I’m a retired minister, and I think I can speak for most every minister, priest, rabbi, and imam: LEAVE THE TEACHING OF RELIGION TO US! You don’t need to force it into the schools- anybody who wants to learn about this knows where the churches, synagogues and mosques are. We don’t want this any more than nonbelievers do.
Honestly I wouldn't trust some of the churches either, because they sure don't like to explain Tradition and the whole sociohistory of why this interpretation and not that one. Especially when that's currently the second-most fascinating thing I've studied as an agnostic... (most fascinating is the early christianity, how it got tangled up in Hellenic greek philosophy, how some denominations used syncretism, and how it evolved from early Jewish faith that itself distinguished itself from Canaanite faiths and.... Well the TL:DR; is that I honestly didn't expect to end up learning sociology, geopolitics, and just how marvelously interwoven society, spirituality, and politics have been for so much of human development.)
Funny thing is that the Christians forcing this would say the same and deny that any of this is in the bible. Lack of reading ability I suppose and their minister doesn't read them those sections.
It's why I got kicked out of creative writing class. Should have said it was for a Holy book for my new religion, maybe I would have caught a break, or at least got a better therapist.
Calling the Bible a historical document is like calling Spider-Man comics historical documents, except Spider-Man comics have done more good for the world than the Bible could ever dream of.
The Bible has some use as a historical document, as very few documents of the time and place it was written could be called objective or neutral, but it is not taken by historians as the ultimate authority that mustn't be questioned.
@@Nemo12417 It's got about as much accurate as the Greek god stories, or Egyptian god stories And we can decent just about as much accurate information as we can from them, too Things like historical places and (some) practices But they should also be corroborated with other more reliable documents of the time as well
@@stevethomas9320 The majority of the founders of this nation were atheists or deists . They saw the atrocities committed in Europe by state sponsored religion and decided the US would have none of it. That is why the establishment clause exists. Contrary to what these bigoted and hypocritical christians nationalist want to believe, the US was NOT founded as a christian nation. Lest we forget the nazis were big on christian nationalism too. It also started with book bans.
@@katydidiy The state doesn't fund or run Sunday School(s). You can do whatever you like regarding religion on your own dime. When you use tax dollars, there are rules.
I would've loved to see that. Especially the religious teachers fumbling around trying to justify or explain it without sounding like they support that stuff.
Their freedom. The more freedom THEY TAKE the less there is for anyone else. Ultimately it will be total freedom for their Theocratic Dictator and none for anyone else, even them. Then, way to late, they will understand.
As a devout Christian ,and fervent believer in the separation of church and state, the idea of forcing public schools students to have and read the Bible in classrooms is ridiculous.
I went to a southern Baptist private school. I think forcing kids to read and learn about the bible is an amazing idea. There's no faster way to turn a kid against it.
Works better if you can get them to THINK about what they read not just accept it. My mother was required to read it as a kid but I think that she was too young to understand most of it and she was jut taught to accept what she read, no questioning it. I saw the Chariots of the Gods movie as a kid. I thought he had amazing arguments for his claims. I didn't know enough. I read the book as a early teen and saw how little he provided anything like solid evidence. I reread it in my late teens and saw how little was documented fact vs anecdotal. One of the stories for example "took place at A University", no name for the university or the researchers involved, so no ways to fact check, no explanation why the physics professors would let a source of "free energy" be destroyed rather than studied either, why didn't they keep it to go for a Nobel Prize? My mother (and most believers) never get past that first step that I took with Chariots of the Gods. They don't get to the 2nd let alone 3rd step. Too bad. 😇
@@Scanner9631 Critical analysis is a skill, and like many skills it requires training and education to hone it. And we all wonder why conservatives tend to be anti-education?
If this passes muster, I say we all fight for just that... now the Wiccans, they really need to decide on a holy book quick so we can get them in to, and whoever else wants in on this culture party.
About the same as if every day in alphabetical order a different student led with their chosen prayer (or substitute reading) and an atheist, Buddhist or Moslem ever led with their own beliefs. A screaming hissy fit. Years ago some of these people were visiting Congress when the opening prayer wasn't Christian and couldn't understand why their screaming and yelling to drown it out got them in hot water. With these people it is always MY WAY or no way. They can't/won't accept a compromise where anyone else gets something.
Enforcing the bible's teachings in State Schools made England a predominantly Atheist Nation. You can't beat children with the cane and preach an all-loving god at the same time. We learned the hard way, that our children never have to.
And then there's these children being buried in church graveyards and aren't missed because they're orphans, the only one i know of is in Ireland, but i don't doubt that theres other places that used their power to kill a bunch of kids.
I think he wants that so it can go to the Supreme Court, which is likely to side with him. That's what a lot of these blatantly unconstitutional things are trying for right now. He knows it's wrong, but plans to use this current Supreme Court's extremism to claim it's acceptable nationwide.
So, pharmacists and doctors can refuse care based on their "closely held personal beliefs," but he thinks teachers don't have the right to refuse to break the law? Amazing.
putting bibles in school is a direct violation of the separation clause of the Constitution. no one under an oath of public trust can make any demand for bibles in schools, anywhere....
also, attempting to 'force' any actions that violate constitutional law constitutes seditious conspiracy against the US....we know this guy did not come up with this plan on his own, that means there is conspiracy to by force prevent the execution of the laws....
@@Scanner9631 Unless your school district is banning other books they dont like for whatever reason. Because i can assure you that the Bible has far worse in it.
They're anticipating being sued, so it can be appealed up to the Supreme Court. How do you think the religious wackos sitting there in their black robes would rule on this softball?
I certainly wouldn't want him around any living creature, however many legs they happen to have, and the idea that he has authority over any of them is pretty messed up. I have no doubt that he kicks puppies in his free time.
Bible math: there are 3 days between Friday afternoon and Sunday dawn. Oh...wait Bible sociology: take slaves of the nations around you. Oh ...wait. Bible Language Arts: ...oh...wait. Bible Science: are you serious right now?
Matt Shea's "Biblical Justifications for War". Offer peace and only fight if they refuse it. Sounds good? Until you know that by peace they mean your absolute submission to them and their religion. Not much of an offer. Hardly better than what happens if you lose to them and they "kill all the males" (no exemption made for infants or anyone else) and all the females enslaved to them. His definition of "Freedom" for his proposed "Liberty State". Be part of THEIR RELIGION or get the "f" out. All this he says does not violate the constitution of the U.S.. Woeful lack of understanding of that document (or of honesty). Such a "religion of peace and love".
The font of biblical wisdom never runs dry! According to Genesis 4:22, one of the murderous Cain's descendants - Tubalcain, son of Zillah - was apparently responsible for launching both the Bronze and Iron Ages! Why have we not heard in our history classes about the greatest genius who ever lived? I'll tell you why. Those mean old commies/socialists/leftists/Marxists/Antifa sympathizers are *withholding* this precious knowledge from our children trapped in the evil public schools run by the gubmint, that's why!
The first clause in the Bill of Rights states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” So any education group, or member of a state/county/city government who states that ONE religion WILL BE TAUGHT IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL is inviolation of the Bill of Rights. Sue the bastards. Even I, as a Witch, would NEVER try to force my world view on anyone else, especially school children.
There are people who the US to become the the Christian equivalent of Iran. They may not claim to think of it that way, but their actions speak loudly.
Everyone misses the scripture where a group of parents eat their child in the old testament and then they refuse to eat the other person's child and goes to the king for justice 😮😮 the Bible shouldn't be in schools except high-school levels
Funny by breaking the law aren't they showing a lack of knowledge of the bible. Put them all in a locked room with their own personal copy of the bible with the relevant passages highlighted!!!
Thing is, by claiming the authority to make "rules" and then trying to enforce them...legal or not...they create the groundwork for a legal battle that'll almost certainly make its way to the Supreme Court. And we know the Federalist Society's/Supreme Court's views on this issue.
Christian Nationalists have a very authoritarian view on morality. Their god is just not matter the actions because HE is the ultimate authority. And since these Christian Nationalists side under said authority, that makes them moral by default.
Everyone in Oklahoma should feel blessed that every teacher there doesn’t just quit. They are paid and treated like cr@p - it’s like all teachers are in an abusive codependent relationship, who stay for the kids, and the abuse continues.
In the long run, they'd be doing the state a favor if they all walked out this fall, and refused to return until Walters apologizes and resigns. Anything less is condoning his behavior.
You are right about that. When I last visited Oklahoma, a beloved teacher's will asked that everyone who attended her funeral bring backpacks full of school supplied to be donated to the school rather than sending flowers. The entire community showed up with overflowing backpacks. The working people of Oklahoma are the finest you'll find anywhere in the world, but the government is rotten.
@@anitadees4223 wow. 😮 amazing -sacrificing to the very end. This is the prime example of why teachers truly care about children and yet the population and the politicians through their actions and decisions do not. This is also why teachers get abused and taken advantage of because it’s like they are in a codependent abusive relationship and they stay for the kids, no matter what. Unfortunately, as a collective, if we just simply walked out and demanded, as I call it, the declaration of independence of education and demanded what we know is needed that maybe they will listen. Now I know some people reading this will say.” but I live in a right to work state we’re not allowed to strike.’. Well read your history of labor from the 1870s until the 1930s and there are plenty of people going on strike even when they sent the military out to put it down. From the strikes, we were able to get labor laws and even the women’s right to vote.
@petem.3719 Indeed it is. It also makes a good doorstop, paperweight, and bug squisher. Unless we’re squishing extra large roaches. Even yelling, “The power of Christ compels you” while slamming the book does no good. (What? It worked in The Exorcist movies.) Roaches are either tiny, more powerful gods or devout atheists.
@@Scanner9631 Yeah but does a dictionary have more dirty words than the Bible has dirty stories? Because we all know what people read the dictionary for :P
I am British and in elementary school, one teacher talked about the bible all the time would read from it too. In high school, one of my compulsory classes was religious instruction, all about the bible. On top of that, I was sent to Sunday school and would attend services with my grandma. All of this reinforced my belief from an early age that religion is used to control people and nothing I am interested in. 😅
I think your right about Ryan Walters. He knows his statement is going to be shot down. He was making a play for Secretary of Education. Making a decree was the only real way to get noticed by TFG.
*@Kiraward,* your opening sentence, "I think your right about Ryan Walters" is wrong in that you used the possessive "your" instead of the accusative "you're".
@@lynnefox4892 The way Kirraward wrote is an example of the *WOEFUL* standard of American education. The use of the possessive "Your" instead of the accusative "You're" shows the world how ignorant she is of that which is supposed to be her "Mother Tongue".
@@neilforbes416 is an example of the WOEFUL standard of American education. More it is an example of people not proof reading and typing the wrong homonym. Now people typing payd instead of paid is more of an example of bad spelling especially as most of them have access to spell checkers which will be telling them it is wrong.
Couldnt find any algebra in the Bible. Nothing on the founding of the US. It doesnt even mentions once the constitution. In fact it talks about kings and slavery.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
@@jengathoughts Yeah, its about pushing their religion on other people. This is why the US was founded as a secular nation. Because those people came from a place where the crown would persecute Catholics or protestants, depending on the religion of the ruling monarch.
Politicians often upset and anger, as someone who lives in Oklahoma there's constant BS like this. Edit: Norman is one of, if not the most liberal city in all of Oklahoma.
Ay! A fellow Oklahomie! Raised at the border of oklahoma and Arkansas but now I live in OKC. I'm glad to hear it's not completely conservative around here like it is back home
Ideologies aside, it just seems incredibly impractical to mandate something like that. Especially since the bible would be relevant to very little of what's taught in public schools...
@@Hurricayne92 Make it the Hebrew one. At least that way the kiddos will learn another language while they're at it. And after all, it IS standard practice to go back the source material, right?
Oh, darn, Ryan Walters was really going to spice up classroom discussions. I can hear it now. "But teacher, where did Lot's daughters get wine?" "My uncle gets drunk but that doesn't make my cousins have babies."
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
@@jengathoughts Put expurgated versions in the public school libraries and the full version in high school libraries. Give the same punishment to kids bringing the unexpurgated one to a public school that they would get for a pornographic novel. Do the same for other "Holy" works. See them go (more) insane. 😋
Good! About time someone took a stand against this bs. I’m a Christian and I don’t want some random educator pushing their ideals on my kids and grandkids.
I saw a news report about multiple Christian groups that are condemning this mandate. And, there are several districts in Oklahoma that are following Norman ISD, and refusing to follow this memo.
@@biekgiek I love when some bigot gets very loudly reminded that his crappy niche denomination is just one in over 40k+ that get put under the umbrella term of Christianity/Christendom. Good on all the denominations that see this for what it is: some petty crapheads trying to drag the divine right of kings back out of the landfill it was buried in centuries ago.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
@@jengathoughts Ha ha, yeah. I remember hearing a news story that due to book ban criteria, there was at least one school district that had to remove the bible. A quick google search informs me that it was actually several, in multiple, conservative majority states. And, I'll check out the Song of Solomon.
I've read the Bible cover to cover there is no mention of Hell in that book, in the Greek side of the Bible the New Testament Jesus mentioned Gahanna burning forever and that's a real Park in Jerusalem😂 It's like their trilogy is made up BS to control you, tell them to kick rocks.
James Iredell (who became an Associate Supreme Court Justice appointed by Washington): It would be fine if Americans would choose representatives with no religion or choose pagans.
Oklahoman here: Normon, OK, is the home of the University of Oklahoma. This has made it the most liberal district in the state. I'm not surprised this superintendent has done this, and I'm sure he will be successful. The thing that I have not heard anyone say yet, but is clearly true, is that one of the main reasons schools in Oklahoma and Louisiana are being forced to use Bible materials in the classroom is because they are trying to force a lawsuit. They can then take it as high in the court system as possible, hopefully to the Supreme Court, in order to get a new ruling about church/state separation. They believe the conservative court we have right now will rule that using biblical material in schools is fine, and that it doesn't go against the constitution at all. Unfortunately, they may rule just that.
A school district would be foolishly wasting tax dollars to do this without a guarantee that the state was going to cover all legal expenses and judgements when they get sued.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
IMHO Religion and ideology should be out of schools, save for any specific lessons on religion... of which, all types of religions should be covered. I'm just an Aussie watching your channel and stuff happening over in the US though.
If they teach religion then they should teach every single one and if ideology will not be taught then you can't teach what country you are from or any of the flags cause that is nationalism an ideology.
In the 1970s a group of atheist and Hindu parents in California refused to allow their children to recite the Pledge of Allegiance because of "under God." The students were ultimately required to recite the pledge but allowed to go silent on "under God."
@@nomenclature9373yeah but later in California they ruled it can not be compelled at all and why should it especially with native Americans here who have their own nation.
For most of the time the Bible has existed Priest taught you from the Bible, YOU didn't read it or touch it with your "profane hands" only the "sanctified hands" of the Priest touched it.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
If it is to be because of it being a "historical document". The class should be theology. That way they must cover EVERY religion. Not just KJV Christianity.
Making people flee religious persecution in their homelands and then persecuting others in "The New World" and of course justifying any evil they did in the name of "the true faith"..
But such teachers would be removed and unqualified but "doctrinally sound" teachers would replace them. It would be justified by their "violating the 1st amendment".
@@Scanner9631 most likely but anyone can read through the New Testament of the Bible and arm themselves with the information to destroy Christian Nationalism using their own words.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
I'm a Christian in Oklahoma. I'm not looking to debate my reasons and my beliefs. I HATE the idea of teachers pushing any religious texts on children. It's ultimately a personal choice.
Well, you had no choice-no "free will" so to say. You happily wear the badge of those believing some magical being talked the universe into existence from nothing. You are not a Christian-you are a human being that has been fooled into an unwarranted belief. There is no personal choice-well, hardly any-for children. They are hammered with that religious nonsense until their brain is mangled enough to accept the unbelievable as plausible.Look at you-do you truly believe some magical being enlivened a clod of soil by giving it a divine BJ?! Seriously? Now, to people who come from a culture where all that superstition is just some faint echo of the past, believers come across like toddlers clinging to the belief in Santa. How can a mentally sane adult person believe in magical beings? I don't get it. I have read the bible at the age of 8, and it is so nonsensical, so incongruent with the observable reality, I instantly knew it is garbage. How can you believe the contents of a book to be true when not even the names of the authors are known? It is ridiculous.
Actually reading the bible is a pretty good path to becoming atheist. I know it was for me. They could also teach about all the changes and edits by people using the bible to control the masses.
Reading it isn't enough. You have to THINK about it AND to QUESTION IT. Also you have to have enough knowledge to be able to understand it well enough to think about it. Most kids are made to read and ACCEPT it before they have the knowledge base to understand it.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
Walters should be told to be careful what you ask for. The best way to create atheists is to educate them on the Bible, make them read it cover to cover, and point out all of the contradictions in it.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
When Trump loses in November and the fighting to install him anyway eventually ends his power over MAGA will fail. Then MAGA vs MAGA infighting will destroy what is still called the Republican Party. A new more center party will emerge (and maybe a radical right party as well). Hopefully from this a new stability can be born.
If we must teach the bible as a historical document, we must also teach the Quran and Torah. Both cultures and their holy books also had a great impact on the creation of this country and the bible itself. The kids should learn about hinduism and taoism as well. Voodo and Santeria are also important if we're studying theology as a historical subject. If they want their holy book in schools, they better be ready to tolerate them all in schools, and for it to be treated as what it is. Mythology.
@@kevinkoch-jj1uj The bible is used to teach that the universe is 6000 years old. Science shows galaxies billions of light years away and light arriving from stars that exploded far before "creation". One can be tested the other is just "an old book of mythology". I believe the 1st as it passes all scientific tests.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
@Scanner9631 If your claim is "The bible is used to teach that the universe is 6000 years old" , "passes all scientific tests". You're are greatly misinformed or blatantly disingenuous. And your misrepresentation of current cosmology, "light arriving from stars that exploded before 'creation" tells me you are both. Keep trying.
@@jeannerogers7085 Pseudo-Christian Funny thing is he used to be a great example of The Good Samaritan. Now he wouldn't piss on a non MAGA if they were on fire, more likely to add gasoline.
I read the Divine Comedy in high school (all of it, not just the standard 4 cantos of Inferno). Today I teach college history, and I refer to the Bible a lot. A knowledge of it is essential when dealing with ancient civilizations of the Western tradition (not at all relevant for ancient Asia).
That's not at all what this is about though. This is about another christian nationalist trying to shove christianity into public schools. Don't pretend as if this is about historic context.
What is your point? That many parts of the Bible are referred to in much of Western classical literature? Sure. So are many of the standard European fairy tales (leave by a certain time or turn into a pumpkin, for example).
@@JaniceinOR My point exactly. Myths and legends are foundational to all societies, references to them appear repeatedly. Some knowledge of them is an essential part of history.
@@JaniceinOR Myths and legends can be a great source of insight on its attached cultural time period as they are often times allegory to what said culture/ time period valued, feared, and what natural/ political phenomena they were dealing with.
Parents need to be first in religious instruction and stop putting it on the teachers. Bible study should be arranged at their local church through their minister. Teachers are not qualified to teach my children what I feel they need to know.
Regarding your comment about "How can I hurt as many people as possible?" The problem is that these people don't believe they are hurting anyone, or at least that the hurt is necessary for correction. They truly think they are doing the best for these kids. That's the problem and why it's so difficult to change their minds. Once they get in the mode of thinking that what they are doing is a net positive (often no matter the means) then they will continue to do that, come hell or high water. The only way to stop them is to take them out of the position of power, or to change their mind, which is way harder.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
Do teachers have qualifications? Why not teach the Constitution? Force the bible on our teachers & our school children? Which region are they going to be forced to teach? VOTE BLUE to save our children from being indoctrinated by MAGA.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
OK resident here with children in public schools. I am not allowed to say what I'd like to say bc my comment would be flagged and taken down. I HATE that POS though!!
I think what we need to be teaching our students the TRUTH about slavery and what the Emancipation Proclamation actually did to the Released slaves. There is too much hidden history that needs telling. The founders of our country came here for religious freedom not religious fascism.
If possible, I’ll be the first to sign a law suit against Oklahoma schools. It’s ridiculous. I can’t believe I have to also worry about this with Oklahoma schools. 🙄
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
Somebody brought up Nex Benedict. Oklahoma is where I grew up. I experienced their schools and the rampant uncontrolled bullying. I still haven't forgiven or forgotten about either one.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
Fascism is one hell of a drug.
And the only rehab treatment is going cold turkey.
Sad & true...
@@DarkEdgePrinceooo sounds like we should import a certain item from France
I’m a retired minister, and I think I can speak for most every minister, priest, rabbi, and imam: LEAVE THE TEACHING OF RELIGION TO US! You don’t need to force it into the schools- anybody who wants to learn about this knows where the churches, synagogues and mosques are. We don’t want this any more than nonbelievers do.
More of you need to speak up.....
Honestly I wouldn't trust some of the churches either, because they sure don't like to explain Tradition and the whole sociohistory of why this interpretation and not that one.
Especially when that's currently the second-most fascinating thing I've studied as an agnostic... (most fascinating is the early christianity, how it got tangled up in Hellenic greek philosophy, how some denominations used syncretism, and how it evolved from early Jewish faith that itself distinguished itself from Canaanite faiths and....
Well the TL:DR; is that I honestly didn't expect to end up learning sociology, geopolitics, and just how marvelously interwoven society, spirituality, and politics have been for so much of human development.)
or how about not bothering, lets leave the hocus pocus in the past where it belongs, along with ignorance.
@@neoqwerty It’s a good point. My experience says that most churches don’t want to work that hard. It can be too uncomfortable.
@@neoqwertypoint is its a choice. you don't have to go to church but you do have to go to school until at least 16
I'm not sure I'd want a book full of murder, rape, incest, and polygamy in my kids' classroom.
Good point
Funny thing is that the Christians forcing this would say the same and deny that any of this is in the bible. Lack of reading ability I suppose and their minister doesn't read them those sections.
Those items are how many have had the Bible banned in states that seem bent on banning books they don't like.
It's why I got kicked out of creative writing class.
Should have said it was for a Holy book for my new religion, maybe I would have caught a break, or at least got a better therapist.
There's a spot in the old testament that parents eat their baby so add cannibalism the worst kind
Calling the Bible a historical document is like calling Spider-Man comics historical documents, except Spider-Man comics have done more good for the world than the Bible could ever dream of.
Good point!
Bu bu but, do not steal!😂
correct, the bible is NOT an historical account of anything....
The Bible has some use as a historical document, as very few documents of the time and place it was written could be called objective or neutral, but it is not taken by historians as the ultimate authority that mustn't be questioned.
@@Nemo12417
It's got about as much accurate as the Greek god stories, or Egyptian god stories
And we can decent just about as much accurate information as we can from them, too
Things like historical places and (some) practices
But they should also be corroborated with other more reliable documents of the time as well
Petty tyrant jumping on the Christian nationalist boat to get power
Bingo!!
No, he's actually a Christian "nationalist" pos.
As those pathetic types always do
That has been the foundation of Christianity since the Emperor of Rome made Christianity the religion of Rome.
@@stevethomas9320 The majority of the founders of this nation were atheists or deists . They saw the atrocities committed in Europe by state sponsored religion and decided the US would have none of it. That is why the establishment clause exists. Contrary to what these bigoted and hypocritical christians nationalist want to believe, the US was NOT founded as a christian nation.
Lest we forget the nazis were big on christian nationalism too. It also started with book bans.
Teachers need a law saying that they can outright refuse to participate in grooming children into religion.
What about Sunday School? Isn't that their job?
@@katydidiy
clearly I meant public school teachers as that was what this was about.
@@katydidiySunday School is taught by clergy & church staff in a church, not teachers & certainly not in schools.
@@katydidiy The state doesn't fund or run Sunday School(s). You can do whatever you like regarding religion on your own dime. When you use tax dollars, there are rules.
There is such a law. It's called the First Amendment.
I had to read the Bible for a lit class. We ripped into it as an allegorical morality tale with gratuitous sex and violence.
I would've loved to see that. Especially the religious teachers fumbling around trying to justify or explain it without sounding like they support that stuff.
And a poorly written one at that
Heh. Almost tempts me to go back to teaching in OK.
MAKE me teach from the Bible, Ryan! I DARE you! It will NOT go the way you intend!
Once again...republcians spreadig their "freedom"
Their freedom. The more freedom THEY TAKE the less there is for anyone else. Ultimately it will be total freedom for their Theocratic Dictator and none for anyone else, even them. Then, way to late, they will understand.
Freedom to be just like them.
And their fight against big gouvernment.
Since they want to privatize everything, they are promoting "feedom."
Free-dumb
Ryan Walters NEEDS TO BE REMOVED... PERIOD!!!
He was appointed by the governor, wasn’t he?
@@joanfregapane8683No. Unfortunately, the moron is elected. (Welcome to Oklahoma…)
He's a right wing radical Trump loving nut job. He needs to be fired along with the governor who appointed him.
He needs to be arrested
As a devout Christian ,and fervent believer in the separation of church and state, the idea of forcing public schools students to have and read the Bible in classrooms is ridiculous.
Maybe you should use this as a clue to get the hell out of that organization and think for yourself.
@@davidthompson7817can we just respect each others religions and not constantly try to push and pull people away from their beliefs
any work of fiction needs not to have such a hold?
Consider the fact that “RELIGIONS” and “GOD” are the most powerful tool of human manipulation in the world.
I went to a southern Baptist private school. I think forcing kids to read and learn about the bible is an amazing idea. There's no faster way to turn a kid against it.
Works better if you can get them to THINK about what they read not just accept it.
My mother was required to read it as a kid but I think that she was too young to understand most of it and she was jut taught to accept what she read, no questioning it.
I saw the Chariots of the Gods movie as a kid. I thought he had amazing arguments for his claims. I didn't know enough. I read the book as a early teen and saw how little he provided anything like solid evidence. I reread it in my late teens and saw how little was documented fact vs anecdotal. One of the stories for example "took place at A University", no name for the university or the researchers involved, so no ways to fact check, no explanation why the physics professors would let a source of "free energy" be destroyed rather than studied either, why didn't they keep it to go for a Nobel Prize?
My mother (and most believers) never get past that first step that I took with Chariots of the Gods. They don't get to the 2nd let alone 3rd step. Too bad.
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@@Scanner9631
Critical analysis is a skill, and like many skills it requires training and education to hone it. And we all wonder why conservatives tend to be anti-education?
I wonder what would happen if a School Board forced the Quran to be used in the classrooms?!
Those MAGAs would have quite the shit fit.
Seems fair. Equal time. They could require some Hitchens too.
If this passes muster, I say we all fight for just that... now the Wiccans, they really need to decide on a holy book quick so we can get them in to, and whoever else wants in on this culture party.
About the same as if every day in alphabetical order a different student led with their chosen prayer (or substitute reading) and an atheist, Buddhist or Moslem ever led with their own beliefs. A screaming hissy fit.
Years ago some of these people were visiting Congress when the opening prayer wasn't Christian and couldn't understand why their screaming and yelling to drown it out got them in hot water.
With these people it is always MY WAY or no way. They can't/won't accept a compromise where anyone else gets something.
Don’t forget the church of satan. They have a voice in this too. The satanic Bible in schools? It’s where we are headed.
Enforcing the bible's teachings in State Schools made England a predominantly Atheist Nation. You can't beat children with the cane and preach an all-loving god at the same time. We learned the hard way, that our children never have to.
And then there's these children being buried in church graveyards and aren't missed because they're orphans, the only one i know of is in Ireland, but i don't doubt that theres other places that used their power to kill a bunch of kids.
@@Imbatmn57I believe there is one in Canada & possibly the US.
@@beckydee715 I know they found a huge one in Canada, not sure about the U.S.
the US is a constitutionally secular nation. the US was designed as a rejection of divine providence.
Tell it to the King who is the head of the Anglican Church
Walters should be sued for not supporting the separation
of church and state. He is breaking the law. Arrest him.
I think they are waiting until he is stupid enough to fire someone so they can sue him.
Excellent
Sued? Maybe not, but fired for sure. If Walter's dumb idea had been put into action, the STATE would have been sued.
I think he wants that so it can go to the Supreme Court, which is likely to side with him. That's what a lot of these blatantly unconstitutional things are trying for right now. He knows it's wrong, but plans to use this current Supreme Court's extremism to claim it's acceptable nationwide.
I want freedom from religion ! It's a grift on society
Freedom of religion means Freedom from religion. Keep your fairytales to yourself
Walters has already lost control of his people. Time for him to step down or be legally removed. 2027 is too long to vote him out
Ryan's god is a sadistic psychopath.
So is Ryan. He tried to wreck the public schools in Tulsa last year by removing their accreditation
Our gods are like ourselves.
So it stands to reason.
Yea, trump
That is what Sunday school is for.
Dude is out of his mind. I worry about my kids going to school with him around.
So, pharmacists and doctors can refuse care based on their "closely held personal beliefs," but he thinks teachers don't have the right to refuse to break the law? Amazing.
Good point!
putting bibles in school is a direct violation of the separation clause of the Constitution.
no one under an oath of public trust can make any demand for bibles in schools, anywhere....
also, attempting to 'force' any actions that violate constitutional law constitutes seditious conspiracy against the US....we know this guy did not come up with this plan on his own, that means there is conspiracy to by force prevent the execution of the laws....
Bibles should be allowed in the school library. Under Mythology like all other religions.
@@Scanner9631 Unless your school district is banning other books they dont like for whatever reason. Because i can assure you that the Bible has far worse in it.
The interpretation of the clause by the highest court in the land can change over time.
They're anticipating being sued, so it can be appealed up to the Supreme Court.
How do you think the religious wackos sitting there in their black robes would rule on this softball?
The American Taliban, very disturbing.
I've been saying this for a long time.
exactly
And they are oblivious to the reality of this comparison.
Just like how Islam has ruined the countries in the Middle East Christianity will do the same thing here
That guy isn’t qualified to be a dog catcher
I certainly wouldn't want him around any living creature, however many legs they happen to have, and the idea that he has authority over any of them is pretty messed up. I have no doubt that he kicks puppies in his free time.
@@nathanmead9585
Why am I picturing him preaching to millipedes and going like "Look at how many legs you got! A hundred legs bad! Two legs good!"
Bible math: there are 3 days between Friday afternoon and Sunday dawn. Oh...wait
Bible sociology: take slaves of the nations around you. Oh ...wait.
Bible Language Arts: ...oh...wait.
Bible Science: are you serious right now?
Let's not forget biblical π, according to 1 Kings 7:23.
Matt Shea's "Biblical Justifications for War". Offer peace and only fight if they refuse it. Sounds good? Until you know that by peace they mean your absolute submission to them and their religion. Not much of an offer. Hardly better than what happens if you lose to them and they "kill all the males" (no exemption made for infants or anyone else) and all the females enslaved to them.
His definition of "Freedom" for his proposed "Liberty State". Be part of THEIR RELIGION or get the "f" out.
All this he says does not violate the constitution of the U.S.. Woeful lack of understanding of that document (or of honesty).
Such a "religion of peace and love".
And Bible geography: Tyre & Jericho no longer exist. Oh, wait!
@@solosynapse And more biblical geography: the Rivers Gihon & Pison, according to Genesis 2:10-13, both flow in a rough circle!
The font of biblical wisdom never runs dry! According to Genesis 4:22, one of the murderous Cain's descendants - Tubalcain, son of Zillah - was apparently responsible for launching both the Bronze and Iron Ages! Why have we not heard in our history classes about the greatest genius who ever lived?
I'll tell you why. Those mean old commies/socialists/leftists/Marxists/Antifa sympathizers are *withholding* this precious knowledge from our children trapped in the evil public schools run by the gubmint, that's why!
The first clause in the Bill of Rights states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” So any education group, or member of a state/county/city government who states that ONE religion WILL BE TAUGHT IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL is inviolation of the Bill of Rights. Sue the bastards. Even I, as a Witch, would NEVER try to force my world view on anyone else, especially school children.
Oh, well, if we're just going to make up what's factual and historical, I expect a copy of the Kama Sutra in every classroom.
The Epic of Gilgamesh and the Sumerian King List.
@@Scanner9631Don’t forget Greek mythology!
@@dragondancer1814And I'm sure students would like more Egyptian and Norse mythology too.
@@dragondancer1814 And Norse, hell while we're at it teach Egytian mythology as well
@@Hurricayne92 Why not? The more myths and legends from different cultures they learn, the more well-rounded their education will be!
There are people who the US to become the the Christian equivalent of Iran. They may not claim to think of it that way, but their actions speak loudly.
Parents are responsible for their children’s religions education not schools.
that's cold comfort
Religion: In the home & church only.
i would teach a class or two on the bible's take on slavery and mass murder.
And abortion, and misogyny, and incest.
Polygamy as well. Rights of women. Rape and its consequences.
@@Scanner9631 Or lack thereof
Everyone misses the scripture where a group of parents eat their child in the old testament and then they refuse to eat the other person's child and goes to the king for justice 😮😮 the Bible shouldn't be in schools except high-school levels
LoL
I have not noted a huge adherence to law among MAGA leaders. Just because it's against the law doesn't mean he won't do it.
Arrogance corrupts.
Absolute arrogance corrupts absolutely
Funny by breaking the law aren't they showing a lack of knowledge of the bible. Put them all in a locked room with their own personal copy of the bible with the relevant passages highlighted!!!
Thing is, by claiming the authority to make "rules" and then trying to enforce them...legal or not...they create the groundwork for a legal battle that'll almost certainly make its way to the Supreme Court. And we know the Federalist Society's/Supreme Court's views on this issue.
Christian Nationalists have a very authoritarian view on morality. Their god is just not matter the actions because HE is the ultimate authority. And since these Christian Nationalists side under said authority, that makes them moral by default.
@@nathanmead9585 President Biden’s going to stack the court,and Kamala is going to implement it.
Everyone in Oklahoma should feel blessed that every teacher there doesn’t just quit. They are paid and treated like cr@p - it’s like all teachers are in an abusive codependent relationship, who stay for the kids, and the abuse continues.
In the long run, they'd be doing the state a favor if they all walked out this fall, and refused to return until Walters apologizes and resigns. Anything less is condoning his behavior.
You are right about that. When I last visited Oklahoma, a beloved teacher's will asked that everyone who attended her funeral bring backpacks full of school supplied to be donated to the school rather than sending flowers. The entire community showed up with overflowing backpacks. The working people of Oklahoma are the finest you'll find anywhere in the world, but the government is rotten.
@@anitadees4223 wow. 😮 amazing -sacrificing to the very end.
This is the prime example of why teachers truly care about children and yet the population and the politicians through their actions and decisions do not. This is also why teachers get abused and taken advantage of because it’s like they are in a codependent abusive relationship and they stay for the kids, no matter what. Unfortunately, as a collective, if we just simply walked out and demanded, as I call it, the declaration of independence of education and demanded what we know is needed that maybe they will listen. Now I know some people reading this will say.” but I live in a right to work state we’re not allowed to strike.’. Well read your history of labor from the 1870s until the 1930s and there are plenty of people going on strike even when they sent the military out to put it down. From the strikes, we were able to get labor laws and even the women’s right to vote.
Good for Norman! That's my hometown, and one of the few good things about Oklahoma!
Your mayor is a horrible person. Tool of the rich. Worst mayor in Norman history.
The Bible can be a most impactful book, especially when thrown hard enough.
There are dictionaries that are larger, more massive and impactful. They also contain more KNOWLEDGE and have more use in your daily life.
@petem.3719 Indeed it is. It also makes a good doorstop, paperweight, and bug squisher.
Unless we’re squishing extra large roaches. Even yelling, “The power of Christ compels you” while slamming the book does no good. (What? It worked in The Exorcist movies.)
Roaches are either tiny, more powerful gods or devout atheists.
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@@Scanner9631
Yeah but does a dictionary have more dirty words than the Bible has dirty stories?
Because we all know what people read the dictionary for :P
@@stylesrj
A good one has words for things you never conceived of. Even for things you may wish you didn't now know existed.
I'm glad he did this early, I think it will help smaller districts, and those on the fence, follow his lead. Kudos to him for doing the right thing.
I am British and in elementary school, one teacher talked about the bible all the time would read from it too. In high school, one of my compulsory classes was religious instruction, all about the bible. On top of that, I was sent to Sunday school and would attend services with my grandma. All of this reinforced my belief from an early age that religion is used to control people and nothing I am interested in. 😅
Good. Ryan Walters can stuff it.
I think your right about Ryan Walters. He knows his statement is going to be shot down. He was making a play for Secretary of Education. Making a decree was the only real way to get noticed by TFG.
*@Kiraward,* your opening sentence, "I think your right about Ryan Walters" is wrong in that you used the possessive "your" instead of the accusative "you're".
@@neilforbes416 absolutely a central point to this discussion. 🙄
@@lynnefox4892 The way Kirraward wrote is an example of the *WOEFUL* standard of American education. The use of the possessive "Your" instead of the accusative "You're" shows the world how ignorant she is of that which is supposed to be her "Mother Tongue".
@@neilforbes416 - it could have been a typo. Don't be a pedantic tw@t.
@@neilforbes416 is an example of the WOEFUL standard of American education.
More it is an example of people not proof reading and typing the wrong homonym.
Now people typing payd instead of paid is more of an example of bad spelling especially as most of them have access to spell checkers which will be telling them it is wrong.
Couldnt find any algebra in the Bible. Nothing on the founding of the US. It doesnt even mentions once the constitution. In fact it talks about kings and slavery.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
@@jengathoughts Yeah, its about pushing their religion on other people.
This is why the US was founded as a secular nation. Because those people came from a place where the crown would persecute Catholics or protestants, depending on the religion of the ruling monarch.
I thank Super Intendent Chalmers for his insight .
> " A prayer in school ? ".
> " Facts are not in church ".
Thank you Super Nintendo Chalmers!
He's expecting to be b- slapped down to curry favor for C. Nationalists. This is just a stepping stone
Politicians often upset and anger, as someone who lives in Oklahoma there's constant BS like this.
Edit: Norman is one of, if not the most liberal city in all of Oklahoma.
Ay! A fellow Oklahomie! Raised at the border of oklahoma and Arkansas but now I live in OKC. I'm glad to hear it's not completely conservative around here like it is back home
If he loses in court he should have to pay for it out of his own pocket. Why should tax payers have to pay for something no one is asking for...
Someone really hurt this Walters guy 😂😂😂
Probably his minister. 😇
People trying to send this country down a horrible path is really pissing me off.
yep. it's very scary
Please continue to cover Ryan Walters. Oklahoman here living under his christian nationalism is crazy and more people need to be discussing it.
I am a Oklahoma resident and I am going to help get rid of this guy. The Republican party is no longer trustworthy!
Ideologies aside, it just seems incredibly impractical to mandate something like that. Especially since the bible would be relevant to very little of what's taught in public schools...
I also wonder if they would accept any version of the Bible or want a specific one?
@@Hurricayne92 Make it the Hebrew one. At least that way the kiddos will learn another language while they're at it. And after all, it IS standard practice to go back the source material, right?
Oh, darn, Ryan Walters was really going to spice up classroom discussions. I can hear it now. "But teacher, where did Lot's daughters get wine?" "My uncle gets drunk but that doesn't make my cousins have babies."
We need more students like the ones in Carry On Teacher.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
@@jengathoughts
Put expurgated versions in the public school libraries and the full version in high school libraries. Give the same punishment to kids bringing the unexpurgated one to a public school that they would get for a pornographic novel. Do the same for other "Holy" works.
See them go (more) insane.
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For that matter, where did Cain and Abel come from? Ah! Incest is best.
Good! About time someone took a stand against this bs. I’m a Christian and I don’t want some random educator pushing their ideals on my kids and grandkids.
I saw a news report about multiple Christian groups that are condemning this mandate. And, there are several districts in Oklahoma that are following Norman ISD, and refusing to follow this memo.
@@biekgiek I love when some bigot gets very loudly reminded that his crappy niche denomination is just one in over 40k+ that get put under the umbrella term of Christianity/Christendom.
Good on all the denominations that see this for what it is: some petty crapheads trying to drag the divine right of kings back out of the landfill it was buried in centuries ago.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
@@jengathoughts Ha ha, yeah. I remember hearing a news story that due to book ban criteria, there was at least one school district that had to remove the bible. A quick google search informs me that it was actually several, in multiple, conservative majority states. And, I'll check out the Song of Solomon.
If God didn't want you to go to hell then he would get rid of it
If God was really a perfect, loving god, he never would have made Hell in the first place.
No, it’s woke. Hell is necessary. /s
@@squidgert566 Believing in and endorsing a literal Hell is more perverse than child fucking.
There's no hell in the bible! Therefore it's a made-up bulshit by Man to control Men, it's like they're trilogy😂
I've read the Bible cover to cover there is no mention of Hell in that book, in the Greek side of the Bible the New Testament Jesus mentioned Gahanna burning forever and that's a real Park in Jerusalem😂
It's like their trilogy is made up BS to control you, tell them to kick rocks.
it’s about time someone stands up to these lunatics
James Iredell (who became an Associate Supreme Court Justice appointed by Washington): It would be fine if Americans would choose representatives with no religion or choose pagans.
I’ve been saying for years that only Agnostics or Atheists should be allowed to become judges / politicians.
Nice to see some counties pushing back.
"Strict compliance is expected!" Lol, "Make me!"
Power corrupts.
Absolute power
corrupts absolutely.
Alternatively, it is the corrupted who seek absolute power to begin with.
Oklahoman here: Normon, OK, is the home of the University of Oklahoma. This has made it the most liberal district in the state. I'm not surprised this superintendent has done this, and I'm sure he will be successful.
The thing that I have not heard anyone say yet, but is clearly true, is that one of the main reasons schools in Oklahoma and Louisiana are being forced to use Bible materials in the classroom is because they are trying to force a lawsuit. They can then take it as high in the court system as possible, hopefully to the Supreme Court, in order to get a new ruling about church/state separation. They believe the conservative court we have right now will rule that using biblical material in schools is fine, and that it doesn't go against the constitution at all. Unfortunately, they may rule just that.
I want the Quran in Oklahoma public schools. Religious freedom!
@@razony I don't want any religious books to be taught from in American schools, thank you very much.
@@Irisarc1
Neither do I. Just making a point.
Thank you!!
A school district would be foolishly wasting tax dollars to do this without a guarantee that the state was going to cover all legal expenses and judgements when they get sued.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
IMHO Religion and ideology should be out of schools, save for any specific lessons on religion... of which, all types of religions should be covered. I'm just an Aussie watching your channel and stuff happening over in the US though.
If they teach religion then they should teach every single one and if ideology will not be taught then you can't teach what country you are from or any of the flags cause that is nationalism an ideology.
In the 1970s a group of atheist and Hindu parents in California refused to allow their children to recite the Pledge of Allegiance because of "under God." The students were ultimately required to recite the pledge but allowed to go silent on "under God."
@@pizaclatonddd3081 National values I don't look at as an ideology.
@@nomenclature9373yeah but later in California they ruled it can not be compelled at all and why should it especially with native Americans here who have their own nation.
🎉Yay, Nick Migliorino-Superintendant of the Norman Public Schools! WooHoo!🎊
It's almost like there weren't many books printed back in the day and that made the Bibble so influential...
For most of the time the Bible has existed Priest taught you from the Bible, YOU didn't read it or touch it with your "profane hands" only the "sanctified hands" of the Priest touched it.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
If it is to be because of it being a "historical document". The class should be theology. That way they must cover EVERY religion. Not just KJV Christianity.
True, the Bible was instrumental in the founding of our nation. But not how Ryan thinks it was.
Making people flee religious persecution in their homelands and then persecuting others in "The New World" and of course justifying any evil they did in the name of "the true faith"..
The Protestant vs Catholic debacle going on across the pond was reason enough for the Founding Fathers to not want any of that.
Throw him in prison for violating teachers and students civil rights
TBH if teachers did use the Bible to teach from they could easily use it to dismantle evangelical viewpoints because Biblical Jesus is a progressive.
But such teachers would be removed and unqualified but "doctrinally sound" teachers would replace them. It would be justified by their "violating the 1st amendment".
@@Scanner9631 most likely but anyone can read through the New Testament of the Bible and arm themselves with the information to destroy Christian Nationalism using their own words.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
I'm a Christian in Oklahoma. I'm not looking to debate my reasons and my beliefs. I HATE the idea of teachers pushing any religious texts on children. It's ultimately a personal choice.
Well, you had no choice-no "free will" so to say. You happily wear the badge of those believing some magical being talked the universe into existence from nothing. You are not a Christian-you are a human being that has been fooled into an unwarranted belief. There is no personal choice-well, hardly any-for children. They are hammered with that religious nonsense until their brain is mangled enough to accept the unbelievable as plausible.Look at you-do you truly believe some magical being enlivened a clod of soil by giving it a divine BJ?! Seriously? Now, to people who come from a culture where all that superstition is just some faint echo of the past, believers come across like toddlers clinging to the belief in Santa. How can a mentally sane adult person believe in magical beings? I don't get it. I have read the bible at the age of 8, and it is so nonsensical, so incongruent with the observable reality, I instantly knew it is garbage. How can you believe the contents of a book to be true when not even the names of the authors are known? It is ridiculous.
Oklahoma teachers: “Now they want us to make bricks without straw?”
I’m from Oklahoma and I’m embarrassed to live here
Wouldn’t have expected Norman of all districts to say that….hell yeah, Norman, OK!
Good! There are indeed sane people in Oklahoma.
Actually reading the bible is a pretty good path to becoming atheist. I know it was for me. They could also teach about all the changes and edits by people using the bible to control the masses.
Reading it isn't enough. You have to THINK about it AND to QUESTION IT. Also you have to have enough knowledge to be able to understand it well enough to think about it. Most kids are made to read and ACCEPT it before they have the knowledge base to understand it.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
Oklahoma will soon be ranked 50th in education
Walters should be told to be careful what you ask for. The best way to create atheists is to educate them on the Bible, make them read it cover to cover, and point out all of the contradictions in it.
Ryan is hell bent on creating a lot of atheists in Oklahoma, and I support that.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
Thank you for your voice. I am so tired. Just worn out with the rampant stupidity. You have helped keep me sane.
When Trump loses in November and the fighting to install him anyway eventually ends his power over MAGA will fail. Then MAGA vs MAGA infighting will destroy what is still called the Republican Party. A new more center party will emerge (and maybe a radical right party as well). Hopefully from this a new stability can be born.
If we must teach the bible as a historical document, we must also teach the Quran and Torah. Both cultures and their holy books also had a great impact on the creation of this country and the bible itself. The kids should learn about hinduism and taoism as well. Voodo and Santeria are also important if we're studying theology as a historical subject. If they want their holy book in schools, they better be ready to tolerate them all in schools, and for it to be treated as what it is. Mythology.
Taught about the creation myths in my astronomy class. Then we did science.
@@kevinkoch-jj1uj
The bible is used to teach that the universe is 6000 years old.
Science shows galaxies billions of light years away and light arriving from stars that exploded far before "creation". One can be tested the other is just "an old book of mythology". I believe the 1st as it passes all scientific tests.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
@Scanner9631 If your claim is "The bible is used to teach that the universe is 6000 years old" , "passes all scientific tests". You're are greatly misinformed or blatantly disingenuous. And your misrepresentation of current cosmology, "light arriving from stars that exploded before 'creation" tells me you are both. Keep trying.
At least Oklahoma has some good people willing to push back against this Christian BS.
I thought I knew one. He has gone full MAGA and since I'm still centrist has pronounced me to be "fascist".
Pseudo-Christian
@@jeannerogers7085 Pseudo-Christian
Funny thing is he used to be a great example of The Good Samaritan. Now he wouldn't piss on a non MAGA if they were on fire, more likely to add gasoline.
Not enough to keep Christofascism out of their government.
@@Scanner9631 Wait, he called YOU a fascist? Lol.
Reporter: "Will you give into the demands?"
"Nah" chuckles local superintendent
"God has no place in these walls. Just like facts and reason do not belong in organised religion!"
- Superintendent Chalmers
I read the Divine Comedy in high school (all of it, not just the standard 4 cantos of Inferno).
Today I teach college history, and I refer to the Bible a lot. A knowledge of it is essential when dealing with ancient civilizations of the Western tradition (not at all relevant for ancient Asia).
That's not at all what this is about though. This is about another christian nationalist trying to shove christianity into public schools. Don't pretend as if this is about historic context.
What is your point? That many parts of the Bible are referred to in much of Western classical literature? Sure. So are many of the standard European fairy tales (leave by a certain time or turn into a pumpkin, for example).
@@JaniceinOR My point exactly. Myths and legends are foundational to all societies, references to them appear repeatedly. Some knowledge of them is an essential part of history.
@@JaniceinOR
Myths and legends can be a great source of insight on its attached cultural time period as they are often times allegory to what said culture/ time period valued, feared, and what natural/ political phenomena they were dealing with.
Ok, so teach about the stories from all cultures, not just Bible stories.
Parents need to be first in religious instruction and stop putting it on the teachers. Bible study should be arranged at their local church through their minister. Teachers are not qualified to teach my children what I feel they need to know.
Regarding your comment about "How can I hurt as many people as possible?"
The problem is that these people don't believe they are hurting anyone, or at least that the hurt is necessary for correction. They truly think they are doing the best for these kids. That's the problem and why it's so difficult to change their minds. Once they get in the mode of thinking that what they are doing is a net positive (often no matter the means) then they will continue to do that, come hell or high water.
The only way to stop them is to take them out of the position of power, or to change their mind, which is way harder.
Thanks for shining a light on this rat.
This happened in Bixby Ok as well. The superintendent is refusing to have the teachers incorporate the bible.
I’m a catholic and a parent……teach education and leave everything thing else to the parents! Boundaries pls!
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
As an okie this warms my heart!
Do teachers have qualifications? Why not teach the Constitution? Force the bible on our teachers & our school children? Which region are they going to be forced to teach?
VOTE BLUE to save our children from being indoctrinated by MAGA.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
The “oh yes they will” response gave me panto vibes 😂
Thank you to the superintendent for having some common sense.
This guy needs to be fired before he warps our kids!
Got yourself a subscriber just from the second half of the video; personal comments from an insightful and intelligent place, really liked it.
He makes my stomach turn
OK resident here with children in public schools. I am not allowed to say what I'd like to say bc my comment would be flagged and taken down. I HATE that POS though!!
Most people believe in SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! We don't want or need crazy people dictating religious beliefs on all of us.
I live in Oklahoma. You are correct about Walters' ambitions. If the Secretary of Education doesn't work out, he will run for governor 🙄
He will be fired within 2 weeks.
I think what we need to be teaching our students the TRUTH about slavery and what the Emancipation Proclamation actually did to the Released slaves.
There is too much hidden history that needs telling.
The founders of our country came here for religious freedom not religious fascism.
The second you mentioned Betsy DeVos, I wanted to puke all over. The most unqualified cabinet selection ever.
If possible, I’ll be the first to sign a law suit against Oklahoma schools. It’s ridiculous. I can’t believe I have to also worry about this with Oklahoma schools. 🙄
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.
I’m a state representative in Oklahoma. Fighting this all the way. Walters is all about self-promotion, nothing more.
I represent central Norman. Proud of our schools.
Somebody brought up Nex Benedict. Oklahoma is where I grew up. I experienced their schools and the rampant uncontrolled bullying. I still haven't forgiven or forgotten about either one.
Ryan what’s his face is being hella unconstitutional and should be fired.
look up the Song of Solomon, it is a book of sexual inuendo, its a sex poem in the bible, and they want to take sex books out of school, so I guess the bible needs to be banned from school from their logic. I actually agree with this, that it should be banned for this reason.