Song of the South - Disneycember
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Originally aired in December 2013. Doug takes a look at Song of the South.
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As a black person myself, I find this quite a really real shame that Disney wouldn’t even make this available to view on their streaming service. I mean with all things considered, the film and especially that famous song that originated from this is still a part of Disney’s history. And I personally feel like we should be same to see this part of their history in a new light. Especially when we’re pretty much at a time when our society is basically actively trying to make us forget parts of our own history by erasing and destroying it.
Disney is scared of black people or certain groups condemning the movie in case it becomes available. They don’t want to lose subscribers or customers. Remember this is 2022, the world has been taken over by some ideology and cancel culture.
If Whoopi Goldberg wants this movie to be available too, then you know it's important
Very well said.
This takes place during the reconstruction. Not slavery. In fact, Disney got in some hot water for not explicitly starting that they were paid workers, not slaves.
Brandon Roberts facts, logic, and misspellings.
cutta19 and let's be honest, they were probably former slaves who were sharecroppers which wasn't much better either. Not to mention the soon to be decades of intense violence and disenfranchisement
cutta19 I don't care what anyone says, I fucking love brer rabbit.
That's incorrect. People have written reconstruction out of history but it was for a brief time a lot of positive things going on. They DID vote, they DID have land, they DID make money. The first black Senator and first black Representative were elected during Reconstruction in 1870. There were many more black state and local government officials.
Republicans "carpetbaggers" from the north went down south and forced the locals to give the freed slaves land, jobs, opportunities, representation, etc. local Democratic terrorists would routinely assassinate both black and white reconstructionists. The money came from the federal government. Many laws were passed forcing change in the south.
In many ways Reconstruction south just a few years after the civil war looked far more progressive and egalitarian than it did until the 21st century. It was reparations. After about 10 years Republican control dipped in the federal government as the industrial revolution pushed towards unions, progressivism, socialism, etc. , the south was continuously resentful, the costs were high and people wanted to move on. So funding and political support ceased and from the late 1870s on things got much worse.
It is not however unreasonable to think former slaves in the south during reconstruction had a lot to be positive and optimistic about. In a matter of a few years they watched slavery end, and black men hold some of the highest political positions in the nation.
All of this gets ignored or flushed as soon as this movie is brought up.
promontorium because black people were still getting lynched , and hung up until about oh 60 years ago, had no rights, and looked at as second class citizens. We are happy you read a book, but please don't ever tell any black person about the very very very few "positive" things white people did for us immediately after the 400 hundred years, of rape, murder, and countless other atrocities . We're still getting shot down in the streets by police, and battling injustice, and your talking about us being thankful for, and remembering a few people that got jobs after years of slavery!? Really!!
Actually, it takes place in the Reconstruction era, AFTER the abolition of slavery, though I'm not sure how much better that makes it.
artistwithouttalent well seeing as it’s not explained in film what year it is, that incredibly uncomfortable question will be in the back of people’s minds whenever they watch it
it doesn't make it much better. to give you the bottom line, reconstruction was different from slavery because the workers were actually paid. But overall life was not very good and they were still treated poorly in a lot of social situations.
@@demiliomason1565 They were also paid very little, for the work they were doing. So it wasn't really much different than slavery.
It makes it worse because these former slave owners keep treating all these FREE SLAVES as SLAVES. Poor Uncle Remus just saying yes ma'am yes ma'am... All them in rags
@@demiliomason1565 Paid? And they were still wearing old rags, living in huts, yes ma'am this yes ma'am the other and the inside of their homes just a be bed and a chair
Actually, for what I've heard, Walt Disney himself said that this movie takes place sometime AFTER the Civil War, so these African-Americans aren't slaves. However, according to the history books, after slavery was abolished, and they were free to do whatever they want, they had nowhere to go. So most of them returned to where they use to work as slaves, only this time, they were paid.
+Omnicidal Clown Yes, at the beginning of the movie, there is text that tells the audience that this takes place after the civil war (I don't remember the exact words)
O look someone paid attention in school.. O wait never mind google.
+Omnicidal Clown Er, well, aside from the fact that the work they got put into often made them actually gain more debt than they were paid, putting them into an ever-deepening hole. Also sharecropping and whatnot.
I read this vomment hearing Kefka's voice.
+Omnicidal Clown This is so true! I own a copy of the movie and it (In my point of views) has nothing racist. I feel offended that people are being so rude to this movie in fact, this was one of the few movies back then that actually used blacks to play the characters, people were hating on it for that. I think the community should praise this movie, it was the first one to have live action and animation, has some of my favorite songs and it was based off of Walt's favorite childhood stories. Plus, it's not made up, there was a man that called himself Uncle Ramos back in the 1860s and he would read these stories to others! We need to learn to take in the past and embrace it, it's going to be with us forever so we might as well give it the love it needs.
What's sad about James Baskett winning the academy award was that a few months after he had won, he died of heart failure. :/
Also pretty sad was that he couldn't attend to the premiere of the movie he was the star of, because it was held in a racially segregated theatre.
I think it was also an honorary award. I could be wrong though
+Bradley Allgire It was!
Mrs Mojo Risin Blues He was also the voice of Br'er Fox. Great actor.
😑😑😑😑
At least they didnt have a crow character named Jim
+Sarah Nyberg
Weirdly enough, Jim Crow and his crew in Dumbo were pretty much the only sympathetic characters in the entire movie. They made fun of the two main characters, but then felt bad and decided to help them, whereas every other character did nothing but shun them.
+Sarah Nyberg I see you everywhere.
Thanks for introducing me to Sarah nyberg mate
fiercedietyfan great ^^
Wait, I know that's from Dumbo but why is it racist or insensitive? I usually don't notice PC butthurt fuel in movies or anything for that matter
Song of the South is quite an important film, given James Baskett, the actor who played Uncle Remus, won an honorary Oscar for his performance in the film, the first male black American to win an an Oscar (as Hattie McDaniels won the first Oscar by any black person for Best Supporting Actress in Gone With the Wind).
The animated segments of Song of the South are a tour de force for Milt Kahl, one of Walt's Nine Old Men and possibly the most skilled of the crew. The man is most well-known for the signature head waggle/tilt-shake he makes the characters he animates do.
I have strong but very old memories of the animated segments of the film where Br'er Rabbit outwits Br'er Fox by pitting Br'er Bear against him.
I really do wish Disney would just put this film out on DVD and give it a disclaimer explaining that the film is a product of its time and not to be taken as a representation of the company's viewpoint. If Warner Brothers can do this with their old Looney Tunes shorts, I don't see why Disney can't do the same.
Disney even did that with Der Fürher's Face, where they had John Lasseter give a disclaimer at the beginning, so i can't see why Disney wouldn't do that here.
True, but not many people nowadays know it's based on a film that actually exists in the Disney library. There's actually talks that Disney might someday consider retooling the ride, though it's all just speculation at the moment.
Tommy J I think Disney plays up the controversy for their benefit.
JCBro2014 three letters that prevent that from happening BML think about it for a minute
I genuinely think they should make it a Disney video club exclusive with said disclaimer. Not only would it be safer, but by this point I think the only ones interested are hard core Disney fans that would be on said club
I remember singing Zippy-De-Doo-Dah in elementary school music class. I was surprised that it came from this movie that Disney wants to pretend doesn't exist.
You know what hurts me a bit with not being able to have this out, the fact that all these people were not reconized. They worked so hard to make this film and as you said, Uncle Remus is the best part of the movie. James Baskett (the actor who played Remus) died in 1948, two years after Song of the South came out. (Also, he was the first African-American man to receive an Oscar the same year he passed away.) This was his final movie and yet people want to throw it in a vault so it can never be seen again. While their are things that are very touchy to talk about in it, it still is worth showing. Like you said, maybe with a disclaimer, but still, for those who were actually in the movie, I am sure they would want to let it be shown because they worked so hard on it. It's the same for a lot of old movies people don't want out anymore, the Actors still made it, still worked hard for it.
It's probably one of those films that is no where near as bad as people make it out to be
+Ch0plet It's just another movie that makes Reddit explode.
+Vivek Chaudhary I'm just looking at it as someone who has never seen it and has to go off the opinions of others so I don't want to make any judgement until I've seen it myself
+Ch0plet It isn't. Just search for "racist cartoons" or "censored 11" on UA-cam and you'll see REAL racist cartoons that were being made at that time. This doesn't even compare at all in the slightest.
+Ch0plet Honestly, it was a film made in the 40's when racism was still prevalent in society. I understand people now would see it as racist but on the other hand it's a movie, I personally would like to see it since from my understanding it is about the slow moving race relations in the South and if you look at it from a positive light the man who played Uncle Remus won an honorary Oscar (the first one for an African-American male) for his role.
+Ch0plet People make a big deal about having happy "slaves" but seriously what do you expect. Disney wasn't going to be all like "Hey let's make kids watch all these cruel things happen to our slaves." It had to be kid friendly, just remember that. I've seen it MANY times and even when I try, I can't see anything racist about it.
I actually had this on video.
I managed to find a VHS copy at a Savers! I was literally mind-blown at how there was a copy of this movie in good condition! (I said "What?" at least three times!)
could you upload it to youtube?
Same
Dartron me too
In Italy it came out on VHS in the late 80s.
I think the "racism" aspect is more that Disney showed sharecropper life as this idyllic happy land where you work for the "massa" and have a good time singing around the campfire at night. It's post-Civil War relations seen through a major set of rose colored glasses, but that's what Disney was looking for. He liked that happy nostalgia slant in his movies (Look at "So Dear To My Heart" if you can find it) but in this case, it was a sensitive issue that rubbed some people the wrong way. (Kinda like the guy on "Duck Dynasty" saying he couldn't understand what everyone was making a fuss about, HE didn't see any unhappy black people so they must not have existed.)
Interestingly enough, Maurice Rapf's original script would have made more of the Reconstruction period. As it stands, the plantation looks as wealthy as ever and it seems as if nothing has changed at all. In the original script, the family's house and clothing were run-down and the father had left to make more money to pay the former slaves. There was also a line just before Uncle Remus left when he told Sally, "I don't have to take this--I'm a free man!"
@@jenniferschillig3768 Remus was free and free to go wherever thus he was leaving for Atlanta. The dad represents Harris as an adult and he was going back to city about the newspaper because J C Harris wrote his stories in the paper and became famous over them. The boy represents Chandler Harris in his youth because he hung around with the servants and made friends with them more than he other people because he was nearly an orphan. The moral the Tar Baby story (which is my favorite and the Tar Baby is my FAVORITE character ever...) is about holding your temper and not believing half of what you see! My great grandfather had a saying "Don't believe anything your hear and half of what you see" and this came from that era when Harris was alive! (But my ancestor was from Austria and came to the States with only $13 to his name). Gosh I never thought of this until...well NOW. 🤔
And according to a blog from the Wrens Nest website Remus is the 'black' side of the real Harris based from the people he grew up with and loved as well! Yes this is an OLD movie from an OLDER time basically teaching kids morals during a bygone age. And in the end Toby, Johnny, Remus and... the girl (Sally?) are all walking near hand in hand into the sunset walking among cartoon characters. It's DISNEY!!! And I'd think (racially speaking) the AAs wouldn't mind this movie coming out considering a spoiled white kid gets hit by a bull in the movie!
Grillenheimer The little girl’s name is Ginny. Sally was Johnny’s mom.
@@MiorPhoenix Yeah, I think the quote was supposed to be from Uncle Remus to Johnny's mom.
I'm sorry but as a Black person this movie is more boring than offensive to me outside Uncle Remus. I've honestly never met another Black person offended by it, just White people, unless they grew up in that era. Even then it ranks really low on the offensive radar as it just inaccurate and whitewashed not proudly vindictive or mocking like most of that era. The behind the scenes of films rife with causal racism were way more of a concern from my anecdotal evidence.
+The Dynast Queen Walt DID try to get the NAACP to help him with the film, but his calls were ignored. this is was probably around when the NAACP started only being about black people rather than for people of color in general and those not descendant of dutch? nordic? i forget, but the organization was originally created to help as many people as possible including many white peoples. i think he did his best for the time period and for not getting any help. had the NAACP been less bigoted, perhaps we would have gotten a better overall film.
+keiichimorisato98 the NAACP being a bunch of racist shmucks is pretty damn ironic
Xarazel shame really...
+The Dynast Queen it does seem like most of these "offensive" things are white people being offended on behalf of others.
-A mixed race guy
+The Dynast Queen It has been a while since I saw it but I do not remember anything really bad in it, it was portraying a time when we were still in the process of getting the foundations of civil rights established so the race divide would realistically be a bit pronounced. To play it as all nice and cheery with no problems at all would be an insult to those who lived at the time and worked hard to pave the way. I think people are more offended by the memory of the idea of the film and have forgotten most of it or never seen it in the first place.
I noticed how Uncle Remus was interacting with the animated characters. Like Bob Hoskins in Roger Rabbit, most of the time his eyes go to exactly where the characters are and you believe they really could be there! I love things like that.
Doug's point at the end is kinda what I've always thought. They need to release it and do just what Warner Brothers did. Admit that the racial stuff was wrong then and that it's wrong now, but it'd be even more wrong to try and pretend they never did it in the first place. Put a few documentaries on the disc to give the real story of what happened, explain everything, provide context. It'll probably still upset some people but it's better that we know about what happened, why and how it was wrong than for them to just sweep it under the rug and pretend it never existed.
uh...heh heh yeaaaaaaaaaaa....Disney doesn't have the level of comfort in admitting not-so-wholesome past work the way Warner Bros does; Warner Bros has always kinda had a "we don't give a shit" attitude; that has never been Disney, even in the times where things did get a little... "weird".
I wish Disney was able to admit to wrongdoing and realize the importance of making right. It would probably make Disney alot more popular in the long run if they could at least acknowledge it. But as someone else pointed out, they're too scared and too prideful to do the right thing and so we miss out on a relatively nice film like Song of the South.
They have done it with the Walt Disney Treasures DVDs (The Critic mentions the Leonard Maltin intros here.). I don't see why that can't do it with this film.
-S.
@@TheDisney1901 probably because they don’t want to acknowledge it
Years later it’s not acknowledged
My overall opinion: While there are some problematic elements and stereotypes in the movie, there’s nothing that’s overwhelmingly racist
Yeah I know
I agree there's several things that probably wouldn't fly today but they were most likely just products of the time. History is about taking the good with the bad.
I've said before they should make a documentary on the making of this film; it's gotta fascinating history
@@van8ryan it will probably not happen especially with Disney not wanting to acknowledged it
@@van8ryan nothing especially after the 50th anniversary of Disney world 🌎I’m pretty sure it won’t happen
Let’s see Disney try to remake Song of the South.
They can set it in the 21st century or something.
@@cruzloera4931 I almost feel like setting it in the 21st century would be worst than putting it in the Post Civil War South. It'l just end up reminding people how crappy and racially charged the 21st century still is.
If they want to go bankrupt to the point of no return make it as uber woke as humanly possible XD
@@flamingliger5533 like everything else they do now
@@ryangreen6255 I doubt they would look back at this movie
If for whatever reason Disney wanted to remake this movie, while simultaneously scientists invented a cure for death and tested it on James Avery and it miraculously worked with absolutely zero consequences, he would be a good choice for Uncle Remus.
Of course, this is just a hypothetical situation. There's no way Disney would remake Song of the South.
Magikrazy but re-animation of the dead? Completely likely! (this isn't sarcasm)
James Avery actually did voice B’rer Bear for Splash Mountain, so you’re not far off.
Did anybody else notice the music at the beginning of the video is from the movie "Dinosaur"?
Well they're not slaves, they're doing what's called "Sharecropping". You basically are given a portion of the plantation owner's land and are required to work it, however you receive a portion of the profit from what you work, Sad part though is that some plantation owners only gave the Sharecroppers just enough profit so they couldn't advance in life.
+MAXZONE47 That's a fancy name for slavery.
+Pawuichi But they did such schemes to white people as well.
Isn't that just slavery with extra steps?
no, in slavery you don't have that freedom or rights, sharecropping is still a thing in some rural areas of western europe, it is where comunism came from although comunism thinks it can work on a big scale... anyways: sharecropping is not slavery, our system is not slavery and rick and morty failed to see what slavery was. The microverse was actually sort of sharecropping "i made your world and let you do what you want with it, just give me some energy", it is just that rick is a dick and wanted to destroy them
was another time, this system of labor should be the pinnacle of labor rights at the time, remember the alternative was to be treated like a farm animal
The problem, from what I can tell, is that the uncle character is based on an old stereotype that portrayed black folk as docile and happy as slaves. The idea of black people being most joyful in servitude to white folk was an excuse used by plantation owners for keeping them enslaved. It doesn't on the surface appear racist anymore because the stereotype more common nowadays is the post-slavery stereotype of black folk being overly aggressive and violent.
There's nothing inherently damaging about a joyful black character, the uncle is absolutely delightful in this film, but a joyful black slave has a dark history most people don't remember.
shiftychaos so, it's a stereotype now to be nice, happy, and content
+DragonHeartc12 **in servitude.
the problem is that Disney didnt make it very clear other than stating it took place after the civil war, but they weren't technically speaking slaves (anymore at least) and seemingly the plantation theyre working/living on was run by much kinder people than many of what has been depicted of slave owners. they were free and paid employees (probably not a very well paying job of course) but they had no where else they could really go without money or very probable fear of shitty racist people who were elsewhere in the south at the time.
i believe its been stated elsewhere in the comments but supposedly in an earlier draft of the script the Fathers mysterious job that keep him away so much throughout the movie was explained as actually to earn enough money to pay the now freed slaves turned workers.
however the whole setting and plot could have been handled FAR better but being from the 30's or 40s and having the message of dont be a racist shit and be accepting and kind to everyone in a kids movie its like doug says not a bad message.
frankly i never even heard of this movie up until a few years ago when i couldnt figure out where the Aly and AJ song "Zippedee doo dah" from like early 2000s came from and found out about the whole thing then.
Finally! Someone gets it!! It's also relevant today that when we are hurt, we must always be quick to publicly forgive people who hurt us. I can't believe, the "happy slave" is flying over so many people's heads.
Sharecropper, not slave.
2:00 you can skip here if you get kinda bored of Doug saying "live action films, wow!" multiple times during the intro.
Thx
Bless your soul
So true, haha, the same I thought
The whole point of these videos is listening to his personal thoughts on movies. Why would I skip the intro?
@@VicenteTorresAliasVits mostly because he's just repeating himself a bunch of times
Race is your genetics. Culture is how you were raised, your behaviour, and the language you speak.
Sonicgott ; but unfortunately , racists confuse all 3 with each other.
I always say their is only one race and that's the human race. To many use the race card colour as a way to things done, which causes people to be bias
I Saw a video about the Neanderthals and everyone kept referring to anyone non white as a “species” it was the most toxic comments I’ve ever read.
The film isn't even that racist even by cultural standards. People like to say it portrays slaves as happy despite their living conditions but Walk himself said this movie takes place after the Civil War. Even then nothing really racist or mean spirited happens in this film. Its about a kind old black man who sings songs to children. The whole Southern charm of the movie is actually pretty accurate if you grew in the South. The whole setting of South can actually be kind of cozy in its own way
I've never met a black person who was offended by this movie, mostly just scared white people who are afraid that if they ever distribute this movie in any form black people will rise up and riot. If something like Family Guy is allowed to air then this movie should have a blueray release
I haven't seen the film in a few years, but from what I remember, all the scenes that show the African-Americans as being happy, are usually set when they're done working. Even if they ARE meant to be slaves, they're not shown as skipping gaily through the fields while they work; they're all hanging out, enjoying each other's company once their work is over for the day.
MrZurata I mean it's pretty racist also who cares do you think racism just magically stopped after the civil war ended? Slaves returned to the same people with little rights and fucking slaved away to the same owners with barely any fucking money
kj Bro I'm black and have never seen this movie; little kid me came up in the 90's when Disney was on their animated A game. I'm not sure how to feel about this movie though. Is the criticism because they don't show the true struggles of slavery? Do they need to go that far for a movie meant for children? This movie came out in the 30's or 40's, perhaps? I think the racial divides were already very prevalent even to children in those days. If this movie spoke of not being prejudiced and learning to accept others, then it's far ahead of its time since segregation hadn't even ended.
I'm not sure what more is expected to be shown for a movie attempting to tackle a subject we still divide each other over today with a movie aimed at a young audience. Again, I've not seen this movie so that's why I'm curious.
Nicole Lilih what are you specifically offended by?
Yeah, but what exactly is the movie doing to be racist? You said it was, but then all you do is bring up the time period had racial issues, and... yeah that's definitely true, but that's speaking strictly of the setting. So what makes this movie, not the setting, racist?
A beautiful film with an incredibly fascinating history and some surprisingly progressive morals for the 1940s. It's a huge shame Disney decided to bury it instead of letting people watch it and form their own opinions on it. How can we learn and grow as a society if we keep hiding the past from future generations?
Splash Mountain, the last remnant of Song of the South, will soon be gone forever. If you haven't been on it before, I highly recommend making a trip to Disneyland before it closes. It's a magical ride that oozes classic Disney charm. Every Disney fan should experience it at least once.
I have the VHS. Not kidding. I own it.
+TheDigiSeviper pic pls
I can do better than a pic.Stand by for video link.
Will do. The vid shall be up tomorrow. Rendering and whatnot
+TheDigiSeviper Sweet, I have two copies on disk. XD I asked a lot of friends for it for Christmas and I got more than I imagined. Didn't know my friends had that old of movies. (It was copied onto a disk from the vhs.)
+TheDigiSeviper I the VHS tape as well.
I remember singing Zippity-Doo-Da a lot in preschool. It was a long time before realized "This song was from a controversial movie about slaves!"
Isaac Baranoff how do you know? I havent seen this in at least 13 years or so, so i have no idea where they said that
Lol
Sponge Magic Post-slaves.
You can sing it, I sing it, heck my friends don't even know this film
ilopominecrafter do the research it is post civil war america
The controversy mostly centers around the writers' ignorance (or the perceived ignorance) of the slavery era. Kind of a "nice-washing" of a dark chapter in the United States' history.
But it's still nowhere near as bad as Birth of a Nation.
Lmao how
transformersloverjon
1915 or 2016?
The year of the movie makes a huge difference. one only 40 years removed from reconstruction vs one that is 140 makes a big difference
Or triumph of the will lol
Wait what?! So THAT is why I could never find this movie on DVD or even on video? Well then... I'd better just watch this movie online instead. I've never seen it, I only know the memorable song "Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah" since I was a child.
I even sing that song to myself every once in awhile, and I ALWAYS forget its from this movie.
I've never seen the movie; I think I heard the song on Full House (which I hate, but I grew up on it, so some parts are ingrained).
In the UK, they actually sold this on video for a time. My parents bought one. Me and my siblings loved it. I didn’t see race, just a fantastic cast. I loved Uncle Remus. When I got older, I realised the film had some issues, but overall still very positive. Remus was the hero, he did his best to help others, regardless of background. The songs and cartoons were amazing. I still have the video somewhere, but I don’t have a VCR. One day I hope to see the full film again.
I remember that as a little kid I felt obliged to treat anyone not white a lot nicer than usual. I guess that means that it made a good impact on me...
Was it only from this film, though? Personally all the MLK education we got as first graders made me feel like I had to be especially nice to black people. Not any other "minorities," though. Took me until I was in high school to realize just how racist my hometown in the Bay Area really was.
Snowflake Productions Yeah, it was mainly black people, which was good because a lot of the moms and dads of the colored kids really liked me. (lmao) I don't think it was just this, the whole slavery lesson in 4th grade impacted it too, but I kind of gave up on when I realized that some of the black kids were more racist than the white kids.
Ryan Girard no then you're racist to whites
You should be nice to everyone. Treating someone with more respect than another simply due to skin colour is racist, pure and simple.
Ryan Girard lmaooo you gave up being nice to black people?
As I stated before, as a Black male I'm a person without a lack of sense of humor. And I'm glad to own this movie on Blu Ray imported from Japan under public domain. I loved James Baskett as Uncle Remus and little Bobby Driscoll's performance as Johnny were a very nice dual of their roles. The very young Ginny Favers played by the late Luanna Patton was just as darling.
Well, I grew up as a black kid watching this film on VHS and I loved it, especially the animated parts and the songs. I wanted uncle Remus to be my grandfather so bad, I remeber XD But I actually never noticed something racist about it, when I was a kid. Then again, I grew up in Europe, so maybe that's why.
+Jogibear Yeah, I don't think many kids would notice any issue if they hadn't had racial issues thrust upon them so much... I've heard the term "negro" is used at some point... But eh... I think the main problems are that it might trivialise, to some degree, the plight of former slaves (Since it's set after the American civil war and slavery was abolished... Not to say that times weren't still pretty horrific for them... They were just getting paid more and had a bit more freedom... But considering they had none before... Probably wasn't a whole lot).
I dunno, I think that as long as there was maybe a short explanation, at the beginning, about how the film made some mistakes/ took some artistic liberties, I personally don't see the harm in it... But then, I'm white, so maybe my views are a bit skewed on the matter and I'm being too lenient... Plus I've only seen parts of the film myself... I dunno... But yeah, being that it's somewhat racially positive generally, and that films, let alone Disney ones, are often inaccurate anyway... It just happens to be a pretty touchy subject... I kinda wish we could all move on from that stuff, but I don't really blame people, because it was a horrible thing that shouldn't be forgotten either... Ah well...
The Netherlands didn't abolish slavery until 1863, the same year Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation.
Slavery lingered longest in China, until it was finally outlawed in 1910; and in a number of Arab nations formally until the 1950s. It was a huge part of the Ottoman Empire, which would even abduct young males from the Balkans, raise them as Muslims, then train them as special soldiers called Janissaries to fight in Ottoman invasions of Europe.
Slavery was a GLOBAL issue for thousands of years, but only the USA is every taken to task over it. I find this more than a little disingenuous, especially since I know the FULL history of the world.
And as if we needed another reason to hate ISIS, the caliphate had re-instituted slavery in 2014... please tell me again why it took so long for the world to get its head out of its ass and wipe the bastards out?
Every time I go to Disneyland I always wonder what the kids think when they're riding Splash Mountain or seeing the Brer animals walking around. They must ask what movie these characters are from and most family members probably don't lie and tell them it's "just a ride." There has to be some kind of release just because these kids are going to grow up hungry to know about a film that's thoroughly "meh" but made a decent ride and stir up the controversy more. Do they expect people to just forget that it's based on a movie over the years?
Then again, when you overhear a guy telling his girlfriend that Disneyland's castle is "Cinderella's because she's the first Disney princess" you realize how little some people know about Disney.
Off the top of my head, wasn’t hat Snow White?
Yes, Snow White was the first Disney Princess but up until Elsa was made, Cinderella was the oldest and viewed as the "leader."
ANYWAYS, I can tell you from a Disnerd point of view of what some people wonder. Husband's first trip to WDW was our honeymoon and I made a point to ride Splash Mountain and didn't tell him ANYTHING about it. When we got off, he and a few other guests asked about "which movie is this ride from?" or said something along the same lines as "I don't remember this Disney movie/show" and these people were around my age at the time (26 yrs.) I explained to them the show and movie and how it was black listed and they were shocked. Husband then went and watched a bootlegged version online.
I actually never really thought about where the ride came from. I didn't question that ride or the Matterhorn or Space Mountain.
I've adored Splash Mountain for longer than I can remember, but I never had to question what its movie was, because from the very start, my family's Disney's Sing Along Songs VHS tapes had a couple of Song of the South's songs and scenes(Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah and Everybody Has a Laughing Place), and there would be the movie's title listed in plain sight directly under the song's title at the beginning of the song and next to the title on the back of the tape's box. (Come to think of it, those Sing Along Songs introduced child-me to more than a couple Disney films I hadn't really heard of otherwise)
It did take me a while though to learn that despite its being in plain sight on official Disney videos, that the movie itself was kept locked up and only watchable through non-Disney means... But then the whole thing was on UA-cam so it wasn't difficult to find and watch 😂
I do also wonder how today's kids look at the ride and characters, and if they've ever heard the film's name anywhere, or if it's all an unknown to them..
Sinister Sweet When I was in summer school, I found a book that was basically the animated segments of Song of the South. And as a kid who visited Disneyland a bunch, I was like, “oh, a Splash Mountain book!” So when the teacher said we could pick one book to keep, I grabbed that book. I have no idea where it went.
Thank you so much for using music from Disney’s Dinosaur. That’s one of my favorite movies of all time!! 😍 Thank you for bringing light to an underrated gem, as well as warm joy to my abused, cold heart. ❤️
I looked for years to see this, and when I finally found it, I couldn’t see the horrible racism. What I saw was a film that wanted to give a positive message to kids about being with their fellow man, and teach them lessons. I’ve even heard people say Uncle Remus was a terrible racist stereotype, even though he is a kind, wise and understanding character who is really the heart of the movie. I strongly advise you to watch it if you ever can, it is a fun movie that has been defamed by controversy. It’s not as bad as everyone says it is! Any racism the film may have isn’t intentional, and it’s easy to see that while viewing it.
as a black person, it's shocking that other people can't see what's wrong with this movie, Especially 'Uncle Remus'. You need to do some research.
Ah yes, a corrector. Always fun. If I remember my research correctly those who started the controversy hadn’t actually seen the movie, they just drew conclusions first. Hell, James Baskett was the first black man to win an Oscar for his work as Uncle Remus, the Critics demanded it. Sure, I agree that I may not have an all encompassing view, due to my personal experience (it’s impossible for one to have an all encompassing view). James Baskett was nearly universally praised for his role, except for those who didn’t like the movie and claimed Uncle Remus a demeaning stereotype. Look up the origins of the book, specifically it’s author. You too can benefit from research. The movie was heavily based on the stories of the book. My only thing aside from this is, have you seen the movie? If so what in it was wrong to you? Anything you can tell me would be helpful, I’ve never had this opportunity. Thank you, and I hope you have a great day! (I’m not being sarcastic, this is one hundred percent sincere)
Okay, I love this film. I am not blind to its.... unsavory elements, even as a kid I wasn't. However, I still love it despite its controversy. Besides, Uncle Remus was far more likable than either of the parents.
Since Disney is remaking everything under the sun these days, I think they should consider remaking something that could actually benefit from it. Have it be a fully animated film this time around, drop the romanticized live action stuff completely, and get a qualified group of people to work on it and make sure it’s done the right way this time. Alternatively or in addition, you could make a documentary about it that goes through all the insane background in an educational, thought-provoking manner. There’s potential to rectify the mistakes that happened with SotS with acknowledgment that they screwed up instead of just pretend it didn’t exist.
Not that Disney would be interested in doing any of that, obviously not, but if they ever wanted to, they do have the ability to right the wrongs of their past. I don’t see their “sweeping under the rug” approach as a proper atonement on their behalf, because making up for something you’re ashamed of would mean actually addressing it and allowing for productive conversation to take place as opposed to just trying to hide it and hoping people don’t talk about it. Well, that’s not been proven to be a very successful tactic, has it? It’s still a large elephant in the room for Disney, it still gets talked about and people still find ways to watch it even without an official release. That’s why I think they might as well just bite the bullet and release it on Disney+ with a disclaimer. Just get it over with and we can all move past the whole “movie Disney doesn’t want you to see” drama once and for all, although it definitely will always be controversial.
Song of the South is one of my dad's favorite Disney movies. I remember being on a family vacation in Oklahoma City in the 90's and he bought a bootleg copy of the movie from a guy at a gas station. It almost felt like a drug deal going down.
Say what you will about the movie, but it helped create one of the best rides at disneyland.
Disney wants to forget this movie while keeping splash mountain open, because logic
Nikolai the tanker Husky true image what would happen if this movie was leaked
They want people to forget the live-action segments, the animated scenes have been released on video multiple times.
Nikolai the tanker Husky Splash Mountain is the best ride at DisneyWorld. I don't care what you say. Besides the fact, Song of the South is still a good film. I like that I can still be black, and not get offended by someone of my colour for being happy. What I didn't like, is that the actor couldn't get his award because Atlanta was being a bitch about him getting it.
I think we all want to forget the live-action segments; my previous ex used to call it "the torture movie"
and they still market the movie's most famous song "Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah".
By the way, here's an interesting Trivia about Uncle Remus? He was played by James Baskett, who also provided the voice of Br'er Fox. But you know what's really interesting about James Baskett? He was about 42 years old when he played Uncle Remus.
+Omnicidal Clown
If you're hinting at it being strange for him to have grey hair at 42; That's just make-up.
***** Hey, it the same way on how the guy who played Isaac in Children of the Corn was 25 years old when he played him. Plus, I didn't say "Something Strange", I said "An Interesting Trivia".
***** That's true. According to my mother, my grandfather, her father, got gray hair at around 30-ish.
Didn't this movie come out in like 1946? Was it re-released in the 80s?
+McMagic15 I live in the UK and it was shown on TV at some point in the 90s. I might still have it taped somewhere.
+McMagic15 Disney used to routinely rerelease old movies back into the cinema before home video came along
+McMagic15 Yes, in 1986 for the fortieth anniversary. I got to see it in theaters as a child.
+GodOfExploding the last time they did was in 2012 with Lion King, right?
I was fourteen when it was re-released, and my dad and I took the neighbor's little girl to see it. I loved the movie at the time (at that point, I was in my just-discovered-GWTW stage and was tickled to recognize Hattie McDaniel), but the other most memorable thing for me, as a newly-minted Trekkie, was the Star Trek IV preview before it. :-)
They’re not slaves. The film is set in 1870, after they’ve been freed.
Maybe my whiteness is showing, but I don't understand how having a film set in the time of slavery is a bad thing. Maybe it was worse given that, at the time, blacks were still being treated like shit. But it's not like they're portraying the black characters poorly, Uncle Remus is a great guy and he and the white kids just accept each other. Maybe instead of fret over racism, we should focus on the innocent friendship they share in spite of racism.
Sometimes I can't help but feel like a lot people just *want* to be offended.
We're way too sensitive nowadays...
You got that fuckin' right.
I think people see it as showing that "See? Slavery wasn't all that bad!", which would certainly be a concerning issue. It's also worth noting that a lot of people (including Doug) are mistaken: the movie's not actually in the time of slavery, but rather the post-Civil War period. Uncle Remus and everyone else are sharecroppers (though it's quite likely that Remus WAS a slave at some point in his life). So the inadvertent message becomes "See? Sharecropping and segregation weren't all that bad!", which is still not something to be spread all over.
Yea i think it was reconstruction and everyone was starting to get past slavery and whatnot. And honestly i still dont really see the racism, unless maybe minus one or two things the others say that racist means white is boring and the other is not. But idk i think its harmless enough.
Tar baby is a derogatory term for a black person, the cartoon characters have stereotypical black accents, and they sanitized history to turn a profit. That’s what’s bad
If this was remade raise your hands if Morgan Freeman would be Uncle Remus?
hahaha, are you kidding? Morgan Freeman would never agree to be in this movie.
+Amanda Leigh (FantasticLeigh) True but who aside him, Danny Glover or James Earl Jones would be Remus?
+Amanda Leigh (FantasticLeigh) Perhaps if it were a modern-day re-imagining, with Freeman as a grandfather telling the Brer Rabbit stories to his grandchildren. That would be a good way to still tell the Brer Rabbit stories without the racially charged environment. Maybe Freeman's family has a tradition of telling their grandchildren Brer Rabbit stories. It would be cool.
Morgan Freeman I could see that being Uncle Remus, he is definitely a good actor.
I can see it now: Tyler Perry's Song of the South; special effects & script done by George Lucas. Starring Tyler Perry, Kevin Hart, Chris Tucker, Steve Harvey, and some nameless child actors.
I watched this on VHS or TV as a child once in the UK, and remember it being boring until song- or story-time, at which point it was very entertaining and memorable. I was shocked, years later, when an American guild mate asked me if I could get hold of a copy for him and it was like he was asking for something illicit. It is a Disney movie. It handles the situation of slaves with the same tact and authenticity that the working class of Victorian London are depicted in Mary (bloomin') Poppins. If a children's movie was trying to teach that a particular race were basically witless animals, then I could see why you would suppress it. Song of the South does the opposite of this.
I have it on DVD with a great print. I don't remember where I got it, though. What I do remember is that this was my favorite Disney film as a child, and that "Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah" was my favorite song! All I cared about back then were the animated moments, and, of course, James Baskett singing the song. As far as I am concerned, Disney is being way too "PC:" for me, and that an official DVD should be released!
Actually, my grandmother's friend formerly owned a VHS copy of Song of The South. She was a teacher, and also a fellow disnerd, who would occasionally show the movie to her class of young children. She said that the schoolboard actually made her get rid of the remaining copy misplaying, but she snuck it out. I asked if I could actually view the tape, but she had already donated it to her daughter, who was unaware of it's value. I just thought that was interesting.
Well, to be honest, passing a highly-obscure VHS tape to one of your own children is something most parents would do.
Song of the South was released on VHS in Europe but not in America. That's probably where her copy came from.
I have a bootleg VHS seemly ripped from a foreign laserdisc copy
The best part about this movie is that it inspired Splash Mountain at Disneyland.
Oh and the song of course.
I've never seen Gone With The Wind, but doesn't it have an old movie trope of showing slaves more happy with being slaves? That trope that old movies had that would never fly today? If it can go to DVD, than I think this can.
Something like that.
The thing is this film actually takes place during the reconstruction era.
I saw it. The slaves sounded like they were content with their lives. Like Scarlett has a nanny character who's taking her role as a surrogate mother to Scarlett seriously. None of the slaves seem afraid of their white captors, speaking up amongst them. There's no signs that they're unhappy, although they do sing a lot, which I remember as being a way to communicate so the captors wouldn't understand.
They sing quite a lot in this movie, too, but I think that's more to help them feel better, since they're not doing it while working.
The problem is during the Reconstruction life just didn't get all that better for the slaves. Sure, they were free, but war damage made jobs very hard to come by, and with the Emancipation Proclamation basically saying it was all for freeing slaves, this made people start to blame black people for the lack. So, racism grew as whites favored whites for jobs instead of black people - basically punishing them for "causing" the bad economy. So yeah, in a disturbing way it was better for the black population during slavery. And some did stay to work for their former masters (albeit PAID, very importantly) because of genuine friendship that had grown from living together for so long. There's just not as much "good guy/bad guy" reality about the Civil War as they teach you in school.
Eh, singing was mostly their way to keep their culture alive. There certainly may be songs created to "hide" communication, but that's definitely not the core of why they sang. And it wasn't that uncommon to have a slave feel like part of the family. There's actually a recorded fact of a newly freed gardener walking miles back to his former master to tell him the garden hadn't been destroyed by the Union troops. They both kept it up for decades afterward. The garden is a major historical site and has won tons of awards. So yeah, it's not as clear cut as most history books say it is.
I'm black but i dont think it is racist except some things but i mostly like it
I don't undertand the controversy around this film. The racial stereotyping is based on the reality of the time they are portraying and the main black character in it is a really nice, likeable guy. The lesson of the film is against prejudice so what's to hate?
The oblivity to the Rose-colored glasses.
Or perhaps not everyone is desperate to get offended so they can stroke their ego and sit on a high horse. These characters were slaves, of course there is an element of discomfort to it as there should be. But we can't pretend that never happened. There is some stereotyping in this but who hasn't been stereotyped in film and tv at some point? It isn't always hatefully done.
“Desperate?” Thanks for the compliment.
No. You read with the intent to yell, “Gotcha,” not to understand, so thanks for wasting my time. Apologize, and I may come back to have an adult conversation with you, not at you.
I explained my thoughts yet you don't seem to want to understand my opinion either. Instead chosing to get offended and have a strope over it. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean they are just shouting at you or trying to say 'gotcha'?
Well obviously. But that can be applied to a lot of movies. Is war as fun as a lot of action movies make it look? Is crime? Probably the majority of movies take unpleasant things from reality and make it into entertainment. Otherwise we'd have no more horror, action etc movies. Heck even cartoons show a lot of animal abuse. I'm sure cats don't really recover from a whack on the head with a mallet as well as Tom does.
I remember watching this on the Wonderful World of Disney. Back when they had a Disney movie or Disney cartoons every Sunday night. Anyone else remember that? We still have a lot of them on old VHS tapes :)
Do you have this on VHS? If so, I would love to watch it
I loved the Splash Mountain ride when I was eight and still have the on ride photo in my album. And at my step sister's wedding, the priest ended the ceremony by pulling out an acoustic guitar and sang Zipadeedoodah while she and her now husband walked down the aisle!
Who's here after they canceled splash mountain.
I remember seeing this on VHS when i was 5, what a great movie it was. I was able to make a dvd copy with the VHS but its no wheres great as the VHS was a little choppy but better that than nothing. Great movie(mostly for the uncle and cartoon part, was bored with the rest of the film) that should be released on DVD(THERES A DVD WHERE THE KKK ARE THE GOOD GUYS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD).
My family have a VHS copy. We've had it since the 90's, I had no idea it was rare. And I always liked the movie. It was the first children's movie I saw that had a African/American actor playing a lead role in mentoring to a white child. And I liked the interactions between the children, the young boy and his only 'girl'friend. I thought their scenes were really sweet. The fact that first meeting was an exchange of presents a puppy for a crochet collar was really cute.
But the best parts of the movie are the animated scenes. It's perfect escapism.
When I was younger, I used to watch this vhs tape that had songs from various Disney movies. This movie's song was one of them. It was one of my favorites. I knew little about Brer Rabbit; all i knew was that he appeared in some old Disney movie. So I searched for Song of the South on vhs. Never found it. It actually broke my heart that a Disney character and a Disney song that I just learned about and made my favorite never came to vhs. They should release it.
no offence but do your research before you make a video, this movie takes place after the slaves have been set free, uncle remus isnt a slave in the movie he just lives on the plantation, at one point in the movie he gets up and leaves the plantation only to come back to cheer the boy up after he leaves, uncle remus is a free man and so is everyone in this movie, james basket was the first black man to win an oscar for this movie, this was a piece of black cinama history and was one of the first movies to show black people in a good light oposse to movies pryor that often showed them in comedic roles, its also one of the first movies to show a black and a white boy being friends with each other.
The movie does play on some stereotypes for overall it is not really offencive. And this is coming from me, an African American.
This movie is only racist if you are easily offended.
Actually, Song of the South made it to VHS. my grandmother has a copy.
It's probably a bootleg copy.
I have a bootleg VHS copy
Apparently, it never to give release in the USA. It was on VHS in Europe and laserdisc in Japan.
There an unofficial Blu-ray like quality release by a person named Notelu. 22.xGB MKV.
I'm actually curious if Disney is still debating on putting Song of the south on Disney +.
Idk. It's not on Disney plus (yet)
Probably won’t be on it on there Whoopi Goldberg wants it up though
Wow, I'm early,
Well, times were different back then
+Chaos Anims lol nice joke
To be fair though even since it’s releae the movie has always been controversial and criticized for it’s racial insensitivity (you don’t have to agree with the critiques of the movie, but you get what I mean)
BRUUUUH I JUST REALIZED THAT SPLASH MOUNTAIN IS SONG OF THE SOUTH THEMED MY LIFE IS CHANGED
If I’m correct the African-American characters aren’t slaves as the movie is supposed to be set after the Civil War and not during the Antebellum era.
Das wasist
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Re ol wassist
wascally wabbit
Dolan Trimp
Das wassist.
+Dolan Trimp "Any boooonds today?"
Americans, denying their own history instead of just accepting it
+Hromovlad1 What are you talking about? Since when were we denying about slavery?
*****
The movie is a reflection of the time it was made in
There's no reason to be ashamed of it or trying to hide it
Nick Kesner
By denying one's own history I meant trying to erase this movie from the public consciousness, rather than accepting it as part of one's history
Hromovlad1 Ok but the movie not accurate as to how slavery was.
Nick Kesner
nobody claims it to be accurate
(in all honesty, most Disney movies aren't accurate)
8:44 this didn’t date well😢
I watched this on VHS as a kid since my grandad owned a copy. All the slavery stuff went way over my head.
I just love how he used the Dinosaur theme for the beginning. Such a good theme in general😂
I saw this when I was 3 when my Grandpa showed it to me. I was so sad when the little boy wasn't allowed to visit Uncle Remus because I loved Uncle Remus so much. He's one of my favourite lifelong characters.
I saw it in the theater I think it was 1983 when I saw it, I was 9 years old. They drop the N bomb in this movie. Doug never said that lol he cant remember, so I did for you. That's why it has not been rereleased. Thx god for me.
Well, sure, you could look at it that way. But I agree with this page: www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/negro
Which calls the word Negro outdated and maybe even offensive. But technically this movie uses it in historical context, during a time where it was widely accepted as less offensive than the term "black", so... I guess it wasn't offensive when it was used in this movie?
I honestly don't get how that word's racist. Blacks call each other the N word all the time. If I were to call them that I'd be beaten in a heartbeat, but... if they're so crazy about being racist, then why are they doing that to each other?
+ToriToons 99 "Blacks call each other the N word all the time."
That's called *context*, dude.
+ToriToons 99 you don't get how the word is racist...but then censor yourself by using 'N word' meaning you do get how the word is racist.
+Fernie Canto no, it's called hypocrisy.
I haven't seen the movie but from what I can gather, I still don't understand why it is seen as racist. To me it's more like people being offended and considering post american civil war as taboo, I dunno, that's strange.
I wonder what this film would look like on DVD or Blu-Ray all cleaned up
+Eric Brady yeah! not to mention with THX picture and sound!
With the way time is progressing theres no way it'll happen.
I just bought the DVD for .99 at Goodwill, but all it was, was a clear disc that someone recorded from a vhs tape, so the picture wasn't that great, but still cool to own
There was nothing wrong with this movie. It was absolutley beautiful. For wrong reasons racist people will say I’m right, and haters will say I’m wrong. The dreamers understand exactly what I mean🧚🏼
Splash Mountain at Disneyland has the Animated Characters from the Movie on it even the Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah song in the ride. Just wanted to let you guys know that fact.
I can imagine 99% of people going to Disneyland have no idea where those characters came from. I know, I go there often. XD Heck, I go there tomorrow!
+MichaelJacksonxKatyPerry 1 I can confirm this as I work at the Parks in California. They also sell Br'er Rabbit merchandise and have character appearances of Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear near Splash Mountain. It's kind of funny though when I see kids ask their parents where these characters come from only to watch the adults squirm slightly as they bring up Song of the South. To tell you honestly, I think the original Country Bears were more racially insensitive than Song of the South and that show ran for years.
And the Winnie the Pooh ride had the characters from Winnie the Pooh on it. I just wanted to let you guys know that fact. Like your comment is just weird. I'm not expecting everyone to know that, but couldn't people who have never been to Disney watching this figure that out for themselves? And more importantly, is this something they need to know? Just how is the fact that a theme park ride based on a movie features characters from that movie relevant to this discussion about the quality of said movie? Why did you feel the need to point that out as if a description of something is a fun fact?
I think we all knew that? Yeah? 🧐
A family movie with no political agenda attached to it but only to entertain where whites and blacks care for each other is un heard of today and that's the real issue
3:25 Judging by the auto generated subtitles, he doesn't sound like someone I would want to meet
8:42 yeah about that... people are tearing that ride down for being "too racist"
Gone with the Wind is far more racist than this movie.
Yeah, that movie kinda makes the Northern soldiers the bad guys and the Rebels the tragic heroes. But it's far too popular a movie to assail. At least the SJWs aren't that stupid... yet. Once they regress a little further, they will begin to demand "Gone With the Wind" be erased from history, and more people will come to understand just how insane they are.
@@Alondro77 Oh, how your comment has aged.
Doug I can't believe you got this wrong!?
Uncle Remus is NOT a slave. In fact, no one in the film is a slave.
There is not a single depiction of slavery anywhere in the film Song of the South.
The original stories written by Joel Chandler Harris as well as the film is set after the Civil War and AFTER abolition of slavery.
Is this 75 year old film a weird sometimes uncomfortable stereotype of black people? Yes, it is but so is Gone With the Wind, so are a lot of films from that era. Hell, have you watched any of the old Loony Toon cartoons lately? They are riddled with the same cringing stereotypes.
Song of the South is a sweet little film with an amazing classic song and an incredible performance by a black actor.
It's too bad that for years people have labeled this "the Disney slave movie" and now Doug you've perpetuated that ugly rumor.
Actually, in the time period it's set in, while slavery had been abolished, ex-slaves still ended up being payed next to nothing because they had nowhere else to go, slaves in all but name. They were stuck, unable to advance in life. So, yes, this movie didn't technically have slaves, but they basically were slaves. I don't think Doug is perpetuating anything. In fact, it's rather close to the truth. While I think the movie is fine, don't get any delusions. They were essentially slaves.
+S.S.R.C.P.B. An individual who gets paid for their work and is free to leave anytime they want to take another job or live wherever they choose is not "essentially a slave"
+I hate Google plus of course I agree with everything you said. It's not opinion it's fact. It's history.
I agree that post slavery was basically "emancipation without a plan"
But all of what you said doesn't have much to do with my point. Song of the South does not depict slavery. Those black folks in the film are not slaves. Doug, and many others have perpetuated this myth which has kept this movie from ever being seen again.
S.S.R.C.P.B. I dont think they actually stated the time period so it could seem that way, but at the same time you can tell its after civil war since they aren't harsh towards them and beginning to get along a bit if that makes any sense
Never heard of cash crop farming? Back when slaves were first freed, most of them literally had no money, so white plantation owners came up with a sneaky and cruel solution called cash crop farming. The ex-slaves would work the fields and then give the owners a percentage of the crops in return for housing and their own percentage of the crops grown. The thing was that since there were no laws protecting the working field for blacks, the owners jacked up the percentage so much that blacks barely had any food left for themselves. So little food that it was near impossible to sell their product and actually earn a living. And God forbid they were behind on paying the white field owners. They'd simply be put in debt. So while they might have been free to leave at any time, many were trapped by debt and most couldn't leave because they couldn't afford to go (and had nowhere to go). They struggled for food and barely made any money, so they were a form of slaves. They weren't property, but many were tied down to the land.
I was surprise to find out that the little boy in this movie eventually went onto play Peter Pan
Thing is, I do want to see this. Damn the controversy and racisms, I would like to see this film.
I loved that magical movie and the music. Briar rabbit is a delightful character. Uncle Remus is the story teller extraordinare.
A sad time in American history, but a great movie!
Oh god this film. Back in the days before i was old enough to understand all the issues it had.
Those were the days.
Ignorance is bliss.
MercuriallyStatic And innocence. Remember that?
How were you and Doug able to watch this? The film came out in the 40s, so were they re-relrasing it into theaters despite the controversy?
Willie Wonker I feel like Doug was incorrect because i had this on VHS
+Willie Wonker Yeah, according to Wikipedia: "Song of the South was re-released in theatres several times after its original Walt Disney Pictures/RKO Pictures premiere, each time through Buena Vista Pictures: in 1956; in 1972 for the 50th anniversary of Walt Disney Productions; in 1973 as the second-half of a double bill with The Aristocats; in 1980 for the 100th anniversary of Harris' classic stories; and in 1986 for the film's own 40th anniversary and in promotion of the upcoming Splash Mountain attraction at three of Disney's theme parks."
I sure hope Disney puts this gem
out on Disney+
Is that the music from Dinosaur?
Yep
My Top 90 Favorite Live Action Disney Movies that my Husband Adam, our four children, our 3-year-old Identical Twins named Ellie (Girl) and Julian (Boy), our 6-year-old daughter named Ruth, our 9-year-old son named Tyler, and I would watch, are.
90. Rudyard Kipling's The Jungle Book. - 1994.
89. 101 Dalmatians. - 1996.
88. The Jungle Book Mowgli's Story. - 1998.
87. 102 Dalmatians. - 2000.
86. Flight of the Navigator. - 1986.
85. Alice in Wonderland. - 2010.
83. The Incredible Journey. - 1963.
82. The Sorcerer's Apprentice. - 2010.
81. Benji the Hunted. - 1987.
80. Maleficent. - 2014.
79. Homeward Bound the Incredible Journey. - 1993.
78. Cinderella. - 2015.
77. Homeward Bound 2 Lost in San Francisco. - 1996.
76. The Jungle Book. - 2016.
75. The Rocketeer. - 1991.
74. Alice through the looking glass. - 2016.
73. Who Framed Roger Rabbit. - 1988.
72. Beauty and the Beast. - 2017.
71. Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. - 1989.
70. Christopher Robin. - 2017.
69. Honey, I Blew up the Kid. - 1992.
68. Dumbo. - 2019.
67. Honey, We Shrunk Ourselves. - 1997.
66. Aladdin. - 2019.
65. Pete's Dragon. - 1977.
64. The Lion King. - 2019.
63. Pete's Dragon. - 2016.
62. Maleficent: Mistress of Evil. - 2019.
61. White Fang. - 1991.
60. Lady and the Tramp. - 2019.
59. White Fang 2 Myth of the White Wolf. - 1994.
58. Mulan. - 2020.
57. That Darn Cat. - 1965.
56. Cruella. - 2021.
55. That Darn Cat. - 1997.
54. Pinocchio. - 2022.
53. Peter Pan & Wendy. - 2023.
52. The Little Mermaid. - 2023.
51. The Ugly Dachshund. - 1966.
50. The Watcher in the Woods. - 1980.
49. Tron. - 1982.
48. Tron Legacy. - 2010.
47. The Parent Trap. - 1961.
46. The Parent Trap. - 1998.
45. Wild Hearts Can't Be Broken. - 1991.
44. Tall Tale the unbelievable Adventures of Pacos Bill. - 1995. (R.I.P Patrick Swayze).
43. The Journey of Natty Gann. - 1985.
42. The Apple Dumpling Gang. - 1975. (R.I.P Don Knotts).
41. The Apple Dumpling Gang Rides Again. - 1979.
40. The Swiss Family Robinson. - 1960.
39. The Devil and Max Devlin. - 1981.
38. Popeye. - 1980.
37. Herbie Goes Bananas. - 1980.
36. Amy. - 1981.
35. Return to Oz. - 1985.
34. The Journey of Natty Gann. - 1985
33. One Magic Christmas. - 1985.
32. Cheetah. - 1988.
31. Under Wraps. - 1997.
30. The Thirteenth Year. - 1998.
29. Quints. - 2000.
28. Mom's got a date with a Vampire.
27. Phantom of the Megaplex.
26. Cadet Kelly. - 2002.
25. High School Musical. - 2006.
24. High School Musical 2. - 2007.
23. Mr. Magoo. - 1997.
22. The Three Musketeers. - 1993.
21. Mighty Joe Young. - 1998.
20. Inspector Gadget. - 1999.
19. Rocketman. - 1997.
18. Newsies. - 1992.
17. The Big Green. - 1995.
16. Blank Check. - 1994.
15. The Adventures of Huck Finn. - 1993.
14. A Kid in King Arthur's Court. - 1995.
13. Jungle 2 Jungle. - 1997.
12. Tom & Huck. - 1995.
11. Angels in the outfield. - 1994.
10. Man of the House. - 1995.
9. The Mighty Ducks. - 1992.
8. Iron Will. - 1994.
7. First Kid. - 1996.
6. My Favorite Martian. - 1999.
5. Heavyweights. - 1995.
4. Muppet Treasure Island. - 1998.
3. George of the Jungle. - 1997.
2. Operation Dumbo Drop. - 1995.
1. Squanto a Warrior's Tale. - 1994.
I'm so happy you like this movie! It's one of my favorites and I don't really see much of why it's considered a "bad" movie. But to comment on how the story of the movie is, I think it's made like a kids book. It's simply, fun, has lessons and characters you love. Thanks for reviewing this! People need to know how fun this movie is.
My grandmother had to order it from England for VHS
Nostalgia critic quote 2015
“Dumb white kids,being dumb white kids”
I spent my childhood in N.C. throughout 70's. As a child, I was 'in love' with Uncle Remus's smile and songs. I loved the cartoons with Brer Rabbit and der tar baby. Today, as an adult, the racial inequality, in the movie, makes me extremely sad. As a child I ran in the woods, climbed trees, was a lil tomcat, I never saw it because I dressed similar & was almost as poor as the black folk in the movie. It would be nice if MORE of us would grow up the correct way & treat ALL people equal!
I remember seeing this in theaters as a child. It was one of my favorites growing up.. I never noticed anything political about it, just loved Uncle Remus and his stories and then to see them interact with them (in what I thought was real life) at the end .. it made me feel like they were real. I also loved that alot of it was filmed next to where I lived.
Song, Song of the South sweet potato pie and I shut mouth
Wait, this was never released on video? I could swear it was, how else did I see this movie while I was growing up in the mid-to-late '90s. Perhaps it was released on home video in the UK but not the US?
kingkong381 The film was released on home rental video in the 80s in the UK. I worked at blockbuster video for over 10 years and when I started working in the stores there were a few store that still had copy's and then we were asked to remove the title by Disney .
I own the VHS. The English version with Dutch subtitles.
The minority of *woke* people should not be able to dictate to the rest of us what we can watch or not. *Back when this was made, it had to pass censors, and the moral majority, it passed them.* And censors back then were strick.
It is an amazing piece of artwork, and should be treated as such. They should release the DVD, with a warning announcement printed on the label, and a speech given before the movie starts. As well as a list of reference materials you can go look up in any library to explain that time frame in history, it's the reformation time, post Civil War era. These were former slaves. Before those of us that were told our family history are gone from this world, this movie needs to come back out. Young people don't want to sit still long enough to learn their family's history anymore, this movie might start the conversation. The good, the bad, and the ugly needs to be told. Because if you don't learn history, you are doomed to repeat it. We never want that time in history repeated where people owned other people. If you don't know it ever happened, it might be repeated someday in the future.
Would anyone deny their children the opportunity to see the movie Roots? That shows the worst of humanity happening. That wasn't every slaves experience, but it was a majority of them. Should we say Alex Hailey should not have written the book, or made the movie? Then why deny “Song Of The South”? What Yankees fail to understand is most Southerners, of both colors, are usually happy people. Good food, good climate, good friends, make for happier people. And Yankees hate us for being happy. Uncle Remus was happy, despite his circumstances. (It drives them nuts.) If you don't laugh you'll cry. Choose happiness.
I hope someone in the powers that be at Disney sees these comments of people wanting to see this movie again, and put it out. Disney does other things for their employees that tick off a lot of people, but they keep doing it anyway. What's the difference? Whole church groups of some religions have been boycotting them for well over 25 years, doesn't seem to bother them. But rereleasing “Song Of The South” can't be done?
🤦♀️ SMH...
Thank you for the video, greatly appreciated it.
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