Nicol Bolas vs Kozilek vs Golos vs Breya EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering
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Trevor vs. Cyriaque, and also two other guys are there.
More like Clayton actively helping Trevor, by preventing Jerkis from playing while also taxing resources from Cyriaque who tries to keep him relevant... only for him to keep wasting stuff.
Dude cyriaque was one of the first to die
As soon as I saw Clayton choosing to begin going after Jurkis instead of Trevor, I said to myself "welp Trevor is going to win". Sure enough...
Yeah that was a terrible misplay. Trevor was already established as the strongest player on the board and Annihilator is essentially the only way you slow down Golos at that point short of MLD.
Yea, that was the some of the worst threat assessment I've ever seen.
I had the same thought. One swing at Trevor would have changed a lot of the game.
Trevor had a Glacial Chasm
Edit: my bad, doesn't stop attacks
@@MayhemMessiah Well, a second annihilator attack at Trevor certainly would have helped, but that's not actually where I saw the problem start. Let me explain.
Basically, anyone who's ever faced off against Golos lands (or really most lands decks) knows that once the lands player gets to critical mass, it's hard to stop them. This means that either A) the table kills the player or B) kills enough lands that they can't get rolling long enough (which is hard to do since removal that targets lands isn't common and mass land destruction is verboten).
Now, when Trevor got Glacial Chasm at 8:10, that started setting off alarm bells in my head. Basically, Trevor was attempting to head off one of the two ways he could be stopped; the smartest thing was for someone to spend precious land removal on chasm then the table dogpiles him while he spends time loaming it back.
At 9:11, when Clayton played Spine of Ish Sah, I momentarily sighed in relief since it seemed like he was trying to enact this plan. But instead, he targeted...someone ELSE'S land removal. If I'm Trevor at this point, I'm dancing on the inside, since my opponents are canceling out each other's scant land removal, which makes me much more likely to win.
Then of course, there's also the thing with Kozilek. Clayton did attack Trevor once, which went some distance towards solution B. But then he attacked Jurkis 2 times as well, instead of sending all 3 at Trevor. If he had done the latter, it most likely would have sufficiently nerfed Trevor to make him a little behind the other players at the table, but still with a chance for coming back. Instead, Clayton chose to essentially knock an ally against Trevor out of the game, yet again giving Trevor an out to one of the only ways of stopping him.
tl;dr threat assessment is important and actively hurting non-archenemies is bad (you should help them instead!)
This may be an unpopular opinion, but with Golos and Windgrace decks running around, i think its time we embrace land destruction.
This is not unpopular - people just like to whine
@@eliakimrodrigues Numot the devastator it is. Dragons and land destruction :D
Run nonbasic land destruction like from the ashes or wave of vitriol. They let you replace the lands with basics, but most Golos decks (mine included) run only 1 copy of each basic land. Meaning that even though they get to replace their lands they don’t get any more than 5 max
I’ve been telling my group to do this for a while with “my deck is built greedy until you guys punish me for it” which they haven’t.
@@apophis456
I mean if you run in a consistent play group with varying decks or the same ones, then it's only their fault they don't build Dex to combat yours. I usually don't like land destruction but that's case where it's fair game because it's a viable tactic against a certain deck
The issue is it’s not land destruction that people hate strip mine is fine it’s the armegedon thats the problem because it hits even the players who aren’t playing greedy
I keep strongly advocating to people I talk to that land hate is essential for checks and balances in EDH. I tell my playgroup and others that they should run blood moon, spreading seas, and non basic land hate at the very least. They say "they don't want to be mean." You just have to be able to interact with lands more then just one ghost quarter or strip mine. Look I'm always the "play more basics" guy, but I've become intentionally over the top greedy on my Mana basis to help show the problem. Hopefully change will come soon in peoples minds.
Side note: Armagheddon can be a legit win con but if you sling it around without purpose, you aren't going to make friends. 👍
I disagree on a lot of this there is no greedy mana base because you have to run 40 lands it doesn’t matter how many basics you play either you won’t be able to cast your spells consistently or you’ll never draw out of that blood moon in your three color deck because you didn’t draw your 15 basics. Also about the other land hate the issue is decks are already so stuffed full of other things that making room for a spreading seas just isn’t worth it to cut off one land and any problematic land can be answered by strip mine or ghost quart or tectonic edge or beast within or generous gift and finally armageddon is not a win con ever even if you ulamog then armeggdon somebody can still go land swords and now you’ve pissed everybody off because now the game just got reset for nothing
@@peewee130946 Armageddon is very much a wincon in decks that rely upon artifact Mana or if you have a way of protecting your lands. Armageddon + teferi's protection or just simply having 7+ Mana in artifacts ends the game, and it's really just the other players own fault if they don't scoop to such a clear and decisive advantage. I don't understand why people get salty about mass LD when it's used properly as a wincon, but see no problem with the mono blue turns deck stuffing their list full of 15+ counterspells. I would rather someone have a stall card that can possibly just end the game
trenton preston the people who hate land destruction also hate the Counterspell deck
trenton preston and again that wouldn’t be a wincon I have 7 mana worth of rocks and armeggedon you don’t win it takes multiple turns to win after that
trenton preston also they way you bring up counterspells and extra turns makes me think you get salty over those so does that make you any better than the people who get salty over Armageddon
You blew my mind when you connected the dots comparing Golos to Sad Robot.
Clayton going after jurkis was a dick move. Jurkis did nothing to deserve it and he was not winning either.
In claytons defence a deck like kozilek can be rather explosive and disruptive, however jurkis had a terrible starting hand he should never have kept.
@@jaredgarden2455 What a deck COULD do vs. the board state they're currently in are two VERY different things at times. Jurkis wasn't popping off to get 2 annihilator swings at him while the golos player was burying the board. It felt like a "aiming for 2nd place" series of plays on Clayton's fault. Jurkis DID keep a trash opening hand though, like you pointed out. Who keeps with 3 lands, no ramp, and 7+ drops in hand? That was an easy pitch and he kept it.
The threat assessment was really poor this game; Golos was popping off from the get-go yet Clayton kept throwing his removal and Kozilek at Jurkis instead.
The dude had a vendetta or something against Jurkis, or the deck Jurkis is running gives him nightmares
It was pretty bad
I kept thinking that I must be missing something. This game was hard to watch and not really entertaining at all..
Yeh and Karn exiling something from hand rather than field was another huge misplay
@@mgarratt101 That counter stopping path was like "wtf is going on? Is there another player on board that wants kozilek to stay alive other than the kozilek player?" The threat assessment this game was on par with what my group does usually. I could have an empty field and one card in hand and they'd be like "swing at the golos player with an empty board state cause he COULD top deck something".
Cyriaque is such a cool name. Everyone had such a cool deck
That's the first time I ever seen a Golos deck work off of land interaction. Golos is so busted you can basically make almost any kind of build with him.
I like the golas lands deck it’s a lot of fun the other golas decks are just good stuff decks
I feel like this game showcases the issues people have with 5 color commander design now. If you told me someone was not only reliably getting cabal coffers, urborg, and field of the dead in a 5 color deck, but also using them without any issue to their consistency, and I didn't know Golos existed, I'd call you crazy. The fact a 5 color deck can reliably do this is just wild.
Open ended 5 color commanders are extremely detrimental to the format and I really hope they stop printing them
I wanted to play with my friends but when i started testing Golos i saw how broken he is to the point of not having fun playing with it.
@@SeniorAdrian I built Golos because it seemed like a funny meme, but it accidentally just turned into 5 color archenemy playing all the greediest spells. I think the only game I didn't go nuts by turn 6 was the one where someone (very wisely) named Golos with a Pithing Needle.
I've found urborg and cabal are way too greedy in my golos deck. Field of the dead is a bit underwhelming unless you're playing the land's strategy. Now it's awesome cause I always get world tree and every land is a command tower now. It's super cool. Getting people salty with big value good stuff bombs is absolutely the most fun way to play.
Narrator: Clayton looks over at the large board that Trevor has, Clayton enters battle and attacks Jurkis.
Trevor then pops off.
Clayton then draws for turn staring at jurkis almost empty board. He then enters battle with kozilek and attacks Jurkis again. The entire table is confused.
Also, Trevor must make really good money because every deck he has is completely blinged out and full of the most expensive cards in magic.
Those players are usually the scariest too.
@@ryoujizero2909 yep spikes to beat them you combo out with mono b or make their threats irrelevant consistently
Proxies babyyyyyy.
I can hear Toccata and Fugue in D minor in the background and I have stopped paying attention to the game and just listen to the music.
Yup, he liked my comment also. It's nice to have a good mtg content creator who has also a good taste in music.
Who plays thoughtseize in EDH?
Don’t understand why the Spine of Ish Sah targeted a lux cannon with all the stuff Trevor had on board, and yeah, that Kozilek had to keep attacking Trevor.
It's nice seeing a non-insta combo win Golos deck. I can't tell you how many times I've seen that budget Golos deck
You mean like using scapeshift... which he had... in combo with prismatic omen... which he had...and valakut... which he had.. to instantly win?
@@blinky101 Maybe he/she is talking about Maze's End.
Blinky101 D that’s not an instant win, it’s a win condition. That’s like saying any deck that wins by combat damage, regardless of life total just “plays a creature and instantly wins”
Price of Progress would have done some serious work at this table, which is why it's in every xR deck I play
Yep, Price is a surprisingly good card that doesn't see as much play as it should
"Clayton plays Spine of Ish Sah, blowing up Jurkis's Lux Cannon"
What
"Hmm, should I blow up the 4 mana artifact that destroys one permanent every 4 turns, or the land that makes 15 mana every turn?
The cannon is easily way more threatening, I'll kill that one"
I'm also not sure why he targeted Dark Depths with the second Spine, especially considering that Trevor could just make the 20/20 in response. Clayton could have chumped the token for days with his Thopters, so I'd much rather use the Spine on that goddamn coffers
How have i not discovered you before!! Such good content. Its usually hour and a half long videos for edh but the editing and swiftness of these videos is just superb.
Clayton threw so hard. He could have disrupted the player about to win but instead kept hitting the player in last.
Countering Path targeting Kozilek instead of tap draw.
some proper threat assessment right here.
Kozilek would have dealt with Trevor's value land en masse if Clayton actually threw it his way.
Annihilator forces Trevor to lose lands, which helps against Valakut and slightly with Coffers, especially if he could do it multiple turns in a row.
Honestly pretty sure bolas player stopped that in hopes it would allow for an annihilator attack on Golos who had no way to stop at that point. But instead he attacked the guy with nothing going on. Again!
I was just about to brew Sidisi and Breya.. And here you are, providing two games a week apart with these as the commanders. Love ya!
The Nici B deck be hella pimped
Doesnt ral scry 1 instead of 2?
My thoughts exactly
I think I misspoke. I mentioned that he keeps one on top and puts one to the bottom.
If its ral storm conduit then yes it's only scry 1
Massive misplay
In the video even though there is a brief cut, it looks like he does exactly that, put 1 card on bottom and 1 on top. :/
Ral, Storm Conduit is a Scry 1 btw!
Whoops! I may have misspoken. Sorry.
Oof. It feels like every Golos deck is either a lands deck or a value deck these days. There's no panache.
I've seen golos cycling, zombies (no fotd), group hug, 9 cmc tribal, Eldrazi, wuburg tribal, squirrels and a few others.
I play golos good stuff bombs. It's fantastic. Super fun.
I love how Trevor kicked the brothers' asses after getting focused by them. GJ Trevor! (Also love the fact that there were no insta-win combos once again).
The threat assessment was ridiculous. Trevor should've been targeted by the kozilek annihilator most of the game, it's obvious his deck is the most powerful. Also I hate that land destruction is looked down upon, the guys deck was seriously half lands!
Wow Trevor had a great start! Golos is quickly becoming a commander with a reputation, and I feel that the only play that would have stopped him from winning was being attacked for another annihilator 4 trigger.
A thoughtseize in edh? Wut
People think it's good cause it has no restriction..
@@DiabloTommaso hymn to touroch is better ; )
I approve of the Toccata and Fugue in D minor.
I'd like to see wizards make several versions of fairly low CMC blood moon lite effects that nerf all non-basic lands in play. Making each player decide which one kind of basic their non-basics will be until the thing generating the effect leaves play. So people are still able to play many of their spells (except for the most color-diverse decks) but can't steamroll opponents with critical masses of high-power stuff like cradle, coffers, depths, maze, Khans fetches, etc. Lands decks can do with having to give up some more slots to removal.
Mono-green ramp is kind of a separate issue and we could use a extra lands played per turn nerf effect that makes lands played in excess of the first one each turn return to hand right after entering play or gain a counter meaning the additional lands only untap under some moderately challenging condition.
I would be so unbelievably mad if I was Jurkis in this game lol, especially after the second Kozilek swing
I would've just picked up my cards and told Clayton "Okay have fun losing to Trevor"
eye-let
Good to know! Thank you
Some big boi commanders
And bolas
When I saw that Trevor was playing a land's matter deck, and knowing my playstyle is similar to his, I was hoping that this was a 5-color Valakut deck. I've made 2, 3 and 4 color Valakut decks before, but have yet to make a 5 color one.
Dryad of illysian grove probably makes that feasible no?
I wish there was a good showing of Kozilek here, I just built the deck, and It would have been nice to see what works and what doesn't
Have you seen the episode of Game Knights where Ashlyn Rose plays Kozy?(:
And here is a great example of why Lux cannon is not a good card. Four mana, two turns of doing nothing, then blown up. It attracts unrealistic levels of anxiety from the table and should be avoided.
Also - need to mulligan and run every mana rock under the sun. Turn 4-5 Kozi is the goal.
Jansen Mayfield yeah it’s fantastic
Clayton's threat assessment hurts my very soul, sometimes I wonder that some people simply doesn't look at the board state and just swing at random
While Mass Land destruction is Taboo I'd say something that destroys all nonbasic lands would have been lovely in resetting the archenemy state the game was in. I understand that MLD is taboo because people can just play it for the lolz but it would be lovely to be able to do something against Lands decks. Because unless you have them effectively dogpiled or they draw like garbage they can just go off over and over again because lands are the most permanent ramp in EDH since Land destruction is so rare.
Exactly
There's a few 4 Mana sorceries and blood moon/ back to basics effects that hose non basics if it's a real problem in your playgroup
Annnnnd I still think Golos is fundamentally broken as a commander. Just my shit opinion that no one asked for. Took the whole table plus being hit by Annih 4 to keep it at bay. Ridiculous xD
Y well. My jodah deck used golos at the helm last time i played (and for me it was the 1st time actually using golos). I was not able to golos his ability once cuz he kept being removed by 'destroy target creature' AND destroy artifact effects. But the trade off was that i just recast it for hitting more land drops and getting fist of the suns + jodah on the table and used THOSE abilities to win. Golos is only as broken as the rest of the deck. Mainly the shit i see on UA-cam with all those expensive ass cards in it 'break' him.
Golos Lands decks are usually unfairly balanced just because you don’t attack lands in commander as an unwritten rule.
What I do is run non basic land destruction in all of my decks, like from the ashes or wave of vitriol. Most Golos lands decks only run 1 of each basic land so even though those cards let you replace the non basics with basics, the Golos player can lose 20 lands and only get a maximum of 5 back
@@apophis456 I agree that non-basic LD is an answer. The problem with that is Golos decks usually run extra turn spells and ways to recur the lands you destroy(Life from the Loam, Sun Titan, Crucible of Worlds are just a few) making you have answers almost every single turn. Golos also brings a land with him so even if you remove him all the player needs to do is play his land for turn to cast him again. Im not saying he is unbeatable, I just have the bad opinion that Golos breaks commander tax and doesn't get punished by being removed (actually nets a land tutor when he gets removed) which are huge problems when you tie in his activated ability as well on top of that.
@@sasukeds I can see where you are coming from. Maybe it's just cuz i am not in a competitive environment (i only use basics and cheap taplands) and the lands themselves simpky don't pose a threat
Asarei I agree. Annihilator is another way to deal with it but you are correct, Golos does feel “cheaty” in a way because his commander tax goes 1,3,5,7 instead of 2,4,6,8 AND he can rip 3 cards for free just for having 7 lands
Cyriaque sounds like a legendary Dimir creature.
Oh I’m such an addict thanks mudd too bad I don’t get to see you stomping tomer anymore
I run a Kozilek eldrazi deck, lots of fun to play but it makes you a target
Cyriaque is the name of my dnd campaign villian lmao
Cyriaque scry’d 2 off of Ral, but Ral’s +2 says scry 1...
I'm not sure how familiar Jurkis is with Big K, but I wouldn't keep a hand without at least one form of ramp. Every game I have sat by watching others play was because I had a slow start.
Now I understand why my Golos needed to become a Garth library. Dude just 2v1 those brothers with lands.. Didn't even hit anything crazy off activations 🤣 It all makes sense now
Great videos! I was just wondering if we could see how many cards in hand for each player. Love your channel!
Ral is just Scry 1 :( I know this from playing his infinite copy-spell combo kill in Standard
I just looked at the Golos deck and saw 47 lands. My Windgrace deck doesn't even come close to that XD
Same. Thought my Windgrace is land/greveyard deck. Greater Good into Living Death win con.
It's more embarrassing that he won. You just can't have that many threats or ramp when your manabase is that large. It's like...doubly embarrassing that Clayton didn't just take the golos player out of the game with kozilek. Ugh.
around 16:40 it seems there is an urborg in play making all lands swamps, aren't you missing a bunch of dread presence triggers from the fetchlands?
Don't get me wrong but it was somewhat satisfying seeing the Golos player practically going solo agaist the other three
Ah it was nice to come Bach and listen to the audio
Trevor's decks are always impressive.
Didn't Trevor have Urborg? Wouldn't dread presence trigger everytime a land entered?
I think youre right, its similar to www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/c637cs/question_about_urborg_tomb_of_yawgmoth/
Cyriaque had the Urborg
Clayton isnt the shiniest marble in the jar now is he??🙄😂
Besides Andrew himself, Trevor is my fav part of this channel, his decks are always powerhouses and the games are just great to watch.
I think high power decks are only fun to watch if paired against similar power decks. Which wasn't really the case here.
I don't criticize Clayton. If I can keep a Kozilek deck out of that critical Kozilek mana, I will do so.
Never forget Ashlen Rose and her Kozilek deck at GameKnights...
Is Clayton upset with Jurkis for not exiling the Marit Lage (due to hand motions)? If so, I don't think that Clayton has any footing for being upset as he is pummeling the kozilek player.
But why didn't Trevor cast scrying THEN seasons past to get the scrying back as well?
He probably wanted to shuffle seasons past away from the bottom.
@@dennisyoung6122 When the game was that locked up? It's certainly possible but I'd imagine getting an extra value land to close the game out would be better. Not like he picked a wrong play pattern though, obviously haha.
WOW trevors Golos was awesome! great game and great music
pretty nice golos deck! good game!
My Windgrace deck is tuned and ready to make a showing on the channel! I think you'd be impressed
The I thought people dealt with golos is enchanting him with something grasp of fate or darksteel mutation. I am also in artifacts so I have acess to torrmods crypt in case they get recurring value from grave as seen here.
Mudhole : D
@@kingfuzzy2 I've never head of that card! Ty for recommendation.
@@arjundargula9355 my pleasure ( :
Cyriaque sounds like a Marvel super vialian name. and on theme playing Nicky B.
also, Breya player's threat assessment is pretty off tonight.
That was appropriate music for that game.
how does he scry 2 with Ral? I thought you could only activate planeswalker ability once and it's scry 1.
Oof. There was some real painful choices that game. The Kozillek was saved... and he chooses to attack JURKIS?!?
path to exile being countered was unexpected
y that was a lame move. But i guess we did not hear/see the politics behind the camera? :/
@@afspeellijstnaruto i guess yeah
This was almost certainly a political move, Cyriaque probably countered only if Clayton never swing Kozi at him or something like that. What really surprised me was he headed at Jurkis next turn, seemed like a great way to team up against Trevor's boardstate.
what was in jurkis kozilek deck???
Muddstah strikes again
Trevor taking every opportunity to politic his opponents into targeting each other when he's the blatant archenemy :barf:
Put 6 cards that say take an extra turn in the golos deck, then activate golos with a nyxbloom ancient on the battlefield and lastly make sure you have a consuming abberation on your battlefield. Some fun mill.
shouldve used cryptic command to tap everyones creatures, so they could kill Trevor. but i expect Clayton wouldnt have even done that
What the heck did cyriaque tutor for?
I was watching this and I heard my name and I thought, "Wait what's going on." And then realized that was the name of the 4th guy.
Looks like the two brothers hate trevor lol
I need a deck list for nicol bolas 😊
Theme discard or?
Need help mp me plz 😊
Cyriaque sounds like the name of a villain in a game.
great game
7:40 jurkis didnt put a charge counter on Lux Cannon?
There isn't enough sacrifice hate in the game, thoughts?
Pretty sure several Ob Nixilis triggers were missed.
Golos vs the world!
Quality video! 😍
"Time sieve" is pronounced "siv" (not "seeve", hope this helps!)
It does! I appreciate the help on pronouncing things correctly (except for Chulaine, he is Chuck forever now).
@@MTGMuddstah I'm glad to be of help! (and I agree, having a chuck edh deck it is just better to say that then to get into any pronunciation fights!)
please please get the decklists i like bolas deck and kozz and own an breya deck
Ral Storm conduit upticks 2 only Scy 1, huge value difference
Ciriaque, Jerkis, you Canadians have crazy names
Cyriaque and Jurkis both live in New York City.
Life from the loam did so much work this game
Anyone else notice that Cyriaque had cards that were facing the wrong way when he shuffled one time?
If you're meaning at the 11:21 mark, It wasn't that he had cards facing the wrong way, it was that his deck was upside down while he was searching through it at that moment.
Fiery *ISLET*
Why do people not insta remove an eldrazi with annihilator is beyond me
People dont always have removal. What really amazes me is why that Annihilator Eldrazi was going after Jurkis instead of Trevor.
Because the eldrazi with annihilator can dominate the player in first. I see them as politics cards like “you can keep it so long as it stays away from me” with an exile spell in hand
Heeey, Valakut can't target planeswalkers! (7:00)
They have errata'd it so it can target anything. You can confirm that with the Gatherer page.
@@MTGMuddstah Did he have the 5 mountains in play before the Skyshroud Claim to trigger the Valakut? It didn't seem clear from the video that he did.
That was a commander game alright!
The commanders make me feel like this is no longer casual edh
I'd have to disagree with you strongly on that then.
@@MTGMuddstah oh it’s not a bad thing or anything. Someone in my play group has almost all of these commanders and he’s just very competitive
@@MTGMuddstah also sorry I’m very subtle with my jokes
Edh!!! Have you had a chance to play lately in person or still on lockdown?
We're still unable to play in person in Ottawa. I probably won't be filming with people until things settle down even more.
At least it’s safe. Things are getting pretty dicey in the USA.
@@MTGMuddstah I've been really into this channel for a while now, and seeing you say Ottawa just got me all excited. Is there any chance you play with viewers? Is that a patreon only thing like other UA-camrs do? I love your music choices during these videos too. Classical music just makes the game seem more dramatic.
Absolutely love that Golos deck! It’s awesome!
4:41
The dredge hit a land, so why didn't gitrog draw again?
There wasnt a land? Mirage mirror, on nixilis the fallen and lord windgrace are not lands sir
@@aarong2606 mirage mirror looked like gemstone for a second. My bad
Gg all..golos wins..keep these games coming
Field of the dead ETBT, so it can't be activated to Coffers.