Mine is too. This made me ask the what's, the why and the how. When you have children and / or grandchildren ,as I do I become frozen in fear wondering if my family would be able to fool and ultimately find freedom from these monsters, so many of which still walk among us.
I was never kidnapped or anything like that where I had to fight to get away but I was sexually abused as a child by a teacher and I do agree life is not the same and I do wonder if that had never happened to me would I have made the same negative decisions, I was a heroin addict, I have been clean for over ten years now and got a bachelors degree and a job I love (I am a teacher) I do not think I would have used drugs if the abuse had not happened. My abuser went to prison for just over two years from the six he got in court he is out now I rarely if ever think of him!
@@justinporter2117 no just makes you a pure idiot. Running your mouth like that lets everyone know just how many brain cells your missing. Devolution at its finest right here folks.
Having escaped from a man, who caught me and held a knife to my throat, I can relate. He made it clear that he would rape me. Somehow, I managed to clear my terrified mind and saw a way out at the last moment. Police said he had, no doubt, followed me before and had other victims. It is very difficult to recover from such a nightmare and I'm in awe of that brave woman. Trauma can destroy you or inspire you. I choose to make the best of my life. I wish these wonderful women a great life. They deserve that.
I have the same trauma but was told I was going to die He never tried to rape me , but police said he may have done so after I was dead had he succeeded I’m happy you got away as well Stay strong and safe
Elizabeth Grogan Other than similarity of the crimes, do you see similarities in yourself to the qualities she possessed, such as presence of mind, that enabled her to escape? I know you said getting your anxiety under control was essential and I’m wondering what else. Pardon me if I’m coming off as nosy, but why I’m asking is my wife and I are parents of a pre-teen daughter and want to know if there is more we can teach her beyond the basic things we already have.
Pretty sure Samuel Little was my attacker. I was simply using a phone booth in a parking lot to try and get a ride home after a so called friend ditched me to hang out with a guy she met at the Mexican restaurant/club we were at together I ignored my radar when he pulled up telling myself he was going to use the other phone. He then pulled me into his car and drive me to a semi remote place with my face held down into his lap.
What a respectful and rightful way of being with these survivors. Of allowing each to share their story in a caring and gentle environment. Good job Ms Banfield
I lived in Pasadena at the time.... I was 24 years old... We were ALL scared knowing only that he was described as possibly Hispanic... Our neighbourhood was very diverse and many of our friends and neighbors were being treated differently because of the Nightstalkers crime spree... I was so happy for the Hispanic community when They themselves were the ones to capture him and met out a little justice of their own and receive the reward money...
JLM what are some of the things that your mother told you about how creepy it must have been sitting so close to him ? Did she ever say if he made eye contact with her ?
I once heard an expert say, never allow your self to be removed from crime scene one to crime scene two. He maintained that most of us would do anything if approached with a weapon and we would think if we would just comply, we would be let go. He stated that even if you are shot, stabbed or injured your chances of surviving crime scene one were better than when you are taken away, restrained and at crime scene two. I never forgot that advice.
I was caught unawares once, attacked from behind. I remember trying to scream but no sound came out my mouth. I was frozen in shock. Luckily some people came walking our way and he ran off. But If a grown man put a gun to my neck when I was 15, I'm not sure it would have been possible to do anything other than go along with him, purely because he was obviously so much stronger. These psychopaths also have explosive tempers so they're likely to be even more violent and cruel once they have you in their car and under their control. You're kind of doomed either way, but if you remain calm, like Kara did, and the way she thought things through - that he couldn't be vigilant 24/7. In this case, she did the right thing. But imagine if he'd woken up while she was trying to escape? The horror. She was unbelievably brave.
@@ksc743 Never get isolated, always use the three rule. Make sure three people can see you wherever you are. This will more times than not prevent an attack on you because the criminal does not want to lose his freedom and get " three hotties and a cottie" on tax payer dollars. I'm m a man and I live everyday of my life by this rule.
I just do not know what to say words are not enough to express how amazingly brave these women are, Kara just blew me away, what an extraordinarily young women she was and is even more extraordinary now her experience does not seem to have destroyed her on the country she seems as if it made her stronger not many people could take something so negative and turn it into something that helped them be who they are in a beneficial way!
What a strong young lady, at age 15 to think that way & escape from her kidnapper Amazing!!! take care of yourself & stay strong beautiful🙏🙏💕💕All these women & the gentleman are not victims but strong survivors, heroes God bless you all
I remember being a young kid when warnings about the railroad killer were going around. I grew up in Seymour Indiana where both main railroads cross, east to west and north to south. We were terrified he'd come up there. Seymour is only an hour from Louisville Ky and 1.5 hours from Lexington. Thanks to this brave woman he never made it up there. These women are amazing, I cant imagine.
This guy should never have been let into our country in the first place. If we had a decent enforcement in place against illegals, all of those victims would still be alive.
There was a lone woman whose car broke down on a Ca. hwy, leaving her stranded on the side of the road when serial killers Kenneth Bianchi & Angelo Buono (the Hillside Stranglers) just happened to be driving by and pulled over under the guise they were going to assist her when in fact, their intent was to abduct & murder her. She had no idea who they were and while engaging in idle chit-chat w/the two, she mentioned her father's name (who I believe was in law enforcement) and one of the killers just happened to know and liked her father so the killers decided against targeting her. She only learned about her close brush w/death when one of the killers later related their encounter w/the woman to investigators who were able to contact her because the killers had given them her father's name.
All Brave Strong Women that didn't let these tragedies overtake and destroy them. Glad all those murderers are in hell where they belong. Kathy Kleiner was a Sophomore in College in 1978? From one lady to another...You look fantastic!
Awe what a beautiful sweet lady. I really appreciate you sharing . I resonate with your emotions . I hope you continue to heal and share your journey. Be blessed!!!
Please Banfield don't ask a question then try to lead the people you are interviewing to one of your preferred answers. I'm glad that Holly didn't take your "bait". It is good to know that she thought justice was done when the creep who killed her boyfriend and hurt her was arrested and ultimately executed.
Banfields constant and rude interruptions ruined the whole show. She was talking over the guests and forcing them to stop talking. Really not a good host. She took any kind of value away from the guests.
My dad played pool at a bar in west sacraments with the Gallegos…they were a couple who kidnapped girls and a woman in Sacramento California area and took them as sex slaves them murdered them in cold blood ..buried in shallow graves in Tahoe area ..the night my dad played a game of pool w Gerald Gallego he took the bartender who also happened to be a friend of my dads raped and murdered her ..before they were captured my dad was questioned in the case …my dad was a single divorced man who went to that bar often and sometimes walked this woman too her vehicle after her shift ..he left early that night ..he was suspected at first ..it was horrifying.and on top of everything,he lost a friend ….the wife turned evidence on him and she is free today living in Sacramento ..Gerald died before he could be executed from like face cancer or something..he was a monster ..the wife went along w whatever he asked ..she was also pregnant at the time of the murders and the arrest ..yuk..she did some time but not enough if u ask me ..
that case makes my blood boil. The fact that she has the nerve to cry about her son dying but took multiple women from their parents. I still cannot believe how she is free
Could you imagine if he was sentenced to like death or something? Wrongly convicted for something you didn't do. Thats also one of the arguments against the death penalty.
Melinda Hatfield ... is your dad still alive ? Did he ever write this out as a short story ? This would actually make a great book and probably an excellent movie . When your dad was playing pool with them did he ever for a moment get a weird vibe ?
@@gardensofthegods my dad passed in 2001…he never wrote about it but if u read the story’s written about the murders he is mentioned…in one they printed his name “bill cannon”. In one they just described him as an older gentleman who played pool w him at the “sail inn “ ..that’s the bar ..the woman they murdered was the bartender…my father was single and they were friends ..he left early that night …it hunted him because if he had stayed till closing time ,maybe it wouldn’t have happened the way it did …I was curious about it..he told me some things but didn’t really like speaking about it..he said .Gerald Was very arrogant..it’s crazy because we lived right down the road from the mall that him n his wife shopped for the girls ..I used to cut school n go to that mall by myself..but this was before they knew anything about the kidnappings..it was horrific…it’s crazy that I remember this…but yes if someone wanted to write about this case I’d share what I know maybe answer any questions I could ..I only know a small part ..I remember my dads story n the emotions he had …heavy ..thanks for asking your question..I miss my dad 😊
I grew up in Eastern KY-moved away in 1995. I remember getting a call from my Dad, telling me about a hitchhiker he had picked up-something that's not out of the ordinary for him(or me). He told me how he gave the Mexican guy 'a sip of moonshine', & the guy said something about 'tequila'.😁-Anyways, later on, my Dad called me & said "The Mexican guy I picked up & told you about is on t.v.! He was supposed to have killed some people!" ...What's even crazier is the fact that my Dad worked on the Railroad!! He has since retired of course.1🙂
Polarbearsrus ... I know , really , think about how different the outcome could have been if they just quickly went inside and locked up . She was going to say anything to him it should have been " Yeah my friend's parents are home ; but YOU DON'T want to talk to them right now cuz her dad is really in a BAD MOOD about something ... bye " ... and then they should have quickly gone in and locked up .
First one an incredible story. The courage she had to do all that to escape with him right there. She's amazing. So glad the reporter used the word monster to describe the second psychopath. Hate it when the word animal is used
A very small percentage of psychopaths are criminal. Your dissing on human beings when you assume All psychopaths are killers. But then again there are a lot of people who seem kinder to animals than people.
How inspiring after she went through that and instead of turning to self abuse by alcohol or drugs etc as many may do in this circumstance, she took up a worthwhile career helping other victims.
Such amazing people. So thankful they survived and the predators were caught. I came across a bridge with railroad tracks underneath near my house. There was a huge police presence. They were everywhere with lights flashing down under the bridge and around the tracks. Later found they were looking at possible sighting of railroad killer. I was terrified by that. I cannot even imagine how these victims survived and continued on with productive lives.
I wish an author/researcher would interview victims who escaped from a predator to see if there are common traits among them and if their backgrounds contributed to the qualities they possessed that powered the escape. Maybe there are things that parents or individuals could learn from.
@@jenniferallen4420 They certainly have the capability to. There are a few things they deep-dived on beyond the stats, like the research on sexual assault that yielded the information that it’s best to fight rather than to let oneself be taken somewhere and best to fight if an offender tries to tie you up, but I don’t think they’ve done this particular one. I’m not sure what it takes for them to decide to do an in-depth analysis.
I have absolutely no idea how these victims go on to have careers, families and normal, full lives. I wouldn't have judged or blamed them for a moment if they had gone on to ruin their lives further by falling into serious substance abuse. It must be a herculean task to establish a normal life after what they've been through, and it is certainly admirable that they succeeded.
@@JessicaRodriguez-zy5gz Drug addiction following trauma is typically born of someone trying to cope with the psychological & sometimes physical aftermath of trauma. I was abused as a small child & sexually assaulted/trafficked as a teen & I went down that path despite being someone no one thought would ever go down that road. It happens. It's incredibly hard trying to deal with the shame, guilt, pain & general PTSD fraught aftermath. Still survived. 10yrs sober. I went back to college and got my 2nd degree in human services to counsel those suffering from addiction. Not all believe this, but I do - Things often happen for us, not to us; there's meaning to be had & understanding to be gained from it (still sucks but it's very much a matter of perspective, not immediately but eventually).
Who are these defense attorneys? Can't imagine defending someone like that. Can't imagine what it takes to survive that and then have to testify!! Brave beyond words!
Why does Banfield talk all over the experts and keep interrupting them? What's the point of inviting them on the show? She may as well just present the show all on her own. It's very irritating.
Part of it is probably her trying to 1. Get certain scripted points out she was supposed to cover and 2. Guests sometimes talk too long for the show's time format.
That's why I say trust no male, ever. We as women have no idea what is in their sick minds. So many, especially nowadays with these incels, have so much hatred toward women they don't even know!!!
Kara had the benefit of feeling empowered because it was her first run-in with male abuse. It doesn’t make her a lifelong authority on the type of prolonged abuse so many others experience. They’re not “allowing someone” to harm them, but they didn’t get relief in time. Male violence or sexual and physical-makes a mark on people who have to survive it for more than one or two days. Still, her story does give insight as to how to survive that one moment. She did a fantastic job. I’m glad her own family wasn’t full of this.
Never ever let them take you. Look them straight in the eye when they try to take you in public and tell them: one of us will die in public and it will not be me. Then smile sinisterly and get away.
That made me laugh. I once had a guy get in my car and refuse to get out saying I was going to take him home and he was going to .... So I drove straight to the police station and jumped out screaming at him to get out of the car and put his hands on the car lol he must've believed I was a officer cos he did it lol I jumped back in and Locked my doors and sped off ! It definitely serves to have some balls in these situations
You have no idea what you would do in that situation. Don't judge women who didn't behave the way you think they should have. Don't blame the victim, victims do the gosh-darn best they can, ok? People like you have no idea.
@@amelieholbrook3001 I totally agree. It's weird , the way you think you'd act in those situations is often not the way you end up acting ! And every situation is different
Not all do. Some, unfortunately, do. I dated one or three of those but to play devils advocate for a moment, often times we see 1st responders who've been on the job for a long time & it changes them; things they see & experience really takes a toll. It's sad all the way around. 😞
“It’s so rare to be a victim of violence in this country” uh, not really. Have you read a history book, watched the news or spoke to your community? Violence is unfortunately, everywhere.
Intuition he was gonna hurt her? I think that was pretty obvious from the second he pulled that gun out. Thank god she got away tho she is very brave! & she seems so strong, like she did not allow this to ruin her or her spirit, God bless her.
This show....! She is interrupting,probably cos they're are given soundbite time to discuss highly emotional traumatic events,where the questions are longer than the answers..irritating as...
The survivors interviewed here are impressive, reflecting the the strength good decent people can embody going on with constructive lives. Where as the serial killers embody evil of the lowest kind possible and are always deserving of the death penalty, preferrably with prompt executions.
Ashleigh is so good at this. Wow. A friend of mine was kidnaped when she was thirteen years old, walking to school. A truck driver stopped his vehicle and grabbed her. She didn't say anything as they drove away, but about a mile up the road she said, "Your mother would be ashamed that you did this." He stopped the truck and let her go. She never told her parents this happened to her. She just returned to school as if nothing was out of order.
My childhood friend was told at knifepoint to get into a car, hers or his. She did. She was clever witted and rather than sitting in fear got out the passenger door and ran.
All of these wonderful women are truly amazing! Am so sorry for what they went through but really happy they turned their horrific experiences into positives. They are so brave and wonderful to help people now. God bless them.
This would have been so much easier to watch if the host would not have so rudely interrupted and even talked over the guests words. Especially when Ted Bundy's victim was trying to extend how sorry she was for the victims families who didn't make it. She wasn't allowed to finish what she wanted to say. The host was even forcing the Doctor to stop talking when he was only answering her question. These survivors deserved to be able to speak without the constant interrupting. It made the show seem so shallow. Won't watch this particular program again.
I don't think she does it to be rude but as the host, as with most other news networks & the like, she has to facilitate the conversation & keep it moving, deal with hard breaks & time constraints.
I like these stories, but I don't like the way she interrupts the people being interviewed mid-sentence. It comes across as rude and disingenuous. Like she's not interested in what they are saying. I know that's not the case, but that's how it comes across. Imo.
These women showed enormous courage, strength, intelligence and the will to live which I give them all respect. I hope they found serenity and peace from long term stress that must follow them from these scumbags who attacked them. God bless them all.
I’m jaded as I’m a true crime junky. I really only trust very few people. This is why. These serial killers look like everyone else. You never know who you’re really dealing with.
Jane Doe ... yes it seems more and more the ones who are serial killers look like normal people ... and that IS creepy . I understand why you feel that way .
So crazy! ...These stories and that moment that keeps them alive. To be able to live through these...wow! How horrible it must be to be one of these killers. Must be a really traumatizing war within each of them...fighting against themselves. Fuuuuuyghk!!!
I any case ,never completely comply with your aggressor..weapon or not..wait for the split second to fight back ,do not let yourself or friend tied up or taken in a vehicle...if you're going to die ,it might as well while fighting your attacker ,to the death if needed.....he could have a gun but no bullets and a knife can be fought off....get pissed-off ,yell and fight back like a lion and run....!!!!
Would you be surprised he was a serial killer? Considering his background? What? Many serial killers are charming, high functioning, contributing members to society. That’s why they are so scary!!!
Why interrupt Kathy? I was far more interested in hearing from her. Her narration was far more important than the question you asked her. Love to Kathy 💕
Not only a brave young woman but very articulate she remembered details that police needed to no that he was the rapist .....she won't allow that experience to control her life but to teach others what to do in case someone approaches a child....I am so happy she is an officer and can serve her community with compassion n understanding I bet she is just a great person as well!!! 2nd girl equally brave idk what I would do if I was her to watch her bf getting killed and k am glad he got executed.....Holly I hope you are doing very well and enjoy life!!
Ashleigh, I've only been watching your show regularly since the Moscow, Idaho murders, and you appear far more relaxed in this interview, a year ago. Did NewsNation change the format so that you have to rush through interviews now?
I survived a violent sexual predator. He beat me unconscious and took to a remote canyon ,…it went on and on,… i told sheriff in Sonoma county and they said they will not prosecute. It really made me feel bad. He has new victims..😢😭🥺😭way to go D.A.
These victims can tell their own stories without Ashley asking uncomfortable questions. Let the victims tell their individual survival experiences in their own way. Ashley interrupted the victims several times and asked each one weird sicko questions. (For whatever reason the last victims questions were especially disturbing ) Examples = "What happened to you first and then too her"? "Can you walk me through what that man did"? 😳😱
Kara Robinson Chamberlain I'm trying to think what I would've done in your situation age 15. I applaud your intelligence and bravery. I can see by his photo how normal he looks, which is so crazy and scary. I'm so so glad you got away. Wishing you all that's good and kind going forward. Katherine.
Women need to know & plan ahead if ever kidnapped...if kidnaper has a gun... let them shoot you! Do not get in the auto with them as u have a better chance of survival if they shoot u where they kidnap you.
15 yrs old?! What a brave young lady.
Damn she used her teeth to unscrew the handcuffs 😬 someone out there super proud of their badass daughter fr fr
When she said she used her teeth I just couldn't conceive of it.
My heart was racing while thinking that 15yr old girl trying to leave a bed that her captor is lying in, knowing any moment he could wake up.
Right? I'm amazed by her strength and cleverness!!
There should be statues of her!
Mine is too. This made me ask the what's, the why and the how. When you have children and / or grandchildren ,as I do I become frozen in fear wondering if my family would be able to fool and ultimately find freedom from these monsters, so many of which still walk among us.
I survived one as well. Fought for my life and got away. Your life is never the same
Was it michael myers🤣
I was never kidnapped or anything like that where I had to fight to get away but I was sexually abused as a child by a teacher and I do agree life is not the same and I do wonder if that had never happened to me would I have made the same negative decisions, I was a heroin addict, I have been clean for over ten years now and got a bachelors degree and a job I love (I am a teacher) I do not think I would have used drugs if the abuse had not happened. My abuser went to prison for just over two years from the six he got in court he is out now I rarely if ever think of him!
Never
@@AspectStudio I make fun of all kinds of victims🤣 I guess I'm pure evil. When someone cries I dont reciprocate emotions, I smirk and laugh.
@@justinporter2117 no just makes you a pure idiot. Running your mouth like that lets everyone know just how many brain cells your missing. Devolution at its finest right here folks.
Having escaped from a man, who caught me and held a knife to my throat, I can relate. He made it clear that he would rape me. Somehow, I managed to clear my terrified mind and saw a way out at the last moment. Police said he had, no doubt, followed me before and had other victims. It is very difficult to recover from such a nightmare and I'm in awe of that brave woman. Trauma can destroy you or inspire you. I choose to make the best of my life. I wish these wonderful women a great life. They deserve that.
I have the same trauma but was told I was going to die He never tried to rape me , but police said he may have done so after I was dead had he succeeded
I’m happy you got away as well
Stay strong and safe
@@theeprincess777 Bless you sister!
Glad you are both alive and wish you much happiness!
Elizabeth Grogan Other than similarity of the crimes, do you see similarities in yourself to the qualities she possessed, such as presence of mind, that enabled her to escape? I know you said getting your anxiety under control was essential and I’m wondering what else. Pardon me if I’m coming off as nosy, but why I’m asking is my wife and I are parents of a pre-teen daughter and want to know if there is more we can teach her beyond the basic things we already have.
Pretty sure Samuel Little was my attacker. I was simply using a phone booth in a parking lot to try and get a ride home after a so called friend ditched me to hang out with a guy she met at the Mexican restaurant/club we were at together I ignored my radar when he pulled up telling myself he was going to use the other phone. He then pulled me into his car and drive me to a semi remote place with my face held down into his lap.
So don't accept something a stranger is handing to you, especially when alone and there is no one else around. These survivors are amazing. So brave!
I love the way the police brought the fifteen year old survivor into their world and became like a family to her.
What a respectful and rightful way of being with these survivors. Of allowing each to share their story in a caring and gentle environment. Good job Ms Banfield
My mom was the court reporter for the Richard Ramirez case.
Omg I bet she had some stories!
That must have been traumatising
I lived in Pasadena at the time.... I was 24 years old... We were ALL scared knowing only that he was described as possibly Hispanic... Our neighbourhood was very diverse and many of our friends and neighbors were being treated differently because of the Nightstalkers crime spree... I was so happy for the Hispanic community when They themselves were the ones to capture him and met out a little justice of their own and receive the reward money...
JLM what are some of the things that your mother told you about how creepy it must have been sitting so close to him ?
Did she ever say if he made eye contact with her ?
I once heard an expert say, never allow your self to be removed from crime scene one to crime scene two. He maintained that most of us would do anything if approached with a weapon and we would think if we would just comply, we would be let go. He stated that even if you are shot, stabbed or injured your chances of surviving crime scene one were better than when you are taken away, restrained and at crime scene two. I never forgot that advice.
Maria Ferraras , yes we were always taught that in my household .
Truth. 100%.
I agree, the South Carolina woman lucked out. I'm glad she did.
I was caught unawares once, attacked from behind. I remember trying to scream but no sound came out my mouth. I was frozen in shock. Luckily some people came walking our way and he ran off. But If a grown man put a gun to my neck when I was 15, I'm not sure it would have been possible to do anything other than go along with him, purely because he was obviously so much stronger. These psychopaths also have explosive tempers so they're likely to be even more violent and cruel once they have you in their car and under their control. You're kind of doomed either way, but if you remain calm, like Kara did, and the way she thought things through - that he couldn't be vigilant 24/7. In this case, she did the right thing. But imagine if he'd woken up while she was trying to escape? The horror. She was unbelievably brave.
@@ksc743 Never get isolated, always use the three rule. Make sure three people can see you wherever you are. This will more times than not prevent an attack on you because the criminal does not want to lose his freedom and get " three hotties and a cottie" on tax payer dollars. I'm m a man and I live everyday of my life by this rule.
Kara is an amazing young woman. I’m so glad she survived and went on to help others. Well done to these brave women. X
I have to say Kara has such a beautiful light about her. She did not let him ruine her. What a strong woman.
I was thinking the samething, she's a very strong women!!
@@lydiadenny6820 - such a strong WOMAN.
Yes absolutely... 💙💙💙
I agree
God bless these women for being so strong! 🙏🙏🙏💕❤💕
I just do not know what to say words are not enough to express how amazingly brave these women are, Kara just blew me away, what an extraordinarily young women she was and is even more extraordinary now her experience does not seem to have destroyed her on the country she seems as if it made her stronger not many people could take something so negative and turn it into something that helped them be who they are in a beneficial way!
Humbled by these Women ……Heroines. 🙏🏽
And the man. Hero.
What a strong young lady, at age 15 to think that way & escape from her kidnapper Amazing!!! take care of yourself & stay strong beautiful🙏🙏💕💕All these women & the gentleman are not victims but strong survivors, heroes God bless you all
Totally agree with you....
What a lovely approach and complete respect for those ladies.
Really genuine.
I remember being a young kid when warnings about the railroad killer were going around. I grew up in Seymour Indiana where both main railroads cross, east to west and north to south. We were terrified he'd come up there. Seymour is only an hour from Louisville Ky and 1.5 hours from Lexington. Thanks to this brave woman he never made it up there.
These women are amazing, I cant imagine.
This guy should never have been let into our country in the first place. If we had a decent enforcement in place against illegals, all of those victims would still be alive.
@@amelieholbrook3001EXACTLY 💯
@@amelieholbrook3001 Thank you for noting that! I agree 100%.
@@amelieholbrook3001 absolutely.
There was a lone woman whose car broke down on a Ca. hwy, leaving her stranded on the side of the road when serial killers Kenneth Bianchi & Angelo Buono (the Hillside Stranglers) just happened to be driving by and pulled over under the guise they were going to assist her when in fact, their intent was to abduct & murder her.
She had no idea who they were and while engaging in idle chit-chat w/the two, she mentioned her father's name (who I believe was in law enforcement) and one of the killers just happened to know and liked her father so the killers decided against targeting her.
She only learned about her close brush w/death when one of the killers later related their encounter w/the woman to investigators who were able to contact her because the killers had given them her father's name.
She saved so many lives by saving her own. Wow
All Brave Strong Women that didn't let these tragedies overtake and destroy them. Glad all those murderers are in hell where they belong.
Kathy Kleiner was a Sophomore in College in 1978? From one lady to another...You look fantastic!
Awe what a beautiful sweet lady. I really appreciate you sharing . I resonate with your emotions . I hope you continue to heal and share your journey. Be blessed!!!
Please Banfield don't ask a question then try to lead the people you are interviewing to one of your preferred answers. I'm glad that Holly didn't take your "bait". It is good to know that she thought justice was done when the creep who killed her boyfriend and hurt her was arrested and ultimately executed.
AGREED.
Banfields constant and rude interruptions ruined the whole show. She was talking over the guests and forcing them to stop talking. Really not a good host. She took any kind of value away from the guests.
I had to fast forward her….
My dad played pool at a bar in west sacraments with the Gallegos…they were a couple who kidnapped girls and a woman in Sacramento California area and took them as sex slaves them murdered them in cold blood ..buried in shallow graves in Tahoe area ..the night my dad played a game of pool w Gerald Gallego he took the bartender who also happened to be a friend of my dads raped and murdered her ..before they were captured my dad was questioned in the case …my dad was a single divorced man who went to that bar often and sometimes walked this woman too her vehicle after her shift ..he left early that night ..he was suspected at first ..it was horrifying.and on top of everything,he lost a friend ….the wife turned evidence on him and she is free today living in Sacramento ..Gerald died before he could be executed from like face cancer or something..he was a monster ..the wife went along w whatever he asked ..she was also pregnant at the time of the murders and the arrest ..yuk..she did some time but not enough if u ask me ..
that case makes my blood boil. The fact that she has the nerve to cry about her son dying but took multiple women from their parents. I still cannot believe how she is free
Yes, I totally get it. The most frightening part of it is that they can act normal and completely put a person at ease.
Could you imagine if he was sentenced to like death or something? Wrongly convicted for something you didn't do. Thats also one of the arguments against the death penalty.
Melinda Hatfield ... is your dad still alive ?
Did he ever write this out as a short story ?
This would actually make a great book and probably an excellent movie .
When your dad was playing pool with them did he ever for a moment get a weird vibe ?
@@gardensofthegods my dad passed in 2001…he never wrote about it but if u read the story’s written about the murders he is mentioned…in one they printed his name “bill cannon”. In one they just described him as an older gentleman who played pool w him at the “sail inn “ ..that’s the bar ..the woman they murdered was the bartender…my father was single and they were friends ..he left early that night …it hunted him because if he had stayed till closing time ,maybe it wouldn’t have happened the way it did …I was curious about it..he told me some things but didn’t really like speaking about it..he said .Gerald Was very arrogant..it’s crazy because we lived right down the road from the mall that him n his wife shopped for the girls ..I used to cut school n go to that mall by myself..but this was before they knew anything about the kidnappings..it was horrific…it’s crazy that I remember this…but yes if someone wanted to write about this case I’d share what I know maybe answer any questions I could ..I only know a small part ..I remember my dads story n the emotions he had …heavy ..thanks for asking your question..I miss my dad 😊
I grew up in Eastern KY-moved away in 1995. I remember getting a call from my Dad, telling me about a hitchhiker he had picked up-something that's not out of the ordinary for him(or me). He told me how he gave the Mexican guy 'a sip of moonshine', & the guy said something about 'tequila'.😁-Anyways, later on, my Dad called me & said "The Mexican guy I picked up & told you about is on t.v.! He was supposed to have killed some people!" ...What's even crazier is the fact that my Dad worked on the Railroad!! He has since retired of course.1🙂
Wow, brave young women! But, wondering why nobody ever told them not to tell strangers your parents aren't home?
Polarbearsrus ... I know , really , think about how different the outcome could have been if they just quickly went inside and locked up .
She was going to say anything to him it should have been " Yeah my friend's parents are home ; but YOU DON'T want to talk to them right now cuz her dad is really in a BAD MOOD about something ... bye " ... and then they should have quickly gone in and locked up .
First one an incredible story. The courage she had to do all that to escape with him right there. She's amazing. So glad the reporter used the word monster to describe the second psychopath. Hate it when the word animal is used
A very small percentage of psychopaths are criminal. Your dissing on human beings when you assume All psychopaths are killers. But then again there are a lot of people who seem kinder to animals than people.
How inspiring after she went through that and instead of turning to self abuse by alcohol or drugs etc as many may do in this circumstance, she took up a worthwhile career helping other victims.
Such amazing people. So thankful they survived and the predators were caught. I came across a bridge with railroad tracks underneath near my house. There was a huge police presence. They were everywhere with lights flashing down under the bridge and around the tracks. Later found they were looking at possible sighting of railroad killer. I was terrified by that. I cannot even imagine how these victims survived and continued on with productive lives.
I wish an author/researcher would interview victims who escaped from a predator to see if there are common traits among them and if their backgrounds contributed to the qualities they possessed that powered the escape. Maybe there are things that parents or individuals could learn from.
Luck and intelligence have to be part of the scenario.
Im pretty sure thats what the FBI does. Or some other Governmental agency office that records statistics and such..
@@jenniferallen4420 They certainly have the capability to. There are a few things they deep-dived on beyond the stats, like the research on sexual assault that yielded the information that it’s best to fight rather than to let oneself be taken somewhere and best to fight if an offender tries to tie you up, but I don’t think they’ve done this particular one. I’m not sure what it takes for them to decide to do an in-depth analysis.
I'm so sorry this happened to this woman. She is incredibly brave. I hope she lives her best life.
I have absolutely no idea how these victims go on to have careers, families and normal, full lives. I wouldn't have judged or blamed them for a moment if they had gone on to ruin their lives further by falling into serious substance abuse. It must be a herculean task to establish a normal life after what they've been through, and it is certainly admirable that they succeeded.
I think becoming a drug addict is an excuse after something like this. When you survive, you SURVIVE, you are a survivor.
@@JessicaRodriguez-zy5gz Drug addiction following trauma is typically born of someone trying to cope with the psychological & sometimes physical aftermath of trauma.
I was abused as a small child & sexually assaulted/trafficked as a teen & I went down that path despite being someone no one thought would ever go down that road. It happens. It's incredibly hard trying to deal with the shame, guilt, pain & general PTSD fraught aftermath.
Still survived. 10yrs sober. I went back to college and got my 2nd degree in human services to counsel those suffering from addiction.
Not all believe this, but I do - Things often happen for us, not to us; there's meaning to be had & understanding to be gained from it (still sucks but it's very much a matter of perspective, not immediately but eventually).
Victim mode or survivor mode, I suppose that makes the difference
Maybe she had good supportive parents
Who are these defense attorneys? Can't imagine defending someone like that. Can't imagine what it takes to survive that and then have to testify!! Brave beyond words!
Why does Banfield talk all over the experts and keep interrupting them? What's the point of inviting them on the show? She may as well just present the show all on her own. It's very irritating.
I can't stand her attitude why she was not kept in live pd show. Too many personality complaints. She insensitive and callous
Part of it is probably her trying to 1. Get certain scripted points out she was supposed to cover and 2. Guests sometimes talk too long for the show's time format.
This is such an inspiring story. It’s incredible that at 15 she was able to keep her wits about her.
Such a remarkable young woman. She came out a champion!
And to think Kara received a ton of backlash over her incident… many ppl were saying she deserved her terror and asked for it/liked it. So gross
What? Why?
Your remarkable escape probably saved other targets.
Why do so many men have the kind of rage needed to do this? Why don't women, as a rule, do this?
That's why I say trust no male, ever. We as women have no idea what is in their sick minds. So many, especially nowadays with these incels, have so much hatred toward women they don't even know!!!
Kara had the benefit of feeling empowered because it was her first run-in with male abuse. It doesn’t make her a lifelong authority on the type of prolonged abuse so many others experience. They’re not “allowing someone” to harm them, but they didn’t get relief in time. Male violence or sexual and physical-makes a mark on people who have to survive it for more than one or two days. Still, her story does give insight as to how to survive that one moment. She did a fantastic job. I’m glad her own family wasn’t full of this.
I don’t know what happened but I’m happy I found you finally ! Didn’t know where you went
huh????????
@@Katiekay. Ms Banfield. Used to watch her on court tv then she vanished
Never ever let them take you. Look them straight in the eye when they try to take you in public and tell them: one of us will die in public and it will not be me. Then smile sinisterly and get away.
That made me laugh. I once had a guy get in my car and refuse to get out saying I was going to take him home and he was going to .... So I drove straight to the police station and jumped out screaming at him to get out of the car and put his hands on the car lol he must've believed I was a officer cos he did it lol I jumped back in and Locked my doors and sped off ! It definitely serves to have some balls in these situations
Easy to tell!.
You have no idea what you would do in that situation. Don't judge women who didn't behave the way you think they should have. Don't blame the victim, victims do the gosh-darn best they can, ok? People like you have no idea.
@@amelieholbrook3001 I totally agree. It's weird , the way you think you'd act in those situations is often not the way you end up acting ! And every situation is different
NEVER let them take you to a secondary location!!!!
The railroad killer was killed, but for every killed, KILLED, there are 10 more out here killing more ppl :(
I can’t believe that I just found this channel. I’ve been watching A Banfield forever!
I wish the presenter wouldnt interrupt and talk over one of the guests, its not about you- let these people talk
Agree but they only have so much time for the show and she’s got to fit her certain questions in to also include the doctor :\
Never forget where you came from. You are a victims advocate. Officers forget and become high horse attitude.
Not all do. Some, unfortunately, do. I dated one or three of those but to play devils advocate for a moment, often times we see 1st responders who've been on the job for a long time & it changes them; things they see & experience really takes a toll. It's sad all the way around. 😞
You are angels in training 💓! Is the dog okay?
So brave, I pray for her!
“It’s so rare to be a victim of violence in this country” uh, not really. Have you read a history book, watched the news or spoke to your community? Violence is unfortunately, everywhere.
The one that got away has stopped many serial killers/rapist.
You know what is abhorrent. The woman have to fight these demon's in cort.
I avoided a serial rapist who went on to murder someone.
Intuition he was gonna hurt her? I think that was pretty obvious from the second he pulled that gun out. Thank god she got away tho she is very brave! & she seems so strong, like she did not allow this to ruin her or her spirit, God bless her.
Yet he may have tried to convince her he was going to ley her go.....as many of them do but this girl knew differently.
Makes me think that perhaps demonic posession is real.
This show....! She is interrupting,probably cos they're are given soundbite time to discuss highly emotional traumatic events,where the questions are longer than the answers..irritating as...
I AGREE!!
The survivors interviewed here are impressive, reflecting the the strength good decent people can embody going on with constructive lives. Where as the serial killers embody evil of the lowest kind possible and are always deserving of the death penalty, preferrably with prompt executions.
Ashleigh is so good at this. Wow. A friend of mine was kidnaped when she was thirteen years old, walking to school. A truck driver stopped his vehicle and grabbed her. She didn't say anything as they drove away, but about a mile up the road she said, "Your mother would be ashamed that you did this." He stopped the truck and let her go. She never told her parents this happened to her. She just returned to school as if nothing was out of order.
Listening all this survivors stories ,my Blood pressure went high...
I'm so sorry for them and happy they could survive.
My childhood friend was told at knifepoint to get into a car, hers or his. She did. She was clever witted and rather than sitting in fear got out the passenger door and ran.
All of these wonderful women are truly amazing! Am so sorry for what they went through but really happy they turned their horrific experiences into positives. They are so brave and wonderful to help people now. God bless them.
I lived at home in 97 just an hour from Lexington. I don’t even remember this story!
This would have been so much easier to watch if the host would not have so rudely interrupted and even talked over the guests words. Especially when Ted Bundy's victim was trying to extend how sorry she was for the victims families who didn't make it. She wasn't allowed to finish what she wanted to say. The host was even forcing the Doctor to stop talking when he was only answering her question. These survivors deserved to be able to speak without the constant interrupting. It made the show seem so shallow. Won't watch this particular program again.
I don't think she does it to be rude but as the host, as with most other news networks & the like, she has to facilitate the conversation & keep it moving, deal with hard breaks & time constraints.
@@IllumiNauti No. That's not good enough. If she can't facilitate the show without this kind of unprofessionalism, then she shouldn't be doing it.
She a true hero ❤ and now dedicated to helping others! 💞💪
What an amazing woman. I'm so grateful she survived.
I like these stories, but I don't like the way she interrupts the people being interviewed mid-sentence. It comes across as rude and disingenuous. Like she's not interested in what they are saying. I know that's not the case, but that's how it comes across. Imo.
Your full of it
Such terror of this poor girl trying to escape ,,,,Chilling 😢 Glad he didn't wake up what a creep and he was married too.
These women are amazing. Sending my love to them.
Ladies should all get trained and conceal carry.
Many states only allow criminals to have guns....Maryland....NY included
THESE LADIES such a strong woman . I'm so sorry for what was happening in the pass .
These women showed enormous courage, strength, intelligence and the will to live which I give them all respect. I hope they found serenity and peace from long term stress that must follow them from these scumbags who attacked them. God bless them all.
I’m jaded as I’m a true crime junky. I really only trust very few people. This is why. These serial killers look like everyone else. You never know who you’re really dealing with.
Jane Doe ... yes it seems more and more the ones who are serial killers look like normal people ... and that IS creepy .
I understand why you feel that way .
Wow. Didn’t realize railroad killer was in the 90’s. They are all such brave survivors.
Holly lives here in my hometown ❤️
So crazy! ...These stories and that moment that keeps them alive. To be able to live through these...wow!
How horrible it must be to be one of these killers. Must be a really traumatizing war within each of them...fighting against themselves. Fuuuuuyghk!!!
Oh wow! The cancer...that’s a pretty strong punishment...again, the war inside, traumatizing for all sides.
Thanks for airing a program like this, we all can't be too careful, especially these days. Thank God these women survived!
Great job/great show Banfield. Thank you.
Being a survivor I just can’t watch this.
This is the only anchor l want to watch.
Do not become a victim....anyone can fight back ,do not let fear take over your mind and body...get really pissed and save your own life.
I any case ,never completely comply with your aggressor..weapon or not..wait for the split second to fight back ,do not let yourself or friend tied up or taken in a vehicle...if you're going to die ,it might as well while fighting your attacker ,to the death if needed.....he could have a gun but no bullets and a knife can be fought off....get pissed-off ,yell and fight back like a lion and run....!!!!
Wow! What a brave young woman. It's sad that he'd got away with so much more, but I'm really happy for Cara.
Would you be surprised he was a serial killer? Considering his background? What? Many serial killers are charming, high functioning, contributing members to society. That’s why they are so scary!!!
Why interrupt Kathy? I was far more interested in hearing from her. Her narration was far more important than the question you asked her. Love to Kathy 💕
I’m a huge fan Ashley, love your new path!!! Keep up the awesome work!!
Not only a brave young woman but very articulate she remembered details that police needed to no that he was the rapist .....she won't allow that experience to control her life but to teach others what to do in case someone approaches a child....I am so happy she is an officer and can serve her community with compassion n understanding I bet she is just a great person as well!!! 2nd girl equally brave idk what I would do if I was her to watch her bf getting killed and k am glad he got executed.....Holly I hope you are doing very well and enjoy life!!
I love Banfield!!! She is a great story teller and keeps you riveted! Keep up the great work!
I disagree.
Nobody can fix that ! I am so sorry that happened to you.God Bless You 🙏
Ashleigh, I've only been watching your show regularly since the Moscow, Idaho murders, and you appear far more relaxed in this interview, a year ago.
Did NewsNation change the format so that you have to rush through interviews now?
Love you Ashley! Love your show.
How terrifying glad these brave ladies and Bill survived and lived to share their story. Wish them all long life and happiness…
Psychopath I know someone like that. It takes years to figure them out and when you do you are shocked.
I survived a violent sexual predator. He beat me unconscious and took to a remote canyon ,…it went on and on,… i told sheriff in Sonoma county and they said they will not prosecute. It really made me feel bad. He has new victims..😢😭🥺😭way to go D.A.
Kara, good for you. I hope you are well and your life is ok after all that.
There was a railroad killer in the 1800s too
These victims can tell their own stories without Ashley asking uncomfortable questions. Let the victims tell their individual survival experiences in their own way.
Ashley interrupted the victims several times and asked each one weird sicko questions.
(For whatever reason the last victims questions were especially disturbing ) Examples =
"What happened to you first and then too her"? "Can you walk me through what that man did"? 😳😱
Oh my! This is a smart sweet gorgeous girl, that took her tragedy to help others. Smart for such a young age.
Kara Robinson Chamberlain I'm trying to think what I would've done in your situation age 15. I applaud your intelligence and bravery. I can see by his photo how normal he looks, which is so crazy and scary. I'm so so glad you got away. Wishing you all that's good and kind going forward. Katherine.
Don't trust any male who approaches you.
I can’t imagine doing what she did at that age! Thanks god she got away!
Good for you talking about this maybe this might help others you were really brave what you did I do the same thing I'm glad you got out safe
Women need to know & plan ahead if ever kidnapped...if kidnaper has a gun... let them shoot you! Do not get in the auto with them as u have a better chance of survival if they shoot u where they kidnap you.