Bloodborne Lore | The Tragedy of Laurence

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  • Опубліковано 17 гру 2016
  • READ DIS: I'm fucking dumb and forgot to turn off Laurence's theme at the end which made the video have several minutes of blackness at the end. My mistake.
    I understand that I didn't touch on Gehrman's dialogue, nor the note regarding Laurence beckoning the Moon Presence. That will be covered in a video about Gehrman's character.
    Hope you enjoyed!
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  • @FrogEnjoyer17
    @FrogEnjoyer17 6 років тому +1014

    Did you ever hear the tragedy of Laurence? It's not a Story Willem would tell you

    • @SpeedWeed261
      @SpeedWeed261 4 роки тому +21

      No.

    • @heroicnerd6404
      @heroicnerd6404 4 роки тому +103

      Laurence was a scholar so arrogant and so naive,he couldn't manipulate the old blood as he wanted and ended up sending the world to hell,ironic he couldn't save anyone from death and certainly not himself.

    • @SpeedWeed261
      @SpeedWeed261 4 роки тому +69

      @@heroicnerd6404 is there anyway to learn the power of the blood?

    • @badcobra1942
      @badcobra1942 4 роки тому +55

      Not from the hunters.

    • @corneliuspildershmidt
      @corneliuspildershmidt 4 роки тому +25

      *TRANSITION TO FORBIDDEN WOODS*

  • @arbiter569
    @arbiter569 6 років тому +369

    Micalosh is not in constant torture, he's euphoric. the nightmare is heaven to him.

    • @PR1ME98
      @PR1ME98 3 роки тому +47

      Grant us eyyyyyyyeeeeeessssss

    • @MegaBlair007
      @MegaBlair007 3 роки тому +9

      @Hindenburg oooh tell me the story

    • @o5-council238
      @o5-council238 3 роки тому +5

      @Hindenburg wait this sounds so interesting

    • @BlizzTH
      @BlizzTH 2 роки тому +2

      @Hindenburg Any link about this myth?

    • @AdminAbuse
      @AdminAbuse 2 роки тому +2

      Lmao "Micalosh"

  • @fireblast133
    @fireblast133 7 років тому +211

    Is it just me or when you initiate the Laurence fight, that when he gets up, he looks like he's hungover?

  • @chronovac
    @chronovac 4 роки тому +276

    I'm pretty sure Laurence became the FIRST cleric beast, as his skull is said to be the basis for the healing church's worship

  • @agony23232
    @agony23232 6 років тому +686

    So, after watching your analysis of Laurence I had a thought, what if he is burning in agony due to his shame for having Old Yharnam burned for his misdeeds? Since mass genocide is what brought him to the nightmare, part of his punishment is to relive the flames that burned those he wronged.

    • @TyrantsRemedy
      @TyrantsRemedy 5 років тому +40

      @Fenix Anime BG hunters with Molly's:
      *YEET YEET YEET!*

    • @birdiepitchfeather63
      @birdiepitchfeather63 5 років тому +26

      That sounds very viable.

    • @TheArmouryHD0
      @TheArmouryHD0 4 роки тому +9

      @HicksZ34 my tip is use distance plus Evelyn and forget every thing else. Last time I beat him I literally didn't get hit and just shot him to death with bone marrow ash

    • @agony23232
      @agony23232 2 роки тому +1

      @Hindenburg how did you come to this conclusion? That we are in Gehrmans nightmares?

    • @agony23232
      @agony23232 2 роки тому +3

      @Hindenburg not disagreeing with you, just curious how you came to this conclusion.

  • @mitchl6896
    @mitchl6896  7 років тому +1286

    holy shit I just realised the video has 7 mins of nothing at the end
    MY BAD

    • @benwil6048
      @benwil6048 7 років тому +7

      Mitch L lol, I was thinking the same :P

    • @SekonSan
      @SekonSan 7 років тому +8

      has a song in the end ;(

    • @YashaFromRussia01
      @YashaFromRussia01 7 років тому +32

      Mitch L you are more cooked than me as usual after every Sunday Ahahahahaha

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому +70

      Iakov Kurekhin Clearly the Yharnam Bush got the best of me

    • @stevenholt5034
      @stevenholt5034 7 років тому +19

      Have you ever looked at Gerhman's eyes by zooming in the camera? He has beastly eyes, and i cannot remember who I saw this from, cutting off the left leg was a failed yet considered way to stop the beastly scourge. I personally believe he is a beast. He is our size when he is in his wheelchair. But he becomes twice the size in his fight with us. Do you think he is a beast or at least has the scourge?

  • @slippyquack7672
    @slippyquack7672 5 років тому +196

    St. Laurence went out like a champ. "I'm done on this side, you can turn me over now"- You know that pissed them off and made them laugh, which pissed them off even more lol.

    • @williamcrawford7621
      @williamcrawford7621 4 роки тому +27

      St. Laurence also played the emperor so hard with his "these are the treasures of the Church" trick. Lol, got em!

    • @TheSpicyLeg
      @TheSpicyLeg 4 роки тому +39

      William C It’s actually theologically sound. Jesus was very clear about wealth in biblical stories. The rich young ruler, for example, who asked Jesus what he must do to attain eternal life. Jesus told him to hold to God’s commandments. The ruler replied he did, and Jesus said to the ruler to sell all his possessions, give the money to the poor, and follow Him. The ruler loved his wealth and so refused to do that.
      That’s when Jesus says one of the most famous lines in the Bible: Truly, I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God.
      Much of the church’s woes are a result of forgetting this.

    • @bungiecrimes7247
      @bungiecrimes7247 3 роки тому +5

      Wut?

  • @Retro_WrathX13B
    @Retro_WrathX13B 6 років тому +342

    My theory to his nightmare form is pretty simple. He was the first cleric beast in life, so he's one in the after life. He's on fire to symbolize how he got in the nightmare to begin with, burning old yharnam to the ground, being marked blood drunk by proxy. I don't have a reason why he drops beast embrace but I don't believe he is the bloodletting beast. It probably would make more sense if he wasn't in the dlc. Why would the game say he was the first cleric beast, but be the bloodletting beast in life, but turn back to a cleric beast in the nightmare

    • @ibn_adham
      @ibn_adham 5 років тому +59

      The bloodletting beast is a form of cleric beast. Any prominent church member who becomes a beast is a cleric beast.
      His form in the nightmare is symbolic. It was not his true form in life. During the bloodletting beast's third phase, its head is removed and a parasite rears its head, which means that the host of the body had already been deceased. Laurence died when the parasite took over and so he took shape in the nightmare.

    • @taistelusammakko5088
      @taistelusammakko5088 4 роки тому +31

      Why would anyone think hes bloodletting beast thats retarted his literal skull is in cathedral ward and its from a cleric beast

    • @monkeyr2910
      @monkeyr2910 4 роки тому +6

      pena No, it isn’t.
      Look at the shape of the skull in the Grand Cathedral and look very hard. It is extremely similar to the Bloodletting Beast, even matching the massive crack on the left side. Also, if you look at the cleric beast’s face in the pre-rendered cinematic on the main menu(it’s the best look you’ll get), It is very, very different from the the skull in the grand cathedral, and how can the skull be visible and at the same time have the cleric beast still standing in the same room.

    • @Crichjo32
      @Crichjo32 3 роки тому +6

      @@monkeyr2910 my theory is Laurence turned into the Blood Letting Beast in reality. But in the dream, where we find him as a cleric beast on fire, that is his own representation of himself within the dream. He is on fire because he is burning for instigating the burning of old Yharnham. And he takes on the look of the cleric beast, because (this is my own theory) he may have had a close friend or a loved one, who turned into a cleric beast. So he takes that form part of his own guilt and horror of his actions and what happened because of it.

    • @soleo2783
      @soleo2783 3 роки тому +2

      @@taistelusammakko5088 Did you even look at the skull before commenting this? The shape of it is legit one of the best arguments IN FAVOR of him being the bloodletting beast.

  • @TalonSky
    @TalonSky 7 років тому +132

    Sudden Star Wars was sudden.

  • @woogoo987
    @woogoo987 7 років тому +223

    Damn bb lore is so cool

    • @-chippedstars-2889
      @-chippedstars-2889 5 років тому +11

      I read that is damn baby, lore is so good...

    • @KaladinVegapunk
      @KaladinVegapunk 4 роки тому +4

      Even now on a recent replay I love diving into it
      Although it must be really tough for other guys like this to even make a dent in the field when VaatiVidya has been the top dude since DS1, and has the ominous epic lore videos down
      There's mitch L who gives a funny goofy comical take on it while explaining lore which goes outside that niche, but as much as I love this dudes video a second British voiced soulsborne lore guy is just like having Bill & Jenny's as an option over Ben & Jerries haha
      I just watch them all to absorb it all

  • @allegiance8243
    @allegiance8243 3 роки тому +120

    11:11
    “The beasts you hunt aren’t beasts... they’re people.”
    “If you’re not with me.. then you’re my enemy.”
    “...Only a vileblood deals in absolutes.. I will do what I must.”

    • @willbridges7132
      @willbridges7132 Рік тому +3

      Idk about you but both executioners and vailbloods are not the best but that sounds like what an executioner would say

  • @oscarofastora7422
    @oscarofastora7422 7 років тому +76

    Laurence is my favorite character in bloodborne, which is why my character is made after him. He was smart, but ambitious which led to him doing anything he could just so he could be as loved and successful as willem. But he went down a more dangerous path which led to him ending up in the hunters nightmare where if he was just more patient... He wouldn't have been suffering for eternity.

  • @gabrielthewanderer
    @gabrielthewanderer 7 років тому +42

    "I used the minutes of black at the end of this video to close my eyes and reflect on the knowledge of the blood I had just learned" -My skull.

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому +11

      That's the correct way to watch the video

    • @KeizerSosebee
      @KeizerSosebee Рік тому +1

      You hqve much insight

    • @avalonjustin
      @avalonjustin 7 місяців тому

      @@KeizerSosebee Grant us eyes.

  • @MrNasexD
    @MrNasexD 7 років тому +34

    10:46 Holy moly man! This part was awesome af!! :)

  • @celinevanruyskensvelde7448
    @celinevanruyskensvelde7448 3 роки тому +9

    I always thought that Byrgenwerth was built on the Pthumerian tombs. In the game there is a hatch inside of the building that reminds me of the chalice dungeon tomb hatches. You can't use it, but it's in the corner when you enter the building on the shortcut side of Byrgenwerth building. Even after 5 years this game give me a headache putting all the pieces together. Well done FromSoft, frenzy meter in my brain going up :D

  • @Xemnas4
    @Xemnas4 7 років тому +201

    Everyone else is all speculating and theorizing about BB, while I'm sitting here going, "Holy shit, he's using Star Wars music! John Williams FTW!!" XD

    • @jackfinnegan2217
      @jackfinnegan2217 6 років тому +3

      Xemnas4 I knew it! At first I thought I was just losing it. Lol

    • @julioacceus253
      @julioacceus253 5 років тому +7

      I'm glad he's using it. Some of John Williams pieces evidently has a mysterious atmosphere that fits bloodborne.

  • @pinchman2946
    @pinchman2946 5 років тому +12

    My only issue with this theory is that Lawrence's skull specifically states he became the first cleric beast, not a bloodletting beast. Though it could be possible that maybe bloodletting beasts are an earlier stage of beast hood like how those smaller beasts in old yarhnam might be a precursor to the larger wolf like beasts.

  • @SEMIA123
    @SEMIA123 7 років тому +22

    The first sarcastic NPC, the male, is drunk. You can hear him doing the drunk hiccup sound right before he laughs. Lady might be drunk too, her laugh sounds more inebriated than anything else to me. Makes sense, I'd probably be drinking during the night of the hunt.

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому +14

      Tipsy T-Rex The question is, are they drinking alcohol... or blood?

    • @SEMIA123
      @SEMIA123 7 років тому +12

      Mitch L Probably a Bloody Mary
      or should I say, Bloody Maria
      (ba-dum-tsh)

  • @imdartson3679
    @imdartson3679 7 років тому +63

    If Laurence irl is the bloodletting beast, then why are there two of them? The theory is easier to buy if the headless version was the only one.

    • @ibn_adham
      @ibn_adham 5 років тому +23

      Look to theory concerning convolution of time in chalice dungeons.
      There are multiple Roms and Ebrietae.

    • @xryeau_1760
      @xryeau_1760 5 років тому +14

      I believe the chalice dungeons exist in a state of stasis, and once someone has visited the place in it's physical form at a certain time; they will be locked within the dungeon regardless of their current position as the place becomes a chalice dungeon. That's how Queen Yharnam is pregnant in the dungeon but has already birthed everywhere else, for example.

    • @o5-council238
      @o5-council238 3 роки тому +3

      @@xryeau_1760 that'd explain the reason why dungeons can be randomised to, wouldn'd it?

    • @absolutelyshmooie7086
      @absolutelyshmooie7086 2 роки тому +1

      He isn’t. There isn’t much evidence for it.

  • @MsGabrielaDrummond
    @MsGabrielaDrummond 7 років тому +33

    Finally one extensive video about Laurence, thank you so very much about your great video, you touched many points I always held about him but haven't seen anyone put together into a video, I just can't wait for more of your content.

  • @T00LATEN0W
    @T00LATEN0W 7 років тому +12

    I really enjoyed this video, thank you for making it. I'm playing through Bloodborne for the first time right now, and everything in the lore made sense to me up until Lawrence's skull and the cutscene of him and Wilhelm. Your video on Cainhurst also really helped me understand that as I was going through it.
    I just got into this series when DS3 came out, and videos like yours and Vaati's convinced me to pick up Bloodborne after I finished my first Souls game. Thank you.

  • @pvrrritv
    @pvrrritv 3 роки тому +6

    Mensis and the Church were most likely rivals, or they even splitted at some point, as you can take the Upper Cathedral Ward key on a Choir's member corpse in one Yahar'gul cell

  • @FencingFox
    @FencingFox 4 роки тому +6

    i like to think that laurences skull in the real world is shaped the way it is due to it being a midtransformation between a human and a cleric beast, and maybe at that stage laurence had very little humanity left but wasnt fully beast-like, which is why brador considers killing him a betrayal. the laurence in the nightmare is a fully realised cleric beast as a representation of who he became and who he was on the inside, and is being eternally punished for his sins as represented by his headache, being on fire and the nails in his body

  • @AMoss248
    @AMoss248 7 років тому +16

    I like the clarification about being alive in a dream and being dead elsewhere, it's incredibly simple but I hadn't given it much thought. We have to touch the corpse of Mensis to enter his nightmare, and Maria tells us that a corpse should be left alone, either in an attempt to protect the hamlet or to warn you from your wanton exploration of dreams. Something that kind of throws things off for me though is that the Chalice dungeons aren't physically entered from what we consider "the waking world". No matter what, even if they are their own separate dreams, they're disjointed from the Hunters Nightmare so I suppose it still makes sense for Laurence to exist in three places simultaneously (skull in cathedral, fire cleric in nightmare, bloodletting beast in the dungeons). I guess I'm just confused as to what the chalice dungeons are or where and when the exist as opposed to Laurences supposed multiple appearances. Anyway great video as always, happy holidays mate.

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому +2

      Thank you, happy holidays to you as well! I think JSF explains that element of Laurence a lot better than I do. I know that Chalice Dungeons can be entered through the dream but I would argue that the Dungeons do physically exist underground *somewhere*.

  • @sebmata135
    @sebmata135 7 років тому +13

    Wow dude amazing video! The editing was great and that section in the middle with your Anakin kills the younglings in Old Yharnam was the best! You're definitely the best Bloodborne youtuber by presentation for sure

  • @carcasssouls9072
    @carcasssouls9072 7 років тому +3

    Thank you Mitch, for this video! your lore videos are so great and in-depth, keep it up :)

  • @ComradeSeanski
    @ComradeSeanski 3 роки тому +4

    nice of you to leave us 7 minutes of silence wo we could ponder Laurence's fate in peace :)

  • @humblehive6502
    @humblehive6502 4 роки тому +7

    Personally from the description of the ailing loran chalice it seemed to be saying that the scourge of beasthood came from the abuse of blood not as a way to solve issues. The tragedy is the people becoming beasts the land was ailing because of their growing dependence

    • @Tengu125
      @Tengu125 Рік тому

      It makes sense, their transformation was the result of basically overdosing on the mutagenic Blood that can completely rid someone of all their ailments in a single dose.
      In Bloodborne, blood contains memories of the person or being from whom it came, and it's possible that it's only at the point where you start to lose yourself in the torrent of foreign memories that you become a true monster.
      Looking at the suspicious beggar though could suggest that it's possible for anyone who's taken enough blood to transform of their own will, and only when you lose yourself and become mad or feral are you irreversibly changed.
      It could even be that it's kind of like a pressure valve; if the pressure keeps rising because you're taking larger and larger doses without winding down between hits, it eventually overwhelms the vessel and it bursts.
      It is part of the key to ascension, but it requires wisdom (Insight), the patience to not be too hasty, and not fear, but rather respect, because if misused it can also be the key to self-destruction, and fear might cause apprehension and subsequently cause the previously mentioned burst, by sealing the valve as the rise in pressure becomes constant and unstoppable.

  • @DaGirlzGoCrazy
    @DaGirlzGoCrazy 7 років тому +1

    Great video as always man, keep it up!

  • @samwheller
    @samwheller 4 роки тому +1

    Brilliant stuff. Really enjoying your channel Sir.

  • @alejandromiranda5908
    @alejandromiranda5908 7 років тому +4

    I just can say bravo for your videos and bravo for your deductions sir! Hope you continue doing such a good research and that you enjoy doing it as much as I like to watch this :)

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому

      as df thank you! I appreciate the feedback.

  • @AIONBERSERKER
    @AIONBERSERKER 7 років тому

    Great work on these vids bro. Thanks for the info!

  • @sekaion5914
    @sekaion5914 7 років тому +4

    Great video ! I personally really dont think that the Bloodletting Beast has anything to do with Laurence, especially if you read the Laurence's Skull description. Plus the form that we take with the rune is just the form of a basic beast in my opinion, just because of a supposed similar apparence doesnt mean its him either. I mean, it could be the Abhorrent Beast too... maybe lol.
    I'll agree with the part that Maria could see herself with the rakuyo tho... and so Laurence would normally be a normal Cleric Beast, but he see's himself in fire in the dream. This looks more right to me.

  • @destruction42k
    @destruction42k 7 років тому +3

    Have a good Christmas Mitch L I have only just found your Lore vids! and let me just say your unique insight is a blessing to this community! Good Hunting±

  • @lilbrother21
    @lilbrother21 6 років тому +5

    I think he's on fire to represent the burning of old yharnam

  • @JuanitoJohnes53
    @JuanitoJohnes53 7 років тому +1

    love your videos man!

  • @adamfishon1
    @adamfishon1 7 років тому +1

    this is awesome! amazing work!

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому

      Adam Fisher glad you enjoyed!

  • @brycecramer9964
    @brycecramer9964 7 років тому +5

    It would be fascinating to see a video on Simon and Brador in the hunters night mare

  • @dravenocklost4253
    @dravenocklost4253 5 років тому

    For that Star Wars bit with Djura, you get a like. Very nice.

  • @natecorsn9097
    @natecorsn9097 6 років тому +9

    I think the trailer might be important. In the trailer, you can see that his supposed skull is in a dungeon, not the cathedral.

  • @arisniro3167
    @arisniro3167 7 років тому +9

    Why do you make such awesome videos and only have 8,000 subscribers!? Great job as always, seriously, you're an awesome Bloodborne lore video maker.
    Oh and Merry Christmas. :)

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому +1

      Aris Niro thanks, you too!

  • @lightningandodinify
    @lightningandodinify 2 роки тому +3

    There seems to be two distinct strains of the old blood and a potential third. Laurence's strain causes lycanthropy while Cainhurst's strain causes vampirism. We can see correspondence of these effects from the blood vials we receive from Adella, Arianna, and Adeline. It makes sense that strains received from Adeline and Adella feature the same improved healing effect in contrast to the stamina improvement by Arianna's blood.
    Under Alfred's account, a Byrgenwerth scholar is responsible for the Vilebloods. This could mean that the Vilebloods possess the original strain from Byrgenwerth. This lines up with the similarities between the Pthumerians and the Vilebloods. Since we only know Laurence to have experimented with the blood, it's thus plausible that he is responsible for inventing the lycanthropy strain. Furthermore, the improved healing ability seems conducive to the goals of his church. The final supporting detail is how Laurence's church was able to produce a substance that is exclusively toxic to Vilebloods. I'm not sure if Laurence himself was responsible for this or whorver commissioned Ludwig was.
    While I think that the vampirism strain is the original one, I think it's possible Cainhurst has also experimented with the blood they took. This would suggest a third origin strain from Byrgenwerth but I don't have any evidence that indicates that Byrgenwerth produces beasts that are neither vampires nor lycanthropes, for that is exactly the kind of evidence we would require to reach this conclusion.
    In conclusion, Laurence is responsible for lycanthropy, and every "beast" is derived from his strain. Byrgenwerth and Cainhurst likely share the same strain that causes vampirism instead. The two strains theory is further supported by the fact that the healing church was able to produce a poison for the Vilebloods that didn't affect Yharnamites.

  • @rileygorman3384
    @rileygorman3384 6 років тому +5

    I've had the theory that Laurence was a much more corrupt person that we first thought. He saw the opportunity to become a renown figure in Yharnam after discovering the blood, but since Willem was not for it, he took it to the School of Mensis where Micolash and his scholars had some sort of ailment (The ashen blood) that could be unleashed onto the people at the prospect of the old blood eradicating the ailment. Now whether Micolash was with that idea, or was possibly blackmailed into surrendering their disease (Mensis being a scientific institution would have been seen as controversial in their secular society) is up for interpretation, but Laurence must have thought he had it all figured out. That is until the true consequence of the blood ministration began to take form.

  • @fripptricky5099
    @fripptricky5099 7 років тому +3

    Mitch, man, I'm really digging the attention to cinematography and editing in this one. Great job, my friend!

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому

      Thank you! Unfortunately I'm annoyed at myself for missing a certain detail of 8 mins of nothing at the end.... :P

    • @fripptricky5099
      @fripptricky5099 7 років тому +1

      I know the feeling. A video I made had the tail end of noise toward the end of the Ludwig boss cutscene where you can hear me gaining insight. I didn't notice this until I published it online . . .

  • @AntAskew
    @AntAskew 6 років тому +1

    New to your channel! Good stuff man :D The Laurence fight is one of the hardest of the souls borne series for me!

  • @GurenPlasma
    @GurenPlasma 7 років тому +1

    Fuck yes! Bloodborne lore vid! Merry Christmas to mah boi Mitch!

  • @johnnyblast2311
    @johnnyblast2311 5 років тому

    These are so well done...

  • @prism2077
    @prism2077 6 років тому

    Great video man

  • @EgoCityGamingUK
    @EgoCityGamingUK 6 років тому +21

    Great video, love hearing about the lore of this game.
    Heads up though if you called something “10 a penny”, in the uk, that means they are cheap and shite.

  • @dakarai47
    @dakarai47 6 років тому +50

    I really dislike Laurence being the bloodletting beast theory this theory was so popular and I always thought it was stupid. I personally think people just dont want to admit they are wrong there is little to absolutely no evidence Laurence is in anyway connected to the bloodletting beast and we see him in the dlc. It's just like when people still try to tell me ludwig is the cleric beast people cant let go of old and outdated theories. Just because we have a headless doesn't mean he is connected to the bloodletting beast they litesrly say he turned into a cleric beast.

    • @Fartlickerfranklin
      @Fartlickerfranklin 5 років тому +3

      They could be referring to the Fiery cleric beast he turns into in the Hunters Nightmare. While the laurence in the real world has become the bloodletting beast, i just dont like the idea of him being controlled by i giant ass parasite

    • @Sparty450
      @Sparty450 5 років тому +22

      The Bloodletting beast is fought before with a head, something alot of people seem to forget. I also don't know how he would make it into a chalice dungeon after becoming a beast, not to mention his skull is very different in shape thab the Bloodletting Beast's head.
      He very much was just another cleric beast, though they could have at least gave him a unique looking cleric beast form like Amelia.

    • @sablemae8853
      @sablemae8853 5 років тому +6

      The chalice dungeons are farther back in time the deeper you go. That's why u fight queen yarhnam still being pregnant with mergo. The only other places we see her are in the lake by room which is like a nightmare pocket alternate plane of existence and in the nightmare menis which is another plane of existence. So with that logic we can think that the bloodletting beast could be Laurence also. He's headless. We know the head by vicar Amelia is his and looks more like the bloodletting beast than the cleric beast. We also know he went to the chalice dungeons looking for mergo to bring back the moon prescense and gerhman. So why can't he be both beasts? Also amygdala and room are found in the chalice's and their nightmare areas also. There's a lore reason for that and not just to fight cool bosses or recycled bosses because they were too lazy to create new bosses. So there's more characters/bosses in multiple places than just Laurence. It's not fool proof but the evidence shows it very well could be. Jsf has shown this evidence and communicates it better than me

    • @osvaldoprado9906
      @osvaldoprado9906 4 роки тому +2

      Laurence is the bloodleting beast, Solaire is the first born son of Gwyn and Shadows die twice is Bloodborne 2 xD

    • @osvaldoprado9906
      @osvaldoprado9906 4 роки тому +1

      @ThatDamnScottishGuy You are terribly...right. :D

  • @BLung-tq2mm
    @BLung-tq2mm 7 років тому

    good to see u back again...my main man Mitch

  • @cissuperdroid
    @cissuperdroid 7 років тому +5

    Djura was once a Hunter, too... Back in Carim when he was MARVELOUS CHESTER!

  • @tol9090
    @tol9090 7 років тому +2

    Fantastic video :)

  • @justinrobert9174
    @justinrobert9174 7 років тому

    Great video!

  • @SugoiDesu1
    @SugoiDesu1 5 років тому +3

    Love the use of Star Wars music! It really works!

  • @TrumpCardMAGA
    @TrumpCardMAGA 6 років тому +11

    I believe Laurence's name is a connection to my ideas of how the beast scourge actually works like a insect colony and the sense of smell. Above all other senses smell is one that is most used and most crucial in insect colonies. Pheromone trails are left by insects like bees and ants to lead others to food, water, or back to the nest. Also in some species it's the pheromone smell that can even do things like change the makeup of some of the hive if it is lacking in specific tasks. If a queen is lost the pheromone smell of healthy active potential mates that are unable to breed that work to unlocking a change in a normal larva into becoming a queen. I believe smell and the hive mentality is a large part of the beast plague in Bloodborne. Many know your a hunter or even that you are an hunter of the dream by calling you "moon scented" like those that share in blood ministration have heightened smell awareness of such things also sharing in a unseen bond like a hive. Also when you take on the thirds of the umbilical cord when the moon presence draws close I believe it's your smell that forced it to recoil and grow aggressive. Plus what keeps the beasts from entering the church (and a hint the beggar was a beast) is the smell of the burning incense that acts like a repellent. Also the way beasts alone seem animalistic and only using instincts, but when you come across beasts that had the insight thus got closer to the cosmos and great ones they seem more intelligent acting more with emotions and less like a rabid dog similar to how one ant isn't capable of much but the colony can accomplish great things. This is my thoughts on it and how Laurence ties in is I believe his name is meant to be a hint of the insect idea and a joke on the lore community how like a insect colony we each don't have much of an idea of what the story the lore is trying to tell us but as a networking community we have came up with many insightful ideas. That's right Laurence is meant to sound like "lore ants" working to piece together the stories told in the Soulsborne series. And yes that's a lot of work to end with a jokey pun but i regret nothing!

  • @silvertemplar8061
    @silvertemplar8061 3 роки тому +1

    Padme’s ruminations, very good choice for music for this video.

  • @YashaFromRussia01
    @YashaFromRussia01 7 років тому

    DAAAAAAMN MITCH BACK AGAIN WITH THEM LORE FANS, SPINNING THOSE MADE STORY JAMS
    seriously this Laurentus revelation is super. i actually neglected Romw in my historical studies as I adored mythology more but I adore THIS connection. also you coming back to use of Soundtracks? amazing. just too bad BB doesnt have a free viewer!
    thank you for your awesome efforts brother, ya biggest dingus of a fan

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому +1

      Iakov Kurekhin BRRRRAP BRRRAP BRRRAP
      thanks for the support my dude, I was pretty amazed by the parallel with Saint L. Revenge of the Sith soundtrack is fucking LIT

  • @zakbloodstone2901
    @zakbloodstone2901 3 роки тому

    I Love That You Used Anakin's Dark Deeds In This!!! Excelente Chose Of Music.

  • @darthnihilus7951
    @darthnihilus7951 4 роки тому +3

    Holy shit the John Williams score goes so well with this

  • @valvenis95
    @valvenis95 4 роки тому +1

    Just wondering are you done making bloodborne lore videos I seriously enjoy your videos about the lore of everything bloodborne has to offer

  • @lancejewkes1666
    @lancejewkes1666 4 роки тому +4

    Putting Anakin’s Dark Deeds in the video is an automatic W

  • @willbessing4846
    @willbessing4846 4 роки тому +2

    I found that theory of what a character may become in the hunter's nightmare is their own visual perspective on themselves a very interesting theory, after all it is in some cases a dream. I understand Laurence and Lady Maria on their visual perspective, but the one that catches my interest is Ludwig. I've seen the Ludwig video and loved it, but was curious about his mental perspective.

    • @diegoarmando7262
      @diegoarmando7262 2 роки тому +1

      Ludwig is ashamed of what he've become, he was put aside etc...So I think it makes sense to him to be represanting in the nightmare as his beastly form, killing everybody who enters his cell, the beast taking over his mind for eternity...
      The Moonsword is the only thing capable of remembering him his glorious past as the holy blade, hero and first hunter of the healing church.
      Maria appears in the state she was during the attack on thé village probably, she feels guilty so it makes sense to find her where she killed herself, with her appearance from that shamefull night.
      Laurence is the more complicated one yes, my theory is that he really was the first Cleric Beast, killed by Brador. ( Maybe that's why he is kept in a cell, he killed the first vicar and knows too much so he remains hidden in the nightmare )
      He appears in fire due to his guilt and failure about the old Yharnam.
      Everything is left to anybody's mind so...I suppose there are many acceptables theories.

    • @willbessing4846
      @willbessing4846 2 роки тому +1

      @@diegoarmando7262 thanks for the info. I was definitely curious on the idea because Ludwig's beastly form is not just interesting, it's unique compared to the others. Design wise the beast forms are 100% abominations, but strangely there's an order to it(although that idea maybe stretching a bit). How ever, Ludwig's beast form is more chaotic than all the others.

    • @diegoarmando7262
      @diegoarmando7262 2 роки тому +1

      @@willbessing4846 Yeah that's true.
      I think this choice of design for Ludwig helps to be empathetic.
      Ludwig the Holy Blade, the hero of the healing church, legendary hunter after Gehrman becoming the most ideous ans chaotic beast encountered in the game.
      Like a symbol of his downfall and his shame ( The fact that he seems to be melted with horses can be a hint at his "heroic holy knight" status in his past. It is ironic and a freaking good choice of design to keeping elements from his former self but this time to show them in a hideous and terryfing way ).
      His body is as chaotic as his mind, we see him first as the ugly beast he looks like and in Phase 2 we see him as the human and hero he was and still is deep inside thanks to his bond with the Moonlight Sword.
      I agree, they worked very well on Ludwig.
      From his design to the music, the voice actor, the boss fight...Just by looking at him you can make deductions, everything have a meaning.
      Ludwig probably is the most human beast we encountered throughout the game, despite his design being an absolute living nightmare. ( in a good way ahah ).

  • @jayknight1099
    @jayknight1099 6 років тому +2

    I think some more evidence to the Chalice dungeons being found physically would be the Tomb Prospector found down there.

  • @icntsywhtiwnt2
    @icntsywhtiwnt2 6 років тому

    I'm loving your videos. Not that it's a competition, but I think your vids are superior to VV.

  • @tylerreid2700
    @tylerreid2700 6 років тому +2

    Also the statue at the top of the alter you get lawrences skull from is headless, pouring what may be blood to the worshippers before... coincidence to our own bloodletting beast?

  • @Hugo_Tate
    @Hugo_Tate 9 місяців тому +1

    last 7 minutes was mind blowing

  • @jamesriccardo7640
    @jamesriccardo7640 7 років тому

    Lovin' the battlefront 2 music Mitch

  • @AudioHalo
    @AudioHalo 7 років тому

    I love the Star Wars KOTOR score playing in the background

  • @Nikiboo32
    @Nikiboo32 7 років тому +2

    the song playing in the back ground i recognize it. good choice

  • @SinthetikLED
    @SinthetikLED 7 років тому +51

    why is there 10 minutes of nothing at the end?

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому +47

      That's my mistake, forgot to shorten Laurence's OST audio track. working 60 hour weeks plus doing YT will do that, unfortunately.

    • @lordgiles1841
      @lordgiles1841 6 років тому +40

      Naaaa, you haven't enough insight to see the truth

    • @draw2death421
      @draw2death421 6 років тому

      Sinthetik its 7 mins

  • @deegee6122
    @deegee6122 7 років тому +11

    nice vid. i just want to comment as to brador being an assassin who took out laurence. in your video, you didn't go over any possible motivations or indeed who may have hired brador/ordered the death of laurence, although it appears you make an allusion to the coup that takes place earlier in the vid. i'm just wishing a more direct and comprehensive discussion of this would have accompanied the piece on brador, and linking to the cult of mensis' infiltration of the choir, the formation of the executioners and their war with the vilebloods of cainhurst, and the destruction of the original workshop and killing of gherman, maria, and their hunters.
    otherwise, a very strong vid

    • @ibn_adham
      @ibn_adham 5 років тому

      Gehrman was never killed before the events of the game, he's in the dream...

    • @Fartlickerfranklin
      @Fartlickerfranklin 5 років тому

      Consilium Pacis “hes in the dream” where else is he in the game?

    • @ibn_adham
      @ibn_adham 5 років тому

      @@Fartlickerfranklin Dee Gee said that Gehrman was killed in the destruction of the original workshop. I said that is not true, because he is alive in the dream

    • @septon4087
      @septon4087 4 роки тому

      @@ibn_adhammicolash is dead but he's alive in the nightmare. It's possible that gherman's body rotted away but he lives in the dream

  • @lastexilegaming
    @lastexilegaming 3 роки тому +1

    Maria had 2 Rakuyos made. She discarded the non blood bloodtinge version, and re took the later as a penance for her sin. Also Good job on the Vid.

  • @liammcvea9859
    @liammcvea9859 6 років тому +4

    i'm still confused about how the Healing Church was truly founded. You say they came to Yharnam with blood. I thought Laurence and his people BUILT Yharnam, their city of blood. Also the fact that Miyazaki himself states, "[Laurence's] skull served as the start of the Healing Church itself."

  • @balaam_7087
    @balaam_7087 6 років тому +18

    15:48 laughed aloud, thought he said “feces” but he said “theses” XD

  • @thegamingpost1794
    @thegamingpost1794 7 років тому +2

    Very detailed and well-thought video, Laurence is definitely one of the more interesting as well as tragic bloodborne characters, though, if you think about it, almost all the characters in bloodborne are tragic in a way :D

  • @calebbridges2597
    @calebbridges2597 6 років тому

    this video is great has anyone ever wondered if notes of the full story of bloodborne and dark souls exist and the developers deliberately conceal them?

  • @big7pointer
    @big7pointer 6 років тому

    Dude, rockin that star wars and star wars game music i see

  • @ianskiver6246
    @ianskiver6246 7 років тому +1

    I agree with the rest that star wars music fit these lore vids very well

  • @shadow85553
    @shadow85553 7 років тому +1

    Can I just point out that the way you made your character look to reflect your interpretation of Laurence looks remarkably like Redgrave. :) I dunno if it was intentional or not but considering he did a lot of theorizing about him back in the day I think that's a neat comparison.

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому +1

      Completely by accident, lol. That's just how I imagined Laurence to look. There's also no too much fan art of Laurence to look at and get inspo from, unfortunately.

  • @sellyaconsole9316
    @sellyaconsole9316 2 роки тому +1

    Shawty freaky as hell talking bout deepest n widest gratitude

  • @tenbuhorin7807
    @tenbuhorin7807 7 років тому +1

    Very interresting theory relating "Laurence, the firts viccar" and "Laurence, the frst deacon of Rome". It seems to make sense!

  • @HeatherHolt
    @HeatherHolt 2 місяці тому

    Holy sht this video is amazing

  • @jonasribeiro2001
    @jonasribeiro2001 7 років тому

    Good Job!

  • @DrShiba-jg1me
    @DrShiba-jg1me 4 роки тому +1

    Damn, that Anakin's Dark Deeds part was so cool

  • @andreaselvarolo8395
    @andreaselvarolo8395 4 роки тому +1

    The 7 last minutes contain lore which we cannot see because we don't have enough insight 😭

  • @edtate7467
    @edtate7467 7 років тому +1

    You can't tell me what to do, I'm watching all 7 mins for upcoming LORE

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому

      Edward Tate there's a hidden message in there, don't fucking miss it

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому

      Edward Tate also I thought you were BANNED

  • @danielwheels9529
    @danielwheels9529 7 років тому +1

    Another great investigation !

  • @ianskiver6246
    @ianskiver6246 5 років тому

    I love the star wars music in the background

  • @partyrock4144
    @partyrock4144 Рік тому +1

    I always assumed Lawrence died in the fire of old yharnim

  • @aureliaromero8383
    @aureliaromero8383 6 років тому +33

    Except the fact it explicitly says on the clothes and about Laurence that it was "a cleric beasts" scalp sooo

    • @johntrains1317
      @johntrains1317 3 роки тому +1

      Your point?

    • @PunkZombie1300
      @PunkZombie1300 3 роки тому

      3 years late but someone else replied 6 months ago so fuck it why not. A "cleric beast" isn't just a type of beast, like they don't all look like The Cleric Beast and Laurence. Ludwig and Vicar Amelia are also cleric beasts; it's just an (exceptionally grotesque, generally) beast that a cleric turned into.

  • @DistantOnion
    @DistantOnion 7 років тому +26

    Why is there 9 minutes of just a black screen at the end of the video?

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому +23

      That's my fuckup. Please forgive meh

    • @CallanElliott
      @CallanElliott 6 років тому +2

      I think it's for dat ad revenue....

    • @PeacefulJoint
      @PeacefulJoint 6 років тому +6

      Angry Irishman There's no ads on the video bruh

    • @JusticeforLiberty
      @JusticeforLiberty 6 років тому

      Angry Irishman how he make revenue with no ads................

  • @owentaylormusic
    @owentaylormusic 4 роки тому

    Anyone else notice Padmes Remunitions playing in the back. (Revenge of the Sith Soundtrack)

  • @LairdWackyla
    @LairdWackyla 4 роки тому +1

    I left this playing in the background while working, and though I was hearing the theme from my computer fans!

  • @Binary7
    @Binary7 7 років тому +1

    I have been thoroughly enjoying your lore videos on both Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne, although I have never played the latter and "only" watched 2 playthroughs of it. I love the many different interpretations and possibilities of events and history in these enormous, meticulously crafted worlds.
    I saw this article linked on twitter several days ago and thought it might interest you and some viewers. It's surprisingly well thought out and insightful for being on Kotaku. www.kotaku.co.uk/2016/12/09/the-artists-and-paintings-that-bleed-through-bloodborne

    • @mitchl6896
      @mitchl6896  7 років тому +1

      I've seen the article, very cool!

  • @31088489
    @31088489 7 років тому

    you are blessed

  • @kingtabiso2012
    @kingtabiso2012 7 років тому +4

    i just realized there's a piece from star wars episode 3

  • @Silentbob1494
    @Silentbob1494 2 роки тому +4

    My dude, the Laurence that was slowly burning to death still cracking jokes. That's pretty badass.

  • @christopherhicklin
    @christopherhicklin 7 років тому +2

    using my understanding of Bloodbornes story, which is limited, I have made a list of who I think are the most important human characters.
    1: Laurence
    2: Master Willem
    3: Carol
    4: Gherman
    5: Ludwig
    6: Lady Maria
    7: Micholash
    This list is not perfect I'd love to see your lists.