular global contestants during the Level Stations UNIS would have been a COMPLETELY different group.
I mean it's clear it wad rigged from wonhee won 1st 😂😂😂
Fr tho
You don't understand Korea. She's hugely popular. They love love love cute. To her credit she has improved remarkably. They took a gamble on her and it has paid off splendidly.
wonhee won first from votes.. she was the most popular one in korea she wasnt rigged in bffr
The double standards were ridiculous. HYBE should have just debuted the group as clearly they wanted too, instead of HUMILIATING the best and most talented girls until they BROKE (jeemin, chanel, jiwoo in particular).
Wonhee is literally the Hyewon of Izone but in ILLIT: pretty, but no facial expression, no charisma, barely dances, only gets the attention of the KOREAN public since they are maniac about 'purity' and 'soft flower' looks... But Hyewon was in a 12 member group, Illit only has 5, and Hyewon was not the CENTER and NOBODY would EVER expect somebody that is only 'the member who's greatest talent is being the visual' to be CENTER and FACE of the group and have a WHOLE CONCEPT made surrounding them!!!
I only say good luck to Illit because the other girls didn't deserve such bad administration and rigged line up, they all deserved better (including not debuting and having more training time), because HYBE setted them up for all the hate they are getting and anyone who saw RUnext feels betrayed by hybe. They literally had girls that were amazing singers, super beautiful, with star quality and most had good to amazing voices, and yet they went with the girls that didn't had all of those YET, except Yunah and Younseo, just to fit in on the 'cute Wonhee concept' and not overshadow Wonhee. I've never seen a worst reality show in kpop, and i watch Sixteen! (twice's project). Althought all shows are rigged, they have AT LEAST a final line up that MAKES SENSE, and AT LEAST one member that in MAIN vocal that can carry the group on it's back. ILLIT doesn't have even that!
@ nobodys reading all that bc u obviously dont know anything about illit so shut up. Wonhees stage presence has improved SO MUCH since runext. wonhee can sing dance and has good sp stay mad. + illits concept was chosen before wonhee even became a trainee and since she was so popular, talented and fits the concept so well ofc she debuted
I’m really disappointed in BELIFT, not only they rigged the show nearly 3 months before it’s formed but they wasted the time of the trainees, especially the foreign ones the ones who traveled from their home country to a new country just to follow their dreams without knowing the show was rigged, not only the trainees also the ILLIT members, who received criticism even though it wasn’t their fault but the company’s, it’s a lose- lose situation for both sides
Hybe is trying everything to make ILLIT bigger in every way. They chose the final lineup earlier and then started the survival show probably to give ILLIT popularity before debut. *but you guys need to understand that this isn’t ILLIT’s fault. This is clearly all Hybe’s fault.*
These girls just cannot catch a break.
Im glad chanelle is in fifty fifty now ngl
kinda happy that she's not on illit but being in the new fifi? idk
One is famous in Korea and the other is infamous and also not that popular so idk
She looks fresher and happier with the group too
hell no
This is disgusting if they want to debut the member they want then they should choose them and train them properly people are not stupid this poor tactic give nothing but negative image about illit members and mostly it's play with hardwork of other more talented trianes like chanell, jiwoo, jeemin 😢😢
The double standards were ridiculous. HYBE should have just debuted the group as clearly they wanted too, instead of HUMILIATING the best and most talented girls until they BROKE (jeemin, chanel, jiwoo in particular).
Wonhee is literally the Hyewon of Izone but in ILLIT: pretty, but no facial expression, no charisma, barely dances, only gets the attention of the KOREAN public since they are maniac about 'purity' and 'soft flower' looks... But Hyewon was in a 12 member group, Illit only has 5, and Hyewon was not the CENTER and NOBODY would EVER expect somebody that is only 'the member who's greatest talent is being the visual' to be CENTER and FACE of the group and have a WHOLE CONCEPT made surrounding them!!!
I only say good luck to Illit because the other girls didn't deserve such bad administration and rigged line up, they all deserved better (including not debuting and having more training time), because HYBE setted them up for all the hate they are getting and anyone who saw RUnext feels betrayed by hybe. They literally had girls that were amazing singers, super beautiful, with star quality and most had good to amazing voices, and yet they went with the girls that didn't had all of those YET, except Yunah and Younseo, just to fit in on the 'cute Wonhee concept' and not overshadow Wonhee. I've never seen a worst reality show in kpop, and i watch Sixteen! (twice's project). Althought all shows are rigged, they have AT LEAST a final line up that MAKES SENSE, and AT LEAST one member that in MAIN vocal that can carry the group on it's back. ILLIT doesn't have even that!
@@selenevandernix9353Hyewon debuted because of her leadership during the show and people felt for her as her team were clearly all weak in skillset and all of them gave up but she was the only one that tried her best to get the team together despite all of them giving up, which this act gained her spot
The pic of chanelle you did bad please fix it
It’s good for Chanelle to debut in FIFTY FIFTY ❤❤❤
Y’all, this is so funny. Why does the biggest channel never say anything good about girls? Like… is she trying to fuel more hate trains on Illit?
Channels like this never have a good thing to say they only want clicks
also, illit ISN'T NJ 2.0, I'm getting sick of this twisted narrative to fuel the hate
I hope you make a video about newjeans leaving ador because people should know the mistreatment ador or hybe does to members and the staff.
yeah
I only say good luck to Illit because the other girls didn't deserve HYBE and such bad administration and rigged line up, they all deserved better (including not debuting and having more training time), because HYBE setted them up for all the hate they are getting and anyone who saw RUnext feels betrayed by hybe. They literally had girls that were amazing singers, super beautiful, with star quality and most had good to amazing voices, and yet they went with the girls that didn't had all of those YET, except Yunah and Younseo, just to fit in on the 'cute Wonhee concept' and not overshadow Wonhee. I've never seen a worst reality show in kpop, and i watch Sixteen! (twice's project). Althought all shows are rigged, they have AT LEAST a final line up that MAKES SENSE, and AT LEAST one member that in MAIN vocal that can carry the group on it's back. ILLIT doesn't have even that! Youngseo saw that and abandoned that ship (she's still young unlike Yunah).
You mean the mistreatment of HYBE to its staff and subsidiaries? Because at the end of the day doesn’t matter how you spin it HYBE escalated the situation instead of handling it before it got out of control.
@@SBBunny93more like hybe let it be cus nj and mhj did enough damge to them
exactly!
8:03 they said plans? it doesnt necesarily mean they already chose the members, but the concept and direction they wanted the group to go, do yall expect them to get to work after the members are chosen? its smart business wise to already have a strategy and everything, they were just missing the members, ppl always assume or see things where there's nothing
I can't wait to see yewon and chanelle tomorrow 11/29 ❤ im glad they joined fifty fifty. i know attrack can show their full potential
I am surprised more why Youngseo left, like it made no sense leaving a group about to debut as she already worked hard & won the survival show. The leaked report from hybe discussing how Youngseo might grab too much attention away from other members kinda made it more suspicious. Does anyone know why she left or was let go
I love Illit's music and the path it's going to specially now. But this show is definitely rigged. Wonhee ranking 1st and Jimin not getting in is wild!
Good thing though that it ended that way bc Jimin being in Izna is a lot better.
CHANELLE DEBUTED IN FIFTY FIFTY PLEASE SUPPORT HER
Chanelle was number 1/2 for international votes the entire show and they never gave her voice editing but gave others extensive editing and loud backtracks and letting them lip-sing. Thank god Chanelle didn't debut under Hybe in that fraudulent group
Jeemin and jiwoo not debuting was impossible... RUnext was so rigged that Chanel actually ASK to be eliminated. Yunah was the only one that realized the concept would be 'new jeans 2.0 minors' and that the judges were pushing Wonhee and cute concepts, so she dropped her girl crush vibe and proved the judges she could be cute as well.
I actually feel sorry for Yunah actually having debuted with ILLIT, they are making her hide her true charms in this facade of cute while being called 'old' by korean fans.
Youngseo clearly saw that the group was never going to be authentic and that she would be REPRESSED like Yunah did... But she is much younger than Yunah, so she just quit...Good for her. Only Yunah and Youngseo were well rounded enough to debut, and even them weren't on the top when it came to talent, it was Jiwoo - which was TOO OLD for Hybe's love of minors.
I can only say that i'm glad Jeemin debuted in Izna instead, but poor Jiwoo had her dreams CRUSHED ans gave up her dream of debuting, even thou she was THE BEST and most talented in the show, the judges praised the young and inexperienced girls even when they were 'meh' because of the FALSE argument of 'improvement', while TEARING DOWN Jeemin and Jiwoo whenever they were less than perfect. Moka was cute and i like her voice, but she was bland and had no star quality, then suddenly in the last episode, she was giving a central part in 'Feel Special' stage to make audience believe she was the one and had a reason to debut.
The double standards were ridiculous. HYBE should have just debuted the group was clearly they wanted too, instead of HUMILIATING the best and most talented girls until they BROKE (jeemin, chanel, jiwoo in particular).
Wonhee is literally the Hyewon of Izone but in ILLIT: pretty, but no facial expression, no charisma, barely dances, only gets the attention of the KOREAN public since they are maniac about 'purity' and 'soft flower' looks... But Hyewon was in a 12 member group, Illit only has 5, and Hyewon was not the CENTER and NOBODY would EVER expect somebody that is only 'the member who's greatest talent is being the visual' to be CENTER and FACE of the group and have a WHOLE CONCEPT made surrounding them!!!
I only say good luck to Illit because the other girls didn't deserve such bad administration and rigged line up, they all deserved better (including not debuting and having more training time), because HYBE setted them up for all the hate they are getting and anyone who saw RUnext feels betrayed by hybe. They literally had girls that were amazing singers, super beautiful, with star quality and most had good to amazing voices, and yet they went with the girls that didn't had all of those YET, except Yunah and Younseo, just to fit in on the 'cute Wonhee concept' and not overshadow Wonhee. I've never seen a worst reality show in kpop, and i watch Sixteen! (twice's project). Althought all shows are rigged, they have AT LEAST a final line up that MAKES SENSE, and AT LEAST one member that in MAIN vocal that can carry the group on it's back. ILLIT doesn't have even that!
In retrospect, as someone who watched RU Next live, it is very obvious that the whole line up was rigged. Although I know and can somewhat expect these survival shows be rigged to some extent, I was really upset by how it was done. If not for Minju, I would not be a fan of ILLIT.
That said, I hope that the members don't get any hate for it! It was not their doing...
hyewon of IZONE also had improvement after debut, but the group wasnt MADE surrounding her, no matter how popular with koreans she was. Wonhee deserved BETTER as well (including having more training time to improve in everything)! My problem is with HYBE! They setted these girl's up with this line up! Wonhee would be great for a 9-10 members line up: she is special and has a sweet voice, but no stage presence, charisma, or facial expression (hence the Hyewon comparison): She can improve in all of that, just like the rest of Illit, but can you see how that only works in groups with LOTS of members?
Twice had this problem as well, and they all improved yes (tzuyu being the wonhee reference), but it is almost as if JYP had stupidly debuted twice with a SMALLER line up and left out Jeongyeon, Jihyo, Nayeon and Sana OUT, just to make a concept fitting of Tzuyu (she was the fan's favourite and most voted) - I really like Tzuyu, but can you see how a final line up like that for Twice would make no sense?
I wish good luck to Illit, because Hybe is the problem here!
I am just happy that chanelle debut in fifty fifty 😂. Also jeemin debut in izna and just released their debut song called izna. Stream it 😅😂
Simplemente no puedes dejar a illit en paz .
The fact that Wonhee debuted screamed riggery from the get go.
i constantly thank HYBE for fcking things up and giving us CHANELLE and YEWON 🥰
Chanelle was just not pretty enough for illit. She is pretty but illit is some serious eyecandy. Glad she found a place. And she was unstable. Illit is very demanding. Maybe worried Chanelle would snap.
@ pretty is subjective. i’d say yewon is prettier than any of illit. 😉
unstable in what? in the evil edits? illit is demanding in what exactly? in everything but vocals? 🤷♂️
@@TheYearOfJerome I will never believe that you believe that about Yewon. She's definitely cute but more of a beauty than minju, yunah or moka? Will never believe you.. that's impossible. Didn't Chanelle snap on wonhee? My memory is a little vague. Very happy Yewon made it to 50 50. I love 50 50.
i do. 100%. minju is pretty, but i don’t find a single one of them prettier than yewon. seek help. it’s a disease when you can’t accept that people may find others better than your faves.
@ wait what, you actually fell for hybe’s evil edits to justify chanelle’s elimination? 😂 it’s simply human nature and acceptable for anyone to be frustrated at people less talented but more favored than you. i know you did at some point in your life. trust me, it’s alright. 👍
Honestly MJH created new jeans, their concept....hope mjh with someone or else find other labels to reinstate them.
Hype has already created illit, hence no sense of with them anymore when they already found replacement.
It all started with hybe when they created copycats of new jeans.
South Korean justice system already proved that no justice to commoners.
wow illit could never catch a break from these haters
What part of this video is hateful towards ILLIT?
No one can run away from facts
@@LexandraLoaiza but this made ppl hate them even more tho?
I love illit but the show was rigged
yet again HYBE treating girls like throw away wrappers of sweet packets, this company needs to take a look at itself deeply and rethink how they treat youngters... id love to hear from past HYBE artists on how they were treated
Just girls......?
Than boys must be treated like royalty at HYBE, according to you.
When boy groups are treated unfairly, you people are all silent BUT as soon as a small discomfort happen to girl group you people are get mad.
Stop just......stop with this female victim mindset.
Boys are also treated unfairly and badly by the company.
But you women love to ignore when boy group are mistreated.
I only say good luck to Illit because the other girls didn't deserve HYBE and such bad administration and rigged line up, they all deserved better (including not debuting and having more training time), because HYBE setted them up for all the hate they are getting and anyone who saw RUnext feels betrayed by hybe. They literally had girls that were amazing singers, super beautiful, with star quality and most had good to amazing voices, and yet they went with the girls that didn't had all of those YET, except Yunah and Younseo, just to fit in on the 'cute Wonhee concept' and not overshadow Wonhee. I've never seen a worst reality show in kpop, and i watch Sixteen! (twice's project). Althought all shows are rigged, they have AT LEAST a final line up that MAKES SENSE, and AT LEAST one member that in MAIN vocal that can carry the group on it's back: ILLIT doesn't have even that! Youngseo saw that and abandoned that ship (she's still young unlike Yunah)
@@daveparry100 boy group are also just as treated badly and unfairly, but you people divided to ignore it completely.
Glad jeemin didn't got into illit the flops
Calling illit flop is so fun yk?
yeah this was the worst survival show i've ever seen also i knew it was rigged when that judge lee hyun was openly showing favoritism..i still feel sorry for illit though it's the company fault
Incredible how people call it rigged because those that placed lower than 10th didn't make it. Check the votes in Korea, check their attitudes towards assignments. Chanelle couldn't handle the pressure while being one of the oldest in the show? She won a part in Pride but was already crying about it and being ungrateful? That precisely showed the problematic person she is. You're calling 3Jeong and New Jeans "ungrateful", but Chanelle gets away with crying and rejecting the tasks she's been assigned to do? Western bias much or just envy towards the winners and full on support for the losers?
the ogs know abt the big6 like we chose the ultimate lineup and hybe straight up rigged the whole thing. and the way we thought the concept would be girl crush or smth relating to enha’s concept cause most of the performances were heavy on girl crush until they started switching up to cute last min like tht was so incredibly annoying since most of the contestants suited the girl crush concept better AND did way better performing in tht environment 😞 I lost all interest in the show the moment jiwoo, chanelle and jeemin esp got voted out
Girl crush is boring. Got so much of that. Glad they switched it up. I like how they did it too. Took the world by surprise.
Who care the bands is doing great
I miss yeongseo 😢
Youngseo was smart and clearly saw that the group was never going to be authentic and that she would be REPRESSED like Yunah did... But she is much younger than Yunah, so she just quit...Good for her. Only Yunah and Youngseo were well rounded enough to debut, and even them weren't on the top when it came to talent, it was Jiwoo - which was TOO OLD for Hybe's love of minors.
I can only say that i'm glad Jeemin debuted in Izna instead, but poor Jiwoo had her dreams CRUSHED ans gave up her dream of debuting, even thou she was THE BEST and most talented in the show, the judges praised the young and inexperienced girls even when they were 'meh' because of the FALSE argument of 'improvement', while TEARING DOWN Jeemin and Jiwoo whenever they were less than perfect.
The double standards were ridiculous. HYBE should have just debuted the group was clearly they wanted too, instead of HUMILIATING the best and most talented girls until they BROKE (jeemin, chanel, jiwoo in particular).
Youngseo deserved bettre and thankfully she herself knew that!
All survivor shows are rigged. You'll watch it, get hyped or disappointed at every episodes. But at the end of the day... The winners are decided right from the very start of the survival show. This why I don't watch this shows anymore after the last one I saw produce48
Even this channel is obsessed with illit now😂
Anyway they can never make me hate illit❤ gllits supporting illit at their worst time and the fact that this channel is bringing it up when it was 1 year ago and Chanelle jeemin happily make their debut girls r very supportive to each other debut especially illit toward their fellow trainee mate😂❤
I think the final line up was already determined before the show aired.
They keep making ILLIT controversy videos because ILLIT is massive and they know it will net them views. There was plenty of talent on RU Next but let’s face the truth.. ILLIT is perfect the way they are and it shows through their success. Best new female artist in 2024 and plenty more to come. P.S. Wonhee outshines your favorite idol with probably less than half the amount of training. She is phenomenal and keeps getting better.
ILLIT fighting ❤❤❤
It's absolutely disgusting of you to have edited Chanelle's face like that and to leave out that Jiwoo was in the top 3 for votes for almost the entire show.
Strange not to talk about number 1 Jeemin! There are suspicions in RUN, but the focus on Chanelle and New Jeans makes this video more suspicious!
I literally just can’t, I can’t support them. This group’s situation is just SO BAD that I literally can’t support them as a group anymore. (And it’s ironic bc as I got into ILLIT (and the K-pop fandom), I couldn’t understand people who said they couldnt support ILLIT because of the obvious rigging of the show. Now I understand.)
From the show drama and rigging, to the NEWJEANS drama and rigging….it just sucks. I love ILLIT. Have nothing against those girls but I can’t bring myself to support them anymore. BSH’s SELFISHNESS caused dreams to be crushed, the ILLIT members THEMSELVES to get bashed and embarrassed, and finally NewJeans to suffer and LEAVE THE COMPANY. That’s so fucking terrible. Childish behavior for A BIG 4 COMPANY. Wow.
I left the fandom as soon as Youngseo left, she was literally the only one that could have made the group somewhat ok 😭
there are only big 3 company and H company..
never big 4..
@@hallooos7585 If moka leaves, I’m going far away as she’s another one that makes (some) sense, she’s the 3rd best vocalist, 2nd best dancer, and best in stage presence
Edit: Youngseo already made me social distance slightly and I meant in the group, not the show
The show was clearly rigged. How can the most talented and versatile contestant not even make it to the final? Chanelle really deserved to debut. Also, Jiwoo-how could she not debut?
TDLR:
stan illit 😻
TBH the last survival show i believe is not rigged is the 1st produce 101 which debuting I.O.I..
after that, all of the survival show looks rigged obviously for me, like produce 101 season 2, which I think Baekho should come in line for Wanna one, and Produce 48 when Gaeun suddenly drop out of debut line..
and then many survival show comes from H all obvious rigged for me, the last is IZNA, which i believe Fuko should come in line to debut, but as many of you know, she did not make it..
pheeew, there are alots to be ranting about this survival show, but you know when someone ranting, the one who called themselves as "fans" starting to attack you and bla..bla..bla.. but once the show getting exposed of rigging those called "Fans" says "That is company and producer faults" or "the idol has no power, they just do what they told" such a cliche reason..
OMG same thought!!! I'm still not fond of Sohye. That spot could've gone to someone else.
kinda dumb if all of the member was rigged why even make a survival show? and also r u next is not even popular making it worse and the leaving of one member making it even worse but hybe still find a way 🗿
r u next was TRAUMA to me, i was so angry i threw my computer onto wall when Jeemin failed to debut in the final and Chanelle got eliminated in semi final
Jeemin and jiwoo not debuting was impossible... RUnext was so rigged that Chanel actually ASK to be eliminated. Yunah was the only one that realized the concept would be 'new jeans 2.0 minors' and that the judges were pushing Wonhee and cute concepts, so she dropped her girl crush vibe and proved the judges she could be cute as well.
I actually feel sorry for Yunah actually having debuted with ILLIT, they are making her hide her true charms in this facade of cute while being called 'old' by korean fans.
Youngseo clearly saw that the group was never going to be authentic and that she would be REPRESSED like Yunah did... But she is much younger than Yunah, so she just quit...Good for her. Only Yunah and Youngseo were well rounded enough to debut, and even them weren't on the top when it came to talent, it was Jiwoo - which was TOO OLD for Hybe's love of minors.
I can only say that i'm glad Jeemin debuted in Izna instead, but poor Jiwoo had her dreams CRUSHED ans gave up her dream of debuting, even thou she was THE BEST and most talented in the show, the judges praised the young and inexperienced girls even when they were 'meh' because of the FALSE argument of 'improvement', while TEARING DOWN Jeemin and Jiwoo whenever they were less than perfect. Moka was cute and i like her voice, but she was bland and had no star quality, then suddenly in the last episode, she was giving a central part in 'Feel Special' stage to make audience believe she was the one and had a reason to debut.
The double standards were ridiculous. HYBE should have just debuted the group was clearly they wanted too, instead of HUMILIATING the best and most talented girls until they BROKE (jeemin, chanel, jiwoo in particular).
Wonhee is literally the Hyewon of Izone but in ILLIT: pretty, but no facial expression, no charisma, barely dances, only gets the attention of the KOREAN public since they are maniac about 'purity' and 'soft flower' looks... But Hyewon was in a 12 member group, Illit only has 5, and Hyewon was not the CENTER and NOBODY would EVER expect somebody that is only 'the member who's greatest talent is being the visual' to be CENTER and FACE of the group and have a WHOLE CONCEPT made surrounding them!!!
I only say good luck to Illit because the other girls didn't deserve such bad administration and rigged line up, they all deserved better (including not debuting and having more training time), because HYBE setted them up for all the hate they are getting and anyone who saw RUnext feels betrayed by hybe. They literally had girls that were amazing singers, super beautiful, with star quality and most had good to amazing voices, and yet they went with the girls that didn't had all of those YET, except Yunah and Younseo, just to fit in on the 'cute Wonhee concept' and not overshadow Wonhee. I've never seen a worst reality show in kpop, and i watch Sixteen! (twice's project). Althought all shows are rigged, they have AT LEAST a final line up that MAKES SENSE, and AT LEAST one member that in MAIN vocal that can carry the group on it's back. ILLIT doesn't have even that!
Wait, you threw your computer onto wall in two different episodes? How did it survive the first time.
I just wanna say that there’s that one Fearless cover for this show and I was so confused for Wonhee because they showed voice cracks the first two times and then a perfect voice??
Wonhee has proven to be a very quick study. And she sings like an angel. Maybe 2nd best voice on illit. Listen to her on Baby it's Both. Her voice is iconic.
@ no i mean it was the same scene. I was very confused they out the same clip 3x in a row and the third time she sounded correct while the rest of the times she had a voice cracj
@@lenakolakusic1206 will have to go back and look.
I really can't love illit after what happened in that show. Everytime i see them , i remember jiwo and other girls(i dont remember their names)and just feel angry.they should have just debut them. This show made me think how many talented trainees were dropped because of favouritism and visuals. And how many idols who didnt really deserved the spot debuted. Crazy...
Hating HYBE is like a national holiday at this point.
Happy seasons greetings! 👍
Not even fair to say rigged. The 1st three were the top 3 vote getters. Company picked the last 3. Yunah and Iroha, which are obvious excellent picks. And then sweet Moka-chan... that was the genius pick. She fits the lineup perfectly. People are forgetting company has a vision they want to execute. They need the right blend of people.
Sometimes being pretty or talented aren't enough. There's something more that audience can't see without meeting then in person.
Idk it’s not a government entity it’s just a company and their show. If I was the producer of a show and I wanted to rig the votes to get the result I want I just would do it. It’s just a show for the people but for the company it’s their business and their investments
Imagine rigging a show and choosing wonhee and moka as members😭
They are both awesome. Wonhee won votes. Moka was a strong performer too. Company was genius pick Moka. She can dance, top notch visual and her unique vocal tone adds texture to illit signature sound. She help them get big in Japan too.
Moka was a good dancer and a great performer
@@hellokittiex she's like minju too. Both cute and sexy when they want to be.
@@TheMacdod yes
R U next was a joke, glad Chanelle end up in fifty fifty but still let’s be real survival shows are not the same.
Any updates on MADEIN?
Dude its been months LEAVE ILLIT ALONE
Yeah, them deciding the members just defeats the whole purpose of a survival show. Glad we got to see some actually talented idols though like Chanelle and Yewon, who we probably wouldn't have seen otherwise.
And now NewJeans is leaving HYBE, I mean I’m happy for them but to follow Min Heejin, I feel like they are completely manipulated in this situation
the only thing they are all manipulated by is arrogant greed.
stop with the "manipulated" thing, don't make your own vision of something you don't know, no one of us was in the inside of all the conversations and everything, so let's stop making assumptions and just support how we want, court will say everything at the end.
Why are you bringing this up in this video? What does it have to do with ru next rigging?
@@twojogoreczek1966 If you think they weren't manipulated by Min Hee-Jin then im afraid you are too blind to see reality, they quite literally are sabotaging their own careers just because they feel like they are nothing without her. Yes courts will expose everything but its quite clear that the new jeans members are manipulated, why else would they be very loyal to MHJ
They feel protected with her, can you blame them? She’s been with them for like 5 years and have sheltered them from those weirdos in hybe, also I saw somewhere on twitter that literally everyone she’s worked with is supporting her so what exactly is the issue with that woman? And I need legit answers not hybe said….
wasn't this issue supposed to be like a year ago? help me
For my opinion, everything’s happened during the show and this years against ILLIT, is not the girls fault. They goes viral with Magnetic, they began to create and make they own path and signature group ( Hands chorégraphy, soft, magical concept ). It’s since EXID that i do not fall in love and hapiness with one groupe. So please lets support them, and stop the drama with NJ or whatever. They also win the Rookie years girl group.. they cry a lot, they deserved it. Let support ILLIT! Moka, she was my favorite since thé début!
Don't force anyone just to support your fav group
#respectmyopinion
They obviously picked the right girls. They slayed at MAMA.
if you are going to vocalize that you want to be eliminated ... ur wish will be granted. does anyone think that any management company will let the audience pick it's groups members when lots of $$$ are on the line. C'mon now.
The debut of Illit is more like: we already have a success group data why not use them? Just change a little bit here and there, not to make it the same but lets just say the girls we have look cuter and make it not like NJ but can adjust accordingly.
Since my starting point of watching survival shows the only survival show that didn't irritate me is the ongoing one scool like from iland iland2 makemate universal ticket starlightboys project 7 Produce 101 and more and mainly R u next just pissed the hell out of me
produce 101 was rigged, but at least the final line up made sense and the girls had success instead of hate. RUnext pissed me off more than Girls planet 999 and Sixteen (twice's debut survival show)
@selenevandernix9353 I never watched sixteen so I don't have a clue about that and yeah that's why I even said mainly R u next what I never honestly get is why every single survival show always ends up not debuting the most talented or rather the most deserving trainees like kpop is so biased over looks like in every line up there is always problems within it
@@Ellakimmy-i9sPersonality also plays a big role for contestants to debut like Hyewon and Kotoko
My main pick was Jiwoo, I absolutely loved her voice, her visuals, her personality and her dance is great too. But honestly, by the end of the show, I gave up on the hope that she would debut coz it was clear she was 'too old' for the company. They totally screwed her over in the semifinals with that cap in Scrum (you can't even see her face sometimes) and the camerawork in Feel special, she was the main vocalist. Still, whenever her part came on, it switched to another trainee or panned out to the goddamn stage. Also the hairstyle and top for Feel special was so ugly, the tight ponytail made her hairline look terrible, the top was so shapeless and full of sequins it looks like something your mother's grandma would have worn to a disco party. But I thought that AT LEAST JEEMIN (I was unsure about Yunah) was for sure going to make it in. She's charismatic, a really good dancer, and a powerful performer who can also carry softer concepts (eg Eleven). SO when she didn't make it in, I was blown. Like I had to sit there and process. Like how??? She was well-loved, maybe not like Youngseo, but Koreans still liked her and she was 'young' enough. Anyway, it's been clear that it's clearly rigged, almost every show is. The only bad thing about ILLIT being rigged is making Wonhee the center and playing on her cute and childish visual to create a baby concept and styling for the ENTIRE group. Like Yunah stands out with their styling because they insist on dressing her the same level of childish that they dress everyone else when she is so much taller and her face doesn't have the baby fat for her to look enough like a child. In fact, on multiple occasions, some of the members have had less childish outfits so they could've just switched and it's not a budget issue (yeah right) They're TEENAGERS, DRESS THEM LIKE IT (yes ik 3 of them are 20 but u get my point)
It feels so good to rant
BUT BUTTTTT
IT'S IN THE GODAMN PAST LET IT STAY THAT WAY
ILLit is improving (with the exception of their fandom name), they're blending more, being more cohesive as a group (appearance wise), their comeback is actually quite good and not just a tiktok song. The contestants that had a chance at debut have all found new careers, debuted in other groups. Chanelle and Yewon in Fifi, Jeemin in izna, Jihyun in 4IREN under uniquetunes (predebut), Himena in the jpop group MYERA. Jiwoo and Jeongeun are rumoured to be prusing acting, but basically they're still chasing their dreams. Moa is a model and seems to be very happy. Almost all the girls I've mentioned are semifinalists or finalists, and as for the rest, they're all the maknaes and still have chances. I do hope to hear more from Youngseo, she would be such a loss.
Moral of the story? Just let it go, try enjoy what we have, even if you don't like ILLIT, izna and fifty fifty exists and they're good, so stop stirring up old drama and let's celebrate the 2nd anniversary of the end of runext next year
I like how illit balances out height wise. Yunah is 5' 6" and Iroha is 5' 2" and then all 3 other girls are the same at 5' 4". Good looking balanced lineup.
@@TheMacdod yeah that's true, but like individually idk man
Illit❤
Actually, like the whole show is rigged from the beginning, like, idk in which way people will take it, but still like how did wonhee win the 1st place like I m not hating on her but still there were many talented contestants than her and plus about the channel thing I think it's not because of how she reacted or about her attitude I think it's because she doesn't fit the concept that they wanted and that's it Like people were exaggerating like oh she can't handle thing or she is not matured enough for this responsibility and she doesn't deserve to debut and stuff like that. like it's survival show after all like their will be mental effect and pressure afterall she was just teenager and she will have her own worries cause that's her future, like it can't be indicated as maturity or anything like even she didn't say anything bad to wonhee she said I can't do it and if she can't than what ? Like I am not saying it's wonhee fault, but at the same time, it's not channel fault, and let's not forget when every contestant was singing live and wonhee was lip syncing
if they really wanted to rig chanelle out of a spot wouldnt they have rigged yeongseo out as well, himena or Jeongeun would have fit illits concept really well or even jeemin from izna would have worked. You could say they just kicked her out after the fact but i do believe yeongseo chose to leave herself due to the concept. I guess we'll never know though everything is just speculation in this industry.
hybe wants Wonhee to be the next Wonyoung, guess what, you can cosplay wonyoung if you xant sing
chantellia's fans should blame youngseo, she was the one who made chanelle change her group in the color color challenge
I mean I’m happy with yunah and minju and yeongseo, iroha is talented as well but it would be better if she debuted older and improved a bit on her vocals and moka could’ve improved her vocals as well and for wonhee… 1 month is not enough training. She lacks in dancing and sp, she’s good at vocals and could’ve debuted older as well
0:04 youngseo stands out sm here..
Fr Hybe prob let her go cause she overshadowed Wonhee and wanted Wonhee to be center, Hybe is so dumb for letting go of a potential it girl, but instead they try to make Wonhee a Wonyoung 2.0 but without the star quality 😢💔
Most girls groups from Hybe came from survival shows. They try to boost the popularity of the members first before practically training them. Hybe doesn't train them, they make them popular first so that they have fans before debuting. Less money training. Short training time. Debute early. Early return of investment. More money for Hybe.
7:15 it says that the members had been decided from july?!?! And the show ended in september... So probably it is rigged?..
Kookliet you earned my respect
Ohh UA-camr move on
Haters and fans move on stop mention this thing its was already 1 and a month pass
I never hated a group before thwn illit came 😌
Now what's the point in diging bcz final lineup is set now and girls r doing better just support them and don't hate them its not their fault not only hybe other companies also riged shows so it's nothing new
The group could’ve done better with Rubymoon as Enhypens real sister 😒
Nah.
just leave these girls alone holy shit, how difficult is it to stop enticing harassment and bullying against 5 young girls
If the following factors did/didn't happen,every problem that's happening under HYBE would have been avoided:
•If HYBE ent. actually formed the best lineup out of ru next (youngseo,jiwoo,chanelle,minju,
yunah,jeemin),ILLIT would have not been getting the hate they are now
•NewJeans disbandment (?) could have not been happening
•Youngseo would have not left ILLIT
•If RU Next and ILLIT's current concept was not centered around Wonhee,Moka could have never gotten all that massive hate
•If RU Next/HYBE used the criteria like other survival shows (company chooses 1 member,the rest by votes),ILLIT would have been gotten THAT MUCH hate as compared to now
•If the judges were not xenophobic,Chanelle could have debuted in ILLIT
MAIN POINT:HYBE ENTERTAINMENT's downfall honestly started when RU Next ended,and if they never decided to air it in the first place,HYBE would have not been problematic like now,and concludes my factors...
oh please shut your mouth with the "centered around wonhee" ofc its a chanelle stan
You are right! Another point : the final line up should have had more spots and HYBE should have let go of the 'cute and minors concept: most girls there didn't fit that... Jeemin and jiwoo not debuting was impossible... RUnext was so rigged that Chanel actually ASK to be eliminated. Yunah was the only one that realized the concept would be 'new jeans 2.0 minors' and that the judges were pushing Wonhee and cute concepts, so she dropped her girl crush vibe and proved the judges she could be cute as well.
I actually feel sorry for Yunah actually having debuted with ILLIT, they are making her hide her true charms in this facade of cute while being called 'old' by korean fans.
Youngseo clearly saw that the group was never going to be authentic and that she would be REPRESSED like Yunah did... But she is much younger than Yunah, so she just quit...Good for her. Only Yunah and Youngseo were well rounded enough to debut, and even them weren't on the top when it came to talent, it was Jiwoo - which was TOO OLD for Hybe's love of minors.
I can only say that i'm glad Jeemin debuted in Izna instead, but poor Jiwoo had her dreams CRUSHED ans gave up her dream of debuting, even thou she was THE BEST and most talented in the show, the judges praised the young and inexperienced girls even when they were 'meh' because of the FALSE argument of 'improvement', while TEARING DOWN Jeemin and Jiwoo whenever they were less than perfect. Moka was cute and i like her voice, but she was bland and had no star quality, then suddenly in the last episode, she was giving a central part in 'Feel Special' stage to make audience believe she was the one and had a reason to debut.
The double standards were ridiculous. HYBE should have just debuted the group was clearly they wanted too, instead of HUMILIATING the best and most talented girls until they BROKE (jeemin, chanel, jiwoo in particular).
Wonhee is literally the Hyewon of Izone but in ILLIT: pretty, but no facial expression, no charisma, barely dances, only gets the attention of the KOREAN public since they are maniac about 'purity' and 'soft flower' looks... But Hyewon was in a 12 member group, Illit only has 5, and Hyewon was not the CENTER and NOBODY would EVER expect somebody that is only 'the member who's greatest talent is being the visual' to be CENTER and FACE of the group and have a WHOLE CONCEPT made surrounding them!!!
I only say good luck to Illit because the other girls didn't deserve such bad administration and rigged line up, they ALL deserved better (including not debuting and having more training time), because HYBE setted them up for all the hate they are getting and anyone who saw RUnext feels BETRAYED by hybe. They literally had girls that were amazing singers, super beautiful, with star quality and most had good to amazing voices, and yet they went with the girls that didn't had all of those YET, except Yunah and Younseo, just to fit in on the 'cute Wonhee concept' and not overshadow Wonhee. I've never seen a worst reality show in kpop, and i watch Sixteen! (twice's project). Althought all shows are rigged, they have AT LEAST a final line up that MAKES SENSE, and AT LEAST one member that in MAIN vocal that can carry the group on it's back. ILLIT doesn't have even that!
@@selenevandernix9353 yunah loves illit's current concept, so yall need to stop pushing the image that she hates it, and STOP blaming wonhee.
@selenevandernix9353 omg this deserves to be pinned. I totally agree with all your points!! Glad i found someone very sensible
@@selenevandernix9353Fr heart broken that all of my fave’s technically didn’t debut like Jiwoo and then Youngseo had to leave… The groups a joke 😭
This account is definitely a illit hater. I’m surprised you’re not on the 7 list when hybe is suing UA-camr
I had so many favorites in the ru next to me they where stacked as heck many talents but i feel like its rigged…
Yall it isnt rigged cuz in r u next minju, yunah and youngseo were given A WHOLE DIFFERENT concept than illit
womp womp i still love illit
Chanelle spiralled so much at that point, something else must have added to the stress and it was right for her to snap at wonhee cuz it's only a human response.....and the show just took the opportunity
Still think they all ended where they are supposed to be and the others that we haven't seen yet will also be where they are supposed to be.❤
Koreans
Visual > Talent
Moka and Yeong Seo aren’t pretty at all. Yeong Seo was even kicked out by Min Hee Jin when she was supposed to debut with NewJeans because of her looks. Good luck proving your claim logically LOL
@WordsMatter-t6u truth hurts bro
@@tokongmamaril3653 I am saying that if “Korea” chose them just by looking at the faces, Moka and YeongSeo would never have made it there. Plus, there are a lot of ugly actresses being successful and popular in Korea. According to your comment, they should never be on TV. Plus, if you wanna talk about talents, Iroha made a lot of errors than any other girls in the competition, but she gets a free pass because both Koreans and none Koreans like her looks. Won Hee never did anything wrong. She worked hard and made a fast improvement. The haters only judge her by her age and cute face and never stop attacking her. The way that haters are attacking Ill’it is ridiculous and illogical. You are all annoying and waste of time.
@@tokongmamaril3653 I am saying that if your comment is true, Moka wouldn’t even be in Illit. Plus, Iroha made performance errors more than anyone during the show. But, just because none Korean fans LOVE her so much, she got a free pass. Plus, Korea has a lot of successful ugly actresses too. Why are they on TV if only pretty ones get to be selected? And Ill’it girls are highly talented, so they were not debuted just because of their pretty faces.
OK BUT WHY DID U EDIT CHANELLE FACE LIKE THAT HELPP
You guys are one of the biggest channel that helps feed the illit hate train. I have never seen a positive video where you talk good about the Girls, is the only way you can get views?
1- Leave Illit and Newjeans alone!!(Stop hating them, let’s keep supporting them)
2- I’m glad Chanelle debuted with fiftyfifty
3- I’m glad the Jeemin debuted with Izna
4- I’m sad about Youngseo, I hope she’s doing okay 🫶🏻
5- And lastly these survival shows needs to stop. Please🙏
debuting without a singing ability is enough to call that the survival show is rigged.,
I UNDERSTAND THAT ILLIT GIRLS HAVE NO FAULT IN THIS, BUT THE COMPANY DOES, AND IF WE BOYCOTT ILLIT THEY'LL UNDERSTAND THEY SHOULD NOT MESS WITH GROUPS LIKE THAT CUZ IT'LL BACKLASH. THEY SHOULDNT MESS UP WITH NEWJEANS
Butthurt bunny wants a boycott 🐰💔😭
Whos under 10 mins?
Kookielit is definitely being handled by someone who supports MH and may be getting paid by the PR team.
Yeah you are right 😂
You are pr from hybe for sure 🥴
its been over a year why are you guys still talking about different lineups.. illits lineup is perfect whenever or not you wanna accept it
It's funny right? Obviously they picked the right lineup but haters are going through everything with a magnifying glass. 😂
Did you watch the video? They say they are bringing up because the public is complaining about the inaccuracies in BLL statements. It has nothing to do with the group members.
@LexandraLoaiza yes. Did you watch the vid all the way to the end? Company answered all complaints but people continue to refuse to change their minds. The end.
@@TheMacdod I did and again, it has nothing to do with hating the girls but rather questioning the incongruences in BLL statements.