Can you do a video that actually shows how different slices come off of the opponent’s racket? That will help us anticipate which type of slices and how the ball will travel. Where it will land and how it will bounce. Then this video will be helpful after that context. Thx!
The demo part towards the end of this video tutorial would have better served (no pun intended) had a split screen shown Nate feeding the slice shots to Scott and, thus, we could see Nate's action/motion of the feeds.
It makes sense. At lower club level a lot of slice is hit as a "high and loopy" chop shot which tends to stick to the court and be "neutral" compared to the flatter or topspinned shots which bounce through. When you play someone who hits slice more aggressively the expectation is for another neutral ball but it actually tracks through low and fast. Good advice to back off and adjust
Great point. I didn’t know this until I’m beaten by a slicer today. Some slices come so quickly that the ball skids low and quick through while I am expecting it to sit up. He mixes different speed of slices which is so hard to predict. I feel you just can’t even return the ball without some effective strategies.
Thank you for this. I had been thinking that I need to hit the slice early, like on the rise, so good to know it’s better to wait for the ball to come to me.
Wow thanks. I played a heavy slice/spin wizard 2 days ago who my coach and other A-team player said I'd beat. I lost 4-8 in best of 8 set. I had exactly this problem and few times on the backhand felt like a rank amateur as I swung at thin air. I just didn't know how to counter him so my whole game dropped to Bjorn Borg Beach Tennis game kind of level. I did improve as it went on but by then it was too late. Its tricky in our box league as unlike normal best of 3 sets if you get a slow start you'll prob lose - no reset in second set.
Hi i sometimes end up playing a padeltennis player. Man all they do is slicing forehand backhand all the time. I often find myself losing to what I feel is an inferior player which is very annoying. So hopefully i can use your tips
Depends on the pace of the slice, deep well hit slices will skid low and create timing challenges, a medium speed slice will change to topspin and sit up more, easy to counter with a flat attack.
Physics will tell you the tennis ball with backspin will/may become topspin prior to reaching you but not as much as a topspin shot and it will have lost some velocity. It stays on a lower trajectory as well. Whether you move forward or back to adjust your contact point would be predicated on choosing to hit it on the rise or not. The topspin shit will reach you faster after ground contact than the slice.
Interesting that even 5.0 level Scott was crowding the heavily sliced ball, not knowing that you must back away. Backing away and letting the "topspin" of the incoming slice diffuse, makes it easier to time the contact. Scott must have gotten instant improvement from this tip!
Ignore the haters. I wish I had a coach near me like you two who could teach with some banter. Makes for a better learning experience and actually makes tennis fun again. And ain't that what it's all about? As someone who only started 6 months ago, all your video's are a massive help and really easy to watch/understand thanks to the way you two teach
Thanks JustCwookie! And yes that is what it’s about. At the end of the day Tennis is about having a experience that is enjoyable. Sounds like you get it my man. Glad you’re enjoying the videos. Keep grinding out there!
While I will agree that the spin will change, I believe this is due to the conservation of angular momentum principle in physics, I still don't quite agree about the tactic. Unlike Scott, I can hit the ball on the rise with good consistency and get a good shot. It won't be an offensive shot but it will be deep enough not to get attacked. In general, an advanced player should be good at hitting any ball on the rise. Thanks for the video.
The shots in the video that were missed, were hit late, with poor preparation The player did not bend his knees. To take a slice shot early, one must get to the ball quickly, and set up down low. The ball slows down when it hits the ground because the added friction of the backspin takes away some of its forward momentum. Watch Novak Djokovic handle slice on his back hand. He gets down low, takes it early, and controls the shot. The reason one takes a slice shot early is because not every slice shot has 100% backspin....there is often, if not usually, a good degree of sidespin on the ball....in fact, the slice/side spin combination, can "Turn over" in the course of its flight across the net and actually become side/topspin. Taking the ball early minimizes the effect of the ball shooting one way or the other on the bounce.
I knew, based on physics, that the slice, rotating with underspin, would transfer to topspin at the instant of bounce. What I didn't know was how to counter it. This is an epiphany moment for me!
I'm sorry, there is so much I don't agree with. By the time it hits the ground, ball will have already lost much of its original pace and spin. Sliced ball will have lost much of its spin because, on top of air drag, it encounters circular air friction working against the spin. That friction is what creates aerodynamic lift, which causes the ball to stay up longer and travel deeper in a straighter trajectory than a flat or topspin shot. The moment that ball hits the ground, friction of the court will hold the bottom part of it back, while the rest of it wants to go forward. So any ball that bounces at an angle will acquire some topspin (doesn't necessarily mean that topspin shot will have more topspin after the bounce RPM-wise). Sliced ball may acquire topspin, but a very weak one, one that's not going to have any prominent effect. What does it have to do with how you should prepare for a slice shot? Pretty much nothing. The ball is not going to acquire a steep parabola shape and jump forward just because now it technically has a topspin. I get what you guys are trying to say: not all slice shots refuse to go forward after the bounce. But that should be obvious, especially to a 4.5 player. A 4.5 can look at the opponent's racquet movement, recognize pace/spin combination from the trajectory and tell whether it's a slice dropshot, short slice, or deep slice. What kind of a 4.5 sees the opponent slice the ball, and the ball coming in low and straight, refusing to land, and think "oh it's going to land on service line and linger there. I better run forward"? On whether to back off vs get low... If you have speed and good footwork, backing off is best, I agree. If you don't have that but have agility and flexibility and a solid open stance, you can afford to get low. If you have neither, then maybe slice it back. Or half volley block. Or any desperate attempt to get it over the net. Either way, if you hit a good slice and land it close to baseline, you definitely got the upperhand in this point.
namae this video is probably for beginners, seeing as most players who struggle with the slice just have a poor understanding of the shot. Of course it is obvious to a 4.5 player, they already learned how to deal with the slice
IMHO, the reason some slices are deceptively fast has little to do with reversing backspin into topspin -- that would only slow the ball down after the bounce. A floaty backspin shot, while it may ultimately have a modest topspin after it grabs the court, will tend to sit up rather than leap forward. Late timing is certainly an issue with SOME slices, but it has to do with the amount of spin and the angle the ball strikes the court. A topspin drive transfers its forward spin into forward momentum after it grabs the court. However; it's fairly predictable. The ball slows down as it approaches the receiver because the topspin changes the forward movement into a curve that might be moving down even more than it's moving towards the receiver. It hits the court hard, grips it, and bounds up and forward. A floaty slice is also predictable: it floats slowly, dies, and bounces up. The nasty slice is completely different. That tricky "skip" is due to a nice combination of speed and just the right of amount of backspin. Instead of curving downward like a topspin, it curves up, reducing the forces of gravity. Therefor, It impacts the court at a very modest angle, giving the ball little weight and grip, which makes it "skip". A nasty slice can be struck with only modest backspin, but the better ones have a good amount of sideways spin, too, which produces more control to overcome any incoming spin.
Don't back up too far just simply give the ball additonal space than you normally would. Taking slice on the rise or at the apex is especially difficult. Hope this helps!
That’s absolutely what you should do if you have that skill set. Giving space to the ball is something we’re advising for lower NTRP players to do, especially those unfamiliar with heavy slice. Thanks for the feedback Thomas! 🙏🏻
I agree it changes to top spin, but isn't there some transfer of angular momentum into kinetic enrgy, as inm the ball ca=hanges direction? I guess it depends on the angle of incidence, but I've seen a wicked slice bounce really low and fast, where you would have to back up, but then on a slower ball with more drop and vertical impact with the ground, I've definitely seen it stand up, like stop dead and bounce straight up, really high, with little or no movement tot he back of my court. In fact, I've seen it go back towards the net. Drop shot, in other words. Anyways, with either one I move in, with the drop shot so I can get to it, with the slice so I can get to it early before it has changed direction significantly and so I can take it early, before it drops down too low to get under it with a good topspin shot. If I have to stay back I'm pretty much limited to a neutralizing slice return, and I prefer to win/lose rather than just stay in it.
I always knew the slice had to turn into topspin after bouncing but why does returning a slice produce such a different action coming off the strings if it's just topspin at that point?
could be just because your contact point is much lower to the ground than a normal topspin groundstroke around waist or chest high. generating topspin on low balls is tough.
Thats my problem, i usually get beaten by other players that have less technique than me, they dont have backhand hit so they hit it with only slice everytime i try to attack on their backhand side
I think it is incorrect to say the backspin changes to topspin. Rather the speed and the sharp angle at which the ball hits the ground, the friction of ground contacting with the ball is causing the top spin. Let me explain. As we know everything is relative, so instead of looking at the ball speeding to hit the ground, let imagine the ball being still but the ground is moving in the opposite direction to hit the ball. This would be the same way you hit the ball with your racket to put impart topspin on it. The sharper the contact angle and the faster the contact speed, the greater the top spin. Any initial backspin you have on the ball will be overcome by the speed and impact of the ground. So to the same argument , hitting a fast flat ball at a steep angle will also have this effect as the ball hits the ground.
If the slice turns to topspin after the bounce why doesn't it bounce up high like a topspin instead of skidding low?... Guessing it must be due to the incoming trajectory. A slice will have low net clearance. But it is still weird that topspin stays that damn low.
The softer the slice is hit the less spin the ball will have. If the opponent has a good variation of deep and short spin then we must learn to read the player to adjust for the incoming ball.
It really depends on the pace of the backspin. A hard struck slice will result in topspin after the bounce whereas a soft slice (dropshot) will often result in side spin / backspin. Hope this helps clarify. Thanks for watching.
All about that topspin my friend. Heavier spin will help bring the ball down. Also look to strike the ball at the apex or while it's ascending, this will help you go more through the ball. Hope this helps, thanks for watching!
+Raul Tennis the drive slice produces a very condensed low trajectory. Slow slice would loose speed and hold up through the court. Thanks for the watching!
i lost bad one USTA match with someone fucking slice all the time or lobs. he is quite good with slice. but i was afraid to slam it and eventually i lost by making mistakes...
He's not too early, he's just not low enough....geeez. Hitting the top of the ball. This is the problem and this is why your analogy isn't good. Topspin jumps up to you, deflects high off the string bed, thus requiring a slightly closed face to control the ball back. The slice stays lower, regardless that the spin changes once it hits the court, the slice (side and underspin) keeps the ball lower than a topspin shot and a typical club player does not recognize this and will hit most of these shots in the net. It is not the topspin (after bounce) that makes this ball travel more linear, it is the fact that it didn't have topspin when it landed. This is why a slice is a good way to defend and incoming slice.
Thanks for the feedback Ken, you made a lot of valid points. Please keep in mind though that this video is garnered towards a recreational level. Although many high level players would take the slice on the rise or at least at its apex, it’s going to be far easier for a club level player to absorb the slice by backing up and allowing space from the ball. The necessary knee bend and timing of taking the ball on the rise would be difficult to repeat over the course of a match for a lot of players.
I tend to agree with this observation. I am a sub 4.5 player and I play against this guy who's a hack and his only shot is a driving slice. He literally has no other type of forehand and it drives me nuts! I did not start playing tennis for this! The ball travels fast and low and is very difficult to hit back. It's the reason I chose to watch this video- to figure out how to play against this guy. the takeaway for me maybe is that I just need to get lower to hit the ball back because I keep expecting the ball to pop up because it has a slice on it.
As a 4.5 you could certainly take the ball on the rise. It’s definitely important to stay low, but also keep the body relaxed through the uncoil. Keeping the chin down will help control any additional spin after the bounce. With a NTRP below a 4.5 we would still recommend giving the ball space. Thanks for the feedback Charlie!!
Well, you better make another take or edit this video. The fact that you need camera to recognize whether ball has top or back spin after the bounce from the ground doesn't sound like to be the best "selling pitch" for you as top tennis coaches. IMHO
Thanks for the feedback Mi S but sometimes it’s merely about sparking excitement regarding learning something new. Not trying to sell anything unless it’s the joy of the game. Being a solid coach is as much about the way things are communicated as experience and material. We do appreciate you watching though, and always welcome feedback.
Maybe it is a bit difficult to show on camera. Once in a drill, the coach showed us a slice (he hit /fed the slice from within service box and the ball landed within service box the other side of the net), so we can watch the ball closely. It is magical, from under spin the ball changed to top spin after bounce!
Please, please, more videos on slice (soft ones with side spin, fast chip shots (deep or short angled), etc. and importantly how to play against such players. I learned top spin way of playing (intent to learn the ATP forehand) but it is not ‘heavy’ yet, I always lose to players who either slice/chip or slice/chip+(med pace) top spin with classic forehand (assume the versatile grip/technique since it is so compact backswing). USTA3.5C level. Thanks!
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Hmmmmmmm....I got beat by a deeply annoying chipper/slicer today. If I'd had a gun I would have shot him! I ended up playing like him. Amateur tennis has different dynamics. Junk ball hell
Me too. I always lose to slicer/chipper. It made me wonder what I need to do at 3.5C level. It will take me long time to improve my top spin to be ‘heavy’ enough, or probably better I need to learn and practice slice/chip shots.
Terrible video... slice the ball doest bounce that hight... and also if you step away it will bounce 2 times.... terrible advice . He could not hit the ball because the ball was close to the floor
The EMPEROR Cézar check out the recommended skill level. The instruction is for intermediate players who have trouble over crowding the ball. For advanced players, they could certainly take it on the rise. Not every player is knifing slice, lots of variations out there.
Can you do a video that actually shows how different slices come off of the opponent’s racket? That will help us anticipate which type of slices and how the ball will travel. Where it will land and how it will bounce. Then this video will be helpful after that context. Thx!
The demo part towards the end of this video tutorial would have better served (no pun intended) had a split screen shown Nate feeding the slice shots to Scott and, thus, we could see Nate's action/motion of the feeds.
That's solid feedback, we plan to revisit this topic in the near future and will keep your recommendation in mind. Thanks for watching!
never seen this phenomena explained on internet, but I agree 100%
Stim Singh it’s rarely discussed for some reason but glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching and the feedback!
It makes sense. At lower club level a lot of slice is hit as a "high and loopy" chop shot which tends to stick to the court and be "neutral" compared to the flatter or topspinned shots which bounce through. When you play someone who hits slice more aggressively the expectation is for another neutral ball but it actually tracks through low and fast.
Good advice to back off and adjust
Thank ys sir, glad you enjoyed it!
Great point. I didn’t know this until I’m beaten by a slicer today. Some slices come so quickly that the ball skids low and quick through while I am expecting it to sit up. He mixes different speed of slices which is so hard to predict. I feel you just can’t even return the ball without some effective strategies.
Thank you for this. I had been thinking that I need to hit the slice early, like on the rise, so good to know it’s better to wait for the ball to come to me.
Glad it was helpful!
I keep getting creamed by slicers. I can't wait to try this and hopefully win some points against my annoying opponents!
Wow thanks. I played a heavy slice/spin wizard 2 days ago who my coach and other A-team player said I'd beat. I lost 4-8 in best of 8 set. I had exactly this problem and few times on the backhand felt like a rank amateur as I swung at thin air. I just didn't know how to counter him so my whole game dropped to Bjorn Borg Beach Tennis game kind of level.
I did improve as it went on but by then it was too late. Its tricky in our box league as unlike normal best of 3 sets if you get a slow start you'll prob lose - no reset in second set.
Heavy slic can be tough for sure. You'll get em next time though! 💪
Hi i sometimes end up playing a padeltennis player. Man all they do is slicing forehand backhand all the time. I often find myself losing to what I feel is an inferior player which is very annoying. So hopefully i can use your tips
Depends on the pace of the slice, deep well hit slices will skid low and create timing challenges, a medium speed slice will change to topspin and sit up more, easy to counter with a flat attack.
The pace on the slice is definitely the key factor in what spin is produced after the bounce of the ball. Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
Physics will tell you the tennis ball with backspin will/may become topspin prior to reaching you but not as much as a topspin shot and it will have lost some velocity. It stays on a lower trajectory as well. Whether you move forward or back to adjust your contact point would be predicated on choosing to hit it on the rise or not. The topspin shit will reach you faster after ground contact than the slice.
Interesting that even 5.0 level Scott was crowding the heavily sliced ball, not knowing that you must back away. Backing away and letting the "topspin" of the incoming slice diffuse, makes it easier to time the contact. Scott must have gotten instant improvement from this tip!
Ignore the haters. I wish I had a coach near me like you two who could teach with some banter. Makes for a better learning experience and actually makes tennis fun again. And ain't that what it's all about? As someone who only started 6 months ago, all your video's are a massive help and really easy to watch/understand thanks to the way you two teach
Thanks JustCwookie! And yes that is what it’s about. At the end of the day Tennis is about having a experience that is enjoyable. Sounds like you get it my man. Glad you’re enjoying the videos. Keep grinding out there!
I'm playing a slicer and if I win I make varsity!!!! WISH ME LUCK!!!!! THANKS FOR THE VIDEO!!!!!
Justin Sivasothy best of luck Justin. Let us know how it goes! GO GET EM! 💪🏼
@@Playyourcourt I won!!!!!!!
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That may be a topspin ball coming at you, but unlike a regular topspin shot, that ball stays lower if hit properly.
i really wanna see what kind of slice you did to.make a topspin bounce like that
Im anticipating to go lower through my knees when I see a slice coming
While I will agree that the spin will change, I believe this is due to the conservation of angular momentum principle in physics, I still don't quite agree about the tactic. Unlike Scott, I can hit the ball on the rise with good consistency and get a good shot. It won't be an offensive shot but it will be deep enough not to get attacked. In general, an advanced player should be good at hitting any ball on the rise. Thanks for the video.
The shots in the video that were missed, were hit late, with poor preparation The player did not bend his knees. To take a slice shot early, one must get to the ball quickly, and set up down low. The ball slows down when it hits the ground because the added friction of the backspin takes away some of its forward momentum. Watch Novak Djokovic handle slice on his back hand. He gets down low, takes it early, and controls the shot. The reason one takes a slice shot early is because not every slice shot has 100% backspin....there is often, if not usually, a good degree of sidespin on the ball....in fact, the slice/side spin combination, can "Turn over" in the course of its flight across the net and actually become side/topspin. Taking the ball early minimizes the effect of the ball shooting one way or the other on the bounce.
I knew, based on physics, that the slice, rotating with underspin, would transfer to topspin at the instant of bounce. What I didn't know was how to counter it. This is an epiphany moment for me!
Trhrilled to hear it helped! Thanks for watching
I'm sorry, there is so much I don't agree with. By the time it hits the ground, ball will have already lost much of its original pace and spin. Sliced ball will have lost much of its spin because, on top of air drag, it encounters circular air friction working against the spin. That friction is what creates aerodynamic lift, which causes the ball to stay up longer and travel deeper in a straighter trajectory than a flat or topspin shot. The moment that ball hits the ground, friction of the court will hold the bottom part of it back, while the rest of it wants to go forward. So any ball that bounces at an angle will acquire some topspin (doesn't necessarily mean that topspin shot will have more topspin after the bounce RPM-wise). Sliced ball may acquire topspin, but a very weak one, one that's not going to have any prominent effect.
What does it have to do with how you should prepare for a slice shot? Pretty much nothing. The ball is not going to acquire a steep parabola shape and jump forward just because now it technically has a topspin.
I get what you guys are trying to say: not all slice shots refuse to go forward after the bounce. But that should be obvious, especially to a 4.5 player. A 4.5 can look at the opponent's racquet movement, recognize pace/spin combination from the trajectory and tell whether it's a slice dropshot, short slice, or deep slice. What kind of a 4.5 sees the opponent slice the ball, and the ball coming in low and straight, refusing to land, and think "oh it's going to land on service line and linger there. I better run forward"?
On whether to back off vs get low... If you have speed and good footwork, backing off is best, I agree. If you don't have that but have agility and flexibility and a solid open stance, you can afford to get low. If you have neither, then maybe slice it back. Or half volley block. Or any desperate attempt to get it over the net. Either way, if you hit a good slice and land it close to baseline, you definitely got the upperhand in this point.
namae this video is probably for beginners, seeing as most players who struggle with the slice just have a poor understanding of the shot. Of course it is obvious to a 4.5 player, they already learned how to deal with the slice
Can you do a video on practicing against a wall and improving different spin shots?
Love that idea! Thanks for the feedback Ryan. 👍🏼
IMHO, the reason some slices are deceptively fast has little to do with reversing backspin into topspin -- that would only slow the ball down after the bounce. A floaty backspin shot, while it may ultimately have a modest topspin after it grabs the court, will tend to sit up rather than leap forward. Late timing is certainly an issue with SOME slices, but it has to do with the amount of spin and the angle the ball strikes the court.
A topspin drive transfers its forward spin into forward momentum after it grabs the court. However; it's fairly predictable. The ball slows down as it approaches the receiver because the topspin changes the forward movement into a curve that might be moving down even more than it's moving towards the receiver. It hits the court hard, grips it, and bounds up and forward. A floaty slice is also predictable: it floats slowly, dies, and bounces up.
The nasty slice is completely different. That tricky "skip" is due to a nice combination of speed and just the right of amount of backspin. Instead of curving downward like a topspin, it curves up, reducing the forces of gravity. Therefor, It impacts the court at a very modest angle, giving the ball little weight and grip, which makes it "skip". A nasty slice can be struck with only modest backspin, but the better ones have a good amount of sideways spin, too, which produces more control to overcome any incoming spin.
Well put. That nasty slice is best taken early. Get down low, bend the knees.
If I back up on a LOW sliced ball, it might touch the ground the second time before I can hit it?
Don't back up too far just simply give the ball additonal space than you normally would. Taking slice on the rise or at the apex is especially difficult. Hope this helps!
This helps a lot
hmmm...what if you want to hit it on the rise or at least at its apex? In general, I don't like giving up ground if I can help it.
That’s absolutely what you should do if you have that skill set. Giving space to the ball is something we’re advising for lower NTRP players to do, especially those unfamiliar with heavy slice. Thanks for the feedback Thomas! 🙏🏻
Love the three unicorns being born.
I didn't know that either that after the contact turns into the topspin
I agree it changes to top spin, but isn't there some transfer of angular momentum into kinetic enrgy, as inm the ball ca=hanges direction?
I guess it depends on the angle of incidence, but I've seen a wicked slice bounce really low and fast, where you would have to back up, but then on a slower ball with more drop and vertical impact with the ground, I've definitely seen it stand up, like stop dead and bounce straight up, really high, with little or no movement tot he back of my court.
In fact, I've seen it go back towards the net.
Drop shot, in other words.
Anyways, with either one I move in, with the drop shot so I can get to it, with the slice so I can get to it early before it has changed direction significantly and so I can take it early, before it drops down too low to get under it with a good topspin shot. If I have to stay back I'm pretty much limited to a neutralizing slice return, and I prefer to win/lose rather than just stay in it.
Well, now I see you covered the topics I brought up, so never mind.
Love the feedback though!
I always knew the slice had to turn into topspin after bouncing but why does returning a slice produce such a different action coming off the strings if it's just topspin at that point?
could be just because your contact point is much lower to the ground than a normal topspin groundstroke around waist or chest high. generating topspin on low balls is tough.
Thats my problem, i usually get beaten by other players that have less technique than me, they dont have backhand hit so they hit it with only slice everytime i try to attack on their backhand side
I think it is incorrect to say the backspin changes to topspin. Rather the speed and the sharp angle at which the ball hits the ground, the friction of ground contacting with the ball is causing the top spin. Let me explain. As we know everything is relative, so instead of looking at the ball speeding to hit the ground, let imagine the ball being still but the ground is moving in the opposite direction to hit the ball. This would be the same way you hit the ball with your racket to put impart topspin on it. The sharper the contact angle and the faster the contact speed, the greater the top spin. Any initial backspin you have on the ball will be overcome by the speed and impact of the ground. So to the same argument , hitting a fast flat ball at a steep angle will also have this effect as the ball hits the ground.
If the slice turns to topspin after the bounce why doesn't it bounce
up high like a topspin instead of skidding low?... Guessing it must be due to the incoming trajectory. A slice will have low net clearance. But it is still weird that topspin stays that damn low.
You got it, it's all about the incoming trajectory!
I don't believe that would always work cz next thing coming from the slicer when you work from the back is a dropshot combo... What comes next?
The softer the slice is hit the less spin the ball will have. If the opponent has a good variation of deep and short spin then we must learn to read the player to adjust for the incoming ball.
Hmm. Thanks!!
So I hit deep, hard slices. You say receiver should back up - good. I'll be waiting at the net.
Fair enough lol. Hopefully they don't back up quite that far that you can sneak into the net. If so go get em!
Thank ya sir!
i don't understand the physics that a slice turns into topspin after bounce? with a high speed camera, this can be easily proved or disproved.
It really depends on the pace of the backspin. A hard struck slice will result in topspin after the bounce whereas a soft slice (dropshot) will often result in side spin / backspin. Hope this helps clarify. Thanks for watching.
My forehand and backhand are going high pls correct
All about that topspin my friend. Heavier spin will help bring the ball down. Also look to strike the ball at the apex or while it's ascending, this will help you go more through the ball. Hope this helps, thanks for watching!
1:18 is when the tips start
So the incoming slice turns into topspin after the bounce? But shouldn't topspin bounce high? The slices I see bounce and skid low.
+Raul Tennis the drive slice produces a very condensed low trajectory. Slow slice would loose speed and hold up through the court. Thanks for the watching!
i lost bad one USTA match with someone fucking slice all the time or lobs. he is quite good with slice. but i was afraid to slam it and eventually i lost by making mistakes...
He's not too early, he's just not low enough....geeez. Hitting the top of the ball. This is the problem and this is why your analogy isn't good. Topspin jumps up to you, deflects high off the string bed, thus requiring a slightly closed face to control the ball back. The slice stays lower, regardless that the spin changes once it hits the court, the slice (side and underspin) keeps the ball lower than a topspin shot and a typical club player does not recognize this and will hit most of these shots in the net. It is not the topspin (after bounce) that makes this ball travel more linear, it is the fact that it didn't have topspin when it landed. This is why a slice is a good way to defend and incoming slice.
Thanks for the feedback Ken, you made a lot of valid points. Please keep in mind though that this video is garnered towards a recreational level. Although many high level players would take the slice on the rise or at least at its apex, it’s going to be far easier for a club level player to absorb the slice by backing up and allowing space from the ball. The necessary knee bend and timing of taking the ball on the rise would be difficult to repeat over the course of a match for a lot of players.
I tend to agree with this observation. I am a sub 4.5 player and I play against this guy who's a hack and his only shot is a driving slice. He literally has no other type of forehand and it drives me nuts! I did not start playing tennis for this! The ball travels fast and low and is very difficult to hit back. It's the reason I chose to watch this video- to figure out how to play against this guy. the takeaway for me maybe is that I just need to get lower to hit the ball back because I keep expecting the ball to pop up because it has a slice on it.
As a 4.5 you could certainly take the ball on the rise. It’s definitely important to stay low, but also keep the body relaxed through the uncoil. Keeping the chin down will help control any additional spin after the bounce. With a NTRP below a 4.5 we would still recommend giving the ball space. Thanks for the feedback Charlie!!
I get fed up with the banter.
Scott does talk a lot ;)
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Well, you better make another take or edit this video. The fact that you need camera to recognize whether ball has top or back spin after the bounce from the ground doesn't sound like to be the best "selling pitch" for you as top tennis coaches. IMHO
Thanks for the feedback Mi S but sometimes it’s merely about sparking excitement regarding learning something new. Not trying to sell anything unless it’s the joy of the game. Being a solid coach is as much about the way things are communicated as experience and material. We do appreciate you watching though, and always welcome feedback.
Maybe it is a bit difficult to show on camera. Once in a drill, the coach showed us a slice (he hit /fed the slice from within service box and the ball landed within service box the other side of the net), so we can watch the ball closely. It is magical, from under spin the ball changed to top spin after bounce!
Please, please, more videos on slice (soft ones with side spin, fast chip shots (deep or short angled), etc. and importantly how to play against such players. I learned top spin way of playing (intent to learn the ATP forehand) but it is not ‘heavy’ yet, I always lose to players who either slice/chip or slice/chip+(med pace) top spin with classic forehand (assume the versatile grip/technique since it is so compact backswing). USTA3.5C level. Thanks!
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Lol ok just stop this ain’t physics class teach us how to beat slicers lol
Kaiser De Leon lol fair enough 😉
Ridiculous
Boring...couldn't make it through.
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Your side kick talks too much and makes too many silly jokes! I want to learn about tennis, not hear dumb jokes.
Hmmmmmmm....I got beat by a deeply annoying chipper/slicer today. If I'd had a gun I would have shot him! I ended up playing like him. Amateur tennis has different dynamics. Junk ball hell
Yeah it is quite annoying to play people like that.
Me too. I always lose to slicer/chipper. It made me wonder what I need to do at 3.5C level. It will take me long time to improve my top spin to be ‘heavy’ enough, or probably better I need to learn and practice slice/chip shots.
comedy hour of zero value
I mean it was 38 seconds but since we're rounding up..
Terrible video... slice the ball doest bounce that hight... and also if you step away it will bounce 2 times.... terrible advice . He could not hit the ball because the ball was close to the floor
The EMPEROR Cézar check out the recommended skill level. The instruction is for intermediate players who have trouble over crowding the ball. For advanced players, they could certainly take it on the rise. Not every player is knifing slice, lots of variations out there.
The passive aggressiveness between these two guys is hilarious to see