I got Samsung's 43 inch QN90B Neo QLED last year, having never used a VA panel before, and was surprised at how bad ghosting was on it. I wish there had been a review of it as in-depth as this one because I wouldn't have bought it if I had known. For some reason, any reviews that mentioned ghosting didn't stress how bad it is or show examples. It's a credit to you that your reviews are so comprehensive. Keep it up! 🙂
I have that TV as my desktop screen, and I haven't found it to be too bad so far. But it could definitely be better and the ghosting is definitely noticeable. However it's a pretty big step up from the monitor I had before, which was a pretty cheap curved ASUS Strix 32" monitor from 2017, so I guess for me it was a matter of perspective.
@@ItsIcedDonut Maybe it varies by panel and is just a case of luck of the draw? The one Tim reviewed here was surprisingly bad compared to other models he's reviewed before, so maybe that was a bad panel while the others were ok? Who knows!
Same, got QN90C 43 and it's VA panel. It's not that bad but still hate it cause it's my first time using VA panel, ghosting really noticable because I always use TN, IPS and Oled panel, didn't know the ghosting was that bad on VA panel
I'm a very moderate PC gamer (mostly PS5 on the main TV) and will use this as a home PC/work from home office entertainment solution. Considered a few OLEDs but there is huge risk for burn-in with how I use my home PC monitor. Great review! Oh and I got it on massive discount during Prime Day sales.
Could you test the 43inch QN90b for a comparison. That should be the TV Version of this monitor and apparently has much better motion performance while being a lot cheaper. It also has a semi gloss coating, which some (me for example) prefer.
@@ruk11125yeah but if you could read you’d notice that the gloss coating is preferable even on a monitor to some. I’d like to be able to shut my curtains and have darker perceived black levels.
@@ruk11125 They are also apparently not the same. According to rtings, the qn90b has really good morion handling, is around 30% (600nits vs 450nits) brighter for fullscreen brightness and 50% (900nits vs 600nits) brighter for the 10% window test.
I really really wanted to see this review as well! about a year ago when I got the C2 OLED but couldn't find much to be able to compare and I still feel sometimes I wish I would've gone that route
@Joao_M I tested the 43" QN90B, the FALD was a big disappointment, bought an LG C2 instead. This is set to SDR 38 brightness and HDR 66 brightness. Not much affected by ABL with office/ productifity in SDR mode with 38% brightness. My LG C9 is at 100% brightness, and still 0 burn-in despite sometimes static images. Disadvantage C2: if you want to be sure of no burn-in, I have reduced the brightness. But C2 is next to a large window, during the day in the summer 38% is not really nice, then I sometimes switch to HDR with 66% brighness, this is bright enough, but you again suffer from ABL and more chance of burn-in with productivity. Fortunately, black really stays black with little reflection. Don't buy a C2 when you do a lot of productivity
Just bought this monitor today & I can confirm most of the downsights mentioned, on the other hand I plan to use it mainly for productivity and coding. So far it meets expectations greatly and you don't have to worry about OLED burning in from code editor 8h/day static images.
FYI, this beast is on sale at Amazon for $549. Maybe they are discontinuing it. Rtings gave the G7 neo rave reviews. But they were talking about the 32-in curved version. I stupidly assumed the 43 would have similar stellar performance, so I'm kind of choking on your review because I just ordered this thing. Still, I am not a gamer. I just need a monitor to pull double duty as a TV set. This will be a secondary monitor, with my primary monitor pulling heavy duty for color pre-press and design work. If I can calibrate this thing to be somewhere in the neighborhood of my main monitor, I'll be satisfied. Was also hoping to get at least 120 hz @ 4K, but from the sound of your review, I might be better off just running it at 60. I appreciate your investment in your content. This was very extensive and very helpful. Thank you.
I just got the original 32inch neo G7 for 800 bucks and I love it. It's crazy how close it gets to my CX oled in hdr. Yet it gets significantly brighter and I don't have to worry about burn in.
I got a returned unit for around the same price, and unfortunately it had a weird issue displaying blacks. No matter how much much I tinkered on it, I just couldn't get it to look right. Also, I wasn't a fan of the curve.
@@Batman-bh6vw the curve was my biggest concern before buying. And I was fully prepared to return it if I couldn't adjust to the curve within the first few days. But as soon as I turned it on I new that I loved the curve. Doesn't matter if i'm doing productivity tasks, watching something or playing a game, the curve subtly enhances everything.
I had the old 1440p 240hz Odyssey G7 previously and hated it. It had so many issues but I think the most annoying one was scanlines in the corners. I sold it to a friend for $400 and was glad to be rid of it.
I got a used Neo g8 for 800 at micro center and it was a steal. Basically still new with the plastic wrap no scuffs etc. the Neo g7/g8 are one of the best non OLED monitors
The 32" G7 would obviously be faster since the it takes less time to get to the edges since they are closer together due to the curved panel. Also, the back likely has more speed holes.
As for the Native TV apps in a PC "Monitor", one reason might be that not all content will play fully unlocked on a PC/Windows. Just found out that Disney Plus won't let you do 4k-HDR in Windows, even if you use the MS store app. Only reserved for streaming device and TV apps. So could be a handy feature in those rare occurrences.
Were you using a modern Intel CPU with an iGPU, on a supported and updated browser, and on Windows? D+ is prolly using Widevine for DRM like other Streaming services. If the WV security levels work like they do on Android you have three levels of DRM security where lower is better (L1, L2, L3). Your video decoder (iGPU/dGPU), browser, OS, etc can affect the WV level. Like 5+ years ago Netflix made it a requirement that Intel Quick Sync Video 6 (Kabylake 7000 series) was the min requirement for 4k and Im very confident that was a WV security thing (no real proof, so grain of salt if you will). I highly doubt AMD iGPUs or AMD/Nvidia dGPUs are supported as a trusted video decoder. So modern Intel QSV versions are prolly the only thing that can get you a good WV security level, and thus only 4k supported video decoder on computer.
I bought it too, 3 weeks ago. It is making me really happy. Replaced the MSI G274QPF-QD, was 409€ , had horrible contrast and was emmiting too much light at night even on 0, my old VA panel was better than that and it was like 140€ 7yrs ago.
@2Guapo There is only one issue remaining, i had to disconnect and reconnect my displayport cable otherwise it stucks at 60hz and not at 144hz , everytime i shut down my laptop, but this is because I'm using slow cables dp 1.2
@@randomguy36j98 otherwise ghosting not as bad as orignally stated? I was at my local bestbuy tonight, but new in town and they closed earlier than I expected.
Thanks I contacted you asking for a review on this product - as always, you delivered & have answered every question I had about this product. Therefore, I wanted to thank you personally as you have saved me from buying this product to replace my current gaming monitor. At the moment I use an Asus ROG Swift PG32UQ which I bought at the time of original release, I use it for Console Gaming on both PS5 and XBOX Series X and to be honest I'm happy enough with the picture quality, apart from the HDR being very poor quality. However, due to the combination of my eyesight not being particularly brilliant & the distance I sit away from the screen I struggle to see things clearly, hence why I'm looking at Monitors of screen sizes around the 43" mark of this 1. Is there any specific product(s) you can recommend to for use with Next Gen Consoles at this screen size bracket that can provide similar picture quality as my existing Monitor but provide a better HDR experience? Caveat to this being that it must have full HDMI 2.1 support so I can take advantage of the 120hz and VRR capabilities of my PS5 & XBOX Series X Many Thanks again and especially for responding to my request so quickly with such a superb quality review 👌
I got really (REALLY) excited by the title of this video. A bigger, flatter Neo G7? YES PLEASE! But then reality set in. This is clearly a "converted tv" panel. Excellent review. Superb really. And timely for me. thank you! If i went based on the marketing on the box, this panel looks _perfect_ for my needs. But it would seem the box lies. I've been begging Samsung for a 40" (ish) Neo G7 which is the same tech as the 32" 4k va version, just "bigger" (and less curved). But this ain't _that_
Its not that bad if you can get it at the $499 price its been going around for lately. Even the response rate smear was barely noticeable with the right settings, and it being a VA panel that's a given. My only real complaint with this kind of display is the smart hub/OSD. Its annoying and convoluted, but once you can set it up you don't have to use it that much, unless you deal with multiple inputs. Check out the Gigabyte FV43U if you want one that's closer to being a pure monitor, better brightness but the contrast ratio will suffer a bit.
@@deuswulf6193 I wouldn't set up a smart hub. It would never get connected to the internet. It would only display signals from the graphics card, and nothing further. The security of "smart" devices is unimaginably bad. But I'm willing to believe that the testing done in the video _may_ have been with the wrong settings. That happens. I'll be curious to see if other reviews, or a follow up on this channel, bears that out :) $499 is a good price... but it kinda suggests that the performance isn't there, when the 32" Neo G7 VA 4k pannel is twice that much.
@@kathrynck Yup, well the "smart hubs" in TVs are part of the reasons TVs are so cheap these days, as they expect to earn money from the "smart hub" apps and services. When you mix that fact with the niche market of 43" monitors, their asking price, as well as a generally oversaturated market for all types of monitors, they end up with a lot of inventory that is taking up space. The aggressive discount (50% off the $1000 MSRP) means they want to clear out that inventory, not necessarily that the product is bad. 32 inch monitors and 34 inch ultrawides are currently some of the most popular, and they probably see far higher profit margins in those categories. VA also has less appeal now a days due to OLED getting cheaper.
You probably have a backlog of monitors to review, but I would love to see you review the LG UltraGear 45" OLED and also the Samsung G9 OLED, with maybe a comparison of the two side by side? Most YT channels that show the two monitors are not true 'reviews' but rather showcases that do no comparison at all. They always say the same thing for every monitor: "OLED", "true blacks", "immersive", "burn in" and then claim the monitor is the "best OLED". Monitors Unboxed is really the only channel that does a detailed review of monitors with comparisons.
Probably not a Problem for most but you cant use 3 of them at the same time with gysnc or vrr stuff on. Because of something to do with display stream compression and DP1.4 it uses 2 internal heads instead of 1 in "game mode" which is the only way to use g sync or vrr. The problem comes to the fact that even the 4090 only has 4 of these internals heads. So if you have 3 of these monitors only 2 will be able to be driven due to this quirk. Or turn game mode off and it will use 1, letting you use all 3. But then you lose the vrr and are stuck at 120hz instead of 144hz. Which would be fine but losing vrr or g sync is why im returning mine. Ive seen triple 4k 144hz work with g sync on a few videos so i know its not a limitation of the 4090, but this monitor is more of a tv with monitor features. Also the GUI is slow and sluggish as shit and the smart tv features jyst get in the way. Imo.
Here’s how to do it : 1- turn off game mode on all the 3 monitors. 2- reboot the pc 3- login to windows , and activate nvidia surround and do the displays arrangement and resolution settings. “While game mode is still off for three monitors” 4- after that switch “game mode on “ for the 3 display one by one , no rush doesnt matter if u do it quickly or slowly 5- go to nvidia control panel , now ull see gsync can be activated , do that Now uhave triple ,monitors 11520x 2160@120 with vrr activated Basically windows have to login first before activating game mode on the monitor Ur welcome
@@superfla2 I appreciate that but I returned them after trying several different things shortly after my comment, I'm planning on getting 3 asus pg43uq and trying it again at some point.
It’s a weird time for monitors. There’s some really great choices…at 1440p for a lot of money. It seems like forking over that much money for a non-4K display is kind of a bad idea in terms of being future proof so I continue to hold out hope for a 38-42 inch 4K qd-oled/mini-led scfeeen for about $1000 at 144hz+. There’s not much that fits that criteria now, sadly.
1440p at 27 inches is technically more future proof than 4K at 43 inches though, if you assume Nvidia is going to continue giving us less performance for more money going forward. It’ll suck to have your gpu die in 6 years and find out that you now have to pay $2000 for 4070ti performance and to run games at 4K.
@@joemarais7683 ouch lol. The trajectory we are on suggestions that the next generation of gpus at the mid and high level will be able to do 4K 120-144hz ultra in most games provided that they have sufficient vram.
Not really sure why this monitor is getting such a bad review here. I just picked this monitor up for %50 off bringing the total to $500. I don’t experience any smearing or ghosting in game. Some text scrolling and whatnot, yes, however putting the response time to Fast pretty much fixes that. I hope to anyone reading this, this monitor is solid. Anyone can pull up specs and call it a “bad” monitor. Buy what you want.
@@dillanjuarez4580 I use the monitor live and in person and I’m here to say there is no ghosting in games. I play Warzone, Alex and BF 2042 on it and there’s none. There’s a big difference between real life and what a camera picks up on a Monitor.
This monitor went on sale during the Amazon Prime Day sales this week, it was only $500. I have watched several reviews of this monitor. All of the rest of them noted that the only time they saw really bad Ghosting and Overshoot is i n the UFO test. In actual gameplay they all said the monitor felt fine and that they didn't notice any really bad Ghosting or Overshoot. If you call Samsung they say this monitor has 1196 Zones. Out of the box it is set to Local Dimming "Low" but there are 2 higher settings and at "High" it seems to unlock all 1196 or so zones. I would also like to know if he did the test in "Game Mode" or just tested it "Out of the Box" and didn't tune anything. I have seen many reviews and comments on other videos say that the motion issues get heavily reduced when you do some tuning to some settings and adjust the color to be less washed out than it is out of the box. I did find it to be a fair review though. Keep up the good work.
Well said. I picked up this monitor over Amazon Prime Day 2023, and while it did take considerable tuning, I'm not seeing any of the issues that are mentioned in this review. I'm actually very happy with its performance at both 120hz and 140hz.
I bought this monitor during amazon prime day for $500 and I love it. When first turning it on it took about 10 minutes to upload new firmware. Maybe this fixed some of the issues people have been complaining about. My old monitor was 27” and this new monitor was definitely worth the upgrade and makes all the games I play look so much better and enjoyable. I’m very happy about the purchase but I don’t play fps games and might not be the best if that is what someone wants. I was concerned that games would not look good in 1440 on such a big screen but the few games I tried look very good. I only have 2080 and I normally use 4K but I know some games I will have to use 1440 but this monitor looks good at those settings.
Awesome review guys. And thanks! You just saved me a whole chunk of change! Was THIS close to picking this monitor up. You guys really make a difference compared to some of the other overhyped channels out there. Kudos and keep it up. Best wishes!
You give Reddit and UA-camrs waaaay too much credit. The issues are over blown, this is a great monitor. Maybe early firmware issues with the reviewer, I dunno. There is no response time issue, there is no horrible ghosting or any of this.
I just got this one at a massive discount, so far very satisfied with it. I also saw it from a different reviewer that Samsung confirmed with him that LS43 has 1152 mini LEDs or dimming zones. Not sure which one of you is correct though.
App support IS needed because it's a 4k HDR screen, if you try to stream that through PC apps you will only get 1080p, very blocky compressed with HDR in most cases, with only Netflix offering true 4k streaming through a PC, and that's only on their Microsoft store app, any browser will either limit you to 1080p or 720p, and still the bit rate is much lower than on TV apps, so you'll still, even on the app with 4k support you will still get a poor, blocky stream
@@marrow94 which makes me sooooo sad. Because I can't just have one good sound system and use it for everything, I either have a good sound system connected to my TV and I never use it for games or the other way around.I have a full 5.1 surround sound system composed of 5 genelec studio monitors and a presonus subwoofer it sounds amazing, but I can't use it for movies or TV shows because I won't accept the bit rate offered by PC streaming apps. Instead I have a pair of Edifier Luna Eclipses connected to my TV via the optical OUT and use that, which admittedly still sounds great, but doesn't hit the lower bass notes and isn't even half-way as loud. And also isn't room corrected...
New gen games deserving a new way to experience them. I tried two VA Displays and always deciding for IPS, its just the best LCD tech - and you can find it in gaming TVs - if you search for it. Thank you!💙
Thanks dude - so will have to keep my 55" QA55Q80 for my main workstation setup. This is my forth 55", all samsungs, and this one is pretty good even at 120hz. But yeah, non-curved and the edges are very far and can only wish for the dot pitch of a 43". Maybe next year.... *sigh*
I got a fantastic deal on a 42" 4K 120Hz Panasonic OLED LZ800 for just 649 euros yesterday and I am very glad to have gotten that instead of a Neo QLED after watching this video.
I have the G65B.. QC and quirks aside, it is an excellent VA monitor and proof to me that VA can offer a great gaming experience if the response times are in the neighborhood. I wish Samsung would leverage what they did for the G7 and the G65B in other VA monitors.
Yeah, when i saw the video title, i thought (hoped) that samsung made a bigger, flatter version of the Neo G7 32" VA 4k (which would be _amazing_ ). But from this review, they obviously didn't do that. My hopes for the perfect 40-44" 4k VA panel in 2023 ...dashed. Still stuck at the same decision as last year: PG42UQ (with risk of burn-in), or Neo G7 32" (with excessive curve and a bit too small to fully leverage 4k since it likely needs a bit of upscaling).
I bought it at the price last week and it's already boxed back up and being returned tomorrow. The software on it is a mess. The biggest issue I had that was the main reason I'm returning it is when my PC would go to sleep, I would wake up the PC and the monitor would wake up for a split second but then say no device connect and start it's count down to go back to sleep. I was then forced to either unplug and replug in the HDMI/DP cable or power off and on the PC entirely. I tried both HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4 cables and about five of each just to make sure it wasn't a cable issue.
@@bp328i Did you update the firmware? I had one come in the mail as well, pretty good display over all. Like you, my only complaint, and its a big one, is the OSD/Smart Hub OS. God I hate it so much. However, it is still acceptable for the price point as its only going to have one input and once set, not really touched after that. You don't really have many alternatives for a 43" VA monitor at this point. The FV43U by Gigabyte and ASUS ROG has one as well I think, both are at least $200+ more expensive than the $499 sale price of the G7.
@@deuswulf6193 I did check and there was no firmware update available for mine. I had three different inputs connected, PC, MacBook Pro, and NVIDIA Shield. I really wanted to like it but that software/OS just killed it for me. I'm coming from an 48" LG C2 that developed burn in after 4 months of use. The panel is being replaced tomorrow under warranty and it's going into my sons room. I was looking to move away from the C2 anyways because the glossy screen and reflections. Some people love glossy screens but not my thing on a monitor. Last night I bought the ROG Swift OLED PG42UQ. I've been following it for a few months to see if ASUS releases new firmware to fix the HDR issue with it and they just did a few days ago. Plus I think using the C2 (OLED) for the past four months has ruined me when it comes to monitor panels.
@@bp328i Interesting, right out of the box the one I ordered had a firmware update once I connected it to the internet. Completely understand though, the OS can be a huge turn off with multiple inputs. Surprised you didn't go for a Gigabyte monitor with the KVM switch. This would let you plug your keyboard and mouse into the TV itself, and the mouse/keyboard would be seen by all of them (in your case, the PC, Mac and Nvidia Shield). I think the ROG Swift still uses LG's W-OLED panel, so it might have the same burn in issues if not careful.
@@deuswulf6193 Yeah the ROG is OLED, I definitely know what I can and can't do now. I use the Corsair K100 Air keyboard and Logitech MX3 mouse so both are wireless and switch between all three of my devices at the push of a button. I really wanted to like the G7 but the software seams more suited for a smart TV vs a monitor.
Hmm, I've had this monitor on my wish list for a while now, and intended on buying it soon. It frequently bounces around between $550 and $700 USD, right now it's at the cheap side so I was going to nab it. But after seeing this... I know everyone has different tolerances for VA smearing, a lot of people are claiming theirs isn't anywhere near as bad as the review claims. I wonder if firmware updates made it better?
This just shows how far we are from an ideal desktop monitor. Even though this thing has awful motion performance, the hardware-level calibration is a feature that is not available on any consumer-grade monitor, even pricy models. Given the huge advantages for image accuracy, this should be a STANDARD. Then again, I'm a snob for inaccurate displays.
I'm surprised that this monitor is hated as it is. I thought it was pretty good for $600 which what I was looking to spend as I already have an AORUS 48" OLED monitor but I wanted a second screen. I've noticed that this isn't the best monitor but it is good and well priced(when on sale). I would recommend this as everything else in it's price range is lacking. I was thing of replacing this with two neo G7 32" or one Samsung Neo G9. I don't like Samsung as they've burned me in the past but I don't see any one else competetive.
Looking forward to seeing what INNOCN cook up with their 32 inch 4k mini led monitor. The 28 inch varant had incredible local dimming and brightness. Just a shame it can't be bought in the UK
@@waltuh6984 The last monitor I bought had to go back due to dead pixels. Paying that kind of shipping cost and then having to pay to ship it back as well if there's a problem just doesn't seem worth it. They did indicate that the 32inch version might be coming to the UK so waiting for that.
I'm sure they already have a 32 inch panel. It was 32m2v if I remember correctly. Also I've been eying their monitors, can't wait till they are available in my region too.
Great seeing the Hardware Unboxed channel at 15:15. HUB is a new and upcoming underground channel intended for an elite audience, characterized by its high levels of originality and experimentation, and does not conform to typical standards, trends, or hypes set by popular mainstream media. :P
it doesn't negate the issue how bad this monitor is... I know, I own it for 3 months already. I am looking for a better 43 inch alternative that is not OLED.
good to know, thx alot for the review, was playing with the thought of 32" or maybe going bigger, but so far everything i saw above 32" was either way over my budget/willingness to spend, or the specs left alot to be desired...
Wrong about the smart TV functionality. UA-cam is the only platform that allows 4K content in any browser. Netflix only allows 4K streaming on certain builds that meet the hardware requirements and only through the Netflix app. But almost all the other platforms limit to 1080p in the app and 720p in a browser. Netflix limits the resolution to 720P in the browser as well, but allows 4K through the Edge browser.
Another stinker. The built-in 3840x1600 mode is cool though. I often run that as a custom resolution through my video card, which my monitors (c2 and c10) accept easily. A side benefit is that it moves the top and bottom bars to a new position, which may defer some burn-in in those areas. (edit: brain fart)
I have a 34" ultrawide now but I'm going to want to have something in this size when I build next system in 2025. I'd use a Vesa mount and wall mount it behind my desk. Hopefully they continue to improve over the next 2 years.
I misread the thumbnail as "Big LSD finally good?" And it got me thinking... Was it bad before? How does it compare to small LSD? Is this something we were waiting for? What does it have to do with HUB? Ngl, I got so enthralled by these questions, when I read the real text, I was disappointed. Great review.
It's interesting how they switch from matte being the right choice for a PC oriented product, but I have heard them say they use glossy OLED s at home.
4:52 I can think of at least one case where having the UA-cam app would be useful, and that's for movies on UA-cam. If you buy an HD or 4K movie on YT, you can only watch in 480p through a browser whereas the app will allow you to watch at the resolution you actually paid for. Really shitty, but worth mentioning I guess.
i think i'd have interesting question for next monthly Q&A, dunno if i'll remember that one, but let's go: checking performance graphs, from what i remember from video on how to read them, it's all grayscale so (0,0,0), (128,128,128), (256,256,256) but is there a difference if you only test single color? like only red LED response, green and blue? can those be significant in any degree or are timings quite uniform across all colors. i hope it is an interesting question and it might even give some insight to testing methods if those were never tested, or insight to viewers who just don't know, like me :)
Loving your monitor videos Tim! Any chance you might be able to review the MSI G274QPX? Looks like the successor of the MAG274QRX. Im curious to see how it compares.
@mrwanted000 don't use for a pc at all, the mouse cursor will suffer from yellow fringing upon movement as well.. lower this by changing color tone to cool
I have a DWF for my main monitor. Love it but wanted a non oled as more static image gaming/tv to play on the side. Bought this for Amazon prime day sale at $500. Hasn’t gotten here yet and curious to see if it holds up in actual use.
Likewise, DWF and G7 for very much the same reasons. The FV43U from Gigabyte actually looked like a better product, but it was close to $300 more, which didn't seem worth it all things considered.
I would just argue that testing brightness on a 100% white scenario is very unrealistic. The whole point of brightness is to have impactful HDR highlights, a 10% window should much more accurately reflect a real world scenario.
I'm really interested in the 32" odyssey g7 as an oled alternative. If I wanted/needed a 40"+ I'd just get a c2. Honestly, If I could wall mount, I might do that anyways.
I had the Neo G8 before going straight to the C2. The Neo was (for me) already a huuuge step up from my normal Odyssey G7, so much better blacks/colors and the highlights (im a 24/7 HDR on guy - Auto HDR and so on) made you squint your eyes from time to time. But i dont know, i still wanted the perfect blacks in the end.
Not enough about work and productivity. Some might look for those big screens only for work and productivity purposes (CAD, modelling, spreadsheets). 22:31
Whatever black magic Samsung is doing on the curved G7 VA panels obviously isn't happening here then I feel like the branding of this display is wrong... the G7 name is associated with fast pixel response, it was the USP for the other VA panels especially
I have the samsung g8 OLED and I have never had an issue with text readability doing work. Its a big deal in your reviews but very minimal in day to day usage IMHO
They're not using "eyes" 🤓 They're using measurements. That's what reviewers do. Almost all high-tech products receive updates to firmware and software throughout their lifetime. Evidently this product has had at least one since this review was published. However, the reviewer can only test what's in front of him at the moment. This review is a year old already and just a 30 second glance through the comments would have shown you all of this. Enjoy your fine screen, I'm actually considering buying one myself 😊
Have this monitor and I'm about to send it back. It's a TV first and a monitor second. If your computer screen turns off or goes to sleep, the "Monitor" will consistently show "No device connected". Also randomly disconnects and switches inputs. The button on the monitor itself is almost microscopic, and the remote has 5 buttons for random TV services (Disney, Netflix, etc.) but has no button whatsoever for quickly changing the inputs. You have to click several different menu options to change your inputs. The OS is incredibly frustrating and is constantly trying to get you to use its TV oriented features. Out of the box tuning was also pretty terrible but it has plenty of adjustability so it was fixable. Was sooo hopeful for this one but if it's being used primarily as a work/personal monitor, this thing is a hard pass
Was really looking forward to this review when I saw you had done it. I have a 43 inch QN90B here in the UK and I love it. From the specs you read out it sounded like a QN90B but with a display port, poorer stand and mat finish. Apart from the poor viewing angles being poor ish on the QN90B (but not to the extent you describe for example when sitting in front of it there are no uniformity issues) the review is miles from the experience I have had with the QN90B, uniformity is really good, you don't notice any black level smearing in games. Games look incredible in HDR. And it gets really bright to the point I have the backlight on 30 out of 50, any more and its too bright for me in a room with 2 windows. 144Hz VRR works flawlessly. In fact if I was giving a friend a recommendation I would say go for it with the QN90B with the only thing I would recommend in getting a soundbar of some sort as the TV speakers are beyond rubbish. I am not a Samsung shrill by the way. I bought the TV through their partner program for £540 (very cheap here in the UK) and it advertised a 5 year warranty was available on the purchase page, which they are not honouring and won't even let me buy from them so they aren't in my favour at the moment. I would rather of bought the TV at the going rate of £750 with the warranty. But I digress. I wonder if a firmware update is imminent with the Neo G7 as the panel is much more capable than your findings in my opinion, Samsung have a tendency of breaking things with firmware but at least they fix them eventually.
Can't believe this post just dropped. I was at a local retailer about an hour ago deciding between a Dell 32" IPS gaming monitor or the Samsung QN90B. Almost pulled the trigger on the QN90B, but decided to do more research. I am still undecided at this point. Will be used as a gaming monitor for my PS5. The Dell is the G3223D 1440 2K model. Fast IPS, but HDR is really non existent and so I was looking at the QN90B which is available at about the same price. There has been mixed reviews on the QN90B,but RTINGS actually rate it well for a gaming TV/ monitor.
the main thing that would stop me from getting it is those response times, they are horrendous. would never spend money on a gaming monitor/tv that slow nowadays.
@Monitors Unboxed are you ever going to test Dell G3223Q? Very surprised that i haven't seen it tested by you as it has been around for a year+. Looks like solid alternative to M32U in 4k 32' monitors section.
Hello there! Love the content and really appreciate all the work and dedication that goes into these videos. That said, back in August of 2017 I purchased the Asus PG279Q IPS GSync Monitor for $750 and I am still using it as my main gaming monitor right now (1440p/165Hz). I am really thinking of going with the LG C2 but I have no way of knowing how my current monitor compares to this newer tech (obviously I know differences like LCD/LED/IPS/etc, but not nits, color space calibrations, etc). Has anyone done (or would you do) a video like this for my monitor? I have no idea how it rates in any of these categories and I realize I am likely good no matter what I choose, but since I do not upgrade monitors all that regularly, I want to make sure I have all the facts before doing so. I game in a dark room (no windows open) with an RTX 4080 (would like GSync if it still matters) and will be exclusively for gaming with very little to no work use. I very much want a 4k display that is clean and crisp and can do true HDR. I want to be floored by how amazing it looks.
I'd like to see you review Y34WZ-30 when it becomes available and the AG344UXM. LCD-based 21:9 options have been somewhat neglected, I feel :) That being said, I was not uninterested in this model, but ... this is TERRIBLE.
Lets just hope that the Asus 38 inch 4k will be better than this. Sad that the motion performance sucks this much. I really expected better from samsung
For the record, I bought this Montior specifically because I had issues PC gaming on an LG OLED that they refued to fix because they said "customer is under the impression that this is a monitor and it not capable of being a monitor" LG will refuse to repair any issues with PC as the input for their C2/C3 models. So yeah, keep that in mind. I even filed a complaint with the BBB and they doubled down and said the exact same thing. So it is what it is. Samsung will always get my money regardless now.
@blue-lu3iz In all fairness the C2 does have a "PC Mode" built into it. This means they are fully aware of how it can and will be used. Perhaps part of the problem may come from those who don't use such a mode when using the PC.
@blue-lu3iz So my issue is that when I have content that is 4k@120hz I get lines and artifacting and the image will completely cut out and show snow. I have a rocketfish Ultra HDMI Cable that's 8ft and the tech that showed up was able to replicate the issue so they made a repair to fix it. They replaced the main board, and a week later, it started happening again. They tried to use the LG WebOS to find content that is 4k@120hz and its not even capable of streaming content at this frame rate because it requires so much data. The only device I have that can output 4k 120hz is a PC, and that's what I was using, and LG denied to repair my TV because i'm "using my TV as a monitor" I still have a broken TV to this day. So the tech that came out to my house has a streaming APp that goes to the LG engineers and unless you're having the issue on site when the tech is there, they can deny your repair even if your issue is intermittent. I need to point out specifically that I have replaced my Motherboard and went from B550 AMD to Intel, and Switched from a 3070 TI to a 7900 XTX and the issue persists even after replacing the Rocketfish Ultra HDMI cable, at this point, the only possible part that could be at fault is the OLED Panel / TCon which are paired by LG. The price to replace this second hand is $900 which is actually more than the C2 48" retails for right now this second. So yeah. Be warned, LG WILL NOT fix any issues related to PC users using their TV as a "monitor"
@@deuswulf6193 Trust me, I pointed this out to them via my BBB complaint, and there's nothing in the Warranty info that says that they wont cover issues that originate from a PC yet they denied me anyway and they will deny anybody in the future. If you go the BBB and view the complaints for LG Electronics, there are dozens of gamers just like me that aren't getting their voice heard and are stuck with broken TVs. Its obvious that people like Monitors Unboxed have no idea that LG are doing this, and its only a matter of time before major media outlets catch wind of it. I can assure you, they will not fix your TV if you use a PC as the source for your video and you have issues at 4k 120hz
Samsung TVs have this really weird problem, when in game mode with high local dimming setting, they get crazy desaturated in low brightness settings. If you had a black screen with a small colored object somewhere, the colors would get really messed up independent of the zone count. I am really concerned about this monitor having the same issue
@@ubivatel4207 No, on the External Device Manager. HDMI Black Level on my TV (QN90C) can't be changed at all, it's weird while it's not a problem on the Console
@randomguy36j98 how long is the DP cable supplied with the monitor? Does it also come with an HDMI cable that can run 4k@144hz? Just bought it but it will get shipped to my home later this month :) Payed 600€ and i expect most - if not all - issues fixed by firmware updates by now.
I got Samsung's 43 inch QN90B Neo QLED last year, having never used a VA panel before, and was surprised at how bad ghosting was on it. I wish there had been a review of it as in-depth as this one because I wouldn't have bought it if I had known. For some reason, any reviews that mentioned ghosting didn't stress how bad it is or show examples. It's a credit to you that your reviews are so comprehensive. Keep it up! 🙂
I have that TV as my desktop screen, and I haven't found it to be too bad so far. But it could definitely be better and the ghosting is definitely noticeable. However it's a pretty big step up from the monitor I had before, which was a pretty cheap curved ASUS Strix 32" monitor from 2017, so I guess for me it was a matter of perspective.
I have that and dont gave ghosting or any that I notice
For TVs, Rting has pretty comprehensive review, including a section on response times
@@ItsIcedDonut Maybe it varies by panel and is just a case of luck of the draw? The one Tim reviewed here was surprisingly bad compared to other models he's reviewed before, so maybe that was a bad panel while the others were ok? Who knows!
Same, got QN90C 43 and it's VA panel. It's not that bad but still hate it cause it's my first time using VA panel, ghosting really noticable because I always use TN, IPS and Oled panel, didn't know the ghosting was that bad on VA panel
I'm a very moderate PC gamer (mostly PS5 on the main TV) and will use this as a home PC/work from home office entertainment solution. Considered a few OLEDs but there is huge risk for burn-in with how I use my home PC monitor. Great review!
Oh and I got it on massive discount during Prime Day sales.
I just got a 42" LG C3 to use as a monitor and tv, I'm liking it so far. I was using a 32" Neo G7 before this.
Could you test the 43inch QN90b for a comparison. That should be the TV Version of this monitor and apparently has much better motion performance while being a lot cheaper. It also has a semi gloss coating, which some (me for example) prefer.
if you need a monitor go for neog743, if you need a tv go for qn90b . Difference is non glare
@@ruk11125yeah but if you could read you’d notice that the gloss coating is preferable even on a monitor to some. I’d like to be able to shut my curtains and have darker perceived black levels.
@@ruk11125 They are also apparently not the same. According to rtings, the qn90b has really good morion handling, is around 30% (600nits vs 450nits) brighter for fullscreen brightness and 50% (900nits vs 600nits) brighter for the 10% window test.
I really really wanted to see this review as well! about a year ago when I got the C2 OLED but couldn't find much to be able to compare and I still feel sometimes I wish I would've gone that route
@Joao_M I tested the 43" QN90B, the FALD was a big disappointment, bought an LG C2 instead. This is set to SDR 38 brightness and HDR 66 brightness.
Not much affected by ABL with office/ productifity in SDR mode with 38% brightness.
My LG C9 is at 100% brightness, and still 0 burn-in despite sometimes static images.
Disadvantage C2:
if you want to be sure of no burn-in, I have reduced the brightness.
But C2 is next to a large window, during the day in the summer 38% is not really nice, then I sometimes switch to HDR with 66% brighness, this is bright enough, but you again suffer from ABL and more chance of burn-in with productivity.
Fortunately, black really stays black with little reflection.
Don't buy a C2 when you do a lot of productivity
Just bought this monitor today & I can confirm most of the downsights mentioned, on the other hand I plan to use it mainly for productivity and coding. So far it meets expectations greatly and you don't have to worry about OLED burning in from code editor 8h/day static images.
Kind of seems like a waste of money for that use case at $1K. You don't need HDR, FreeSync, or 144hz for productivity and coding.
@@madmatt2024 If he just bought it, it's been $500 which is a much more appealing price
@@madmatt2024 Some people like to game a bit after work, so its not really that much of a waste.
@madmatt2024 I also game, of course. That's why I was trying to find some compromise
@@shootervm how has the monitor been? I'm thinking of picking it up for single player games and work
FYI, this beast is on sale at Amazon for $549.
Maybe they are discontinuing it.
Rtings gave the G7 neo rave reviews. But they were talking about the 32-in curved version. I stupidly assumed the 43 would have similar stellar performance, so I'm kind of choking on your review because I just ordered this thing.
Still, I am not a gamer. I just need a monitor to pull double duty as a TV set. This will be a secondary monitor, with my primary monitor pulling heavy duty for color pre-press and design work. If I can calibrate this thing to be somewhere in the neighborhood of my main monitor, I'll be satisfied.
Was also hoping to get at least 120 hz @ 4K, but from the sound of your review, I might be better off just running it at 60.
I appreciate your investment in your content. This was very extensive and very helpful. Thank you.
I just got the original 32inch neo G7 for 800 bucks and I love it. It's crazy how close it gets to my CX oled in hdr. Yet it gets significantly brighter and I don't have to worry about burn in.
I got a returned unit for around the same price, and unfortunately it had a weird issue displaying blacks. No matter how much much I tinkered on it, I just couldn't get it to look right. Also, I wasn't a fan of the curve.
@@Batman-bh6vw the curve was my biggest concern before buying. And I was fully prepared to return it if I couldn't adjust to the curve within the first few days. But as soon as I turned it on I new that I loved the curve. Doesn't matter if i'm doing productivity tasks, watching something or playing a game, the curve subtly enhances everything.
I had the old 1440p 240hz Odyssey G7 previously and hated it. It had so many issues but I think the most annoying one was scanlines in the corners. I sold it to a friend for $400 and was glad to be rid of it.
I got a used Neo g8 for 800 at micro center and it was a steal. Basically still new with the plastic wrap no scuffs etc. the Neo g7/g8 are one of the best non OLED monitors
@@Wickery. Exactly. Over 1100 dimming zones is no joke.
The 32" G7 would obviously be faster since the it takes less time to get to the edges since they are closer together due to the curved panel. Also, the back likely has more speed holes.
😂
As for the Native TV apps in a PC "Monitor", one reason might be that not all content will play fully unlocked on a PC/Windows. Just found out that Disney Plus won't let you do 4k-HDR in Windows, even if you use the MS store app. Only reserved for streaming device and TV apps. So could be a handy feature in those rare occurrences.
I tried using my pc for media and it looked much worse than watching it on the app, but it looked fine on my ps5
Were you using a modern Intel CPU with an iGPU, on a supported and updated browser, and on Windows?
D+ is prolly using Widevine for DRM like other Streaming services. If the WV security levels work like they do on Android you have three levels of DRM security where lower is better (L1, L2, L3). Your video decoder (iGPU/dGPU), browser, OS, etc can affect the WV level. Like 5+ years ago Netflix made it a requirement that Intel Quick Sync Video 6 (Kabylake 7000 series) was the min requirement for 4k and Im very confident that was a WV security thing (no real proof, so grain of salt if you will). I highly doubt AMD iGPUs or AMD/Nvidia dGPUs are supported as a trusted video decoder. So modern Intel QSV versions are prolly the only thing that can get you a good WV security level, and thus only 4k supported video decoder on computer.
been using the 👽 DWF panel a little over 6 months now (heavy usage) yet I still am wow'd at how good it is 🥰
Yeah it’s the best monitor I ever had! Everything just pops on it. Using it for UHD movies is even an amazing experience.
It’s an absolute beast. Been using it since launch was great upgrade from my LG34GK950F
I bought it too, 3 weeks ago. It is making me really happy.
Replaced the MSI G274QPF-QD, was 409€ , had horrible contrast and was emmiting too much light at night even on 0, my old VA panel was better than that and it was like 140€ 7yrs ago.
hopefully y'all have the newest firmware update too 😁
Same, I have very few complaints about it. By far better quality than any Samsung monitor I've ever owned.
Today I have purchased this Monitor and it is AMAZING. I DO NOT experience any issues mentioned in this video. And I am using display port.
They dont bro they want to push oled to trash va panels
@@robertdixon8769 This one is mini LED and that is almost on OLED level
There was a software update on March 2024. Seemed to have addressed issues.
@2Guapo There is only one issue remaining, i had to disconnect and reconnect my displayport cable otherwise it stucks at 60hz and not at 144hz , everytime i shut down my laptop, but this is because I'm using slow cables dp 1.2
@@randomguy36j98 otherwise ghosting not as bad as orignally stated? I was at my local bestbuy tonight, but new in town and they closed earlier than I expected.
Thanks
I contacted you asking for a review on this product - as always, you delivered & have answered every question I had about this product.
Therefore, I wanted to thank you personally as you have saved me from buying this product to replace my current gaming monitor.
At the moment I use an Asus ROG Swift PG32UQ which I bought at the time of original release, I use it for Console Gaming on both PS5 and XBOX Series X and to be honest I'm happy enough with the picture quality, apart from the HDR being very poor quality.
However, due to the combination of my eyesight not being particularly brilliant & the distance I sit away from the screen I struggle to see things clearly, hence why I'm looking at Monitors of screen sizes around the 43" mark of this 1.
Is there any specific product(s) you can recommend to for use with Next Gen Consoles at this screen size bracket that can provide similar picture quality as my existing Monitor but provide a better HDR experience?
Caveat to this being that it must have full HDMI 2.1 support so I can take advantage of the 120hz and VRR capabilities of my PS5 & XBOX Series X
Many Thanks again and especially for responding to my request so quickly with such a superb quality review 👌
LG C3 42
OLED TVs are what you're looking for.
lg 42 c3.
@@hungz1241_axaor C2 not that much difference unless u care about extreme end of brightness
@@AutonovaAIthe c2 is over 1k this monitor is 500$ how can you even compare?
I got really (REALLY) excited by the title of this video. A bigger, flatter Neo G7? YES PLEASE! But then reality set in. This is clearly a "converted tv" panel.
Excellent review. Superb really. And timely for me. thank you! If i went based on the marketing on the box, this panel looks _perfect_ for my needs. But it would seem the box lies.
I've been begging Samsung for a 40" (ish) Neo G7 which is the same tech as the 32" 4k va version, just "bigger" (and less curved). But this ain't _that_
Its not that bad if you can get it at the $499 price its been going around for lately.
Even the response rate smear was barely noticeable with the right settings, and it being a VA panel that's a given. My only real complaint with this kind of display is the smart hub/OSD. Its annoying and convoluted, but once you can set it up you don't have to use it that much, unless you deal with multiple inputs.
Check out the Gigabyte FV43U if you want one that's closer to being a pure monitor, better brightness but the contrast ratio will suffer a bit.
@@deuswulf6193 I wouldn't set up a smart hub. It would never get connected to the internet. It would only display signals from the graphics card, and nothing further. The security of "smart" devices is unimaginably bad.
But I'm willing to believe that the testing done in the video _may_ have been with the wrong settings. That happens. I'll be curious to see if other reviews, or a follow up on this channel, bears that out :)
$499 is a good price... but it kinda suggests that the performance isn't there, when the 32" Neo G7 VA 4k pannel is twice that much.
@@kathrynck Yup, well the "smart hubs" in TVs are part of the reasons TVs are so cheap these days, as they expect to earn money from the "smart hub" apps and services.
When you mix that fact with the niche market of 43" monitors, their asking price, as well as a generally oversaturated market for all types of monitors, they end up with a lot of inventory that is taking up space. The aggressive discount (50% off the $1000 MSRP) means they want to clear out that inventory, not necessarily that the product is bad.
32 inch monitors and 34 inch ultrawides are currently some of the most popular, and they probably see far higher profit margins in those categories. VA also has less appeal now a days due to OLED getting cheaper.
I have the 43in Neo QLED miniled TV and its been absolutely fantastic as a gaming screen. 4k @ 144hz too!
AW34DWF on sale now at Dell, £789 looks seriously tempting
£650 if you apply discount codes.
Bought it at this price on Monday and recieved it yesterday.
@@jabedahmed8177 Wow, that's class. What code?
@@jabedahmed8177 Oh wow! Where did you find a discount code that big?
You probably have a backlog of monitors to review, but I would love to see you review the LG UltraGear 45" OLED and also the Samsung G9 OLED, with maybe a comparison of the two side by side? Most YT channels that show the two monitors are not true 'reviews' but rather showcases that do no comparison at all. They always say the same thing for every monitor: "OLED", "true blacks", "immersive", "burn in" and then claim the monitor is the "best OLED".
Monitors Unboxed is really the only channel that does a detailed review of monitors with comparisons.
It's a TV in a gamer-y case sold at a price premium.
I got this for $450 Open-Box from Best Buy, and I'm loving it as a productivity monitor (with some casual gaming and movies on the side)
how does it work on movies, is it ok?
Probably not a Problem for most but you cant use 3 of them at the same time with gysnc or vrr stuff on.
Because of something to do with display stream compression and DP1.4 it uses 2 internal heads instead of 1 in "game mode" which is the only way to use g sync or vrr. The problem comes to the fact that even the 4090 only has 4 of these internals heads.
So if you have 3 of these monitors only 2 will be able to be driven due to this quirk. Or turn game mode off and it will use 1, letting you use all 3. But then you lose the vrr and are stuck at 120hz instead of 144hz. Which would be fine but losing vrr or g sync is why im returning mine.
Ive seen triple 4k 144hz work with g sync on a few videos so i know its not a limitation of the 4090, but this monitor is more of a tv with monitor features.
Also the GUI is slow and sluggish as shit and the smart tv features jyst get in the way. Imo.
Here’s how to do it :
1- turn off game mode on all the 3 monitors.
2- reboot the pc
3- login to windows , and activate nvidia surround and do the displays arrangement and resolution settings. “While game mode is still off for three monitors”
4- after that switch “game mode on “ for the 3 display one by one , no rush doesnt matter if u do it quickly or slowly
5- go to nvidia control panel , now ull see gsync can be activated , do that
Now uhave triple ,monitors 11520x 2160@120 with vrr activated
Basically windows have to login first before activating game mode on the monitor
Ur welcome
@@superfla2 I appreciate that but I returned them after trying several different things shortly after my comment, I'm planning on getting 3 asus pg43uq and trying it again at some point.
I am very, very early and although I already own my endgame I cant wait to dig into this vid and expanded my knowledge on monitors.
I got the Samsung's 43 inch QN90B Neo QLED for 600 usd, so not bad.
80ms dark level transitions YIKES!
even over 100ms holy
It’s a weird time for monitors. There’s some really great choices…at 1440p for a lot of money. It seems like forking over that much money for a non-4K display is kind of a bad idea in terms of being future proof so I continue to hold out hope for a 38-42 inch 4K qd-oled/mini-led scfeeen for about $1000 at 144hz+. There’s not much that fits that criteria now, sadly.
Technically you can never be future proof enough
Dude who gives a fuck about 4K on sub 40" screens. It's a meme at that point
1440p at 27 inches is technically more future proof than 4K at 43 inches though, if you assume Nvidia is going to continue giving us less performance for more money going forward. It’ll suck to have your gpu die in 6 years and find out that you now have to pay $2000 for 4070ti performance and to run games at 4K.
@@joemarais7683 ouch lol. The trajectory we are on suggestions that the next generation of gpus at the mid and high level will be able to do 4K 120-144hz ultra in most games provided that they have sufficient vram.
@@AgentMoler but you'll pay the same price as a 4090 for a 5080. Nvidia is going insane with their pricing...
Not really sure why this monitor is getting such a bad review here. I just picked this monitor up for %50 off bringing the total to $500. I don’t experience any smearing or ghosting in game. Some text scrolling and whatnot, yes, however putting the response time to Fast pretty much fixes that. I hope to anyone reading this, this monitor is solid. Anyone can pull up specs and call it a “bad” monitor. Buy what you want.
Watch the video and see the test results plus comparisons to other screens. That's why
You could use the monitor with shooters or in third person and you could see the ghosting
@@dillanjuarez4580 I use the monitor live and in person and I’m here to say there is no ghosting in games. I play Warzone, Alex and BF 2042 on it and there’s none. There’s a big difference between real life and what a camera picks up on a Monitor.
This monitor went on sale during the Amazon Prime Day sales this week, it was only $500.
I have watched several reviews of this monitor. All of the rest of them noted that the only time they saw really bad Ghosting and Overshoot is i n the UFO test. In actual gameplay they all said the monitor felt fine and that they didn't notice any really bad Ghosting or Overshoot.
If you call Samsung they say this monitor has 1196 Zones. Out of the box it is set to Local Dimming "Low" but there are 2 higher settings and at "High" it seems to unlock all 1196 or so zones.
I would also like to know if he did the test in "Game Mode" or just tested it "Out of the Box" and didn't tune anything. I have seen many reviews and comments on other videos say that the motion issues get heavily reduced when you do some tuning to some settings and adjust the color to be less washed out than it is out of the box.
I did find it to be a fair review though. Keep up the good work.
Well said. I picked up this monitor over Amazon Prime Day 2023, and while it did take considerable tuning, I'm not seeing any of the issues that are mentioned in this review. I'm actually very happy with its performance at both 120hz and 140hz.
Also I wonder if there could be any firmware update to address it?
I bought this monitor during amazon prime day for $500 and I love it. When first turning it on it took about 10 minutes to upload new firmware. Maybe this fixed some of the issues people have been complaining about. My old monitor was 27” and this new monitor was definitely worth the upgrade and makes all the games I play look so much better and enjoyable. I’m very happy about the purchase but I don’t play fps games and might not be the best if that is what someone wants. I was concerned that games would not look good in 1440 on such a big screen but the few games I tried look very good. I only have 2080 and I normally use 4K but I know some games I will have to use 1440 but this monitor looks good at those settings.
@@inatej what tunning did you do?
Awesome review guys. And thanks! You just saved me a whole chunk of change! Was THIS close to picking this monitor up. You guys really make a difference compared to some of the other overhyped channels out there. Kudos and keep it up. Best wishes!
You give Reddit and UA-camrs waaaay too much credit. The issues are over blown, this is a great monitor. Maybe early firmware issues with the reviewer, I dunno. There is no response time issue, there is no horrible ghosting or any of this.
I just got this one at a massive discount, so far very satisfied with it. I also saw it from a different reviewer that Samsung confirmed with him that LS43 has 1152 mini LEDs or dimming zones. Not sure which one of you is correct though.
App support IS needed because it's a 4k HDR screen, if you try to stream that through PC apps you will only get 1080p, very blocky compressed with HDR in most cases, with only Netflix offering true 4k streaming through a PC, and that's only on their Microsoft store app, any browser will either limit you to 1080p or 720p, and still the bit rate is much lower than on TV apps, so you'll still, even on the app with 4k support you will still get a poor, blocky stream
Yeah I’d never use PC apps, the ones included in TVs and Monitors are just better at everything.
@@marrow94 which makes me sooooo sad. Because I can't just have one good sound system and use it for everything, I either have a good sound system connected to my TV and I never use it for games or the other way around.I have a full 5.1 surround sound system composed of 5 genelec studio monitors and a presonus subwoofer it sounds amazing, but I can't use it for movies or TV shows because I won't accept the bit rate offered by PC streaming apps. Instead I have a pair of Edifier Luna Eclipses connected to my TV via the optical OUT and use that, which admittedly still sounds great, but doesn't hit the lower bass notes and isn't even half-way as loud. And also isn't room corrected...
New gen games deserving a new way to experience them.
I tried two VA Displays and always deciding for IPS, its just the best LCD tech - and you can find it in gaming TVs - if you search for it. Thank you!💙
the ips contrast is disgusting
Samsung just never change. You never know what you get so thanks for this review.
Samsung is going down each time I see a monitor from them.
that gold double tap at 4:17 is dope
Thanks dude - so will have to keep my 55" QA55Q80 for my main workstation setup. This is my forth 55", all samsungs, and this one is pretty good even at 120hz. But yeah, non-curved and the edges are very far and can only wish for the dot pitch of a 43". Maybe next year.... *sigh*
I got a fantastic deal on a 42" 4K 120Hz Panasonic OLED LZ800 for just 649 euros yesterday and I am very glad to have gotten that instead of a Neo QLED after watching this video.
After seeing line up of computex think will wait to see how they perform ASRock's 8K Monitor🥰
I have the G65B.. QC and quirks aside, it is an excellent VA monitor and proof to me that VA can offer a great gaming experience if the response times are in the neighborhood. I wish Samsung would leverage what they did for the G7 and the G65B in other VA monitors.
Yeah, when i saw the video title, i thought (hoped) that samsung made a bigger, flatter version of the Neo G7 32" VA 4k (which would be _amazing_ ).
But from this review, they obviously didn't do that. My hopes for the perfect 40-44" 4k VA panel in 2023 ...dashed.
Still stuck at the same decision as last year:
PG42UQ (with risk of burn-in), or Neo G7 32" (with excessive curve and a bit too small to fully leverage 4k since it likely needs a bit of upscaling).
I saw this for sale on Amazon for $499.99 and at that price is very hard to beat.
I bought it at the price last week and it's already boxed back up and being returned tomorrow. The software on it is a mess. The biggest issue I had that was the main reason I'm returning it is when my PC would go to sleep, I would wake up the PC and the monitor would wake up for a split second but then say no device connect and start it's count down to go back to sleep. I was then forced to either unplug and replug in the HDMI/DP cable or power off and on the PC entirely. I tried both HDMI 2.1 and DP 1.4 cables and about five of each just to make sure it wasn't a cable issue.
@@bp328i Did you update the firmware? I had one come in the mail as well, pretty good display over all. Like you, my only complaint, and its a big one, is the OSD/Smart Hub OS. God I hate it so much. However, it is still acceptable for the price point as its only going to have one input and once set, not really touched after that.
You don't really have many alternatives for a 43" VA monitor at this point. The FV43U by Gigabyte and ASUS ROG has one as well I think, both are at least $200+ more expensive than the $499 sale price of the G7.
@@deuswulf6193 I did check and there was no firmware update available for mine. I had three different inputs connected, PC, MacBook Pro, and NVIDIA Shield. I really wanted to like it but that software/OS just killed it for me.
I'm coming from an 48" LG C2 that developed burn in after 4 months of use. The panel is being replaced tomorrow under warranty and it's going into my sons room. I was looking to move away from the C2 anyways because the glossy screen and reflections. Some people love glossy screens but not my thing on a monitor.
Last night I bought the ROG Swift OLED PG42UQ. I've been following it for a few months to see if ASUS releases new firmware to fix the HDR issue with it and they just did a few days ago. Plus I think using the C2 (OLED) for the past four months has ruined me when it comes to monitor panels.
@@bp328i Interesting, right out of the box the one I ordered had a firmware update once I connected it to the internet. Completely understand though, the OS can be a huge turn off with multiple inputs.
Surprised you didn't go for a Gigabyte monitor with the KVM switch. This would let you plug your keyboard and mouse into the TV itself, and the mouse/keyboard would be seen by all of them (in your case, the PC, Mac and Nvidia Shield).
I think the ROG Swift still uses LG's W-OLED panel, so it might have the same burn in issues if not careful.
@@deuswulf6193 Yeah the ROG is OLED, I definitely know what I can and can't do now. I use the Corsair K100 Air keyboard and Logitech MX3 mouse so both are wireless and switch between all three of my devices at the push of a button.
I really wanted to like the G7 but the software seams more suited for a smart TV vs a monitor.
Hmm, I've had this monitor on my wish list for a while now, and intended on buying it soon. It frequently bounces around between $550 and $700 USD, right now it's at the cheap side so I was going to nab it. But after seeing this...
I know everyone has different tolerances for VA smearing, a lot of people are claiming theirs isn't anywhere near as bad as the review claims. I wonder if firmware updates made it better?
This just shows how far we are from an ideal desktop monitor.
Even though this thing has awful motion performance, the hardware-level calibration is a feature that is not available on any consumer-grade monitor, even pricy models. Given the huge advantages for image accuracy, this should be a STANDARD. Then again, I'm a snob for inaccurate displays.
great review, also would be really interesting to see your review of Samsung qd-oled TVs.
I wish I could get the 32" in a flat panel. I don't understand why it's only made in a 1000R curve
I have the samsung qn 90b as a desktop. Its really nice.
I'm surprised that this monitor is hated as it is. I thought it was pretty good for $600 which what I was looking to spend as I already have an AORUS 48" OLED monitor but I wanted a second screen. I've noticed that this isn't the best monitor but it is good and well priced(when on sale). I would recommend this as everything else in it's price range is lacking. I was thing of replacing this with two neo G7 32" or one Samsung Neo G9. I don't like Samsung as they've burned me in the past but I don't see any one else competetive.
Early firmware, bad sample, or user error. I dont know, but Im not getting any of this horrible response time etc on mine.
Looking forward to seeing what INNOCN cook up with their 32 inch 4k mini led monitor. The 28 inch varant had incredible local dimming and brightness. Just a shame it can't be bought in the UK
cant you ship it over from the usa, i live in aus and its ~250 usd shipping fees
@@waltuh6984 The last monitor I bought had to go back due to dead pixels. Paying that kind of shipping cost and then having to pay to ship it back as well if there's a problem just doesn't seem worth it. They did indicate that the 32inch version might be coming to the UK so waiting for that.
I'm sure they already have a 32 inch panel. It was 32m2v if I remember correctly. Also I've been eying their monitors, can't wait till they are available in my region too.
Could ship it in from the EU for free ... oh, wait, you can't anymore :P ;D
@@Treebsquire i’ve been lucky with monitors so far but i’m not gonna push it, i’ll just wait for my 27” 4k 144hz oled to come out
Great seeing the Hardware Unboxed channel at 15:15. HUB is a new and upcoming underground channel intended for an elite audience, characterized by its high levels of originality and experimentation, and does not conform to typical standards, trends, or hypes set by popular mainstream media. :P
Thanks for the review! I was secretly hoping it would work like the best samsung va panels, like neo g7, but this... I'll probably get c2 42 instead.
The OSD seems really well-thought out. I'm glad they added features from the TV model instead of taking them away
it doesn't negate the issue how bad this monitor is... I know, I own it for 3 months already. I am looking for a better 43 inch alternative that is not OLED.
@@boulderdash555unfortunately at that size.... I don't think you can buy a gaming monitor that is not an OLED TV yet lol.
good to know, thx alot for the review, was playing with the thought of 32" or maybe going bigger, but so far everything i saw above 32" was either way over my budget/willingness to spend, or the specs left alot to be desired...
Wrong about the smart TV functionality. UA-cam is the only platform that allows 4K content in any browser. Netflix only allows 4K streaming on certain builds that meet the hardware requirements and only through the Netflix app. But almost all the other platforms limit to 1080p in the app and 720p in a browser. Netflix limits the resolution to 720P in the browser as well, but allows 4K through the Edge browser.
I look forward for them to bring their 32" QD-OLED 4K 240Hz with 480Hz DFR though. Better have strobing. Really something to save for.
you guys are lucky . 32 inch is a rare sight around here
let alone 43 . heck even LG C class don't exist where I LIVE.
Another stinker. The built-in 3840x1600 mode is cool though. I often run that as a custom resolution through my video card, which my monitors (c2 and c10) accept easily. A side benefit is that it moves the top and bottom bars to a new position, which may defer some burn-in in those areas. (edit: brain fart)
I have a 34" ultrawide now but I'm going to want to have something in this size when I build next system in 2025. I'd use a Vesa mount and wall mount it behind my desk. Hopefully they continue to improve over the next 2 years.
It’s $499 on Amazon in the US
Someone explain to me how Samsung claim a 1ms GTG response time for the panel Vs what they have found in this video?
I misread the thumbnail as "Big LSD finally good?"
And it got me thinking... Was it bad before? How does it compare to small LSD? Is this something we were waiting for? What does it have to do with HUB?
Ngl, I got so enthralled by these questions, when I read the real text, I was disappointed. Great review.
Liked for the thumbnail alone.
Oh wow $500 off today on the official Samsung site.
Thank you for helping me dodge this bullet HUB
Still rocking my 48inc lg cx oled TV it's great 👍 got it in 2020 still gtg no burn in and I game every day 4hr minimum
Got this this summer for 530 EUR...what a steal. At this price the downsides are negligible.
this makes me love my lg c3 even more
It's interesting how they switch from matte being the right choice for a PC oriented product, but I have heard them say they use glossy OLED s at home.
I agree, tbh matte is garbage for PC use. At least go semi-gloss.
4:52 I can think of at least one case where having the UA-cam app would be useful, and that's for movies on UA-cam. If you buy an HD or 4K movie on YT, you can only watch in 480p through a browser whereas the app will allow you to watch at the resolution you actually paid for. Really shitty, but worth mentioning I guess.
interesting...I am wanting a slower monitor as I primarily watch 24fps content...maybe this is a total winner!
i think i'd have interesting question for next monthly Q&A, dunno if i'll remember that one, but let's go:
checking performance graphs, from what i remember from video on how to read them, it's all grayscale so (0,0,0), (128,128,128), (256,256,256) but is there a difference if you only test single color? like only red LED response, green and blue? can those be significant in any degree or are timings quite uniform across all colors.
i hope it is an interesting question and it might even give some insight to testing methods if those were never tested, or insight to viewers who just don't know, like me :)
I was just about to order this monitor until I saw your video. Safe to say I'll keep looking.
Loving your monitor videos Tim! Any chance you might be able to review the MSI G274QPX? Looks like the successor of the MAG274QRX. Im curious to see how it compares.
@mrwanted000 don't use for a pc at all, the mouse cursor will suffer from yellow fringing upon movement as well.. lower this by changing color tone to cool
Good for 4K 120 hz console gaming
I have a DWF for my main monitor. Love it but wanted a non oled as more static image gaming/tv to play on the side. Bought this for Amazon prime day sale at $500. Hasn’t gotten here yet and curious to see if it holds up in actual use.
Likewise, DWF and G7 for very much the same reasons. The FV43U from Gigabyte actually looked like a better product, but it was close to $300 more, which didn't seem worth it all things considered.
I got this monitor for 600. I use it mostly for productivity
I would just argue that testing brightness on a 100% white scenario is very unrealistic. The whole point of brightness is to have impactful HDR highlights, a 10% window should much more accurately reflect a real world scenario.
I got this at half price and loving it.
would you recommend this monitor at its now discounted price of $500 USD? ($699 CAD)
Wondering this as well.
Can you Review the new updated version of Odyssey Neo G7 and Neo G8?
I'm really interested in the 32" odyssey g7 as an oled alternative. If I wanted/needed a 40"+ I'd just get a c2. Honestly, If I could wall mount, I might do that anyways.
I had the Neo G8 before going straight to the C2.
The Neo was (for me) already a huuuge step up from my normal Odyssey G7, so much better blacks/colors and the highlights (im a 24/7 HDR on guy - Auto HDR and so on) made you squint your eyes from time to time.
But i dont know, i still wanted the perfect blacks in the end.
Not enough about work and productivity. Some might look for those big screens only for work and productivity purposes (CAD, modelling, spreadsheets). 22:31
Whatever black magic Samsung is doing on the curved G7 VA panels obviously isn't happening here then
I feel like the branding of this display is wrong... the G7 name is associated with fast pixel response, it was the USP for the other VA panels especially
I have the samsung g8 OLED and I have never had an issue with text readability doing work. Its a big deal in your reviews but very minimal in day to day usage IMHO
What in the world!! That response time is from the 90's!
The TV streaming apps are way higher quality than native pc apps. I would welcome the TV based apps
what eyes are you guys using? i cant seriously see the awful description you mention, it looks fine to me.
They're not using "eyes" 🤓 They're using measurements. That's what reviewers do. Almost all high-tech products receive updates to firmware and software throughout their lifetime. Evidently this product has had at least one since this review was published. However, the reviewer can only test what's in front of him at the moment. This review is a year old already and just a 30 second glance through the comments would have shown you all of this.
Enjoy your fine screen, I'm actually considering buying one myself 😊
Great in-depth review with lots of information. Planning for code development. Does this monitor support 4K upscaling from 720p or HD?
Wahooo more monitor content!
Have this monitor and I'm about to send it back. It's a TV first and a monitor second. If your computer screen turns off or goes to sleep, the "Monitor" will consistently show "No device connected". Also randomly disconnects and switches inputs.
The button on the monitor itself is almost microscopic, and the remote has 5 buttons for random TV services (Disney, Netflix, etc.) but has no button whatsoever for quickly changing the inputs. You have to click several different menu options to change your inputs. The OS is incredibly frustrating and is constantly trying to get you to use its TV oriented features.
Out of the box tuning was also pretty terrible but it has plenty of adjustability so it was fixable. Was sooo hopeful for this one but if it's being used primarily as a work/personal monitor, this thing is a hard pass
I got a qn90b 43" for 630€ on amazon prime day. Waiting to test it.
Thanks for the review
I guess I am still looking for a good 43" LCD display.
Was really looking forward to this review when I saw you had done it. I have a 43 inch QN90B here in the UK and I love it. From the specs you read out it sounded like a QN90B but with a display port, poorer stand and mat finish.
Apart from the poor viewing angles being poor ish on the QN90B (but not to the extent you describe for example when sitting in front of it there are no uniformity issues) the review is miles from the experience I have had with the QN90B, uniformity is really good, you don't notice any black level smearing in games. Games look incredible in HDR. And it gets really bright to the point I have the backlight on 30 out of 50, any more and its too bright for me in a room with 2 windows. 144Hz VRR works flawlessly. In fact if I was giving a friend a recommendation I would say go for it with the QN90B with the only thing I would recommend in getting a soundbar of some sort as the TV speakers are beyond rubbish.
I am not a Samsung shrill by the way. I bought the TV through their partner program for £540 (very cheap here in the UK) and it advertised a 5 year warranty was available on the purchase page, which they are not honouring and won't even let me buy from them so they aren't in my favour at the moment. I would rather of bought the TV at the going rate of £750 with the warranty. But I digress.
I wonder if a firmware update is imminent with the Neo G7 as the panel is much more capable than your findings in my opinion, Samsung have a tendency of breaking things with firmware but at least they fix them eventually.
Oh and its odd that they used the panel (from the specs) from the 2022 QN90B which is VA and not the newer 2023 QN90C which is not.
I've had the same great experience with mine as well
Scratch that the C is a VA panel for the 43 inch. I thought it was different, turns out its larger models that dont have VA
Can't believe this post just dropped. I was at a local retailer about an hour ago deciding between a Dell 32" IPS gaming monitor or the Samsung QN90B. Almost pulled the trigger on the QN90B, but decided to do more research. I am still undecided at this point. Will be used as a gaming monitor for my PS5. The Dell is the G3223D 1440 2K model. Fast IPS, but HDR is really non existent and so I was looking at the QN90B which is available at about the same price. There has been mixed reviews on the QN90B,but RTINGS actually rate it well for a gaming TV/ monitor.
the main thing that would stop me from getting it is those response times, they are horrendous. would never spend money on a gaming monitor/tv that slow nowadays.
@Monitors Unboxed are you ever going to test Dell G3223Q? Very surprised that i haven't seen it tested by you as it has been around for a year+. Looks like solid alternative to M32U in 4k 32' monitors section.
Hello there! Love the content and really appreciate all the work and dedication that goes into these videos. That said, back in August of 2017 I purchased the Asus PG279Q IPS GSync Monitor for $750 and I am still using it as my main gaming monitor right now (1440p/165Hz). I am really thinking of going with the LG C2 but I have no way of knowing how my current monitor compares to this newer tech (obviously I know differences like LCD/LED/IPS/etc, but not nits, color space calibrations, etc). Has anyone done (or would you do) a video like this for my monitor? I have no idea how it rates in any of these categories and I realize I am likely good no matter what I choose, but since I do not upgrade monitors all that regularly, I want to make sure I have all the facts before doing so. I game in a dark room (no windows open) with an RTX 4080 (would like GSync if it still matters) and will be exclusively for gaming with very little to no work use. I very much want a 4k display that is clean and crisp and can do true HDR. I want to be floored by how amazing it looks.
Samsung needs to sponsor an ad for good views on here...
Hmmm samsung is currently selling this for $380. This review doesn't make me excited for this monitor, but I wondering if at $380 it's a no brainer.
I'd like to see you review Y34WZ-30 when it becomes available and the AG344UXM. LCD-based 21:9 options have been somewhat neglected, I feel :)
That being said, I was not uninterested in this model, but ... this is TERRIBLE.
Gaaah, so close to perfect for my needs. Hope they can fix the response time.
I wouldn’t hold my breath. It’s just another slow VA panel, I guess overdrive tuning only goes so far…
Curious, any firmware updates since review 3 months ago? or still not worht getting it?
Why does Tim look so different on the Insta360 webcam.
Lets just hope that the Asus 38 inch 4k will be better than this. Sad that the motion performance sucks this much. I really expected better from samsung
The Asus will be edge-lit so it’s going to be mediocre as well.
@@DariusPL really? Ahh fuck
@@illansuu9572 Yes, unfortunately… No contrast, no blacks, no real HDR, plus IPS glow. Just a larger (and probably twice as expensive) M32U or PG32UQ…
For the record, I bought this Montior specifically because I had issues PC gaming on an LG OLED that they refued to fix because they said "customer is under the impression that this is a monitor and it not capable of being a monitor" LG will refuse to repair any issues with PC as the input for their C2/C3 models. So yeah, keep that in mind. I even filed a complaint with the BBB and they doubled down and said the exact same thing. So it is what it is. Samsung will always get my money regardless now.
@blue-lu3iz In all fairness the C2 does have a "PC Mode" built into it. This means they are fully aware of how it can and will be used. Perhaps part of the problem may come from those who don't use such a mode when using the PC.
@blue-lu3iz So my issue is that when I have content that is 4k@120hz I get lines and artifacting and the image will completely cut out and show snow. I have a rocketfish Ultra HDMI Cable that's 8ft and the tech that showed up was able to replicate the issue so they made a repair to fix it. They replaced the main board, and a week later, it started happening again. They tried to use the LG WebOS to find content that is 4k@120hz and its not even capable of streaming content at this frame rate because it requires so much data. The only device I have that can output 4k 120hz is a PC, and that's what I was using, and LG denied to repair my TV because i'm "using my TV as a monitor" I still have a broken TV to this day. So the tech that came out to my house has a streaming APp that goes to the LG engineers and unless you're having the issue on site when the tech is there, they can deny your repair even if your issue is intermittent. I need to point out specifically that I have replaced my Motherboard and went from B550 AMD to Intel, and Switched from a 3070 TI to a 7900 XTX and the issue persists even after replacing the Rocketfish Ultra HDMI cable, at this point, the only possible part that could be at fault is the OLED Panel / TCon which are paired by LG. The price to replace this second hand is $900 which is actually more than the C2 48" retails for right now this second. So yeah. Be warned, LG WILL NOT fix any issues related to PC users using their TV as a "monitor"
@@deuswulf6193 Trust me, I pointed this out to them via my BBB complaint, and there's nothing in the Warranty info that says that they wont cover issues that originate from a PC yet they denied me anyway and they will deny anybody in the future. If you go the BBB and view the complaints for LG Electronics, there are dozens of gamers just like me that aren't getting their voice heard and are stuck with broken TVs. Its obvious that people like Monitors Unboxed have no idea that LG are doing this, and its only a matter of time before major media outlets catch wind of it. I can assure you, they will not fix your TV if you use a PC as the source for your video and you have issues at 4k 120hz
Samsung TVs have this really weird problem, when in game mode with high local dimming setting, they get crazy desaturated in low brightness settings. If you had a black screen with a small colored object somewhere, the colors would get really messed up independent of the zone count. I am really concerned about this monitor having the same issue
And you can't change Black Level on PC mode, I tried anything and still can't managed till now
@@RifqiFavian I've had no problems with that. Do you mean that the blacks are raised?
@@ubivatel4207 No, on the External Device Manager. HDMI Black Level on my TV (QN90C) can't be changed at all, it's weird while it's not a problem on the Console
@@RifqiFavian do you have your PC set to output full RGB? I unfortunately don't know the solution if so
@@ubivatel4207 Yes, and tried the Ycbcr444 and still can't be changed. I'm so confused
@randomguy36j98 how long is the DP cable supplied with the monitor? Does it also come with an HDMI cable that can run 4k@144hz? Just bought it but it will get shipped to my home later this month :) Payed 600€ and i expect most - if not all - issues fixed by firmware updates by now.