I'm surprised that YT doesn't seem to have any issues with advertisements for VPNs. Especially when they're promoted for making it possible to bypass streaming service region locks, which exist because those regions don't have legal rights to provide certain content... Figured they'd at least be restricted to have ads only promote the 'privacy' component.
I've had Surfshark for over a year and have never been able to connect to Netflix when it's on. In fact, so many sites block it that I normally have to pause it for regular browsing.
'History is not there for you to like or dislike. It is there for you to learn from it. And if it offends you, even better. Because then you are less likely to repeat it. It’s not yours for you to erase or destroy'.
Yeah well Simon and his team dont seem to have a problem erasing history. Here I was hoping to learn about the experiment that taught kids about racism but instead I get bombarded with "white people are evil" within the first 2 minutes and half of that was an ad. I didnt need to watch another video explaining how evil white people are. I was hoping that Kevin would be less biased than other writers. Maybe its the topic. 1 31 "White reporters were asking black leaders..." 1. So what if white reporters were asking. In 1970 87.7% of the country was white and there werent as many news outlets. And what does their skin color have to do with doing their job. Should a white doctor not ask a black patient questions about their health even if it could help the patient 2. There were black reporters (Earl Caldwell, Belva Davis, etc). Why assume black reporters werent equally concerned about how people (black and white) would react after MLKs death ("Riots broke out in over 100 American cities"). And, "black leaders" as opposed to who? Although the era was known for the civil rights movement so saying "black leaders" instead of "civil rights leaders" seems biased. Not trying to be pc since the movement was mostly about desegregation in relation to black people. Although the NAACP was founded (in 1909. MLK was born in 1929) by a group including white people: Charles Russell, Oswald Villard, Florence Kelley, William Walling, Mary Ovington, Henry Moskowitz and Mary Terrell. The president of the NAACP in the 1960s was Kivie Kaplan a white man. So commenting "black leaders" is biased since there were white (civil rights) leaders. Not reporting all the facts... factboi. If this isnt an example of bias then why was it essential including that the reporters were white and I want proof that not a single black reporter asked similar questions. Im out. 1 41 "when our leader was killed several years ago, his widow held us together. Who's going to control your people?" "Not only was the reporter suggesting that the white president should be leader only of white Americans". How do you get "leader only of white Americans" from "his (white) widow held us together"? His widow, the widow of the president of the country, was holding the country together, not white people exclusively. You might as well said that she was holding Catholics together since he was Catholic. Or she was holding widows or parents together since she was a widow and a parent. And MLK had a wife. Why assume MLKs wife would abandon "her people". "The center was founded in 1968 by Coretta Scott King,[1] who started the organization in the basement of the couple's home in the year following the 1968 assassination of her husband, Martin Luther King Jr." I think Coretta actually did more for "her people" than Jackie did. Jackie was famous because she married Kennedy ("The Kennedy family is an American political family that has long been prominent in American politics, public service, entertainment, and business. In 1884, 35 years after the family's arrival from County Wexford, Ireland, Patrick Joseph "P. J." Kennedy became the first Kennedy elected to public office, serving in the Massachusetts state legislature until 1895. At least one Kennedy family member served in federal elective office from 1947 (JFK was elected in 1961)). After Kennedy died she seemed to stay out of the spotlight. Some lessons will never be learned. I spent more time doing research and writing than what I watched lol. And Simons intonation on "your leaders" Yeah. Not implying anything at all (that was sarcasm). I wonder what percent of the profits from this video will be donated to charity. I doubt it will be much if any.
Yeah well Simon and his team dont seem to have a problem erasing history. Here I was hoping to learn about the experiment that taught kids about racism but instead I get bombarded with "white people are evil" within the first 2 minutes and half of that was an ad. I didnt need to watch another video explaining how evil white people are. I was hoping that Kevin would be less biased than other writers. Maybe its the topic. 1 31 "White reporters were asking black leaders..." 1. So what if white reporters were asking. In 1970 87.7% of the country was white and there werent as many news outlets. And what does their skin color have to do with doing their job. Should a white doctor not ask a black patient questions about their health even if it could help the patient 2. There were black reporters (Earl Caldwell, Belva Davis, etc). Why assume black reporters werent equally concerned about how people (black and white) would react after MLKs death ("Riots broke out in over 100 American cities"). And, "black leaders" as opposed to who? Although the era was known for the civil rights movement so saying "black leaders" instead of "civil rights leaders" seems biased. Not trying to be pc since the movement was mostly about desegregation in relation to black people. Although the NAACP was founded (in 1909. MLK was born in 1929) by a group including white people: Charles Russell, Oswald Villard, Florence Kelley, William Walling, Mary Ovington, Henry Moskowitz and Mary Terrell. The president of the NAACP in the 1960s was Kivie Kaplan a white man. So commenting "black leaders" is biased since there were white (civil rights) leaders. Not reporting all the facts... factboi. If this isnt an example of bias then why was it essential including that the reporters were white and I want proof that not a single black reporter asked similar questions. Im out. 1 41 "when our leader was killed several years ago, his widow held us together. Who's going to control your people?" "Not only was the reporter suggesting that the white president should be leader only of white Americans". How do you get "leader only of white Americans" from "his (white) widow held us together"? His widow, the widow of the president of the country, was holding the country together, not white people exclusively. You might as well said that she was holding Catholics together since he was Catholic. Or she was holding widows or parents together since she was a widow and a parent. And MLK had a wife. Why assume MLKs wife would abandon "her people". "The center was founded in 1968 by Coretta Scott King,[1] who started the organization in the basement of the couple's home in the year following the 1968 assassination of her husband, Martin Luther King Jr." I think Coretta actually did more for "her people" than Jackie did. Jackie was famous because she married Kennedy ("The Kennedy family is an American political family that has long been prominent in American politics, public service, entertainment, and business. In 1884, 35 years after the family's arrival from County Wexford, Ireland, Patrick Joseph "P. J." Kennedy became the first Kennedy elected to public office, serving in the Massachusetts state legislature until 1895. At least one Kennedy family member served in federal elective office from 1947 (JFK was elected in 1961)). After Kennedy died she seemed to stay out of the spotlight. Some lessons will never be learned. I spent more time doing research and writing than what I watched lol. And Simons intonation on "your leaders" Yeah. Not implying anything at all (that was sarcasm). I wonder what percent of the profits from this video will be donated to charity. I doubt it will be much if any.
My teacher implemented this in 10th grade during social studies. It was only done for 30 minutes as an introduction to the lesson but it remains in my memory more than the actual lesson.
Id argue that the even stronger revelation is not that they turned against each other it's that they turned on themselves aswell vs trying to do better to prove that theyre not dumber
Yep. A lot of people don't really realize that these types of movements tend to eat themselves if left to their own devices. Germany, Italy, and Japan all lost WW2 in major part because they were basket cases only held together by belligerence towards outside powers.
@@westrim They mostly lost because how lopsided resources were. Their ideologies and negligience of logistics esp. in the case of the Japanese didn't help of course.
As someone who did undergo this experiment with a different teacher in the early 2000s in a racist family and county, I can say it did help me learn at an early age not to judge others based on their appearance
@@frakismaximus3052 Seeing as the experiment was based on eye colour, it was designed to teach against all discrimination. At the end of the experiment, the teacher talked about Asians and Native Americans as well, not just blacks.
@@frakismaximus3052 They just plainly stated that it did 'REALLY' help. Perhaps spend more time working on your reading comprehension than whining about imaginary white oppression. Your bigotry is showing...blatantly.
Are you alright? It was definitely meant to teach people that ANY difference,is not enough of a difference to be prejudice against...Regardless of race,or any other factor.
As in, the students took it took far? We did something similar in my grade school in the 90s but just for one class, not two full days of it, which seems a bit much for such young kids. I think doing it one day, switching half way through would be less stressful for middle schoolers
One can only hope that there will come a day when everyone realizes we are all human. We all live on planet Earth. The worst we can be called is Earthlings.
Discrimination sucks. I had a 5th grade teacher who singled me out and humiliated me more than once. I remember 4 specific instances. It wasn't Miss Watanabe, who was very nice, but left during the school year to have a baby, it was her replacement - I've blocked the abusive replacement's name. It didn't help that I was caucasian in Hawaii, which is, or was, a minority. I was also shy, so it was devastating to me. I didn't have problems with any of my classmates, just that teacher. I also never had any other teacher treat me that way, before or after. I'll never forget it, and I'll never treat anyone like that.
So true. Discrimination is soul destroying. And it is the minority group (in your case Caucasian) that get singled out. I am coffee color in a dominantly white community. At school there was a small group of white girls who would call me racist names, but the boys left me alone. Unusual memory for me. It's sad to be in 2024 and racism is trending upward and not declining. We as humans seem to struggle to learn lessons from the past.
I got to experience that as well, living in Hawaii in the 90s while my dad was stationed at Fort Shafter. While most of the people were very friendly, the ones that were prejudiced and got away with it made things miserable whenever they were present, but that did give me perspective to understand why many POC feel that simply being "one of the good ones" isn't enough... the bad actors that don't get held accountable makes their victims feel like nobody cares about what is done to them. May I ask - did you attend Makalapa? I remember Makalapa being the mild version of what people got elsewhere on the islands, mainly because that was where all the AMR kids went and they typically stuck together. I just remember a Miss Watanabe there when I attended - my friend Mike was in her class while I was in Miss Tanaka's for 5th grade, I'm just wondering if the nice teacher you had was the same Miss Watanabe...
Exactly!!! If racism was as they claim there'd be fist fights everyday at work. Yet the only discrimination at most jobs is the pay versus the expectations of management. Well that and the shit leadership of managers in many companies nowdays.
@@MinusMedley not exactly, it’s more of a tool used by people and governments. The internet can’t make and enforce laws or start its own war, however it can be used to convince a population that those things need to be done and make it easier for governments to do so
Ron Jones performed a similar experiment for a period of around a week on high school students in 1967. This started the movement that was the plot of this episode and I dare say this would have planted the seed in Jane's mind. His experiment was the Basis for the 1981 movie and subsequent novelization "The Wave". The book was mandatory reading in my history class at school. There were 2 people in my year with Heterochromia, myself being one of them and I wondered what type of treatment we would receive under similar circumstances.
they would probably go the route of how mixed race people were treated, and depending on the person either treat you good or bad both days because you would have "some" of the "better" option. it would be interesting to experiment with, but i feel at the point we're at now it would be unnecessary at such a large scale.
I agree with Jane. It's not an experiment, it's an exercise. There's no measurable results with regards to an individuals prejudice, but there is the hope that they may learn from the experience. Learning should be challenging, that's when it works best.
Fun fact: Most, if not all streaming services block access if you use a VPN. I was working on a cruise ship in the Mediterranean, and later the Caribbean and I couldn't watch any of the Star Trek or Star Wars series' that came out over the summer because of geographic restrictions. I tried my VPN and couldn't even login.
Depends on which ones. Express VPN has always worked for me. But the whole thing is a back and forth between streaming services trying to block VPNs and VPNs figuring out how to overcome. Depending on the progress it can be hit or miss whether you can use a streaming service or not.
Why do they care so much? I would understand if they were selling access to other regions and the VPN was a way to get it for free, but that's not the case. What are they losing out on here?
In 7th grade a teacher declared we must refer to him as "My King" and marched us out into the nearby woods, arbitrarily decreed half of us were slaves, and directed half the slaves to move rocks, another group to move the rocks back, and another group to sit and watch and make sure no slaves slacked off or talked to each other. If we didn't "satisfactorily" participate in our roles as oppressors the King sentenced us to slavery. There were also other arbitrary and humiliating acts demanded by the King for his entertainment. I started as an oppressor. The number of oppressors eventually decreased to one, our King. This went on long enough to go from being fun to being a major drag with no end in sight. When asked how long we would have to do this "lesson", the King laughed maniacally and said there was no "lesson" and there would be no "end". I surreptitiously whispered plans for a rebellion to some fellow slaves, which were quietly passed along. We all simultaneously tackled the king to the ground (a large man), and stuffed leaves up his sleeves and down his collar. The lesson then ended. This was one of the best learning experiences I ever had.
@@clowntown3 That would make the experiment a bit more interesting. I imagine a 3rd class of people would fracture the 2 main ones somewhat. I would have made them ubermensch, above the other 2 groups and remaining constant when the groups swapped armbands.
I guess she just referenced the Nazis obsession with blue eyes. The "perfect" human was tall, blond and has blue eye. I always thought it is ironical that Hitler himself had dark hair and brown eyes.
@@Lunch2391 It was an actual joke at the time that almost none of the Nazi leadership matched their ideal. Of course you had be careful who listened at the time because for some reason they didn't like being joked about.
For some reason YT didn't like my original reply. Let's just say that the Germans didn't invent many of those ideas but copied them from elsewhere. Over the pond maybe?
@@stevenobrien557 How was it fake? The primary point: TRIBALISM is real. While true the 1971 has faced significant criticism and scrutiny over the years, it DID in fact happen. The experiment’s methodology, ethical implications, and generalizations had contributing influences (such as telling that someone of the other tribe is bad, less intelligent, etc., the experiment still holds some value in understanding social dynamics - although its findings should be interpreted with caution. I was merely comparing the experiments.
@@KGTiberius it was cut short and the participants said that they were encouraged to act up. It is considered to have little to no academic merit with shoddy methodology (the term fraud gas also been used) which came at a time where a number of experiments were being run more for the self promotion of the directors and the publicised shock value which was all predetermined - which is why you (and others) are talking about it now decades later without knowing the details of it.
@@stevenobrien557 I am obviously familiar with the issues, as I indicated in my previous reply; however, I understand the admonition to stop referencing it. I merely saw similar issues in the above referenced video with children… promoting the kids a bit for qualities of superiority. My point remains regarding the truth of tribalism.
There have been several other exercises in this during the past 50-odd years, also by spliting a group into two parts - one superior and one inferior - and all have demonstrated the same results. This teacher's endeavours cannot be decried, should rather be lauded, for putting children (who are simply moulded by their surroundings anyway) into a position in which to experience discrimination for themselves and realise how bad it feels
@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115yeah. And yet society never learned. Where those of "colour" was seen as bad, they are now seen as better because of what their parents lived through. If we want to stop racism, we need to stop learning people how to be racist. (And I'm not talking about this experiment, here both sides experienced it)
@@movingforward3030 You don't "learn to be racist" you just recognize patterns. Do you have any idea of why the "Apartheid" was implemented in South Africa for starters? I'll give you a hint; Detroit.
@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 not just that. The British turned us against one another. They brainwashed us by playing games. People fighting over what is nothing and made a big thing about it. It was bad. But mostly for those who had the misfortune to meet people that was high on power. My mother slept on a patio with white and black woman and children when it was too hot to sleep inside. I don't know. It feels like it was getting worse. But now, at least in the suburban areas, it changed a lot. Regardless of Race we help one another to get better deals and better jobs. It's the politicians that keeps on pushing racism. That's one of the good results that the bad economy had. We are all in the same boat.
Jane Elliot is an amazing woman. I first saw her as a young child because my granny watched opera😂 she did the experiment with the audience and seriously raised some hackles with it. It made a huge impression on me. If kids can understand the whole point of the experiment, adults need to pay more attention.
In my 3rd grade class we had bandana day. Half the kids were given bandanas to wear and they were discriminated against. I dont remember the teacher insulting anyone or the kids being encouraged to do so. The bandana kids were not called on, had to line up last, etc. Not being called on was enough for me to feel very frustrated and drove me to tears. I wasnt being given the opportunities others were, and 25 years later, I still remember how I felt. I think the exercise being toned down and properly paired with other lessons was a positive experience.
Also we did this in my middle school class, but it was based on sneaker colors, and switched half way through the day who was the 'better treated' students. We weren't told we were better than each other, but it *was*' the extra preferred treatment. This was in the 80s
Obviously, the left has their own bigotries as well. I'm not saying that they don't. It's just specifically racism that the right in America both claims doesn't exist, and also that whites are victims of racism. The same anger at the idea of being called racist as that town.
I love all the unintentional layers that went into this experiment. From the ease at which a person in a position of power can influence the people below them, the misinformation that is so easily and readily accepted as truth to these children. How the way one talks and acts can lead those who view themselves as superior to think they have an innate right to remind those below them just how inferior they are. Sure the symptoms are greatly exaggerated as we are talking about children who don't know any better and may act impulsively. But that's just the thing. These circumstances still happen to children, whether they recognize it or not, and there is rarely anyone who cares to correct their worldview. Oh and also, pay teachers more! Otherwise they may start influencing a small army of children to raise against us
Grew up in a rural area with about a 65/35 white/black population. This video/experiment makes me think about a sad statistic in my graduating class: not a single black male had above a D average. Very impoverished community, especially for the black Americans, which I’m sure exacerbated their problems with the education system.
Knowing your comment sections, this'll be drowned out by extremists on both sides of the political spectrum, but Jane Elliot is a genius who's contributions to the sociology of racism will always be legendary.
I just needed to look up if she's a feminist to see if she is capable of being objective. She is a feminist and as such an ideologue she is not capable of being fair minded. So your Comment is totally laughable 😂
I think she is a sociopath who had too much hubris, self sanctimony, and no scientific education, to be experimenting on small children because of her feelings.
"Though the names the students were called were certainly not comparable to that word" Why not? A bigoted slur mocking someone for a superficial inborn trait the person hurling the insult has stupidly decided has negative connotations is a bigoted slur mocking someone for superficial inborn traits the person hurling the insult has stupidly decided has negative connotations. I don't understand people who say some slurs are more insulting then others because they have 'history' behind them. The level of personal hatred and contempt the bigot feels matters more then whatever word they choose to use to express it. Isn't that why its perfectly okay for black people who are 'making it their own' to say certain racial slurs to each other? Because they say it with no hatred and both parties know its being said with no hatred?
While I agree with Jane and want a world where such an exercise isn't needed, we still live in a world where it really is. I don't know at what age, or by whom, this exercise should be run, I know that it should be. It seems a great way to get the point across to people who have a hard time putting themselves in others shoes, and if there was a way to tone it down a touch it seems like it could be a lot of fun learning not only how it feels from one side or the other, but also how strong you need to be to stand up against it.
We gotta remind society that Simply believing there are races, is racist. I, an American of European descent, am the same race as people with Asian, African, South American, middle eastern, and all indigenous descent. We even have our oppressed people thinking they are one race of many. It's a lie we all won't give up.
@@kaltaron1284 WRONG if you had taken a basic college level biology class, you'd learn that the fact is, what we call races in all areas of science DO NOT APPLY to humans. Therefore, YOU are racist
You don't rape little boys to teach them it's wrong to rape women when they grow up. You don't beat children up to teach them it's wrong to hit people. You don't shoot people to teach them guns are dangerous. You don't infect people with viruses to teach them to wash their hands. You don't run people over to teach them not to drink and drive. So why should it be acceptable to discriminate against people to teach them that discrimination is wrong?
@@major_kukri2430 unfortunately, no. I might be mis remembering. It was in a college psych class in 2001 or 2002. And I don't remember enough details to find it. I might be mixing up with something else.
If it's traumatizing for the kid to experience discrimination for a single day, imagine how traumatizing it is to exist as a black person in a society that actually treats you like that 100% of the time. These complaints perfectly expose the point of the experiment: how much white children's comfort is valued over the actual safety and treatment of black people. If you're so offended by the experiment, you should be that much more offended by the actual conditions of society.
This was a damn good video. Informative. Always known and never spoken. Upringing matters the most to how you behave. Exceptions excist but those exceptions are usually also exceptions
I grew up 20 miles from Riceville and my dad‘s cousins were in school there during the 60s and 70s how have I never heard of this! Thank you Simon! I’m going to make some calls.
It's crazy how so many people are so concerned about the ethics of a day or two of a non-violent social experiment and not the reason it's thought to be needed. That point is only proven in these responses
Typical expected response. How do you know she just didn't teach them how to be better racists? If you punish a kid for lying, do they stop lying? Or become better liars? "If it doesn't fit my idea of what racism is, you must be racist by default " just like the kids in the experiment. Especially when she hyperfocused it on one ethnic group of people based on her feelings of a tv program, assuming the information being reported is true. Then you try to subvert that she did experiment on other people's children without consent by minimalizing the language. Declaring you are racist or finger pointing at others who don't agree with YOUR definition of racism, doesn't make one racist. It is luxury activism from on behalf of virtue signalers who feel guilty about their privilege, and campaign for groups that they "feel sorry for" without ever looking into the data to feel smug and superior. But will never be found in a ghetto, barrio, hospital, or the Appalachians. Then will lower the education standards specifically for poor black students because "they feel sorry for them" not realizing they are engaging in the soft bigotry of low expectations. Why aren't standards being lowered for poor Asian students? It is just evolved racism, by engaging in racist behavior hiding behind projection instead of a hood.
How do you know she just didn't teach them how to be better racists? If you punish a kid for lying, do they stop lying? Or do they become better liars? Some rando without science education assumed the comment of one person on tv is true and turned it into an experiment on a class of children without consent. I thought we were big on consent? All the minimizing language doesn't change that fact. Being ok with that is very true to Yahzee heritage. This was based on a faulty notion that not being exposed to another heritage leads to racism b default, as opposed to children just not knowing what race even is who have never been exposed. The first thing people notice about a stranger is attractiveness, not color. But she certainly made sure they knew.
@rebeccastaniewicz4039 this "dessertation" you decided to comment once again proves my point. You completely avoided the point of my comment and showed how instead of solving the root issue, most people just want to be right or superior in some way. The human ego is a tragic thing.
Despite the fact that I was raised to treat people equally, other sources such as news and entertainment media did its own damage to that core belief. Even something as innocuous as a black man dying first in a horror movie, subtly indicating that if a black man were in such a nightmarish scenario, plausible or not, they would likely not survive. Star Trek had its own version of this with "red shirts" constantly being killed off the show. For a long time, if gays were portrayed at all, it was to be the butt of the jokes or literal punching bags. While it may have started with racism towards black people, one quickly comes to realize it can be applied to any sort of discrimination. Eye color, sexual orientation, gender, the disabled, hair color, religious ties, political beliefs, even the color or cut of clothing one wears. It quickly becomes evident that anyone with the basic knowledge of how to manipulate people, and the motivation to do so, can easily make a mob of "righteous" followers by feeding their egos and preying upon their insecurities. Unfortunately, until everyone is taught only to judge upon individual merits of a person, rather than trying to fit them in a box of a sub-class such as brown haired men, I fear we're stuck with discrimination in one form or another. Just because there are a few brown haired male serial killers, does that make all brown haired men one? Of course not, but it's quite easy to instill the belief that they are, and have society as a whole shift their view. One needs only to look at the concentration camps in North America for that. During the war with Japan, anyone who resembled a person Japanese descent, even if they were Chinese, Korean or otherwise was rounded up or at risk of it. As though somehow one's meat suit would equate to their personal beliefs or actions they may take. Sadly, I don't foresee anything changing in the near future. Governments frown upon the individual who steps out of line and thinks for themselves. The people need to be controlled for those in power to stay in power, and it turns out inciting a mob and turning the people against each other is a very easy way to keep that power over them. That's largely why there are so many divides drawn regardless of personal believes. Liberal or Conservative, one sports team or another, one religion or another, the list goes on. And if you don't choose a side, you're discriminated against by both. While I think this exercise shouldn't be necessary, I believe until society evolves to the point where there isn't discrimination, it's a necessary lesson. However, it will never become mandatory curriculum so long as discrimination remains a tool for governments to use to hold power.
We, as humans, automatically place people in perceived boxes. The issue is human and unfortunately the solution is awareness. Awareness nowadays though is often perceived through a lense, which interprets information coorelating to our initial beliefs. Self insight and awareness are both required for a better world and is a difficult subject for most people to develop themselves in. On a more positive note- although globalization through the internet has some detrimental consequences to society, it often also expands an individuals awareness, knowledge and self insight.
@@majavaxholm9314The internet has not expanded knowledge in recent years except for those who purposefully seek it out. Additionally, it has created bigger echo chambers than what used to exist and I would say is overall more of a problem than a solution. It has caused us to walk back 50 years in the last 15, regrettably. A great invention which has been destroyed by algorithms and corporations.
I saw a documentary about this which showed the filmed experiment with the kids and the reunion, but also showed the experiment done with adults, and some of the adults didn’t seem to get it. I remember one woman saying you don’t see black people treated this way, and there was a lot of outrage
My high school history teacher did this. It was only one hour-long period during one day out of our year, but it was extremely effective and i remember it entirely almost 20 years later. The teacher didn't warn us or anything - but that made it all the more effective, imo
We did an experiment like this in school in uk. I can say that it made me a better person. Having grown up with racism in my family. I learnt how ridiculous it is and completely changed my view. Its a good thing all people should go through.
I had an English teacher my senior year of high school who turned her lights off on her classroom and shines a flashlight on your eyes when you came to class and yelled at you to go to either the left or right side of the room. It was super intense and after every one had come to class she turned the lights on and said everyone standing on the left you are dead every one on the right you're in the labor camps ( we were studying the halocost and WW2) it was extremely tense and incredibly eye opening
We did an experiment like this in 5th grade. Around 2003. It was involuntary participation and we didn't know it was happening. It was done alongside our Black history month lessons. They had the boys as the superior group and girls as the inferior. It ended with me going to the hospital with a massive panic attack, a bunch of other girls also having stress related problems, and the teachers got in huge trouble.
Well, that's really not the same thing at all. Misogyny does exist in the real world, and girls are actually made to feel inferior. Eye color is quite arbitrary in comparison. I would imagine that in order for the experiment to have its intended effect, the experimenter would need to pick a factor for which people aren't discriminated against in real life.
@@asira444 I agree. It was absurd that my teachers thought that was a good idea. Especially in our backwater religious town when oppressive gender roles were the norm. I think they chose girls to be the oppressed group because the majority of non-white students were boys, so it "looked better". Still a bad idea. I don't think we,as 5th graders, were mature enough for that experiment period.
Life is full of stress, and what stress doesn't overwhelm you will make you stronger. My teacher tried this experiment with my class on a smaller scale in primary school and I think it really expanded my world view and made it easier to empathise with others at a young age. Just because we shouldnt be cruel to children doesn't mean we should coddle them.
In junior high we watched a documentary in which this same teacher did this to adults, she started by charging the "out group" as argumentative which allowed her to discount any objections as proof of her point. These adults were absolutely unable to notice anything wrong with this, and that terrified me.
People don't seem to realize just how often these types of things happen naturally in schools with bullying. Kids are treated horribly by other students because of how they dress, how much money they have, what kinds of things they are interested in, or because of your standard discriminatory stuff like religion, race, sexual orientation, etc... Most parents call this behavior "normal" or "kids being kids", but it is predatory behavior that causes all kinds of long-term issues for the victims of bullying. Now with social media, you have kids being pushed towards things like suicide or even school shootings in response to feeling helpless. NO ONE has a right to treat someone else as a lesser person, no matter what their role in society or their background... period.
I am reading the comments and I can see that a lot of us were taught this lesson in school. I remember it well as a blond/blue eyed kid. I will take this message one step further and posit that this happens among siblings of a family; even if it is just "no, your brother is the musician." ... So now I play VOICE!
The junior high I attended conducted this experiment back in the '80s, but for two weeks at a time. What's more, the same class also conducted a version that had students wearing either swastika armbands or yellow stars . . .
Some commentary from someone with research experience. What Jane did cannot be classified as an experiment purely based on the definition of experiment. Informed consent aside, there’s no random assignment. For the sake of what she was doing, she absolutely needed a discernible and consistent feature, but that limits this at best to a quasi-experiment. We can assume she’d have a testable hypothesis in the form of “those lead to believe they are superior will behave negatively towards those they believe inferior “ and similar hypotheses, but you just can’t do random assignment. However, I still feel her results are interesting, and experiments with the SIDE model with deindividuation effects has yielded similar results though more ethically. I am thinking about how I would try to get a study like this through a university IRB, and a version with children almost certainly wouldn’t pass, and an adult version already would be hard enough to justify harms (to all participants). Plus there would have to be some degree of deception on the Informed Consent forms.
I don't believe Jane intended her use of the word "experiment" to be taken literally or scientifically. Jane's was teaching, the subject was discrimination, her pupils learnt what discrimination meant.
@@cordeliafitzgerald8714 that’s pretty much what I am saying. When talked about outside her original context, it’s a classroom exercise. But also it’s important to remember when someone does something and calls it a social experiment, there is rarely an actual experiment. However, you can say what she did was a within subjects quasi-experiment though.
@@kingofhearts3185 I'm currently studying psychology and I can confirm that by the modern ethics guidelines for psychological experiments this would be considered unethical though mostly because of lack of informed consent, no ability to opt out and not providing option for psychological help afterwards as stress caused and the like can be justified by the data gained if it is significant enough.
@@kingofhearts3185Simon talks about this in the video, but consent is a necessary component of any ethical research. One only has to look at the Tuskegee syphilis experiment to understand why. The Belmont report (1976) governs the ethics of any experiments conducted with humans now - and it was inspired by the Nuremberg code. Nazis infamously conducted horrific experiments in the camps & so the world collectively agreed that protections had to be set up. One of the main principles is informed consent. It’s even more important with children, who aren’t old enough (brain development) to make informed decisions to consent.
Children are not stupid, they just have limited knowledge through lack of experience. Screaming at a kid a thousand times to not do something won't have the same effect as sitting them down, and explaining why they should refrain from doing it. Children's don't care about politics, borders, race or genders. The people looking at this from a scientific level, and calling it "immoral" or likewise, are plain wrong. The words of student in later life speak louder than any of their psychoanalysis.
A 'moderate reduction of long term prejudice' from one single day of school is rather impressive. I'm no expert but judging on the kids demeanour during that reunion it doesn't seem if there was any lasting damage; just learning. All seems pretty positive to me
They should teach this in school. Considering studies have found discrimination is a natural human trait there will never be a day where discrimination won't exist.
I actually went through this experince in a small town Wisconsin in the early 2000's. Our elementary school called it "Slave Week." being one of 3 black students in the school my sister and I didn't participate.
Just made it through the advert, and this thought popped into my head: World great medical terrible Netflix. America crappy medical great Netflix. Wow! I think we need to sort out our priorities, America.
Our history teacher in germany did this with us because we couldn't understand how people in nazi-germany could simply believe that their friends and neighbours whom they'd known for years lesser than them suddenly. It worked immediately! Took my class less than 10 minutes to conform to the idea that group A was superior to group B
I don't think that its a good thing for 3rd graders, I think that they could be more thoughtful about it if they were a little bit older. Group think can be pretty nasty
All the outrage about how awful and traumatizing it is for young kids to experience such horrible discrimination, yet we all seriously need to consider that POC, including the youngest of children, were/are experiencing this same thing every single day. Why no outrage for them? Why not be horrified that people are experiencing this trauma and suffering every day of their lives? It was all about the poor white kids, how dare they be subjected to such a thing for any period of time! Even the few people talking about it in the comments that are simply focusing on how awful it was and traumatizing, are you not able to apply this to the people who experience this from birth for their entire lives? They have that trauma daily.
kids probably didn't say much more to their parents than "we played a game that i didn't really like because of king's death" or something similar, and because they were so young it would be hard to actually explain to parents that the experiment involved them experiencing discrimination
I'm having a hard time finding fault with this. At first it seemed a bit cringe, but the groundwork, the framing she used, seems like she did a good job of managing the planned unfairness. I'm sure this test could be abused so I'm glad she didn't.
I wonder if there is a comparison to be made about how political leaders speak about their opposition. It feels a lot like the main stream news networks talking about the parties on the other side of their respective fences. The Divided States of America 😢
I think this comparison can be made for most forms of bullying. Fat vs. skinny. Glasses vs. no glasses. Has a stanley cup vs. has a dupe. Follows x religion vs. follows y religion. It's all ridiculous and seems to be based in this tribal idea of us vs. them. Politics is almost as easy to assume of other people as religion and it makes for easy targets to straw man. I think this problem is also nearly impossible to solve. We're currently fighting against the symptoms of something that seems to be inside of humans that we are willing to be so cruel to people we can categorize as less than ourselves.
I went through this experiment at a young age. My blue eyes made me superior first, and I don't remember anything of that part really, but when it switched, I remember being so sad that people I was friends with were mean to me. Idk if it changed me, because it wasn't a core memory or anything, but I do constantly try to strive to remove my own prejudice out of my life as an adult.
We watched a German film in class, Die Welle (The Wave) which is based on a true story in which a class recreates a nazi-inspired order, which is very similar to these experiments. In the class, the students weren't segregated from each other directly however they made changes such as wearing a simple uniform and encouraged to only spend time with other uniformed students. They began to look down on anyone not in their class or wearing their uniform and it snowballed from there. Fantastic film, highly recommend
Some people on here are equating awareness of racism as furthering racism. That's like saying awareness of disparities between sexes is the same as creating disparities. It's a logical fallacy, just because you're uncomfortable dealing with it and don't think it's appropriate for children to learn about it, doesn't imply that ignoring it is any way to deal with it. Because it absolutely is still a problem today.
My grandparents are older than the first girl to attend a desegregated school in the South. To anyone claiming that they "teach racism", you mean their parents and grandparents 🙃 were literally less than 60 years away from the civil rights movement. That is recent history with attitudes that have been actively spread by racists to their children in the last few decades up to today. It's not new people. We've yet to unlearn it, get a damned clue
if it’s not effective for racism it’s definitely a good exercise for history class. Although it is way unethical. Imagine one of the kids has a mental illness like social anxiety or panic disorder.
In a way studing the experiment in school would be good. Like have students guess what would happen during the experiment and then reveal what actually happened. This reminds me of the experiment in the book "the wave". The students are wondering why so many people would follow the Nazis. The teacher works out an experiment where the start an elitist group. In the end most of the school is part of the group and it doesn't end well.
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Can Simon whistle?
Fuck vpns
I'm surprised that YT doesn't seem to have any issues with advertisements for VPNs. Especially when they're promoted for making it possible to bypass streaming service region locks, which exist because those regions don't have legal rights to provide certain content... Figured they'd at least be restricted to have ads only promote the 'privacy' component.
I've had Surfshark for over a year and have never been able to connect to Netflix when it's on. In fact, so many sites block it that I normally have to pause it for regular browsing.
'History is not there for you to like or dislike. It is there for you to learn from it. And if it offends you, even better. Because then you are less likely to repeat it. It’s not yours for you to erase or destroy'.
That’s a great quote. Do you know who said it?
Yeah well Simon and his team dont seem to have a problem erasing history.
Here I was hoping to learn about the experiment that taught kids about racism but instead I get bombarded with "white people are evil" within the first 2 minutes and half of that was an ad. I didnt need to watch another video explaining how evil white people are. I was hoping that Kevin would be less biased than other writers. Maybe its the topic.
1 31 "White reporters were asking black leaders..." 1. So what if white reporters were asking. In 1970 87.7% of the country was white and there werent as many news outlets. And what does their skin color have to do with doing their job. Should a white doctor not ask a black patient questions about their health even if it could help the patient 2. There were black reporters (Earl Caldwell, Belva Davis, etc). Why assume black reporters werent equally concerned about how people (black and white) would react after MLKs death ("Riots broke out in over 100 American cities"). And, "black leaders" as opposed to who? Although the era was known for the civil rights movement so saying "black leaders" instead of "civil rights leaders" seems biased. Not trying to be pc since the movement was mostly about desegregation in relation to black people. Although the NAACP was founded (in 1909. MLK was born in 1929) by a group including white people: Charles Russell, Oswald Villard, Florence Kelley, William Walling, Mary Ovington, Henry Moskowitz and Mary Terrell. The president of the NAACP in the 1960s was Kivie Kaplan a white man. So commenting "black leaders" is biased since there were white (civil rights) leaders. Not reporting all the facts... factboi.
If this isnt an example of bias then why was it essential including that the reporters were white and I want proof that not a single black reporter asked similar questions.
Im out. 1 41 "when our leader was killed several years ago, his widow held us together. Who's going to control your people?" "Not only was the reporter suggesting that the white president should be leader only of white Americans". How do you get "leader only of white Americans" from "his (white) widow held us together"? His widow, the widow of the president of the country, was holding the country together, not white people exclusively. You might as well said that she was holding Catholics together since he was Catholic. Or she was holding widows or parents together since she was a widow and a parent. And MLK had a wife. Why assume MLKs wife would abandon "her people". "The center was founded in 1968 by Coretta Scott King,[1] who started the organization in the basement of the couple's home in the year following the 1968 assassination of her husband, Martin Luther King Jr." I think Coretta actually did more for "her people" than Jackie did. Jackie was famous because she married Kennedy ("The Kennedy family is an American political family that has long been prominent in American politics, public service, entertainment, and business. In 1884, 35 years after the family's arrival from County Wexford, Ireland, Patrick Joseph "P. J." Kennedy became the first Kennedy elected to public office, serving in the Massachusetts state legislature until 1895. At least one Kennedy family member served in federal elective office from 1947 (JFK was elected in 1961)). After Kennedy died she seemed to stay out of the spotlight.
Some lessons will never be learned.
I spent more time doing research and writing than what I watched lol. And Simons intonation on "your leaders" Yeah. Not implying anything at all (that was sarcasm). I wonder what percent of the profits from this video will be donated to charity. I doubt it will be much if any.
I wonder why my comment is hidden
Yeah well Simon and his team dont seem to have a problem erasing history.
Here I was hoping to learn about the experiment that taught kids about racism but instead I get bombarded with "white people are evil" within the first 2 minutes and half of that was an ad. I didnt need to watch another video explaining how evil white people are. I was hoping that Kevin would be less biased than other writers. Maybe its the topic.
1 31 "White reporters were asking black leaders..." 1. So what if white reporters were asking. In 1970 87.7% of the country was white and there werent as many news outlets. And what does their skin color have to do with doing their job. Should a white doctor not ask a black patient questions about their health even if it could help the patient 2. There were black reporters (Earl Caldwell, Belva Davis, etc). Why assume black reporters werent equally concerned about how people (black and white) would react after MLKs death ("Riots broke out in over 100 American cities"). And, "black leaders" as opposed to who? Although the era was known for the civil rights movement so saying "black leaders" instead of "civil rights leaders" seems biased. Not trying to be pc since the movement was mostly about desegregation in relation to black people. Although the NAACP was founded (in 1909. MLK was born in 1929) by a group including white people: Charles Russell, Oswald Villard, Florence Kelley, William Walling, Mary Ovington, Henry Moskowitz and Mary Terrell. The president of the NAACP in the 1960s was Kivie Kaplan a white man. So commenting "black leaders" is biased since there were white (civil rights) leaders. Not reporting all the facts... factboi.
If this isnt an example of bias then why was it essential including that the reporters were white and I want proof that not a single black reporter asked similar questions.
Im out. 1 41 "when our leader was killed several years ago, his widow held us together. Who's going to control your people?" "Not only was the reporter suggesting that the white president should be leader only of white Americans". How do you get "leader only of white Americans" from "his (white) widow held us together"? His widow, the widow of the president of the country, was holding the country together, not white people exclusively. You might as well said that she was holding Catholics together since he was Catholic. Or she was holding widows or parents together since she was a widow and a parent. And MLK had a wife. Why assume MLKs wife would abandon "her people". "The center was founded in 1968 by Coretta Scott King,[1] who started the organization in the basement of the couple's home in the year following the 1968 assassination of her husband, Martin Luther King Jr." I think Coretta actually did more for "her people" than Jackie did. Jackie was famous because she married Kennedy ("The Kennedy family is an American political family that has long been prominent in American politics, public service, entertainment, and business. In 1884, 35 years after the family's arrival from County Wexford, Ireland, Patrick Joseph "P. J." Kennedy became the first Kennedy elected to public office, serving in the Massachusetts state legislature until 1895. At least one Kennedy family member served in federal elective office from 1947 (JFK was elected in 1961)). After Kennedy died she seemed to stay out of the spotlight.
Some lessons will never be learned.
I spent more time doing research and writing than what I watched lol. And Simons intonation on "your leaders" Yeah. Not implying anything at all (that was sarcasm). I wonder what percent of the profits from this video will be donated to charity. I doubt it will be much if any.
Well my comment discussing the bias in this video isnt showing up.
My teacher implemented this in 10th grade during social studies. It was only done for 30 minutes as an introduction to the lesson but it remains in my memory more than the actual lesson.
Id argue that the even stronger revelation is not that they turned against each other it's that they turned on themselves aswell vs trying to do better to prove that theyre not dumber
Yep. A lot of people don't really realize that these types of movements tend to eat themselves if left to their own devices. Germany, Italy, and Japan all lost WW2 in major part because they were basket cases only held together by belligerence towards outside powers.
@@westrim They mostly lost because how lopsided resources were. Their ideologies and negligience of logistics esp. in the case of the Japanese didn't help of course.
As someone who did undergo this experiment with a different teacher in the early 2000s in a racist family and county, I can say it did help me learn at an early age not to judge others based on their appearance
Is it really true though? Does it REALLY teach people not to judge? Or only that whites shouldn't be prejudiced against blacks?
Bro what 😭@@frakismaximus3052
@@frakismaximus3052 Seeing as the experiment was based on eye colour, it was designed to teach against all discrimination. At the end of the experiment, the teacher talked about Asians and Native Americans as well, not just blacks.
@@frakismaximus3052 They just plainly stated that it did 'REALLY' help. Perhaps spend more time working on your reading comprehension than whining about imaginary white oppression. Your bigotry is showing...blatantly.
Are you alright? It was definitely meant to teach people that ANY difference,is not enough of a difference to be prejudice against...Regardless of race,or any other factor.
In 1992, my 10th grade teacher did something similar. It was an optional participation, I didn't participate. It didn't end well
As in, the students took it took far? We did something similar in my grade school in the 90s but just for one class, not two full days of it, which seems a bit much for such young kids. I think doing it one day, switching half way through would be less stressful for middle schoolers
Well,it's hard to do in a multicultural atmosphere...
I vaguely remember we were separated by eye color in first grade in the late 80s, but the exercise didn't go far and I don't remember much about it.
That very year, 1992, I was in the 11th grade. We discussed that experiment in class but never recreated it.
Let me guess, events in LA didn't help?
One can only hope that there will come a day when everyone realizes we are all human. We all live on planet Earth. The worst we can be called is Earthlings.
What do you mean the worst we can be called is earthlings?
Because earthlings do some terrible things to each other for no rational reason.
Discrimination sucks. I had a 5th grade teacher who singled me out and humiliated me more than once. I remember 4 specific instances. It wasn't Miss Watanabe, who was very nice, but left during the school year to have a baby, it was her replacement - I've blocked the abusive replacement's name. It didn't help that I was caucasian in Hawaii, which is, or was, a minority. I was also shy, so it was devastating to me. I didn't have problems with any of my classmates, just that teacher. I also never had any other teacher treat me that way, before or after. I'll never forget it, and I'll never treat anyone like that.
So true. Discrimination is soul destroying. And it is the minority group (in your case Caucasian) that get singled out. I am coffee color in a dominantly white community. At school there was a small group of white girls who would call me racist names, but the boys left me alone. Unusual memory for me. It's sad to be in 2024 and racism is trending upward and not declining. We as humans seem to struggle to learn lessons from the past.
I am so very sorry that happened to you. Teachers can be the most horrific people!
I got to experience that as well, living in Hawaii in the 90s while my dad was stationed at Fort Shafter. While most of the people were very friendly, the ones that were prejudiced and got away with it made things miserable whenever they were present, but that did give me perspective to understand why many POC feel that simply being "one of the good ones" isn't enough... the bad actors that don't get held accountable makes their victims feel like nobody cares about what is done to them.
May I ask - did you attend Makalapa? I remember Makalapa being the mild version of what people got elsewhere on the islands, mainly because that was where all the AMR kids went and they typically stuck together. I just remember a Miss Watanabe there when I attended - my friend Mike was in her class while I was in Miss Tanaka's for 5th grade, I'm just wondering if the nice teacher you had was the same Miss Watanabe...
@Dreznin no, I was in pearl city.
@@auntyshakira747 I understand how your situation was much worse than mine, I only experienced it for a short time but will never forget it.
Divide and rule has always been very effective within most crappy governments. 😎
Exactly!!! If racism was as they claim there'd be fist fights everyday at work. Yet the only discrimination at most jobs is the pay versus the expectations of management. Well that and the shit leadership of managers in many companies nowdays.
Today that government is called the internet.
@@MinusMedley well the US government did fund the creation of the internet so....... Does it surprise you they designed it to be a weapon????
There aren't good ones. That's literally how all governments are run.
@@MinusMedley not exactly, it’s more of a tool used by people and governments. The internet can’t make and enforce laws or start its own war, however it can be used to convince a population that those things need to be done and make it easier for governments to do so
I just studied the experiment for my year 11 psychology class last year, it was crazy to look at how the behaviour changed
Ron Jones performed a similar experiment for a period of around a week on high school students in 1967. This started the movement that was the plot of this episode and I dare say this would have planted the seed in Jane's mind.
His experiment was the Basis for the 1981 movie and subsequent novelization "The Wave". The book was mandatory reading in my history class at school. There were 2 people in my year with Heterochromia, myself being one of them and I wondered what type of treatment we would receive under similar circumstances.
they would probably go the route of how mixed race people were treated, and depending on the person either treat you good or bad both days because you would have "some" of the "better" option. it would be interesting to experiment with, but i feel at the point we're at now it would be unnecessary at such a large scale.
as a "half breed"... yea, probably not a good day.
The Third Wave
This women is one of the greats and I love her. ❤ she and her family have gone through so much in her fight against racism
I agree with Jane. It's not an experiment, it's an exercise. There's no measurable results with regards to an individuals prejudice, but there is the hope that they may learn from the experience. Learning should be challenging, that's when it works best.
judge people by their action not by group or race
Fun fact: Most, if not all streaming services block access if you use a VPN. I was working on a cruise ship in the Mediterranean, and later the Caribbean and I couldn't watch any of the Star Trek or Star Wars series' that came out over the summer because of geographic restrictions. I tried my VPN and couldn't even login.
Depends on which ones. Express VPN has always worked for me. But the whole thing is a back and forth between streaming services trying to block VPNs and VPNs figuring out how to overcome. Depending on the progress it can be hit or miss whether you can use a streaming service or not.
So just don’t use a shitty public vpn use one you made fucking skid
@@melaniemanning2462no they block mainstream vpns dipshits use
@@melaniemanning2462 Yeah. It's a classic arms race. Same as with UA-cam and add blockers. Or viruses/spyware and protection software.
Why do they care so much? I would understand if they were selling access to other regions and the VPN was a way to get it for free, but that's not the case. What are they losing out on here?
In 7th grade a teacher declared we must refer to him as "My King" and marched us out into the nearby woods, arbitrarily decreed half of us were slaves, and directed half the slaves to move rocks, another group to move the rocks back, and another group to sit and watch and make sure no slaves slacked off or talked to each other. If we didn't "satisfactorily" participate in our roles as oppressors the King sentenced us to slavery. There were also other arbitrary and humiliating acts demanded by the King for his entertainment. I started as an oppressor. The number of oppressors eventually decreased to one, our King. This went on long enough to go from being fun to being a major drag with no end in sight. When asked how long we would have to do this "lesson", the King laughed maniacally and said there was no "lesson" and there would be no "end". I surreptitiously whispered plans for a rebellion to some fellow slaves, which were quietly passed along. We all simultaneously tackled the king to the ground (a large man), and stuffed leaves up his sleeves and down his collar. The lesson then ended. This was one of the best learning experiences I ever had.
Kids with green eyes kinda mess up her little experiment somewhat. Did she assign them as a neutral control group?
They were probably just above brown eyed people, like how Irish or Italian people were a step above people of colour
@@clowntown3 Depends what type of Italians. Not those swarthy Sicilians
@@clowntown3 That would make the experiment a bit more interesting. I imagine a 3rd class of people would fracture the 2 main ones somewhat.
I would have made them ubermensch, above the other 2 groups and remaining constant when the groups swapped armbands.
Yeah, I'd have been either the lowest serf or been a king.
Green eyes are the rarest color between the three.
"Just copying the nazis" that was a chilling statement
I guess she just referenced the Nazis obsession with blue eyes. The "perfect" human was tall, blond and has blue eye. I always thought it is ironical that Hitler himself had dark hair and brown eyes.
And the Nazis were in large parts copying the USA. Now let that one sink in.
@@Lunch2391 It was an actual joke at the time that almost none of the Nazi leadership matched their ideal. Of course you had be careful who listened at the time because for some reason they didn't like being joked about.
For some reason YT didn't like my original reply. Let's just say that the Germans didn't invent many of those ideas but copied them from elsewhere. Over the pond maybe?
@@kaltaron1284 harsh but undeniable reality. I guess you are your worst enemy.
Power corrupts the corruptible. Discrimination is power. Reminds me of the Stanford Prison Experiment.
That's immediately what I thought too
Which was fake
@@stevenobrien557 How was it fake?
The primary point: TRIBALISM is real.
While true the 1971 has faced significant criticism and scrutiny over the years, it DID in fact happen. The experiment’s methodology, ethical implications, and generalizations had contributing influences (such as telling that someone of the other tribe is bad, less intelligent, etc., the experiment still holds some value in understanding social dynamics - although its findings should be interpreted with caution.
I was merely comparing the experiments.
@@KGTiberius it was cut short and the participants said that they were encouraged to act up. It is considered to have little to no academic merit with shoddy methodology (the term fraud gas also been used) which came at a time where a number of experiments were being run more for the self promotion of the directors and the publicised shock value which was all predetermined - which is why you (and others) are talking about it now decades later without knowing the details of it.
@@stevenobrien557 I am obviously familiar with the issues, as I indicated in my previous reply; however, I understand the admonition to stop referencing it. I merely saw similar issues in the above referenced video with children… promoting the kids a bit for qualities of superiority.
My point remains regarding the truth of tribalism.
There have been several other exercises in this during the past 50-odd years, also by spliting a group into two parts - one superior and one inferior - and all have demonstrated the same results. This teacher's endeavours cannot be decried, should rather be lauded, for putting children (who are simply moulded by their surroundings anyway) into a position in which to experience discrimination for themselves and realise how bad it feels
Sounds like South Africa all the way.
@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115yeah. And yet society never learned.
Where those of "colour" was seen as bad, they are now seen as better because of what their parents lived through.
If we want to stop racism, we need to stop learning people how to be racist.
(And I'm not talking about this experiment, here both sides experienced it)
@@movingforward3030 You don't "learn to be racist" you just recognize patterns.
Do you have any idea of why the "Apartheid" was implemented in South Africa for starters? I'll give you a hint; Detroit.
@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 not just that.
The British turned us against one another.
They brainwashed us by playing games. People fighting over what is nothing and made a big thing about it.
It was bad. But mostly for those who had the misfortune to meet people that was high on power.
My mother slept on a patio with white and black woman and children when it was too hot to sleep inside.
I don't know. It feels like it was getting worse.
But now, at least in the suburban areas, it changed a lot.
Regardless of Race we help one another to get better deals and better jobs. It's the politicians that keeps on pushing racism.
That's one of the good results that the bad economy had. We are all in the same boat.
@@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 We get it, you're a racist.
Jane Elliot is an amazing woman. I first saw her as a young child because my granny watched opera😂 she did the experiment with the audience and seriously raised some hackles with it. It made a huge impression on me. If kids can understand the whole point of the experiment, adults need to pay more attention.
In my 3rd grade class we had bandana day. Half the kids were given bandanas to wear and they were discriminated against. I dont remember the teacher insulting anyone or the kids being encouraged to do so. The bandana kids were not called on, had to line up last, etc. Not being called on was enough for me to feel very frustrated and drove me to tears. I wasnt being given the opportunities others were, and 25 years later, I still remember how I felt. I think the exercise being toned down and properly paired with other lessons was a positive experience.
Also we did this in my middle school class, but it was based on sneaker colors, and switched half way through the day who was the 'better treated' students. We weren't told we were better than each other, but it *was*' the extra preferred treatment. This was in the 80s
Obviously, the left has their own bigotries as well. I'm not saying that they don't. It's just specifically racism that the right in America both claims doesn't exist, and also that whites are victims of racism.
The same anger at the idea of being called racist as that town.
I love all the unintentional layers that went into this experiment. From the ease at which a person in a position of power can influence the people below them, the misinformation that is so easily and readily accepted as truth to these children. How the way one talks and acts can lead those who view themselves as superior to think they have an innate right to remind those below them just how inferior they are.
Sure the symptoms are greatly exaggerated as we are talking about children who don't know any better and may act impulsively. But that's just the thing. These circumstances still happen to children, whether they recognize it or not, and there is rarely anyone who cares to correct their worldview.
Oh and also, pay teachers more! Otherwise they may start influencing a small army of children to raise against us
Grew up in a rural area with about a 65/35 white/black population. This video/experiment makes me think about a sad statistic in my graduating class: not a single black male had above a D average. Very impoverished community, especially for the black Americans, which I’m sure exacerbated their problems with the education system.
And you didn't have a single impoverished white boy graduate with a C?
Ive watched this experiment so many times. its amazing to watch..
I remember at primary school we did this exact same thing. Really opened my eyes
Knowing your comment sections, this'll be drowned out by extremists on both sides of the political spectrum, but Jane Elliot is a genius who's contributions to the sociology of racism will always be legendary.
I just needed to look up if she's a feminist to see if she is capable of being objective. She is a feminist and as such an ideologue she is not capable of being fair minded. So your Comment is totally laughable 😂
I think she is a sociopath who had too much hubris, self sanctimony, and no scientific education, to be experimenting on small children because of her feelings.
Seems like there’s only one extremist side in this comments section.
"Though the names the students were called were certainly not comparable to that word"
Why not? A bigoted slur mocking someone for a superficial inborn trait the person hurling the insult has stupidly decided has negative connotations is a bigoted slur mocking someone for superficial inborn traits the person hurling the insult has stupidly decided has negative connotations. I don't understand people who say some slurs are more insulting then others because they have 'history' behind them. The level of personal hatred and contempt the bigot feels matters more then whatever word they choose to use to express it. Isn't that why its perfectly okay for black people who are 'making it their own' to say certain racial slurs to each other? Because they say it with no hatred and both parties know its being said with no hatred?
While I agree with Jane and want a world where such an exercise isn't needed, we still live in a world where it really is. I don't know at what age, or by whom, this exercise should be run, I know that it should be. It seems a great way to get the point across to people who have a hard time putting themselves in others shoes, and if there was a way to tone it down a touch it seems like it could be a lot of fun learning not only how it feels from one side or the other, but also how strong you need to be to stand up against it.
We gotta remind society that Simply believing there are races, is racist. I, an American of European descent, am the same race as people with Asian, African, South American, middle eastern, and all indigenous descent. We even have our oppressed people thinking they are one race of many. It's a lie we all won't give up.
@@Trump.is.a.nazzii Races do exist though. Assigning them arbitrary attributes or claiming one is better than the other is racist.
@@kaltaron1284 WRONG if you had taken a basic college level biology class, you'd learn that the fact is, what we call races in all areas of science DO NOT APPLY to humans. Therefore, YOU are racist
You don't rape little boys to teach them it's wrong to rape women when they grow up. You don't beat children up to teach them it's wrong to hit people. You don't shoot people to teach them guns are dangerous. You don't infect people with viruses to teach them to wash their hands. You don't run people over to teach them not to drink and drive. So why should it be acceptable to discriminate against people to teach them that discrimination is wrong?
I swear I saw an interview with one of those kids in psychology class, and he said the experience was traumatizing and he hated that teacher.
can you show us? I need proof
@@major_kukri2430 unfortunately, no. I might be mis remembering. It was in a college psych class in 2001 or 2002. And I don't remember enough details to find it.
I might be mixing up with something else.
If it's traumatizing for the kid to experience discrimination for a single day, imagine how traumatizing it is to exist as a black person in a society that actually treats you like that 100% of the time. These complaints perfectly expose the point of the experiment: how much white children's comfort is valued over the actual safety and treatment of black people. If you're so offended by the experiment, you should be that much more offended by the actual conditions of society.
This was a damn good video. Informative. Always known and never spoken. Upringing matters the most to how you behave. Exceptions excist but those exceptions are usually also exceptions
Brilliant episode, thank you for talking about this experiment
I grew up 20 miles from Riceville and my dad‘s cousins were in school there during the 60s and 70s how have I never heard of this!
Thank you Simon!
I’m going to make some calls.
Love your content 😊😊😊
It's crazy how so many people are so concerned about the ethics of a day or two of a non-violent social experiment and not the reason it's thought to be needed. That point is only proven in these responses
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Seriously
Typical expected response.
How do you know she just didn't teach them how to be better racists?
If you punish a kid for lying, do they stop lying? Or become better liars?
"If it doesn't fit my idea of what racism is, you must be racist by default " just like the kids in the experiment. Especially when she hyperfocused it on one ethnic group of people based on her feelings of a tv program, assuming the information being reported is true. Then you try to subvert that she did experiment on other people's children without consent by minimalizing the language.
Declaring you are racist or finger pointing at others who don't agree with YOUR definition of racism, doesn't make one racist. It is luxury activism from on behalf of virtue signalers who feel guilty about their privilege, and campaign for groups that they "feel sorry for" without ever looking into the data to feel smug and superior. But will never be found in a ghetto, barrio, hospital, or the Appalachians. Then will lower the education standards specifically for poor black students because "they feel sorry for them" not realizing they are engaging in the soft bigotry of low expectations. Why aren't standards being lowered for poor Asian students?
It is just evolved racism, by engaging in racist behavior hiding behind projection instead of a hood.
How do you know she just didn't teach them how to be better racists?
If you punish a kid for lying, do they stop lying? Or do they become better liars?
Some rando without science education assumed the comment of one person on tv is true and turned it into an experiment on a class of children without consent. I thought we were big on consent? All the minimizing language doesn't change that fact. Being ok with that is very true to Yahzee heritage.
This was based on a faulty notion that not being exposed to another heritage leads to racism b default, as opposed to children just not knowing what race even is who have never been exposed.
The first thing people notice about a stranger is attractiveness, not color.
But she certainly made sure they knew.
@rebeccastaniewicz4039 this "dessertation" you decided to comment once again proves my point. You completely avoided the point of my comment and showed how instead of solving the root issue, most people just want to be right or superior in some way. The human ego is a tragic thing.
Despite the fact that I was raised to treat people equally, other sources such as news and entertainment media did its own damage to that core belief. Even something as innocuous as a black man dying first in a horror movie, subtly indicating that if a black man were in such a nightmarish scenario, plausible or not, they would likely not survive. Star Trek had its own version of this with "red shirts" constantly being killed off the show. For a long time, if gays were portrayed at all, it was to be the butt of the jokes or literal punching bags.
While it may have started with racism towards black people, one quickly comes to realize it can be applied to any sort of discrimination. Eye color, sexual orientation, gender, the disabled, hair color, religious ties, political beliefs, even the color or cut of clothing one wears.
It quickly becomes evident that anyone with the basic knowledge of how to manipulate people, and the motivation to do so, can easily make a mob of "righteous" followers by feeding their egos and preying upon their insecurities.
Unfortunately, until everyone is taught only to judge upon individual merits of a person, rather than trying to fit them in a box of a sub-class such as brown haired men, I fear we're stuck with discrimination in one form or another. Just because there are a few brown haired male serial killers, does that make all brown haired men one? Of course not, but it's quite easy to instill the belief that they are, and have society as a whole shift their view. One needs only to look at the concentration camps in North America for that. During the war with Japan, anyone who resembled a person Japanese descent, even if they were Chinese, Korean or otherwise was rounded up or at risk of it. As though somehow one's meat suit would equate to their personal beliefs or actions they may take.
Sadly, I don't foresee anything changing in the near future. Governments frown upon the individual who steps out of line and thinks for themselves. The people need to be controlled for those in power to stay in power, and it turns out inciting a mob and turning the people against each other is a very easy way to keep that power over them. That's largely why there are so many divides drawn regardless of personal believes. Liberal or Conservative, one sports team or another, one religion or another, the list goes on. And if you don't choose a side, you're discriminated against by both.
While I think this exercise shouldn't be necessary, I believe until society evolves to the point where there isn't discrimination, it's a necessary lesson. However, it will never become mandatory curriculum so long as discrimination remains a tool for governments to use to hold power.
We, as humans, automatically place people in perceived boxes. The issue is human and unfortunately the solution is awareness. Awareness nowadays though is often perceived through a lense, which interprets information coorelating to our initial beliefs. Self insight and awareness are both required for a better world and is a difficult subject for most people to develop themselves in. On a more positive note- although globalization through the internet has some detrimental consequences to society, it often also expands an individuals awareness, knowledge and self insight.
@@majavaxholm9314The internet has not expanded knowledge in recent years except for those who purposefully seek it out. Additionally, it has created bigger echo chambers than what used to exist and I would say is overall more of a problem than a solution. It has caused us to walk back 50 years in the last 15, regrettably. A great invention which has been destroyed by algorithms and corporations.
The mob mentality, all logic goes out the door.
I saw a documentary about this which showed the filmed experiment with the kids and the reunion, but also showed the experiment done with adults, and some of the adults didn’t seem to get it. I remember one woman saying you don’t see black people treated this way, and there was a lot of outrage
I was apart of something very, very similar while in the military in Hawaii.
That one green eyed kid:
I’m just going to see how this plays out 😎
My high school history teacher did this. It was only one hour-long period during one day out of our year, but it was extremely effective and i remember it entirely almost 20 years later. The teacher didn't warn us or anything - but that made it all the more effective, imo
If kids have to be uncomfortable for a day to see what it's like for somebody else I think it's a good thing
We did an experiment like this in school in uk. I can say that it made me a better person. Having grown up with racism in my family. I learnt how ridiculous it is and completely changed my view. Its a good thing all people should go through.
I had an English teacher my senior year of high school who turned her lights off on her classroom and shines a flashlight on your eyes when you came to class and yelled at you to go to either the left or right side of the room. It was super intense and after every one had come to class she turned the lights on and said everyone standing on the left you are dead every one on the right you're in the labor camps ( we were studying the halocost and WW2) it was extremely tense and incredibly eye opening
We did an experiment like this in 5th grade. Around 2003. It was involuntary participation and we didn't know it was happening. It was done alongside our Black history month lessons. They had the boys as the superior group and girls as the inferior. It ended with me going to the hospital with a massive panic attack, a bunch of other girls also having stress related problems, and the teachers got in huge trouble.
Well, that's really not the same thing at all. Misogyny does exist in the real world, and girls are actually made to feel inferior. Eye color is quite arbitrary in comparison. I would imagine that in order for the experiment to have its intended effect, the experimenter would need to pick a factor for which people aren't discriminated against in real life.
@@asira444 I agree. It was absurd that my teachers thought that was a good idea. Especially in our backwater religious town when oppressive gender roles were the norm. I think they chose girls to be the oppressed group because the majority of non-white students were boys, so it "looked better". Still a bad idea. I don't think we,as 5th graders, were mature enough for that experiment period.
I've seen this experiment performed in other schools with high school level students, one of them got so bad it almost caused a school wide problem
Life is full of stress, and what stress doesn't overwhelm you will make you stronger. My teacher tried this experiment with my class on a smaller scale in primary school and I think it really expanded my world view and made it easier to empathise with others at a young age. Just because we shouldnt be cruel to children doesn't mean we should coddle them.
Absolutely brilliant! I can think of a few kids growing up who could have used this lesson.
This experience had changed how children were looked at 😢 bullied and people still act this way today 😢
In junior high we watched a documentary in which this same teacher did this to adults, she started by charging the "out group" as argumentative which allowed her to discount any objections as proof of her point. These adults were absolutely unable to notice anything wrong with this, and that terrified me.
People don't seem to realize just how often these types of things happen naturally in schools with bullying. Kids are treated horribly by other students because of how they dress, how much money they have, what kinds of things they are interested in, or because of your standard discriminatory stuff like religion, race, sexual orientation, etc... Most parents call this behavior "normal" or "kids being kids", but it is predatory behavior that causes all kinds of long-term issues for the victims of bullying. Now with social media, you have kids being pushed towards things like suicide or even school shootings in response to feeling helpless. NO ONE has a right to treat someone else as a lesser person, no matter what their role in society or their background... period.
This reminds me of the Standford Experiment (except theirs was prisoners/prison guards)
This was interesting af. What a legend
I remember seeing this in grade school during the Civil Rights movement. I believe she had a follow up film.
I am reading the comments and I can see that a lot of us were taught this lesson in school.
I remember it well as a blond/blue eyed kid.
I will take this message one step further and posit that this happens among siblings of a family; even if it is just "no, your brother is the musician."
... So now I play VOICE!
I suppose a similar discussion/video, should be done on the Third Wave experiment. And how easy it is for hateful ideologies to develop.
Jane was right this should be a regular thing done by teachers
I studied this experiment in sociology. Brilliant
Fascinating, yet basic psychology. Tho i gotta say, it is fascinating as an experiment.
Awesome of you to cover Jane
This reminds me of the Teacher who taught his students the pitfalls of Nazism.
The junior high I attended conducted this experiment back in the '80s, but for two weeks at a time. What's more, the same class also conducted a version that had students wearing either swastika armbands or yellow stars . . .
A book called "The wave" comes to mind
this is brilliant!
So far I think this has been one of the better videos. Of course I love all of these videos on this channel, but this one sticks out..
We did this experiment in my college psychology course
See this is the kind of subjects that I want to hear about!
Wonder how this would work on Clayton Biggsby.
Some commentary from someone with research experience. What Jane did cannot be classified as an experiment purely based on the definition of experiment. Informed consent aside, there’s no random assignment. For the sake of what she was doing, she absolutely needed a discernible and consistent feature, but that limits this at best to a quasi-experiment. We can assume she’d have a testable hypothesis in the form of “those lead to believe they are superior will behave negatively towards those they believe inferior “ and similar hypotheses, but you just can’t do random assignment. However, I still feel her results are interesting, and experiments with the SIDE model with deindividuation effects has yielded similar results though more ethically. I am thinking about how I would try to get a study like this through a university IRB, and a version with children almost certainly wouldn’t pass, and an adult version already would be hard enough to justify harms (to all participants). Plus there would have to be some degree of deception on the Informed Consent forms.
I don't believe Jane intended her use of the word "experiment" to be taken literally or scientifically.
Jane's was teaching, the subject was discrimination, her pupils learnt what discrimination meant.
@@cordeliafitzgerald8714 that’s pretty much what I am saying. When talked about outside her original context, it’s a classroom exercise. But also it’s important to remember when someone does something and calls it a social experiment, there is rarely an actual experiment. However, you can say what she did was a within subjects quasi-experiment though.
That thumbnail really made me want to watch this a$ap like rocky
Just found this video and I get all Simon’s immediately. Wonder if UA-cam’s messing with it
I always found this so interesting. Very unethical from a psychology perspective but super effective, definitely a good thing imo
Curious why you call it unethical.
@@kingofhearts3185 I'm currently studying psychology and I can confirm that by the modern ethics guidelines for psychological experiments this would be considered unethical though mostly because of lack of informed consent, no ability to opt out and not providing option for psychological help afterwards as stress caused and the like can be justified by the data gained if it is significant enough.
@@kingofhearts3185Simon talks about this in the video, but consent is a necessary component of any ethical research. One only has to look at the Tuskegee syphilis experiment to understand why. The Belmont report (1976) governs the ethics of any experiments conducted with humans now - and it was inspired by the Nuremberg code. Nazis infamously conducted horrific experiments in the camps & so the world collectively agreed that protections had to be set up. One of the main principles is informed consent. It’s even more important with children, who aren’t old enough (brain development) to make informed decisions to consent.
@@kingofhearts3185 children can’t give informed consent
@@abiwright2726 They can't consent to any of the lessons they get taught, what makes this any different?
This isn't aging well seeing how 'they' act in society.
Statistics and reality don't care about what sounds mean.
Who's they? Racist rioters?
We studied this experiment in both middle and high school social studies. It was awkward and uncomfortable
I wasn’t raised racist. I just recognize patterns…
I wasn't either, I just read history, most violent wars who caused those wars and highest pedo rates
Was there not a documentary about this and Jane? I can recall watch something about this... It was blood good.
Do more psychological studies pleas!
Got another one coming!
Children are not stupid, they just have limited knowledge through lack of experience. Screaming at a kid a thousand times to not do something won't have the same effect as sitting them down, and explaining why they should refrain from doing it.
Children's don't care about politics, borders, race or genders.
The people looking at this from a scientific level, and calling it "immoral" or likewise, are plain wrong.
The words of student in later life speak louder than any of their psychoanalysis.
A 'moderate reduction of long term prejudice' from one single day of school is rather impressive. I'm no expert but judging on the kids demeanour during that reunion it doesn't seem if there was any lasting damage; just learning. All seems pretty positive to me
They should teach this in school. Considering studies have found discrimination is a natural human trait there will never be a day where discrimination won't exist.
I actually went through this experince in a small town Wisconsin in the early 2000's. Our elementary school called it "Slave Week." being one of 3 black students in the school my sister and I didn't participate.
Just made it through the advert, and this thought popped into my head: World great medical terrible Netflix. America crappy medical great Netflix. Wow! I think we need to sort out our priorities, America.
Our history teacher in germany did this with us because we couldn't understand how people in nazi-germany could simply believe that their friends and neighbours whom they'd known for years lesser than them suddenly.
It worked immediately! Took my class less than 10 minutes to conform to the idea that group A was superior to group B
I don't think that its a good thing for 3rd graders, I think that they could be more thoughtful about it if they were a little bit older. Group think can be pretty nasty
Brilliant experiment ! Everyone should throughj similar training.
All the outrage about how awful and traumatizing it is for young kids to experience such horrible discrimination, yet we all seriously need to consider that POC, including the youngest of children, were/are experiencing this same thing every single day. Why no outrage for them? Why not be horrified that people are experiencing this trauma and suffering every day of their lives? It was all about the poor white kids, how dare they be subjected to such a thing for any period of time! Even the few people talking about it in the comments that are simply focusing on how awful it was and traumatizing, are you not able to apply this to the people who experience this from birth for their entire lives? They have that trauma daily.
I fin it interesting that whilst Jane's experiment ran over a 2 day period there appears to be no parental response after day 1!!!
kids probably didn't say much more to their parents than "we played a game that i didn't really like because of king's death" or something similar, and because they were so young it would be hard to actually explain to parents that the experiment involved them experiencing discrimination
@@cocoa6671or like “teacher told us what discrimination was like” and they probably assumed she gave them some lecture of some kind.
I'm having a hard time finding fault with this. At first it seemed a bit cringe, but the groundwork, the framing she used, seems like she did a good job of managing the planned unfairness. I'm sure this test could be abused so I'm glad she didn't.
I wonder if there is a comparison to be made about how political leaders speak about their opposition. It feels a lot like the main stream news networks talking about the parties on the other side of their respective fences. The Divided States of America 😢
I think this comparison can be made for most forms of bullying. Fat vs. skinny. Glasses vs. no glasses. Has a stanley cup vs. has a dupe. Follows x religion vs. follows y religion. It's all ridiculous and seems to be based in this tribal idea of us vs. them. Politics is almost as easy to assume of other people as religion and it makes for easy targets to straw man.
I think this problem is also nearly impossible to solve. We're currently fighting against the symptoms of something that seems to be inside of humans that we are willing to be so cruel to people we can categorize as less than ourselves.
I went through this experiment at a young age. My blue eyes made me superior first, and I don't remember anything of that part really, but when it switched, I remember being so sad that people I was friends with were mean to me. Idk if it changed me, because it wasn't a core memory or anything, but I do constantly try to strive to remove my own prejudice out of my life as an adult.
We watched a German film in class, Die Welle (The Wave) which is based on a true story in which a class recreates a nazi-inspired order, which is very similar to these experiments. In the class, the students weren't segregated from each other directly however they made changes such as wearing a simple uniform and encouraged to only spend time with other uniformed students. They began to look down on anyone not in their class or wearing their uniform and it snowballed from there. Fantastic film, highly recommend
The Third Wave? 1967 in Palo Alto California
@@everypitchcounts4875 I believe that's the one
Thank you Simon and team.
Another very poignant subject expecially in todays world. Geopolitical speaking.
You're welcome!
Some people on here are equating awareness of racism as furthering racism. That's like saying awareness of disparities between sexes is the same as creating disparities. It's a logical fallacy, just because you're uncomfortable dealing with it and don't think it's appropriate for children to learn about it, doesn't imply that ignoring it is any way to deal with it. Because it absolutely is still a problem today.
Wrong racism isn’t a problem nowadays god you people are terrible
My grandparents are older than the first girl to attend a desegregated school in the South. To anyone claiming that they "teach racism", you mean their parents and grandparents 🙃 were literally less than 60 years away from the civil rights movement. That is recent history with attitudes that have been actively spread by racists to their children in the last few decades up to today. It's not new people. We've yet to unlearn it, get a damned clue
if it’s not effective for racism it’s definitely a good exercise for history class. Although it is way unethical. Imagine one of the kids has a mental illness like social anxiety or panic disorder.
Good for her. Sometimes you need that clear cut unorthodox method to drive the point home.😊
Oh my god! She taught them empathy! How horrible. (sarcasm).
What about hazel-eyed students? Mine are a mix of green, blue and gray.
If the critics who say this exercise is unethical are right, then where is the hue and cry for how people of color are treated every day?
Shut up. We have it rammed down our throats daily the past 3 years.
In a way studing the experiment in school would be good. Like have students guess what would happen during the experiment and then reveal what actually happened.
This reminds me of the experiment in the book "the wave". The students are wondering why so many people would follow the Nazis. The teacher works out an experiment where the start an elitist group. In the end most of the school is part of the group and it doesn't end well.