Nice to see someone using hand tools with skill! Probably quicker than cordless certainly cheaper, without the hassel of charging or theft. Also no verbal bull crap! Well done 👍
Cheers pal! My tools have already been robbed! So haven’t got a choice. Also I don’t like carrying loads of stuff up and down the roofs 🤣 thanks for your comment ! 💪
Thanks mate! The brick layer goes around after and fits cavity socks to block the top of all the cavity’s. Ready for the cavity fill insulation. Cheers
I,v been a site chippy since I left school, done too many roofs , first ,second fixes, kitchens etc worked with a ton of young chippies. I'm 70 now and I can sat you have got it. very adept at working on scaffold with out a stool. because you never actually take one up there. keep it up mate, look after your knees and back!
Been doing box end exactly like this from the day we started using upvc on site! 30 years ish 🙈Only thing I do different is carry on the 4x1 to the end of the soffit and use battery grinder for all cuts!! Much easier especially in cold weather! But textbook job that pal👏👏👏
Me too! Maybe about 15years though 😛🤣. Yeah I get what you’re saying with the 4x1 I stopped it short so the bricky can fly past with the cuts. Cheers pal! 👌
Another amazing video mate! You’re absolutely mustard 😉 just done my diminishing trusses like you do yours today after watching your video and they flew in 💸💪
beautiful Neat workmanship Ash .. what brand ? of fascia/ softia Do you think 🤔 is the Best Quality? and if you use the thinner fascia Do you build a (sub-fascia boarding )for strength & support .
Thanks for your comment! Not tooo sure on brands tbh every job I go to the site supply the materials and I’m guessing they probably go as cheap as possible haha but it’s all pretty similar! We used a sub fascia on this roof to push the fascia out more as there wasn’t much kick but don’t usually fit the sub! Some sites want it fitting all the time, I guess it gives a better fix for guttering etc etc, but need to have the spare 4x1 todo it! Haha
Thankyou! I’ve personally never had any issues with expansion and I’ve always done my box ends like that. But a lot of people said I will have issues so I’ve taken on a few pointers like nailing 1 side of the jointers etc to help everything move abit. Always learning!! Cheers for your comment
Great tutorial. Appreciated the extra time it takes to do the more indepth videos, but they are a lot more helpful. Gives a great insight for people entering the trade or re training. How do you calculate the facia upstand? Is it specified or is it just the correct depth for each property? I think i read somewhere it was a calculation of the depth of the roof covering plus a bit to allow the last tile to kick up a bit? Keep up the great work.
Thanks mate! The upstand on the fascia is sometimes hard to achieve all depends on high of brickwork and how far the tails stick out. We’ve added a 4x1 sub fascia here to allow it to hang over more to give it slightly more kick but I think it could have done with at least an inch. I’d say it always wants to be about 2/3” above the rafter so that’s a inch for the batten and like you say abit to kick the last tile up, if the roof is steeper it would probably want more kick still! Cheers for your comment 👌
Nice clip. Does the barge not end up being tiny when you nail the soffit direct to the ladder? How do you hide the joint between the box and the barge? Always interesting seeing how others do things 👌
No mate the barge is 150mm so hangs down past the soffit by quite abit. And it’s cut in to that corner then I put a pin in the bottom edge to keep it up tight, never had an issue with a gap appearing and been doing it that way for about 15 years haha 🤞. Cheers for your comment 👍👌
I got taught to do it slightly different, fit the back piece then put the barge on and notching the lip of the barge by 10 mm so it floats past the boxend by 10mm and then fit the front piece and fit the corners but cut the barge corner off completely completely flat so it covers the join between the barge and the boxend. Bit more complex but it means you dont need to cut the barge spot on and in the event theres movement on the facia the joint will never become visible Id post a video but i hardly ever do roofing because the price is just abysmal
@ashleydavenport3794 yeah i used to do it exactly like you did it then an old roofer taught me this and ive never done it different since, Had a couple times where i was finishing gables with someone else and theyve done one projextion your way and ive done it my way and its like fuck it looks weird now 😂
@ashleydavenport3794 yeah 100 percent and every single chippy I've met are to stubborn to change their ways I've always found that there's a time and place for every method and not all jobs can be done the same way so it's good to be able to do it both ways
Expansion joints are in the long runs of fascia/ barge. Yeah a lot of people have mentioned that but I’ve never had any issues with it or been called back to sort any. Maybe I’ve just been lucky haha
I built a wooden frame for my box ends on my extension so that they were a lot more rigid and supported than what you've done here but my roof overhang is 800mm so I suppose needs more than the fascia to support itself. But looking at the roof construction on that newbuild you are on, the timber used is about similar dimensions as my roof battens.
Not too bad that. Better cutting the box end first , then the return, so the return butts against the box end, so it allows you to cover the barge board to box end straight joints with the long corner, as the barge board comes past the return piece and sits against the box end, by just notching out the lip on the barge to pass the return.
@@ashleydavenport3794yeah i bet you have! Bullnose fascia boxends can be a little more tricky but once you've sussed one out they're fairly straightforward.
That’s a boxend of some1 who hasn’t a clue tbh I’ve been doing this 22 years that’s a terrible boxend look me up and I’ll send u photos of proper boxends 👌
Absolutely great video on how to do a box end Many Thanks. 5 stars Keep up the good work
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it 👌👍
Nice to see someone using hand tools with skill! Probably quicker than cordless certainly cheaper, without the hassel of charging or theft. Also no verbal bull crap! Well done 👍
Cheers pal! My tools have already been robbed! So haven’t got a choice. Also I don’t like carrying loads of stuff up and down the roofs 🤣 thanks for your comment ! 💪
Nice neat job.
I noticed that the top of the cavity wall is exposed. Skill Builder recommends covering the top of the cavity.
Thanks mate! The brick layer goes around after and fits cavity socks to block the top of all the cavity’s. Ready for the cavity fill insulation. Cheers
Nice workmanship.
Thanks!
Brilliant demonstration - cheers mate
Thanks pal!
As a young chippy on his own these videos are really helpfull keep doing what your doing sir 👏
Thankyou! Appreciate it 👌
I,v been a site chippy since I left school, done too many roofs , first ,second fixes, kitchens etc worked with a ton of young chippies. I'm 70 now and I can sat you have got it. very adept at working on scaffold with out a stool. because you never actually take one up there. keep it up mate, look after your knees and back!
Thanks mate much appreciated! 💪
Nicely skilled with the saw . Battery grinder very handy for a lot of those cuts.
Im halfway thru my level 2 site joinery n watching your videos alot. I've clearly a lot to learn 😂
Keeep at it pal! It’ll all come together 💪
Lovely craftsmanship
Cheeers!! 👌
What plastic, how is that craftsmanship.
@@adamspiller4842 Craftsmanship - A skill in a craft. It's about the process not the material used.
Nice work,thanks for the heads up..
Great job very professional 👍👍
Thankyou 👌💪
nice work guy simple and quick
Cheers! 👌👌
Nice one for this ash, been asked to jump on facia & soffit Monday morning…haven’t done a box end in about 3 years so this is a life saver🫣
Hahha glad I could help out! Thanks pal! 👌👍 Hope it goes well!!
Amazing vid, thanks 🙏🏼
thanks! glad you liked it !!
Nice job!!!..A true craftsman!
Cheers! 👍
Been doing box end exactly like this from the day we started using upvc on site! 30 years ish 🙈Only thing I do different is carry on the 4x1 to the end of the soffit and use battery grinder for all cuts!! Much easier especially in cold weather! But textbook job that pal👏👏👏
Me too! Maybe about 15years though 😛🤣. Yeah I get what you’re saying with the 4x1 I stopped it short so the bricky can fly past with the cuts. Cheers pal! 👌
Yep thought that mate with the brickwork. Don’t let them have it too easy though mate😂
@@johnlaird2870 🤣🤣 basically rolling them out a red carpet 🤣😬
Nice job 👍
@@KenDignam thankyou!
Great video - Helped a lot with a job I’m doing!
Glad it helped out pal! 👍
nice job always wondered how that was done
You always do things properly 👌
No corners cut 😉😆
🤣🤣👌
Beautiful work sir ❤
Thanks pal!! 👌
Never seen it done with the back of the box end first but nice work still
Great content mate, struggle with plastics personally but great analogy 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks pal! 👌
Very forgiving
Brilliant tutorial
Thankyou! 👌
Another amazing video mate! You’re absolutely mustard 😉 just done my diminishing trusses like you do yours today after watching your video and they flew in 💸💪
Thanks mate! Much appreciated!! Glad the videos are helping out! Trying to get back on them this year with abit of luck 🤞💪
@@ashleydavenport3794 no worries mate! Just trying to learn faster ways mate! Hopefully you can keep getting them out 💪
Nice work mate! Keep that content coming
Cheers mate! Trying to get back on it! Its a struggle tho isn’t it 🤣
@@ashleydavenport3794 sure is 🤣 been telling myself for the last 3 years to get back .. but still here watching everyone else 😂
@@jackhines3747 🤣🤣 too easy isn’t it, not to bother I did the same last year! Hopefully will keep at it for a week or so hahah
I spent 3 hrs trying to this this morning, wish I found this video first😂
🤣 well you know for next time! Haha
@@ashleydavenport3794 I KNOW FOR THIS TIME!, i didn’t finish it because i didn’t buy the right end board, which I will do this morning.
beautiful Neat workmanship Ash ..
what brand ? of fascia/ softia Do you think 🤔 is the Best Quality?
and if you use the thinner fascia Do you build a (sub-fascia boarding )for strength & support .
Thanks for your comment! Not tooo sure on brands tbh every job I go to the site supply the materials and I’m guessing they probably go as cheap as possible haha but it’s all pretty similar! We used a sub fascia on this roof to push the fascia out more as there wasn’t much kick but don’t usually fit the sub! Some sites want it fitting all the time, I guess it gives a better fix for guttering etc etc, but need to have the spare 4x1 todo it! Haha
@@ashleydavenport3794 thanks mate . Yeah , it's all about cost cutting ✂️ sadly ....but You do a lovely neat job .💪👋
@@Ste2023 I know pal, it’s the nature of the beast isn’t it 🤣😞👎 got todo our best with what we are given! 👌💪
Can I watch theses any other way - ie an instagram page or facebook? Just seen your valley set will be trying on Wednesday 👍
Wish i could do box ends this quick, worst bit to do when the price is tight and your rushing about, nice demo 👍
Just practice pal! Once you’ve done a few hundred you’ll get the speed up! Cheers pal!
Very nice skills. How will it fair with expansion in summer?
Thankyou! I’ve personally never had any issues with expansion and I’ve always done my box ends like that. But a lot of people said I will have issues so I’ve taken on a few pointers like nailing 1 side of the jointers etc to help everything move abit. Always learning!! Cheers for your comment
Before fitting your back corner i fit the barge first then the last corner so the corner covers the barge to boxing joint
Nice work pal
Ahh nice! Sounds like a good idea that! That method is hard wired into my head now though 🤣
@@ashleydavenport3794 😂 Ye I know what u mean , We're all the same.
Its crazy how we get into a fixed routine of doing roofs or doors a certain way
@@pauldavies7251 it is crazy haha like machines. Hard to swap over to something new after a while, it feels foreign hahah!
@@ashleydavenport3794 100% true
That’s the best way bro covering the barge join
Should the soffit be touching the brick work, or should there be a gap?
Yeah it touches the brickwork! So there is no gaps for wind, bugs etc
If you set that box section back a bit on the right you can use the ripped down corner piece to fully cover where the barge board meets it.
1st Class...👌
👌👍 much appreciated
Very neat.
Cheers! 👍
Great tutorial. Appreciated the extra time it takes to do the more indepth videos, but they are a lot more helpful. Gives a great insight for people entering the trade or re training. How do you calculate the facia upstand? Is it specified or is it just the correct depth for each property? I think i read somewhere it was a calculation of the depth of the roof covering plus a bit to allow the last tile to kick up a bit? Keep up the great work.
Thanks mate! The upstand on the fascia is sometimes hard to achieve all depends on high of brickwork and how far the tails stick out. We’ve added a 4x1 sub fascia here to allow it to hang over more to give it slightly more kick but I think it could have done with at least an inch. I’d say it always wants to be about 2/3” above the rafter so that’s a inch for the batten and like you say abit to kick the last tile up, if the roof is steeper it would probably want more kick still! Cheers for your comment 👌
@@ashleydavenport3794 thanks for the speedy reply and info . Keep them coming, they are very helpful.
Shiniest estwing I've ever seen ! Lol
🤣🤣🤣 always gets a polish before it goes live pal! Hahaha
Is this a fine toothed saw?
No just a normal saw, but it would be easier with a fine tooth saw, or grinder 👌
Nice clip. Does the barge not end up being tiny when you nail the soffit direct to the ladder? How do you hide the joint between the box and the barge? Always interesting seeing how others do things 👌
No mate the barge is 150mm so hangs down past the soffit by quite abit. And it’s cut in to that corner then I put a pin in the bottom edge to keep it up tight, never had an issue with a gap appearing and been doing it that way for about 15 years haha 🤞. Cheers for your comment 👍👌
Now there’s a bloke who knows his trade
Ive not seen a roof like that only the rafters sat on a taller inner plate and then the soffit attached to sprockets.
The soffit is wedge in tight, the homeowner has a tricky job to replace these years down the line
Would be tricky yeah! Haha 😬
25years time at least
@@NAFO_Badger_Brigade yep! And if it’s not trapped in tight it rattles in the wind for 25 years haha
Do you ever use pvc glue?
Not when doing fascia and soffit pal
I got taught to do it slightly different, fit the back piece then put the barge on and notching the lip of the barge by 10 mm so it floats past the boxend by 10mm and then fit the front piece and fit the corners but cut the barge corner off completely completely flat so it covers the join between the barge and the boxend.
Bit more complex but it means you dont need to cut the barge spot on and in the event theres movement on the facia the joint will never become visible
Id post a video but i hardly ever do roofing because the price is just abysmal
@@callumbarton7259 ahh yeah I get you! Nice man. Sounds good for hiding the joints and stuff that does 👌
@ashleydavenport3794 yeah i used to do it exactly like you did it then an old roofer taught me this and ive never done it different since,
Had a couple times where i was finishing gables with someone else and theyve done one projextion your way and ive done it my way and its like fuck it looks weird now 😂
@ hahaha that’s a nightmare. Need to agreee on one method. That’s the issue with this job isn’t it, there’s loads of ways todo the same job haha
@ashleydavenport3794 yeah 100 percent and every single chippy I've met are to stubborn to change their ways
I've always found that there's a time and place for every method and not all jobs can be done the same way so it's good to be able to do it both ways
good job
Thanks! 👌
Where is the expansion joint? Also if you pin both sides of the cover strip you also dont leave any room for movement. This stuff moves in the heat
Expansion joints are in the long runs of fascia/ barge. Yeah a lot of people have mentioned that but I’ve never had any issues with it or been called back to sort any. Maybe I’ve just been lucky haha
I built a wooden frame for my box ends on my extension so that they were a lot more rigid and supported than what you've done here but my roof overhang is 800mm so I suppose needs more than the fascia to support itself. But looking at the roof construction on that newbuild you are on, the timber used is about similar dimensions as my roof battens.
Ah nice! That sounds like a proper job! Don’t pay enough todo it like that on new builds haha to be fair they arnt going anywhere anyway! 👌
Not too bad that. Better cutting the box end first , then the return, so the return butts against the box end, so it allows you to cover the barge board to box end straight joints with the long corner, as the barge board comes past the return piece and sits against the box end, by just notching out the lip on the barge to pass the return.
Yeah man a few people have mentioned that way! 👌
Decent
good job...i find an older saw where the razor sharpness is gone is better for corner joints as less aggressive.
Good point! We always try to use the old saws on plastic anyway coz it ruins them quickly haha
I do mine absolutely identical, to be honest most of the lads i work with do it the same but there are a few that don't 🙈😂
Yeah it’s defo the most common way! Put this video on tik tok and I’ve heard all the different ways now 🤣🤣
@@ashleydavenport3794yeah i bet you have!
Bullnose fascia boxends can be a little more tricky but once you've sussed one out they're fairly straightforward.
Nice job but that brickwork is a bit crap, cracks in the perps and not properly filled with mortar.
That’s a boxend of some1 who hasn’t a clue tbh I’ve been doing this 22 years that’s a terrible boxend look me up and I’ll send u photos of proper boxends 👌
I’m alright cheers pal! Haha
I have to agree. If you left a box end like this on an Irish site you would be thrown off the scaffold. Very poor
Was impressed till you cut the facia face down on the block work 😢
Thermite block is the smoothest surface on the planet! 🤣 it didn’t move around either so wasn’t scratching it
*PromoSM*
Skilled Carpentry died a death with the introduction of this tacky plastic material. CRAP!
It did indeeed pal
Nailing plastic to plastic shite should be framed out with timber first, proper house basher job that like
Thats not easy to change out over 20 years..
I don’t think it’d be too hard to be honest. And if it’s not all trapped down properly it rattles in the wind so it’s just one of them Hahha
Plastic, it’s all gone down hill,
We just do what we are paid todo! Haha