at 11:00, it's a bit tricky whether or not to use peaceful first or reich first. vs. Droll & lock bird, you want to peaceful first because a 4heart + ball + visas transposes to at least baronne + dispater under droll. But that was game 1, so playing around droll maybe is unlikely Also, with the new support (trilosukta/synchro rumble), you often don't need the extra body off calarium to FTK anymore Also, I feel like I never ever want to reich until after light heart search to bait an imperm, hittem with the mf gotcha ass
He also fucked up at 17:30 by not drawing 1 with Reichheart with three defense position monsters on field AND he could have popped any card on field with the field spell too. (But that part might be bad because of unchained cards wanting to be popped)
The ruling about TTT vs Masquerena/soul of rage still confuses me. I think it is the same issue of ttt vs summoning in chain Guardian Chimera and the player who activated ttt and took control of chimera could activate the effect instead of the player summoning it, but I don't remember for sure how it is ruled
The CL1 TTT CL2 Branded in Red into Guardian Chimera ruling in favor of the TTT user was from a head judge at YCS Hartford 2022 but there was no official precedent to use as reference at the time; I think the most similar scenario was Cyber Angel Natasha vs Swordsoul Supreme Sovereign - Chengying. There is one now on the OCG database with Couple of Aces and Remove Brainwashing. On summon triggers are activated by the player whose side of the field the monster was summoned to even if control changes to the other player before the effect can activate. Trigger effects that aren't on summon probably still work like Natasha vs Chengying though.
@@Maniwaninjaimo it's how it was ruled in Hartford that this ruling should work, but my opinion is irrelevant. The correct ruling is as you said. The player who summoned the monster gets the effect. The most recent confirmation was indeed Couple of Aces, but previously IP vs TTT was also ruled that way as well as El Shaddoll Fusion (for Construct). IIRC there are updates on IP mentioning both the TTT ruling as well as that Rulkalos/Caesar can negate her.
@@babrad Okay I don't know what's going on now lol, I'm seeing conflicting information. OCG database posted a new entry today for CL1 TTT vs CL2 I:P Masquerena into S:P Little Night in favor of the TTT user. At this point I guess it's up to the judge to make the call...
@@babrad Okay it seems like they really are doing a ruling reversal. I just checked the Couple of Aces Q&A and it also has an update on 10/18/2023. The current controller gets to trigger the effect to draw 2.
Activating the level mannidium monsters is pretty bad ngl. Understanding the difference between a summon that starts a chain and one that does not is basic level shit. But with how some people still think spright cards would make colossus broken, I am not surprised.
The TTT ruling is disastrous. I feel like the ruling should be similar to: Drytron tribute benten, chain ddcrow to banish benten. Benten doesnt get to activate effect. I feel like the same rule should apply to: Activate TTT to take, chain branded in red and try to summon guardian chimera on resolution take guardian chimera. I feel like in this situation guardian chimera shouldnt activate for any player because the location it started at changed (i know still on field but this way a lot of confusion can be taken away)
Mannadium is a fun deck but I don't think it competes this format. It's not solved though, so hopefully we see something new out of it. I do think the average player forgetting to link off Cross Sheep when they don't do the FTK is weird. It's not like Tear where you can make use of it during the opponent's turn. Just make S:P or Apollousa. Tri-Heart can be funny, too.
The thing is mannadium loss by a lot of cards (shifter, droll, crow, ecc) but the biggest for me are lava golem or super poly, that are inevitable for every end board (baronne+apollousa, dis pater/baronne+sp, triheart+dis pater, chaos angel+dis pater, ecc....)
@@stuckmeister7750 No he is not. Light heart was right to do since the riumheart target got popped, but he was eight about it being played cleaner because they revived Reichert instead taking soul of rage
game 2 manna player misplayed, he should’ve normaled riumheart first to see if they had imperm then since they did have it - he could search meek with planet and still play with abscision and end on baron counter trap at the very least
.... Watched the first game, and when I saw the player that was winning go from 8000 to 0 in 1 turn I simply stopped. Power creep way out of whack with this game lol.
THE BALLS DONT START A CHAIN TO SUMMON FROM THE HAND 💀 good lord
at 11:00, it's a bit tricky whether or not to use peaceful first or reich first.
vs. Droll & lock bird, you want to peaceful first because a 4heart + ball + visas transposes to at least baronne + dispater under droll. But that was game 1, so playing around droll maybe is unlikely
Also, with the new support (trilosukta/synchro rumble), you often don't need the extra body off calarium to FTK anymore
Also, I feel like I never ever want to reich until after light heart search to bait an imperm, hittem with the mf gotcha ass
Always astonishing how bad those Mannadium Players handle their decks.
What changes would u have made
@@rafiurrahman5208 For one, not attempting to activate the level 2 tuners in hand when that's not how they work.
He also fucked up at 17:30 by not drawing 1 with Reichheart with three defense position monsters on field AND he could have popped any card on field with the field spell too. (But that part might be bad because of unchained cards wanting to be popped)
He's probably newer to Mannadium, I don't mind bc it makes the deck look like less of a threat in the meta.
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The ruling about TTT vs Masquerena/soul of rage still confuses me. I think it is the same issue of ttt vs summoning in chain Guardian Chimera and the player who activated ttt and took control of chimera could activate the effect instead of the player summoning it, but I don't remember for sure how it is ruled
The CL1 TTT CL2 Branded in Red into Guardian Chimera ruling in favor of the TTT user was from a head judge at YCS Hartford 2022 but there was no official precedent to use as reference at the time; I think the most similar scenario was Cyber Angel Natasha vs Swordsoul Supreme Sovereign - Chengying.
There is one now on the OCG database with Couple of Aces and Remove Brainwashing. On summon triggers are activated by the player whose side of the field the monster was summoned to even if control changes to the other player before the effect can activate.
Trigger effects that aren't on summon probably still work like Natasha vs Chengying though.
@@Maniwaninjaimo it's how it was ruled in Hartford that this ruling should work, but my opinion is irrelevant.
The correct ruling is as you said. The player who summoned the monster gets the effect. The most recent confirmation was indeed Couple of Aces, but previously IP vs TTT was also ruled that way as well as El Shaddoll Fusion (for Construct).
IIRC there are updates on IP mentioning both the TTT ruling as well as that Rulkalos/Caesar can negate her.
@@babrad Okay I don't know what's going on now lol, I'm seeing conflicting information. OCG database posted a new entry today for CL1 TTT vs CL2 I:P Masquerena into S:P Little Night in favor of the TTT user. At this point I guess it's up to the judge to make the call...
@@Maniwaninja wait really? Last month we also had a lot of ruling reversals. I'll respond back as soon as I can
@@babrad Okay it seems like they really are doing a ruling reversal. I just checked the Couple of Aces Q&A and it also has an update on 10/18/2023. The current controller gets to trigger the effect to draw 2.
Activating the level mannidium monsters is pretty bad ngl. Understanding the difference between a summon that starts a chain and one that does not is basic level shit.
But with how some people still think spright cards would make colossus broken, I am not surprised.
The TTT ruling is disastrous.
I feel like the ruling should be similar to:
Drytron tribute benten, chain ddcrow to banish benten. Benten doesnt get to activate effect.
I feel like the same rule should apply to:
Activate TTT to take, chain branded in red and try to summon guardian chimera on resolution take guardian chimera.
I feel like in this situation guardian chimera shouldnt activate for any player because the location it started at changed (i know still on field but this way a lot of confusion can be taken away)
Can someone tell me what is happening between Unicorn and TTT?
Mannadium is a fun deck but I don't think it competes this format. It's not solved though, so hopefully we see something new out of it. I do think the average player forgetting to link off Cross Sheep when they don't do the FTK is weird. It's not like Tear where you can make use of it during the opponent's turn. Just make S:P or Apollousa. Tri-Heart can be funny, too.
The thing is mannadium loss by a lot of cards (shifter, droll, crow, ecc) but the biggest for me are lava golem or super poly, that are inevitable for every end board (baronne+apollousa, dis pater/baronne+sp, triheart+dis pater, chaos angel+dis pater, ecc....)
Lol "that's tough" yeah it is
How do you not just go into Mannadium plays instead of going into light heart?
When?
If you mean game 1 match 1, Reichert was normal summon then the unchained popped it when it was targeted with riumheart.
@@chewdoom8415 I noticed on 2nd watch but just feels like that could’ve played cleaner
You're correct there's no way you don't just make light heart there
@@stuckmeister7750 No he is not. Light heart was right to do since the riumheart target got popped, but he was eight about it being played cleaner because they revived Reichert instead taking soul of rage
game 2 manna player misplayed, he should’ve normaled riumheart first to see if they had imperm then since they did have it - he could search meek with planet and still play with abscision and end on baron counter trap at the very least
Am i tripping ir game 1 dude threw so hard for no reason
fr he had little knight and vicious at least
Can we get some runick volcanic highlights
this!
At 10:54 the mannadium player summoned a link monster when they were locked into synchro monsters. Lol
If you use mannadium level 6 synchro to special summon a level 2 tuner from the grave you get synchro locked.
Thays only if you use it's second effect.
Game 3 match 1 is why yugioh is REALLY shit sometimes
Drew 2 sideboard floods + combo game 3. Unlucky i guess, go next
.... Watched the first game, and when I saw the player that was winning go from 8000 to 0 in 1 turn I simply stopped. Power creep way out of whack with this game lol.