@ it gives you 25 and a bit hours. When racing AI it’s best to turn fuel useage off, as the AI aren’t effected by the weight of the fuel in the car and you have to wait for your tank to drop to 50% before you can keep up with them. I have fuel useage turned off, stop for fuel switched off, tyres wear authentic and mandatory change four tyres pit stop selected.
Some very interesting stories on how gt1 went from sports cars to barely disguised prototypes. One of the rules was you had to have a certain amount of luggage space, I believe toyota found a loophole where they could use the empty fuel tank to count as that requirement
What a great combo. The CLK LM GTR with a seq shifter, motion and VR in AMS2 is probably the most fun Ive had in any sim. The car is an absolute beast and is just waiting to punish you for any input mistakes. And, yes, it eats tires. If you are a masochist, take this car on the Nords. lol Thanks for the content, GP. The Warsteiner livery was a nice touch :)
Hope to see you doing some group C in 1.6, in my opinion they're one of the most improved classes in the update, they lost their weird low speed wiggly feeling and have that solid mechanical grip like they should, but feel even more intense when pushing to the aero's limit. Super enjoyable to drive at tracks like historic Hockenheim, Buenos Aires no. 15, etc. in fact, that Buenos Aires layout is probably my favorite for group C, absolutely insane through the big loop section.
Same. People criticise it, but I really enjoy the look, feel and immersion. But then I really enjoyed those things about pcars 2 as well! I have everything else, but AMS2 just works for me!
Bus stop Spa is my favorite version of Francorchamps too. If you want to talk about truly random weather, run a race at Spa on the 4th of May, 2019- you'll be in for a big surprise which actually happened lmao
@truantray so? AI can't handle a lot of chicanes in racing games. That doesn't take away from how amazing this version of Spa looks, or how much fun it is to drive.
Thank you Jake - you impart so much information as you race. I don't know how have the time to explore and find out so much. For us time-stretched folk, your commentary explains and highlights so much useful information. I'm definitely going to try the random weather trick! Such a good looking game.
Thunderflash's JGTC mod works wonderful as a secondary class. All GT cars, a bunch of them raced at LeMans (the NSX, the Supra, 2 of the Nissans, the Ferrari), all mid-90s contemporaries to the GT1s, and their pace appropriately slower - it's very probable they would have raced together - honestly all that's missing is a Viper and a Porsche and it would
Glad to see you doing more AMS2! The REAL Weather option is really cool. I think I'll try Jim in the Crew Chief, the others mostly add to my stress level...
You may notice the Merc does not appear to have a current gear indication on the dash. This is because it had a rudimentary heads-up display with the current gear projected on the windscreen. You can see it on real-world videos. It needs adding to this car for those of us who race "bare-screen" (no overlays) and VR.
I absolutely adore the GT1's in AMS2. They are not as unhinged as the Group C insano-machines but way less sterile then the modern hypercars. Great stuff.
Sports car endurance racing and especially GT racing really had a weird point throughout the 90s and early 2000s post Group C. GT1 was mainly meant to be for road going cars wanting to race Le Mans mainly. The ACO and FIA were coming up with a replacement prototype class for Group C with the WSC/LMP cars. But manufacturers like Porsche, Mercedes, etc. found loopholes within the rulebook that essentially brought along homologated specials that were essentially prototypes with a road car body. It got to a point where something had to be done since it was just Porsche and Mercedes dominating the class at Le Mans and the FIA GT Championship. So Group GT1 became LMGTP for Le Mans and other major endurance races with the Le Mans Series and ALMS while GTS became the top GT class. FIA GT Championship used GT2 cars for the series, and GTS and N-GT classes would become the GT1 and GT2 classes everyone would know through the 2000s and 2010s til both their demises.
Eh it really shouldn’t. Not unless the world’s economy sinks deeper than the Mariana Trench. Plus compared to their old GT1 and GT2/GTE counterparts, they’re more widely used. GT1: ALMS, Le Mans Series/ILMC, early ELMS, and FIA GT Championship/FIA GT1 World Championship. GT2/GTE: ALMS & IMSA GTLM, Le Mans Series/ILMC/WEC, and ELMS. GT3: IMSA, WEC, ELMS, AsLMS, GTWC+GT Europe, GT America, GT Britain, GT Asia, GT Australia, VLN/NLS, Super GT, DTM, Britcar, even Trans Am with their production car classes, the grocery list goes on.
Correction: The 911 GT1 and CLK GTR aren't loophole abuse, just particularly absurd examples of what some manufacturers are willing to go through just to have an edge. From 1994 to 1997, homologation rules mandated 25 road-going examples for a model to run in GT1, and that's exactly how many both makes built: 20 coupes and 6 roadsters for the CLK GTR Straßenversions, and 25 total for the 911 GT1 Straßenversion. In 1998, the required production run was _explicitly_ lowered to one car, which is why Nissan and Toyota's contenders only had one road relative each and why Porsche and Mercedes also only made one road variant apiece of their 1998 cars. A loophole is "an ambiguity or inadequacy in the law or a set of rules". There's nothing ambiguous here: the GT1 rules just _allowed_ things to get that crazy.
Good to see that AI seems to have a little edge on you through Eau Rouge as well, even if AI Speed isn't too fast in other areas of the track. While I am not able to stay with them at 110% and have them only at 100% the pattern is the same for me.
Something broke with 1.6 where we have gone backwards and the AI pit way more frequently for fuel than they need to. I did some testing with the LMDh at Daytona a week ago and half the field will start with 90L and the other half will start with a full 110L. Both fuel loads though will pit within a lap of each other when they have used about 55L of fuel. Some cars will fill anywhere to 90L-108 and others will fill to 110L. It completely breaks the immersion of endurance racing as you will once again just win or beat a lot of AI purely for the fact that they are pitting far more frequently then they actually need to.
on the homologation front, I believe there were a few different phases of GT1 with the early 90s (mclaren F1, bugatti EB110, Jaguar XJ220, etc) being very different from the late 90s (Mercedes CLK GTR, Porsche 911 GT1, Nissan R390, etc), which was also very different from the 2000s (Aston Martin DBR9, Lamborghini Murcieallago, Dodge Viper, Maserati MC12 GTR, etc) The middle era was nicknamed "the prototype era" where the homologation rules were made very lax, to the point where that Nissan you have in the race (the R390 short tail) had only one "street version" in existance, AND when they made the Long-tail, they just built it off of that very car meaning there is no longer an R390 short tail homologation car. This was also the era where toyota made their GT1 car, really hammering home that this was the prototype era, only for the real prototypes to come back and race alongside them for 1999(?)
The homologation rules at the time were confusing. Nissan only did LeMans, which allowed them to make only the 1 road car that had to pass an MOT. Porsche and Mercedes had to have a customer road car programme, I think of around 20 to 30 buyable road going cars. Yet Lotus, Panoz, Lister, Sard and Mclaren were exempt from this rule. This was 'explained' as being the size of the manufacturer. By 98, this rule (I presume) had be swept under the carpet and the new Porsche and Mercedes didn't need to meet the 20 car requirement (I believe they were orginally asked to make 100) either. Which is sort of fair, when you consider Nissan and Toyota only had to comply with LM rules. All in all you can see a definite progression (or slide depending on your view point). The 94 converted road cars. The 95 race cars for the road, Mclaren and Ferrari taking advantage of it. The 96 more racing car versions of these. Then late 96 the homologated Porsche taking advantage of the BPR rules. Then the 97 cars progressing on from the 993 GT1. Then the 98 cars that were definitely prototypes, but with a road legal example to 99 cars that were 100% protoptypes. The Toyota TSO20 did have a lot of significant changes from 98 -99. With the 1 converted car being a fair chunk slower.
Nice video ! If you want to "invest" more time into setting things up you can actually merge the mod cars into the default game categories. There are some tutorial on how to do this (it is not that complex and logn to do), that can help you further for immersion :)
You do get road car versions of the McLaren, Porsche and Mercedes. Very limited. I live in Scotland and there is a Porsche GT1 Road car which the local driver uses a lot. Amazing to see it on the road.
Since you mentioned it during the race: yes, I'd like to see your take on one of the Thunderflash mods. Maybe do another similar endurance race in one of their mods and let us know how it compares to the stock Reiza cars. Recently I tried a different mod car that's just been updated to 1.6 and it felt loose, as though the suspension was way too soft. Then again it could've just been me. You'd be in a better position to judge as I haven't driven the GT1s.
There's definitely some AI weirdness when watching your mirrors. Hard to tell whether turning down the AI mistakes would improve that. Graphics are sooo good except for the bouncing in pits and jittery shadows. Best part is all the car details (vibrating wiper blades and damage). I really need to convert my pedals to Hall effect sensors and working to get back enjoying the updates!
Really really great combo. Honestly AMS2 might have the best offline experience for simracers in the market with how immersive and customizable it is. I do think though that the custom AI is messing with the game a little bit. I've been racing some 20% or 1h races with 2x mistakes and still see very few of them. Other than that, really fun and chaotic race there 😂
I think the strange behavior of the AI is linked to the custom AI files. I had a couple of 90 minute group C races at this version of Spa and their pit strategy and rate of mistakes was completely plausible. I think AMS2 is the best when it's untouched by 3rd party content.
Great video! Would be nice to mention your settings (race date, tire wear acceleration, fuel usage acceleration, time acceleration) in the video description, so we can replicate these exact settings.
@GPLaps Just tried these same settings, except started at 3 PM and was driving the McLaren. Something interesting happened, when I came in for my 2nd pitstop, I got the message that my pit space was occupied and the car just drove through the pits without stopping. I just managed another lap and had 0.2 liters fuel left!. So my race was almost over because of this.
I find the AI pretty inconsistent in ams2, with the Brazil stock cars at road Atalanta 100% ai is at least half a second slower per lap. At Watkins Glen where I actually know the track well there half a second faster than me and pass me on the straights like they have drs
Great combo. Very entertaining race. What about revisiting the Formula Juniors again in AMS2? I think that is one of the greatest classes in AMS2...and 60's open wheelers is GPLaps territory for sure :)
it really feels like ams2 needs to put together proper multiclass packages. i'm glad they have modern ones, but they have nothing to run with the gt1 cars, nothing to run with the group c/gtp cars, nothing to run with the porsche/corvette group 4 cars, and nothing to run with the corvette/bmw group 2 cars. let me run some period-correct multiclass! 80s gto, 70s group 5, and 60s group 4 and 5 would be incredible. (i'd also love to see proper normal touring added as well, replicating the nurburgring 24h would be so sweet.) i've experienced the same issues with the ai in the bus stop on previous updates in the group c cars, just fyi. quite annoying to drive around :( those moves in bruxelles were funny. the least optimistic one got you turned in on as if you were invisible, and the desperate lunge came off cleanly haha
Riccardo Patrese was Michael Schmuacher's teammate at Benetton in '93. Then he left, and came back and drove at Le Mans in 1997 (or '98)... Weirdly he happens to be someone whose entire career can almost be replicated in AMS 2, starting from his entry to F1, time at Brabham, Williams, and Benetton, then GT1 and even some Group C that he did in the 80s. He's my favourite racing driver and II always take number his 6 when racing! He then took up show jumping, but came back to 24 hours of spa in 2018. If only we had the NSX (and some showjumping mods) and his entire racing career would be replicable in AMS2.
Wasn't he also in a band, and an astronaut? Oh and don't forget the time he solved world peace just by snapping his fingers! But his crowning achievement has to be his excellent range of quality cheeses. 😂
GT1 didn't change rules or what have you: Porsche and Mercedes simply started making homologation specials rather then modifying existing kit. The "Straßenversionen" of both the CLK GT1 and 911 GT1 exist and they do look the part. off-course, them doing this also effectively killed the class because of the escalating costs. Oops.
Right, they designed the racing version first and the homologation around that after the fact- if memory serves, there was one particularly egregious model where they didn't have a homologation car until or maybe even after the end of the season.
It's pretty confusing, but there were definitely rule changes. Also, rules for LeMans and FIA GT were different. This allowed Nissan to make just the one road example. Different rules/rule changes were most evident with the Jaguar XJ220C. Raced LeMans 1993-1995. Was not allowed to race BPR due to the too few number of the road cars, XJ220S. However, made a bit of a comeback with the rule changes in 1997. Also, the large manufacturers (Porsche and Mercedes) were ordered to make a certain amount of road cars (which they both failed), the number was then brought down. Whereas none of the other GT1 cars of 1997 had any more than 1 MOT version, that never was sold as a road car (including the F1 long tail). Then the 98 versions Porsche and Mercedes didn't have to make sale-able road cars anymore. There must have been other changes between 97 and 98 (other than this and the turbo restrictors) as the lap times were massively different.
Other way around. The road cars were made to fit the race programme. This is what made a lot of GT fans angry with this formula. Whereas, the F40 and F1 short-tail were 'race cars for the road' that were converted back to race cars and then had a racing version; Porsche turned all that on its head by making a race car and the required road cars off of that so they could go racing. It sounds like a small point, but it totally changed the class. For me, for the better. For the traditionalists, it ruined GT racing for a long period.
Yeah the rules were very loose. When the series began, a mere _promise_ of 20 road cars was enough for homologation. Then in '97, the FIA returned to sanctioning and put their foot down-requiring ONE whole street-legal example actually be built. Porsche's road cars were called Straßenversion (street-version) The '98 "Evo" you're racing against is the third iteration of the 911 GT1, and featured Porsche's first carbon fiber chassis, replacing the tubular steel frame and 962 rear end (lol) of its earlier ones. They all had mid-engine placement, which we wouldn't see in another so-called 911 until the 991 911 RSR. Thankfully the regs in GTD brought the engine back to the rear like the production cars GT1 is one of my favorite eras of sports car endurance, but like Group 5 it was proptype in all but name
Nissan was even more extreme in their negligence of the road-going model regulations by eschewing the 200 examples rule and literally made just one. Automobilistic has a great video he just made on the Nissan GT1 car
The Panoz, Lister, Mclaren (long tail), Sard 97 and Toyota were all the same. Toyota only did LM 98. Nissan got away with it because they only did LeMans. The others as they were classed as small manufacturers I believe.
on the topic of not seeing these cars in any other sim: the Porsche is in Assetto Corsa but honestly I never understood the praise that car gets in AC, I know both the GT1 and group c cars have horrendous stock setups but even with a lot of tuning I always found that the GT1 felt pretty awful honestly, for a Le Mans endurance car is sure has absolutely zero front end and really does not to do anything that requires downforce. whereas in AMS2 sure they might be a little "too easy" to get along with but if you aren't careful you can and will flip these cars & from what I can tell from onboard footage Reiza seem's to have gotten most of the GT1's to react to being driven hard in a way that you'd expect and that makes sense, plus this new tyre model and the further tweaks to aero make (from the cars I have tested and driven) for quite a convincing time in sim, which can not always be said for some of the more established sims known for their offline content.
The AI exiting the bus stop chicane is a problem with various other cars I've tried like late 80's , early 90's F1 cars. Hopefully it gets fixed as the 93 Spa is so cool to drive.
I’m having problems with shadows being aliased and shimmering. I can’t quite tell if you have the same issue. Are you doing anything to improve your shadows?
Nice showcase of AMS2 with great commentary. AI at 110 is very very fast. At the end, you say that is not exactly what you hoped, but what exactly did you hope ?
What skill setting and aggression did you use? I was used to beating max aggression 120 skill AI and even lapping them before the update, but now they are really aggressive and keep bumping me off the track. Without AI messing me up I'm doing 2.07 consistently in race setup and I have the WR in TT. But the AI felt unplayable for me. I've attempted this race 200 times last week. 😅😅😅
Yeah the AI seem much less realistic frankly. They hound you relentlessly and defend/overtake unpredictably. I feel like I can hardly finish a race without contact
@@conehed1138 I'm used to run all maxed out, it's nice to make them more competitive but somehow now they feel very unrealistic in the way they drive, and also the aggression is pure madness. on spa93 fast corners they pit maneuver and their "train" is too tight, less "concertina effect" like a real race scenario. in some moments they are 100% glued to each other and the car behind still bumps into you while making you bump into the car in front and making every corner entry a potential spin as if the player wasn't there, and now the player has to drive in a very unrealistic way. before I used to even lap the AI at max aggression and 120skill which wasn't ideal, but at least they looked "raceable" and I had min-maxed setups to beat the AI so easily. right now the AI experience is just off, uncanny, weird. I've reduced from max to high aggression and it's much better but the problems still persist to a lesser extent.
They need to give GP Laps a series to do what he wants in LFM. It looks like LFM is all but ditching GT1, judging by this weekend schedule. It sucks that they keep doing this crap with AC and now AMS2... they run the standard GT3/LMP and then crap like F3 and Ginetta Cup while letting some of the truly great classes sit there doing nothing. Grp.A also getting maybe 1 or 2 races per day on the weekends now when they should run at least every 2 hours.
What an honour to see you do a video with my skinpack! 🤩 As always very enjoyable to watch and just the right thing after a long day of work. 😁
Winding down from working overnight and this is just what the doctor ordered . Throughly enjoy GPLaps anytime of day or night .... this is great !!!
Just finishing up a double and seeing the notification for this made me crack a smile
50 minute plus one lap race at x30 time progression, mandatory pit stop and start the race at 11am. That’s my favourite settings for endurance racing.
Does that give you about 24 hours?
Do you adjust tire/fuel use?
@ it gives you 25 and a bit hours. When racing AI it’s best to turn fuel useage off, as the AI aren’t effected by the weight of the fuel in the car and you have to wait for your tank to drop to 50% before you can keep up with them. I have fuel useage turned off, stop for fuel switched off, tyres wear authentic and mandatory change four tyres pit stop selected.
Loving all this AMS2 content the past week or so. Couldn't click on this one any faster 🤣 Thanks for all you do, GP!
GT1 is one of the best racing series!!!
I hope it comes back one day
Please PLEASE keep uploading ams2!
AMS2 always amazing!! Great content!
Some very interesting stories on how gt1 went from sports cars to barely disguised prototypes. One of the rules was you had to have a certain amount of luggage space, I believe toyota found a loophole where they could use the empty fuel tank to count as that requirement
I love when these videos come out. I would love more AMS 2.
What a great combo. The CLK LM GTR with a seq shifter, motion and VR in AMS2 is probably the most fun Ive had in any sim. The car is an absolute beast and is just waiting to punish you for any input mistakes. And, yes, it eats tires. If you are a masochist, take this car on the Nords. lol
Thanks for the content, GP. The Warsteiner livery was a nice touch :)
Hope to see you doing some group C in 1.6, in my opinion they're one of the most improved classes in the update, they lost their weird low speed wiggly feeling and have that solid mechanical grip like they should, but feel even more intense when pushing to the aero's limit. Super enjoyable to drive at tracks like historic Hockenheim, Buenos Aires no. 15, etc. in fact, that Buenos Aires layout is probably my favorite for group C, absolutely insane through the big loop section.
are their pit strategies solid?
The Buenos Aries layout with the historic F1 cars is incredible. The RF2 version was good, but now with the AMS2 update it's light years ahead.
AMS2 always amazing!! Great content! The mods of the goup C are amazing too!!
The jumping image in the PIT is obviously beyond repair
AMS2 becomes my main simracing.
Same. People criticise it, but I really enjoy the look, feel and immersion. But then I really enjoyed those things about pcars 2 as well!
I have everything else, but AMS2 just works for me!
Bus stop Spa is my favorite version of Francorchamps too. If you want to talk about truly random weather, run a race at Spa on the 4th of May, 2019- you'll be in for a big surprise which actually happened lmao
But you can see AI can't drive the bus stop.
@truantray so? AI can't handle a lot of chicanes in racing games. That doesn't take away from how amazing this version of Spa looks, or how much fun it is to drive.
Gt1 endurance race at spa? And on my birthday? Lets go 🤟🏻
Happy bday 😂🎉
Happy Birthday!
Happy birthday!
Knocked it out of the park, GP. Love the historic content. Them tall curbs, not like the modern GT3s pounding them.
Thank you Jake - you impart so much information as you race. I don't know how have the time to explore and find out so much. For us time-stretched folk, your commentary explains and highlights so much useful information. I'm definitely going to try the random weather trick! Such a good looking game.
Thunderflash's JGTC mod works wonderful as a secondary class. All GT cars, a bunch of them raced at LeMans (the NSX, the Supra, 2 of the Nissans, the Ferrari), all mid-90s contemporaries to the GT1s, and their pace appropriately slower - it's very probable they would have raced together - honestly all that's missing is a Viper and a Porsche and it would
The clk gtr and Porsche gt1 actually do have road going counterparts. They're as bonkers as you'd imagine
Glad to see you doing more AMS2! The REAL Weather option is really cool. I think I'll try Jim in the Crew Chief, the others mostly add to my stress level...
I see the Brazilian PCars2 bootleg has come a long way. nice.
You may notice the Merc does not appear to have a current gear indication on the dash. This is because it had a rudimentary heads-up display with the current gear projected on the windscreen. You can see it on real-world videos. It needs adding to this car for those of us who race "bare-screen" (no overlays) and VR.
A bit of a déjà-vu there on the last lap 😅
Im seeing a trend 🫣
I absolutely adore the GT1's in AMS2. They are not as unhinged as the Group C insano-machines but way less sterile then the modern hypercars. Great stuff.
This gets me hyped to play AMS2 honestly haha. I love your track/car combo's and AMS is great
That is really such a fantastic car/track combination.
Jumped on last night after work on LFM and raced LM2s on Lemans track WOW
Sports car endurance racing and especially GT racing really had a weird point throughout the 90s and early 2000s post Group C. GT1 was mainly meant to be for road going cars wanting to race Le Mans mainly. The ACO and FIA were coming up with a replacement prototype class for Group C with the WSC/LMP cars. But manufacturers like Porsche, Mercedes, etc. found loopholes within the rulebook that essentially brought along homologated specials that were essentially prototypes with a road car body. It got to a point where something had to be done since it was just Porsche and Mercedes dominating the class at Le Mans and the FIA GT Championship. So Group GT1 became LMGTP for Le Mans and other major endurance races with the Le Mans Series and ALMS while GTS became the top GT class. FIA GT Championship used GT2 cars for the series, and GTS and N-GT classes would become the GT1 and GT2 classes everyone would know through the 2000s and 2010s til both their demises.
Expecting to see the GT3 class be replaced by another as costs get worse
Eh it really shouldn’t. Not unless the world’s economy sinks deeper than the Mariana Trench. Plus compared to their old GT1 and GT2/GTE counterparts, they’re more widely used.
GT1: ALMS, Le Mans Series/ILMC, early ELMS, and FIA GT Championship/FIA GT1 World Championship.
GT2/GTE: ALMS & IMSA GTLM, Le Mans Series/ILMC/WEC, and ELMS.
GT3: IMSA, WEC, ELMS, AsLMS, GTWC+GT Europe, GT America, GT Britain, GT Asia, GT Australia, VLN/NLS, Super GT, DTM, Britcar, even Trans Am with their production car classes, the grocery list goes on.
Correction: The 911 GT1 and CLK GTR aren't loophole abuse, just particularly absurd examples of what some manufacturers are willing to go through just to have an edge. From 1994 to 1997, homologation rules mandated 25 road-going examples for a model to run in GT1, and that's exactly how many both makes built: 20 coupes and 6 roadsters for the CLK GTR Straßenversions, and 25 total for the 911 GT1 Straßenversion.
In 1998, the required production run was _explicitly_ lowered to one car, which is why Nissan and Toyota's contenders only had one road relative each and why Porsche and Mercedes also only made one road variant apiece of their 1998 cars. A loophole is "an ambiguity or inadequacy in the law or a set of rules". There's nothing ambiguous here: the GT1 rules just _allowed_ things to get that crazy.
Good to see that AI seems to have a little edge on you through Eau Rouge as well, even if AI Speed isn't too fast in other areas of the track. While I am not able to stay with them at 110% and have them only at 100% the pattern is the same for me.
Something broke with 1.6 where we have gone backwards and the AI pit way more frequently for fuel than they need to. I did some testing with the LMDh at Daytona a week ago and half the field will start with 90L and the other half will start with a full 110L. Both fuel loads though will pit within a lap of each other when they have used about 55L of fuel. Some cars will fill anywhere to 90L-108 and others will fill to 110L. It completely breaks the immersion of endurance racing as you will once again just win or beat a lot of AI purely for the fact that they are pitting far more frequently then they actually need to.
Fuel usage is still broken. Better turned it off completely
@Argy_V their usage is fine it's their pit strategies that are broken.
Very good one ! Welcome to Belgium 👌
your videos are so relaxing, thank you!
Reccomendation: You can change the class field in the .crd xml file of the cars in the mod package to make them run in the same GT1 class.
They made road going versions of all of these Even the Mercedes you're driving they're kind of wild
I eagerly wait for your videos. They're such a joy. Well done!
10:00 I also like using random weather settings but I wish it was more like modded AC where there also random "dry" weather and random "bad" weather.
on the homologation front, I believe there were a few different phases of GT1 with the early 90s (mclaren F1, bugatti EB110, Jaguar XJ220, etc) being very different from the late 90s (Mercedes CLK GTR, Porsche 911 GT1, Nissan R390, etc), which was also very different from the 2000s (Aston Martin DBR9, Lamborghini Murcieallago, Dodge Viper, Maserati MC12 GTR, etc)
The middle era was nicknamed "the prototype era" where the homologation rules were made very lax, to the point where that Nissan you have in the race (the R390 short tail) had only one "street version" in existance, AND when they made the Long-tail, they just built it off of that very car meaning there is no longer an R390 short tail homologation car. This was also the era where toyota made their GT1 car, really hammering home that this was the prototype era, only for the real prototypes to come back and race alongside them for 1999(?)
The homologation rules at the time were confusing. Nissan only did LeMans, which allowed them to make only the 1 road car that had to pass an MOT. Porsche and Mercedes had to have a customer road car programme, I think of around 20 to 30 buyable road going cars. Yet Lotus, Panoz, Lister, Sard and Mclaren were exempt from this rule. This was 'explained' as being the size of the manufacturer. By 98, this rule (I presume) had be swept under the carpet and the new Porsche and Mercedes didn't need to meet the 20 car requirement (I believe they were orginally asked to make 100) either. Which is sort of fair, when you consider Nissan and Toyota only had to comply with LM rules. All in all you can see a definite progression (or slide depending on your view point). The 94 converted road cars. The 95 race cars for the road, Mclaren and Ferrari taking advantage of it. The 96 more racing car versions of these. Then late 96 the homologated Porsche taking advantage of the BPR rules. Then the 97 cars progressing on from the 993 GT1. Then the 98 cars that were definitely prototypes, but with a road legal example to 99 cars that were 100% protoptypes. The Toyota TSO20 did have a lot of significant changes from 98 -99. With the 1 converted car being a fair chunk slower.
have you noticed the Trees will be in different states on time of year? this caught me off guard but it is very cool
Nice video ! If you want to "invest" more time into setting things up you can actually merge the mod cars into the default game categories. There are some tutorial on how to do this (it is not that complex and logn to do), that can help you further for immersion :)
You do get road car versions of the McLaren, Porsche and Mercedes. Very limited.
I live in Scotland and there is a Porsche GT1 Road car which the local driver uses a lot.
Amazing to see it on the road.
48:08 Oh, noo!
51:48 Another spinner 😯
1:03:37 Replay of the 1st hit (awesome battle)
Vintage Formula next! since you asked 😋 I don't own AMS2 yet but I watch anything you drop 😄
Nissan GTP ZX-Turbo and R390 GT1 ftw! 😁
Since you mentioned it during the race: yes, I'd like to see your take on one of the Thunderflash mods. Maybe do another similar endurance race in one of their mods and let us know how it compares to the stock Reiza cars. Recently I tried a different mod car that's just been updated to 1.6 and it felt loose, as though the suspension was way too soft. Then again it could've just been me. You'd be in a better position to judge as I haven't driven the GT1s.
48:08 "He just turned in on me!"
God we really need 90s GT2s in sims to do proper multiclass races with these things
@gplaps fun fact, the car you were driving was one of the first cars in endurance racing to actually implement paddle shifting
There's definitely some AI weirdness when watching your mirrors. Hard to tell whether turning down the AI mistakes would improve that. Graphics are sooo good except for the bouncing in pits and jittery shadows. Best part is all the car details (vibrating wiper blades and damage). I really need to convert my pedals to Hall effect sensors and working to get back enjoying the updates!
Really really great combo. Honestly AMS2 might have the best offline experience for simracers in the market with how immersive and customizable it is. I do think though that the custom AI is messing with the game a little bit. I've been racing some 20% or 1h races with 2x mistakes and still see very few of them. Other than that, really fun and chaotic race there 😂
I think the strange behavior of the AI is linked to the custom AI files. I had a couple of 90 minute group C races at this version of Spa and their pit strategy and rate of mistakes was completely plausible. I think AMS2 is the best when it's untouched by 3rd party content.
Is there a way to just play with the custom sccurate liveries and real names and not change the AI?
We need more car from that class one of the coolest of ams2
Great entertainment! Thanks bro❤
Can you do a video explaining on how to find/create a good setup?
wow this game is looks so good
Great finish.
AI Bouchut behaves to perfection.
Great video! Would be nice to mention your settings (race date, tire wear acceleration, fuel usage acceleration, time acceleration) in the video description, so we can replicate these exact settings.
8/10/24 - 2x wear and fuel - 25x time progression, 2pm start
@GPLaps Just tried these same settings, except started at 3 PM and was driving the McLaren. Something interesting happened, when I came in for my 2nd pitstop, I got the message that my pit space was occupied and the car just drove through the pits without stopping. I just managed another lap and had 0.2 liters fuel left!. So my race was almost over because of this.
I find the AI pretty inconsistent in ams2, with the Brazil stock cars at road Atalanta 100% ai is at least half a second slower per lap. At Watkins Glen where I actually know the track well there half a second faster than me and pass me on the straights like they have drs
Great combo. Very entertaining race.
What about revisiting the Formula Juniors again in AMS2? I think that is one of the greatest classes in AMS2...and 60's open wheelers is GPLaps territory for sure :)
it really feels like ams2 needs to put together proper multiclass packages. i'm glad they have modern ones, but they have nothing to run with the gt1 cars, nothing to run with the group c/gtp cars, nothing to run with the porsche/corvette group 4 cars, and nothing to run with the corvette/bmw group 2 cars. let me run some period-correct multiclass! 80s gto, 70s group 5, and 60s group 4 and 5 would be incredible. (i'd also love to see proper normal touring added as well, replicating the nurburgring 24h would be so sweet.)
i've experienced the same issues with the ai in the bus stop on previous updates in the group c cars, just fyi. quite annoying to drive around :(
those moves in bruxelles were funny. the least optimistic one got you turned in on as if you were invisible, and the desperate lunge came off cleanly haha
Riccardo Patrese was Michael Schmuacher's teammate at Benetton in '93. Then he left, and came back and drove at Le Mans in 1997 (or '98)... Weirdly he happens to be someone whose entire career can almost be replicated in AMS 2, starting from his entry to F1, time at Brabham, Williams, and Benetton, then GT1 and even some Group C that he did in the 80s. He's my favourite racing driver and II always take number his 6 when racing! He then took up show jumping, but came back to 24 hours of spa in 2018. If only we had the NSX (and some showjumping mods) and his entire racing career would be replicable in AMS2.
Wasn't he also in a band, and an astronaut? Oh and don't forget the time he solved world peace just by snapping his fingers! But his crowning achievement has to be his excellent range of quality cheeses. 😂
Were your settings 1 hour plus 1 lap by any chance? That would explain why the race hadn't ended with timer to 0...
Hoping the Toyota and Panoz become official content at some point 🤞
The last two rounds have been extremly entertaining!!!
GT1 didn't change rules or what have you: Porsche and Mercedes simply started making homologation specials rather then modifying existing kit. The "Straßenversionen" of both the CLK GT1 and 911 GT1 exist and they do look the part.
off-course, them doing this also effectively killed the class because of the escalating costs. Oops.
Right, they designed the racing version first and the homologation around that after the fact- if memory serves, there was one particularly egregious model where they didn't have a homologation car until or maybe even after the end of the season.
It's pretty confusing, but there were definitely rule changes. Also, rules for LeMans and FIA GT were different. This allowed Nissan to make just the one road example. Different rules/rule changes were most evident with the Jaguar XJ220C. Raced LeMans 1993-1995. Was not allowed to race BPR due to the too few number of the road cars, XJ220S. However, made a bit of a comeback with the rule changes in 1997. Also, the large manufacturers (Porsche and Mercedes) were ordered to make a certain amount of road cars (which they both failed), the number was then brought down. Whereas none of the other GT1 cars of 1997 had any more than 1 MOT version, that never was sold as a road car (including the F1 long tail). Then the 98 versions Porsche and Mercedes didn't have to make sale-able road cars anymore. There must have been other changes between 97 and 98 (other than this and the turbo restrictors) as the lap times were massively different.
All GT1 are based on road cars even the Nissan that only 1 road cars exist!
Other way around. The road cars were made to fit the race programme. This is what made a lot of GT fans angry with this formula. Whereas, the F40 and F1 short-tail were 'race cars for the road' that were converted back to race cars and then had a racing version; Porsche turned all that on its head by making a race car and the required road cars off of that so they could go racing. It sounds like a small point, but it totally changed the class. For me, for the better. For the traditionalists, it ruined GT racing for a long period.
That ending!
Cool video
Sugestion: f1 93, interlagos rain
It isn't nostalgia, it's the FACT that the bus stop chicane was a great last section and the corner they have replaced it with is complete shit.
Yeah the rules were very loose. When the series began, a mere _promise_ of 20 road cars was enough for homologation. Then in '97, the FIA returned to sanctioning and put their foot down-requiring ONE whole street-legal example actually be built. Porsche's road cars were called Straßenversion (street-version)
The '98 "Evo" you're racing against is the third iteration of the 911 GT1, and featured Porsche's first carbon fiber chassis, replacing the tubular steel frame and 962 rear end (lol) of its earlier ones. They all had mid-engine placement, which we wouldn't see in another so-called 911 until the 991 911 RSR. Thankfully the regs in GTD brought the engine back to the rear like the production cars
GT1 is one of my favorite eras of sports car endurance, but like Group 5 it was proptype in all but name
Jake, I'm sorry, but you need to make a New Year's Resolution: always take 1 more litre of fuel than you think you need.
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From experience GT1 / Group C multi class on a big track like Spa is mega
I love doing a spa 24 with group A and fiat uno's
Nissan was even more extreme in their negligence of the road-going model regulations by eschewing the 200 examples rule and literally made just one.
Automobilistic has a great video he just made on the Nissan GT1 car
The Panoz, Lister, Mclaren (long tail), Sard 97 and Toyota were all the same. Toyota only did LM 98. Nissan got away with it because they only did LeMans. The others as they were classed as small manufacturers I believe.
on the topic of not seeing these cars in any other sim: the Porsche is in Assetto Corsa but honestly I never understood the praise that car gets in AC, I know both the GT1 and group c cars have horrendous stock setups but even with a lot of tuning I always found that the GT1 felt pretty awful honestly, for a Le Mans endurance car is sure has absolutely zero front end and really does not to do anything that requires downforce.
whereas in AMS2 sure they might be a little "too easy" to get along with but if you aren't careful you can and will flip these cars & from what I can tell from onboard footage Reiza seem's to have gotten most of the GT1's to react to being driven hard in a way that you'd expect and that makes sense, plus this new tyre model and the further tweaks to aero make (from the cars I have tested and driven) for quite a convincing time in sim, which can not always be said for some of the more established sims known for their offline content.
Anyone else noticed the AI being super slow on cold tires during warmup laps or after starts without blankets?
Jake you gotta do gt1 lfm races on Le Mans over the weekend xD
Wonderful! Awesome drive altho the ai seem to have watched a bit too much of f1 recently...
V8 supercars in adelaide!
The AI exiting the bus stop chicane is a problem with various other cars I've tried like late 80's , early 90's F1 cars. Hopefully it gets fixed as the 93 Spa is so cool to drive.
For some reason, I can’t get my Accu force wheel to show up. It worked before the update.
Random Weather in AMS2 is like the entire world is Florida
3 GP Laps videos in a week!! 👀
This has been up for an hour and no-one's mentioned the v word. Shocking.
A dev note mentioned making random weather more realistic for the location and time of year. Have you tried it again recently?
quicks question can you put the little thing on showing your pedal usages? next time you play AMS2
Great video, just realized you had a Helmet on? 😊
Try the macca next time. Its the most fun to drive in ams in these. Bit harder then merc tho
If you set mistakes to 0 the mistakes will be natural. 0.5 is strange to me.Try the random option its now better with 1.6.
I’m having problems with shadows being aliased and shimmering. I can’t quite tell if you have the same issue. Are you doing anything to improve your shadows?
:) 👍 💪
Are those the Fanatec CSL pedals?
Nice showcase of AMS2 with great commentary. AI at 110 is very very fast. At the end, you say that is not exactly what you hoped, but what exactly did you hope ?
Hehe was wondering the same. I mean, if he wanted to get 1st place then maybe lower the AI level?
That's quite strange the race didn't end though? That's a first for me
perhaps it was set to time+1 lap ? /shrug
What skill setting and aggression did you use? I was used to beating max aggression 120 skill AI and even lapping them before the update, but now they are really aggressive and keep bumping me off the track. Without AI messing me up I'm doing 2.07 consistently in race setup and I have the WR in TT. But the AI felt unplayable for me. I've attempted this race 200 times last week. 😅😅😅
Yeah the AI seem much less realistic frankly. They hound you relentlessly and defend/overtake unpredictably. I feel like I can hardly finish a race without contact
He used 110% Speed and medium aggression for this
@@conehed1138 I'm used to run all maxed out, it's nice to make them more competitive but somehow now they feel very unrealistic in the way they drive, and also the aggression is pure madness.
on spa93 fast corners they pit maneuver and their "train" is too tight, less "concertina effect" like a real race scenario. in some moments they are 100% glued to each other and the car behind still bumps into you while making you bump into the car in front and making every corner entry a potential spin as if the player wasn't there, and now the player has to drive in a very unrealistic way.
before I used to even lap the AI at max aggression and 120skill which wasn't ideal, but at least they looked "raceable" and I had min-maxed setups to beat the AI so easily.
right now the AI experience is just off, uncanny, weird. I've reduced from max to high aggression and it's much better but the problems still persist to a lesser extent.
They need to give GP Laps a series to do what he wants in LFM.
It looks like LFM is all but ditching GT1, judging by this weekend schedule.
It sucks that they keep doing this crap with AC and now AMS2... they run the standard GT3/LMP and then crap like F3 and Ginetta Cup while letting some of the truly great classes sit there doing nothing. Grp.A also getting maybe 1 or 2 races per day on the weekends now when they should run at least every 2 hours.
Whats your FOV set at?
90, but i run on a 34" ultrawide. This video is cropped to the center of it
They changed the tire wear drastically, a big minus