The Expanse 2x2 REACTION!! "Doors & Corners"
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Eric Rick Calvin and Aaron react to and discuss season 2 episode 2 of The Expanse - Doors and Corners - #TheExpanse
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I don’t have the money for that but damn y’all are moving way to slow through this show in comparison to your other shows, this is the best of everything you’re watching right now and I want y’all to hurry up lol
I realize I am quite off topic but do anybody know a good website to stream new movies online ?
@Harlan Rohan Meh I watch on flixportal. You can find it by googling:D -melvin
@Melvin Erik Thanks, signed up and it seems like a nice service :D I really appreciate it!!
@Harlan Rohan happy to help xD
I keep warning you. Doors and corners, kid. That's where they get you.
I told him, don't go in there with your junk all hanging out. The room will eat you alive.
The room will eat ya
You come in too fast....
We gotta talk about that ride kid
Next clue to the case
@@Drummer4President The room eats you.
I'm so glad this ep finally dropped on Blind Wave. The Rocinante kicking the crap out of the stealth ship... Oh man...one of my favourite scenes of all science fiction....
Best episode of the season...till ep4 & 5 & then 11 & 12 & 13.
the battle of Thoth Station is a very well done space battle when you consider its 2 ships and a staton
Here's Drummer! 😊
I've been waiting for her! Drummer is one of the best and anyone that doesn't love Drummer has a broken brain.
Was so happy that she is finally here. The guys will really like her going on.
When he said "I like her", I was thinking, just wait.
Everyone's favorite belter (if you say otherwise, she might space you)
One of the fiercest belters out there! A true patriot with a heart.
The space battle in this episode is genuinely one of the best in tv and film
Till season 5 :-)
@@Matisaro Oh boy yes, episode 10 might be the best in anything i've ever seen
Doors and corners, kid. Doors and corners.
Go into a room too fast, kid... the room eats you.
@@minusxero it actually got goose buds from that , cant wait to see the reaction
@@Dragonbornabc123 Hopefuly the opening sequence won't spoil that for them.
@@Dragonbornabc123 Same, that scene gets me every time. The camera work as he appears in the airlock is amazing
Don't go in too fast, or the room will eat ya
Deimos is still a pretty big escalation psychologically. Deimos is just a small-to-moderately sized asteroid physically, but it's one of Mars' only two moons. It's ON THE MARTIAN FLAG. It's just a lightly-staffed rock, but it's a lightly staffed rock that's part of their national identity. It's a bit like if you blew up Liberty Island or something. Its sentimental value is far greater than its physical value.
Nice analogy
I've been looking for a good analogy like that.
@Darkstar Well yeah but that's not as comparable. Luna is huge, it's the ninth largest terrestrial object in the solar system (counting all rocky planets and moons). It's bigger than Pluto.
Deimos appears as not much more than a dot in the Martian sky, even though it orbits far closer to Mars than Luna does to Earth. It's not omnipresent and you can only see it for a tiny portion of the night as it passes overhead (its orbital period is 30 hours so it passes overhead once per night).
But Mars has no large moons, so Phobos and Deimos are it and thus have a lot more sentimental value than they would if they orbited Earth.
So yeah it's like Liberty Island to the US. Not a huge loss strategically, but important to the national identity. Blowing up Luna would affect the UN more like how blowing up Texas or California would affect the US. It would be both a huge psychological and physical blow.
That said, Deimos is only not very important thanks to fusion drives (and particularly the Epstein drive). In real life if we colonize Mars, Phobos and Deimos will be VERY important as sources of raw material to build Martian orbital infrastructure without having to haul it from somewhere else.
If Earth had a Deimos it would be ridiculously useful, but we don't as Luna pretty much prevents Earth from capturing objects into orbit (Earth captures guest moons fairly frequently actually, but then Luna kicks them back out of orbit). On the other hand that protects us, otherwise we'd be capturing way more objects that would slowly decay and cause catastrophic impacts, preventing the evolution of large animals (including us). Phobos is gonna crash into Mars at some point in the next 50-100 million years and it will be a bad day then.
The reason Venus has no moons is that it never got a big moon like Earth, and anytime it captures a moon it eventually crashes into Venus. It ate all the asteroids that were around to capture.
@@NozomuYume i think its the 14th biggest object (if you look at the radius) and the on the 11 place if you look at the gravity
@@kevinjustin7646 I said "terrestrial". i.e. rocky. I wasn't counting the giant planets or the sun, which are in classes of their own.
Fred Smith, the CEO of FedEx, is on the board of the directors of the production company that makes The Expanse.
Ok, Never knew that!
For anyone still confused, to explain the questions regarding the acceleration when docking with Tycho station:
The show can in essence be interpreted as being correct, but at least the graphical representation is a bit off and does not entirely match how it would probably look like.
The gravity inside Tycho station is due to the rotation of the ring which is to say there is a constant inward force that results in a circular motion. This causes everyone inside to feel an outward force so that they can walk along the floor that makes up the outside of the spinning circle of the station.
If the Roci were to fly in that same spinning motion before docking, you guys are right and the people inside the Roci would experience the same 'gravity' as the people on the Tycho station and the attaching of the docking clamps would make no difference. However, the Roci can only accelerate forward with the main engine and rotate about its own axis using the thrusters. Going in a big circle like that would require a lot of maneuvering and turning, so that is probably not the docking procedure. More likely the Roci is going in a straight line: imagine a big circle with a tangential line and the point of contact is where the docking happens. So the Roci is flying in a straight line without accelerating having matched course and speed to pass the station at the correct point with the correct speed. Now, when the docking clamps attach this imparts a new force onto the Roci forcing it onto the great circle and only at that moment do the people inside the Roci feel the 'gravity' of the spin. The thruster uses are just minor adjustments to get within the range of the clamps causing only minor accelerations.
As I said above, the graphical representation is not quite there but that is the idea behind it.
Yes, the ship goes more or less going on its own inertia (almost no gravity on board) until it's grabbed and connected to the station's ring (spin gravity)
But yeah, the transition would be less rough in real life
That was my biggest gripe with the Behemoth at the end of season 3. The set is designed so the "floor" in the control room is the one from which direction the thrust comes. But once they lose the main drive power, and activate spin gravity, the floor shouldn't be the same. They would be pressed to one of the walls of the control room instead. I don't know if this was somehow explained or corrected in the books, but I see that they only had that one set, so they would use it. But it just striked me as illogical.
@@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 No, because the bridge does not be a part of the rotating drum. So, when the ship does not benefit af the thrust gravity, the bridge is in 0G (mag boots mandatory) whether the drum is spinning or not
@@szeltovivarsydroxan9944 i was under the impression that the control room wasnt located in the drum but in a separate compartment which means that the control room wouldnt be under "gravity" unless under thrust though i may be wrong
the control room wouldn't spin.
It makes sense, they need a part to live in before and after the coasting
“TENYE WA CHESH GUT”
*badass Belter has entered the chat*
Drummer has entered the game :)
Beltalowda!
Drummer! Pay attention to Fred's right hand, she's frickin' awesome.
Camina Drummer, true beltalowda bosmang.
@@peterbrazukas7771 Bad ass boss now....camina later!
Capitain now, Camina later
nguyen is in fact pronounced "win" also this show doesn't let up, buckle up.
Isn't the N also pronounced at the beginning? I had someone with that name in my class, so that's how I know it.
@@dermathze700 well, I have a good friend that's Vietnamese and has that last name and doesn't pronounce the N *shrugs*
@@testpattern23 I guess it's like they say in the discussion, some pronounce the N and some don't.
@@dermathze700 I have a Vietnamese colleague who says “Win” and Google says “Win”
@@Vaultboy-ke2jj Well I looked it up, according to Wikipedia it's pronounced like the "ng" in "singer", so I guess it's just unusual for English speakers to pronounce it.
It makes me giddy to see them that excited. :D
Totally worth rewatching the show with full length.
Not just vengeance, he was making too much sense. And people were buying it.
Exactly and he knew that everybody would want the proto molecule.
@@maironetelehtaneloimori7239 And neither Earth nor Mars had any problem with Belters continuing to be the guinea pigs.
Well yeah, as Miller himself explains in the next episode. Unlike us, these guys haven't seen that yet though.
@@anonymes2884 They have, they are 4 weeks ahead of the youtube schedule at all times, they come out on patreon first.
@@ProvidenceNL They hadn't when they made the comments in this video is my point. I.e. the OP is responding to (kind of "correcting" in fact) something Blind Wave says _at this stage in their viewing_ by merely reiterating Miller's explicitly stated justification from the next episode (in other words the comment contains exactly the same information content as "I've seen the next episode and you haven't" - probably entirely unwittingly BTW, i'm sure the OP just doesn't realise).
I remember being so upset at Miller this episode but I understood (at least I thought I understood)
He shoots him because Fred and Holden are being won over by his idea that the ends justify the means and he cannot abide that. It's not so much revenge as a hardcore reminder not to justify being an evil fuck.
@@rabid_si *SPOILER* if i recall correct way he put it "didnt kill him cause he made no sense ... killed him cause he was starting to make sense "
@@galadballcrusher8182 but if it makes sense, why kill him, other than a selfish reason? Sorry if I’m being ignorant lol
@@comfortablepeasant8359 because he knew that people would end up siding with him and view the horrible things that had been done as necessary evils, and possibly even do it again.
Nguyễn is a Vietnamese surname and us whiteys pronounce it as Win. The admiral that steps down is Souther.
"us whiteys" lol
Expanse has some of the best space scenes of any show
The best space battles...hands down
The only criticism i can give is how spread out they are. Other than that, perfect.
@@StopReadingMyNameOrElse scarcity increases value...
@@nottopcat5956 Never said it was a bad thing, just the only criticism i can think of for them.
Much better space action than Frasier!
Oh man, I cant wait to get to the masterpiece that is 205.
202-205 is some of the best TV around, And then Season 3 manages to be even better.
Well it’s too late now. The expanse has got you. Welcome aboard beratnas!
7:03 Calvin: "I like her!" So does just about everyone else who watches this show!
anyone else here after watching seaon 5 to giggle about just how far this show has come and how many twists and turns these guys are gonna experience over the next 44 weeks? :) How do you think they would respond/react if they were told where the story, the solar system and the characters stand at the end of season 5?
How would you? (obviously no spoilers, show or books)
This was the first episode where I feel they have finally started to pay attention to how fucking awesome this show is. Less joking and talking over everything. Bodes well for the rest of the season and show.
Re: docking with Tycho station, the showrunners said that yeah, Miller should already have been on the deck since they had to match rotation to get clamped, but they fudged it for a good TV moment.
This space battle still gives me the chills. Wirh the lighting and the music. Ive seen this show at least 4 times. And still, goosebumps
Rooting for Diogo... 👀
such a litle ashole. bookspoiler: the charecter that filled his role in the Books killed Bull, and I loved bull and thought, that he would survive, because drummer filled his role in book 3 and she survied
Nobody has any glimmering of what the protomolecule was designed to do in the first place, and yet here is Dresden making the assumption that he can "repurpose" it to do what he wants. Dresden really doesn't care about what it is doing just that it is doing it.
is everyone but eric out of sync?
yes
The Expanse has the best depiction of space-battles on television (or in the movies) to date. We were also treated to the dangers involved in doing combat repairs in the middle of an ongoing battle.
Every villain is a hero in their own story. Everyone in this show thinks they are doing the right thing, from their own perspective.
Because there is no "the right thing". Morality is not about _accuracy._ Humans are just _dumb dumb dumb._
While watching this episode I agreed with Miller. That power should and knowledge should not be in anybodies hands. I also do not trust Fred.
"I like her!"
Meet Camina Drummer... 😁
@13:45 Good and bad, don't get distracted by that. It will just confuse you. Good men do bad things, like Fred Johnson. And bad men do things believing it's for the good of all mankind.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions after all.
I always wondered if anyone caught the fact that the proto-molecule was sent to our solar system over a billion years ago and.... who was on earth at that particular time? Did an advanced civilization look at our solar system and say, "Hmmm... we need that sludge on that little green and blue world because in a billion years they'll be amazing" :)
Oh, and Nguyen my be Vietnamese. I went to college with a guy who had that name and he pronounced it Wee-en.
Yeah I believe so. I work with a women whose last name is Nguyen her family is from Vietnam
I'm with Miller. The problem is the "bad guys" are assuming the proto molecule is a weapon.
But they didnt know. He already had done the experiment, might as well let him finish so they can find out if the protomolecule was good or bad.
If nothing else, and there is of course - his character and performance in this show is fantastic, but Chad Coleman’s (Fred Johnson) voice is Hall of Fame worthy.
I thought you guys figured out how to pronounce Nguyen already, or maybe that was a different reaction series that was filmed after this...
The space sequences are always incredibly awesome!
I read somewhere that Miller killing that guy at the end was actually how their tabletop game went. The guy playing Miller knew he was gonna figure out a way to negotiate and was having none of that shit, he had to die. Really nice way to add real human reaction to that situation, Holden and Frank are going to let this guy live, negotiate, and continue his work. Miller, fuck no.
You guys haven't seen anything yet! This ride is just getting started!! You're fixing to find out why you should have started reacting to this show sooner!!
Way better than "sheilds at 20% we can't take another hit" sillyness.
That was a production trick. The ship models are to expensive to causally damage in battle scenes. So I’m fine with older shows doing it.
But with Cg now we will probably see more battles like this. Even with shields you can steel have damage occur on the ship.
Spacedock has a video on this issue actually.
When PDCs are at 20% ammo capacity, then in a very real way, their Shields are at 20%.
Easy to say something is "better" when it was made in the age of cgi, and has why less episodes and a higher budget per episode.
Once they get to S02E05 they will realize that they are watching the best sci-fi ever put on screen. And it only gets better.
Hopefully someone tells them that S02E04 and S02E05 are meant to be watched together.
I mean, 4 and 5 were released a week apart originally, so it doesn't HAVE to be. Tho I agree its a hell of a watch together.
They are definitely best appreciated back to back. And oh yes, The Expanse is definitely making its case as the best sci-fi to ever grace television!
They already watched like 4 or 5 eps in advance IIRC though
@@sgecko7 yeah but this is a 3 week old comment you're looking at.
Either way it's a bit of a stretch to say they're "meant to be watched together." A lot of fans like the experience of watching them together, but the episodes were released weekly and there has never been any indication that there 2 eps were intended to be back-to-back.
You think that was amazing, you ain't seen nothing yet Eric.
Zero-Spoiler Trivia: The actor who plays Fred Johnson is a semi-regular on The Orville.
His character, Klyden, is married to one of the main characters on the ship. Very good actor, particularly because he is almost unrecognizable under a ton of prosthetics, but he sells it flawlessly!! ;-]
What!? He IS unrecognizable because I watch the Orville all the time and the Moclans are my favorite plotline aliens!
Bobbie and now Camina, my two favourite characters (other than Chrisjen) are finally revealed!
FedEx can still be Federal Express. The planetary government seems to be a federal style government.
guys also remember the orientation of the ship decks is on the vertical like a building flying sideways rather than the horizontal like star trek.
Drummer is friggin epically good! Can’t wait for you to get thru s2 and s3. Glad you seem to really be enjoying this
One a week isn't enough, I'm hoping you'll become addicted and realise that yourselves :P
Its a company, they have schedule, and need to make money, just go to their patreon if you really want more.
Looking at how trigger happy the belters were, no need to check doors and corners, he knew where the threat was, behind him, as for the station the security guys were only equipped to deal with the occational academic on the rampage, so rubber bullet equivalent only.
Guys, Gunny is not her name xD ever heard of Gunnery Sergeant, in short, Gunny?
I was never in the military, hell, I'm not even American, and I heard it dozens of times in movies and TV shows.
"Heartbreak Ridge," for instance.
Nope, not abandoned - this is Thoth station, private.
I love that Eric new what Miller was going to do before he did it!
I know this looks amazing, but this is nothing compared to what comes, visually speaking and in general in the show.
It's a very popular Vietnamese surname. Nguyen is just pronounced "Win." I've had multiple coworkers with that name.
God, I love the Battle of Thoth Station. Up there with the best and almost certainly the most realistic space battles in fiction.
And I would say Miller killed Dresden absolutely for vengeance. The intentional Protomolecule infection of innocent citizens on Eros was basically a Belter genocide and he couldn't let that slide after regaining his sense of purpose and identity as a Belter via the investigation into the Julie case and falling for what she represented ... and regardless of whether Dr. Dresden made good arguments or not, he had to be killed for the mass murder he was a part of from Miller's point of view.
And I can't wait for them to truly begin to appreciate Amos as best crew member! Still seems like they prefer Holden, Naomi, and Alex to Amos so far. But it seems like he's finally starting to grow on them...
but I think Miller also realized that Dresden would get protection, and potentially get leverage and power to influence entire governments again. I mean (SPOILER: this is what happens with Cortizar )
Actually Miller killed that guy because he was making sense not out of vengeance.
Partly for revenge, partly for preventing further atrocities...
Dresden made clear he wanted to continue human experimentation. Miller knew Belters would continue to be the guinea pigs.
@@captaincoolbreeze9429 People rarely make big decisions for singular reasons. We are, for better or worse, complex beings.
Not a vengeance kill. He was the only sane person in the room.
Come on, let them experience it themselves.
@@gpaje lol don't worry. They don't read comments themselves and the episode 2x06 is already available for patrons.
@@normalmighty Lol, I forgot they already watched it, by the time this airs on patreon, well it was honestly more to acknowledge the reference to that cool line.
Yeah and people find that out in the next episode. You don’t get points for beating people to viewing it for themselves
@@wordshock Since no-one mentioned points, your response is a silly non-sequitur.
The one that stepped down was "Admiral Souther."
Nguyen - pronounced "win"
Miller pissed me off in the ending
Re docking, imagine a wheel spinning and a ship flying in a straight line which touches the rim of the wheel only at one point. (Like a line on top of a circle) the ship would be moving laterally with no thrust and thus no gravity inside at the right speed and the docking clamp rolls up to meet it at the apex as it passes the radius line, then clamp and now the station/wheel is applying a curve to the ship. (like a sling in reverse).
Docking tadaaa
wouldn't you need to match the curve of the station to dock?
@@sierra1513 if the ring was large enough the edge would be flat enough. You could even do it on smaller sized rings if you designed your docking clamp to be able to move slightly (think like how a ferris wheel cart swings but powered and in reverse).
They weren't matching the spin, they were the equivalent of a kid jumping onto a merry go round.
Pay attention to Drummer, Fred's right hand. She is one of the best characters in this show by far.
That cut at the end was fucking hilarious.
In the Expanse the stations spin and create gravity on the side of the station. The thin part that faces space. That is the floor from the perspective of the people in the station. So the docking ports are at the "bottom" of the station. From a ship, you will have to climb up a ladder or something to get to the "floor". So when Fred spaced the OPA guy the airlock that Fred opened would face "side ways" in space. The true 'down' force would be the same as the floor of the station. So the OPA guy steps out in space and the station just spins right past him which makes it look like "he" was falling down, when its the station that went by and the OPA guy would just float close by only propelled by the small amount of air in the airlock. Actually his body wouldnt even go very far and would just float close by.
What happened on Eros would have happened on earth had Phoebe reached it's destination. It would have been the end of the ecosphere as we know it. And it would have happened at a time when there were only single cell organisms yet.
There is definitely a trope here: whenever a guy with a gun walks off screen, watch out!!
God I wish I could have this level of hype lmao they seem so happy! Great reaction, guys!
The docking is a bit odd. It makes more sense to dock at the center of rotation and then be moved outward. Cause I don't know how to match velocity on a rotating object. But @3:55, the guy goes out an airlock, and he drops like falling off a building is exactly accurate. Although the position of the airlock door is a bit weird. Like it is on the edge of a spinning wheel.
These guys are so on point with some of the speculation. Really good contents lads keep it up!!
Definitely a great ending.
That woman who explained how that wall will explode and become a door, yeah, you will like her I think.
Amazing actress. If youve never seen the actrice outside of the series, check out an interview or something, Cara Gee is so completely totally opposite of Drummer its unreal
Ughhhh can't wait till S3 and 4 where most of your questions of the protomolecule are answered. 😁
Eric, to answer your questions... yes, we will know more. About everything. :-)
You guys are really getting into this and your predictions are mostly on point!
Can't wait to see more, you can't stop the work!
2k views in less an a minute. You guys are crazy.
People with Patreon get early access. Those people count toward the view count.
@@havok6280 actually tempted to join their patreon now because we all know that this is where it gets really good
The good of Humanity, is it really for the good of Humanity to lose its Humanity.
Depends on what part, I suppose.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps The Humane part.
@@thomasmain5986 I thought that would be something to keep. 😊
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps me to.
Nguyen is how you spell Win... go figure.
There is no denying the realism that dictates human activity in space 200 years from now on display in The Expanse. The casting and acting are good, also. The dialog is nice. These people sound like when I get together with my friends. But my favorite character in the entire show has nothing to do with real science or real portrayals of human beings and how they interact. It is the protomolecule. Whenever it is onstage, or even simply the subject of a dialog, it upstages everything else, and the camera loves it.
I've been writing a scifi book for many years now and after watching the Expanse I am _rewriting_ my Phlebotinum to be less like the protomolecule. So upstaged before I've even begun. 😊
IMO, every season of this show gets progressively better - sure season 4 may have been a slight dip pacewise but it was integral to driving the story.
Buckle up guys, its about to get wild
I agree. But I also think they did so well with S4 when you compare it with the book. Book for was my least favorite and drags and as a lot of side plots they cut in S4 to condense it and make it good for what it was. The only thing that kind of sucks is haverock (was that is name? Miller’s partner) he has a role in book four but I think it made sense to cut that Naomi subplot.
@@cmtaylor531 Havelock, but close enough
Miller is a Belter. To Holden and Johnson, Eros was a terrible crime; to Miller it was a genocide, and they were gonna let him continue.
Fun fact - IRL, Phoebe actually is (maybe) an extra-solar object and really did get caught on Saturn's orbit.
Phoebe is likely an outer solar system object that Saturn captured later on. Its composition is similar to Pluto, Triton etc. though so it's almost certainly _not_ extra-solar (of course, science being empirical, "maybe" is pretty much always _strictly speaking_ justified but as far as i'm aware there's zero evidence it is and plenty it isn't).
@@anonymes2884 yep. I mean, I knew I stretching it to make the story fit how I wanted it to. 😉 For sure did not start out orbiting Saturn, though.
There is no Miller, only Punisher.
If you ever want the Rocinante's coffee cups, they're the Emsa City Cup. Actually really nice, since it's a 6 oz. thermos so you can keep a single mug's worth hot and take it around with you.
Eric should start these videos with: Hello, Guys! I'm back!
i mean... it's public knowledge he was called "The Expanse"
Ah, the Mengele episode...
At around, 27:00
The best way to get the names down quickly is to watch with subtitles... whenever a person speaks offscreen, they are named. Bonus: chances are you are getting the proper spelling, as well.
For what it's worth...I am 100% with Miller on this one. The whole image of the snake and the apple comes rapidly to mind.
And it’s just getting good
Remember the Can’t.
Cant
I think you guys have nailed the Reaction format! Excellent video as always.
ADMIRAL WIN! I'm convinced that the naming is intentional.
Woooohooooo
Lookin' forward to the looks on your faces for the fight....
Yep, what I expected. :)
Diogo ("Invincible me!") becomes that annoying little brother you just want to beat the crap out of, all the time.
Lookin' forward to the looks on your faces when Miller makes his decision.
You saw it coming.
Remember how science is supposed to work, and then consider what Dresden was actually doing.
In a proper scientific approach, the discovery on Phoebe station (on the moon around Saturn, not Jupiter -- and remember where the Canterbury went for ice?) would have been published in a scientific journal for peer review.
Next, samples would have been made available for study in carefully controlled conditions -- space stations out in the middle of nowhere is actually a good choice -- and findings shared widely.
That's not what the Mao wanted to do, and he found a scientist willing to play fast and loose with the rules -- up to and including subjecting 100,000 human beings to involuntary experimentation that (apparently) proved lethal.
Dresden may have more scientific chops than Josef Mengele, but he's cut from the same horrible cloth.
When faced with someone such as Mengele, the only valid moral choice is to shoot him in the face.
Full stop.
As for the boarding pod, it would've jogged a bit sideways and then punched in so it could lamprey onto the hull.
That said, the station was big enough that it wouldn't have needed to rotate very quickly to maintain gravity.
A ring one kilometer across only needs to rotate 1.33 times per second to feel like it has 1G.
Now then, that's 155 mph, but these guys are already moving fast in space.
If you cut it down to 0.3G, which is what most Belters like, then it's only 85 mph.
Moreover, they picked a spot on the side of the ring and not the bottom, so when they scrambled into the station, the floor of the breaching pod kinda-sorta matched the floor of the ring -- which would've been in the direction of "out" from the hub.
If they'd hit the station on the outer rim, they'd have had to climb up into it, and would've appeared to have emerged from the floor.
Fun reaction vid, guys. :)
Nothing is ever "supposed to" work in any particular way. "Should" is a myth, it never exists outside the imagination.
EDIT: A "valid moral choice"? Meaning being evil is making "invalid" moral choices or a person trying to be good can make "invalid" moral choices like with bad logic?
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps I think the choice to treat other people as means to your ends, to the extent it kills them in the name of reaching your goals, absolutely qualifies as an "invalid moral choice."
Most people consider that sort of action to qualify as "actively evil," yes.
So, the decision to do evil is an invalid moral choice.
People who behave with such cavalier disregard for the lives, liberties, health and well-being of others, to the extent they engage in mass slaughter, as Dresden did, deserve to die. If the powers that be won't kill them, then somebody must, and Belters are an anarchic lot.
As for the scientific method, how it operates is well-defined and has been well understood for a couple of centuries, now. Dresden flouted it in the name of pursuit of knowledge he was willing to engage in mass slaughter to get.
So, any claim that the actions he took were in the best interests of science lack all credibility. He's a butcher, he deserved to die, and Miller delivered.
Full stop.
@@thomashiggins9320 I understand being actively evil being immoral but how does "invalid" figure in? You mean in that Dresden figures he is acting morally i.e. he believes he is choosing to do the moral thing?
"Deserving" and "must" ("imperatives") are more myths.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps Um, "Invalid" is defined as, "being without foundation or force in fact, truth, or law ," and also (and this is the meaning most relevant to the actions discussed), "logically inconsequent."
Dresden's arguments have no validity because they are illogical and unfounded in fact.
The protomolecule has been sitting dormant on Phoebe since Phoebe got captured by Saturn.
It's an alien organism, but its purpose is unknown.
To assume it's an "attack" after billions of years has no logical merit.
To claim to work in the name of "science" is hypocritical, when flouting scientific method (publish for peer review).
To use 100,000 people as involuntary gulnea pigs is ethically inexcusable.
Your position that strong ethical imperatives ("deserving" and "must") are myths implies that you may think ethics are myths.
Is this the case?
@@thomashiggins9320 There are no "imperatives" of any kind. Ethics are not a myth, to my current understanding, although I haven't put them under the microscope, so to speak.
Also, "purpose" is a myth so you mean that the protomolecule's function is unknown and/or that the intent of it being sent toward Earth is unknown.
EDIT: Also, I think I understand you now that you mean Dresden's moral reason(ing) is invalid.
lol welcome to the expanse each episode gets better and embrace the frustration of cliff hanger endings lol they like to tease ya
Look up "von Neuman Probe".
Yes, Nguyen is more or less pronounced "Wen" - it's the same guy.
I envy you guys what an awesome trip you will have with The Expanse
this show really starts to pick up this season. Can't wait for you guys to review it.
this was the episode where the show got really fuckin good
The episode I've been waiting for you guys to get to!
Great reaction as always, but the sound is a bit out of sync
Love their references that the aliens are coming and about an invasion. lol