Fascism in America
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- Опубліковано 15 лют 2021
- Is “American Fascism” an oxymoron? Or, to paraphrase Malcom X, is Fascism as American as apple pie? Was the Capitol Insurrection the work of marginal extremists? Or the eruption of a neo-fascist movement? The answer depends on how one defines “fascism” and how one connects recent events to the American past.
Join the Institute for Public Knowledge at NYU and the Working Group on the Global New Right for a conversation about the current state of fascism in our society with Sarah Churchwell, Samuel Moyn, Melissa Murray, and Jason Stanley. Phil Gorski will moderate the conversation.
Sarah Churchwell is Chair in Public Understanding of the Humanities at the University of London’s School of Advanced Study. She writes on American cultural mythologies, especially of the interwar period, most recently in her book Behold, America: The Entangled History of America First and the American Dream (2018). She is finishing a book on Gone with the Wind and a collection of essays on the question of American fascism.
Samuel Moyn is Henry R. Luce Professor of Jurisprudence at Yale Law School and a Professor of History at Yale University. He has written several books in his fields of European intellectual history and human rights history, including The Last Utopia: Human Rights in History (2010), and edited or coedited a number of others.
Melissa Murray is the Frederick I. and Grace Stokes Professor of Law at New York University and Faculty Director of the Birnbaum Women’s Leadership Network. She was formerly the interim dean of the UC Berkeley Law School.
Jason Stanley is the Jacob Urowsky Professor of Philosophy at Yale University. Before coming to Yale in 2013, he was Distinguished Professor in the Department of Philosophy at Rutgers University. His latest book is How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them (Penguin Random House, 2018).
Philip Gorski is a comparative-historical sociologist at Yale University. His research focuses on the interaction of religion and politics in early modern and modern Europe and North America. He is the author, most recently, of “American Babylon: Democracy and Christianity Before and After Trump” (Routledge 2020). With Sam Perry, he is currently completing a book titled White Christian Nationalism: A Primer. - Розваги
Sarah Churchwell is superb. She should be given a seriously major platform in the public arena.
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I think it is high time for scholars to revisit the 1933 business plot, and how close then the US got to follow the footsteps of European fascism.
Business Plot didn't work, couldn't get a General to lead soldiers to a coup. Trump couldn't get General Milley to side with a coup either. I'd like to think our military's enlisted would not go along with a coup but there are a disturbing number of extremists who absolutely do side with insurrection.
Instead, the attempt to turn the US to fascism is in my uneducated opinion, well, it is succeeding, because instead of just trying to convince one man to get a fringe group of veterans to take over the government, they SUCCESSFULLY convinced nearly 48 million Americans that fascism under a GOP populist like Trump or DeSantis is the way forward for the country and that democracy is the enemy.
Its on the knife's edge
Most don't realize it's the reason America got the "New Deal" The pendulum swung back to socialism and a compromise kept us from fascist oligarchs. This time, the democrats are too bought to compromise. ✌️
@@tracyday6710 True . The industrialists wanted to own every aspect of daily life . See company towns like Aliquippa ( sp ) Steel town .
The Prescott Bush Coup?❤
whilst not everything bad is fascist, everything fascist is bad.
Sarah Churchwell seems to be the only one on the panel who's actually informed herself on what fascism is before coming into this discussion.
I agree with Malcom X that Fascism as American as apple pie.
The Fascists had a socialist arranged economy . The US is not that kind to their citizens .
Sarah is the only one taking this seriously.
It's disappointing that some of these disingenuous nut-jobs were even given a seat at the table here. Sarah displays a wealth of knowledge on the subject, unlike the clowns who deflect for political gain.
I love most of anything Churchill has to say in this video I have to say that there should have been a little bit more preface on Henry Ford and Hitler because a lot of people may not know that history that should be well known but it's somehow isn't when I talk to people.
Our schools teach White history with a smattering of immigrants, slaves and indigenous people. We must continue our own education throughout our lifetime.
I share Sarah’s frustration about people still debating whether fascism has come to America. Lord God. What do people want? Square moustaches and jackboots?
The fascists are soooo inside our OODA (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act) loop....we observe what they do and then debate whether or not they are fascists, whether what they are doing is fascisim or not, and we never move on to deciding they are and acting to stop them. We are stuck in reactive mode. Getting inside your adversary's OODA loop (completing your loop more quickly than your adversary) is how you overcome an adversaries "superior" capabilities.
Though Sam Moyn offers some valuable caveats as to the dangers of facile name-calling, he is indeed engaging in "Straw Manning," as J. Stanley suggests. Moyn’s parodic "everything is fascism" remark is glib and unwarranted: no one on the panel, nor any responsible thinker, says such a thing. Moreover, his dismissive "lists from the past" is a shallow and cavalier mischaracterization of Sarah Churchwell's work detailing the long, often forgotten and denied currents of fascism in the U.S., which surface over and over.
The elements of fascism are not really elusive or ambiguous, given the brilliant works of Hannah Arendt, Robert O. Paxton, Tim Snyder, and Sheldon Wolin, and are notably summarized by Chip Berlet:
“Fascism demands racial, ethnic, or cultural unity and the collective rebirth of a nation while seeking to purge demonized enemies that are often scapegoated as subversive and parasitic. Fascism is a form of authoritarian ultra-nationalism that glorifies action, violence, and a militarized culture. Fascism can exist as an ideology, a mass movement, or a form of state government. Fascism attacks both liberal democratic pluralism and left-wing revolutionary movements while proposing a totalitarian version of populist mass politics.” ~ Chip Berlet, “When Alienation Turns Right: Populist Conspiracism, the Apocalyptic Style, and Neo- fascist Movements.” In Lauren Langman & Devorah Kalekin Fishman, The Evolution of Alienation: Trauma, Promise, and the Millennium (Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield, 2005), p. 116.
Amid the current orgy of violence promoted by MAGA death threats, and the GOP war on reality with its "theories without evidence" (Giuliani), what Michiko Kakutani observed about both Nazism and Soviet Communism provokes chills of recognition: both were “predicated upon the destruction of truth-upon the recognition that cynicism and weariness and fear can make people susceptible to the lies and false promises of leaders bent on unconditional power.” ~ Lecture: “The Destruction of Truth.” Amor mundi (Hannah Arendt Center), 10-29-2020.
Comment with sources and sense gets so much less traction than awful apologists who are like I don’t see anything wrong. My family is in an American concentration camp because they are brown and needed to be cleared as adopted but okay nothing is fascist at all for people to see
There is absolutely nothing wrong with "Fascism talk" if it is legitimate, and right now in this country it is extremely legitimate!! I couldn't disagree with that professor more!!
@Meme Memeson I need to see it. You have seen it. Could you tell me what keywords I should google?
I love Sarah's book. It could be said that fascism originated in some ways right here in America.
Fascism.is.good.for.u.s.a.
It.cannot.be.exported.like
Democracy.the.rest.ot.the
World.will.be.happy.good
Riddence
@randall gregerson: Fas cis m has nothing to do with am eri ca whatsoever.
@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. Not true . The American Bunde's Black Shirts beg to differ .
@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. begin your research here.
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NO WAY...
If fascism means a concern for one's nation that is being ignored by the current elite then I suppose it (fascism} has always been with us.
You must have missed the long list of things that have happened over the last 6 years or so that Sarah mentioned. "concern for one's nation' was not one of them, though I think we know what Mark Twain thinks of your Rhetoric.
The new “republicans”don’t know that they’re Fascist. They call themselves “patriots” or Nationalists ,( if they’re halfway truthful ) Trump has called himself a Nationalist on more than one occasion. Wikipedia 😎
I can't believe she ever got her degree she sounds like a first grader talking to everybody
For clarification we should say North America or the United States of America.
The fascists are soooo inside our OODA (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act) loop....we observe what they do and then debate whether or not they are fascists, whether what they are doing is fascisim or not, and we never move on to deciding they are and acting to stop them. We are stuck in reactive mode. Getting inside your adversary's OODA loop (completing your loop more quickly than your adversary) is how you overcome an adversaries "superior" capabilities.
Fordhams got to North America in 1631. Fordhams used their own ships in service of the Revolution. A 7 yr old Fordham died in the Revolution,.
17❤ yr old
I’m worried, there are so few comments after a year since this discussion was posted. Can it be that no one cares? The dumbing down of America is in progress.
It's because UA-cam buries content like this. They also take comments away. I commented on this video a year ago and my comment is gone. UA-cam monitors the comments on videos that tell the truth about America. Many people who are at the top of the UA-cam organization are former CIA and State Department employees. The WION channel on UA-cam did a whole video listing the names of these people at UA-cam. They are trying to move small content creator off of UA-cam making it a place for corporate perspectives
It’s filled with guy Williams spewing idiocy and some commenter who feels jimmy dore as truth… so yes upsetting
I've been ranting about dumbing down for decades. It leads to an easily manipulated public. Education is very important. You might want to read a lot of all you have is an American public education. Read. As in good old paper books.
@@karenatha7890everyone should read a lot, regardless. Education is a lifelong endeavor.
The fascists are soooo inside our OODA (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act) loop....we observe what they do and then debate whether or not they are fascists, whether what they are doing is fascisim or not, and we never move on to deciding they are and acting to stop them. We are stuck in reactive mode. Getting inside your adversary's OODA loop (completing your loop more quickly than your adversary) is how you overcome an adversaries "superior" capabilities.
Excellent discussion.
I thought we had this conversation a few times before ☹️
Are there Lions in the Serengeti?
Trump is the most masculine person to ever hold the White House !?!? With makeup and Hairspray galore ?
Trump uses more makeup and hairspray than my wife!
The black, grey, white, beige, khaki and purple shirts... they could never be accused of being intelligently creative.
Cult of personality and one party state is not the end all or even relevant to fascism. Again, the debate is down to definition. I would argue Trump was, among other factors, too intellectually deficient to be accurately defined as consciously fascist, though I would not say the same of Bannon, Miller, Pompeo and a crew of people actually governing.
Cult of personality and one party state are implicit in fascism. You're the one who needs to get his facts straight.
@@markhasleton6403 You might want to learn what a fact is ... and a bit of training in logical falacies. Ie: UUSR, China and Cuba were all one party states who enjoyed a charismatic powerhouse at one time or other.
@@antondalemma5484 yours is the fallacy ; the fact that other , non fascist regimes have also had cults of pesonality in no way logically refutes my claim that ALL fascist ones do. Logic is not your strong point.
@@markhasleton6403 Senti, I'll remove "or even relevant to fascism" if it makes you happy, even if there are examples where the question of "personality cult" has been highly contested. On "fact." Definitions of ideologies are not facts ... just as political science is not a science. I'm 60 year old socialist who has been anti-fascist since my mid teens. I stand by my original statement and fail to see how your criticism is accurate or even rel event. If you anti-fascist, go well. If your a liberal with Trump derangement syndrome, I wish you well and good day. .
No , he is culturally fascist .
My grandparents fled Italy under fascism, they both laugh at anyone that even considers America exercising anything remotely close to fascism.
Aren't you the teacher on Beavis and Butt-Head?
please put this up again.
Only a Stalinist would argue that fascism exists anywhere in the world, at any time since 1945. Stalin died thinking Hitler and Mussolini were still after him. That insanity still lives, as we see in this video.
How many fascist countries are there? How many fascist leaders are there with more than 0 followers? How many copies of The Fascist Manifesto by Bonito Mussolini were sold every year at every college bookstore in the US making it a perennial bestseller? Oh, that was the Communist Manifesto. My bad.
henry ford number 2 . in 1954 untill 2010 started burning extra gas . why?>? in most films ,the bad people use ford built, why???
Yes, yes, yes. I have been arguing for years that settler colonialism is fascism and requires traditional fascist tools to implement.
Dumbest comment i've ever heard.
If facism comes to America it will come in the liberal party.
@@tychonovavontacocat8390 Agreed. Pairs well with 'scratch a liberal, get a fascist."
Everyday people in America are not in favor of this, though, not even people in red states who voted for Trump. Doesn't that indicate that there's something wrong with American politics? A lot of people don't like this because it seems like the only option is to overturn the government and create something new, and very few people want that.
Most Germans were swept up in Naziism, rather than being "in favor" of it....the banality of evil. Look carefully at what you are going along with, or allowing to happen.
Fascism is built from the bottom up.
Oligarchy is built from the top down.
Minute 8:00 "Nostalgic agrarian", is condescending.
They're also not pushing for one party state all conservatives believe that there should be a balance
wow 😆 these people have no idea whose in congress or what congress does, or maybe what anyone outside of their tiny little world does for a living
Why is the U.S. of North Amerikkka depressing.
You don't want to define fascism but then proceed to throw around the label.
For God sake:Is not even a question.America is a fascious in mamy way and has its roots in the veri begining of it's history.Had you forgot Native American?Had you forgot, that América today with regard to minorities is not different from what it was back then
@Jesus Morales : Fa sci sm has not been a thing since the w w2 Italy, hun.
Facism is not the cause of every bad thing in history ....Imperialism is what allowed for the genocide of the natives . Not Fascism .
@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. A party using the same methods exclusive to what we now call fascism existed in the 20s . But the tenets predate the party and those tenets are still at play today .
@@georgeelmerdenbrough6906 : Nope. Nobody has been advocating for revolu tionary socia lism lately.
@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. You use a lot of air just to be oxygen deprived .
Get rid of the liberal party start supporting America and stop blaming the other party for your failures
YOU MEAN WOKENESS... LAWLESSNESS.. UNRESPONSABLE ACTS . OF DO WHAT YOU LIKE . THE DISPEAKABLE ACTIONS AGAINST M O R A L I T Y 🕛
Is that all Sarah?
No he's never pushed cultism
I find that the moment people hear that there is imergent Fascism in the US that people assume its just political hyperbole . Just like the " Punch a Nazi " rhetoric of eight years ago . I assumed it was just theatrics . I was wrong . The presence of NAZI counter protesters is now knownn to be true . Perhaps we should find a new word to describe Fascism ?
American Religiosity. American sense of individualism. Worship of wealth and celebrity. A tragic educational system. A sense of powerlessness in politics. Separation from nature. These are causes of fascist ideals. They need a strongman so they can't relax the fighting. It's definitely fascism. And we don't need another word for it. We simply need to recognize it and respond with whatever it takes to stop it. Luck, it's all we have left...
Fascism is fascism. Or call it Hitler's way. Strong words are called for. THIS is very serious.
@@karenatha7890what is fascism exactly?
Maybe we need a new word, maybe we don't....but we definitely have a new "brand"...MAGA! Why is the definition so important, is the war of words more important than the war of actions? The fascists are soooo inside our OODA (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act) loop....we observe what they do and then debate whether or not they are fascists, whether what they are doing is fascisim or not, and we never move on to deciding they are and acting to stop them. We are stuck in reactive mode. Getting inside your adversary's OODA loop (completing your loop more quickly than your adversary) is how you overcome an adversaries "superior" capabilities.
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I find Prof. Moyn incoherent.
Just like facebook.
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Ohhh, this version of fascism! I almost forgot it. Many now just say "right wing=fascism"
@JM: There is only one version of fascism and it comes from the far left.
@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. A neurological disorder linked to brain lateralization causing cognitive dysfunction referred to as left-right disorientation is quite common. It's nothing to be ashamed of; many people get left and right mixed up. But yes, fascism is a far-right ideology. Just check a dictionary if you're not sure.
@@brett22bt : Nope. Fascism was a socialist ideology founded by 2 socialists. Has nothing to do with right wing whatsoever. Go read some history, buddy.
@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. LOL, Beleive me, I have read the history. Do you really want to get into this? Isn't it weird don't you think that the first people Hitler sent to the Death camps were socialists? He also hated communists. Have you ever heard of the Eastern front? You right-wing nutjobs really like to deflect this one away, but that's not gonna fly with me.
Mussolini abandoned socialism to creat Fascism. Hitler was never a socialist and used the Nazi Party to gain control. Fascism comes from the Darwinian principles that only the fittest shall survive and is anti-egalitarian in nature. It's based on racial supremacy and ultra-nationalism. Hitler formed close ties with powerful financial elites and destroyed the union movement. He suppressed workers' rights and enacted one of the largest known slave labour forces in human history. Hitler banned the communist party as soon as he gained power in 1933 and purged the left-wing members of the Nazi Party on the night of the long knives. It's impossible to be more anti-left than this.
huh, I wonder why socialists and leftists were persecuted under every fascist government if they were such good friends
NYU? More like NY Poo
No doubt your best .
Ms Churchwell while your opinion would be worth a lot more if you got off that political wagon because fascism only matters if you're in charge. When Trump ran the country he did a great job as a president. Biden on the other hand in the Liberal Party have proven to be a mess
They did not give a definition of fascism but there's a lot of pointing to fascism and simply calling something something doesn't make it something. We need to evaluate it by the definition.
sarah churchwell so on point holy shit
Prof Murray is accurate and clear but far too reductionist. While its fair to cite the patriarchal nature of fascism, research into rise of German fascism and striking proof in current rise of American fascism highlights the large roll women play in the fascist movement.
From the sidelines .
"Kinder, Küche, Kirche" isn't much of a role in society.
right. women who are deeply socialized under patriarchy. not women who center and uphold feminine power.
These people really expected lots of views!! 😂😂😂😂
Nope, just for you, to see yourself as a facist.
yep clueless ppl
Sarah seems to be book learned she sounds like a recording. This show seems to be spreading misinformation. Political bias
Ignorant biased professor accidentally promotes fascism in the name of fighting fascism.
Citation ?
You gave Cgevron outting Steve Donziger in jail,
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Chevron putting
Yes, the Democrat Party is absolutely fascist lite. Both codified American political parties are complicit in fascist movement. Question is whether the use of fascist toolls makes one a fascist.
Funny.
Well it is surely a step in the wrong direction.
When I think of fascism, I think of political rallies. Democrats don't do those, Trump does rallies. You see a sea of red MAGA hats and flags. Reminds me of fanatical 1930s Germany.
Fa sci s m h as n ot b een a thi ng si nc e the w w2 It al y.
The Fascist party died in WW2 not Fascism , dingbat
😂If you're American you live in. Fascist country. Corporations run your country. You are living in a country where the FIRST corporations were PLANTATIONS. You are a worker, making wealth for the "planter class" who separates you from the people you have the most in common with based on race.
@@lf1496 : Fasci sm has nothing to do with "corporations running the country" though. That's not how fasc ism worked.
Even know fascism usually starts in a society in the labor union parties it was formed out of the Communist Party and when Mussolini got a hold of it he kind of perfected it and he used the labor party but it was it came out of the Communist Party
Trump wasn't supported? Uhhhhh lol. Yes he was. It's been frightening and he's running again!
Everyday fascism looks more and more appealing
Cool, move to North Korea then.
@@mrmanifesto communism =/= fascism
@@mrmanifesto the point is to protect our democracy. Democracy takes participation and work.
Agreed!
@@jgionnvdjovfdpm communism and fascism dont = eachothor.They dont even have the same ideas for that to happen.
This is complete BS. As someone who lives outside America, I guess I know more about US than these clowns. hahahahha
Lol
Is Trump a fascist? - absolutely without a doubt.
What is a fascist? - well I won't define it because I don't want to get into technicalities.
Pssst - she won't define it because YOU are the fascists
Can you Explain your your claim?
Communism in the USA is far more prevalent.
How so? Provide one example of communism in America.
@@honestreviewer3283 AntiFa, Left Wing Professors in Universities, Most of the Educational System, Cultural Marxism (Wokeism), etc.
Not a single public office in the entire USA is held by a communist. Not one.
@@liennnamenhab3631 No one will openly admit to communism, it would be political death. Their policies and actions on the other hand say otherwise.
@@John3.36 Uh huh. America fought WW2 to defeat fascism, so that pretty much makes America "AntiFa." There are plenty of conservative professors out there (e.g., Yale, Chicago School of Economics, etc.), but the funny thing is, the better educated you get, the less attractive conservative and right-wing ideology gets (i.e., it's not an accident most institutions of higher learning lean left). (Donald Trump wasn't lying when he said he "loves" the "poorly educated." The less people know, the easier they are to fool.) Most of the educational system? Ah, yes, because they're apparently teaching CRT (even though there's not a single elementary or high school in America that does; CRT is a legal theory taught only in some very specific, higher-level law classes at just a handful of universities). Wokeism? Wokeism is stupid, we can probably agree on that one, but treating people equally and fairly regardless of their color, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc. isn't. Live and let live, I say. Cultural Marxism? Millions of American women just had their personal autonomy stripped away by a conservative SCOTUS (e.g., the government can now tell them what they can and cannot do with their own bodies), so I'd say Evangelical Christianity is far more prevalent and impactful these days than "Cultural Marxism" (whatever you think that is).