Sorcery: The TCG that banned digital art
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I like how every card is borderless. No need to make ten different levels of artificially scarce alternate treatments, just make every card look good.
I like this card game as a celebration of physical media and a platform for artists to explore their creativity. In an era of constant art grifts and aggressive corporate pushing for making the arts obsolete, this is sorely needed.
Early Magic had a very wide range of art. Some of it was iconic and remains very evocative pieces of art even today and some of it was very .... utilitarian. But it all added to the great feel of early Magic where every booster pack held the chance for wondorous discovery. Good to see that at least some people still remember that feeling and are striving to keep it alive. Will definitely check out Sorcery! Thanks for sharing it with us.
I am not against consistency through a set, but MtG atm only gets really inspired art every now and then.
@@zenithquasar9623 I think mtg has been getting a lot better at putting out diverse, inspired art in recent years. There's still "the contemporary mtg art style," but they're not afraid to bring on artists who do something completely different. Jeremy Wilson, Eli Minaya, John Tedrick, and say what you will about Booster Fun and Secret Lairs, but they undeniably make sure Magic has no shortage of unique art. (And even within "the contemporary mtg art style," there's a fair share of masterpieces like Storm the Seedcore.)
Just look at cards like Stasis and Land Tax: you don't need art that is technically breathtaking to be effective in card games. What is missing is the feeling of novelty that gave different cards their unique "feel."
It kind of sounds like you could use this as a worldbuilding tool, especially for D&D. Play a game of this and take a photo of the layout of the sites at the end of the game and you kind of have a hexmap. Heck what happened in the game could even the background lore of that setting
That might be super fun. A whole quest could be made regarding rival wizards or something and the most you’d have to do is make stats for the monsters
The inverse could work too. Have the PCs act as agents for the wizard and acquire assets for the final battle. Whatever the PCs accomplish translates to more cards available for their wizard's deck.
Hearing about the placement mechanics reminded me of how my brother and I first played MtG. We thought lands created "lanes" and you could only attack down those lanes. Creatures in front of those lands could defend them and, as per our non-verbal agreement, you could only "stack" four lands. Lands also had to be the same type, so you couldn't mix say forests and mountains. Thus every non-basic also had its own "lane". We also had an idea that unblocked monsters could also steal unguarded artifacts instead of damaging the player, but it never came up in play.
What a funny misunderstanding.
That misunderstanding could be worked into a game.
That's very similar to sorcery, funny enough. Unguarded artifacts (like the rolling bolder mentioned in the video), is free for anyone to use. That means if the minion you have equip with flaming sword dies in enemy territory, your opponents minions can pick it up and use it against you.
In sorcery you pick up an infinite amount of unguarded artifacts and still attack.
This looks amazing, thank you. I player mtg in the early 90s and the feel was totally different. I also tried to build a grid structure to play on back then too, for more strategic depth. The designers of this new game seem to have created exactly what I wanted to play!
An they fixed mana. yes!
Nobody tell Hasbro, they’ll send the pinkertons round.
Nobody expects the Hasbro Pinkertons!
Their chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and fear . . .
@@kontrarien5721 Surprise and fear, and violence
Holy crap Ben. Sorcery FTW
Such an awesome surprise seeing you cover Sorcery! My love of OSR games really is what piqued my interest in Sorcery to begin with, so seeing you cover it here has really brought things full circle.
I just got my precon decks yesterday and played three games already. It was a nice surprise to see you cover it.
Sorcery content from Questing Beast??? no bloody way!!! This is brilliant. Have any cards you want a copy of, Ben? I'd love to trade! 😅
I dig it. Haven't played MTG (as in bought new cards) since.... 2005ish? But this sounds pretty cool. There was a card shop that sold commons and uncommons for 5 cents if you bought 20 or more. My wife (then girlfriend) used to have cheap nerd dates in which she and I would make decks for each other based on what we thought the other would like. I still use the blue wizard/bird deck she made me lol
You clearly found the lucky rare!
@@drillerdev4624 definitely did. Lol
The different artists create a more intriguing visual for the game and the formatting gives it cohesion. The grid sounds fun.
I'm not into CCGs -- but wow, you make a compelling case for this one. I love that world-building element and the abstract aspect is really intriguing. Thank you!
Thanks for covering this Ben. Ive had my eye on this one for a while. Something about it just gets my Fantasy ideas churning!
Wow! Just bought into this game last week. Very timely! It’s great that the art being fantastic isn’t carrying the game, it’s genuinely very cool in how it plays as well. Very narrative and tells a great story!
Thanks for the review. I've been curious about MTG but not enough to try. Seems like Sorcery will be interesting, especially if it has a Chess-like feel.
I just want to interject that early magic was indeed a lot like a chess game. And early magic had 100% painted art. I think I may have to check out this game and recommend it to my local game store.
I'd only play early Magic if I wasn't born too late to enjoy those cards without paying a fortune. Sorcery could be a good compromise.
30 years is a long time
Having a variety in the "quality" of art really reminds me of the old days of mtg. Very nostalgic. I don't consider it a bad thing, I love it in fact. Thanks for intriducing me to a new TCG.
shadow wizard money gang, we gonna be casting spells; waiting for the nuclear bomb card - funny AF if they do.
check out doomsday device and craterize
Cool game developer! I like their approach to rarity.
At this point it might be the only way to honestly know if it's not ai. Given that artists will soon have to compete against an ai stealing their works to compete with themselves basically... getting more effective over a smaller and smaller data set. Well I would consider some notion of this to get more popular.
This video is definitely a pleasant suprise
I don't dislike digital art inherently but the results here are plain to see that there's something about the traditional methods that a lot of current digital art lacks. I lack the art vocabulary to describe it though. Something about the textures and fine grittiness of detail? I feel like digital art tends to be too smooth.
Not sure how I missed you having a newsletter
Great video. Thank you for branching into something a bit different.
One of the best ccgs I've played that has literally pulled me back to collectible card games. I used to play magic heavily for decades and quit due to power creep, but Sorcery and it's grid based and region based play has pulled me back in. Because of this video, I have since went out and bought multiple beta boxes and can't wait for Arthurian Legends.
I was really interested in getting into MtG but I didn’t like how most of the art in the recently released sets looked and preferred the look of the older sets.
These cards look great, exactly what I’m into.
Hopefully I can pick some packs up.
I bought a booster box and the precon set
Looking forward to them arriving.
Wow this is like Magic and the boardgame dixit combined! First it didnt peak my interest "ah another magic clone" but after watching your explanation I am hooked!
Looks awesome! Wonder why it hasn't got more attention, especially with WotC being such a hot topic these days. I know plenty of people that would be happy for a similar TCG, but don't want to put any more money in that companies wallets
The game is steadily growing. It is still in Beta, but the company is scaling up their operations.
The reddit community and discord are getting bigger and bigger everyday!
Sounds interesting. I may have to look into this game some more.
Napiszę w języku ojczystym. Te karty są po prostu piękne! No i Twój kanał też mi się podoba. Gry fabularne łączą ludzi z różnych kontynentów.
I just heard of this game. The owner of my long time LFGS is super excited about it and if he's into it, it must be pretty good. I like the correlation you make to DnD as I got into MtG when the owner of a now out-of-business comics and games store sold me on it as "DnD but with cards'. From that point on, I always play acted the role of the Planeswalker and would even give my creatures names and do sound effects and funny voices. Even my tournament opponents would eventually get in on the fun. I haven't played a tournament in nearly a decade. Everyone is just so serious.
This is really cool! I love the art. I will be buying a set for inspiration alone. I hope the game is fun too!
This looks really interesting. Very cool art and the directional play looks very appealing.
If I had friends to play it with, I would probably get into this game.
Heck, I'll probably still buy some cards, if only to look at the gorgeous art...
Wow QB you brought up a lot of good points. I gave up on magic years and years ago, because I wouldn't spend the money needed to build your deck to competent power levels. I just wasn't into that. I like the balancing your mentioned to allow newer players to feel they have a feel chance. Nice review.
"Tap" being on the cards seems risky to me, legally.
Afaik that patent has expired
@@Sierra99I was not aware of this, good to know!
tap is not a copy rightable term, but the mtg symbol is so any game( many other games do can use tap) can use it, but not the symbol mtg tap symbol that is copyrighted
The crossover we all needed. Love Sorcery!
LOVE the look, but not sure if i want to play it.
This was very very well done. Thank you for taking the time to learn the game and really do a fantastic job of articulating the brilliant creativity in the game design and featuring its beautiful artwork.
9:45 KNACK BABYEEEEEE
It is amazing to see the full art for foil cards on the back but I couldn't get how to hide that from the opponent while playing.
Just use sleeves, same size for magic the gathering cards (standard size)
WOW, so happy you covered this game. I played it a few months back and immediately bought a few packs along with the starter sets pretty much EXCLUSIVELY for the art. It is evocative, captivating, and utterly beautiful. The most amazing art in the TCG world, by FAR, IMHO.
Awesome!
I kind of wish I could get back into CCG, but then I remember both the years and money I wasted on both Yugioh & Pokemon, as well as a bunch of random anime inspired CCG that never went anywhere (like the early Digimon, YuYu Haskusho, and such).
As well as the fact I don't have the time to join local CCG groups to play it.
Still, this looks pretty fun.
as a concept artist the idea of only using physical art is great. it gives great value to the game and a very specific art direction more like the old school style of magic
Maybe I'm crazy but it makes me think of Spellfire. I haven't looked at those cards in a while.
The game is awesome. Its unique and truly feels like playing chess with badass art cards.
Had to google the term TCG :D
Are the foils legal for play with how their backs are?
The assumption for tournament play is that cards are in sleeves with opaque backs
I love sorcery for what it is as a fan of fantasy and board games, but the compatitive TCG player who plays Flesh and Blood in me is infuriated with how vague the cards can be at times. I was playing a game with my brother and we looked at a card and none of us knew what it was supposed to do, so we pulled out our phones and went to find out and we still didn't figure it out so we had to join the Sorcery discord and ask in the rulings channel to see how to use the card correctly. I remember feeling that a card felt way too strong because of my interpretation of the vague text and after the game I once again asked on the discord and found out that both me and my opponent completely misunderstood how the card works making it grossly OP because of how vague the text is. Love the game tho as a kitchen table board game to get people into TCGs.
I think you and I have fairly different opinions on game design, but this video definitely has gotten me interested in this game.
Damn, seems fun. Gonna be difficult to convince a friend to also play tho
anyone knowsleeves he's using?
a damn shame its nearly impossible to acquire in Eu. I've been an old mtg player since 1996 and i love the nostalgic feel. But alas, not available anywhere. Really unfortunate
I am a huge fan of the art.
What I'm not sold on is that the game requires keeping cards aligned in a grid.
Having to worry about rows and columns aligning with your opponent makes the game feel more like a board game than a card game imo
I find Magic fun but loathe it's design at this point. I've only ever kept my commander deck for the occasion game (which at this point is years in between).
I'm also a sucker for old-school, well, anything fantasy. Will definitely pick this up.
What’s the thumbnail art?
I like love the creativity and inspiration that comes from real art. AI always looks bland and soulless compared to an oil painting.
Cool
I’d rather look at the old mtg art from 1993-1995 than the new computer driven stuff on their cards. That’s why I only play old school mtg formats.
"Mythic" is the word you're looking for, not Legendary. Mythic is a rarity. Legendary is a Supertype.
Do you think there will be a market for trading and reselling like in magic? As in, you can theoretically get a card worth more than the box? (I know it's very early on, but I'm curious about your predictions for the game's future)
yes there are cards already in the hundreds and a few over 1k
@ConfessionGang that's ridiculous
@@MrRayRockstar not really people see things at prices people are willing to pay, and they don't reprint the way WOTC reprints, so cards can hold value. There no money in investing in a non reserve list mtg
@ConfessionGang so is this a game, or is this an investment?
@@MrRayRockstar A game that has collectibility, the value of your collection should g up over time. That keeps the game healthy for the long term. Why are you such a hater?? If you don't care about SCR then don't watch content about SCR. Why can't you just let people enjoy things?
seems neat, but I don't like the freeform nature of the text - it's a bit too "target player loses next turn" for me.
Team covenant has great content covering this game
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What's tcg
While I can't speak to the game itself, I find the stance of no digital art strange to say the least. What you make with a graphics tablet and photoshop (or krita or gimp or something else entirely) is up to the user. And I don't think I saw anything that would have been impossible to make digitally. You know, a graphics tablet is a tool, but so is a paint brush.
When I see a card with a paragraph on how it’s played on the card I am immediately turned off from the game.
If I could go back in time and get a cooler hobby than MtG, I would.
Seagrave is the GOAT
Honestly, this game sounds like it's not for people who play TCGs. The vagueness of the rules text is always gonna cause issues. I can't even count the number of times I and friends have been baffled trying to figure out text on a card in a board game, and that's always gonna be worse with a TCG card that you've never seen before. The varying limit on copies of a card per deck is going to make deckbuilding frustrating for anyone who has a strong sense of what they want their deck to do, because it reduces the consistency a lot. On top of that, I can't spot where the rarity indicator is on the card... If that's hard to spot at a glance, it'll make it way slower to make sure your deck follows the restrictions.
The rarity is actually in the typeline in the middle of a card. For example, an "elite" card has elite rarity (rare). You can make quite consistent decks if you want, you just have to mostly use commons and uncommons.
above the text body there is a line of text that always has the four rarity's in the text look for these words, ordinary= common, extraordinary =uncommon, elite= rare Unique=mythic
@QuestingBeast have you even heard of pauper?
Dislike how expensive it has gotten
When Mom says we have magic at home. 😅
The passive aggression towards MTG in this lol… sounds like this is basically Gwent
He called this game "eclectic" lol
The description of the game was a rollercoaster of ups and downs to me (not saying is a bad game, 100% personal taste).
Ultimately, loose ruling and the TCG model makes it a pass for me, unfortunately. I hate blindbuys and gachas.
The game seems very interesting and has a very unique mechanic with the way you form and play across a battlefield. Some of the appeal points seem directly boomer-ish, a very "well back in MY day these games were BETTER" mindset, but if it inspires something creative and fun, I guess it's an alright outcome. I just wonder how sustainable it is to give every card hand-crafted art. Certainly worth keeping an eye on, but we'll see if it overcomes the Two-Year Curse and doesn't just die out, given that it's a niche within a niche.
It is _unacceptable_ that some card rules are purposefully left to interpretation. Never mix flavor and rules text.
Hey look a new cool card game. Cant wait tell a broke ass meta developed by sweat lords and ruins the game. But this does look very intresting.
It's designed around kitchen table play, not tournaments. And the deck construction rules make it very hard to make to make superpowered decks.
@@QuestingBeastin the era of big data is impossible to avoid a meta landscape surging, I'm afraid.
Keyforge allegedly tried to avoid it, and ended turning rarechase into arquetypechase, afaik
I find the concept that this art has yet to be digitized odd when you show me a foil card. "Banned" digital? No, not even close. "Demands originals are physical" sure, fine. But those are two very different things.
Hi. A professional artist here. You can't tell the difference between digital and traditional painting once it's been mass-printed. Especially on something as small as a not-magic card. What a pointlessly limiting restriction. I love traditional paint as much as the next person, but wow. Dumb.
Beautiful cards though! :D
Why buy this when you can just buy vintage mtg. This game is just ANOTHER mtg ripoff that will fade away in time.
First no one plays the vintage mtg format Second SCR plays and feels nothing like mtg its a completely different game, and mtg didn't invent the fantasy genre. Why don't you just give up mtg and play a fun game???
@ConfessionGang mtg is the best and most fun game ever.
They didn't invent the fantasy genre, but they did invent the ccg as we know it.
And people do play vintage.
@@MrRayRockstar True they did invent it but mtg in recent isn't really a fixed fantasy anime more of Sci-fi with fantasy elements. MTG and SCR are very different games, SCR is closer to chess or a minitures game, (than it is to mtg) just happens to use cardboard. But judge the game on its own merits and give it a chance, it play nothing like mtg.
@ConfessionGang sorry, but mtg has so MANY formats that I would rather play with.
@@MrRayRockstar then go do that and let people enjoy the game they want to play.
“Banned digital art”?
Yeah, that’s a company that I don’t want to support.
They can't tell the difference between something you draw on a tablet and something an AI pieced together.
Yeah, this game looks pretty lame to play not gonna lie.
i like the idea but the layout makes them look like cheap board game cards.
Cheap and at the same time expensive
Nice, but the cost is way too high for something with so few cards to draw from. I'm also unimpressed with the art direction. Sure none of it is digital, but digital or not, the majority of it just looks uninspired.
hello wotc employee
Nah fam op is right it looks literally ok.
Art is amazing lmao
Of course there are less cards, it is the beta… lmao
This game is already super expensive without proving itself it's going to last.
That certainly _looks_ like how I remember Magic: The Gathering felt, circa 1994. Thank you for sharing this.