57:00 for the conclusion. Wix/Wix XP (same as NAPA Gold or Platinum) are the best all-around American-made filters readily available at stores, and they are more affordable than AMSoil, Royal Purple, and dealer filters.
I have been using Fram a long time, at least 33 years (since we got our first local Walmart). I've put them on vettes, cadillacs, everything I've owned except a mercedes (couldn't find one for it). I put them on the same daily driver for 26 years, over 60 oil changes. The car wasn't using oil when I sold it. I put one on my new Subaru for it's very first oil change. I have also used nothing but synthetic oil since it first came on the market. That being said, I will probably be using Wix or Purolator in the future. Thanks for the video. It was enlightening.
Never thought an hour long video on Subaru oil filters would be so interesting, great job on keeping me enthralled and interested. I've always run Wix/ Microguard filters on my 04 N/A EJ25 Subaru, and this vid just gives me alittle extra piece of mind that I'm using a pretty good quality filter. Thanks for going through all the pain staking cutting and explaining and $ you had to spend to give us people some extra knowledge on what is better for our Subies.
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I feel sick to my stomach. I just installed a month ago on my N.A. 00 0.B. and 06' impreza the dreaded blue filters. Once again Mr Subaru in the clutch with the informative reviews 🙌
Years ago I read a post on an Audi user forum. The poster went through a very similar process including measuring the square cm of the filter media. What I remember for sure from his findings was that the Fram orange label has the smallest filter media and the Wix and Bosch filters were tied for the largest amount of filter media. After watching this fine video I'll be sticking with the Wix.
I know this is a old comment but about 2months ago I changed my mother inlaws oil on her 21 legacy..she bought all the stuff prior an had bought a fram filter I installed it an shut the hood before starting it to get it off ramps..I let it run for bout 3min an shut it off..let it set for 10min to check oil on level ground before she left..thank God I did..the fram had a tiny hairline crack it was tuff to see cuz it was covered in gritty paint for grip..it drained 4quarts out in my driveway..went an got her a k&n (wat I run till I just saw this) but yea wat a pain in the dick thar was
You will f-kin love your Subaru. You will swear you will never own another brand. I'm a dusty old 66 year old, and here in SE ohio, and due to my former poverty, I didn't get one till 2011. Love it cuz it's no frills. Forester. We bought another, 2014. If they'd just come out w/a real pickup, I'll buy one of those. GO for it.
I can say the oil stays clean longer with the wix XP. With the fram or OEM the oil turn black on my sti by 3000miles. Still looks good after 3000. Brown not black on a rag
I read that the reason subaru filters are shorter than the mazda filter is because the exhaust pipe on the turbo models runs very close to the filter. they made it smaller to add some distance in an attempt to keep the exhaust from heating up the oil and re-circulating the heat back into the motor.
@@MrSubaru1387 I would like to see you do this again with cartridge style filters; like that are used in the Chevy HHR. Let's See who makes the best cartridge filters!
TLDR: wix xp or Mazda filter is the best and better than OEM. The OEM filter doesn't even meet the OEM requirements and no other filter does expect wix XP and Mazda.
Mr. Subaru this is so outstanding. No advertising hype - just straight up cut them open and lets see inside. I cannot finish all of this right now but looking forward to coming back and watching the rest. This is a great and informative video
The two filters, The Purolator One, and the Purolator Boss are actually quite different if you take them apart. The ONE has a synthetic blend with cellulose filter media. It looks similar to the entry-level filter and looks pretty similar to the classic crummy kind of media. The ONE has a nitrile anti-drain back valve like the BOSS filter. The BOSS filter has a completely white synthetic filter media and is very dense and untearable media. The BOSS filter actually has a slightly less length of media but it is much thicker like a lot of synthetic filters have. So the BOSS filter is much better at filtering oil than the Purolator ONE. It's also guaranteed for 15,000 miles compared to 10, 000 in the One and 5,000 for the CLASSIC filter.
Slight correction: the BOSS base plate looks different ((FWIW) and both BOSS & ONE have silicon AntiDrainBack valves. Hah, I remember being scolded by the subaru dealer for using a WIX XP. I wish I hadn’t listened to them, but back then, I had a 100k mile ext warranty. Also wish I didn’t have any blue cans left in my stash…though at least they were cheaper (online in qty). Proud 07 OBXT owner. WIX XP / NAPA Platinum on there now, but was tempted to use a blue one on next OC….maybe not.
Most likely cheaper versions of Fram will be in the bypass mode from day one. Do you want unfiltered oil to circulate in your engine? The current Ultra version has been cheapened and now has the same paper medium, not the thick synthetic one it used to have. And there are plenty of cases when this filter ends up with torn medium. Torn medium = no filtration. Go and buy an OEM filter.
My first Subaru, a 1995 Legacy wagon, I always used factory Subaru. Then after a few years the filters changed color, feel and weight. I found out they were made by Wix (IIRC, this was almost 20 years ago) and Subaru went to Purolator. Being a mechanic I bought a Fram, Purolator, NAPA (Wix and this was before the Gold & Silver designation) and the new Subaru filter. I cut them all open, unused, & what I learned is Never use a Fram or Purolator is you value your engine. Purolator filters have changed drastically since I cut them apart, when I did it around 2000 they had less pleats and filter medium.
This is the second video in a row from you that helped me answer the questions I have for both my daughter's 2005 FXT and my 2020 WRX. Thank you so much for the high quality and straight forward answers that I need. You've gained me as a subscriber!
@@MrSubaru1387 curious. The black made in japan ones? Do you think the Wix xp for a 2020 would be the same quality? Really want to change the oil today but subaru parts closed sunday.
I've been running wix filters for decades and now that you see the insides you can't beat a wix unless you go with an XP for the synthetic filter combine that with Amsoil I run it in everything
Interesting at 22:35 - I wonder if that's Parker-Hannafin, who now owns Baldwin filters. Some of these brands (particularly the ones that don't have a manufacturing plant of their own) definitely switch manufacturer sources every few years. There are at least three manufacturers in the US from what I've found in my online research (Mann+Hummel Purolator, Parker-Hannafin/Baldwin, and Champion Laboratories) so they can fairly easily shop around while keeping the "Made in USA" label.
FYI in follow up research I found an explanation of the different WIX bypass. Their bypass value is at the input and directs the oil directly to the output without having to interact with the filter media which is loaded with crud that otherwise would be carried to the bottom bypass value. That puts it at the top of my list.
If the oil inside the can is pressurized to the point of triggering a bypass event than the particulate matter would be being held against the media by the same pressure not allowing it to move.
Well... That was thorough. I use the Mazda filter on my Spec.B and I can get it for about $6 CAD. Even cheaper than the Subaru filter. I love how the Roki filters come with a lubricant on the gasket right out of the box!
@@MrSubaru1387 since I cannot procure the black filter, what are your thoughts on using the Amsoil EA filter? You listed Royal Purple, so was curious that you had not listed Amsoils, which appear to be the same construction.
Thank you for such detailed explanation of these filters. Very disappointed with the blue Subaru OEM filters. For the FB25 engines the Purolator seems to be the one to go with. Thank you again.
Here in NZ Subaru agents supply black ROKI filters. The same filter (15208AA100) is used for EJ207 and FA20DIT (having both cars hence the example). I avoid filters with square O-rings, they are garbage, as they have very high chance of being stuck on the engine, and often leak.
I use the Wix 57055 on my FB20 Crosstrek. Best readily available and cost effective filter IMO. Good construction, filtering, and 27psi relief valve. I use Castrol 0w20 full synthetic @ $30/5qts changed at around 6k. All good. KISS(keep it simple stupid)😁
The heavy duty Carquest filters (for diesel and agriculture) are manufactured by Baldwin. The Carquest Premium light duty filters are a mix between Fram, Purolator and whoever makes K&N/Mobil1 filters. Depends on the model. Ive used the Carquest Premium (blue package) filters on my 14 Crosstrek for years, and they seem to work quite well. Theyre also 10 dollars cheaper than basically the same Mobil1 Filter at Advance Auto (of course with the oil change bundles, youre getting all of it for the same price).
Wow. This a fantastic video. I feel so informed after watching this. I now know which filters are better than others and why. I think that WIX Xp takes it. Every piece about it is well-made from top to bottom. There’s a little more surface area for filtration in the Mazda but I think the build quality wins me over in the WIX. Also, USA!
You helped me expand what filters I feel comfortable using on my 96 Subaru. And convinced me you avoid the Subaru USA made filters. (Which I never used anyways.) On the Wix filter, I know that the bypass on those push on the spring inside the assembly and oil will pass through the holes. Apparently it's set up like that so you don't flush contaminates from within the filter back into your car. Personally, I have been using Mobile 1/Penzoil Platnium HE for a long time (Seriously, I think they are the same exact filter!.) I would also get the Purlator Boss or Ones. But you opened me up to Mahle and Carquest Premium.
Don't know why people need to re-invent the wheel with oil filters, in Australia, Subaru will only supply the Tokyo Roki filter, its the oem part and it's actually cheaper than all but the crappiest aftermarket filters, at least where I'm from. You know with the genuine Tokyo Roki its made in Japan, the quality is guaranteed, bypass is correct and they are cheap anyway, no thought process required. I pay around $13 AUD (about $9 USD) for a 1 x filter (15208AA100), cheaper again if bought in bulk. Which makes me wonder just how much Subaru of America is paying next to nothing i have these blue filters made, and making considerable profit selling through the dealer network. So I guess in the US it's far more difficult to source the Tokyo Roki, but it worth the effort whether you can get the Subaru or Mazda equivalent. Never the less great video.
I'm sure that the blue OEM frame built has a stiffer spring but that may be it.. I've seen on forester forums it did test at 23psi but still would rather go with black Tokyo roki or Mazda filters any day than use the crappy cardboard end caps
Subaru and other engine builders DO NOT MAKE oil filters, they buy their filters from many of the various filter ''foundries" who specialize in private label filters for the automotive aftermarket. With such aftermarket there is NO guarantee of meeting spec. from filter lot to filter lot nor from originating foundry to foundry, especially from Chinese filter foundries. Look at (and know) the UPC 'bar codes' on the packaging for the country of origin. Te be sure ANY automotive aftermarket oil filter meets specification search the internet for domestic 'filter look up' / conversion reference .... then µM removal rating, then sq. ft. surface are of filte media, then rated operating flow capacity (gpm/min or lites/hr/ at (typically) i psig or 1 Bar(g) differential pressure, etc.
It is important to know the filter surface area and the thickness of the filter medium. Also the flow rate through the filter medium and the micron size
i love your channel man you have helped me so much with my 2003 wrx i swear i would've blown my motor by now if i hadn't found this channel keep up the amaizing detailed work man much respect
I've been using Purolator Boss filters on my Toyota 3.4L 5VZ-FE engines in my Tacoma and T4R along with Castrol Edge 5w-30 High Mileage full synthetic. I always had clean engines with Castrol oil and I'm glad I opted to go with Purolator Boss filters. I cut open the one I took off last oil change and my element had a coil spring type bypass valve in it instead of that weird looking one. Oddly on a different video I saw a WIX XP with the same weird bypass valve as the Purolator Boss in this video.
I like the extra capacity and media of the Mazda filter, but the anti-drainback spring pressure having a 6psi range of variance makes me lean more toward the Wix XP. Plus, that Mazda filter media has the yellow look of cellulose, so even at 3k miles between oil changes, I would expect less filtration efficiency than the XP's synthetic media.
Thanks so much for going through this in such detail and so organized. I’m glad you are considering doing a follow up vid to focus more on each filter’s medium...still so much to learn about each filter before tossing/recycling them. Was at Walmart today and their SuperTech oil filter was exactly the same as the Mobil 1 and KnN ones...from the helical core support, to the stamped markings on the plate, to the holes inside. Thanks again...most excellent work you do!! Keep it up 👍🏼
Great comparison but: Maybe come back with addition comparative information. Measure can wall thickness. This has connection to burst pressure rating, important for cold climate states. Unravel the filter material, list unfolded total length. Filter plete/fold count. List media material. Synthetic vs plain paper vs celulouis
Your pronunciation of Roki is correct. Glad the OEM black is pretty good, which is standard for me in Japan. Runs me about $12 (￥1,300) each. I wouldn't run the blues, super disappointing. Glad I got to see the inside of that.
Not to be unappreciative of the tremendous amount of work you did taking all those filters apart, but you cannot judge the functional performance of any component by superficial observations of the materials used. A true comparison can only be made by actually using the filters in a lab environment and observing the results. A leaf spring may be just as effective as a coil spring. One rubber seal may be as good as another in the typical life of an oil filter. Different filter materials and number of pleats may be just as effective.
On daughters 2005 outback 2.5 I use the tykyo roki Mazda 8 filters (N3R1-14-302) . Exact same psi specs as the suburu but taller. More bang for the buck. Bought a bulk of 8 for 6 bucks each.
Years ago when my wife and I got together she had a Ford Probe GT. (Mazda engine 4 banger with a sweet turbo) It came with a Fram (Scram) filter. It always sounded like nickels in a tin can for the HLA's. (Hydraulic Lash Adapters) These engines where very picky when it came to the filters. I changed it out for a NAPA Gold filter (made by Wix) and the HLA's went back to being pretty silent. Been using either Motorcraft for our Thunderbird (OEM) and WIX in everything else. Fram spends far to much time in advertising, and needs to reinvest in quality control.
I appreciate all the filter reviews and construction differences pointed out. But I hear people constantly say they used Fram for years with good service but wont be buying them anymore after seeing these videos. I would not run a Fram xt for the ridiculous extended oil change we have today. But I would run one. I stop and go in north cold climate short trips. Never make it to 3k before changing my oil. The like material end caps I believe give better adhesion with media. I cut open my motorcraft filter and the metal end caps came off too easy from the glue holding them to the media.
Thanks for taking time to make this video!!!! Been hearing and reading for a while that Subaru OEM are the best filters to use....but after watching your video I'm leaning towards using the Mazda N3R1-14-302 or Purolator L14615 for my '13 STI.
I've been building, rebuilding and machining all sorts of engines for 20 years. My friend who owns the shop has been doing it for 40. Between the two of us we have thousands of engines "under our belt" and have pretty much seen it all...failures as well. We were talking the other day about all the hype regarding Fram filters being junk. We just laughed as we know that between the actual "Fram" name and the generic equivillents they probably protect 60-70% of all cars and trucks on the road today. Also, between us we could only think of maybe one or two times that we actually saw a damaged engine from a filter "failure". I've seen damage due to double gasketing, cross threading and physical damage done due to clearance issues where it hit a rock or bump...but almost never a PROVABLE "failure". I've seen the cheapest Fram orange cans on $300k Ferrari's(the owner does his own changes) and the engines were pristine after race use. This whole thing is just a product of YT and has no real basis in everyday reality for owners. If it makes you feel better to spend a bunch of money for a filter then go ahead. Your engine really doesn't care so long as it fits.
Fun fact: my 2011 Nissan Maxima 3.5 liter V6 (what a fantastic engine) takes the same engine oil filter as my wife's 2023 Subaru Forester Premium 2.5 liter 4 cyl. For example if using a Mobil 1 filter, both take the M1-108A. Having used full size oil filters on engines though the decades, I never liked how small these filters are but I cannot say that I've had a problem, that I know of anyway.
AC Delco professional series, more pleats than even the XP wix, and a nylon cage which is stronger than the steel cage! Even their advantage filters are excellent for the price!
I use either MAHLE or DENSO only but, it looks like Purolator BOSS is a premium synthetic fleece filter which I also am a fan of. WIX looks good too and I see why you'd buy them when they are essentially a local business to where you live which is understandable. Two other brands that are good are Filtech and Toyo Roki which Honda and Toyota use as OEM brands. Thank you for your insight and information you gave us at your expense. This is much appreciated.
Hi, upon some further investigation, reading, I've found that as long as the sum of the areas of the filter inlet holes is equal or slightly larger than the area of the boss, or the threaded pipe to which the filter attaches, flow should not be impeded. It looks like the area of the eight puny Purolator 14612 inlet holes may be larger or equal to the inside area of the threaded pipe, or boss. In theory at least, these holes should not be restrictive. I'd still be hesitant to use that tiny Purolator as so many turbo engines suffer from mysterious spun bearings. I am cancelling my previous comments, criticizing you for not mentioning the hole size differences, as seemingly it does not matter in this case, ...the holes are likely big enough. Thanks for the video.
IAG, one of the biggest Subaru engine builders, with record setting horsepower engines, says to run Purolator and only Purolator on their engines. These are up to $10,000 billet aluminum short blocks. Capable of making 1,200Hp+. I'd hope the Purolator is up to the task of filtering oil in a 300hp STi or an N/A 165Hp EJ25D when they handle their monster engines.
@@MrSubaru1387 So what? IAG engines suffer from the same mysterious spun bearing failures that other turbo Subarus do. It is likely some oiling problem at high rpms. If an oil filter is in any way restrictive it has the potential to be detrimental to proper oiling. That is why I don't like the small holes in the Purolator 14612. Subaru warns to use only OEM filters as other filters have not been tested for proper flow. Nobody really knows what is causing these turbo EJ failures. Subaru settles multiple law suits, pays out money's and keeps quiet, never revealing the true cause of failures. Form NASIOC, forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2846683
I use Royal purple oil cause im a Texas boy, but man.. i cant believe the oil filters are that poorly made. That glue was way to excessive. The Wix synthetic filters are my go to. Approaching 100K on my 2015 Honda Fit, and when i looked under the valve cover, the valvetrain was straight jewelry. Great video MrSubaru.
The Carquest red filter is actually made by Mann Hummel (which owns Wix). The blue filters are still made by Mann/Wix. When the blue filter is HD application it is then made by Baldwin 👍. I have worked for Advance many years.
4yr has passed, this was a great video. Any chance we can get an update, throw in some new filters and check that companies like WIX haven’t went cheap on us
Great video, thank you for your time and effort. I only use the Black Tokyo Roki filter made in Japan for my JDM Subaru Legacy Blitzen and JDM Subaru Legacy GT Twin Scroll.
Amazing video. I am very appreciate your spent time and money to made this very helpful video. I used K&N Gold and using Royal Purple now. I can feel the differences between 2 is K&N allow more oil flow though so oil temperature lower and drop down faster after pull. But Royal Purple have metal screen back and fully synthetic media will last longer and give you more peace of mind. I'm heading to use Purolator Boss next for my new WRX because they look very good and cheaper than Royal Purple or K&N, that will save me some money to keep my warranty on 6000 miles/6 month oil change interval.
Thank you for going to the effort in this video. I’ve used Subaru filters on my 2005 Forester. From what I see I would switch to car quest cheapies due to taller size or the Mazda ones. In Aust we have Ryco brand, not cheap but I’m tempted to cut one open to compare it with what I have seen today. You’re a champ mate. P
Awesome video man. In addition, just information to some of the folk who new to oil filter. Alot of USA Oem are switching to Honeywell (Fram) Honda is one of them. All the other shown are Champion (Purelator, Bosch, Mobile 1, KN, WIX) Champion at one point was the OE for honda too. I am new to suby but, every where I look, Roki is what is people recommend.
The Purolator One PL14615 is the filter to get (not the PL14612). Has the preferred 20-30 PSI bypass, which best matches Subaru hot idle oil pressures. Combines the height & extra filter media of the CarQuest R84712, with the silicon anti drain-back valve of the CarQuest 84712. At least for now, still $8.75 at either Walmart or Amazon. *However, the best deal is on CarQuest 84712 filters at Advance Auto this month, for just $5.35 ea. with online code 'DEC2'.
I've been running Mobil 1 synthetic on my F series 2.5 Forester. I think I will switch it up to the Wix or Puralator depending on price/availability at my local wal-mart
@@MrSubaru1387 i like the taller mazda filter but i have a magna flow exhaust and the different shape doesnt really allow for a taller filter, plus i change my oil about 2k miles anyway.
Just bought a 2020 Outback turbo with 5,077 miles on it. I run synthetic oil and do my own changes. Now I know what filter to use when the time comes. Thank you for the great info.
If you are among the few DIY like me consider becoming a Amsoil Preferred Customer. I have been a DIY oil change and basic maint. since 1986. I have used Amsoil products the past 15 years. As a Preferred customer you can get free shipping on $100 orders. They sell Wix filters and Amsoil brand which some say is the Wix XP. I like that they offer 3 levels of oil protection (Signature, XL, and OE). I generally use the XL series. They have a lot of product information and vehicle application on the website. Yes, not cheap but I like that they are a U.S. company (made is WI).
I called Mann-Hummel, manufacturers of the Mobil 1 M1-108A. They told me it has a bypass valve setting of 20-25 PSI and "no anti-drainback valve." I asked for a flow rate but the lady didn't have it in her system. I had gone to Mobil 1's website to look it all up, but the product data sheet was blank. I asked the lady if she had the PDS, and she said theat no, it was just stuff they had in their system. FWIW, they also manufacture Napa, Wix, Mann, and one more that I don't recall.
Thanks! Great to see inside that many different brands and levels. I found a taller filter the other day that appears to give about 1/3 more capacity, but I don’t recall what brand etc it was. Great job! Thanks again for your investment and effort 😉👍
Nothing wrong with using the oem US filter so long as one follows FSM suggested oil changes. However after seeing a few comparison videos, I’ll switch to the Wix XP, for only $1.50 more it has way better components than oem. Metal end caps vs oem cardboard wth?! Silicone anti-drain back valve vs oem rubber, more synthetic filtering material per sq/in + wire backed mesh vs only cellulose in oem and the Wix can capture up to 21 microns @ 99% efficiency and it has a coiled spring bypass material vs oem stamped steel. For only $1.50 more, that’s a hell of a lot better filter than oem.
Purolator now suggests pl14615 or pbl14615 due to bypass valve which they have set at 20-30 psi. This will be the filter I would choose and also since iag performance requires it.
Most informative so far but nobody wants to test the filters. How to filter media response is very important as well as when the bypass valve actually functions and how effective is the anti drain back valve.
Agree with what you've stated regarding the low-end Fram filters, however, think that the Fram Ultra deserves to be in your top filters list if only based on the filter media. It has a 99%+ filtration rating at 20 microns whereas Mobil One and Wix XP are rated at that same filtration rating at 30 and 35 microns, respectively. Not sure what the filtration rating is for the Tokyo Roki is, but can't think it would be much greater. The only drawback I see here for the Fram Ultra is that the bypass valve rating is lower at 13 psi (XG7317). Just installed this on a 2020 Forester, but this is a non-turbo engine. We shall see how it goes.
Hi, did the Fram XG7317 do well in your Subaru for the past 6 months? Any issues? I will use this same filter on my Crosstrek 2021 manual transmission but first I wish to hear some feedback from folks like yourself. Cheers.
I've recently learned that Subaru has 2 lines of OEM filters. The Japanese made black Subaru filters are still sold int he USA. My WRX uses the one, which I purchase online.
I’ve been using wix for decades and will keep doing so and the XP filters are only 1.50$ more at my local Oreillys. Badly disappointed in Subie using Sham, I mean Fram filters which don’t meet their own specs. Looks like they are generating biz like joe dirt with firecrackers up a frogs bunghole
THANK YOU Mr. Subaru for all you do and the great tip on flooring the gas pedal to just turn the engine over!! How does the Mobil 1 filter compare to the Japanese Subie filter? Where how can we buy the Japanese filter? Most grateful for all your info and work!
What many videos do not show is how Motorcraft Filters are one of only few companies using a thread end bypass, Wix, Napa, and Royal Purple all had outstanding design and when they got bought out, the designs changed and in my opinion they are a cheap design. No longer made with highest quality. Royal Purple Filters, Napa Gold and Wix have all changed from a nice steel base plate with thread end bypass, Silicone ADBV, evenly spaced holes and steel coil spring, solid canister casing. It would be interesting comparison how they have changed. Now Purolator is better than those. I currently use Motorcraft although I know they use a leaf spring and the Purolator is a decent design, the Boss is nice and it shows filter media is better than Motorcraft. Not a fan of dome end bypass. Many new oil filters displayed in videos don't even come close to what RP and Napa Wix used to be years ago. The new ACDelco E core is an embarrassment. Why do these companies think they can change a proven design and still have a loyal following for a cheaper product. They must think customers don't notice. I expected K and N to be higher quality, the dome end bypass design is cheap and does not look built with durability.
59:55 ~ top 3 oil filters
57:00 for the conclusion. Wix/Wix XP (same as NAPA Gold or Platinum) are the best all-around American-made filters readily available at stores, and they are more affordable than AMSoil, Royal Purple, and dealer filters.
Wix makes their filters in Mexico, they are an American brand though.
The ones I use on 6 different vehicles are made in America. Says so stamped right on them.
Kevin Miller owned by Mann Hummel, German
Wonder how a an AMSOIL Ea Filter looks like ? Been using forever 👍.
Does anyone happen to know why Amazon says the wix filters don’t fit my car? 2020 wrx
I have been using Fram a long time, at least 33 years (since we got our first local Walmart). I've put them on vettes, cadillacs, everything I've owned except a mercedes (couldn't find one for it). I put them on the same daily driver for 26 years, over 60 oil changes. The car wasn't using oil when I sold it. I put one on my new Subaru for it's very first oil change. I have also used nothing but synthetic oil since it first came on the market. That being said, I will probably be using Wix or Purolator in the future. Thanks for the video. It was enlightening.
I suggest Wix.
Fram is cardboard smart change up
Wow
Never thought an hour long video on Subaru oil filters would be so interesting, great job on keeping me enthralled and interested.
I've always run Wix/ Microguard filters on my 04 N/A EJ25 Subaru, and this vid just gives me alittle extra piece of mind that I'm using a pretty good quality filter. Thanks for going through all the pain staking cutting and explaining and $ you had to spend to give us people some extra knowledge on what is better for our Subies.
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I feel sick to my stomach. I just installed a month ago on my N.A. 00 0.B. and 06' impreza the dreaded blue filters. Once again Mr Subaru in the clutch with the informative reviews 🙌
Years ago I read a post on an Audi user forum. The poster went through a very similar process including measuring the square cm of the filter media. What I remember for sure from his findings was that the Fram orange label has the smallest filter media and the Wix and Bosch filters were tied for the largest amount of filter media. After watching this fine video I'll be sticking with the Wix.
I know this is a old comment but about 2months ago I changed my mother inlaws oil on her 21 legacy..she bought all the stuff prior an had bought a fram filter I installed it an shut the hood before starting it to get it off ramps..I let it run for bout 3min an shut it off..let it set for 10min to check oil on level ground before she left..thank God I did..the fram had a tiny hairline crack it was tuff to see cuz it was covered in gritty paint for grip..it drained 4quarts out in my driveway..went an got her a k&n (wat I run till I just saw this) but yea wat a pain in the dick thar was
I don't even have a subaru, and yet here I am, watching a oil filter comparison for subarus.
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You will f-kin love your Subaru. You will swear you will never own another brand. I'm a dusty old 66 year old, and here in SE ohio, and due to my former poverty, I didn't get one till 2011. Love it cuz it's no frills. Forester. We bought another, 2014. If they'd just come out w/a real pickup, I'll buy one of those. GO for it.
Well regardless it's interesting to see the difference between filter manufacturers. Should apply to any vehicle.
@@marshmarla1193 If Subaru made a small truck, kinda like a Ranger, I'd be in heaven
The Sambar. Lol
@@MrSubaru1387 I mean, it's not too terrible lol
I’m super disappointed with the Subaru filter....wix Xp it is for now on. Thanks for a great video!
why not the Mahle? the Wix XP is much more expensive.
I can say the oil stays clean longer with the wix XP. With the fram or OEM the oil turn black on my sti by 3000miles. Still looks good after 3000. Brown not black on a rag
I get the Mazda filters online for like $7. I’m pleased with them.
Wiz Xp running on my 15 Fozzy XT
I read that the reason subaru filters are shorter than the mazda filter is because the exhaust pipe on the turbo models runs very close to the filter. they made it smaller to add some distance in an attempt to keep the exhaust from heating up the oil and re-circulating the heat back into the motor.
Die hard oem blue filter user, might have to switch to the Mazda now though.
When I saw how many filters you bought to dissect I had to watch the video. Great job thanks much.
CANT GET ENOUGH OF YOUR WISEDOM, JUST BOUGHT A 2016 FORRESTER USED 28,000. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
At first I thought this was a 13 minute video. I see it is 1 hour and 3 minutes.... this will be my go to sleep video tonight.
It's a hour long insomnia cure! 😂
@@MrSubaru1387 I would like to see you do this again with cartridge style filters; like that are used in the Chevy HHR. Let's See who makes the best cartridge filters!
TLDR: wix xp or Mazda filter is the best and better than OEM. The OEM filter doesn't even meet the OEM requirements and no other filter does expect wix XP and Mazda.
@Brandon Kilian by pass valve at 25psi and cardboard end caps with synthetic filter and metal clipping it together. Otherwise known as OEM
@Brandon Kilian not to my knowledge. I personally have access to STIs as I'm a Subaru technician.
@Brandon Kilian cause most filters can fit on multiple vehicles so the pressure on most aftermarket ones are a general pressure
Thanks for the tldr
Mr. Subaru this is so outstanding. No advertising hype - just straight up cut them open and lets see inside. I cannot finish all of this right now but looking forward to coming back and watching the rest. This is a great and informative video
Thank you. I'm glad you're enjoying it.
The two filters, The Purolator One, and the Purolator Boss are actually quite different if you take them apart. The ONE has a synthetic blend with cellulose filter media. It looks similar to the entry-level filter and looks pretty similar to the classic crummy kind of media. The ONE has a nitrile anti-drain back valve like the BOSS filter. The BOSS filter has a completely white synthetic filter media and is very dense and untearable media. The BOSS filter actually has a slightly less length of media but it is much thicker like a lot of synthetic filters have. So the BOSS filter is much better at filtering oil than the Purolator ONE. It's also guaranteed for 15,000 miles compared to 10, 000 in the One and 5,000 for the CLASSIC filter.
Paul Gordon but the ONE and classic filter at 20 microns and BOSS filters at 25 microns.
Slight correction: the BOSS base plate looks different ((FWIW) and both BOSS & ONE have silicon AntiDrainBack valves. Hah, I remember being scolded by the subaru dealer for using a WIX XP. I wish I hadn’t listened to them, but back then, I had a 100k mile ext warranty. Also wish I didn’t have any blue cans left in my stash…though at least they were cheaper (online in qty). Proud 07 OBXT owner. WIX XP / NAPA Platinum on there now, but was tempted to use a blue one on next OC….maybe not.
I like the Fram because they are easier to take off and install.
Most likely cheaper versions of Fram will be in the bypass mode from day one. Do you want unfiltered oil to circulate in your engine? The current Ultra version has been cheapened and now has the same paper medium, not the thick synthetic one it used to have. And there are plenty of cases when this filter ends up with torn medium. Torn medium = no filtration. Go and buy an OEM filter.
I don't know why Subaru stuck with the Tokyo Roki filter for the 3.6, but I'm happy they did. That's what I'll continue using.
My first Subaru, a 1995 Legacy wagon, I always used factory Subaru. Then after a few years the filters changed color, feel and weight. I found out they were made by Wix (IIRC, this was almost 20 years ago) and Subaru went to Purolator. Being a mechanic I bought a Fram, Purolator, NAPA (Wix and this was before the Gold & Silver designation) and the new Subaru filter. I cut them all open, unused, & what I learned is Never use a Fram or Purolator is you value your engine. Purolator filters have changed drastically since I cut them apart, when I did it around 2000 they had less pleats and filter medium.
This is the second video in a row from you that helped me answer the questions I have for both my daughter's 2005 FXT and my 2020 WRX. Thank you so much for the high quality and straight forward answers that I need. You've gained me as a subscriber!
Which did you end up using in your 2020? About to do my first change today. I'm leaning Wix xp.
I'm using OE filters on my 2019 WRX.
@@MrSubaru1387 curious. The black made in japan ones? Do you think the Wix xp for a 2020 would be the same quality? Really want to change the oil today but subaru parts closed sunday.
@@messagefortheworld9090 yes. The WIX should be fine.
Which Filter do you use on your 05 FXT as I'm about to do an oil change on my wife's 05 FXT.
Never thought I’d watch an hour long video on oil filters but here I am.
I've been running wix filters for decades and now that you see the insides you can't beat a wix unless you go with an XP for the synthetic filter combine that with Amsoil I run it in everything
Interesting at 22:35 - I wonder if that's Parker-Hannafin, who now owns Baldwin filters.
Some of these brands (particularly the ones that don't have a manufacturing plant of their own) definitely switch manufacturer sources every few years. There are at least three manufacturers in the US from what I've found in my online research (Mann+Hummel Purolator, Parker-Hannafin/Baldwin, and Champion Laboratories) so they can fairly easily shop around while keeping the "Made in USA" label.
FYI in follow up research I found an explanation of the different WIX bypass. Their bypass value is at the input and directs the oil directly to the output without having to interact with the filter media which is loaded with crud that otherwise would be carried to the bottom bypass value. That puts it at the top of my list.
If the oil inside the can is pressurized to the point of triggering a bypass event than the particulate matter would be being held against the media by the same pressure not allowing it to move.
Well... That was thorough. I use the Mazda filter on my Spec.B and I can get it for about $6 CAD. Even cheaper than the Subaru filter.
I love how the Roki filters come with a lubricant on the gasket right out of the box!
where did you get the mazda filter? mazda? lol
Link in the description.
Thanks for putting all of the time and energy in such a well thought out and information video!
You're welcome.
@@MrSubaru1387 since I cannot procure the black filter, what are your thoughts on using the Amsoil EA filter? You listed Royal Purple, so was curious that you had not listed Amsoils, which appear to be the same construction.
@@MrSubaru1387 would the 15208AA130 be better on the FB25 engine vs the 15208aa15a? Tia
This is a great video with a lot of information and just the right amount of narration (give yourself more credit). Thank you for taking the time.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Mr Subaru I want to keep in touch with you and arrange parts for me here in Zimbabwe I want work on Subaru
Thank you for such detailed explanation of these filters. Very disappointed with the blue Subaru OEM filters. For the FB25 engines the Purolator seems to be the one to go with. Thank you again.
You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed the video. 👍🏻
Roki!
Here in NZ Subaru agents supply black ROKI filters. The same filter (15208AA100) is used for EJ207 and FA20DIT (having both cars hence the example).
I avoid filters with square O-rings, they are garbage, as they have very high chance of being stuck on the engine, and often leak.
I use the Wix 57055 on my FB20 Crosstrek. Best readily available and cost effective filter IMO. Good construction, filtering, and 27psi relief valve. I use Castrol 0w20 full synthetic @ $30/5qts changed at around 6k. All good. KISS(keep it simple stupid)😁
Man i was so relieved and glad with my decision to go with oem black subaru filters on my 86, seeing the blue subaru filters had me super worried
The heavy duty Carquest filters (for diesel and agriculture) are manufactured by Baldwin. The Carquest Premium light duty filters are a mix between Fram, Purolator and whoever makes K&N/Mobil1 filters. Depends on the model. Ive used the Carquest Premium (blue package) filters on my 14 Crosstrek for years, and they seem to work quite well. Theyre also 10 dollars cheaper than basically the same Mobil1 Filter at Advance Auto (of course with the oil change bundles, youre getting all of it for the same price).
Wow. This a fantastic video. I feel so informed after watching this. I now know which filters are better than others and why. I think that WIX Xp takes it. Every piece about it is well-made from top to bottom. There’s a little more surface area for filtration in the Mazda but I think the build quality wins me over in the WIX. Also, USA!
Strange that people have strong feelings for filters made in USA for their imported vehicles.
You helped me expand what filters I feel comfortable using on my 96 Subaru. And convinced me you avoid the Subaru USA made filters. (Which I never used anyways.) On the Wix filter, I know that the bypass on those push on the spring inside the assembly and oil will pass through the holes. Apparently it's set up like that so you don't flush contaminates from within the filter back into your car. Personally, I have been using Mobile 1/Penzoil Platnium HE for a long time (Seriously, I think they are the same exact filter!.) I would also get the Purlator Boss or Ones. But you opened me up to Mahle and Carquest Premium.
Don't know why people need to re-invent the wheel with oil filters, in Australia, Subaru will only supply the Tokyo Roki filter, its the oem part and it's actually cheaper than all but the crappiest aftermarket filters, at least where I'm from. You know with the genuine Tokyo Roki its made in Japan, the quality is guaranteed, bypass is correct and they are cheap anyway, no thought process required. I pay around $13 AUD (about $9 USD) for a 1 x filter (15208AA100), cheaper again if bought in bulk. Which makes me wonder just how much Subaru of America is paying next to nothing i have these blue filters made, and making considerable profit selling through the dealer network.
So I guess in the US it's far more difficult to source the Tokyo Roki, but it worth the effort whether you can get the Subaru or Mazda equivalent.
Never the less great video.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.
What about the Ryco? Or the STI OEM For GC8 models but don’t forget we get the JMD models here in oz, btw where can I purchase some filters off you ?
So the Subaru OEM filter is a Fram Tough Guard which doesn't meet Subaru's own backpass valve pressure specs???...
I'm sure that the blue OEM frame built has a stiffer spring but that may be it.. I've seen on forester forums it did test at 23psi but still would rather go with black Tokyo roki or Mazda filters any day than use the crappy cardboard end caps
Subaru and other engine builders DO NOT MAKE oil filters, they buy their filters from many of the various filter ''foundries" who specialize in private label filters for the automotive aftermarket. With such aftermarket there is NO guarantee of meeting spec. from filter lot to filter lot nor from originating foundry to foundry, especially from Chinese filter foundries. Look at (and know) the UPC 'bar codes' on the packaging for the country of origin.
Te be sure ANY automotive aftermarket oil filter meets specification search the internet for domestic 'filter look up' / conversion reference .... then µM removal rating, then sq. ft. surface are of filte media, then rated operating flow capacity (gpm/min or lites/hr/ at (typically) i psig or 1 Bar(g) differential pressure, etc.
It is important to know the filter surface area and the thickness of the filter medium. Also the flow rate through the filter medium and the micron size
Standard Wix (Napa Gold) filters are now made in Mexico. Big difference in quality of assembly compared with the USA made XP (Napa Platinum).
i love your channel man you have helped me so much with my 2003 wrx i swear i would've blown my motor by now if i hadn't found this channel keep up the amaizing detailed work man much respect
Most anticipated video!! Thank you for your time and effort in this!!!
You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed it.
This is the most informed video of oil filters I have ever seen. Great work.
I've been using Purolator Boss filters on my Toyota 3.4L 5VZ-FE engines in my Tacoma and T4R along with Castrol Edge 5w-30 High Mileage full synthetic. I always had clean engines with Castrol oil and I'm glad I opted to go with Purolator Boss filters. I cut open the one I took off last oil change and my element had a coil spring type bypass valve in it instead of that weird looking one. Oddly on a different video I saw a WIX XP with the same weird bypass valve as the Purolator Boss in this video.
I like the extra capacity and media of the Mazda filter, but the anti-drainback spring pressure having a 6psi range of variance makes me lean more toward the Wix XP. Plus, that Mazda filter media has the yellow look of cellulose, so even at 3k miles between oil changes, I would expect less filtration efficiency than the XP's synthetic media.
Thanks so much for going through this in such detail and so organized. I’m glad you are considering doing a follow up vid to focus more on each filter’s medium...still so much to learn about each filter before tossing/recycling them. Was at Walmart today and their SuperTech oil filter was exactly the same as the Mobil 1 and KnN ones...from the helical core support, to the stamped markings on the plate, to the holes inside. Thanks again...most excellent work you do!! Keep it up 👍🏼
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed the video. 👍🏻
Great comparison but:
Maybe come back with addition comparative information.
Measure can wall thickness. This
has connection to burst pressure rating, important for cold climate states.
Unravel the filter material, list unfolded total length.
Filter plete/fold count.
List media material. Synthetic vs plain paper vs celulouis
Just how good is the STI pink oil filter?... how does it compare to the Mazda and the Wix/XP?
Your pronunciation of Roki is correct.
Glad the OEM black is pretty good, which is standard for me in Japan. Runs me about $12 (￥1,300) each. I wouldn't run the blues, super disappointing. Glad I got to see the inside of that.
Just a little heads up. Wix quietly sold to Mann-Hummel recently.
Greg Gordon Mann is good. I used there stuff. There the oem for many bmws
Not to be unappreciative of the tremendous amount of work you did taking all those filters apart, but you cannot judge the functional performance of any component by superficial observations of the materials used. A true comparison can only be made by actually using the filters in a lab environment and observing the results. A leaf spring may be just as effective as a coil spring. One rubber seal may be as good as another in the typical life of an oil filter. Different filter materials and number of pleats may be just as effective.
Thank you, being a mechanic with a UA-cam platform dors not make one an expert on filtration engineering.
Looks like I’m pulling my oem blue filter off my new build on the engine stand.
On daughters 2005 outback 2.5 I use the tykyo roki Mazda 8 filters (N3R1-14-302) . Exact same psi specs as the suburu but taller. More bang for the buck. Bought a bulk of 8 for 6 bucks each.
The filet area of the rx8 filter alone should have it winning
Years ago when my wife and I got together she had a Ford Probe GT. (Mazda engine 4 banger with a sweet turbo) It came with a Fram (Scram) filter. It always sounded like nickels in a tin can for the HLA's. (Hydraulic Lash Adapters) These engines where very picky when it came to the filters.
I changed it out for a NAPA Gold filter (made by Wix) and the HLA's went back to being pretty silent. Been using either Motorcraft for our Thunderbird (OEM) and WIX in everything else. Fram spends far to much time in advertising, and needs to reinvest in quality control.
Nice to hear that Tokyo Roki is on the top. I've just changed oil in my EJ201 SG5 today and I've put OEM filter. Great comparison.
Glad you enjoyed the video. 👍🏻
I need to switch over to the RX-8 and/or Wix. Working at a Subaru & Mazda dealership I'll just go with the RX-8 filter lol.
I appreciate all the filter reviews and construction differences pointed out.
But I hear people constantly say they used Fram for years with good service but wont be buying them anymore after seeing these videos.
I would not run a Fram xt for the ridiculous extended oil change we have today. But I would run one.
I stop and go in north cold climate short trips. Never make it to 3k before changing my oil. The like material end caps I believe give better adhesion with media. I cut open my motorcraft filter and the metal end caps came off too easy from the glue holding them to the media.
American made blue subaru filters are fram filters use a wix, mobil1, k&n or purolator!!
Thanks for taking time to make this video!!!! Been hearing and reading for a while that Subaru OEM are the best filters to use....but after watching your video I'm leaning towards using the Mazda N3R1-14-302 or Purolator L14615 for my '13 STI.
I've been building, rebuilding and machining all sorts of engines for 20 years. My friend who owns the shop has been doing it for 40. Between the two of us we have thousands of engines "under our belt" and have pretty much seen it all...failures as well. We were talking the other day about all the hype regarding Fram filters being junk. We just laughed as we know that between the actual "Fram" name and the generic equivillents they probably protect 60-70% of all cars and trucks on the road today. Also, between us we could only think of maybe one or two times that we actually saw a damaged engine from a filter "failure". I've seen damage due to double gasketing, cross threading and physical damage done due to clearance issues where it hit a rock or bump...but almost never a PROVABLE "failure". I've seen the cheapest Fram orange cans on $300k Ferrari's(the owner does his own changes) and the engines were pristine after race use. This whole thing is just a product of YT and has no real basis in everyday reality for owners. If it makes you feel better to spend a bunch of money for a filter then go ahead. Your engine really doesn't care so long as it fits.
Fun fact: my 2011 Nissan Maxima 3.5 liter V6 (what a fantastic engine) takes the same engine oil filter as my wife's 2023 Subaru Forester Premium 2.5 liter 4 cyl. For example if using a Mobil 1 filter, both take the M1-108A. Having used full size oil filters on engines though the decades, I never liked how small these filters are but I cannot say that I've had a problem, that I know of anyway.
What size particles will the media let through? That's what's important.
It doesn't matter if it's in bypass from the beginning from a poor design. Every component of the filter is equally important. 🤨
The boss is 20 micron at 99+% beating other brands like amsoil the kn grouping
AC Delco professional series, more pleats than even the XP wix, and a nylon cage which is stronger than the steel cage! Even their advantage filters are excellent for the price!
I use either MAHLE or DENSO only but, it looks like Purolator BOSS is a premium synthetic fleece filter which I also am a fan of. WIX looks good too and I see why you'd buy them when they are essentially a local business to where you live which is understandable.
Two other brands that are good are Filtech and Toyo Roki which Honda and Toyota use as OEM brands.
Thank you for your insight and information you gave us at your expense.
This is much appreciated.
Hi, upon some further investigation, reading, I've found that as long as the sum of the areas of the filter inlet holes is equal or slightly larger than the area of the boss, or the threaded pipe to which the filter attaches, flow should not be impeded. It looks like the area of the eight puny Purolator 14612 inlet holes may be larger or equal to the inside area of the threaded pipe, or boss. In theory at least, these holes should not be restrictive. I'd still be hesitant to use that tiny Purolator as so many turbo engines suffer from mysterious spun bearings. I am cancelling my previous comments, criticizing you for not mentioning the hole size differences, as seemingly it does not matter in this case, ...the holes are likely big enough. Thanks for the video.
IAG, one of the biggest Subaru engine builders, with record setting horsepower engines, says to run Purolator and only Purolator on their engines. These are up to $10,000 billet aluminum short blocks. Capable of making 1,200Hp+. I'd hope the Purolator is up to the task of filtering oil in a 300hp STi or an N/A 165Hp EJ25D when they handle their monster engines.
@@MrSubaru1387 So what? IAG engines suffer from the same mysterious spun bearing failures that other turbo Subarus do. It is likely some oiling problem at high rpms. If an oil filter is in any way restrictive it has the potential to be detrimental to proper oiling. That is why I don't like the small holes in the Purolator 14612. Subaru warns to use only OEM filters as other filters have not been tested for proper flow. Nobody really knows what is causing these turbo EJ failures. Subaru settles multiple law suits, pays out money's and keeps quiet, never revealing the true cause of failures.
Form NASIOC, forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2846683
I use Royal purple oil cause im a Texas boy, but man.. i cant believe the oil filters are that poorly made. That glue was way to excessive. The Wix synthetic filters are my go to. Approaching 100K on my 2015 Honda Fit, and when i looked under the valve cover, the valvetrain was straight jewelry. Great video MrSubaru.
The Carquest red filter is actually made by Mann Hummel (which owns Wix). The blue filters are still made by Mann/Wix. When the blue filter is HD application it is then made by Baldwin 👍. I have worked for Advance many years.
4yr has passed, this was a great video. Any chance we can get an update, throw in some new filters and check that companies like WIX haven’t went cheap on us
Great video, thank you for your time and effort.
I only use the Black Tokyo Roki filter made in Japan for my JDM Subaru Legacy Blitzen and JDM Subaru Legacy GT Twin Scroll.
Where do you get them? Need to start using in wifes Subaru
Amazing video. I am very appreciate your spent time and money to made this very helpful video.
I used K&N Gold and using Royal Purple now. I can feel the differences between 2 is K&N allow more oil flow though so oil temperature lower and drop down faster after pull. But Royal Purple have metal screen back and fully synthetic media will last longer and give you more peace of mind.
I'm heading to use Purolator Boss next for my new WRX because they look very good and cheaper than Royal Purple or K&N, that will save me some money to keep my warranty on 6000 miles/6 month oil change interval.
Thank you for going to the effort in this video. I’ve used Subaru filters on my 2005 Forester. From what I see I would switch to car quest cheapies due to taller size or the Mazda ones. In Aust we have Ryco brand, not cheap but I’m tempted to cut one open to compare it with what I have seen today. You’re a champ mate. P
You can’t go wrong with the Purolator Boss. For the price it’s an awesome filter.
Glad to see the Mazda filter include, since I read it was a good choice and have been running it since then. Great video.
Man i really appreciate this segment especially because i want WixXP seeing they all they're said to be and I'll be using full synthetic 5W30 oil.
Cool, I just switched to Wix on my 2016 Legacy 3.6R
Awesome video man. In addition, just information to some of the folk who new to oil filter. Alot of USA Oem are switching to Honeywell (Fram) Honda is one of them. All the other shown are Champion (Purelator, Bosch, Mobile 1, KN, WIX) Champion at one point was the OE for honda too. I am new to suby but, every where I look, Roki is what is people recommend.
That Mazda filter looks very nice and uniform.
The Purolator One PL14615 is the filter to get (not the PL14612). Has the preferred 20-30 PSI bypass, which best matches Subaru hot idle oil pressures. Combines the height & extra filter media of the CarQuest R84712, with the silicon anti drain-back valve of the CarQuest 84712. At least for now, still $8.75 at either Walmart or Amazon. *However, the best deal is on CarQuest 84712 filters at Advance Auto this month, for just $5.35 ea. with online code 'DEC2'.
Great video! you should make an oil one next
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it. 👍🏻
agree! Synthetic, Motul, Brotella, and a few others. Definitely do one for oil if you can
I've been running Mobil 1 synthetic on my F series 2.5 Forester. I think I will switch it up to the Wix or Puralator depending on price/availability at my local wal-mart
great video. i use oem but am switching to the wix xp. thanks Robert.
You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed the video. 👍🏻
@@MrSubaru1387 i like the taller mazda filter but i have a magna flow exhaust and the different shape doesnt really allow for a taller filter, plus i change my oil about 2k miles anyway.
Just bought a 2020 Outback turbo with 5,077 miles on it. I run synthetic oil and do my own changes. Now I know what filter to use when the time comes. Thank you for the great info.
If you are among the few DIY like me consider becoming a Amsoil Preferred Customer. I have been a DIY oil change and basic maint. since 1986. I have used Amsoil products the past 15 years. As a Preferred customer you can get free shipping on $100 orders. They sell Wix filters and Amsoil brand which some say is the Wix XP. I like that they offer 3 levels of oil protection (Signature, XL, and OE). I generally use the XL series. They have a lot of product information and vehicle application on the website. Yes, not cheap but I like that they are a U.S. company (made is WI).
I called Mann-Hummel, manufacturers of the Mobil 1 M1-108A. They told me it has a bypass valve setting of 20-25 PSI and "no anti-drainback valve." I asked for a flow rate but the lady didn't have it in her system. I had gone to Mobil 1's website to look it all up, but the product data sheet was blank. I asked the lady if she had the PDS, and she said theat no, it was just stuff they had in their system. FWIW, they also manufacture Napa, Wix, Mann, and one more that I don't recall.
This really is such a great quality resource for all of us.
Thanks! Great to see inside that many different brands and levels.
I found a taller filter the other day that appears to give about 1/3 more capacity, but I don’t recall what brand etc it was.
Great job!
Thanks again for your investment and effort 😉👍
Wow...just did an oil change yesterday on my wrx and used the oem blue filter.
Wish i'd watched this 2 days ago lol.
Ty for doing these vids
easy enough to wind off a filter and wind another one on if you are genuinely concerned
@@yarpos having just built the motor myself, i was so i did.
So which one should I use for a 2021 STI?? Seems like Mazda one is highly favored but will it fit?? Not sure the model number though.
I expected more from a Subaru OEM.
Thanks for the time/money spent for this video.
You're welcome. Look at the latest video comparing Subaru USA OE vs Subaru Japanese OE. The Japanese, is of course, far superior.
Nothing wrong with using the oem US filter so long as one follows FSM suggested oil changes. However after seeing a few comparison videos, I’ll switch to the Wix XP, for only $1.50 more it has way better components than oem.
Metal end caps vs oem cardboard wth?! Silicone anti-drain back valve vs oem rubber, more synthetic filtering material per sq/in + wire backed mesh vs only cellulose in oem and the Wix can capture up to 21 microns @ 99% efficiency and it has a coiled spring bypass material vs oem stamped steel. For only $1.50 more, that’s a hell of a lot better filter than oem.
The standard Wix is 99% @ 23 microns, the XP is 99% @ 35 microns.
Ordered 4 denso oil filters from rockauto for 2006 subaru sti. Bee using oem blue filters and supertech oil filters.
Purolator now suggests pl14615 or pbl14615 due to bypass valve which they have set at 20-30 psi.
This will be the filter I would choose and also since iag performance requires it.
Most informative so far but nobody wants to test the filters. How to filter media response is very important as well as when the bypass valve actually functions and how effective is the anti drain back valve.
Spectacular! Thank you so much for taking the time to put this excellent tear down together! Kudos!
You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed the video. 👍🏻
Agree with what you've stated regarding the low-end Fram filters, however, think that the Fram Ultra deserves to be in your top filters list if only based on the filter media. It has a 99%+ filtration rating at 20 microns whereas Mobil One and Wix XP are rated at that same filtration rating at 30 and 35 microns, respectively. Not sure what the filtration rating is for the Tokyo Roki is, but can't think it would be much greater. The only drawback I see here for the Fram Ultra is that the bypass valve rating is lower at 13 psi (XG7317). Just installed this on a 2020 Forester, but this is a non-turbo engine. We shall see how it goes.
Hi, did the Fram XG7317 do well in your Subaru for the past 6 months? Any issues? I will use this same filter on my Crosstrek 2021 manual transmission but first I wish to hear some feedback from folks like yourself. Cheers.
I know I'm late to this one but WOW! Great Job! Thank you for taking the time to inform us all.
Thanks for making this video! I originally watched it a couple years ago. I've been using WIX XP with great results.
I've recently learned that Subaru has 2 lines of OEM filters. The Japanese made black Subaru filters are still sold int he USA. My WRX uses the one, which I purchase online.
I’ve been using wix for decades and will keep doing so and the XP filters are only 1.50$ more at my local Oreillys. Badly disappointed in Subie using Sham, I mean Fram filters which don’t meet their own specs. Looks like they are generating biz like joe dirt with firecrackers up a frogs bunghole
Thanks for taking the time to make and share this video. Very thorough and informative!!
THANK YOU Mr. Subaru for all you do and the great tip on flooring the gas pedal to just turn the engine over!! How does the Mobil 1 filter compare to the Japanese Subie filter? Where how can we buy the Japanese filter? Most grateful for all your info and work!
What many videos do not show is how Motorcraft Filters are one of only few companies using a thread end bypass, Wix, Napa, and Royal Purple all had outstanding design and when they got bought out, the designs changed and in my opinion they are a cheap design. No longer made with highest quality. Royal Purple Filters, Napa Gold and Wix have all changed from a nice steel base plate with thread end bypass, Silicone ADBV, evenly spaced holes and steel coil spring, solid canister casing. It would be interesting comparison how they have changed. Now Purolator is better than those. I currently use Motorcraft although I know they use a leaf spring and the Purolator is a decent design, the Boss is nice and it shows filter media is better than Motorcraft. Not a fan of dome end bypass. Many new oil filters displayed in videos don't even come close to what RP and Napa Wix used to be years ago. The new ACDelco E core is an embarrassment. Why do these companies think they can change a proven design and still have a loyal following for a cheaper product. They must think customers don't notice. I expected K and N to be higher quality, the dome end bypass design is cheap and does not look built with durability.