Flaked Grains Comparison - Body Enhancing Adjuncts for NEIPA

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  • Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
  • It's Flaked Barley vs Flaked Wheat vs Flaked Oats!
    Curious about which flaked grains to put into your NEIPA? These body enhancing adjuncts like flaked wheat, flaked barley, and flaked oats are put to the test.
    John created a series of small batch beers, with a bittering charge of Columbus hops and Mosaic hops added for flavor & aroma. Each beer's grain bill was 25% flaked adjunct and 75% base malt so we could do a side by side of the effect each had on the final product.
    John asked Mike to taste each one and then pick a favorite while trying to describe how each beer compared to the other.
    Both John and Mike seemed to find the flaked wheat beer the most enjoyable.
    Tell us about your flaked grain preferences when building NEIPA recipes.
    CHEERS!
    #BeerExperiments #BeerComparisons #BrewDudes
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 85

  • @geekUGH2
    @geekUGH2 3 роки тому +4

    I really love your videos because they are interesting, fun and like two good friends having fun without having to think about making money! That is the real spirit! Very good comparison!

  • @MRW3455
    @MRW3455 3 роки тому +3

    Genuinely thought provoking, instructive and worthwhile. Nice to see quality content to help us brew better, rather than the attention grabbing excessively pointless quirky experiments on other channels. Great work dudes 👍🏻

  • @tedmac278
    @tedmac278 3 роки тому +1

    Great video! I’ve always wondered about flaked barley. Thanks again for the solid content.

  • @curtpick628
    @curtpick628 3 роки тому +3

    Great comparison dudes. I think he's right on the proteins subduction of the hops. As always good stuff. Stay safe!

  • @JimmyJusa
    @JimmyJusa 3 роки тому +3

    Great video, I use base malt, wheat malt, and flaked oats for my hazies.

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому +1

      Absolutely! - John

    • @JimmyJusa
      @JimmyJusa 3 роки тому

      @@BrewDudes I've been using crisp best ale as my base recently and have gotten good feedback.

  • @brianbarker2670
    @brianbarker2670 3 роки тому +2

    Another good video, thank you. What's your opinion on flaked rice and flaked rye?

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      Haven't done enough brewing with them to say - I know rice vs. corn is getting worked on as a video idea. - John

  • @jaymayne108
    @jaymayne108 3 роки тому +1

    I guess that's why Ron Pattison said that beer in England was crap in WW II was the government made the brewers use flaked barley, besides lowering gravity

    • @CountDrunkula
      @CountDrunkula 3 роки тому +1

      Every time he's on the Beer Smith podcast I love it. Especially ranting about people putting smokey or peatey flavours into Scottish beer. I always thought - oh, he does old stuff and that doesn't matter any more - then I read some of his stuff and love it.

    • @jaymayne108
      @jaymayne108 3 роки тому

      @@CountDrunkula I love Ron, have been following him for years on Shut up about Barclays

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      Makes sense!

  • @MrYou105
    @MrYou105 3 роки тому

    I’ve used fl oats and wheat malt in NEIPA but am now tempted to try combo of fl oats and wheat on the next one. Good video as always guys!

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      Sounds great! Thank you.

  • @oldschoolman1444
    @oldschoolman1444 3 роки тому +3

    I like flaked oats in my IPA, adds to the body imo. Haven't tried flaked wheat and oats, guess I'll have to give it a try.
    Cheers! =)

  • @grumpycyclist3319
    @grumpycyclist3319 3 роки тому

    Great experiment! Thanks Mike and John...

  • @TheTrueCelt28
    @TheTrueCelt28 3 роки тому

    Great side by side! Thanks for the information.

  • @WreckedBrewery
    @WreckedBrewery 3 роки тому

    Great comparison. I often wondered some of the differences with the flaked options. Cheers!

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому +1

      We have a few more iterations in discussion. Thanks for watching! -Mike

  • @felixsteinhardt8836
    @felixsteinhardt8836 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the video! One other option which is my prefered one: Chit malt. Scott jahnish published a study in his "New IPA" book and it states that unmalted grains have much (!) more manganese in it, which is a catalyst for oxidation and that is probably why NEIPAs oxidize so fast. Chit malt does not have this problem and it is very rich in proteins so you get the haze just as fine. Jahnish tried it himself and found out that a NEIPA with chit malt was stable for many month while the one made with unmalted grains went down hill rather fast even with his professional brewing technique. I use 10% chit malt in my NEIPAs and it works really great! Since I'm in Germany I'm bound to the Reinheitsgebot so my only other option would be wheat malt, but I just don't like it tastewise.

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому +1

      Stay tuned - I have a Scott Janish NEIPA to taste soon that was brewed with Chit malt. - John

  • @nozzde
    @nozzde 3 роки тому

    Thank you for this nice comparison. Im a big fan of flaked wheat and sometimes flaked barley. For oats I prefer it malted, because of less oxidation. And I do mostly hoppy beers. Cheers!

  • @PutnamBrew
    @PutnamBrew 3 роки тому

    This came at the right time. Just brewed and tasted a NEIPA that I didn’t make with oats, this one time and the color is different than what I’ve gotten before pit of the same recipe. All three look great!

  • @joakimnilsson2245
    @joakimnilsson2245 3 роки тому

    Despite the problem with sparging,i always aim for 20% Oats.Its a given for me.Cheers!

  • @tman9338
    @tman9338 3 роки тому

    Good show.!!! Always wanted 2 know the differences. Gonna load up on flaked Wheat !!!!

  • @thomashood3748
    @thomashood3748 3 роки тому

    Good experiment! I enjoyed.
    Suggestion:
    Double decoction munich dunkle compared to single infusion munich dunkle with identical recipes

  • @TheKlamminator
    @TheKlamminator 3 роки тому

    I also like oat malt in my NEIPAs

  •  3 роки тому

    Great video as usual guys. Thanks

  • @Newcastle276
    @Newcastle276 3 роки тому

    GREAT VIDEO. Thanks to you guys

  • @chrisleslie1405
    @chrisleslie1405 3 роки тому

    Nice video as usual!

  • @JP_Idols_of_Torment
    @JP_Idols_of_Torment 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for that.
    1. Curious if you mill your flakes? I never have but just stumbled across a Wit recipe that explicitly stated to mill the flaked wheat. Weird...
    2. Would love to see a comparison of malted wheat, flaked wheat, and torrified wheat. I know there is a hard line for wheat type for German (weiss) vs Belgian (wit) but always wondered about impacts on flavour and body and how they might support decisions in things like White IPAs (quickly becoming my favourite style of IPA)
    Cheers.

    • @Soupy_loopy
      @Soupy_loopy 3 роки тому +1

      I never mill flakes. Seems like it could clog up the mill, plus it is not necessary. I don't think the brewers grain mill would do much to break up flakes. You could use a flour mill, but then you would have flour. I guess if you really want to break up the flakes for some reason, you could put them in a food processor.

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      Yeah, I don't mill the flakes. I add them in after the milled grains. I can add the malted vs. flaked vs. torrified wheat comparison to the list! - John

  • @djup_skogen
    @djup_skogen 3 роки тому

    Thanks for doing this one! I think I suggested it a while back and I am still trying to work out what the flaked grains should look like in my house stout recipe. This should help me simplify quite a bit.
    I have heard people describe flaked barley as “grassy” I wonder if that is what you both perceived as a difference in hop character, but rather coming from the barley.

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      I don't recall it being grassy but it wasn't as pleasant as the other too. Not bad, just not as good. - John

  • @CascadesHomebrew
    @CascadesHomebrew 3 роки тому

    Really great stuff! I have been wanting to so something similar myself. It would have been cool to mix in a control beer that was 100% barley. I am also wanting to play around with Briess Carapils vs Weyermann Carafoam...and Scott Janish wrote that steeping Carapils might have more impact than adding it to the mash. The head on those beers seemed fine as well. In the past I had blamed some head retention issues in my Oatmeal Stout on the 15% Oats.

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      Yeah, I was surprised at the lack of haze but the good head retention. - John

  • @sandyspurrell3217
    @sandyspurrell3217 3 роки тому +1

    Wish you could include flaked corn in this comparison to see where it stands.

    • @TheFloaterjoe
      @TheFloaterjoe 3 роки тому

      That should be a different video flaked corn vs flaked rice. Vs something flaked I don't know about haha

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому +1

      Your patience will be rewarded! -Mike

  • @samueljohnson2536
    @samueljohnson2536 3 роки тому

    I agree with your descriptions, but disagree with your rankings! I like using flaked barley as it doesn't create as many protein-polyphenol particles/compounds, which gives more hop character and less hop bite. My experience with oats and wheat is that they are aggressively hoppy when young (and the hop bite is too strong) and once aged, the hop character has fallen below what I would want for a NEIPA. I'd be curious what your thoughts are on samples that are dry hopped as that seems to be where I get most of my hop bite from. Great video!

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому +1

      Yes, I think if I dry hopped these beers, we may have a different experience. I also think the lack of dry hopping is the reason these beers aren't as hazy as one may expect. - John

  • @wrayzor97
    @wrayzor97 3 роки тому

    This video might’ve saved me. I was gonna do a NEIPA with equal parts of all three this weekend. I’m questioning if I should still do it now.

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      Know we're late to respond but hope the NEIPA turned out well. - John

    • @wrayzor97
      @wrayzor97 3 роки тому

      @@BrewDudes I cut out the barley and it turned out good despite really slow fermentation even though I used imperial dry hop.

  • @dexterne
    @dexterne 3 роки тому

    You are killing me! Both of my kegs are dry, and my latest pale ale is still in the fermenter. Had to drink white wine tonight. Sigh. I should really get my one gallon carboys back in rotation.

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      1 gallon batches could be an option for you. - John

  • @poisonpotato1
    @poisonpotato1 3 роки тому +1

    Can you or have you done an experiment on head retention?

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      No but we could. - John

  • @irrlicht6997
    @irrlicht6997 3 роки тому +1

    So what's the difference between Flaked xxxxx and Flaked Torrefied xxxxx? I've never learnt the difference.

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      Maybe we can do another comparison video!

  • @Divided_Highway
    @Divided_Highway 3 роки тому +1

    25% percent flaked oats and 5% white wheat, not flaked wheat for big, juicy ones. 15% white wheat and 10% flaked oats for more crisp, chuggable session NE pale ales.
    Also where’s the haze?!?!

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      I am guessing no drying hopping means not a lot of haze. - John

  • @nivek204
    @nivek204 3 роки тому

    Video idea - 30/60/90 minute boil with 100% pilsner malt to finally bust the DMS myth

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      I will add it to the list. - John

  • @jonathanwilliams1974
    @jonathanwilliams1974 3 роки тому

    Curious why you chose to use US-05 for a NEIPA comparison?

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому +1

      It's what I had on hand and these weren't NEIPAs - just beers with flaked grains in them brewed to gather a data point for future NEIPAs.

  • @chrisz8532
    @chrisz8532 3 роки тому

    I wish I had an awesome dude make 3 different beers for me to drink! 🍻

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      Ha - yeah, they are rare.

  • @dave007j
    @dave007j 3 роки тому +1

    I was able to guess right just based on the color of each. Out of curiosity, will those stay hazy for you as they age? I think youv’e got to dry hop during fermentation to get the lasting haze.

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      I wish the beers lasted long enough to see but yeah, I am sure they drop clear after some time. - John

  • @hatherlow
    @hatherlow Рік тому

    If they have such a small effect , why bother adding them at all. Wonder if the complex recipes with soo many types of grain is a cumulative result of FOMO

  • @moochydacat
    @moochydacat 3 роки тому +1

    Oats seem to give it the frothiest taste! i think because its so milky.

    • @CountDrunkula
      @CountDrunkula 3 роки тому

      It's those beta glucans, man - they turn your beer into micro-porridge.

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      True!

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      Right on!

  • @marklpaulick
    @marklpaulick 3 роки тому

    Next up: malted vs flaked vs torrified wheat

    • @BrewDudes
      @BrewDudes  3 роки тому

      Bingo! Maybe not next but in the future.