That accident long time ago circulating over the web virally as meme. Not engineering prevented the train keep upright. The true trainkeeper is the pole on the very-right side of the scene, which hard to catch, just the falling cables shown the place, where the train hit it, then bounces back. Is revealed by an comment from an witnesse, who also added, that pole saved 2 trains with a same method. And also some viewer, who knows, how the system works, told, the accident happened because the frog reported false "straight" position, and the speed limiter don't steps in in that case- for straight movement such 20 mph not big value. It not revealed, the reason for this, the frog electronic, or mechanical failure, or just simply a broken relay, or blocked switch by dust. All of them can happen with that type of frog. If you watcing carefully, notice, the train became accelerating, after a frog remote-controller box, placed near the rails. The pilot operated the frog positioner to straight, during this, slows down. Then the system showed him the signal, the frog succesfully changed the track to straight. In real life, not, but the pilot began accelerating, then just metres from the frog realized, is positioned to turn right- and operating the emergency brake in the last second. The full brake building time also consisted a time, only the second car able to braking effectively- but it's too late. All injuries happened under the camera position, where the tram was fallen.
Similar incident in Croydon UK in 2016. The operator was prosecuted. On 9 November 2016, a tram operated by Tramlink derailed and overturned on a sharp bend approaching a junction. Of a total 69 passengers, there were seven fatalities and 62 injured, 19 of whom sustained serious injuries.
There was a similar accident in Croydon, UK a few years back. The tram was doing 48mph around a bend with a 12mph speed limit. It derailed and overturned, seven people died. It was caused by the driver being asleep (a micro sleep--whatever that is).
Micro sleep is short bursts of sleep, less then 30 seconds, that you wont even notice you have. often quite a few in series when you get them, sort of like someone flicking a lightswitch in your head quite fast when you are really tirred and strugling to stay awake. since you dont really notice them, and you dont remember anything from the small blackouts, they are what kills tired drivers, and make train drivers miss signals and lose track of where they are along the track.
@@Nardur12321 Well put. The first time it happened to me was on the M1, not long after it had been built. Had to be the mid '60's, I remember waking up, and the first thought that went through my mind was , OH S**t how long have I been asleep! It still happens to me once in a while, but I no longer swear when I wake up!!!!! Clean underware is still a valid potion in these cases. The last time it happened was on hwy 58, approaching Karamer Junction in California, 4 or 5 years ago, I woke up in the wrong lane with some very large trucks (lorries) coming at me.
Impressive engineering and design, that train managed to stay upright, that must have prevented a lot of injuries. Especially after such an aggressive move.
It wasn't engineering of the train, per se. The lead light rail vehicle struck a pole which kept it upright and that kind of set the rear vehicle on a much safer course around the curve.
The secret is in the profile of the wheel flanges, they are designed such that they will lift over the railhead before the vehicle tips over, a feature that saved many lives in one of the Morpeth accidents.
The very nature of these things gives them a very low center of gravity, I think: chassis, wheels, and electric motors are probably the vast-majority of the weight, and, no doubt, quite heavy. The front car looked like it might go over, but it being coupled to the cars behind it, and the second car sideswipes something hard and gets forced back down and flips the lead car back down with it. There are still some pretty nice gouges in the pavement over there.
looks to me that the speed and fact that it hit the second set of tracks saved it from tipping over…any faster and it’d tipped, without the second track absorbing impact and slowing it the train would have tipped over
A sane tram driver would never enter a tight curve with such speed. This must have been either a brake failure or a serious case of incompetence (overworked? micro-sleep?).
9News, you definitely should look into this. Both the 2019 and 2022 derailment of the R Line at this exact same intersection involved speed related defects and were both operated with vehicle 316 as the lead car in both accidents.
Not aggressive if taken at the correct or under the posted limit for that curve. To me, it looked like it was going faster than what is posted for that segment of track.....
A few years ago the same thing happened at the same location that caused a lady to be thrown out the train and have her foot cut off. I'm surprised they still haven't fixed that turn.
it wasn't the turn that was at fault. they didn't install overspeed warnings and automatic braking systems to either the train or trackside hardware. its cheaper to jail a tired driver and pay out insurance than upgrade infrastructure. Maybe if the company executives were also jailed along with shareholders losing all profits for several years (as compensation to the dead and injured) for the accident they would start thinking safety first and installing critical upgrades. The insurance companies should be refusing to cover them unless all safety upgrades are carried out, along with driver monitoring in the cab that would alert the driver/stop the train if they were incapcitated or asleep.
mostly luck ,a hard flat surface for the wheels to slide on. If it were gravel or dirt the wheel would have dug in and flipped the cars on their sides.
@@turboturtle9083 Not exactly as it happens plenty of time to freighters as well and they frequently remain upright. It has more to do with center of gravity and stability than it does safety. The heavy bogies keep it down.
“Hold my beer”, “plot twist”, “who else came here from….”, “if you’re watching this in 2024 then….”, any comments that are talking “in meme” instead of normal, a comment simply copying a line being spoken by someone in a movie clip etc that we can all hear perfectly well. All of it is outdated.
The speed limit for this turn is probably 10mph like the other tight turns on the network. This is clearly not 10mph, drivers on the R line need to chill out. Maybe the time table should be adjusted if drivers are trying to race through the line
Timetable pressure is a real problem. Druvers are forced to push the limits of their vehicles, because the timetable fails to take into account traffic jams, slower turnover if passangers during rush hours etc.
They have radar speed limit signs on both approaches into this turn, for the trains, which is set for 10 MPH, if I remember rightly. They are always flashing for excessive speed for the vehicle traffic when a train isn't there.
@@CZpersi Physics trumps a timetable. If you push past the safe limits of any vehicle, let-alone a specialty, heavy beast like this, it is unacceptable, no matter how late you are. I guarantee the operator wasn't paying attention to the controls. That's a 90-degree turn.
@@SpartacusColo that's clearly not enough if there's been 2 accidents like this in 5 years, they should thinking of installing an atp system on the approach to that curve.
I'm pretty sure that this was caused by the driver being distracted, under the influence, or incapacitated some other way. It's hard to believe that the timetable would push drivers into trying to get through a 10 MPH curve at 40 MPH.
Drive/brake is operated by hand and a Deadman is operated by foot. Light rail is not under FRA regulations so therefore they do not employ a Positive Train Control (PTC) however, trains operating in Arvada, Westminster, Northglen/Thornton and DIA all have PTC and are much safer. Light rail is under COPUC which oversees and regulates how they operate. Operators in light rail division are overworked and short-staffed. I'm not sure how the hours workout in RTD heavy rail division but I used to average out 60-65hrs a week in light rail. I'm no longer employed by RTD so I can share some stuff but not all of it.
This curve in the track saves lives. Otherwise, it's theoretically possible for a train to beat the stopped traffic to this very busy intersection. Strange it's an intersection not being bypassed.
Omg you two are bad but hilarious at the same time, I remember those names being used the first time, the person who thought them up was a comic genius I thought anyway. 🤣🤣🤣 Edit... is the last name Bang dang ow
@@PecanBaby... it was a high school or college intern working at the NTSB for the summer 🤣 He was a genius to think up those names fast when KTVU called him 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Poor Tori Campbell the anchor who said it on live TV. I never saw her anymore after that 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
@@BBQSauceman I remember watching a clip of it on UA-cam, I was laughing so much I had tears streaming down my face. Just goes to show how much attention they actually pay, to what's written on the teleprompter though. That young intern deserved to be offered a placement immediately, if it was my decision I would definitely have given him a job.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Edit...We also left out the Wee to low 😂
Yikes. I do the same thing every time I take an I-25 off ramp curve at 70mph. I'm pretty much the reason there are guard rails in disrepair all over metro Denver.
That turn looks like it was more suitable for a bus than a tram. While the driver would be at fault for driving it like a hot rod, I would also question the engineering thought process that went into this turn.
Reminds me a little of the Metro North commuter rail derailment in the Bronx, NY in 2013, went into a curve way too fast and jumped the track. 4 people were killed in that one, fortunately nobody was killed in this RTD one.
@@jonathanblair5255 Never mind light rail... Rail is classified by weight per yard. The degree of that curve plus the speed he was going would have thrown it off the rails on standard "heavy" rail too. And if we're talking physics, Newton's first law fits perfectly : an object at rest remains at rest, and an object that is moving will continue to move straight and with constant velocity, if and only if there is no net force acting on that object.
It's not just that. Its also how thain tracks are designed. You don't see train intersections like this in Europe where trains are widely used. Its all safe here. We used train daily in Europe. I wish the US would learn from how other country's do things. You can clearly see how there was no thought about this intersection.
If this wasn't a medical emergency or a mechanical failure, then it was sheer incompetence. So dangerous to employ drivers that are not liscenced and unfit for the job. If I was a passenger, I would sue.
Train was going 4 times the speed limit in that area (39 mph in a 10 mph zone). Operator was 'distracted'. Operator was fired. Same type of accident happened in same place for same reason in 2019.
A long time ago, my grandfather was in charge of the BN rail yard and an engineer driving just the engine went a little too fast and the engine toppled over. No one was hurt, but my grandfather had to fire him. He brought his young family to my grandfather's house to plead to have his job back. But my grandfather couldn't do it. It was very, very sad for everyone.
Train was going 4 times the speed limit in that area (39 mph in a 10 mph zone). Operator was 'distracted'. Operator was fired. Same type of accident happened in same place for same reason in 2019.
We need more of these. Let's hire lots of contractors from an independent company so RTD has no liability. If something goes wrong say, 'It's not our responsibility. It's our independent contractor.' If the heat gets really bad, let the independent contractor go out of business and then hire another independent contractor and let the whole thing start all over again. RTD has a great lability shield. 'It's not us, it's the company we hired.'
Driver should be fired & charged - was going way too fast to make that curve. Test him for alcohol & drug use! Training staff & supervisors should be demoted. HR hired a reckless person - there should be consequences for them, too!
Here in London (UK) our Docklands Light Rail is automated and never comes into conflict with road traffic (mostly it’s elevated). Having a driver and an ability to take a corner at such speed and even having such a tight corner seems like a bad combo.
@@andymerrett if I remember correctly (it was a few months ago) I was responding to a comment that's not there now. But from the current comments mine is, as you suggest, irrelevant.
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I’m surprised there aren’t auto speed limiters there? It may be driver error, but I’d imagine there should be an electronic override?
If saw such event, I would just turn right or drive around the derailed tram cars. Wouldn't even care about the passengers as they're strangers to me. There's no law saying that you must help other people.
The real genius is the 90 degree turn in such a small radius. You have a land shortage doesn't mean that you can cut corners on Physics to make up for it. Some city planners moonlighting as engineers.
Yes it was the same section. Same problem as well. The operator was speeding. People where hurt pretty bad the first time. I'm not 100% but I do believe one woman was either severely injured or lost her life.
@@nicholebison9887 Same intersection, involving the same lead train car, vehicle 316. Both (presumably) caused by excessive speed going into the corner. In the 2019 crash, a woman was ejected from the train and onto the rails and then the scraper of the train car severed her leg at the knee.
Oh my gosh. This is so tragic. It sucks that lady lost her leg at least she didn't lose her life. And they should definitely retire that car or that employee or employees before someone does lose their lives
Over a month later and RTD is "still investigating the cause of the crash." Bruh, do you people have eyes? ☠☠☠ Also over a month later and they still have neither made repairs, nor resumed R-line service. Can't spell "retarded" without RTD.
That is a speed issue and most likely the driver's fault unless there was a technical issue with his cab. Whilst LRT, Metro cabs have their counterbalance weight in the bogey chassis, the exposed upper cab section is subject to centrifugal forces as depicted here. Poor driving.
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At that speed, the fact that it didn't tumble itself is brilliant engineering...
That accident long time ago circulating over the web virally as meme.
Not engineering prevented the train keep upright.
The true trainkeeper is the pole on the very-right side of the scene, which hard to catch, just the falling cables shown the place, where the train hit it, then bounces back.
Is revealed by an comment from an witnesse, who also added, that pole saved 2 trains with a same method.
And also some viewer, who knows, how the system works, told, the accident happened because the frog reported false "straight" position, and the speed limiter don't steps in in that case- for straight movement such 20 mph not big value.
It not revealed, the reason for this, the frog electronic, or mechanical failure, or just simply a broken relay, or blocked switch by dust. All of them can happen with that type of frog.
If you watcing carefully, notice, the train became accelerating, after a frog remote-controller box, placed near the rails.
The pilot operated the frog positioner to straight, during this, slows down. Then the system showed him the signal, the frog succesfully changed the track to straight.
In real life, not, but the pilot began accelerating, then just metres from the frog realized, is positioned to turn right- and operating the emergency brake in the last second. The full brake building time also consisted a time, only the second car able to braking effectively- but it's too late.
All injuries happened under the camera position, where the tram was fallen.
@@szennyvizcsatorna2483 The train was going too fast around the curve. It's not rocket science!
@@Angry.General1461This guy clearly wants to believe it is.
@@szennyvizcsatorna2483What do you mean, when you use word "frog"? It special language?
( Im not native english speacker)
Or maybe it's just overhead cables + steel wheels on concrete...
The train conductor must've been like, "watch me hit this sick drift"
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How does this have 43 likes ?
@@BigDookie85 It doesn't anymore if that makes you feel better
Nope, "You want to se some crazy shit?".
@@BigDookie85 a sickness of some sort I believe
Similar incident in Croydon UK in 2016. The operator was prosecuted.
On 9 November 2016, a tram operated by Tramlink derailed and overturned on a sharp bend approaching a junction. Of a total 69 passengers, there were seven fatalities and 62 injured, 19 of whom sustained serious injuries.
It was near sandilands tram stop right?
Yep. Same thought crossed my mind.
Wasn't that the guy who microslept after pulling a night shift?
@@repapeti98 Oppressive work regimes like that have caused a lot of "accidents" on the rails and especially on the roads.
"Bet you can't put this train in a 4-wheel drift!"
"Hold my beer."
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Hold it ? , why ? , it was empty... All 6 were empty
better would be here: Hold my licence
8 wheels per train x4 cars = 32 wheel drift.
GAS GAS GAS, I'm gonna step in the gas!
There was a similar accident in Croydon, UK a few years back. The tram was doing 48mph around a bend with a 12mph speed limit. It derailed and overturned, seven people died. It was caused by the driver being asleep (a micro sleep--whatever that is).
Micro sleep is short bursts of sleep, less then 30 seconds, that you wont even notice you have. often quite a few in series when you get them, sort of like someone flicking a lightswitch in your head quite fast when you are really tirred and strugling to stay awake.
since you dont really notice them, and you dont remember anything from the small blackouts, they are what kills tired drivers, and make train drivers miss signals and lose track of where they are along the track.
@@Nardur12321 Thanks
Someone with sleep apnea will suffer from microsleeps ...been there. Did that. Saw the doctor, have a CPAP, didn't hurt someone thank god
That's a lot of words for overworked
@@Nardur12321 Well put.
The first time it happened to me was on the M1, not long after it had been built. Had to be the mid '60's, I remember waking up, and the first thought that went through my mind was , OH S**t how long have I been asleep!
It still happens to me once in a while, but I no longer swear when I wake up!!!!!
Clean underware is still a valid potion in these cases.
The last time it happened was on hwy 58, approaching Karamer Junction in California, 4 or 5 years ago, I woke up in the wrong lane with some very large trucks (lorries) coming at me.
Impressive engineering and design, that train managed to stay upright, that must have prevented a lot of injuries. Especially after such an aggressive move.
It wasn't engineering of the train, per se. The lead light rail vehicle struck a pole which kept it upright and that kind of set the rear vehicle on a much safer course around the curve.
Luck, not impressive engineering. See the tram crash in Croydon UK, too fast into a sharp curve, 7 dead, 62 injured (19 serious/life changing).
The secret is in the profile of the wheel flanges, they are designed such that they will lift over the railhead before the vehicle tips over, a feature that saved many lives in one of the Morpeth accidents.
The very nature of these things gives them a very low center of gravity, I think: chassis, wheels, and electric motors are probably the vast-majority of the weight, and, no doubt, quite heavy. The front car looked like it might go over, but it being coupled to the cars behind it, and the second car sideswipes something hard and gets forced back down and flips the lead car back down with it. There are still some pretty nice gouges in the pavement over there.
looks to me that the speed and fact that it hit the second set of tracks saved it from tipping over…any faster and it’d tipped, without the second track absorbing impact and slowing it the train would have tipped over
A sane tram driver would never enter a tight curve with such speed. This must have been either a brake failure or a serious case of incompetence (overworked? micro-sleep?).
Speed reduction is automated, has been for decade. It is a really old tech. Certainly a brake failure.
I doubt a brake failure as it looks as if there is a sizable uphill just before the turn.
He accelerate…
These things don't use brakes at all, except for emergency stopping. They use the motors to slow down.
@@factormars4339 yes but from how I expect a tram like that would handle the engineer would start slowing down before they got to the top of the hill.
Talk about an inertia drift; the fact the whole train stayed upright despite derailing is an impressive feat of engineering. No pun intended.
9News, you definitely should look into this. Both the 2019 and 2022 derailment of the R Line at this exact same intersection involved speed related defects and were both operated with vehicle 316 as the lead car in both accidents.
There is no grade in that curve, I wonder what the speed restriction is?
@@bigkicker81 10 mph in that specific corner, 35 mph after leaving station, 30 mph after the turn.
That poor lady lost her foot in 2019 in winter!!
@@kshoeirlan This was the same LRV that derailed in 2019... LRV 316.
They speed that drivers take around this corner is ridiculous. The speed is 10 not 35.
Turning rails are always elevated at outer side to balance centrifugal forces of turning train.
Here it's plane and also the train was fast.
That was an aggressive right turn at that speed. "Whoops! Hold on tight, we're going down!"
Not aggressive if taken at the correct or under the posted limit for that curve. To me, it looked like it was going faster than what is posted for that segment of track.....
Definitely going too fast for the curve.
@@heyrod59 completely agree, the driver was speeding along instead of actually paying attention to the task at hand.
@@heyrod59 I believe Rocky Power said the same thing. Why did you post to him with that comment?
35mph for a 5mph corner. Still not repaired.
A few years ago the same thing happened at the same location that caused a lady to be thrown out the train and have her foot cut off. I'm surprised they still haven't fixed that turn.
it wasn't the turn that was at fault. they didn't install overspeed warnings and automatic braking systems to either the train or trackside hardware. its cheaper to jail a tired driver and pay out insurance than upgrade infrastructure. Maybe if the company executives were also jailed along with shareholders losing all profits for several years (as compensation to the dead and injured) for the accident they would start thinking safety first and installing critical upgrades. The insurance companies should be refusing to cover them unless all safety upgrades are carried out, along with driver monitoring in the cab that would alert the driver/stop the train if they were incapcitated or asleep.
You COULD just slow TF down, right? Just a thought. Not like you didn't know it was there.
Let this be a life lesson to never live your life on rails. Follow your heart, just like this train did.
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Damn right!
I have never, not even once, seen Aurora on the news for something good
Props to the engineers who designed that train to stay upright. 👍🏻👏🏻 Probably saved a few lives.
mostly luck ,a hard flat surface for the wheels to slide on. If it were gravel or dirt the wheel would have dug in and flipped the cars on their sides.
@@turboturtle9083 Not exactly as it happens plenty of time to freighters as well and they frequently remain upright. It has more to do with center of gravity and stability than it does safety. The heavy bogies keep it down.
@@turboturtle9083 The train was going too fast around the curve. It's not rocket science!
@@Angry.General1461 That has nothing to do with what they wrote.
Engineers don't design the train, they just drive it.
My man’s got dreams of the Polar Express and nobody’s gonna stop him
"You can't drift a train"
"Hold my beer"
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Safe a second base!
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“Hold my beer”, “plot twist”, “who else came here from….”, “if you’re watching this in 2024 then….”, any comments that are talking “in meme” instead of normal, a comment simply copying a line being spoken by someone in a movie clip etc that we can all hear perfectly well. All of it is outdated.
Even a novice would know that train was simply going too fast.
The speed limit for this turn is probably 10mph like the other tight turns on the network. This is clearly not 10mph, drivers on the R line need to chill out. Maybe the time table should be adjusted if drivers are trying to race through the line
Timetable pressure is a real problem. Druvers are forced to push the limits of their vehicles, because the timetable fails to take into account traffic jams, slower turnover if passangers during rush hours etc.
They have radar speed limit signs on both approaches into this turn, for the trains, which is set for 10 MPH, if I remember rightly. They are always flashing for excessive speed for the vehicle traffic when a train isn't there.
@@CZpersi Physics trumps a timetable. If you push past the safe limits of any vehicle, let-alone a specialty, heavy beast like this, it is unacceptable, no matter how late you are. I guarantee the operator wasn't paying attention to the controls. That's a 90-degree turn.
@@SpartacusColo that's clearly not enough if there's been 2 accidents like this in 5 years, they should thinking of installing an atp system on the approach to that curve.
I'm pretty sure that this was caused by the driver being distracted, under the influence, or incapacitated some other way. It's hard to believe that the timetable would push drivers into trying to get through a 10 MPH curve at 40 MPH.
C'mon. They don't have computer regulated speed controls? That can't be cuz of a lead foot.
Drive/brake is operated by hand and a Deadman is operated by foot. Light rail is not under FRA regulations so therefore they do not employ a Positive Train Control (PTC) however, trains operating in Arvada, Westminster, Northglen/Thornton and DIA all have PTC and are much safer. Light rail is under COPUC which oversees and regulates how they operate. Operators in light rail division are overworked and short-staffed. I'm not sure how the hours workout in RTD heavy rail division but I used to average out 60-65hrs a week in light rail. I'm no longer employed by RTD so I can share some stuff but not all of it.
No the operator controls speed this turn is only supposed to be taken at 5 max about 8mph this was clearly operator error
Light rail trains don't have PTC. It's fully operator controlled
@@TimkaD736 Jeez, you're who we actually need to cover the story. Let's get $h!t fixed
This curve in the track saves lives. Otherwise, it's theoretically possible for a train to beat the stopped traffic to this very busy intersection. Strange it's an intersection not being bypassed.
The Fast And The Furious: Commuter Drift😂😂😂😂
Employee of the year right there!
The operator's name is Ho Lee Fuk been with the company for 30 years.
@@BBQSauceman I think his name is actually Sum Ting Wong
Omg you two are bad but hilarious at the same time, I remember those names being used the first time, the person who thought them up was a comic genius I thought anyway. 🤣🤣🤣 Edit... is the last name Bang dang ow
@@PecanBaby... it was a high school or college intern working at the NTSB for the summer 🤣 He was a genius to think up those names fast when KTVU called him 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Poor Tori Campbell the anchor who said it on live TV. I never saw her anymore after that 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
@@BBQSauceman I remember watching a clip of it on UA-cam, I was laughing so much I had tears streaming down my face. Just goes to show how much attention they actually pay, to what's written on the teleprompter though. That young intern deserved to be offered a placement immediately, if it was my decision I would definitely have given him a job.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Edit...We also left out the Wee to low 😂
Some see this as a train derailing, but I see this as a train achieving its dream of learning to drift.
Yikes. I do the same thing every time I take an I-25 off ramp curve at 70mph. I'm pretty much the reason there are guard rails in disrepair all over metro Denver.
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Yo, what? Lmao
Ain't that how you're supposed to do it?
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@@wardaddy6002 no, it "ain't" skeeter
That turn looks like it was more suitable for a bus than a tram.
While the driver would be at fault for driving it like a hot rod, I would also question the engineering thought process that went into this turn.
Reminds me a little of the Metro North commuter rail derailment in the Bronx, NY in 2013, went into a curve way too fast and jumped the track. 4 people were killed in that one, fortunately nobody was killed in this RTD one.
Just proves that wheel flanges on trains do absolutely nothing
What do you mean? Of course they can´t hold somethig at that speed. They do what they are designed to do. Are you stupid or something?
I find it crazy how the 1st car was almost flipped onto its side
* Its side. "It's" is a contraction of "it is," and "flipped onto it is side" makes no sense.
Just remember it's his, her, and its, not hi's, he'r, and it's.
@@seikibrian8641 thanks
@@seikibrian8641 😭😭😭🤣😅🤣😂🤣🤣
I find it crazy how the 1st car wasn't flipped onto its side.
*”Luckily, no one was perished.”*
Looks like someone wasn't paying attention to their signals...hope everyone is alright. Seems like everything stayed upright somehow.
Speed was the main factor. You can’t go 50 on a curve in light rail. Basic physics.
@@jonathanblair5255 Never mind light rail... Rail is classified by weight per yard. The degree of that curve plus the speed he was going would have thrown it off the rails on standard "heavy" rail too.
And if we're talking physics, Newton's first law fits perfectly : an object at rest remains at rest, and an object that is moving will continue to move straight and with constant velocity, if and only if there is no net force acting on that object.
@@jonathanblair5255 yeah train driver maybe sleep so he not see signal.
@@hendrygmail4161 The signal had nothing to do with it. In fact, he had the right of way. He was just going too fast.
It's not just that. Its also how thain tracks are designed. You don't see train intersections like this in Europe where trains are widely used. Its all safe here. We used train daily in Europe. I wish the US would learn from how other country's do things. You can clearly see how there was no thought about this intersection.
If this wasn't a medical emergency or a mechanical failure, then it was sheer incompetence. So dangerous to employ drivers that are not liscenced and unfit for the job. If I was a passenger, I would sue.
That train was traveling too fast for that turn!
No, I think the problem was that it came off the tracks. Probably because of the speed, and the fact that it was turning.
@@mojomonkeyfish thanks for reiterating exactly what MaryLou said lmao
Thank you Doctor!
Thanks captain hindsight
The train was traveling at the proper speed, the problem is that SOMEONE put a turn right there.
Everybody who has touched any train or played any train simulator knows you Don’tp don’t ever turn too fast.
That engineer needs a drug test 😂
Taking that sharp bend way too fast, the driver must've been asleep?
MULTI TRACK DRIFTING!!
*Deja vu i’ve seen this space before*
@@AMT1345 Try again, chief.
Technical failure? Operator error? Medical issue? What caused the consist to go through the curve @ that speed?
Train was going 4 times the speed limit in that area (39 mph in a 10 mph zone). Operator was 'distracted'. Operator was fired. Same type of accident happened in same place for same reason in 2019.
Dude thought he could drift the train 💀
Operator error. That was way to fast
A long time ago, my grandfather was in charge of the BN rail yard and an engineer driving just the engine went a little too fast and the engine toppled over.
No one was hurt, but my grandfather had to fire him. He brought his young family to my grandfather's house to plead to have his job back. But my grandfather couldn't do it. It was very, very sad for everyone.
Well, I’m no engineer or train driver but even Stevie Wonder could see that happening.
The guy in the truck at the light be like “I got that on my Dash camera!”. He keeps repeating it to all his friends to make himself look cool.
I like how the 2nd 2 cars were like "later bro its cool we got this. Wait... almost... nope."
I love how everyone just rushes to help.
There's electrical wires
It was a 31 second video! How do you know no one tried?
Is your middle name troll?
@@88marome no electrical wires went down.
Haulin ass into that corner like a true boss.
That train is going way too fast for that curve. But I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
... the driver didn't either, apparently 😳
Holy crap, that driver was going WAY TOO FAST!!! Distracted, fell asleep, drunk???
Train was going 4 times the speed limit in that area (39 mph in a 10 mph zone). Operator was 'distracted'. Operator was fired. Same type of accident happened in same place for same reason in 2019.
This is due to recklessness. If the train is very light, it should be taking the curve very slowly.
There should be a computer controlled "govenor" to controll speed at certain corners.
This was way to fast for any vehicle!
Right because apparently humans are too dumb to do it.
Train driver: “whoa! When did they install that curve? It wasn’t there yesterday!”
"Who put that curve there?"
The 5000 new speed camera definitely can prevent this from happening again.
well, that's an excellent study in the maximum cornering speed for this type of train. Hopefully they'll use it to make them more time-efficient.
Driver was speeding. Actions equal Consequences.
Denver rail lines there was a derailment in March this year too. Over a bridge
The train was like :: Heyy wait wait I must not let the rest of the cars cross the road
We need more of these. Let's hire lots of contractors from an independent company so RTD has no liability. If something goes wrong say, 'It's not our responsibility. It's our independent contractor.' If the heat gets really bad, let the independent contractor go out of business and then hire another independent contractor and let the whole thing start all over again. RTD has a great lability shield. 'It's not us, it's the company we hired.'
Driver should be fired & charged - was going way too fast to make that curve. Test him for alcohol & drug use! Training staff & supervisors should be demoted. HR hired a reckless person - there should be consequences for them, too!
I was really impressed how those people in cars jumped out and ran to the aid of those passengers. Well done to everyone who helped!!!
Bro give them a second to get out, plus they prob on the phone to emergencies
The driver’s P45 will be processed in record time for this level of carelessness!
Derailment, I'm not surprised going that fast on such a tight curve, no wonder.
That wasn't a derailment, that was drifting.
Imagine you were waiting to cross the street at that corner and you just see this thing hop off the rails at you.
@@kishascape sounds like a Final Destination scene! haha
If it comes off the tracks, it's a derailment. Not sure why you don't think it was a derailment. The word is pretty self-explanatory.
@@angus504 you obviously don't understand sarcasm. 🤦
At this speed it's a miracle it didn't went down 😳😳
Why didn't they slow down before the turn? Was the train conductor having a medical emergency or was it something else?
According to other comments, the driver was asleep at the wheel.
I'm no expert, but speed does seem to be a contributing factor.
Here in London (UK) our Docklands Light Rail is automated and never comes into conflict with road traffic (mostly it’s elevated). Having a driver and an ability to take a corner at such speed and even having such a tight corner seems like a bad combo.
But there was an incident that looked similar to this on the Croydon tram a few years ago. With much worse consequences.
@@joegrey9807 ⬆️ This
@@andymerrett if I remember correctly (it was a few months ago) I was responding to a comment that's not there now. But from the current comments mine is, as you suggest, irrelevant.
I’m surprised there aren’t auto speed limiters there? It may be driver error, but I’d imagine there should be an electronic override?
Would hope that folks in the cars that stopped eventually got out and helped people.
In this day and age they probably robbed them.
I hears they beat them bloody for making one of the drivers drop his meth pipe.
@@adamchristman7367 "GITARZAN!!..." "That's all he can stand! GIVE HIM A HAND!! Gitarzan!!"
If saw such event, I would just turn right or drive around the derailed tram cars. Wouldn't even care about the passengers as they're strangers to me.
There's no law saying that you must help other people.
That driver had way too much speed to make the curve. It didn’t look like they even tried to slow down. I hope no one was seriously injured!
Trip optimizer PTC at it's finest, coming in hot!!
No PTC on RTD light rail, only heavy rail has it.
Train Drivers Girlfriend: Come over
Train Driver: I can't I'm at work
Train Drivers Girlfriend: My parents aren't home
Train Driver: 🚆💨 💥
same dumb joke every time there is a speeding related video..
The real genius is the 90 degree turn in such a small radius. You have a land shortage doesn't mean that you can cut corners on Physics to make up for it. Some city planners moonlighting as engineers.
That is WAY too fast for that corner! What the hell were they thinking? Or did they have some kind of brake failure?
Why was it going so fast around the curve???
The fact that this is the second time lol Aurora never fails haha
When was it before? Was it this same intersection?
Yes it was the same section. Same problem as well. The operator was speeding. People where hurt pretty bad the first time. I'm not 100% but I do believe one woman was either severely injured or lost her life.
@@nicholebison9887 Same intersection, involving the same lead train car, vehicle 316. Both (presumably) caused by excessive speed going into the corner. In the 2019 crash, a woman was ejected from the train and onto the rails and then the scraper of the train car severed her leg at the knee.
Oh my gosh. This is so tragic. It sucks that lady lost her leg at least she didn't lose her life. And they should definitely retire that car or that employee or employees before someone does lose their lives
@@UahUahUah OMG! That poor lady.
That’s a very sharp turn for any type of train.
Waiting for Tokyo drift memes....
Over a month later and RTD is "still investigating the cause of the crash." Bruh, do you people have eyes? ☠☠☠ Also over a month later and they still have neither made repairs, nor resumed R-line service. Can't spell "retarded" without RTD.
Why do Americans not see the difference between a train and a tram and call everything a train?
It's obvious the train was going way too fast to handle that curve.
That's an 'E' ticket right there.
Can we ride that again?
WEEEE!
Definitely wasn't paying attention to his speed.
This isn't that bad. I shit my pants in the McDonald's drive-thru.
Haha good one. Just thinking about McDonald's made you shard.
@@blackrhino3442 nah bro not shard. I ruined my pants and had to clean my driver seat.
Eeew
If it was at McDonald's it's that high fat diet shit that sticks to everything.
Been there done that.. Siting on grass at lunchtime. Oops.. Always keep a spare pair of pants in car. Haha Sorry about your car seat
Totally excessive speed on that curve.😮
WTF? Do they not have Positive Train Control?
This ain't the FRA is it?
RTD light rail does NOT have PTC.
RTD heavy rail has PTC.
Took the turn way too fast, the transit agency there needs to teach its train operators to SLOW down when approaching a turn.
That is a speed issue and most likely the driver's fault unless there was a technical issue with his cab.
Whilst LRT, Metro cabs have their counterbalance weight in the bogey chassis, the exposed upper cab section is subject to centrifugal forces as depicted here.
Poor driving.
This was totally stupid. The engineer should be held totally accountable and sueable.
Wow! I could be wrong, but it looked like the train may have been going too fast to negotiate that curve in the intersection.
0:13 🎵 Deja vu!
I've just been in this place before (higher on the street)
And I know it's my time to go
Calling you
And the search is a mystery (standing on my feet)
It's so hard when I try to be me, woah! 🎵
Simply it was just putting too much speed into the turning point. 🤦
Standard gauge was never designed for trains this big.
Let me guess, the conductor was texting.
It was the passengers fault, they didn’t lean into the curve when the conductor told him.
not sure what happened off screen but thankfully this seemed pretty mild
Looked like over the speed limit of the curve. That was crazy
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Perfect engineering that the train stayed on its wheels
Its a tram... not a train. Big difference.
Why does it seem most train drivers are not rail fans? A train driver that loved their job wouldn't let this happen.