How To Beat The DREADED Junk Baller - Tennis Strategy
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yall better stop telling people how to beat me
Same here. Give them advice....it's not going to work...LOL.
omg you're a junk baller? damn, learn how to play dude
*laughs in drop shot* @@rodrigo964
😂
Will Hunter
Hilarity
I've never played Tennis in my life. Thanks UA-cam for this recommendation it was still interesting to learn.
So when are you going to start playing?
Get out there!
DO IT! Arnold voice
One of my most frequent rivals was a junk baller. I managed to beat him every time but it was like climbing a mountain in dress shoes.
Lol.....climbing a mountain in dress shoes. Don’t be surprised if you hear that in a upcoming video 😉😎
senorgato70 I was a baseliner/junk baller, and I had a high school tennis rival that had the same style, except that he was better at it. I had to wait till I got a short ball, hit an approach, and win points at the net. Also, I drew him to the net and made him hit shots he didn't like to hit when the opportunity arose. I beat him twice in 3 sets, one 2 hours and the other was 3 hours. You have to make a mental commitment that you are going to do whatever it takes to chop that tree down.
Long ago in high school playing for the #1 varsity singles position, I beat all the guys on varsity, but my coach had me also play the top five or so on reserve. Let me tell you, one of those guys was like a freaking wall. Although I beat him, he actually gave me one of the hardest runs for the position! Don't ever underestimate your opponent.
brogans...?
Climbing a mountain in dress shoes 😂😂😂
For most of us rec players, our footwork mirrors the speed of the ball. When we play opponents who hit the ball slower, our feet slow down and cause us to feel like we aren't able to be aggressive with our strokes. One key is what the Nate mentioned here about having to move your feet with more steps to get in better position and force our strokes to keep up. The other point I liked is the slow hands part which keeps us from over-hitting on our shots and not beating ourselves. Excellent advice guys, Thanks!
@fab0361 you hit it on the nose my man! 🎯 Thanks for the solid input! 🍻 -Nate
Love playing “pushers”.... makes me aware of my deficiencies.
Great point. It does. My overhead had to be bettered to cope with the eventual refuge of the junkers. Now ? I look forward to an interesting couple of hours of testing my smash ready for real opponents !!
That's the right attitude. Your game will continue to improve. The pusher plays to your weakness.
Joe Marshall you’ve got it!!!
Junkballers are different than pushers. Junkers will spin you to death.
Clicked on this to find out what a junk baller is. Leaving this knowing that 90% of my best shots are junk balls. Dang it
lol. You know what they call junk ballers Eddie? Winners! 💪 🏅
Practical information. Identifying a problem that many face and giving solutions with a demo. Great stuff
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the feedback 😄🙏🏻
Agreed. Essential Tennis guys can't demo any concepts cos they can hardly strike a ball properly lol.
Junkballing is the varial kickflip of tennis
It’s is the cannon rush
It’s the Little Mac
It’s the infield fly ball
But I like to varial and I junk ball all the time...is this a personal attack?
It's definitely the cannon rush lol
Love the kick flip reference 🛹
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Vitality .... Its "variability" is what your trying to say ?
I should have watch this BEFORE my last tournament match today. I was aiming for the lines all the time, as I usually do. Returning the ball at the center and trying and catch the ball in the air and smashing it calmly seems to be the key, indeed. I lost 6-2, 6-1 and completely lost my mind between the two sets. This will never happen again. Thanks, guys.
Eric Genest we’ve all been there my man. You’ll get him next time. Thanks for watching, we hope the instruction helps!
@@Playyourcourt Thanks again! BTW I have watch some of your other videos too and I appreciate them very much. You make UA-cam great! Take care! Eric
Happened to me today. Unbelievably frustrating. When your technique is miles ahead of the guy that beats you. It’s a wake up call that we need more than traditional technique. I for one am torn between being disgusted with the pusher and also admiring of their tenacity. I think it helps to realise that this is really the only way they can play. They aren’t being crap on purpose, at least not all of the time.
Thanks guys. We have an ex state grade squash player in our club and every ball is under spin / lob and lands within 2 inches of the baseline. Yes, he is nothing if not consistent. I beat him for the first time in 3 years yesterday doing exactly what you said - heavy top spin down the middle / patience / and hanging back in no-mans land for the overhead rather than closing for a volley as per normal. I gotta tell you, I was exhausted and my legs ached but I also considered it more like a fitness / conditioning session rather than a match. So, thanks again.
Best feedback we can get GerrySontTV. Love it. There’s no doubt these guys are tough to play. Getting dirty in the trenches during a long fought battle and coming out with the W is so gratifying. How good did that victorious 🍺 taste?!! Keep grinding out there my man!! 💪🏼 🤜🏼💥🤛🏼
Well done! I am determined to beat my pusher nemesis. Next time, next time…
Great advice! I think a key element of "fast feet, slow arms" is that the attacking player has to be equal or better in terms of fitness level than the junk baller. If the two players are equal in fitness the junk baller will most likely win because he is conserving more energy.
FYI...Junk ballers get off in messing with your mind. Its' not the junk baller that is beating you, its you that is beating yourself. Junk ballers love to get you off your rhythm to force errors from you. Good old fashion serve and volley to me is one playing style I use most effective with junk ballers.
Fabrice Santoro beat Sampras three times. He also beat Edberg, Becker, Henman, Rafter, and Ivanisevic......junk ballers can beat serve and volley players, too.
@@joemarshall4226 Yes, but has Fabrice Santoro won any singles grand slams during his tennis career?
As a matter of fact, Fabrice won at least one doubles slam. The point is that junk ballers can play at the highest levels, and beat anyone, with pure junk. Mats Wilander won seven slams, and was the pro level of a junk baller. Bobby Riggs won 2 or 3 slams back in his day as a junker....Fabrice and Bobby were short guys with weak serves, yet they still won.....ain't that something'? Aga Radwanska reached number two in the world, and won the year end championship as a junk baller, just a few years ago. The junk baller has to run more than his/her opponents, so they tend to be at a disadvantage in slams, which have the artificial five set format, but that didn't stop Rafa Nadal, who started as an almost total jnukballer, then developed other parts of his game....It's tough to win long matches day after day with junk, but on a given day they can beat anyone, even YOU! Even the best big hitters employ a little junk now and then....
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Fabrice had an unusual stroke style. On both wings but he was NO junk baller !? How dare you pushers with limited movement and worse imaginations compare your hour of junk to an unusual style but skillful player that had 20 years at the top of the game. Your on your own pal.
Willander was'nt anything like a junk baller. Pro or not !? Nadal too. He was a moonballer !! Go learn a stroke, a proper grip you lazy loser. Personally , junk ballers are easy meat. It's the moonballers that get the prize. Pointless tennis.
How to beat junkballers:
Dropshot and pass
Dropshot and pass
Dropshot and pass
When they start to read, switch it up with fake dropshots and play long slices then move forward to the net.
Junkballers are usually bad at everything else in the game and they tend to HATE volley because they don't know how to play it.
K0ng0 💯 Thanks for watching.
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extremely helpful--thanks!
EXCELLENT advice fellas !!!!
Good advice. I try to find out what they dont like. Get them to the net or take the net from them. They tend to have low error rates. Patience is key.
Radnally they are better ball placement players rather than being tacky wacky ball beating.😂
Your suggested tactics are exactly what has given me the most trouble over the years when employed by my opponents. Excellent insight.
Thanks for the feedback James, much appreciated! 🙏🏻🍻
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All good coaching advice. However in my 20 years of coaching High School tennis I learned that advice on tactics and strategy is only effective if your players have the skill set to implement that advice. I spent more time teaching good strokes than coaching tactics with many players. I always ran drills to build up skills. The 3 ball drill is effective in the situation you demonstrate. You receive 1 ball to hit an approach, one ball to volley and the third is a lob so you finish with an overhead. This drill came after we worked on proper technique on all 3 strokes. Also play games to 11 points with drop and hit to start the rally. Ball has to cross net twice before point starts. Have a goal like hitting deep or closing in to finish point. Last drill: put a tape line 3 feet from baseline on both ends and try to hit ground strokes into that zone. That was my coaches favorite drill that he ran me through every week. We called it “Pound from the Ground “. A guy has a difficult time if they are far behind the baseline and it opens up your opportunity to close out a point.
thomas medeiros solid insights coach Thomas, thanks for sharing the feedback and drills!
I'm surprised by that- isn't the off-season the time for players to work on strokes? At least when I played there wasn't really much time to do drills. We had limited courts and needed to use the pre-season time to establish our ranking on the team and after that it was time to take on other schools. Those of us who wanted to get better did extensive practice and lessons throughout the year.
The more you move them, the tougher they are to play. Also, these players hate to loose so the "Win at all cost" is their mantra.
1StarProductions not sure why you’re disagreeing with him because you’re both saying the same thing. That trying to move them around doesn’t work.
@@icyolives The center strategy can be effective....
Just wanted to thank you guys for this outstanding video! I played a “junkballer” in my club tournament last night was dreading it and he’s actually won the tournament previously I used these tactics and won 6-4 6-3. The only other thing I added in was dropping shoting him sometimes after pushing him back.
+ark28 love the feedback! Thanks for sharing! 🤜🏼💥🤛🏼
Love it. Thanks
so so simple - thats what i like - cant wait to try it
I tell you, it works!
Excellent !
Great advice. I never thought of that. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it Alejandro!
lol your junk ball skills are actually on point bro! I just subbed your channel based on that alone
Thanks for watching jjmah7!
It took me a while to beat some of the moon ballers/junk ballers. I always start those matches with hitting the ball long or get angry and slam into the net, as I am not use to playing 1-2ft inside the baseline. After I am able to make the adjustments, I am able to take control and finish the match quick.
Glad to hear you figured out what can be a very tough opponent. Thanks for watching!
Suscribed! Needed a boost for coming back to play tennis since years ago... this is what I needed!! Greetings from Chile 🙏🏻
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So good just what I needed! 💪🤩👍🎾🚀
Great to hear! Thanks for watching!
Great lesson, thank you so much guys!
Hector Ayub thank ya sir, glad to hear you enjoyed the instruction. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the great video! It was like therapy listening to you! Every single word I could recognize myself in. Now I’ll try it for real this afternoon.
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This is interesting. I am a table tennis player and this popped into my feed, yet the same type of style in table tennis exists, along with the same hatred of that style by most table tennis players. Defensive players do very similar to what you are describing here and can drive "normal" players insane. Nice to see the comparision.
There is much less spin in tennis, however. You can cut the ball, but the spin of the ball doesn't continue to the strings of the opponent's racket in the way it does in table tennis. The biggest problem when opposing a defensive player in tennis is that it is hard to adjust the return to the slow tempo of the ball flight, especially if you're not used to play against slow players. Really good players don't really mind, though. They just shoot through the "junk baller". :)
Ah, depending on the level or approach of the defender in table tennis, I'd say it's not the same thing. A decent defensive table tennis player is not a junk baller but a tactician that sets traps for the attacker to fall into (think Mayweather but on a table tennis table). They know everything they're doing. Watch any top pro defender and analyze what he/she is doing. It's masterful. They vary the spin and do a lot of feints, usually ultimately looking to get a forehand in to finish the point (Joo Sae Hyuk is a great recentish example). To lump actual decent defenders in with junk ballers would show only that the person making the claim doesn't actually understand anything other than hitting a ball. I think long pips get a ton of shit too, but there are different kinds. Most decent defensive players use either short pips or long pops with friction (like Butterfly Feint Long 3) on the backhand (smooth on forehand). Both enable control over spin and don't have any really weird wobbly effects (though a slight wobble with friction long pips, just not enough to really be called an effect). Friction long pips most common because of the cushioning effect when chopping, giving great control when defending against heavy attacks. Note that they're used for control. The knock on effect is that friction long pips aren't hard to play against. Short pops have greater range of spin but less control against heavy attacks. Smooth rubber even greater range of spin, but even less control against heavy attacks, unless countering back, in which case you get the ultimate control.
Junk ballers definitely exist in table tennis though, but mostly at low levels. We all played them in our early days. Just pop the ball back to you with no thought of what they're doing. Just hoping you'll make an error. Easy to beat once you're half decent though. Also the frictionless long pip players who stick their bat out and do nothing. Low friction means they don't have much control over anything so rely on wobbly effects and continuing the ball rotation, essentially reversing your spin. Again, easy to beat once you know how to play. There's no excuse once you're good. If you lose to a defensive player and you're not an intermediate, they're probably a good player.
Junk ballers in tennis usually have zero understanding of or at least have little capability to apply spin or hit with solid technique. They're common right through to 4.0 or even 4.5 I think. Once you get to 5.0+ they're very rare from my experience. Nadal would be the best pro with a junk baller type approach, but has actual skill obviously. So he's not a junk baller, but he does win a lot of points by continuing to send the ball back. Like a defensive player in table tennis. He'd probably be a chopper with a wicked forehand if he played table tennis.
@@sjjapp I agree, however many offensive players consider defensive shots "junk" or not "real" table tennis. The sport is pro offensive to the point where there is little to no online training for defensive players, yet hundreds of videos for attack style players and even instruction on how to beat a defender! There are also "junk" rubber used in table tennis (anti spin, long pips, etc) , that offensive players dont look forward to.
@@zazenforever4940 that's very true. A majority of players do indeed consider defensive players junk ballers. The only country I've been to where that view isn't as consistently held is Japan. I've played in a ton of countries and defensive players that are actually good are few and far between. I encountered many in Japan. They were also generally very respectful towards them, but that in part is likeky due to it being a culture of respect. The US, the UK, and numerous places aren't. Defensive players are incredibly frustrating to play against. You've got the real junk ballers, which I deem as 'just get the ball back and hope they miss' players, but they only exist at beginner and intermediate levels. Decent defensive players are so rare, even at pro level, that they get mistakingly grouped with junk ballers. This is a matter of education mostly, and frustration second. To be a decent defensive table tennis player you need to be smart. They can only beat a decent player if they out think him/her by varying spin and setting traps so they can themselves put the ball away. Its this variety that makes them hell to play against, as it feels, as the attacker, that you're beating yourself, whereas if yiure both good players, you might not be. They might be beating you, but they're not smashing you off the table, so it doesn't feel like it.
Anti spin and long pips, junk rubbers, are simple. There's nothing complicated about them. It's amazing how many players don't understand this. If you do a heavy loop to an anti spin rubber, theres not enough grip to change the rotation direction of ball. But it doesn't fully continue the speed of rotation. This means if you topspin to it, you'll get a slight bit of backspin back, but not enough to really be considered spin. You can think of it as being a dead ball. If a player beats you with anti and you understand this, they were a better player than you, either period or on the day, or you beat yourself.
Long pips now. Long pips with low friction continue the ball rotation and a bit of the speed of rotation. So if you topspin to it, you'll get backspin back. A lot of crappy players with no backhand use these at low levels close to the table. Sends wobbly balls back to uneducated opponents. All long pips get demonized because of these 'only wn because of equipment' players. Some advanced defensive players use these for chopping so they can send back heavy backspin to attacker, hopefully forcing a shortball to put away. Now, a good player using them is a challenge as they will change the stroke from punch blocks, long range chops, short range chops, etc. giving you a different ball. The low level player with this rubber is easy to beat once you can play. The advanced player with thus rubber is difficult, but it has a major weakness. They can't vary the spin themselves much, so they are actually very predictable.
Now friction long pips, the most popular option for good defensive players. Because of some degree of friction, the user can vary the spin themselves, anf can even apply spin to a dead ball. You can't spin the ball as much as with short pips or smooth though.
I'm short, long pips / anti are used by low level players to get an advantage over eneducated opponents. High level players use them for control, as they are great at cushioning pace, so can keep the rally going easier under pressure. At this level though the opponents usually understand how these things work, so aren't bothered by simple tricks like a slight wobble on ball or spin continuation. Meaning the defender has to work hard for each point.
Now, table tennis used to be more balanced. I said in a previous post here that Richard Bergmann was the last defender to win the world championships (to my knowledge). That was in the early 50s I think. That was also during the and at the end of the hardbat era. I think the very next world championships a guy from Japan came along with the first sponge, and he won, despite not being very good. Nobody knew how to deal with it. As game evolved, the game got more aggressive and pro offense. Changes in conditions / equipment has a major role in what styles and strategies work. Fitting we're on a tennis video here as tennus went through such a change in recent times. Sampras dominated the 90s in an era where grass courts and hardcourts like at the US Open were really fast. String technology wasn't as advanced either. This made for a perfect environment for his power / serve and volley game. Then came along the new generation, like Hewitt, with Luxilon polys and started to be able to return his serve easier than past generations (Sampras called such strings cheatalon or something like that). Courts began to get slower. And nowadays we can see the impact. Serve volley is practically dead because players have the control now to counter with control, making it easier to pass net player. Slower courts help too. So we get more long rallies and power baseline play. Players are starting to get taller these days so will be interesting to see if the future if giants smashing aces. I hope not.
This is what's happened in table tennis. Conditions changed what's effective. Andthe view Sampras held regards the strings is interesting, as that's exactly what hardbat players thought sponge was, cheating. For defensive players to compete now at thr highest levels, they have to play disabled. Rubbers like longpips help cushion spin and pace of attacker but are hard to hit with. So either don't hit backhand or twiddle. Many use fast rubbers like Tenergy on forehand, buin thinner sponge if they want to chop (which reduces offensive ability somewhat) or max thickness but don't chop (so why bother to chop at all). It's about compromise. For attackers, rubber technology is better. It gives the attacker great control, power, and spin. No real weakness outside of ball being too fast and spiny at high levels to keep a rally going. Makes for shitty viewing, but easiest path to win.
Important to note as well that views commonly held aren't always correct. Most views are just passed from person to person and people just repeat what they've heard. So sometimes of course non sense gets to become a common view. I think this has been the case with defenders. A lot of disrespect in the table tennis community
I will add though that playing against defensive players, be it on tennis or table tennis, is something I'd prefer to avoid haha
Sound knowledge and solid advice, very much appreciated :-)
Thanks for watching Pogi Led!
So right! Sticking to the proven basics is the way to go. Thanks for the lesson!
Steve thanks for watching!
Excellent video. Thanks!
Thanks for the feedback Christiaan!
good stuff, I'll be trying all of this!!
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Yes exactly the stradegy i need ...middle of the court and attack ...great video tnx
Go get em James, thanks for watching and the feedback!
I really like the advice, however, the one thing I would add is that defeating a junk baller often times requires you to be much better than your actual stated rank. I know that sounds crazy, as junk balling takes little to no skill, no athleticism etc. However it's true, a lot of people with real physical talent, real strokes, get matched against these cheese artists and begin to rethink their skills. They start asking questions like "am I that bad that I can't beat this troll?" The worst situation is a cheese cheater, or basically a junk baller that cheats repeatedly in events without refereeing. Another thing I would add is beating them with an immaculate service game. Obvious this is very difficult, but is effective as junk ballers are typically out of shape and will not be able to respond to well placed serves that are slightly faster than your peer groups average. Overall, great video.
GoldenSpoons totally agree, junkballers, pushers (tactical players) definitely make you best them. They rarely beat themselves so one must have the ability to finish the point by being aggressive and often be on their game. Thanks for the feedback and for watching my man.
That’s very good advice and can easily be put to good use.
Glad you enjoyed it Mark! Thanks for the feedback. :)
You guys are transforming my tennis👍👍 Watched this video yesterday and today I hammered my junk balling buddy! No more frustration 😁 Thanks for the advice.
Joe Harrington love hearing that! Thrilled to hear the instruction helped and got you a W! Thanks for watching.
Good stuff! I can see the tactic n its effectiveness!
Thanks Larry! Glad you enjoyed the instruction.
Great video
great help indeed,,thanks
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This video is brilliant! Thank you!
Ball pushers (aka patty cakers or lolly poppers) are so frustrating! All the years of perfecting my ground strokes and style seems pointless when I play these guys... I hate the ridiculous drop shots they pull when you’re just hitting- it’s so annoying! Good advice, fast feet & slow hands- I’m going to try this! Thank you
Ashlee McIntosh glad to hear you enjoyed the video. Thanks for the feedback and for watching! Keep us posted on your next match with the slice and dicer and let us know if the tactics we suggested helped. 😃
Prime example of the centre strategy was Lendl vs. Mecir at the 1989 Australian Open Finals. Lendl later said he wasn't happy to use it, but he had to take the angles away from Mecir.
Perfect example of this strategy. I used to love to watch “The Big Cat” play! Lendl was brilliant in that strategy. Thanks for the feedback nbve3! 🙏🏻
@@Playyourcourt Ivan was a smart player. I lived near him for many years, and go to talk to him once.....Friendly and nice guy...tall and strapping. He had a good reputation in the area as a friendly and affable guy.
THIS VIDEO IS SO HELPFUL.
Thanks for the feedback Payton! Glad you found the instruction helpful. 😄
It worked! Thank you again!
Carl Grubbström nice! Thrilled to hear our instruction helped. Thanks for watching. 🙏🏻🍻😀
Very good. I like it. Sounds like I need to practice my overheads ad volleys. Reducing the angles is key.
Having a solid overhead will definitely help get the W! Thanks for the feedback Stephanie! 🙏🏻😃
I'm totally with the "Salty man", also because we share the same racquet: the RF97 Auograph is the best ever, a true joy playing with it!
Woah... This was the video I was looking for. I'm a 4.0 player and none of my friends my play any tennis so the only person I play with these days is my dear uncle who is possibly the epitome of the junk baller, which I've only just realized is an actual thing!
Step #2 is probably the most important thing for me. I like to hit winners every chance I get and he likes to float them and so you're spot on right about my brain and feet getting lazy during the point - I need to make more steps and head to the net!
Thanks for the insight guys, this is great content - subscribed!
Kareem Monzer glad to hear you enjoyed the instruction! Hope the strategy leads to some W’s over your uncle. Thanks for subscribing 💯👍🏼.
Good advice. I've come a cropper twice and it is annoying. But ! They beat me, so its my problem now. Looking forward to solving my prob.
Thanks a lot guys. Very helpful!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also, don't push back when playing a pusher; hold your shot as long as possible like pros do if you can so they have no idea where it's going.
I play padel tennis (Spanish game, mainly) to a decent level, and so many shots which are ‘regular, correct’ in padel are junk balls when used on the tennis court...backspin, both stroked and punched, forehand slice etc. I can play tennis ‘conventionally’, but do enjoy frustrating my opponents with multi-directional slices, soI guess I’m a junk-baller! What beats me is pace from my opponent, topspin down the line, accuracy tight across court, but always with confident pace! Glad there is a place for all of us in tennis!
66gattaca perfectly said my friend. Regardless of playing style there’s a place for everybody in tennis. Playing with a variety of spin takes skill and should be appreciated just as hitting with power is. Padel is an incredible (and difficult) game. Glad to hear you’re enjoying both wonderful games. 🍻
omg, I can't wait to go out and give that friend some 6-0 6-0 6-0
Good one guys! Love the demo and grunting:) Amazig advice, indeed!
🤣 grunting was the key! Glad you enjoyed it Artem, thanks for watching.
Also strong sidespin serves work really well. And combining serves with spins makes the junk pushers really nervous. Also they hate topspin as their favorite cherished slice doesn't work either
Thanks for watching and the feedback Michael!
Great advice and I’m putting into action later today. Hope It will work.
Hope it helped! 💪
Great Scott and Nate. Wow, I like "battering ram to the middle". Too right! It's true! I write it on my racket. Thanks a lot. Henry from Genoa.
enrico maritano glad your enjoyed the instruction. Thanks for watching Henry from Genoa!
I started out as a junkballer because I would tighten up in matches and start spraying balls long, wide and in to the net and I knew I could get slice balls in. As I developed my topspin forehand and backhand I became more confident and consistent. Now I employ a hybrid style of play and it has served me pretty well. The junk balls can push an opponent to the baseline or pull them into the net when you can then power a shot past them in a corner or hit behind them as they are trying to adjust to the varying speeds of shots. Also when I do tighten up I have a style of play to fall back on where I know I can keep balls in and not go down a break or two!!
Sounds like you're a well rounded player my friend, keep up the great work!
my play partner is a pure junk player and i can confirm everything in this vid is spot on. play central, add pace, change brutally angle and attack to the net.
Thanks Victor, much appreciated!
I just had a match and I watched this literally 15 min before it and it helped me win, without it I’d probably lost badly, thanks a lot
Love that feedback! Congrats on the W!
I started playing tennis as an adult after years of soccer. I wanted tennis lessons when I was a kid but my parents did not want to spend money on that. When I got out of college I started taking tennis lessons. I would get very frustrated playing pushers who had zero technique and were just blocking balls back waiting for my error. I would usually win because I was fast and athletic and could push also. But it was very discouraging to have to work so hard to beat a person with no skill and who was not fast and athletic. As the years went by and I improved I realized the best way to beat a pusher is to become a better player. You do not have to be a 5.0 player to hit a swinging volley. It is just a ground stroke where that ball does not bounce. You do not have to worry about how much spin is on the ball as you prepare for the bounce and have your feet in the right spot. So it is actually easier to hit a swinging volley than a normal ground stroke. Just practice it a bit. If you are a baseliner and now have to come to the net to beat a pusher then you have been put out of your game. Become more consistent, be able to place your shorts, be able to hit winners on short balls, and respect that pushers are not going to make errors and they are not going to hit winners. If you are having trouble with a pushers you are just not that good yet. Keep practicing.
imateapot51 is called ball junker is a good technique of person having better sense of ball placement. A ball junker with speedy serve is better player than normal hit the ball guy.
This!
I wish I had seen this back when I played every day. One of the people in my league did nothing but lob and won almost every point lol. I was going nuts.
+Lori C we’ve all been there! Get back into the game and show Linda lob what time it is.
Nate...you're a pretty good junk baller. Put it into your tactical repertoire since opponents will know nothing 'bout no battering ram. For the record, I'm a classic junk baller 'cause my modern forehand sucks but my forehand slice is something to behold.
Thanks Blair, I definitely enjoy mixing it up especially if it exploits a opponents weakness. Some may call it junkballing, I like to call it smart tennis! Thanks for watching!
Guys, that's a great video with the strategy! A very good way to destroy pushers on your serves is to serve with strong upper spin and a bit limited or good speed. Usually the junk pushers receive the serve with simple hit back, almost with no pace and here's the core point- the ball bounces up high and falls somewhere in the middle of the court, so now you can usually hit a volley or even a smash... The smash hit from near the net or the T means the end, that's the winner....
Glad you enjoyed it!
All makes sense thank you. It drives me mad when pushers hit high balls most of the time, not lobs as such, but they scoop the ball upwards. Good advice to drive volley or drive down the middle.
Glad it helped Lesley! Thanks for watching 😊
I tried with a collegue which is a huge junk baller. It worked like magic. Without the angles, he started to miss a lot of shots or producing easy short balls to put away. However, pacience is still important.
Love it! Thanks for sharing 👊
great video! greetings from Brazil
Thanks for watching Eduardo!
Great video. I know some one who is a junk baller. He has taken a set of me the last teo matches. Very difficult and tiiring to play. I often get frustrated. Great tips, cant wait to put into practice 🎾
Go get em! 💪
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Very usefull advice. I will try to end my nightmare of junk ballers :)
Go get em!
The junkballer's weakness, same as in table tennis, is deep, high, heavy top spin body shots. Most junkers will not be able to handle this shot. Even if so, they will just be able to hit it back and you will be able to go on the offensive.
I hate junkballers, but eventually, we all age and end up as junkers.
You get it my man! Thanks for the table tennis analogy.
I'd rather retire playing tennis because of damn arthritis than become an old geizer junker!
Bahaha...if that’s not conviction than I don’t know what is...fair enough. Now go have a 🥃 my man! 😉
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lolol. I love this comment.
Or better, deep high heavy topspin to the back hand, especially if the junker has a one-handed backhand.....the strategy actually works pretty well against everyone, as Nadal has pointed out....
I play junk ball against my son by accident. I'm 64 female and he's 26 male and that's the best return I can muster. Now I know why he hates "hitting a few" with mom.
ClueSign love that you’re out there still playing with your son! Whether it’s junkball or big hitting all that matters is you guys are on the court together. Just remind your son another name for junkballers is winners! 😉
Good stuf- I am 2 in 3 against JB and will use this. Appreciate it greatly.
Glad it was helpful! Let us know how it goes!
Could you give some tips on how to take slow low balls on back hand.
Happy to help. Check out the following vid. ua-cam.com/video/0UpooYPqAgE/v-deo.html
Nice vid! I don’t play tennis but this was somehow still interesting
Cameron Legree love it! Always plenty of time to start playing! Thanks for watching.
This advice would have come in handy against Ian 😂. You started moving your feet at the end and it paid off.
As a big time junk baller myself, I totally second all of the above. the best thing is to play up, and take as many balls in the air and hit hard. when I spin a ball when it bounces it can go anywhere, so that's why you have to take it in the air as much as possible. because i hit it soft generally I can place the ball very well and so if you play back and let it bounce I will have you running all over the court. my weakness is that I find it hard to return hard shots or shots with lots of top spin. i can always beat passive players, but the ones who get aggressive on me beat me fairly easily.
+Michael Fairney Thanks for the feedback, awesome to hear from a self proclaimed "Junk Baller" and the transparency of what tactics actually work for you and against you. Thanks for watching!
Junker 🤡🤣
Confessions of a junk baller 😅 seriously thank you for the advice
I'm a 5.0, I don't have an issue with playing junk-ballers, and this is some of the best advice I've seen. Like the video says, you need to be prepared mentally before, and during, that the points are going to be long. When you see my scores against these guys, it looks like a blow-out, but it's like dental surgery. Even at the pro level, there are junk-ballers. Get used to it. Great advice guys.
George Melech thanks for watching, we appreciate the feedback! ...Dental surgery lol 😂
Great advice and easy, just push the guy back with deep shots down the middle. The next thing, more advanced, that helped me was to watch the pros advance to a dinked ball or drop shot and see how they added pace by whipping it with topspin. So this way I changed my perspective from dread to opportunities to put the balls away.
Thank ya sir, much appreciated. No doubt the pros make it look easy! Playing through the hands and keeping the wrist loose is certainly the path to putting more of those dinks away. Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
My overhead is shit and these guys always know how to lob but I find that their poor technique will eventually lead to errors if you keep getting the ball back to them. That’s my way but the great thing about junk ballers is that they always give you control of the rally so all you have to do is find the pattern works for you. Sometimes it’s counterintuitive like hitting up the middle but once you figure them out it’s over because they always have zero offense.
Looking forward to trying it! I lose to one of these guys every time. Moonballing pushers are my nightmare
DanimalLawlz got get em man, let us know how the strategy works for you next time around. Thanks for watching!! 🍻
Stop telling people how to beat me
Hahaha...what if we promise to tell you how to beat the one guy you struggle with beating? Consider the junk baller video a homage to how difficult your style is to defeat! 😃🍻
Thanks guys! Kilt it!
Thank ya sir! 🙏
The one thing you didn't mention is that pushers hate the net. They want you to hit shots that they can short angle you with and then lob you. If you hit short angles to them, they will usually retreat over and over, until they try to come to the net. But they can't volley, so they are easy to pass. Another thing they are great at is lobbing consistently to the baseline. From that far back, they can run down all your overheads.
Another thing common with pushers is their speed and unorthodox shots. You cannot outhit them from the baseline because they don't make mistakes.
They depend on you playing them the way everybody plays them.
You just have to take away their game.
After I learned to short angle slice them, and stick to it, I never lost to a pusher again.
Nice video, thanks guys! Gonna put this to the test against my friend, who is notorious junk baller :)) as soon as he gets under pressure, he just pushes the ball without swinging, so there's no topspin to it and the ball bounces very slow with no energy. It feels like I need to use more power in order to produce decent stroke, which makes me to do more unforced errors - really annoying!
Glad you enjoyed the video degrad9! Playing someone with little pace is definitely difficult. Just remember “fast feet, slow hand”. Keep the feet moving to find optimal contact to create your own pace and those errors will be cut way down. Go get em!
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1. be patient
2. fast feet, slow hands
3. hit heavy and strong stroke right in the middle of court
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Great, more example and variations, may be?
Make more of these videos. I deal with a lot of weak players that like to hit weak lobs and I miss them too much.
We got ya covered!
Hate junkballers as a agressive baseliner.. my footwork is way off and miss to much, thanks for the video. This is exactly my worry in my club tournament in the third round against junkballer who returns everything.
Glad it helped!
A friend of mine plays at the 4.5 level. When he plays with the 3.5 players, he would play like a junk baller and his opponents have no chance of beating him as he is 2 levels higher.
I have a friend playing at the 3-4th highest grade here still using junk balls. He also has the flat driving shots and creates crazy angles from the middle. Win ratio is about 65-75% still as most people don't have the patience to play 1hr a set
3.5 players and 4.5 players play similar games, only the 4.5 are better at it. A lot of the best 4.0 players are pushers or junk ballers. I had a friend who could play very well at 3.5, and pretty well at 4.5, but he lost every time he played at 4.0, because that's where the off-pace, consistent players dwelt...and he had trouble with them...
I am a 3.5 player with poor topspin. But very athletic and love to play the net. I will try this attack the middle.
Let us know how it goes!
Great content! Any advice on how to play against mixed doubles (3.5 female), (4.5 male) combination? The general advice is to keep away from 4.5 player but sometimes their court coverage is extensive with tall/fast players
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. When facing a stronger player and trying to avoid them, try hitting low short chips crosscourt while he / she is at net. This makes it tough to poach and if they do they must hit up in order to avoid the net. Once their partner is isolated and at net (she / he) can essily be attacked. Mixing in lobs with this stratgey works great as well! Thanks for watching!
Slice low ball mid court down the middle, if you have the strokes.. Make the junker come to the net. McEnroe was a pusher before he became stronger All about what strokes you have to defeat a pusher ..do you have a big serve forehand, volley, slice, topspin smash.. What are your strengths.. To improve play the pusher and work on your game, better than a ball machine.. You will learn much more by facing your fear
ARTHUR BROCKLEBANK well said. Thanks for watching.
Very good pointers! I play a junk-baller regularly at my club and I can't stand losing to him. I will give these tips a try.
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Thanks guys for the tips. Playing with junk ballers is a nightmare. It is a plague that must be eradicated.
One key thing with junk ballers is that the low demand their style places on execution allows them to focus more on anticipating your shots and strategy. I think any type of predictable game is a handicap against them. I'm personally a net player, and contrary to the strategy suggested here i do not hit hard to come up on a blocker, I move him around a bit and come up on a long, soft and low-bouncing shot. And yes, it's OK to slice a forehand. I think until 5.0+ your usual forehand is rarely good enough to be a better approach than a slice on the line, which is way, way easier to hit.
Love the insight Thomas, thanks for sharing!
The best way to beat a junk baller is not to underestimate them. Play them seriously and you will win if you indeed have better technique, strategy and stamina. Better player wins.