@@rettpanda6203In many cultures they would have forced them to marry. When Jacobs daughter was raped, Jacob was going to allow the man to marry his daughter but his sons took revenge.
MARRIED OR NOT HAS NO BEARING ON MORRIS BEING [SELF ADMITTED] PEDOPHILE! THE PEDOPHILE BLAMES THE VICTIM A [ 12YTO GIRL ] OF BEING A J E Z E B E L ! THE ELDERS HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING MORRIS AND HIS MOLESTATIONS FOR YEARS AS THEY KNEW WAY BACK WHEN THE VICTIM WAS 17! YES, THE DEMON WAS RUNNING THE SHOW WITH THE MINIONS . THE DEMON RATIONALIZED HIS BEHAVIOUR FROM THE PULPIT WHILE RUNNING HIS FINGERS UP THE PRIVATES OF A 12 YEAR OLD GIRL WHO STILL PLAYED WITH DOLLS! THE DEVIL WAS IN ECSTACY! HOW CAN YOU DO GODs WORK WHEN YOU HAVE A $55 MILLION RETIREMENT PKG? THE MONEY CAME FROM WHERE? TO DO WHAT WITH THE MONEY? IT WAS NOT SPENT ON GODs work!
I’m 48 and still deal with the aftermath of childhood SA from ages 4-16. I have had to obtain extensive mental health therapy, and even after coming to Christ, I must stay in prayer and use healthy coping skills when interacting with others. I don’t care how long ago it was. This changes the child. He should be disqualified from ever being a pastor. Go and serve the Lord in other ways.
@@MrLegionofman Thank you. When a preacher is this rich he does not give a damn who he runs over. The 501C3 church is EVERYTHING and no little girl he rapes is going to get in the way!
Everyone involved failed that little girl. The police should’ve been called immediately, him charged, registered as an offender, and never be allowed back on anyone’s pulpit.
@@Beez-k7v I think you're misunderstanding. The OG comment is saying the church, her parents and her abuser failed her BECAUSE they didn't call the police and charge Robert.
I'm a survivor of years of brutal rape and mo*station at the hands of my junior high and high school band director. This abuse lasted throughout my entire high school career 1980 - 1985. Years later, when I was in my 30s, my sister reached out to me and shared that one of his current female band students spoke up about his inappropriate s#%ual behavior towards her. The board of education conducted a thorough investigation and asked for former victims to come forward. I traveled back to my hometown to testify against my former band director. With over 40 women from various graduating classes, all having experienced the same treatment with no knowledge of the others being abused. He maintained his innocence, and HE NEVER SPENT A NIGHT IN JAIL! In fact, he was treated as the martyr! Talk about a slap in the face. Whether or not this abuse happened a long time ago or yesterday, those of us who were savagely victimized by his sick s*!ual abuse, we suffer the psychological and emotional effects for the rest of our lives.
That’s why these incidents must be exposed, warn others, turn the light on it then and sin will flee. I know at first you don’t know what to do, but as you get older speak on it. Do not hold not a secret, so many girls could have been saved from the band teacher.
That is so crazy - never a conviction. The school covered it up to protect the greater institution. I'm so sorry. As a long time (26 years) educator, that is very disappointing! I would die for my students if need be! I hope to God those teachers are plucked out and banned from being arnd children. That man had a very sick spirit, so demonic!
Step down and hopefully be charged with the crime and registered as a sex offender! He’s always been disgusting to me… I remember seeing him going on a random neiman marcus shopping spree online. Not around the holidays or anything, just blowing money for no reason… he always brag that he’s the “100 dollar man” because he walks around with 100 dollar bills and randomly gives them to people. He’s so weird and disgusting. Lock him up!!
He was not in his "early twenties". He is 62 now, 35 years ago he was 27! He was almoat 30 assaulting a middle school child. He was in her home, she couldn't get away. Horrible 😢
He was 20 when it started, and it continued until he was 24. He told the 12 year girl that she couldn’t say anything. At some point after it ended she confided in a friend, who encouraged her to tell her parents. He only confessed when he was confronted about it. This is the typical behavior of sexually abusive people. To this day he minimizes it.
@@edwardsfinancialoh he was 19? Ok then Robert can rape away I guess… what did your comment prove?? And your wrong anyways check the facts, dates, articles, you’ll see he wasn’t 19
@@edwardsfinancial Even if what you say is true, does it make it any better? I hope you are getting paying to defend him, because doing this for free is pathetic.
Men scream about church leadership and this happens repeatedly on their watch but they don’t report it. Repentance is about your soul, but his flesh needed to be punished. He should’ve gone to prison and been a registered sex offender.
Yes absolutely disqualified for any leadership!!! SHE WAS 12 YEARS OLD !!!! SHE WAS A CHILD !!!! He didn't pay for his sin because he covered it up . He should have gone to prison!!!
I know someone else who did time for merely touching a teenager's thigh!! He'd had too much to drink, it was a one time thing and there was no insertion of any type. Yet he was sent away for a few years then had to register as a sex offender. Some people have money and clout. Some don't. Be nice if the playing field was more even for everyone.
Dude, this isn't just a sin. What Morris did was a *crime*. And he did it over and over and over again. He should have been turned over to the cops in 1987 when he confessed to his elders. But he didn't. This is a guy who should have never been in a pulpit.
Paul was a murderer but a great apostle. It is God who calls and qualifies. Only God can disqualify. Don't go to his church, don't listen to him. That is your choice.
@@Godfearman23 If the elders of the church made the members aware that there was a fox in the hen house, if the members agreed to have the predator lead them then fine. I don't think that happened.
Once you mess with a child you have to go. Stidies show that these kind of people mindset dont ever change. He's prolly using the church as cover up. The fact he was married and still SA a 12yr old child. Idc if it was 35yrs ago, he shouldnt be pastoring anyone. He needs to sit down and not be around anyones child. Those thoughts might overcome him again and he acts on it. Nope!!! I have kids and if i found this out about my pastor im leaving the church.
I think this is as nasty and disgusting as you guys, but if a person really submits themselves to God they will change, and you won't be able to recognize them. Their appearance yes, but character personality, no. Has he changed? I have no idea. I feel like he talked about it because he got caught. But God can heal anything.
This is hypocrisy!!! He's had no scandals for over 35 years!!! Doesn't that prove he's a changed man? Christians believe Jesus can change the worst of people in society, but the same Christians are quick to hold someone to sins they committed several decades ago before they came to Christ. So which is it? Can Christ fully change a person or not? Again, he's had no scandals in 35 years!!! Is that not proof he's changed?
@@Siacourage yes he can change someone completely, but I don't know him. People look one way in public, and in secret they are another. Usually it only takes one to talk about their experience, and then more follow. So I guess time will tell.
He is garage, not only because of what he did, but because while telling of this story, he referred to her as a "young lady" when in fact she was a child. He can't even be honest today about that.
He also lied and said he had the blessing of the elders and her dad to go back into the pulpit when in fact the victim said her dad NEVER wanted Morris to ever go back into the pulpit.
Exactly! It's a sin that has been ONGOING for 35 yrs. He raped a child as a grown man with a family of his own. He kept raping this girl for several years. When found out, he offered her hush money. When she declined, he had his lawyer accuse that girl of "bringing the rape upon herself because she had been FLIRTHING". A 12-year old?! He kept revictimizing that child, and so did her parents and all church folk who knew about the molestation and DID NOT REPORT IT to the authorities and see that he faces justice. They all failed this girl BIG TIME. This sin has never been repented of. If it had been, he would have turned himself in and accepted the punishment. A manipulative pedophile, got famous and rich, yet never stopped to abuse the girl. So so sad... Church, wake up, and hold the criminals accountable!
The fact that he was married with children of his own at the time is even more disturbing… I read the article and was beyond disgusted but now to know that he was married with children just makes this worse… I wonder if his daughters and granddaughters are/were safe😡😡😡
I thought it was before he was married??? He was in early 20's living with this family. The relationship was "mutual" .. (he is an adult he us still responsible) but I know people who are 19 dating 13-14 year old. Over 4 years, she was 16! Not really a child anymore. Obviously we are missing pieces of this puzzle.
@@dianacarr5515 If you know people who are 19 dating 12-14 years old then they are pedos and if you find nothing wrong with it then you are also participating in pedo behavior.
"Disqualified" is exactly the correct term. Of course, he can seek God's forgiveness, but he should never be allowed near a pulpit again. ....but of course he will. He'll just wait for things to settle down, and it'll literally be business as usual.
Paul was a murderer but after he became a great apostle. It is God who calls and qualifies. Only God can disqualify. Don't go to his church, don't listen to him. That is your choice. But to say that he has to step out of the pulpit!!!! Only his church members can decide. And even, nobody is forced to go to a church. Just switch and go somewhere else. Maybe on God's eyes, he is like someone who has never done something wrong. 2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
Robert Morris should not be leading a church. The elders who authorized his return to ministry should be asked to leave. The elders knew about the predator, yet they allowed the wolf back into the church. The ...young lady ...was a kid...Robert Morris is lying in his disclosure. I wonder what the church members think about Robert Morris's behavior. What if he has compromised other children. Corey thank you for your thoughtful response to Robert Morris's egregious behavior. I am enraged, I am a survivor of sexual assault at age 5. You never see things the same after you have been compromised. May the Lord be with the victim Cindy Clemishire she and her family certainly need our prayers. I am glad that Cindy stepped forward, she may have saved the little ones in the church from sharing the same fate as her.
When you also bring in the fact that the elders authorized his return to ministry, it just looks like a good ole boy club. Also, that is a "God told me" Church. If people just say God told me to return to being the pastor, then how are you going to top that? The people are "God told me" people and the doctrine is a "God told me" doctrine.
God Bless you, dear one and Thank you for bringing light to the darkness!! He is to be held accountable for what he did!! He hid his sin and should repent before God, and you/and man!! Much love to you! 🙏 ❤️
I cried when I first heard of this story because I know the scars that remain after this kind of violation. It doesn't matter whether it was 35 years or 35 minutes ago. My prayers are with the victim and I have forgiveness for the violator; however, I will no longer listen to this person.
@@wrinthiak3431 that is easy to explain. When a preacher is this rich he does not give a damn who he runs over. The 501C3 church is EVERYTHING and no little girl he rapes is going to get in the way!
@@VictorianMaid99 Having an affair with a consenting adult is different from violating a child. He has a victim who has not healed from this traumatic sin.
He was a 26 yr old married Pastor when his sexual abuse of a 12 yr old was found out. The molestation occured until she was 16. The leadership at shady Grove covered up the sin. Morris told his church from the pulpit that he had a "moral failure". Never did he disclose it was pedophilia to the congregation. Now he has an attorney that says the girl was flirtatious! He should step down for hiding and minimizing this crime.
It wouldn't have been defined as paedophilia at that time. It would still have been defined as statutory rape with a minor depending on the jurisdiction. It shouldn't have been swept under the rug back then, because now the guy is not ready for the fiery trial set before him.
It seems like none of these pastors that are caught in sexual sins ever get reported by the church, or the victim, therefore they never go to jail for their offense.
VictorianMaid99, are you a bot or AI?? Or a member of his church that’s getting paid to make dumb comments??? You keep randomly posting about Evans or Jakes under every comment. Stop being weird. Bringing other flawed pastors into the discussion doesn’t minimize or take away what Robert Morris did.
Because they belong to secret societies such as free masons and Illuminati. All of these mega churches have wolves as pastors. You don’t get a big tv platform without belonging with the “club”.
This is why I don't use the excuse "they human," "David sinned too," "cast ye the first stone," "just let God deal with it," or "touch not my anointed," because if sin is sin and all we need to do is forgive and move on, why not use these excuses for him? Personally, not everyone deserves restoration back to the pulpit, but maybe restoration back to Christian fellowship, but you have to be wise about that, too. He'll never be left alone around kids. A person with this mindset just doesn't lose attraction for kids, that's why they have to stay away or not be alone with them.
Agreed. Plus people who used the "Touch not God's anointed" excuse are taking it out of context as the only reason David said that about Saul was because Abishai was going to murder Saul in his sleep and David prevented that, and we people calling Morris out haven't wished death nor murder on him.
@saintsheepy6682 Exactly. Context is everything. Paul said it was reported to me in 1 cor 5. In other letters Paul mentioned Demas, Philetus, Alexander, and Hymenaeus and mentioned what they did. People think it's gossip speaking about it. If so, then Paul received gossip from the corinthians and was guilty of spreading it himself. It needs to be addressed so the church can do its job and keep Christ and the purity of the church intact. Paul gave no excuses.
No father should ever let his child, daughter, son be alone with the opposite sex. She went in his bedroom at night in her pj's. And you allowed that daddy dearest? It's Wisdom, People Body of Christ wake up!!! We live in a time where satan doesn't even hide anymore and you still done see him. It's ignorance!
@@SheIsFearfullyWonderfullyMade The parents are not supposed to mindlessly trust other adults with their kids, whether at church or not. Let's set aside the fact that the "Christian" concepts of Sunday school and youth pastors are totally unbiblical in the first place. Matter of fact, that's the root cause of this sort of stuff: giving ppl authority that (1) doesn't exist in the Bible and (2) that they shouldn't have been given to begin with.
That's like implying that parents are to blame if a babysitter rapes their child. That's disgusting. There will ALWAYS be at least a few occasions in the life of a child where there are left with someone. Mr Morris is 100% to blame. And the apparent cover-up (including referring to her as a "young lady" 🙄) compounds the issue. If he had confessed EVERYTHING after it happened (including her age) it would have been much better for everyone involved, including him. But he would have lost his job. That's what it seems he was most concerned about, not his relationship with God. God is LIGHT. Hiding the truth is not Godly. He chose to make things worse. I doubt he has a relationship with God. God has no fellowship with darkness.
@@VictorianMaid99 From his own pockets! He's a multi millionaire. He could also have respected her enough to have told the full story when he first "confessed". Still referring to her as a "young lady" is NOT being truthful. She was a girl.
@@leenieledejo6849 when a preacher is this rich he does not give a damn who he runs over. The 501C3 church is EVERYTHING and no little girl he rapes is going to get in the way!
How can we church goers trust that the elder boards at these churches will RIGHTLY judge the sins of a pastor/leader according to biblical standards (seen in 1 Tim 3; Titus 1; 1 Tim 5:19-25) and not show them favoritism because "he's a great man of God/he's charismatic/he brings in a lot of money," if the nature of the sin is not disclosed to us? Don't people who donate money to these men have the right to know who they are supporting? 🤔🤔🤔 How is it that Robert Morris was allowed to continue preaching and church members kept going to hear him?
Just asking because 1 Tim 5:20 (NIV) says an elder caught in sin is to be "rebuked publicly" .....I dont know what entails the "rebuke" but it seems like just sharing the nature of the sin (sexual, lying, stirring up mess) might cut down on confusion and gossip amongst the members and ministry supporters and allow them the necessary information to stop their financial support
Any church (including RM) that lawyers up and ask the child/family to sign and NDA is not even practicing true Christianing- they are a social club. They are covering up. I love what it says in the Word: What it is done in the dark will come to light. I wish the best for the victim.
Being an influential minister always guarantees some measure of protection of scrutiny within the churches of traditional Christianity. In a certain sense, that's why it pays to be a celebrity pastor. There is always going to be a group of ppl that don't really look at sin as being sin because they're caught up in someone's hype.
Of course if he violated a child, especially if he was a Christian, he is disqualified for ministry. How is this even a question? Who cares when it happened?
@@edwardsfinancial Maybe read, study and memorize Matthew 18:6, Mark 9:42 and Luke 17:2, and especially 1 Corinthians 5:1-8, that perfectly sums up Morris fanboys, including you.
Agreed, step away from the pulpit…was there no one else better with integrity to serving and following God in the position of ‘Pastor’? If he had died, someone else would have had to be hired, what’s wrong with this church? This is why people think all christians are fake, they all behave like the world while they say they follow Christ…Not! They put God’s name in a bad place. This is not right, leader positions are held to higher accountability. Step down, don’t get in the way by casting a bad light on God so others don’t want God for themselves. If he behaves that way as a ‘Christian’, I don’t want any part of that, etc.
Paul was a murderer but a great apostle. It is God who calls and qualifies. Only God can disqualify. Don't go to his church, don't listen to him. That is your choice.
With all due respect, the bible aside, he committed a criminal act against a child. He should be treated as criminal and serve jail time. More rhan likely there are more victims out there.
**HIRING A LAWYER to harass and blame the victim a child and trying to make her sign an NDA is NOT the fruit of REPENTANCE.** This Victimized Child Now a Woman should be COMPENSATED! He was allowed to get rich and NOT go to jail, that's the least he can do! True fruit of repentance is "sitting himself down" to not torment the victim to have to hear and see him everywhere...smh...PROTEST for this man to pay this Woman and to just retire and focus on his personal walk with God.
Amen!!! This is so evil!! But not shocking ..God is Revealing everybody in 2024! The shaking will get even worse!! I just did a short expose video on my channel here too about Robert Morrris! I think it will,bless you 😊
I remember hearing a story of a Pastor in America. Before THE LORD JESUS CHRIST saved him, he was a rapist. He said that he could not help himself but he cried out for help one day and from that day he stopped raping. He read THE WORD, his life was renewed, got baptised. For years several decades, he was preaching the GOSPEL. Then one day he was at a convention with Bishops and Pastors he knew and knew him very well. They were discussing about sins and he told them about his sin before he was saved by THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. The day, all his friends disappeared. They refused to take his calls, he was no longer invited to conferences, to preach because they could not get over that he was once a rapist! This is what some Christians don’t understand The Salvation THE LORD JESUS CHRIST gives. The vilest offender, who truly believes a moment with JESUS a pardon receives! And this is the situation. If you confess to THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and that is your past life leave it in the past. We have the HOLY SPIRIT within us so, we can test their spirit. Additionally, where is our forgiveness; knowing that the LORD JESUS CHRIST forgave us.
I agree. He should be sat down for all the reasons you stated--he's not above reproach, and he's not of good reputation. He acted like a predatory monster by betraying that family's trust, esp the father, since he's the head of the household, and he perpetrated a child, not a young lady. She was 12 when he started messing over her. And he was dishonest about what he actually did and lied to cover it up. And he's still lying about it. I can understand the now woman still talking about it, b/c she did not receive justice. It's hard to have been so egregiously violated and on top of that to see your perpetrator living his life with no consequences and the whole church behind him. I'd holler, too. IMO, this is coming up 35 years later b/c of unconfessed sin. The Lord does not tolerate persistence in sin. He said He'd "raise your robe over your head and expose your nakedness" if you did (said it to the Levites). God is serious about His Name and His little lambs. There are no exceptions. He whooped Nadab and Abihu, Hophni and Phineas, and King David and Moses, Aaron, and Miriam. He doesn't play. He is holy, and we must be holy. I hope all truly repent, Robert and the church that covered this mess up, and further attacked this woman via legal proceedings (even more egregiousness). And I hope the victim gets the healing and care she needs. Thanks, Corey, for your thorough, righteous, and fair assessment of and remedy for this horrible situation.
The parents made a choice back then, to speak with him and his father and they forgave him they supposedly said. But they said, they told the church he was pastoring back then, to never let him be over a church again. The church sat him down for 2yrs and he was pastoring again. This is why the family is speaking out now. The child is grown now and speaking out, that she was only 12 and not a young lady as he stated. The Family should have had him arrested, and he would have been put on the registry as a pedophile. Then he could have repented in prison, serving his time. He should not have been allowed to be a Pastor again over no church again. Forgiveness is okay, the family spoke with him back then and chose not to prosecute him at their own will to do so. He should have been prosecuted and the crime justified for their daughter. The parents didn't prosecute him. He was sat down for only 2yrs. That's horribly wrong by the church, he should have never been allowedl to pastor again over a flock, this was a child. God forgive all yes of our sins. This is how the Catholic church did, they allowed these priest, to be moved from perish to perish, as these priest continued to assault young boys for decades over and over again. None of these priest ever went to prison. The families of these children assaulted were paid off for the assaults. The families took the money and settled. Pastor Morris should not have been allowed to still Pastor, because of the harm it brings in light of the church, the people who now know everything. The church us now in a uproar today. Tony Evans confessed sin, from years ago and now the church is in a uproar today, over his unknown past sin. See how their old sin has the churches in a uproar today. God forgives yes, but they should be sat down for good, because of the aftermass of the uproar of the church right now.
@@blazee3895 okay, but truth as it was written, the parents ABSOLUTELY! did not call the police, have him arrested; locked up for the justice of their child, where he would have been put on the registry as a pedophile for life!. They made a choice, to not prosecute this man back then. The parents talked to him and told the church to not allow him to Pastor or be around children. But the parents made a grown folks decision to not prosecute this man, for assaulting their daughter. So that had to be forgiveness because they didn't have him locked away like most parents would have. It's not my word this is the statement that was read and wrote. They didn't have the man locked up when they found out. So don't get mad at me, this is what was read. I'm done here. God forgives us of our sins, yes, but the parents could have gotten more justice for their daughter, by having him locked away. So they forgave him by not prosecuting him. That's what they decided not to do. I said what I said and that's it. Byyeee!.
@@blazee3895 I said that in all my post, he should have went to prison I said that many times. If it had been my 12 yr old child, he would have been prosecuted and did his time in prison and they would have put him on the pedophile registry for life. My prayers go out to all families affected. God has the say so of it all I'm done and God be with everyone.
Be jailed for something he committed 35 years ago? He hasn't had any scandals since then. Does Jesus not change people? So because he mol***ed a child 35 years ago his identity must forever be tied to that incident? Fake Christians!!!
If he was not embarrassed of it, even if his embarrassment was personal to himself, then he is still the same internally. Mistakes is one thing we all make them, and some mistakes should be a one time event, then move on from it knowing in your heart it was wrong and should be deeply saddened by it. Covering up a act in this degree though is not moving on from a one time moral failure. Actions speak louder than words.
What about the victim? How was she taken care of, along these years ? Even if he is forgiven what about this life that was broken and damaged ? It is not only a ministry issue. If he was truly repentant he would have done everything to care, and repair the damage that he caused.
Robert Morris 🥺🙏🏾 Exposure is on a all time high with some of these pastors darkness all secrets are being revealed God knows the right timing for revelation to come to full light this is sad pray for his family the members and it's the godly thing to do let us all pray but give all Honor and Glory to our Lord .Amen? Amen 🙏🏾🙋🏾♀️
Thank you for having the kindest and well rounded opinion I’ve seen on social media thus far. You truly showed the love of Christ brother. I’m completely heartbroken over this situation and see where Cindy and Pastor Robert were both failed by their families, pastors, and elders. I’m praying for healing and restoration all involved. 🙏
@@glstka5710 Grace for all who repent and believe; BUT pastors are held to a higher standard and per the Bible must be above reproach, and sadly Morris’ pedophilic actions for 4 1/2 years while married and while a pastor - he disqualified himself early in his career bringing reproach on himself, and on the name of Jesus.
I saw a church sign a few years ago that read, " Make a mistake once a mistake, make a mistake twice it's a decision". Now the record states this went on for four and a half years. Make no mistake this was not a simple one time mistake for him, this was his way of life.
It's extremely doubtful the child was his only victim and the only place for him and the wife who aided & abetted in the cover-up of his crimes is prison - she even blamed the child!
The question is why people wait so long to confess to a sin and then expect people to not feel some type of way .He waited because he knew he would loose everything before he got started good ( selfishness) so he is not repentive nor does he feel bad ,because it was 35 years ago and if he retired it wouldn't make him no mind
@@SamuelQuaye-zs4uc No he didn't confess. The girl told her parents and the parents told the church elders. He NEVER confessed. He later told the church he had an affair with a young lady but didn't disclose any details. He's STILL lying.
An affair with an ADULT 35 years ago is one thing. But grooming a child means I would never ever trust you around kids. Children are in church and they should not be around adults that could possibly harm them. And this is more than a moral failure as described in that written statement. It's a crime.
So… are we running background on youth workers? He wouldn’t be able to pass my church’s safe sanctuary check to clean the church, or work any where near kids. If he’d been handled appropriately then, he’d be on a SO list - by his admittance. If he’s repented, he’s forgiven. But there are earthly consequences. Does full forgiveness mean he’s allowed to stay at your house around your kids? No. Another point, as one of the largest churches in America, I’m pretty sure they have keyman insurance on Morris. If so, he and church leaders were asked a series of questions to assess the level of risk associated with Morris. Lying to obtain insurance is a crime. It always comes out in the wash. So I’ll pray for the victim and the flock, hold my peace and let God be God.
@@dahliaherrod4301 not necessarily - we ask for 3 personal references and it depends on who he chose and their willingness to be honest. BUT my point is, now knowing what we all know he would not be eligible to serve around kids, and in my opinion this would disqualify him from pastoring them. He’s an admitted child S abuser.
@@NeneNaturally oh I totally agree. The elders completely dropped the ball. It's good you guys check for personal references but even then people can pick references who will give generous referrals. Unfortunately, background checks aren't foolproof. We also need to train staff to be diligent in their duty to protect children with zero tolerance.
Speaking from experience, what some people doesn't realize, is that there are things that people do to you and when they have forgotten all about it, you're still dealing with the trauma.
My main issue with this whole situation is the “cover up” the “concealing” of this pastors sin . Does anyone know what those words mean? They represent “occult”. This behavior is straight up witchcraft right in the church . I have been in churches where leadership have covered up for a pastor, and it never ends well 😢 Bring it into the light like Jesus says to, and then it loses its power!🙌🏼⚔️☦️❤️
my question is Why does he have to be a pastor again? sure I believe he can have full forgiveness with repentance. But why cant these fallen pastors go dig ditches, work in a factory, sweep streets,etc... and serve the Lord . it seems like most of these celebrity pastors act like secular work is below them.
You spoke with mercy and great biblical wisdom. While I do NOT in anway condone Robert Morris behavior more than 35 years ago I applaud you for standing strong in the way God would want us (His children) to approach the matter. It is refreshing to see there are still good Christians not standing by with stones in their hands ready to throw at another. What he did is incredibly wrong, I've heard him countless times state he was guilty of horrible things in his younger years. While I have not committed the same sins he has, Im guilty of sin myself. Instead of throwing stones I'll leave this in Gods hands. because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment James 2:13 Isaiah 43:25: "I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins"
He needs to be in jail. He can find his help there possibly. I cannot see how after all this time, that law enforcement will not intervene. There are statue of limitations up to 50 years to report abuse in most states now regarding SA.
There is a video of RM doing the rounds where he talks about what he done AND what he says about young girls & women is SICKENING to the core! He WAS old enough to know what he was doing was ABUSE as he was in his 20's...he's an embarrassment to the church!
I have been watching a lot of channels “christian” channels and yours is the first that I feel that it is not just a bunch of gossip but actually touching all the issues about being restored, how people disqualify you because of past sins even though restoration can happen etc. I appreciate your view. I feel the Church needs to listen to this type of thinking a lot more.
Sometimes the church thinks forgiveness means no consequences. He should have been reported to the authorities when her parents found out and dealt with at that time. Now that it has come out, it would be difficult for that stain to not be seen and he should be removed. He can still live a life dedicated to Christ but it will call for great humility on his part for him to continue to serve in some capacity in the kingdom. It just should not be as a pastor.
Everything you said is well stated. There are so many who are holding on to unforgiveness. Thank you for your detailed examination of this topic and keeping it from the Godly perspective. That is the right way to proceed.
It's the fact he tried to cove and say it was before when he was a teen ager...or she was a young lady NO SHE WAS A LIL GIRL😭 he should be held accountable and pay consequences
He wrote a book about 12 yrs ago where he said that his temporary stepping down from the ministry was because he recognized he had too much spiritual pride. He lied to the world when he did that. It shows an insufficiently penitent heart
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You are exactly right. How do we look at him the same again? He is a stain on the Body of Christ & he needs to step down. It's just another blow to the church & Christianity.
Everybody sins, and no one is perfect, but there are certain kinds of situations that warrant not being a pastor anymore. If a pastor molests a child, has sex with teenage girls, rapes someone, etc, they should never work as a pastor ever again for the remainder of their life due to the severity of infraction.
His sin was disgusting. Guess what? YOUR sin is disgusting. MY sin is disgusting. Do our sins, past or present, or future, look like his? Based on the comments, absolutely not, but there's a LOT of "well, at LEAST I don't sin like HE sinned!" going on in these comments. The comparative sin/self righteousness is DISTURBING. ALL FOR SHORT. Paul straight up participated in MULTIPLE MURDERS and wrote close to 25 percent of the New Testament we all read almost EVERY DAY! What? You're ok with HIS style of sinning, so you won't stop reading his section of The Bible, right? Stop the silliness just because a person's sins DO NOT LOOK LIKE YOURS, church. We KNOW what it's called to treat a person a certain way because of a sin they committed from a past they cannot go back and change and the last time I checked, in Christ Jesus, THAT AIN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. ESPECIALLY, not from us. Repent. God bless.
I agree with everything you said. We all fall short of the Glory ofl God. And in His Ultimate Mercy He presented us with a Savior. All of that being said, remember some people here are just finding this out and in our sin nature, are reacting to that. I personally think anything that has to do with abuse should be enough to disqualify someone from serving as a pastor...and yes, that means forever. You can serve God in other ways other than running a multi million dollar church. Besides, the mans theology alone is enough to give me pause as to him leading the flock.
@@whoathatsanicememe3093 I completely hear you and I'm not defending his theology. Today was my first time even hearing of this man. I'm moreso talking about the ideals upheld by God's written Word and you're absolutely correct that people are reacting in their flesh. Arguably, Paul was a Pastor. Should his multiple past murders have disqualified him from being a Pastor? Forever? Or, is it because his sin differs from what this Pastor did in his past, that made it ok for Paul to be a Pastor? I know we have our own personal opinions, but ultimately, it's about what GOD says. It kind of reminds me of Paul's conversion when Jesus came to Ananais and told him to heal Paul of his blindness. In Ananais' opinion, based on what's written, he was scared, but he probably also had the opinion to himself that Paul wasn't worthy, but GOD said he was. I digress, I don't know this man from Adam, but we gotta do a better job of making sure we treat others how Christ would want us to treat others. I apologize if I wrote too much. I mean absolutely no offense nor am I trying to argue. I just know we can do better.
@@whoathatsanicememe3093 Just now, I saw a meme that says, "Don't allow the devil to make you feel guilty for something that God has forgiven and forgotten." We just have to make sure we aren't helping satan out, you know?
@robertdavis3036 you didn't write too much....I'm old school and enjoy reading. I appreciate your willingness to help me understand your position. I still feel as though he shouldn't be in a lead pastor position. Again, I don't trust his theology and that is my main concern with him. I can't give you an ultimate reason as to why he shouldn't be a pastor due to his past. Abuse is very difficult to forgive. And in my flesh I'm having a difficult time doing so. Maybe with some more study of scripture and through prayer I could see it... Or lets just say this. I am commanded to forgive, so I will. But ... in the end, it's really not for me to say if he does or doesn't continue to lead. That's in the hands of his congregation. I will pray for them to come to the best decision. I think we all should.
Same thing happened at Prestonwood Baptist Church. A youth pastor there was SA several boys there and they swept it all under the rug, only for the youth pastor to go to another church and do it all over again. Infuriating. I believe "pastor" Jack Graham's exact words were, "Well, it's in their ball court now". Shameful!
What I find incredible is how many people are asking why she has waited until now and suggesting her motive is merely money and also to say that because he’s repented it should be enough. It needs to be investigated no matter how long ago it was, if it is found that her claims are true he needs to face the consequences of his actions. It is truly tragic, even if it happened when she was 17 he was in his 20’s and in a position of leadership and it was an abuse of his authority and a matter of safeguarding. Of course we all sin and we want to be shown grace and mercy but we must also know and understand that when we are leaders we are held to a higher level of accountability. When we as believers try to gloss over sin as some are attempting to do in this case we are not honouring God. I understand this case could have been dealt with differently at the time but now we know of this allegation, did she say at the time she was 12 years of age? If the leaders knew how old she was why didn’t they deal with this properly
Also, for those stating the parents should have gone to the police, the father was going to report it but the elders pretty much begged him not to and to allow them to handle it in-house by making the pastor step down. The girl's father told them that if he remained pastor that he was going to the police. 2 years later, when the pastor went back into ministry, the little girl's father didn't approve. But the article notes that the pastor is telling people that he had her father's blessing. The victim says that's false, that her father did not give him his blessing, that the pastor was lucky he had his life (you can read between the lines). Look, many of these leaders manipulate and try to guilt people into allowing the church to "handle" situations like these. I think they manipulated this family. Not only that, but for anybody who thinks this man should step down from being pastor, but can still teach, you're bugging! He should not be teaching anybody. He just needs to sit on the pews like everybody else and that's all! Stop trying to throw him back into being over others in any kind of way. He needs to work on healing with his family and he can bring more glory to God by doing other things that don't involve being over others in a religious setting. Go volunteer, feed the homeless, just don't be over others and be around teens without supervision. Tired of this stuff happening over and over and over again and the leaders of these churches are just allowing it. I can remember the son of a pastor taking a 12 year old's virginity (he was way older than her) and the only thing his parents would say was when they thought she might have been pregnant, was..."well she'll have to get an abortion". A Pastor and his wife!!! Whew!!! And people wonder why folks are leaving the churches...because they are hurting people. People don't come to this for abuse. Tired of the excuses!
@@petefults5984 you THINK it's because of that??? But you don't know that for sure. So, you don't think the leaders have to be held accountable at all in any of this? Like I said, the wickedness and those who uphold it have got to go. Simple as that.
@@nicolebrooks2876 that's a lie. The elders did not beg her father. Her father told them not to make it public. That is a fact. I said what I think the reason why was because of her involvement with the other men. I don't just guess or make up stuff when I comment. If I'm not sure it's a fact I will state that..
@@nicolebrooks2876 only the ones that knew. Cindy stated only the preacher and one elder knew. I believe thats where the cover up started. Did the other elders investigate it? I dont know. They might have only to discover false information. They might have and decided to cover it up. We dont know that part of it. This happened at a different church many years before Gateway started..
@@nicolebrooks2876 and, in the beginning Cindy stated her and her family gave Robert the blessing he asked for to return to ministry. I took a snapshot of it. Now the story has changed. At first she said there was no phone call between her and Robert. I have a snapshot of that as well. This part I do not know as a fact but I saw somewhere her atty reminded her that there was a phone call and she said, oh yea....
depending on pastor for moral guidance anymore is ridiculous. done . I have maggot pastors who are saying i need to vote for trump I am not white. I don't need to do anything that God does not tell me too.
He was supposedly a Christian when this happened...so it's not like he has the "I was unsaved / undegenerated" excuse...I find the condemning part being FOUR-fold. 1) He admits he was a Christian AND married at the time 2) He was only "sorry" AFTER he got caught...NOT by his own confession 3 ) the unforgivably LONG YEARS of time the sin continued 4) He continues to down-play the seriousness of the abominable sin ( against a child ) AND STILL tried to cover his guilt by using a tool of the fallen world...a Non Disclosure Agreement. All of these together ABSOLUTELY and OBVIOUSLY DISQUALIFY him from the ministry...this is not only a NO BRAINER...it is obviously BIBLICALLY MANDATED !!
I’m thankful he’s getting the opportunity to reconcile his sin before the Lord and man. I’m so sorry for both families. There are wives and children who are suffering through this moral failing, but hope is not lost. Remember the Cross!!! I understand, I was exploited sexually as a minor. It’s horrible but remember Paul’s exhortations and that we’re all sinners. Kindness is repentant confession, acceptance of consequences, then full restoration if he obeys the Word.
1. It was her Pastor who encouraged her to tell her story. 2. He is only confessing because it’s coming out and there’s lots of witnesses. 3. He tried to buy her off yrs ago and as a child she declined when his lawyer told her she was flirting with him. 4. It went on for 4 yrs. 5. He was married and had a child and was 30 when it ended. 6. His wife had the audacity to call her and forgive her. 7. She had had a difficult life and never married or had children. 8. I don’t know the Bible well and I KNEW that an elder is to be above reproach. How can he know that and hide such sin for so long. 9. He was also accused by a woman who was being trafficked in what she called Pastor Gate. So there isn’t just one accuser. 10. He hasn’t said anything to his congregation only sent out a staff memo teaching talking points. 11. He makes all of his employees no mater how trite the job sign NDAs. (Pretty sure that isn’t to secure intellectual property since the Bible is all of ours) 12. He’s the 3rd Mega pastor to have issues this yr. This is a hotbed of evil. All that being said I love how you keep a level head! And it has inspired me because so many people I know not only go to church there but give so much money. It feels personal. So thank you for reminding me Gods plan is always at work. Blessings!
Thank you for bringing much clarity and biblical truth/understanding concerning this sin of his past and how to possibly deal with something like this in order for God's name not to be blasphemed or to bring a reproach on a ministry. I thank the Holy Spirit for how he has used you to bring to us this video in the right spirit. My question is why is this coming out now when obviously it was dealt with in the 80"s????
Thank you for explaining this in a godly manner! 1 John 1:9 still applies to Rev. Morris regardless of the severity of the sin. There are however, consequences that are the result of the sin. Thank you for using the scriptures, specifically in 1 Samuel. I pray for the the elders of this church because they must do what GOD directs them! I also pray or healing of the young woman, her family, Rev. Morris, his family, his church, and the body of Christ!
He should not be a pastor...he avoided jail and being registered as an offender.
Yup!
6 feet under if that were my daughter
@@rettpanda6203 I would have a real struggle trying to say you'd be wrong... I actually couldn't
@@rettpanda6203In many cultures they would have forced them to marry. When Jacobs daughter was raped, Jacob was going to allow the man to marry his daughter but his sons took revenge.
12 years old....PEDOFILE taking advantage of white privilege...he should have been jailed.
If pedophilia isn't disqualifying what is? And he was a married pastor while it happened. His elders are reckless if they support him
Exactly! They all should lose their position in the church
MARRIED OR NOT HAS NO BEARING ON MORRIS BEING [SELF ADMITTED] PEDOPHILE! THE PEDOPHILE BLAMES THE VICTIM A [ 12YTO GIRL ] OF BEING A J E Z E B E L ! THE ELDERS HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING MORRIS AND HIS MOLESTATIONS FOR YEARS AS THEY KNEW WAY BACK WHEN THE VICTIM WAS 17! YES, THE DEMON WAS RUNNING THE SHOW WITH THE MINIONS . THE DEMON RATIONALIZED HIS BEHAVIOUR FROM THE PULPIT WHILE RUNNING HIS FINGERS UP THE PRIVATES OF A 12 YEAR OLD GIRL WHO STILL PLAYED WITH DOLLS! THE DEVIL WAS IN ECSTACY! HOW CAN YOU DO GODs WORK WHEN YOU HAVE A $55 MILLION RETIREMENT PKG? THE MONEY CAME FROM WHERE? TO DO WHAT WITH THE MONEY? IT WAS NOT SPENT ON GODs work!
He’s also a false preacher.
@@queenpeach7865 why do you want innocent people to be punished? That's so sad!
@@petefults5984 how is he innocent? he confessed to it.
I’m 48 and still deal with the aftermath of childhood SA from ages 4-16. I have had to obtain extensive mental health therapy, and even after coming to Christ, I must stay in prayer and use healthy coping skills when interacting with others. I don’t care how long ago it was. This changes the child. He should be disqualified from ever being a pastor. Go and serve the Lord in other ways.
it always happens this way. Sort of like those women school teachers that have sex with 10 year old boys!
I will pray for you sister
@@MrLegionofmanThank you! Prayers help and work.
@@MrLegionofman Thank you. When a preacher is this rich he does not give a damn who he runs over. The 501C3 church is EVERYTHING and no little girl he rapes is going to get in the way!
You are in my prayers! And you are exactly right. Pastor Morris can serve the Lord in other ways- from inside a jail cell
Everyone involved failed that little girl. The police should’ve been called immediately, him charged, registered as an offender, and never be allowed back on anyone’s pulpit.
Agreed.
the police were not called. It isn't their fault.
Or around children
@@Beez-k7v I think you're misunderstanding. The OG comment is saying the church, her parents and her abuser failed her BECAUSE they didn't call the police and charge Robert.
Her parents covered up the crime..why give a pastor access to your young daughter.
I'm a survivor of years of brutal rape and mo*station at the hands of my junior high and high school band director. This abuse lasted throughout my entire high school career 1980 - 1985. Years later, when I was in my 30s, my sister reached out to me and shared that one of his current female band students spoke up about his inappropriate s#%ual behavior towards her. The board of education conducted a thorough investigation and asked for former victims to come forward. I traveled back to my hometown to testify against my former band director. With over 40 women from various graduating classes, all having experienced the same treatment with no knowledge of the others being abused. He maintained his innocence, and HE NEVER SPENT A NIGHT IN JAIL! In fact, he was treated as the martyr! Talk about a slap in the face.
Whether or not this abuse happened a long time ago or yesterday, those of us who were savagely victimized by his sick s*!ual abuse, we suffer the psychological and emotional effects for the rest of our lives.
He will get his due justice on judgment day. My prayers for you and all of his victims.
Wow! Thank you for your courage and bravery! Praying God’s peace, healing, and blessings in your life❤
That’s why these incidents must be exposed, warn others, turn the light on it then and sin will flee. I know at first you don’t know what to do, but as you get older speak on it. Do not hold not a secret, so many girls could have been saved from the band teacher.
That is so crazy - never a conviction. The school covered it up to protect the greater institution. I'm so sorry. As a long time (26 years) educator, that is very disappointing! I would die for my students if need be! I hope to God those teachers are plucked out and banned from being arnd children. That man had a very sick spirit, so demonic!
Pray healing ❤️🩹 for ALL the victims 🙏🏽
I won't be surprised if there's not more victims, he needs to step down as the pastor.
Exactly if he did that to 1 person that we know of now he did it to more than one and he may still be doing this
Absolutely! It went on for four years, there’s definitely more victims!
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Step down and hopefully be charged with the crime and registered as a sex offender!
He’s always been disgusting to me… I remember seeing him going on a random neiman marcus shopping spree online. Not around the holidays or anything, just blowing money for no reason… he always brag that he’s the “100 dollar man” because he walks around with 100 dollar bills and randomly gives them to people. He’s so weird and disgusting. Lock him up!!
Exactly. It will come out. He got away with it once…this probably emboldened his disgusting lust
He was not in his "early twenties". He is 62 now, 35 years ago he was 27! He was almoat 30 assaulting a middle school child. He was in her home, she couldn't get away. Horrible 😢
The offense was when he was 19 in 1982-1986/87.
He was 20 when it started, and it continued until he was 24.
He told the 12 year girl that she couldn’t say anything. At some point after it ended she confided in a friend, who encouraged her to tell her parents. He only confessed when he was confronted about it. This is the typical behavior of sexually abusive people. To this day he minimizes it.
@@edwardsfinancialoh he was 19? Ok then Robert can rape away I guess… what did your comment prove?? And your wrong anyways check the facts, dates, articles, you’ll see he wasn’t 19
@@edwardsfinancial Even if what you say is true, does it make it any better? I hope you are getting paying to defend him, because doing this for free is pathetic.
You are so right, this is so terrible
Men scream about church leadership and this happens repeatedly on their watch but they don’t report it. Repentance is about your soul, but his flesh needed to be punished. He should’ve gone to prison and been a registered sex offender.
it always happens this way. Sort of like those women school teachers that have sex with 10 year old boys!
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Absolutely
Yes!
hundred percent
Yes absolutely disqualified for any leadership!!! SHE WAS 12 YEARS OLD !!!! SHE WAS A CHILD !!!! He didn't pay for his sin because he covered it up . He should have gone to prison!!!
Exactly! What part of this do some of you not get??
I know someone else who did time for merely touching a teenager's thigh!! He'd had too much to drink, it was a one time thing and there was
no insertion of any type.
Yet he was sent away for a few years then had to register as a sex offender.
Some people have money and clout. Some don't.
Be nice if the playing field was more even for everyone.
Dude, this isn't just a sin. What Morris did was a *crime*. And he did it over and over and over again. He should have been turned over to the cops in 1987 when he confessed to his elders. But he didn't. This is a guy who should have never been in a pulpit.
YES!!!!
I know of a 27 yr old man who had sex with a 12 yr old girl 1 time and did 7 years in prison.
100%!
Paul was a murderer but a great apostle. It is God who calls and qualifies. Only God can disqualify. Don't go to his church, don't listen to him. That is your choice.
@@Godfearman23 If the elders of the church made the members aware that there was a fox in the hen house, if the members agreed to have the predator lead them then fine. I don't think that happened.
Once you mess with a child you have to go. Stidies show that these kind of people mindset dont ever change. He's prolly using the church as cover up. The fact he was married and still SA a 12yr old child. Idc if it was 35yrs ago, he shouldnt be pastoring anyone. He needs to sit down and not be around anyones child. Those thoughts might overcome him again and he acts on it. Nope!!! I have kids and if i found this out about my pastor im leaving the church.
He needs to register AZ s3x offender.
These things are more common in Islam. Yemen, Syria, India, Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc Muhammed had a nine year old little girl as a wife
I think this is as nasty and disgusting as you guys, but if a person really submits themselves to God they will change, and you won't be able to recognize them. Their appearance yes, but character personality, no. Has he changed? I have no idea. I feel like he talked about it because he got caught. But God can heal anything.
This is hypocrisy!!! He's had no scandals for over 35 years!!! Doesn't that prove he's a changed man? Christians believe Jesus can change the worst of people in society, but the same Christians are quick to hold someone to sins they committed several decades ago before they came to Christ. So which is it? Can Christ fully change a person or not? Again, he's had no scandals in 35 years!!! Is that not proof he's changed?
@@Siacourage yes he can change someone completely, but I don't know him. People look one way in public, and in secret they are another. Usually it only takes one to talk about their experience, and then more follow. So I guess time will tell.
He is garage, not only because of what he did, but because while telling of this story, he referred to her as a "young lady" when in fact she was a child. He can't even be honest today about that.
It’s truly manipulative.
He also lied and said he had the blessing of the elders and her dad to go back into the pulpit when in fact the victim said her dad NEVER wanted Morris to ever go back into the pulpit.
Exactly 🎯
That shows his disdain for literally everyone.
Reeks of pride, the initial sin of Lucifer...
That’s what made me upset
sort a like Tony Evens?
Absolutely disqualified now, and never should have been allowed back into ministry then!
Yup, he’s done. Our pastors need to be men of trust and integrity and no event like that is acceptable. No matter how far back.
sort of like Tony Evens?
Never around children
Why not put in jail?
@@InTruthNLoveStatue of limitations 😓
Exactly! It's a sin that has been ONGOING for 35 yrs. He raped a child as a grown man with a family of his own. He kept raping this girl for several years. When found out, he offered her hush money. When she declined, he had his lawyer accuse that girl of "bringing the rape upon herself because she had been FLIRTHING". A 12-year old?! He kept revictimizing that child, and so did her parents and all church folk who knew about the molestation and DID NOT REPORT IT to the authorities and see that he faces justice. They all failed this girl BIG TIME. This sin has never been repented of. If it had been, he would have turned himself in and accepted the punishment. A manipulative pedophile, got famous and rich, yet never stopped to abuse the girl. So so sad... Church, wake up, and hold the criminals accountable!
He should have been reported then and there.
Romans 13 he also wrote a book on tithing he is sick 🐺 🦊
The fact that he was married with children of his own at the time is even more disturbing… I read the article and was beyond disgusted but now to know that he was married with children just makes this worse… I wonder if his daughters and granddaughters are/were safe😡😡😡
I thought it was before he was married??? He was in early 20's living with this family. The relationship was "mutual" .. (he is an adult he us still responsible) but I know people who are 19 dating 13-14 year old.
Over 4 years, she was 16!
Not really a child anymore.
Obviously we are missing pieces of this puzzle.
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If you know people who are 19 dating 12-14 years old then they are pedos and if you find nothing wrong with it then you are also participating in pedo behavior.
He is disqualified… he has been exposed for who he is… period.
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"Disqualified" is exactly the correct term.
Of course, he can seek God's forgiveness, but he should never be allowed near a pulpit again.
....but of course he will. He'll just wait for things to settle down, and it'll literally be business as usual.
Her parents were protecting him. The 3 of them should be in prison.
Paul was a murderer but after he became a great apostle. It is God who calls and qualifies. Only God can disqualify. Don't go to his church, don't listen to him. That is your choice. But to say that he has to step out of the pulpit!!!! Only his church members can decide. And even, nobody is forced to go to a church. Just switch and go somewhere else. Maybe on God's eyes, he is like someone who has never done something wrong. 2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
@@Godfearman23 he should be prosecuted for his crimes. Being a Christian doesn’t give him immunity.
He was an adult. She was a child. I would never trust him around a child again.
Ever!
AMEN!! He should have faced jail time over this!! It's amazing how God is exposing it all now.
What happened to forgiveness?? Are we picking and choosing what sin is forgivable? Won’t that make you a hypocrite?
@@jamilbiotech91 Forgiveness requires repentance and Morris has not been repentant.
How is he not repentant if he submitted himself to the discipline of the Elders and was sat down for 2 yrs? Also, he has not had any other incidents.
Robert Morris should not be leading a church. The elders who authorized his return to ministry should be asked to leave. The elders knew about the predator, yet they allowed the wolf back into the church. The ...young lady ...was a kid...Robert Morris is lying in his disclosure. I wonder what the church members think about Robert Morris's behavior. What if he has compromised other children. Corey thank you for your thoughtful response to Robert Morris's egregious behavior. I am enraged, I am a survivor of sexual assault at age 5. You never see things the same after you have been compromised. May the Lord be with the victim Cindy Clemishire she and her family certainly need our prayers. I am glad that Cindy stepped forward, she may have saved the little ones in the church from sharing the same fate as her.
That's is why, I left the ⛪ church due pedophila beliefs smh
When you also bring in the fact that the elders authorized his return to ministry, it just looks like a good ole boy club. Also, that is a "God told me" Church. If people just say God told me to return to being the pastor, then how are you going to top that? The people are "God told me" people and the doctrine is a "God told me" doctrine.
Mega churches don’t care about people . They only create sheep’s to feed their pockets
it always happens this way. Sort of like those women school teachers that have sex with 10 year old boys!
God Bless you, dear one and Thank you for bringing light to the darkness!! He is to be held accountable for what he did!! He hid his sin and should repent before God, and you/and man!! Much love to you! 🙏 ❤️
I cried when I first heard of this story because I know the scars that remain after this kind of violation. It doesn't matter whether it was 35 years or 35 minutes ago. My prayers are with the victim and I have forgiveness for the violator; however, I will no longer listen to this person.
Stop blaming him!
@@VictorianMaid99 Why?
@@wrinthiak3431 that is easy to explain. When a preacher is this rich he does not give a damn who he runs over. The 501C3 church is EVERYTHING and no little girl he rapes is going to get in the way!
@@VictorianMaid99
Having an affair with a consenting adult is different from violating a child. He has a victim who has not healed from this traumatic sin.
@@VictorianMaid99 Robert Morris is guilty of pedophilia. He needed to serve jail time. He is a wolf,- his teachings are false!
The father should have pressed charges. Period. This is so sad, but sadly, nothing surprises me anymore.
You know they didn't have sex. No point in been too hard
He was a 26 yr old married Pastor when his sexual abuse of a 12 yr old was found out. The molestation occured until she was 16. The leadership at shady Grove covered up the sin. Morris told his church from the pulpit that he had a "moral failure". Never did he disclose it was pedophilia to the congregation. Now he has an attorney that says the girl was flirtatious! He should step down for hiding and minimizing this crime.
... and even used his attorney to reduce his payment to her for her treatment by half. What a great guy, huh?
If it was my daughter, I would need forgiveness.
It wouldn't have been defined as paedophilia at that time. It would still have been defined as statutory rape with a minor depending on the jurisdiction. It shouldn't have been swept under the rug back then, because now the guy is not ready for the fiery trial set before him.
Paul was a murderer but a great apostle
@@Godfearman23 Paul didn't diddIe 12 y oI's and then use the court system to silence them while pretending to "repent"
It seems like none of these pastors that are caught in sexual sins ever get reported by the church, or the victim, therefore they never go to jail for their offense.
NEVER. Way too much money on the line here. Think Tony Evens or TD Jakes.
VictorianMaid99, are you a bot or AI?? Or a member of his church that’s getting paid to make dumb comments??? You keep randomly posting about Evans or Jakes under every comment. Stop being weird.
Bringing other flawed pastors into the discussion doesn’t minimize or take away what Robert Morris did.
@@VictorianMaid99Tony Evans made it clear that what he did was not criminal, and he was smart to say so.
Because they belong to secret societies such as free masons and Illuminati. All of these mega churches have wolves as pastors. You don’t get a big tv platform without belonging with the “club”.
@@micheleonel5068 smart as a pimp!
This is why I don't use the excuse "they human," "David sinned too," "cast ye the first stone," "just let God deal with it," or "touch not my anointed," because if sin is sin and all we need to do is forgive and move on, why not use these excuses for him?
Personally, not everyone deserves restoration back to the pulpit, but maybe restoration back to Christian fellowship, but you have to be wise about that, too. He'll never be left alone around kids. A person with this mindset just doesn't lose attraction for kids, that's why they have to stay away or not be alone with them.
Agreed.
Plus people who used the "Touch not God's anointed" excuse are taking it out of context as the only reason David said that about Saul was because Abishai was going to murder Saul in his sleep and David prevented that, and we people calling Morris out haven't wished death nor murder on him.
@saintsheepy6682 Exactly. Context is everything.
Paul said it was reported to me in 1 cor 5. In other letters Paul mentioned Demas, Philetus, Alexander, and Hymenaeus and mentioned what they did.
People think it's gossip speaking about it. If so, then Paul received gossip from the corinthians and was guilty of spreading it himself. It needs to be addressed so the church can do its job and keep Christ and the purity of the church intact. Paul gave no excuses.
@@1timetoliveright Amen!
It baffles me how so many people defending Morris don't get this passage!
@@saintsheepy6682 Amen.
No father should ever let his child, daughter, son be alone with the opposite sex. She went in his bedroom at night in her pj's. And you allowed that daddy dearest? It's Wisdom, People Body of Christ wake up!!! We live in a time where satan doesn't even hide anymore and you still done see him. It's ignorance!
And to think that children are alone all day in school with strangers
@@SheIsFearfullyWonderfullyMade The parents are not supposed to mindlessly trust other adults with their kids, whether at church or not. Let's set aside the fact that the "Christian" concepts of Sunday school and youth pastors are totally unbiblical in the first place. Matter of fact, that's the root cause of this sort of stuff: giving ppl authority that (1) doesn't exist in the Bible and (2) that they shouldn't have been given to begin with.
Yes ma’am! Truth!
That's like implying that parents are to blame if a babysitter rapes their child.
That's disgusting.
There will ALWAYS be at least a few occasions in the life of a child where there are left with someone.
Mr Morris is 100% to blame.
And the apparent cover-up (including referring to her as a "young lady" 🙄) compounds the issue.
If he had confessed EVERYTHING after it happened (including her age) it would have been much better for everyone involved, including him.
But he would have lost his job.
That's what it seems he was most concerned about, not his relationship with God.
God is LIGHT. Hiding the truth is not Godly. He chose to make things worse.
I doubt he has a relationship with God. God has no fellowship with darkness.
AMEN, YOU DONT LEAVE YOUR CHILD WITH A GROWN MAN OR TEENAGER
The fact that he did not bother to do any restitution for the lady tells me he is not broken about his sin.
Yessss!
are you kidding? That church cannot afford that!
@@VictorianMaid99 From his own pockets! He's a multi millionaire.
He could also have respected her enough to have told the full story when he first "confessed".
Still referring to her as a "young lady" is NOT being truthful. She was a girl.
@@leenieledejo6849 when a preacher is this rich he does not give a damn who he runs over. The 501C3 church is EVERYTHING and no little girl he rapes is going to get in the way!
How can we church goers trust that the elder boards at these churches will RIGHTLY judge the sins of a pastor/leader according to biblical standards (seen in 1 Tim 3; Titus 1; 1 Tim 5:19-25) and not show them favoritism because "he's a great man of God/he's charismatic/he brings in a lot of money," if the nature of the sin is not disclosed to us? Don't people who donate money to these men have the right to know who they are supporting? 🤔🤔🤔 How is it that Robert Morris was allowed to continue preaching and church members kept going to hear him?
Just asking because 1 Tim 5:20 (NIV) says an elder caught in sin is to be "rebuked publicly" .....I dont know what entails the "rebuke" but it seems like just sharing the nature of the sin (sexual, lying, stirring up mess) might cut down on confusion and gossip amongst the members and ministry supporters and allow them the necessary information to stop their financial support
Every one needs to be aware of him it's a lawsuit I'd leave quickly
@@tinaanderson200 exactly!!
@@tic8259 Great point, thanks.
Any church (including RM) that lawyers up and ask the child/family to sign and NDA is not even practicing true Christianing- they are a social club. They are covering up. I love what it says in the Word: What it is done in the dark will come to light. I wish the best for the victim.
Moral failures, they need to call it what it is, pedophile = sex offender = registry. Church should have reported the CRIME
What was done in the dark will come to the light. This is good and necessary especially in the church!
It blows me away that people would pursue ministry with such high level controversies in their past, don’t they know this stuff always comes out?
Pride gets in the way especially when you become successful and making bank.
Being an influential minister always guarantees some measure of protection of scrutiny within the churches of traditional Christianity. In a certain sense, that's why it pays to be a celebrity pastor. There is always going to be a group of ppl that don't really look at sin as being sin because they're caught up in someone's hype.
Remember lucifer thought he could be equal with God.
He is 100% disqualified
She is the one he could not buy off. An adult who pursues a child is not a leader.
Of course if he violated a child, especially if he was a Christian, he is disqualified for ministry. How is this even a question? Who cares when it happened?
Just another reason why so many are leaving the church system.
He sure does. His theology his disgusting enough
His theology is Biblical.
Robert Morris is a false teacher @@edwardsfinancial
@@edwardsfinancial.....I wouldn't say that Sir Edward....sounds like you need to study the actual Bible.....
@@edwardsfinancial is it biblical to abuse someone?
@@edwardsfinancial Maybe read, study and memorize Matthew 18:6, Mark 9:42 and Luke 17:2, and especially 1 Corinthians 5:1-8, that perfectly sums up Morris fanboys, including you.
He should not be in a pulpit. Period
Agreed, step away from the pulpit…was there no one else better with integrity to serving and following God in the position of ‘Pastor’? If he had died, someone else would have had to be hired, what’s wrong with this church? This is why people think all christians are fake, they all behave like the world while they say they follow Christ…Not! They put God’s name in a bad place. This is not right, leader positions are held to higher accountability. Step down, don’t get in the way by casting a bad light on God so others don’t want God for themselves. If he behaves that way as a ‘Christian’, I don’t want any part of that, etc.
Paul was a murderer but a great apostle. It is God who calls and qualifies. Only God can disqualify. Don't go to his church, don't listen to him. That is your choice.
Restoration is bring back into fellowship; however, this type of behavior should definitely disqualify from Pastoral teaching and Pastoral Leadership.
With all due respect, the bible aside, he committed a criminal act against a child. He should be treated as criminal and serve jail time. More rhan likely there are more victims out there.
No matter who you are or "PRETEND" to be, whether it take days, weeks, months or YEARS, what's in the dark, shall come to the light.
**HIRING A LAWYER to harass and blame the victim a child and trying to make her sign an NDA is NOT the fruit of REPENTANCE.** This Victimized Child Now a Woman should be COMPENSATED! He was allowed to get rich and NOT go to jail, that's the least he can do! True fruit of repentance is "sitting himself down" to not torment the victim to have to hear and see him everywhere...smh...PROTEST for this man to pay this Woman and to just retire and focus on his personal walk with God.
Prison time…. Why did he serve none? That little girl was utterly failed…. Utterly 😢
Amen!!! This is so evil!! But not shocking ..God is Revealing everybody in 2024! The shaking will get even worse!!
I just did a short expose video on my channel here too about Robert Morrris! I think it will,bless you 😊
Ran across your video today. Good discussion with biblical thought and wisdom. Wil be watching your channel more
I remember hearing a story of a Pastor in America.
Before THE LORD JESUS CHRIST saved him, he was a rapist. He said that he could not help himself but he cried out for help one day and from that day he stopped raping.
He read THE WORD, his life was renewed, got baptised.
For years several decades, he was preaching the GOSPEL. Then one day he was at a convention with Bishops and Pastors he knew and knew him very well. They were discussing about sins and he told them about his sin before he was saved by THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
The day, all his friends disappeared. They refused to take his calls, he was no longer invited to conferences, to preach because they could not get over that he was once a rapist!
This is what some Christians don’t understand The Salvation THE LORD JESUS CHRIST gives.
The vilest offender, who truly believes a moment with JESUS a pardon receives!
And this is the situation. If you confess to THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and that is your past life leave it in the past.
We have the HOLY SPIRIT within us so, we can test their spirit. Additionally, where is our forgiveness; knowing that the LORD JESUS CHRIST forgave us.
I agree. He should be sat down for all the reasons you stated--he's not above reproach, and he's not of good reputation. He acted like a predatory monster by betraying that family's trust, esp the father, since he's the head of the household, and he perpetrated a child, not a young lady. She was 12 when he started messing over her. And he was dishonest about what he actually did and lied to cover it up. And he's still lying about it. I can understand the now woman still talking about it, b/c she did not receive justice. It's hard to have been so egregiously violated and on top of that to see your perpetrator living his life with no consequences and the whole church behind him. I'd holler, too.
IMO, this is coming up 35 years later b/c of unconfessed sin. The Lord does not tolerate persistence in sin. He said He'd "raise your robe over your head and expose your nakedness" if you did (said it to the Levites). God is serious about His Name and His little lambs. There are no exceptions. He whooped Nadab and Abihu, Hophni and Phineas, and King David and Moses, Aaron, and Miriam. He doesn't play. He is holy, and we must be holy.
I hope all truly repent, Robert and the church that covered this mess up, and further attacked this woman via legal proceedings (even more egregiousness). And I hope the victim gets the healing and care she needs.
Thanks, Corey, for your thorough, righteous, and fair assessment of and remedy for this horrible situation.
The parents made a choice back then, to speak with him and his father and they forgave him they supposedly said. But they said, they told the church he was pastoring back then, to never let him be over a church again. The church sat him down for 2yrs and he was pastoring again. This is why the family is speaking out now. The child is grown now and speaking out, that she was only 12 and not a young lady as he stated. The Family should have had him arrested, and he would have been put on the registry as a pedophile. Then he could have repented in prison, serving his time. He should not have been allowed to be a Pastor again over no church again. Forgiveness is okay, the family spoke with him back then and chose not to prosecute him at their own will to do so. He should have been prosecuted and the crime justified for their daughter. The parents didn't prosecute him. He was sat down for only 2yrs. That's horribly wrong by the church, he should have never been allowedl to pastor again over a flock, this was a child. God forgive all yes of our sins. This is how the Catholic church did, they allowed these priest, to be moved from perish to perish, as these priest continued to assault young boys for decades over and over again. None of these priest ever went to prison. The families of these children assaulted were paid off for the assaults. The families took the money and settled. Pastor Morris should not have been allowed to still Pastor, because of the harm it brings in light of the church, the people who now know everything. The church us now in a uproar today. Tony Evans confessed sin, from years ago and now the church is in a uproar today, over his unknown past sin. See how their old sin has the churches in a uproar today. God forgives yes, but they should be sat down for good, because of the aftermass of the uproar of the church right now.
That’s a LIE! Her parents NEVER forgave or gave their blessing…Morris lied!
@@blazee3895 okay, but truth as it was written, the parents ABSOLUTELY! did not call the police, have him arrested; locked up for the justice of their child, where he would have been put on the registry as a pedophile for life!. They made a choice, to not prosecute this man back then. The parents talked to him and told the church to not allow him to Pastor or be around children. But the parents made a grown folks decision to not prosecute this man, for assaulting their daughter. So that had to be forgiveness because they didn't have him locked away like most parents would have. It's not my word this is the statement that was read and wrote. They didn't have the man locked up when they found out. So don't get mad at me, this is what was read. I'm done here. God forgives us of our sins, yes, but the parents could have gotten more justice for their daughter, by having him locked away. So they forgave him by not prosecuting him. That's what they decided not to do. I said what I said and that's it. Byyeee!.
WHY IS THE FAMILY SPEAKING OUT NOW....
@@lorettajeanmasterpiece6446 Let’s keep the blame where it belongs…on the predator! He’s responsible for his actions!
@@blazee3895 I said that in all my post, he should have went to prison I said that many times. If it had been my 12 yr old child, he would have been prosecuted and did his time in prison and they would have put him on the pedophile registry for life. My prayers go out to all families affected. God has the say so of it all
I'm done and God be with everyone.
Reach out to the victim and have him jailed.
Be jailed for something he committed 35 years ago? He hasn't had any scandals since then. Does Jesus not change people? So because he mol***ed a child 35 years ago his identity must forever be tied to that incident? Fake Christians!!!
Thank you brother for your humility and sensitivity in your words and judgements regarding this situation, 🙏 praying
If he was not embarrassed of it, even if his embarrassment was personal to himself, then he is still the same internally. Mistakes is one thing we all make them, and some mistakes should be a one time event, then move on from it knowing in your heart it was wrong and should be deeply saddened by it. Covering up a act in this degree though is not moving on from a one time moral failure. Actions speak louder than words.
What about the victim? How was she taken care of, along these years ? Even if he is forgiven what about this life that was broken and damaged ? It is not only a ministry issue. If he was truly repentant he would have done everything to care, and repair the damage that he caused.
Robert Morris 🥺🙏🏾 Exposure is on a all time high with some of these pastors darkness all secrets are being revealed God knows the right timing for revelation to come to full light this is sad pray for his family the members and it's the godly thing to do let us all pray but give all Honor and Glory to our Lord .Amen? Amen 🙏🏾🙋🏾♀️
Thank you for having the kindest and well rounded opinion I’ve seen on social media thus far. You truly showed the love of Christ brother. I’m completely heartbroken over this situation and see where Cindy and Pastor Robert were both failed by their families, pastors, and elders. I’m praying for healing and restoration all involved. 🙏
How about someone who actively tried to murder as many Christians as possible? For example Saul of Tarsus. Can he still become the Apostle Paul?
For Paul, that was before he became a Christian. For Morris, it was after, and as a pastor. There is a big difference.
@@ruthmayforth5933 So now there is grace ONLY for non-christians?
@@glstka5710 Grace for all who repent and believe; BUT pastors are held to a higher standard and per the Bible must be above reproach, and sadly Morris’ pedophilic actions for 4 1/2 years while married and while a pastor - he disqualified himself early in his career bringing reproach on himself, and on the name of Jesus.
I saw a church sign a few years ago that read, " Make a mistake once a mistake, make a mistake twice it's a decision". Now the record states this went on for four and a half years. Make no mistake this was not a simple one time mistake for him, this was his way of life.
It's extremely doubtful the child was his only victim and the only place for him and the wife who aided & abetted in the cover-up of his crimes is prison - she even blamed the child!
Right she is an enabler. In one of his sermons he said he had MULTIPLE affairs and now I’m wondering if they are children
@@Itsnice2Right! Especially since he called his 12 year old victim a “young lady.”
@@caroldonaldson5936 gossip much? Good grief!
@@petefults5984 Gossip? Still in denial are we Robert??🤷
@@caroldonaldson5936 yes..gossip. sorry, my name isn't Robert
The question is why people wait so long to confess to a sin and then expect people to not feel some type of way .He waited because he knew he would loose everything before he got started good ( selfishness) so he is not repentive nor does he feel bad ,because it was 35 years ago and if he retired it wouldn't make him no mind
He confessed 35 years ago. At least that is what I heard in the video
@@SamuelQuaye-zs4uc No he didn't confess. The girl told her parents and the parents told the church elders. He NEVER confessed. He later told the church he had an affair with a young lady but didn't disclose any details. He's STILL lying.
Yes! And I’m sure it wasn’t the only time. Unfortunately!
It NEVER is!
An affair with an ADULT 35 years ago is one thing. But grooming a child means I would never ever trust you around kids. Children are in church and they should not be around adults that could possibly harm them. And this is more than a moral failure as described in that written statement. It's a crime.
Many so called confessions are coloured to make it sound less gross. It would be for the good of the Church that he step down.
So… are we running background on youth workers? He wouldn’t be able to pass my church’s safe sanctuary check to clean the church, or work any where near kids. If he’d been handled appropriately then, he’d be on a SO list - by his admittance. If he’s repented, he’s forgiven. But there are earthly consequences. Does full forgiveness mean he’s allowed to stay at your house around your kids? No.
Another point, as one of the largest churches in America, I’m pretty sure they have keyman insurance on Morris. If so, he and church leaders were asked a series of questions to assess the level of risk associated with Morris. Lying to obtain insurance is a crime. It always comes out in the wash. So I’ll pray for the victim and the flock, hold my peace and let God be God.
But if he was never charged and convicted would he have flagged on your check? The church covered it up so he was allowed to operate in secret
@@dahliaherrod4301 not necessarily - we ask for 3 personal references and it depends on who he chose and their willingness to be honest. BUT my point is, now knowing what we all know he would not be eligible to serve around kids, and in my opinion this would disqualify him from pastoring them. He’s an admitted child S abuser.
@@NeneNaturally oh I totally agree. The elders completely dropped the ball. It's good you guys check for personal references but even then people can pick references who will give generous referrals. Unfortunately, background checks aren't foolproof. We also need to train staff to be diligent in their duty to protect children with zero tolerance.
Speaking from experience, what some people doesn't realize, is that there are things that people do to you and when they have forgotten all about it, you're still dealing with the trauma.
We are all sinners! Even with our minds we sin! I praise God for His love, mercies and forgiveness over me! 😢
My main issue with this whole situation is the “cover up” the “concealing” of this pastors sin .
Does anyone know what those words mean? They represent “occult”.
This behavior is straight up witchcraft right in the church .
I have been in churches where leadership have covered up for a pastor, and it never ends well 😢
Bring it into the light like Jesus says to, and then it loses its power!🙌🏼⚔️☦️❤️
my question is Why does he have to be a pastor again? sure I believe he can have full forgiveness with repentance.
But why cant these fallen pastors go dig ditches, work in a factory, sweep streets,etc... and serve the Lord . it seems like most of these celebrity pastors act like secular work is below them.
You spoke with mercy and great biblical wisdom. While I do NOT in anway condone Robert Morris behavior more than 35 years ago I applaud you for standing strong in the way God would want us (His children) to approach the matter. It is refreshing to see there are still good Christians not standing by with stones in their hands ready to throw at another.
What he did is incredibly wrong, I've heard him countless times state he was guilty of horrible things in his younger years. While I have not committed the same sins he has, Im guilty of sin myself.
Instead of throwing stones I'll leave this in Gods hands.
because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment
James 2:13
Isaiah 43:25: "I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins"
Truth shall spring out of the earth, And righteousness shall look down from heaven. 85:11
He needs to be in jail. He can find his help there possibly. I cannot see how after all this time, that law enforcement will not intervene. There are statue of limitations up to 50 years to report abuse in most states now regarding SA.
“Laying of hands” indeed C Minor 😂. Happy Father’s Day to you and all other father’s that see this. 🤝
lying on God is a moral failing. Saying if you don't tithe your sinning and opening doorways to demons. His book in my opinion is an affront to God.
The is what pedophiles do have manipulative mindset he's crazy smh 😮
He commited this act while he was pastoring a church. He disqualified himself back then and is in violation.
@@Thankyoukels he was a traveling evangelist.
It doesn't matter *when* it happened. It must still have been traumatising for the victim.
And something she thinks about every day of her life 😢
A four year long sexual abuse of a minor. My grandkids it's are twelve I'm so angry
He is in fact a 😈 👿 😮I'm getting from these churches ⛪
There is a video of RM doing the rounds where he talks about what he done AND what he says about young girls & women is SICKENING to the core! He WAS old enough to know what he was doing was ABUSE as he was in his 20's...he's an embarrassment to the church!
If the statute of limitations isn’t up, this man needs to go to prison.
I have been watching a lot of channels “christian” channels and yours is the first that I feel that it is not just a bunch of gossip but actually touching all the issues about being restored, how people disqualify you because of past sins even though restoration can happen etc. I appreciate your view. I feel the Church needs to listen to this type of thinking a lot more.
yes, level-headed commentary.
Why didn't he go to jail? He can still be forgiven. Should he have been in ministry after those lewd acts? NO!
Sometimes the church thinks forgiveness means no consequences. He should have been reported to the authorities when her parents found out and dealt with at that time. Now that it has come out, it would be difficult for that stain to not be seen and he should be removed. He can still live a life dedicated to Christ but it will call for great humility on his part for him to continue to serve in some capacity in the kingdom. It just should not be as a pastor.
Everything you said is well stated. There are so many who are holding on to unforgiveness. Thank you for your detailed examination of this topic and keeping it from the Godly perspective. That is the right way to proceed.
It's the fact he tried to cove and say it was before when he was a teen ager...or she was a young lady NO SHE WAS A LIL GIRL😭 he should be held accountable and pay consequences
He wrote a book about 12 yrs ago where he said that his temporary stepping down from the ministry was because he recognized he had too much spiritual pride. He lied to the world when he did that. It shows an insufficiently penitent heart
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Live in God's Word and let God’s Word live in You. Be a doer of God’s Word and not a hearer or reader only. Spend time with God daily in prayer. Pray about everything. Pray for the gift of discernment. Seek God’s face. Learn God’s voice. Keep your focus on God. Be faithful to God. If someone tells you something that does not line up with the Word of God, denounce it. God can’t lie and God will never go against His Word. Ask God to show you yourself, your heart, and allow God to work on you. Ask God to show you the hearts of the people you allow close to you. And be prepared to let some people go.
He's already disqualified as a pastor by what he teaches!
Hard to believe she was the only victim. This type of behavior is often repeated.
Sexual encounters with minors should have zero tolerance. How disgusting
Her case was 35 years ago. A molester doesn’t do this once… there are most certainly more victims
You are exactly right. How do we look at him the same again? He is a stain on the Body of Christ & he needs to step down. It's just another blow to the church & Christianity.
Everybody sins, and no one is perfect, but there are certain kinds of situations that warrant not being a pastor anymore. If a pastor molests a child, has sex with teenage girls, rapes someone, etc, they should never work as a pastor ever again for the remainder of their life due to the severity of infraction.
Plus....go to prison as most anyone else would have to!!!
@@Titus2-13 I agree with you.
His sin was disgusting. Guess what? YOUR sin is disgusting. MY sin is disgusting. Do our sins, past or present, or future, look like his? Based on the comments, absolutely not, but there's a LOT of "well, at LEAST I don't sin like HE sinned!" going on in these comments. The comparative sin/self righteousness is DISTURBING. ALL FOR SHORT. Paul straight up participated in MULTIPLE MURDERS and wrote close to 25 percent of the New Testament we all read almost EVERY DAY! What? You're ok with HIS style of sinning, so you won't stop reading his section of The Bible, right? Stop the silliness just because a person's sins DO NOT LOOK LIKE YOURS, church. We KNOW what it's called to treat a person a certain way because of a sin they committed from a past they cannot go back and change and the last time I checked, in Christ Jesus, THAT AIN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN. ESPECIALLY, not from us. Repent. God bless.
I agree with everything you said. We all fall short of the Glory ofl God. And in His Ultimate Mercy He presented us with a Savior.
All of that being said, remember some people here are just finding this out and in our sin nature, are reacting to that. I personally think anything that has to do with abuse should be enough to disqualify someone from serving as a pastor...and yes, that means forever. You can serve God in other ways other than running a multi million dollar church. Besides, the mans theology alone is enough to give me pause as to him leading the flock.
@@whoathatsanicememe3093 I completely hear you and I'm not defending his theology. Today was my first time even hearing of this man. I'm moreso talking about the ideals upheld by God's written Word and you're absolutely correct that people are reacting in their flesh. Arguably, Paul was a Pastor. Should his multiple past murders have disqualified him from being a Pastor? Forever? Or, is it because his sin differs from what this Pastor did in his past, that made it ok for Paul to be a Pastor? I know we have our own personal opinions, but ultimately, it's about what GOD says. It kind of reminds me of Paul's conversion when Jesus came to Ananais and told him to heal Paul of his blindness. In Ananais' opinion, based on what's written, he was scared, but he probably also had the opinion to himself that Paul wasn't worthy, but GOD said he was. I digress, I don't know this man from Adam, but we gotta do a better job of making sure we treat others how Christ would want us to treat others. I apologize if I wrote too much. I mean absolutely no offense nor am I trying to argue. I just know we can do better.
@@whoathatsanicememe3093 Just now, I saw a meme that says, "Don't allow the devil to make you feel guilty for something that God has forgiven and forgotten." We just have to make sure we aren't helping satan out, you know?
@robertdavis3036 you didn't write too much....I'm old school and enjoy reading. I appreciate your willingness to help me understand your position. I still feel as though he shouldn't be in a lead pastor position. Again, I don't trust his theology and that is my main concern with him. I can't give you an ultimate reason as to why he shouldn't be a pastor due to his past. Abuse is very difficult to forgive. And in my flesh I'm having a difficult time doing so. Maybe with some more study of scripture and through prayer I could see it...
Or lets just say this. I am commanded to forgive, so I will. But ...
in the end, it's really not for me to say if he does or doesn't continue to lead. That's in the hands of his congregation. I will pray for them to come to the best decision. I think we all should.
@@whoathatsanicememe3093 I completely understand that. Amen
Same thing happened at Prestonwood Baptist Church. A youth pastor there was SA several boys there and they swept it all under the rug, only for the youth pastor to go to another church and do it all over again. Infuriating. I believe "pastor" Jack Graham's exact words were, "Well, it's in their ball court now". Shameful!
What I find incredible is how many people are asking why she has waited until now and suggesting her motive is merely money and also to say that because he’s repented it should be enough. It needs to be investigated no matter how long ago it was, if it is found that her claims are true he needs to face the consequences of his actions. It is truly tragic, even if it happened when she was 17 he was in his 20’s and in a position of leadership and it was an abuse of his authority and a matter of safeguarding. Of course we all sin and we want to be shown grace and mercy but we must also know and understand that when we are leaders we are held to a higher level of accountability. When we as believers try to gloss over sin as some are attempting to do in this case we are not honouring God. I understand this case could have been dealt with differently at the time but now we know of this allegation, did she say at the time she was 12 years of age? If the leaders knew how old she was why didn’t they deal with this properly
Also, for those stating the parents should have gone to the police, the father was going to report it but the elders pretty much begged him not to and to allow them to handle it in-house by making the pastor step down. The girl's father told them that if he remained pastor that he was going to the police. 2 years later, when the pastor went back into ministry, the little girl's father didn't approve. But the article notes that the pastor is telling people that he had her father's blessing. The victim says that's false, that her father did not give him his blessing, that the pastor was lucky he had his life (you can read between the lines). Look, many of these leaders manipulate and try to guilt people into allowing the church to "handle" situations like these. I think they manipulated this family. Not only that, but for anybody who thinks this man should step down from being pastor, but can still teach, you're bugging! He should not be teaching anybody. He just needs to sit on the pews like everybody else and that's all! Stop trying to throw him back into being over others in any kind of way. He needs to work on healing with his family and he can bring more glory to God by doing other things that don't involve being over others in a religious setting. Go volunteer, feed the homeless, just don't be over others and be around teens without supervision. Tired of this stuff happening over and over and over again and the leaders of these churches are just allowing it. I can remember the son of a pastor taking a 12 year old's virginity (he was way older than her) and the only thing his parents would say was when they thought she might have been pregnant, was..."well she'll have to get an abortion". A Pastor and his wife!!! Whew!!! And people wonder why folks are leaving the churches...because they are hurting people. People don't come to this for abuse. Tired of the excuses!
@@nicolebrooks2876 not true. Her parents didn't want it to get out. I think it's because Cindy did that with other men.
@@petefults5984 you THINK it's because of that??? But you don't know that for sure. So, you don't think the leaders have to be held accountable at all in any of this? Like I said, the wickedness and those who uphold it have got to go. Simple as that.
@@nicolebrooks2876 that's a lie. The elders did not beg her father. Her father told them not to make it public. That is a fact. I said what I think the reason why was because of her involvement with the other men. I don't just guess or make up stuff when I comment. If I'm not sure it's a fact I will state that..
@@nicolebrooks2876 only the ones that knew. Cindy stated only the preacher and one elder knew. I believe thats where the cover up started. Did the other elders investigate it? I dont know. They might have only to discover false information. They might have and decided to cover it up. We dont know that part of it. This happened at a different church many years before Gateway started..
@@nicolebrooks2876 and, in the beginning Cindy stated her and her family gave Robert the blessing he asked for to return to ministry. I took a snapshot of it. Now the story has changed. At first she said there was no phone call between her and Robert. I have a snapshot of that as well. This part I do not know as a fact but I saw somewhere her atty reminded her that there was a phone call and she said, oh yea....
depending on pastor for moral guidance anymore is ridiculous. done . I have maggot pastors who are saying i need to vote for trump I am not white. I don't need to do anything that God does not tell me too.
Don’t vote for Trump, he is and unrepented sinner and
He was supposedly a Christian when this happened...so it's not like he has the "I was unsaved / undegenerated" excuse...I find the condemning part being FOUR-fold. 1) He admits he was a Christian AND married at the time 2) He was only "sorry" AFTER he got caught...NOT by his own confession 3 ) the unforgivably LONG YEARS of time the sin continued 4) He continues to down-play the seriousness of the abominable sin ( against a child ) AND STILL tried to cover his guilt by using a tool of the fallen world...a Non Disclosure Agreement. All of these together ABSOLUTELY and OBVIOUSLY DISQUALIFY him from the ministry...this is not only a NO BRAINER...it is obviously BIBLICALLY MANDATED !!
I’m thankful he’s getting the opportunity to reconcile his sin before the Lord and man. I’m so sorry for both families. There are wives and children who are suffering through this moral failing, but hope is not lost. Remember the Cross!!!
I understand, I was exploited sexually as a minor. It’s horrible but remember Paul’s exhortations and that we’re all sinners. Kindness is repentant confession, acceptance of consequences, then full restoration if he obeys the Word.
And in other news. 275,000 other churches also admitted to covering up.
I know that GOD can heal & forgive BUT once I find out that a person is a pedophile, I can NEVER EVER TRUST YOU AROUND KIDS AGAIN!!!!
What about a liar, a thief etc..?
1. It was her Pastor who encouraged her to tell her story.
2. He is only confessing because it’s coming out and there’s lots of witnesses.
3. He tried to buy her off yrs ago and as a child she declined when his lawyer told her she was flirting with him.
4. It went on for 4 yrs.
5. He was married and had a child and was 30 when it ended.
6. His wife had the audacity to call her and forgive her.
7. She had had a difficult life and never married or had children.
8. I don’t know the Bible well and I KNEW that an elder is to be above reproach. How can he know that and hide such sin for so long.
9. He was also accused by a woman who was being trafficked in what she called Pastor Gate. So there isn’t just one accuser.
10. He hasn’t said anything to his congregation only sent out a staff memo teaching talking points.
11. He makes all of his employees no mater how trite the job sign NDAs. (Pretty sure that isn’t to secure intellectual property since the Bible is all of ours)
12. He’s the 3rd Mega pastor to have issues this yr. This is a hotbed of evil.
All that being said I love how you keep a level head! And it has inspired me because so many people I know not only go to church there but give so much money. It feels personal. So thank you for reminding me Gods plan is always at work. Blessings!
Excellent comment!
Thank you for this comment, please did you say his wife called the abused girl and FORGAVE the abused girl or did I read it wrong?
@@MalaikaLele yes I should have put it in quotes “forgave” her. Like a passive aggressive forgiving. Like the girl was the one in the wrong.
@@CarmenSmithStuder Wow! I m short of words.
@@blazee3895 thank you! I live close and many friends go. So I’m taking it a bit personal. Blessings
Thank you for bringing much clarity and biblical truth/understanding concerning this sin of
his past and how to possibly deal with something like this in order for God's name not to be blasphemed or to bring a reproach on a ministry. I thank the Holy Spirit for how he has used you to bring to us this video in the right spirit.
My question is why is this coming out now when obviously it was dealt with in the 80"s????
Thank you for explaining this in a godly manner!
1 John 1:9 still applies to Rev. Morris regardless of the severity of the sin. There are however, consequences that are the result of the sin. Thank you for using the scriptures, specifically in 1 Samuel. I pray for the the elders of this church because they must do what GOD directs them! I also pray or healing of the young woman, her family, Rev. Morris, his family, his church, and the body of Christ!
Happy Father's Day brother Corey and All my brothers in Christ who are Father's. Blessings to my sisters in Christ.
Yes people can be restored but he didn't go through the proper legal steps. His church covered it up and thats just not right
I pray God gives his other victims the strength and courage to come forth❤
@@blazee3895 you're praying there are other victims. Now THATS sick and depraved!!!!!
@@petefults5984 You are telling on yourself! I pray the truth is revealed about YOU!
@@blazee3895 false. Of course you want something negative. That's obviously your nature.
He needs to step down!