Feel free to joke about the paedophile Catholics, the intrusive Jehova's Witnesses, the polygamous Mormons, the murderous Russian Orthodox and so on too. I don't see any reason for not joking about all Christians; after all they believe in an invisible man who sent his "son" (who was also the son of a ghost and a carpenter) as a human sacrifice to be tortured and killed, described in a book with large numbers of massacres where the invisible man slaughtered millions of innocent people. A disgusting religion like this must be joked about.
Very useful summary. I'm an Eastern Orthodox subdeacon, and I always wanted someone to explain all the protestant sects. I agree the historical perspective is the best way to start, but then we always need to look back at what joins us, not what separates us. I look back at the Great Schism with horror. Right now there is a different 'flavor' to the Roman church and mine, but very very few real dogmatic differences (yes some, but they have arrived historically). A good investment of time. Thank you Brother.
Another good book and podcast on this is Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy by Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick. I’m a convert from Protestant and Catholic and O&H explained all the differences quite nicely for me.
Friends, in truth and love, please understand that biblically there is NO protestant church for there is only ONE GOSPEL, and in it is the ONLY church, body, bride and kingdom of Christ. All sincere believers must submit to it, that which the doctrine of Christ reveals. Christ built it, through His death, that we might abide in His teaching and not the doctrines & commandments of men. Faith comes by hearing the words of Christ - any who go beyond that have not God.
oldfellow is easy to understand all of them. Most of them come from the heresies of the Popes. In an attempt to fix those they tried to understand themselves the dogmas and correct them instead of going back to the orthodox roots. Every interpretation gave rise to a new church with slightly different heresies
I was raised Lutheran for 13 years before my family became Old Order Mennonite and I became a Baptist, which I remain as an adult. My mother's family is Dutch Reformed and my brother-in-law is Eastern Orthodox. There were many points in this video where SO MANY THINGS that I've experienced, conversations that I've had, or beliefs I've been around suddenly make sense. Thank you for connecting all these dots in such a clear and concise way!
@@worldview730 All Western and Eastern Churches believe same God Jesus Christ who walked on the Earth and died for our sins differences are more philosophical and methodical, traditional differences E
@@worldview730why wouldn't he be? None of these magisterial or even radical reformationists disagree about Jesus. Heck, they agree with Catholics and Eastern Orthodox about Jesus too for that matter. All of these groups agree on fundamental nicene theology.
There’s a couple churches on this list that would certainly not say that everyone else has the spirit. One gentleman I spoke to was very clear in his stance that “ this is all nonsense, it’s us and nobody else”
The video only clarified that there are differences and distinct disagreements within Christianity. I have an issue with those who say, "you are not Christian if you don't believe...."
Friends, in truth and love, please understand that biblically there is NO protestant church for there is only ONE GOSPEL, and in it is the ONLY church, body, bride and kingdom of Christ. All sincere believers must submit to it, that which the doctrine of Christ reveals. Christ built it, through His death, that we might abide in His teaching and not the doctrines & commandments of men. Faith comes by hearing the words of Christ - any who go beyond that have not God.
I wanted to say that you are an incredible creator. There is no cut in this video, so you did this in one take without a break. I wanted to compliment your work and your ability to create a comprehensive talk on religion. I would love to hear about what you had read up on to make this video? I was also trying to get into church history.
@@flameguy3416so true. I lived in south Iowa for a time and maybe it was just that…. Tribe? Idk what to call it. But they were very but not adhering to the known Amish doctrine. Kids a cell phones, they had bank accounts, they would Jew you at every turn, they would use power tools and machines as long as it was for money, that kind of thing
Wow, learning about Jan Hus prophesying Luther - "you are going to burn a goose but in one hundred years you will have a swan that you can neither roast nor boil" - has been such a blessing to me!
Same here! After reading that Huss said that while he was about to be burned and that his burning took place on a solar eclipse is fascinating! Makes me think that God was really okay with the reformation. I read also o Frederick of Saxon's dream and it's at least worth considering as accurate.
@@heir8095 but Martin Luther tried to get rid of several books in the bible, because they don't align with his views on Sola Fide. They clearly state that faith without works is dead.
From one random nerd on the internet to another: THANK U for sharing such cool info. Knowledge truly is power and being aware of how your specific belief fits into the larger framework of society helps to create cohesion and communication between all. Keep it up bro!!
Yes, it is useful to know more about all the Christians who accuse each other of believing in nonsense. Ironically, they all seem to be right about this.
As a Baptist I will say no, we don't just disregard church history, but we should learn from it, I also think that you are wrong when you say that we "aren't institutional" God chose the church, the church isn't an institution made by man, the church is the Bride of Christ, God chooses the church, not men.
Yeah Zoomy has Baptist Derangement Syndrome. He sees baptists as everything that is opposed to his main values (pretty buildings, reformed sacramentology, institutional), so he doesn't tend to be very nuanced about us. He also tends to treat reformed and general baptists as one denomination which is an issue for his critiques of baptist sacramentology.
@@TheRoark Yeah, heard today that is cool with the American Baptist Association more than any of the others so I hope he realizes he is siding with the most liberal Baptist group out there 😂
Protestants invented the notion of the church not being an institution. Until the Reformation, it was seen as an institution, and among the Orthodox and the Catholics, it still is. So yes, in saying this, you are both rejecting institutionalism and church history.
Honestly, your description of the holiness movement mirrors my walk, from becoming a professing Christian at 4, then being baptised at 12 (attended a Baptist Church from birth to highschool), then more recently (about 2 years ago), actually learning to hear God's voice and humble myself before him and surrender to His will.
Fascinating and well done! I grew up in an independent non-denominational church. The woman who gave the land for the building said she was visited by an angel and told to give the land and that the gospel would be preached there. We DEFINITELY had some of those baptist principles - not believing in infant baptism, etc - but the bulk of the congregation came out of the Methodist and Holiness traditions. We had a pastor for a long time who was ordained in the Lutheran church. My dad grew up in a Christian Missionary Alliance church , my mom Methodist . I attended a Wesleyan Unniversity, and became a professional visual artist - so I've by default studied a LOT of Catholic art, visited the Vatican and a good deal of the major Catholic sites in France and Italy, and been exposed to a good deal of that denomination. I also grew up around the Amish, and lived near a historic Moravian founded village. I currently attend a Global Methodist Church which is the most recent major offshoot denomination in the U.S. I say all that just to point out that there is ALWAYS a lot of cross-pollination between denominations - and I really think that's a good thing. We all hope and trust that God will unify us someday in the manner in which we should be. I am thankful that my parents went out of their way to expose me to various denominations. All I know is that when a person or congregation gets serious about what they believe - when they start doing the hard personal and corporate work to do their best to love and obey Christ - then good things start to happen and the lost become found. So few of us know the basics of what you presented, and I hope that it will help us all do just what I have witnessed when the faithful labor to be faithful, and to do it more.
자이점 중 일부는 지옥이 얼마나 심각한지에 대한 감각, 세례의 방식과 시간, 성만찬의 요소, 독점성, 도상학에 대한 다양한 해석, 성인이란 무엇입니까? 그리스도를 믿는 사람 또는 교회 내의 모범입니다. 정치나 리더십, 성령의 역할, 교부들의 역할이나 역사 등 일부는 생락했다고 확신합니다.
@@brentlunger9738Where does the Bible mention hell? It says we will be damned yes. But not in hell. Don't be deceived by churches. Catholic or otherwise. Read your Bible, study it, and pray for discernment. ❤
very good video man. I appreciate your research into the history. When I was looking into churches I was amazed at how many people were in church just because of familiarity instead of doctrine. Baptists who honored saints and Catholics who avoided confession. I pray that through ecumenism all churches will return to full communion with each other and tradition can be restored for all.
Though I have moved on from the Baptist way to become an Anglican, I would still not group Baptist under the Radical Reformation with Amish/Mennonites. The first Baptists had way more in common with the Reformed tradition in England than they did with Anabaptists. Also, the Anabaptists movement honestly came more out of Zwingli’s Reformation movement in Zurich, so it would be more accurate to place them as branch coming out of the Reformed tradition (there was some stuff with Karlstaut and Muntzer, but that’s another story). This tree approach may be good at looking at the distinctions from a modern perspective, but not really from a historical perspective.
This is correct and well-stated. The Anabaptists were radical not in that they broke off from Rome, but in that they broke off from Zurich. Additionally, Baptist and Anabaptist theology is very different across the board (they just happen to line up on a couple of distinctives). The Baptists came out of English Separatism, which had the same issues with Anglicanism as the Puritans. The difference in the Separatists and the Puritans is that the former split off while the latter tried to purify the Anglican Church. (Not unlike for example, the PCA vs Redeemed Zoomer in the PCUSA). Therefore, both were products of Protestant theology (both in the Particular and General Baptist streams). Moreover, John Smyth led the first General Baptists in practicing Credobaptism before he ever came in contact with the Waterlander Mennonites in Holland. Baptists are grossly misplaced on this tree and should be branching off of Anglicanism, not characterized as “Anabaptist light.”
Thanks for that clarification! I haven't watched enough of this channel's content, so I wonder if simply organizing similar beliefs within the church was more the point of the video, rather than a full out historical and chronological timeline - which would certainly be relevant and very fun to learn!
@burntmarshwigglestudio597 If you watch more of his content you'll begin to understand that this kid hates Baptists. He's got a huge ego about his preferred denomination.
Baptist here! This is an excellent video! I do want to say that a lot of Baptists nowadays are starting to recognize the flaw of not being institutional and the flaw of not continuing the holy lowercase “c” catholic and apostolic church. Even though I’m Baptist, I still agree with some of the point you have made regarding flaws about the Baptist church.
I grew up Baptist and I felt the same way for a long time. A few years ago I decided to follow the branches back down to the trunk, and I’ve now come out as Orthodox.
God knows and sees your blasphemous expression of prideful and mocking disgust of the Church that Jesus Christ himself founded- historically proven, and succeeded from the apostles themselves. Get over yourself and pride and accept the truth with humility, or choose the path away from salvation. Have fun. ☦️
Can you make a video about Vatican 2 bc I’m Catholic but whenever I try to find a simple explanation it’s always very biased and you are presbyterian so you would have a more unbiased perspective. Also you’re good at explaining theology
You should probably look for a Catholic source on this for the same reason it'd be better to hear about the schism in the Methodist church from a Methodist source.
@@komnennos Methodists split from United Methodist Church because of liberal theology, LGBT clergy and blessings of homosexual couple. Thus forming the newborn denomonation called Global Methodist Church. Global Methodist Church came to my country Croatia few years ago. Gotta admit that they are charming for being low church. When I saw that Pentecostals came from Methodist, I then knew why Methodists are charismatic when I met them. They share a space where they have Sunday meeting with the Calvinists. I do not know which type of Calvinists are they, but I have a reason to believe that they may be the same Calvinists from Hungary. Edit: I am Catholic, but I had been for short time half Catholic half Methodist. I have two books on John Wesley and watched an old movie about him. Pretty cool person gotta admit, but kinda wish they had bit more rich tradition like high church.
I thoroughly enjoy all your content on Christianity! Thank you so much for this! It helps me understand some (a lot 😂) things better. God bless you all
I VERY MUCH ADMIRE you giving your background under your description, I ALWAYS seek to find out the influences of media producers & authors thus understanding potential bias that me be woven into ones production, I find the REASON WHY someone believes a certain way as interesting as the WHAT, my experience is that MOST only believe & accept what they have been told without really sorting and studying themselves, keep up the good work !
@@redeemedzoomer6053 It was pretty similar except for all the Protestant denominations. Also, if you were to put Mormonism on the chart, would you put it as it’s own separate tree, or would you put it on the same tree that has the other denominations?
@@ryanimations8049I'd say Mormons/LDS would be separate at the Nicene Creed itself, as the book has some wildly weird beliefs about God. The TL;DR is basically God was like us previously, and following the LDS Organization can enable you to become God on other planets
The Catholic Church is the Root of the Tree, not a branch as Zoomer has shown. I which people would not listen the Protestant rhetoric when producing these materials and do their own scholarly research with ALL the materials available.
@@LuzianJ Not Biblical the Church the Bride and Christ is the bridegroom the Church is ment to submit to him not the Bishop of Rome. 22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. - Ephesians 5:23-24 Jesus says if any Apostle shall put himself first he shall be last. There is no cheif Apostle. 34 But they kept silent, for on the road they had disputed among themselves who would be the greatest. 35 And He sat down, called the twelve, and said to them, “If anyone desires to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all.” - Mark 9:34-35 The Rock is Peter's proclamation of faith, and not Peter himself. 16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” - Mathew 16:16-18 The power of binding and loosing was not given only to Peter but to all other Apostles. All apostolic successors, bishops have this same authority. 18 “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. - Matthew 18:18
Hey Redeemed Zoomer! I don't know if you've already done a video about this or not but, it'd be interesting to see a video about your top ~10 favorite bible translations. Keep up the great work you're doing for the kingdom!
There aren't that many mainstream good ones. You would be best off with KJV and ESV in my opinion. Both are literal translations known for accuracy to the original text. Additionally the translators notes that come with the NET Bible are insightful for a layman to understand each verse's translation difficulties.
KJV is great I think - I own a KJV and a Geneva Bible - the latter of which is far more difficult to read due to the lettering used back then. The KJV was a gift and I highly recommend it. I challenge you, present to me a passage of the KJV that seems inaccurate to you or differs greatly from the ESV. @@OliverGCowan
@@OliverGCowan 1. I think you have forgotten the whole LXX tradition of manuscripts. 2. The Church - East and West meeting in an Ecumenical Council - has never defined the Canon of Scripture. 3. For the 1500 or so years all Christians read the deuterocanonical books as a subsection of the Old Testament. 4. The Deuterocanonical books, titled the "Apocrypha", were printed in their own section in the original Authorised Version of 1611 (the KJV) and was only later omitted to save printing costs when more Bibles were printed when more people could actually read English.
I am not a Christian person but I love researching religions and how interestingly interconnected they all are thank you for making such an informative video!
Well done!! As a Roman Catholic, I’m extremely interested in how other denominations relate to each other. It’s enriching to realize that a word added or a line inserted in the Nicene creed can change the direction or split the church. Thanks for the thoughtful layout of the graph. You put a lot of work into this. I would also like to suggest to others, if they enjoyed your presentation, a book by Bruce L. Shelly, Church History in Plain Language.
I feel it was a but of a pretext to split, and it was a lot more politically fueled than theologically. The eastern church and the Western didn’t agree on where the power of the church should be situated (Constantinople or Rome), hense the split on the pretext of this, but it was more about Political influence than anything else
I disagree. The branch of the Catholic Church stands on equal ground with Orthodox church. Also the Branch of the Catholic Church comes BEFORE the Baptist & Amish/Mennonites. The (radical-) Reformation(-s) is per definition a movement away from the Catholic Church.... And also.... most original books and handwritings (and relics such as The Shroud of Turin) are in the Vatican Library (and Turin). For that reason alone this tree is in no way historically correct in regard of the placement of the Catholic Church.
When I was in law school, I joined a Sunday morning study at the local Baptist church that served the university community, where we made our way through Shelly's work over the course of the academic year. One of the more interesting studies I have done yet. (Our class leader was one of the engineering professors at the university!)
This ties it all together. I knew about these different churches/denominations but never thought about how they started. This made a lot of sense. Thank you.
Be interesting if Redeemed Zoomer inadvertently created a new "Zoomer" denomination that's more unitary and intellectual and based off the things that he's taught. Not saying that's what he wants to do, or that I would want it to happen necessarily, but still I find it interesting if that were to happen somehow.
It's a good start but flawed too. The branch of the Catholic Church stands on equal ground with Orthodox church. Also the Branch of the Catholic Church comes BEFORE the Baptist & Amish/Mennonites. The (radical-) Reformation(-s) is per definition a movement away from the Catholic Church.... And also.... most original books and handwritings (and relics such as The Shroud of Turin) are in the Vatican Library (and Turin). For that reason alone this tree is in no way historically correct in regard of the placement of the Catholic Church.
I didn't think I would end up watching the whole video, but thank you so much for your clear explanation. This really helps me understand more about the different churches and it makes me think about what exactly I believe in. I don't know if you will see my comment, but please don't stop making video's, God bless you!
Instead of Aquinas you should say Augustine: Luther, Calvin, Aquinas (a Dominican who it could probably be said defined Dominican beliefs) and Franciscans all have differing beliefs but base much of their theology on the writings of Augustine, while in orthodox christianity, it is chrysostom who begins the divergence from the augustinian west and palamas increased those differences, so for the orthodox church you should probably put Chrysostom-Palamas
22:52 I want to point out that some Protestant denominations do not participate in communion with churches that differ from them theologically, such as The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. Great video as always! :)
@@SlovakLutheranMonarchist LCMS doesn’t take communion with some other Protestant denominations, though. Just to clarify. Their theology of the communion is quite deep, and some believe that it won’t be the same if you don’t also believe in that specific theology.
@@alicagank I understand that LCMS does bot take communion with for example PCUSA but it does take with AALC. My point was that it does not take with other Protestant denominational families. I know that LCMS has closed communion, but it opens it sometimes for some denominations within their denominational family(aka Lutheranism).
I go to a Foursquare Church (Pentecostal) and this has been super helpful for me! I wish we had more of an intellectual focus like this at my church. The focus is so much more on a personal relationship, then partnering with each other while empowered by God’s Spirit to be the hands and feet of Jesus to the world. Love this content so much!!
Like the city Rev 21:16. From the four sides of the gospel: Jesus is the Savior, the Healer, the Baptizer with the Holy Spirit, and the Soon-coming King (former Foursquare here; took the leap to Eastern Orthodox years ago.)@@mkv2718
Even if I don’t have time to full watch your content I’m gonna give it a like and a brief overview then com back because you are doing gods work amen 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙏🏽
I'm curious as to your thoughts on the Messianic Judaism movement and where that fits in this "tree". Personally I consider myself under that term because I think much of the protestant and catholic faith misses something important, though I know the Messianic Judaism movement is extremely new by comparison. I grew up in a "non-denominational" church where my mentor sought out original meaning by way of exploring the Biblical Hebrew language of the Old Testament and only THEN correlating that to the Greek in the New Testament (he's actually working on an OT translation himself). That led to a perceived affiliation towards traditionalism and desire to know the Hebrew as it was written in the context of the time in which it was written. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
I’ve loved watching your videos relating to church/denominational history recently. Have you ever/would you ever consider talking about the Calvin/Arminius differences, which denominations typically uphold those views, etc?
As a Lutheran I have to disagree. I see myself much closer to Catholics, due to the belief in sacrements like the Eucharist and Baptism. Also they way Lutheran churches look and how the sermons are being done is way more like the Catholic Mass. Calvinist does not believe in the real precence of Christ in the Eucharist and I think it's silly to think that they are closer to Catholics than Lutherans.
Baptists actually arose out of nonconformist Anglicans, similar to the Puritans. There was some association with the Anabaptists among the General Baptists, but in general Baptists did not arise from Anabaptists. The Baptists I know (and Baptists historically) are very fond of church history even if they disagree at points, and none of them are retreatist or anti-institution. I appreciate that you take the time to make these, but you seem to just be taking stereotypes and going off of those.
Hey RZ, I was wondering if you could cover why the Catholic Bible has books that the Protestant Bible doesn’t have in it. Thanks for all the great content!
I can explain. Protestants use a canon decided upon by Jews who had no authority to set any Bible canon. The Church was already establishing and using its own canon. Luther just wanted to go with the council of Jamnia because that version didn't contain books which rejected his views on purgatory
@@dman7668 The bishop of Rome commissioned Jerome to produce a Latin version of the bible (the Vulgate). Jerome included only the agreed upon 22 books of the Hebrew scriptures which included the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings. 22 because they consolidated some of the books we now separate. He didn't disparage the other books written between the Hebrew scriptures and the NT, but did not regard them as part of the canon. In other words, though helpful and even beneficial to read they were not to be used as the measure of true doctrine. This was a view held by many faithful Catholics all the way to and including the time of the Reformation. Granted, the churches in North Africa (Hippo and Carthage) influenced by Augustine did not make the distinction between the Hebrew scriptures and these other writings, but others did. All this is to say that it is false to suggest that Luther did something new here. He was in agreement with a long history of making a distinction between the Hebrew scriptures and these additional writings eventually known as the deuterocanonical or "apocryphal" books. He included them in his German translation of the bible but did not regard them as equal to the Hebrew scriptures and the NT. Though there were earlier local councils that served as precedent, it was not until the council of Trent (1545 to 1563) that the Roman church decided to regard the deuterocanonical books as equal to the Hebrew scriptures. Luther died in 1546.
Anti-Semitism rears it's ugly head once again. That's the major difference, Protestants embrace the fact that Jesus, his mother and the disciples were all Jewish. We do not condemn God's chosen people.
You don't have to choose one if you don't want to. You can be a christian without a church denomination but i can tell you that there are many advantages to having one. Especially the communal worship.
@@HehehehawMonkeyHistoricity doesn't equate to a church being "true" the church is invisible to man and not confined to one denomination here on earth. However some denominations are more orthodox (biblical) than others and our maturity and prudence should guide us to submit to a more orthodox church authority.
To be fair to the Amish, I wouldn't agree that they separate themselves from the world as much as people think. I live in an area where there are many Amish communities and I've had the pleasure of meeting many of them and even having friendships with some. I know many non-Amish people who actually work with Amish in blue collar jobs, and the Amish workers tend to interact with the non-Amish workers a lot. Some Amish even hire non-Amish workers as helpers or co-workers, or even work FOR non-Amish people as employees. So they don't entirely remove themselves from the world as many people think. You can approach them and have a conversation with them about their faith, and to be honest, many of the Amish will likely do more evangelism in that one conversation than many non-Amish will in their entire lives. I don't believe that the Amish are theologically correct on many things, but they certainly interact with the world and have a great influence on their surrounding communities.
Hi, I’ve recently found you’re channel and have been enjoying it. Question: why do you call Church of Christ not part of the church? Do you consider them not Christian? Or do you not consider them part of the church? How do you define church? I would love to see a video on this.
I think he's saying not that the movements from the U.S. Great Spiritual Awakening are not necessarily Christian, but that most/many of them do not inherit their traditions from the greater historical branching. Most of the Great Awakening groups, like the Restoration Movement groups (churches of Christ, Christian Church), the Seventh Day Adventists, the Shakers, the Mormons, the other groups mostly from the 1800s...he's saying that they don't come from these historical and traditional branches, but, as someone above said, have elements of many. The Restoration Movement folks were originally Presbyterians and Methodists, but sat down to say, "What of what is being done in these different churches is based in Bible, and what is based in tradition or habits of men?" Meanwhile, the Adventists, Mormons and a few other groups that originated in that time were started by someone who believed they had a vision of some sort.
Our omission here is not necessarily a bad thing. We have always made the case that we are restoring the church back to its original pristine condition and that we are not a denomination. Not having us listed among denominations must mean that we have been successful in that endeavor.
Been studying church history for years and with a little more information about time, I’d buy this as a poster just to have in my den. Good work. There’s a lot more that could be added like the millerites, and or any other sects. This is a great idea
The branches are not entirely correct though. The branch of the Catholic Church stands on equal ground with Orthodox church. Also the Branch of the Catholic Church comes BEFORE the Baptist & Amish/Mennonites. The (radical-) Reformation(-s) is per definition a movement away from the Catholic Church.... And also.... most original books and handwritings (and relics such as The Shroud of Turin) are in the Vatican Library (and Turin). For that reason alone this tree is in no way historically correct in regard of the placement of the Catholic Church.
Pentecostal here. We could technically be at two different parts of the tree. From the beginning of the movement there was diversity in theological influence because of the variety of different backgrounds people came from, and so there ended up being some more Wesleyan influenced Holiness Pentecostal denominations (for example COGIC), but also some more Baptist/Classical Protestant rooted Pentecostal denominations known as Finished Work Pentecostals (for example Assemblies of God.)
I'd agree. Like RZ said himself in the video, denominations like the Evangelical Free Church (and to a certain extent, Church of the Brethren which are a mix of Lutheran and Anabaptist, or Finished Work Pentecostals) are more a blend of two or more of the 10 main groups than the clear cut distinctions he made. I'd also disagree strongly with his assessment on putting the Churches of Christ alongside people like the Mormons or JW's. Even if they'd deny it till they're blue in the face, the only real difference between a General/Independent Baptist and a Church of Christ would be the name and that the former believes baptism is merely a sign of commitment to Christian belief, while the latter would say it's a salvific (saving) act that requires the mature Christian's belief in its effect. In everything else, the CoC affirms the Nicene Creed in practice, even if not in the letter. They affirm the Trinity and the Deity of Christ and the 66 book canon of the Protestant consensus, it's not like they're calling themselves gods or saying Jesus is just Michael the Archangel. EDIT: I should say that there are several more minor differences between Baptists and CoC, but the views on baptism would be the main one
i’ve been watching Zoomer for awhile and I always felt like there was a disconnect with his understanding of Pentecostalism and my Pentecostal denomination (Foursquare). your comment actually clears up so much for me so thank you
@@adamandsethdylantoo...yeah...I was going to say that the churches of Christ have a few more key differences with the Baptists (the biggest one other than the key one you mentioned being the musical instruments dispute), but you're entirely right that the churches of Christ do doctrinally agree with the Nicene Creed despite their insistence on the Sola Scriptura "No creed but the Bible," and while they would agree with the "doctrinal accuracy" of the Nicene Creed (if pressed...hard), would decline to recite the writings of men. I do think putting the churches of Christ and the Restoration Movement alongside the Mormons, JWs, Seventh Day Adventists, etc., is a *historically fair* grouping just because ALL of those groups grew out of movements in the U.S. in the 1800s with the Second Great Awakening (though the Restoration Movement really began in the late 1700s) as local movements that spread, and none of them grew fully or directly from any of the branches he's established. You're totally right that, as he says earlier, the churches of Christ, along with most American evangelical groups, are more closely doctrinally connected to American Baptists than other branches. I think he's tracing, in this video, the growth patterns and splits from older groups that can be traced in more of a straight line, and, in that way, the churches of Christ and the Restoration Movement spring up in KY and TN sort of on their own without branching from a specific origin point.
Looks like you did a lot of research for this, nice job. Would like to see dates on when churches were started because it looks like they were all started on or near the some time.
I loved this video and found it very informative. Even though I am becoming a Catholic now after years of atheism, I agree with your defense of protestant churches being beautiful. My old church is one of the New England Congregational churches you mentioned, and it is lovely. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for the political banners that now hang in front of it. If you ever make a new version of this video, I would find it helpful if you included dates for when these "splits" occurred.
Great video! I think there is some nuance to be had with the non-denominational churches. I agree that the insistance on not institutionalizing is very much aligned with Baptist tradition. However, since these churches identify themselves as non-denominational, they are very varied in their theological beliefs and practical pursuits. Many take aspects from other branches in the church and apply them to their individual practices. Of course, there are trends, non-denominational churches tend to look similar. But, kind of by necessity, they float around the tree. KInd of like a bird, that flies around the tree picking fruit, but nests in the Baptist branch.
It's very obvious that RZ does not think much of non-denominational churches and it shows in his videos. After spending 30 years in the mainline protestant merry-go-round, I went non-denominational out of desperation and it was the best move I've ever made in my faith life. When I imagine how much time was wasted in silly human political arguments (as evidenced by this video) I'm ashamed that I didn't do it years ago.
@@littlesquirtthefireengine5478 Yeah, as someone who was born into a ND church, I certainly have a bias toward them. I do understand that many ND churches are not great, Mega churches and prosperity gospel are very much tied to the ND movement. But also, the most devoted, most passionate and active people I’ve seen in Christ tend to come from ND churches, since there is no politicking between branches
It’s interesting to note that in Germany there is no “Lutheran Church”. What we call “Lutheran” in Germany is just called “evangelische” or evangelical.
Well this turned out pretty well- thanks. I will not say where I am on that tree but suffice it to say I am not of the same branch as our young educator but he did very well and I learned some things. Thanks so much!
Very insightful, thanks for sharing this info. I was wondering where you would put Gnostics on this tree, or maybe not even on the tree like you said of Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc?
Bless the Lord, a boring evening has been saved.
Amen!
Indeed
Amen!
No evening church service??
@@jzwaard0164 bright and early for me
I've always felt the Amish are the safest group to joke about on the internet.
I love that this comment is part of the joke as well
Feel free to joke about the paedophile Catholics, the intrusive Jehova's Witnesses, the polygamous Mormons, the murderous Russian Orthodox and so on too. I don't see any reason for not joking about all Christians; after all they believe in an invisible man who sent his "son" (who was also the son of a ghost and a carpenter) as a human sacrifice to be tortured and killed, described in a book with large numbers of massacres where the invisible man slaughtered millions of innocent people. A disgusting religion like this must be joked about.
Well yeah there is barley any of them and most of them probably don't even have Internet connection sense they live in remote areas.
Very useful summary. I'm an Eastern Orthodox subdeacon, and I always wanted someone to explain all the protestant sects. I agree the historical perspective is the best way to start, but then we always need to look back at what joins us, not what separates us. I look back at the Great Schism with horror. Right now there is a different 'flavor' to the Roman church and mine, but very very few real dogmatic differences (yes some, but they have arrived historically). A good investment of time. Thank you Brother.
Another good book and podcast on this is Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy by Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick. I’m a convert from Protestant and Catholic and O&H explained all the differences quite nicely for me.
By putting this discourse in the form of a tree, the presentation is actually a fundamentally uniting one. IMO.
Friends, in truth and love, please understand that biblically there is NO protestant church for there is only ONE GOSPEL, and in it is the ONLY church, body, bride and kingdom of Christ. All sincere believers must submit to it, that which the doctrine of Christ reveals. Christ built it, through His death, that we might abide in His teaching and not the doctrines & commandments of men. Faith comes by hearing the words of Christ - any who go beyond that have not God.
oldfellow is easy to understand all of them. Most of them come from the heresies of the Popes. In an attempt to fix those they tried to understand themselves the dogmas and correct them instead of going back to the orthodox roots. Every interpretation gave rise to a new church with slightly different heresies
@@deebrown4615What if the Roman Catholic Church was corrupted?
I was raised Lutheran for 13 years before my family became Old Order Mennonite and I became a Baptist, which I remain as an adult. My mother's family is Dutch Reformed and my brother-in-law is Eastern Orthodox. There were many points in this video where SO MANY THINGS that I've experienced, conversations that I've had, or beliefs I've been around suddenly make sense. Thank you for connecting all these dots in such a clear and concise way!
Is Jesus still the same in all your beliefs?
Bet Christmas Dinner is heated.
All red-blooded, that's a match. humans@@andersd8956
@@worldview730 All Western and Eastern Churches believe same God Jesus Christ who walked on the Earth and died for our sins differences are more philosophical and methodical, traditional differences E
@@worldview730why wouldn't he be? None of these magisterial or even radical reformationists disagree about Jesus. Heck, they agree with Catholics and Eastern Orthodox about Jesus too for that matter. All of these groups agree on fundamental nicene theology.
All the churches looking at each other: "He's a little confused, but he's got the _spirit"_
There’s a couple churches on this list that would certainly not say that everyone else has the spirit. One gentleman I spoke to was very clear in his stance that “ this is all nonsense, it’s us and nobody else”
*Spirit
I see what you did there
😂 wow 👏
The video only clarified that there are differences and distinct disagreements within Christianity. I have an issue with those who say, "you are not Christian if you don't believe...."
You, sir, are one of the only people where I can sit through and listen to an entire 40 minute video. Well done brother in Christ.
as an atheist, this is still interesting to listen to.
@@heliumfireAgreed. I am also an atheist (formerly a Methodist) I also found this video very informative. This young man has really done his studies.
@@user-pq9zw5wb1z Just out of curiosity, which of those denominations are you a member of?
Friends, in truth and love, please understand that biblically there is NO protestant church for there is only ONE GOSPEL, and in it is the ONLY church, body, bride and kingdom of Christ. All sincere believers must submit to it, that which the doctrine of Christ reveals. Christ built it, through His death, that we might abide in His teaching and not the doctrines & commandments of men. Faith comes by hearing the words of Christ - any who go beyond that have not God.
@@deebrown4615Are you making the same reply to all of the comments?
I wanted to say that you are an incredible creator. There is no cut in this video, so you did this in one take without a break. I wanted to compliment your work and your ability to create a comprehensive talk on religion. I would love to hear about what you had read up on to make this video? I was also trying to get into church history.
Thanks, brother. I am learning a lot from your videos. God bless you.
Mennonite here, don't diss us like you did the Amish cuz we're watching😅 Loving your content
The Amish are also watching with their secret phones...
@@flameguy3416so true. I lived in south Iowa for a time and maybe it was just that…. Tribe? Idk what to call it. But they were very but not adhering to the known Amish doctrine. Kids a cell phones, they had bank accounts, they would Jew you at every turn, they would use power tools and machines as long as it was for money, that kind of thing
I am friends with the mennonite mafia, I know Everything!!!
Wow, learning about Jan Hus prophesying Luther - "you are going to burn a goose but in one hundred years you will have a swan that you can neither roast nor boil" - has been such a blessing to me!
Same here! After reading that Huss said that while he was about to be burned and that his burning took place on a solar eclipse is fascinating! Makes me think that God was really okay with the reformation.
I read also o Frederick of Saxon's dream and it's at least worth considering as accurate.
@@heir8095 but Martin Luther tried to get rid of several books in the bible, because they don't align with his views on Sola Fide. They clearly state that faith without works is dead.
@@pikapi6993and that we are justified by works and not by faith alone.
@@pikapi6993 Right, he called the epistle of James the epistle of straw.
@@dansw0rkshopRight no one ever wants to mention how he even tried to take out the book of Apocalypse aka Revelations
From one random nerd on the internet to another: THANK U for sharing such cool info. Knowledge truly is power and being aware of how your specific belief fits into the larger framework of society helps to create cohesion and communication between all. Keep it up bro!!
Yes, it is useful to know more about all the Christians who accuse each other of believing in nonsense. Ironically, they all seem to be right about this.
Thank you ... God bless you ... Keep it up ... Compilations brings out the underlying harmony running all along ...
Thanks! As a new Catholic, this video was very useful especially for helping to distinguish between the protestant branches!
yeah, I only started to understand protestantism when I started watchig Redeemed Zoomer's channel
You went the wrong path brother
@@SkankHunt-iy1ecpresbyterian is the way!
@@SkankHunt-iy1ec how so?
Don’t listen to any of this dudes takes on Catholicism or theology in general
As a Baptist I will say no, we don't just disregard church history, but we should learn from it, I also think that you are wrong when you say that we "aren't institutional" God chose the church, the church isn't an institution made by man, the church is the Bride of Christ, God chooses the church, not men.
Yeah Zoomy has Baptist Derangement Syndrome. He sees baptists as everything that is opposed to his main values (pretty buildings, reformed sacramentology, institutional), so he doesn't tend to be very nuanced about us. He also tends to treat reformed and general baptists as one denomination which is an issue for his critiques of baptist sacramentology.
@@TheRoark Yeah, heard today that is cool with the American Baptist Association more than any of the others so I hope he realizes he is siding with the most liberal Baptist group out there 😂
Protestants invented the notion of the church not being an institution. Until the Reformation, it was seen as an institution, and among the Orthodox and the Catholics, it still is. So yes, in saying this, you are both rejecting institutionalism and church history.
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That is the best denomination history lesson I have ever had! Thank you very much. I think the 'tree' visual helped alot also.
Honestly, your description of the holiness movement mirrors my walk, from becoming a professing Christian at 4, then being baptised at 12 (attended a Baptist Church from birth to highschool), then more recently (about 2 years ago), actually learning to hear God's voice and humble myself before him and surrender to His will.
I love this channel brother. I'm happy to see a fellow zoomer so engaged in church history and orthodoxy. Much love from New Hampshire ❤
Fascinating and well done!
I grew up in an independent non-denominational church. The woman who gave the land for the building said she was visited by an angel and told to give the land and that the gospel would be preached there.
We DEFINITELY had some of those baptist principles - not believing in infant baptism, etc - but the bulk of the congregation came out of the Methodist and Holiness traditions. We had a pastor for a long time who was ordained in the Lutheran church. My dad grew up in a Christian Missionary Alliance church , my mom Methodist . I attended a Wesleyan Unniversity, and became a professional visual artist - so I've by default studied a LOT of Catholic art, visited the Vatican and a good deal of the major Catholic sites in France and Italy, and been exposed to a good deal of that denomination. I also grew up around the Amish, and lived near a historic Moravian founded village.
I currently attend a Global Methodist Church which is the most recent major offshoot denomination in the U.S.
I say all that just to point out that there is ALWAYS a lot of cross-pollination between denominations - and I really think that's a good thing. We all hope and trust that God will unify us someday in the manner in which we should be. I am thankful that my parents went out of their way to expose me to various denominations. All I know is that when a person or congregation gets serious about what they believe - when they start doing the hard personal and corporate work to do their best to love and obey Christ - then good things start to happen and the lost become found.
So few of us know the basics of what you presented, and I hope that it will help us all do just what I have witnessed when the faithful labor to be faithful, and to do it more.
Well stated and amen. Super cool to watch this video, what a nice quick overview perspective of the Church!
자이점 중 일부는 지옥이 얼마나 심각한지에 대한 감각, 세례의 방식과 시간, 성만찬의 요소, 독점성, 도상학에 대한 다양한 해석, 성인이란 무엇입니까? 그리스도를 믿는 사람 또는 교회 내의 모범입니다. 정치나 리더십, 성령의 역할, 교부들의 역할이나 역사 등 일부는 생락했다고 확신합니다.
So a witch who saw a devil gave the land.... derp. Bet you don't know the gospel.
I love the term “cross-pollination”. I use it all the time.
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@@brentlunger9738Where does the Bible mention hell? It says we will be damned yes. But not in hell. Don't be deceived by churches. Catholic or otherwise. Read your Bible, study it, and pray for discernment. ❤
very good video man. I appreciate your research into the history. When I was looking into churches I was amazed at how many people were in church just because of familiarity instead of doctrine. Baptists who honored saints and Catholics who avoided confession. I pray that through ecumenism all churches will return to full communion with each other and tradition can be restored for all.
Well done. This complex topic was well researched and presented. I look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Though I have moved on from the Baptist way to become an Anglican, I would still not group Baptist under the Radical Reformation with Amish/Mennonites. The first Baptists had way more in common with the Reformed tradition in England than they did with Anabaptists. Also, the Anabaptists movement honestly came more out of Zwingli’s Reformation movement in Zurich, so it would be more accurate to place them as branch coming out of the Reformed tradition (there was some stuff with Karlstaut and Muntzer, but that’s another story). This tree approach may be good at looking at the distinctions from a modern perspective, but not really from a historical perspective.
This exactly, and I'm a Baptist. Some have pointed this out to him in the past but he hasn't changed his thinking.
This is correct and well-stated. The Anabaptists were radical not in that they broke off from Rome, but in that they broke off from Zurich. Additionally, Baptist and Anabaptist theology is very different across the board (they just happen to line up on a couple of distinctives). The Baptists came out of English Separatism, which had the same issues with Anglicanism as the Puritans. The difference in the Separatists and the Puritans is that the former split off while the latter tried to purify the Anglican Church. (Not unlike for example, the PCA vs Redeemed Zoomer in the PCUSA). Therefore, both were products of Protestant theology (both in the Particular and General Baptist streams). Moreover, John Smyth led the first General Baptists in practicing Credobaptism before he ever came in contact with the Waterlander Mennonites in Holland. Baptists are grossly misplaced on this tree and should be branching off of Anglicanism, not characterized as “Anabaptist light.”
@@waterdrinkerrrnice pfp. Haven’t seen a Living Water Bible in a long time
Thanks for that clarification! I haven't watched enough of this channel's content, so I wonder if simply organizing similar beliefs within the church was more the point of the video, rather than a full out historical and chronological timeline - which would certainly be relevant and very fun to learn!
@burntmarshwigglestudio597 If you watch more of his content you'll begin to understand that this kid hates Baptists. He's got a huge ego about his preferred denomination.
Baptist here! This is an excellent video! I do want to say that a lot of Baptists nowadays are starting to recognize the flaw of not being institutional and the flaw of not continuing the holy lowercase “c” catholic and apostolic church. Even though I’m Baptist, I still agree with some of the point you have made regarding flaws about the Baptist church.
I grew up Baptist and I felt the same way for a long time. A few years ago I decided to follow the branches back down to the trunk, and I’ve now come out as Orthodox.
@@cadenhenry4446 🤮
@@manlymemez
Oh no, somebody doesn’t worship the same way as you. Gross!
@@manlymemezfr
God knows and sees your blasphemous expression of prideful and mocking disgust of the Church that Jesus Christ himself founded- historically proven, and succeeded from the apostles themselves. Get over yourself and pride and accept the truth with humility, or choose the path away from salvation. Have fun. ☦️
This was such an awesome informative video - thank you so much for your work on this!
I love your content, keep it up!
Can you make a video about Vatican 2 bc I’m Catholic but whenever I try to find a simple explanation it’s always very biased and you are presbyterian so you would have a more unbiased perspective. Also you’re good at explaining theology
That great idea!
Yea I’m curious about that as well
You should probably look for a Catholic source on this for the same reason it'd be better to hear about the schism in the Methodist church from a Methodist source.
@@komnennos Methodists split from United Methodist Church because of liberal theology, LGBT clergy and blessings of homosexual couple. Thus forming the newborn denomonation called Global Methodist Church.
Global Methodist Church came to my country Croatia few years ago. Gotta admit that they are charming for being low church. When I saw that Pentecostals came from Methodist, I then knew why Methodists are charismatic when I met them.
They share a space where they have Sunday meeting with the Calvinists. I do not know which type of Calvinists are they, but I have a reason to believe that they may be the same Calvinists from Hungary.
Edit: I am Catholic, but I had been for short time half Catholic half Methodist. I have two books on John Wesley and watched an old movie about him. Pretty cool person gotta admit, but kinda wish they had bit more rich tradition like high church.
What do you want to know?
I thoroughly enjoy all your content on Christianity! Thank you so much for this! It helps me understand some (a lot 😂) things better.
God bless you all
I love your Viking picture.
I VERY MUCH ADMIRE you giving your background under your description, I ALWAYS seek to find out the influences of media producers & authors thus understanding potential bias that me be woven into ones production, I find the REASON WHY someone believes a certain way as interesting as the WHAT, my experience is that MOST only believe & accept what they have been told without really sorting and studying themselves, keep up the good work !
Amazing content, well explained and thankfully trustworthy. We thank God for blessing us with knowledge and understanding!
I made a tree of denominations 30 minutes ago and I come to my phone and see this.
haha that's funny. How similar was yours to mine?
Have you seen the one made by Useful Charts?
@@redeemedzoomer6053 It was pretty similar except for all the Protestant denominations. Also, if you were to put Mormonism on the chart, would you put it as it’s own separate tree, or would you put it on the same tree that has the other denominations?
@@ryanimations8049I'd say Mormons/LDS would be separate at the Nicene Creed itself, as the book has some wildly weird beliefs about God. The TL;DR is basically God was like us previously, and following the LDS Organization can enable you to become God on other planets
@@ryanimations8049separate tree considering Mormons don't follow the Nician Creede.
Love your stuff man. Perfect. Such an important channel.
You REALLY know your stuff! This was super-educational.
Wow that was very educational and entertaining ! Thank You !
This is the coolest channel, I've been watching and learning so much about God, thank you.
The Catholic and Apostolic church is the one true church 🇻🇦💪
Catholic = Universal ≠ Roman
The Catholic Church is the Root of the Tree, not a branch as Zoomer has shown. I which people would not listen the Protestant rhetoric when producing these materials and do their own scholarly research with ALL the materials available.
@@Corpoise0974 the universal Church submits to Rome. Only one Pope. The church was built on rock, not on sand.
@@brianbrachel4871 The Roman Church split from the tree in 451. Rome is not even the Apostolic see of Peter, Antioch is. Also im not protestant.
@@LuzianJ Not Biblical the Church the Bride and Christ is the bridegroom the Church is ment to submit to him not the Bishop of Rome.
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
- Ephesians 5:23-24
Jesus says if any Apostle shall put himself first he shall be last. There is no cheif Apostle.
34 But they kept silent, for on the road they had disputed among themselves who would be the greatest. 35 And He sat down, called the twelve, and said to them, “If anyone desires to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all.”
- Mark 9:34-35
The Rock is Peter's proclamation of faith, and not Peter himself.
16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
- Mathew 16:16-18
The power of binding and loosing was not given only to Peter but to all other Apostles. All apostolic successors, bishops have this same authority.
18 “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
- Matthew 18:18
This has become one of the most valuable channels I’ve ever subscribed to. Thank you.
MT - a conservative holiness Pentecostal pastor
you have such a gift for teaching. Thank you brother for all your videos
Very nice video! Love from an Orthodox Catechumen ☦
Great video. Thank you for explaining all that 👍
Excellent video! Thanks a lot for the clarity of your explanation.
Very informative and easy to understand. I love this channel. Thank you.
Hey Redeemed Zoomer! I don't know if you've already done a video about this or not but, it'd be interesting to see a video about your top ~10 favorite bible translations. Keep up the great work you're doing for the kingdom!
There aren't that many mainstream good ones. You would be best off with KJV and ESV in my opinion. Both are literal translations known for accuracy to the original text. Additionally the translators notes that come with the NET Bible are insightful for a layman to understand each verse's translation difficulties.
@@michaellautermilch9185 the KJV fucking blows
KJV is great I think - I own a KJV and a Geneva Bible - the latter of which is far more difficult to read due to the lettering used back then. The KJV was a gift and I highly recommend it.
I challenge you, present to me a passage of the KJV that seems inaccurate to you or differs greatly from the ESV. @@OliverGCowan
@@OliverGCowan The trouble with the ESV and the LSB is that they do not contain the deuterocanonical books, which were included in the original KJV.
@@OliverGCowan 1. I think you have forgotten the whole LXX tradition of manuscripts. 2. The Church - East and West meeting in an Ecumenical Council - has never defined the Canon of Scripture. 3. For the 1500 or so years all Christians read the deuterocanonical books as a subsection of the Old Testament. 4. The Deuterocanonical books, titled the "Apocrypha", were printed in their own section in the original Authorised Version of 1611 (the KJV) and was only later omitted to save printing costs when more Bibles were printed when more people could actually read English.
I am not a Christian person but I love researching religions and how interestingly interconnected they all are thank you for making such an informative video!
Wonderful video. Most videos I can't wait for them to be over, but this one I watched with "I can't wait to see what's next" mindset.
This video is SO helpful. Thank you!!
I love your channel, I have learned a lot about Christianity from you. It's an interesting religion
Well done!! As a Roman Catholic, I’m extremely interested in how other denominations relate to each other. It’s enriching to realize that a word added or a line inserted in the Nicene creed can change the direction or split the church. Thanks for the thoughtful layout of the graph. You put a lot of work into this. I would also like to suggest to others, if they enjoyed your presentation, a book by Bruce L. Shelly, Church History in Plain Language.
I feel it was a but of a pretext to split, and it was a lot more politically fueled than theologically. The eastern church and the Western didn’t agree on where the power of the church should be situated (Constantinople or Rome), hense the split on the pretext of this, but it was more about Political influence than anything else
I disagree. The branch of the Catholic Church stands on equal ground with Orthodox church. Also the Branch of the Catholic Church comes BEFORE the Baptist & Amish/Mennonites. The (radical-) Reformation(-s) is per definition a movement away from the Catholic Church.... And also.... most original books and handwritings (and relics such as The Shroud of Turin) are in the Vatican Library (and Turin). For that reason alone this tree is in no way historically correct in regard of the placement of the Catholic Church.
When I was in law school, I joined a Sunday morning study at the local Baptist church that served the university community, where we made our way through Shelly's work over the course of the academic year. One of the more interesting studies I have done yet. (Our class leader was one of the engineering professors at the university!)
This ties it all together. I knew about these different churches/denominations but never thought about how they started. This made a lot of sense. Thank you.
Enjoyed it very much, God bless you 🙏🏻
This has clarified DECADES of unspoken confusion 😂😂
Be interesting if Redeemed Zoomer inadvertently created a new "Zoomer" denomination that's more unitary and intellectual and based off the things that he's taught.
Not saying that's what he wants to do, or that I would want it to happen necessarily, but still I find it interesting if that were to happen somehow.
That was absolutely amazing! Loved it...
Superbly presented in a fairly concise manner. Good research.
Thank you for your very detailed video on church history. Would you be able to make a video on the history of biblical canon?
I second this!
Wow! You are great at explaining this! As a Roman Catholic I appreciate your honesty!
It's a good start but flawed too. The branch of the Catholic Church stands on equal ground with Orthodox church. Also the Branch of the Catholic Church comes BEFORE the Baptist & Amish/Mennonites. The (radical-) Reformation(-s) is per definition a movement away from the Catholic Church.... And also.... most original books and handwritings (and relics such as The Shroud of Turin) are in the Vatican Library (and Turin). For that reason alone this tree is in no way historically correct in regard of the placement of the Catholic Church.
I didn't think I would end up watching the whole video, but thank you so much for your clear explanation. This really helps me understand more about the different churches and it makes me think about what exactly I believe in. I don't know if you will see my comment, but please don't stop making video's, God bless you!
This is a very throughout work. I am impressed. A lot of effort was put in here, therefore the awesome result. Congratulations!
Instead of Aquinas you should say Augustine: Luther, Calvin, Aquinas (a Dominican who it could probably be said defined Dominican beliefs) and Franciscans all have differing beliefs but base much of their theology on the writings of Augustine, while in orthodox christianity, it is chrysostom who begins the divergence from the augustinian west and palamas increased those differences, so for the orthodox church you should probably put Chrysostom-Palamas
But Augustine and Chrysostom were before the schism and he tried to represent postschismatic Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
"Thomism vs Palamism" is "Augustine vs Crystosom" on steroids which is "Aristotle vs Plato" but with Jesus
@@kuafer3687Schism 2: Eclesiastic Boogaloo
24:10 HEY, TAKE THAT BACK, US LUTHERANS ARE CALM AND REASONABLE.
Blessings to you Zoomer, Good Job with the chart, I made a copy of it for myself. You have done your homework. Well done!
Well done. Great breakdown of the denominations.
22:52 I want to point out that some Protestant denominations do not participate in communion with churches that differ from them theologically, such as The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. Great video as always! :)
He meant like LCMS and AALC both Lutheran but different denominations but still take communion.
LCMS shoutout!
He actually talked about the LCMS in his recent video on why he supports open communion
@@SlovakLutheranMonarchist LCMS doesn’t take communion with some other Protestant denominations, though. Just to clarify. Their theology of the communion is quite deep, and some believe that it won’t be the same if you don’t also believe in that specific theology.
@@alicagank I understand that LCMS does bot take communion with for example PCUSA but it does take with AALC.
My point was that it does not take with other Protestant denominational families.
I know that LCMS has closed communion, but it opens it sometimes for some denominations within their denominational family(aka Lutheranism).
I go to a Foursquare Church (Pentecostal) and this has been super helpful for me! I wish we had more of an intellectual focus like this at my church. The focus is so much more on a personal relationship, then partnering with each other while empowered by God’s Spirit to be the hands and feet of Jesus to the world. Love this content so much!!
Foursquare?
like the game?
Like the city Rev 21:16. From the four sides of the gospel: Jesus is the Savior, the Healer, the Baptizer with the Holy Spirit, and the Soon-coming King (former Foursquare here; took the leap to Eastern Orthodox years ago.)@@mkv2718
@@mkv2718 ooh did not know there is a 4 square game?
@@mkv2718it’s a Pentecostal church
Same!!
Read your channel description and I had to sub. Love to see this brother. Thanks for the time you took to make this...
Even if I don’t have time to full watch your content I’m gonna give it a like and a brief overview then com back because you are doing gods work amen 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙏🏽
I'm curious as to your thoughts on the Messianic Judaism movement and where that fits in this "tree". Personally I consider myself under that term because I think much of the protestant and catholic faith misses something important, though I know the Messianic Judaism movement is extremely new by comparison.
I grew up in a "non-denominational" church where my mentor sought out original meaning by way of exploring the Biblical Hebrew language of the Old Testament and only THEN correlating that to the Greek in the New Testament (he's actually working on an OT translation himself). That led to a perceived affiliation towards traditionalism and desire to know the Hebrew as it was written in the context of the time in which it was written. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Brother, I really appreciate the call to follow Christ at the end of your videos.
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I’ve loved watching your videos relating to church/denominational history recently. Have you ever/would you ever consider talking about the Calvin/Arminius differences, which denominations typically uphold those views, etc?
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As a Lutheran I have to disagree. I see myself much closer to Catholics, due to the belief in sacrements like the Eucharist and Baptism. Also they way Lutheran churches look and how the sermons are being done is way more like the Catholic Mass. Calvinist does not believe in the real precence of Christ in the Eucharist and I think it's silly to think that they are closer to Catholics than Lutherans.
Great work on this video!
Baptists actually arose out of nonconformist Anglicans, similar to the Puritans. There was some association with the Anabaptists among the General Baptists, but in general Baptists did not arise from Anabaptists. The Baptists I know (and Baptists historically) are very fond of church history even if they disagree at points, and none of them are retreatist or anti-institution. I appreciate that you take the time to make these, but you seem to just be taking stereotypes and going off of those.
Yes. Anyone interested in Baptist history should check out Dr Nettles.
Hey RZ, I was wondering if you could cover why the Catholic Bible has books that the Protestant Bible doesn’t have in it. Thanks for all the great content!
The best video on that topic is at Gavin Ortlund's Truth Unites. The title of the video is "Which Old Testament Canon is Right? With John Meade".
I can explain. Protestants use a canon decided upon by Jews who had no authority to set any Bible canon.
The Church was already establishing and using its own canon. Luther just wanted to go with the council of Jamnia because that version didn't contain books which rejected his views on purgatory
@@dman7668 The bishop of Rome commissioned Jerome to produce a Latin version of the bible (the Vulgate). Jerome included only the agreed upon 22 books of the Hebrew scriptures which included the Law, the Prophets, and the Writings. 22 because they consolidated some of the books we now separate. He didn't disparage the other books written between the Hebrew scriptures and the NT, but did not regard them as part of the canon. In other words, though helpful and even beneficial to read they were not to be used as the measure of true doctrine. This was a view held by many faithful Catholics all the way to and including the time of the Reformation. Granted, the churches in North Africa (Hippo and Carthage) influenced by Augustine did not make the distinction between the Hebrew scriptures and these other writings, but others did. All this is to say that it is false to suggest that Luther did something new here. He was in agreement with a long history of making a distinction between the Hebrew scriptures and these additional writings eventually known as the deuterocanonical or "apocryphal" books. He included them in his German translation of the bible but did not regard them as equal to the Hebrew scriptures and the NT. Though there were earlier local councils that served as precedent, it was not until the council of Trent (1545 to 1563) that the Roman church decided to regard the deuterocanonical books as equal to the Hebrew scriptures. Luther died in 1546.
Anti-Semitism rears it's ugly head once again. That's the major difference, Protestants embrace the fact that Jesus, his mother and the disciples were all Jewish. We do not condemn God's chosen people.
They took stuff out
Thank you for making this video
Thank you so much. Im a Presbyterian too. But i have to say there were truths noted in most all the branches you spoke of. I subscribed ❤
Thank You for this video! As someone trying to choose a denomination this is very helpful. You are very knowledgeable! God Bless!
I think there are only 2 in question that are worthy of holding the title of the succesors of Jesus' ministry
@@HehehehawMonkey which 2?
You don't have to choose one if you don't want to. You can be a christian without a church denomination but i can tell you that there are many advantages to having one. Especially the communal worship.
@@RaiderBuzz The Roman Catholic And Eastern Orthodox. They have the most historical claim to the early church so therefore one of them is true.
@@HehehehawMonkeyHistoricity doesn't equate to a church being "true" the church is invisible to man and not confined to one denomination here on earth. However some denominations are more orthodox (biblical) than others and our maturity and prudence should guide us to submit to a more orthodox church authority.
I was always confused by seeing all these titles on the churches in my area. thanks for the enlightening video!
this is great, learned a ton here
Highly educational and useful video as I'm coming to understand Christian history better
To be fair to the Amish, I wouldn't agree that they separate themselves from the world as much as people think. I live in an area where there are many Amish communities and I've had the pleasure of meeting many of them and even having friendships with some. I know many non-Amish people who actually work with Amish in blue collar jobs, and the Amish workers tend to interact with the non-Amish workers a lot. Some Amish even hire non-Amish workers as helpers or co-workers, or even work FOR non-Amish people as employees. So they don't entirely remove themselves from the world as many people think. You can approach them and have a conversation with them about their faith, and to be honest, many of the Amish will likely do more evangelism in that one conversation than many non-Amish will in their entire lives. I don't believe that the Amish are theologically correct on many things, but they certainly interact with the world and have a great influence on their surrounding communities.
Great video. Really helpful. Would you mind putting that finished denomination tree in a PDF or Word Doc?
That was really interesting. Thank you
Hi, I’ve recently found you’re channel and have been enjoying it. Question: why do you call Church of Christ not part of the church? Do you consider them not Christian? Or do you not consider them part of the church? How do you define church? I would love to see a video on this.
I think he's saying not that the movements from the U.S. Great Spiritual Awakening are not necessarily Christian, but that most/many of them do not inherit their traditions from the greater historical branching. Most of the Great Awakening groups, like the Restoration Movement groups (churches of Christ, Christian Church), the Seventh Day Adventists, the Shakers, the Mormons, the other groups mostly from the 1800s...he's saying that they don't come from these historical and traditional branches, but, as someone above said, have elements of many. The Restoration Movement folks were originally Presbyterians and Methodists, but sat down to say, "What of what is being done in these different churches is based in Bible, and what is based in tradition or habits of men?" Meanwhile, the Adventists, Mormons and a few other groups that originated in that time were started by someone who believed they had a vision of some sort.
Our omission here is not necessarily a bad thing. We have always made the case that we are restoring the church back to its original pristine condition and that we are not a denomination. Not having us listed among denominations must mean that we have been successful in that endeavor.
Atheist here and I’ve been watching all of your videos! Very informative!
Great video Radeem.😊
Been studying church history for years and with a little more information about time, I’d buy this as a poster just to have in my den. Good work.
There’s a lot more that could be added like the millerites, and or any other sects. This is a great idea
The branches are not entirely correct though. The branch of the Catholic Church stands on equal ground with Orthodox church. Also the Branch of the Catholic Church comes BEFORE the Baptist & Amish/Mennonites. The (radical-) Reformation(-s) is per definition a movement away from the Catholic Church.... And also.... most original books and handwritings (and relics such as The Shroud of Turin) are in the Vatican Library (and Turin). For that reason alone this tree is in no way historically correct in regard of the placement of the Catholic Church.
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Pentecostal here. We could technically be at two different parts of the tree. From the beginning of the movement there was diversity in theological influence because of the variety of different backgrounds people came from, and so there ended up being some more Wesleyan influenced Holiness Pentecostal denominations (for example COGIC), but also some more Baptist/Classical Protestant rooted Pentecostal denominations known as Finished Work Pentecostals (for example Assemblies of God.)
I'd agree. Like RZ said himself in the video, denominations like the Evangelical Free Church (and to a certain extent, Church of the Brethren which are a mix of Lutheran and Anabaptist, or Finished Work Pentecostals) are more a blend of two or more of the 10 main groups than the clear cut distinctions he made.
I'd also disagree strongly with his assessment on putting the Churches of Christ alongside people like the Mormons or JW's. Even if they'd deny it till they're blue in the face, the only real difference between a General/Independent Baptist and a Church of Christ would be the name and that the former believes baptism is merely a sign of commitment to Christian belief, while the latter would say it's a salvific (saving) act that requires the mature Christian's belief in its effect. In everything else, the CoC affirms the Nicene Creed in practice, even if not in the letter. They affirm the Trinity and the Deity of Christ and the 66 book canon of the Protestant consensus, it's not like they're calling themselves gods or saying Jesus is just Michael the Archangel.
EDIT: I should say that there are several more minor differences between Baptists and CoC, but the views on baptism would be the main one
i’ve been watching Zoomer for awhile and I always felt like there was a disconnect with his understanding of Pentecostalism and my Pentecostal denomination (Foursquare). your comment actually clears up so much for me so thank you
That may be so, but having a circle in a family tree is a big no-no.
여호와의 증인은 아리우스주의에 더 가깝기 때문에 어떤 면에서는 이슬람교와 다소 유사합니다.
@@adamandsethdylantoo...yeah...I was going to say that the churches of Christ have a few more key differences with the Baptists (the biggest one other than the key one you mentioned being the musical instruments dispute), but you're entirely right that the churches of Christ do doctrinally agree with the Nicene Creed despite their insistence on the Sola Scriptura "No creed but the Bible," and while they would agree with the "doctrinal accuracy" of the Nicene Creed (if pressed...hard), would decline to recite the writings of men.
I do think putting the churches of Christ and the Restoration Movement alongside the Mormons, JWs, Seventh Day Adventists, etc., is a *historically fair* grouping just because ALL of those groups grew out of movements in the U.S. in the 1800s with the Second Great Awakening (though the Restoration Movement really began in the late 1700s) as local movements that spread, and none of them grew fully or directly from any of the branches he's established.
You're totally right that, as he says earlier, the churches of Christ, along with most American evangelical groups, are more closely doctrinally connected to American Baptists than other branches.
I think he's tracing, in this video, the growth patterns and splits from older groups that can be traced in more of a straight line, and, in that way, the churches of Christ and the Restoration Movement spring up in KY and TN sort of on their own without branching from a specific origin point.
Thank you for these. Truly remarkable. I didn’t know science came from the church
Looks like you did a lot of research for this, nice job. Would like to see dates on when churches were started because it looks like they were all started on or near the some time.
I loved this video and found it very informative. Even though I am becoming a Catholic now after years of atheism, I agree with your defense of protestant churches being beautiful. My old church is one of the New England Congregational churches you mentioned, and it is lovely. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for the political banners that now hang in front of it.
If you ever make a new version of this video, I would find it helpful if you included dates for when these "splits" occurred.
Great video! I think there is some nuance to be had with the non-denominational churches. I agree that the insistance on not institutionalizing is very much aligned with Baptist tradition. However, since these churches identify themselves as non-denominational, they are very varied in their theological beliefs and practical pursuits. Many take aspects from other branches in the church and apply them to their individual practices. Of course, there are trends, non-denominational churches tend to look similar. But, kind of by necessity, they float around the tree. KInd of like a bird, that flies around the tree picking fruit, but nests in the Baptist branch.
It's very obvious that RZ does not think much of non-denominational churches and it shows in his videos. After spending 30 years in the mainline protestant merry-go-round, I went non-denominational out of desperation and it was the best move I've ever made in my faith life. When I imagine how much time was wasted in silly human political arguments (as evidenced by this video) I'm ashamed that I didn't do it years ago.
@@littlesquirtthefireengine5478 Yeah, as someone who was born into a ND church, I certainly have a bias toward them. I do understand that many ND churches are not great, Mega churches and prosperity gospel are very much tied to the ND movement. But also, the most devoted, most passionate and active people I’ve seen in Christ tend to come from ND churches, since there is no politicking between branches
Well done and the Tree thumbprint lives up to the message!
Thank you so much. I need this for my catechization class
Hey, I would really like if you could do a video on the Greek Catholic Churches (Romanian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, etc.).
It’s interesting to note that in Germany there is no “Lutheran Church”. What we call “Lutheran” in Germany is just called “evangelische” or evangelical.
Well this turned out pretty well- thanks. I will not say where I am on that tree but suffice it to say I am not of the same branch as our young educator but he did very well and I learned some things. Thanks so much!
Very insightful, thanks for sharing this info. I was wondering where you would put Gnostics on this tree, or maybe not even on the tree like you said of Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc?
“There is a bidenflation of Protestant groups”🤣🤣🤣
Catholic: every 60 seconds, 4 new Protestant Churches start.
Nice video 👍☦️