Honestly, I feel done. There's no surprise anymore, it is just a level of sh** I am getting used to. How pathetic are Manchester United? It's unreal, and Liverpool at Anfield next? Yeah can't wait lads.
United fans with Ten Hag: "Why has he abandoned his playing style? Ten Hag Out." United fans with Amorim: "Why is he persisting with his playing style when it isn't working?" Our fans don't even know what they want. Same level IQ Rashford has ridiculous!
@@chuckthecheese ten hag changed and adjusted and brought us 2 trophies and 3 finals in two years! A 3rd place finish and 8th placed finish with a crazy number of injuries…Good managers adjust! Amorim has one formation that’s the worrying part! Maybe that’s the reason Liverpool and West Ham gave him a wide birth!
The most confusing thing about united is the wages and transfer fees. How on earth did we think mount was worth 60mil in his final contract year?! And 250k a week? Who’s idea was it to give Bruno a 310k contract after our worst prem season and will take him well into his 30s? How on earth did hojlund cost 75mil????- that’s a fee reserved for certified stars or the worlds most wanted young players! He’s neither! Lisandro at 60mil now looks worrying, who will take rashford at those wages? Maguire at 85mil antony at 85mil…. 😂😂😂😂
For real, mate. Don't forget we've also been underselling players so badly. To name a few Pogba left for free, Maguire is also on the brink of leaving free when we could've shipped him to West Ham 2 years ago just because the club refused to pay 7 million compensation, not to mention our academy graduates. My wild imagination would assume that the 'open heart surgery' would also include a massive overhaul inside the management because the way transfer business and player wage is handled it looks like that the club might have been engaged in some money laundering activities 😆😆
simple... Woodward, guys a fucking idiot and was the start of the snowball rolling down the mountain, after he left he caused an absolute car crash of a team and ETH lost interest in making it better. Like he decided to spend a fortune to spite the club.
Yup, somebody in that boardroom thought it'd be wise to sign these goofy contracts. No wonder Manutd is the joke of the town. Worse, these lads NEVER play.
The team lack quality. Simple!! Ralf Rangnick said the team lack players with intensity identified players with strength, intensity and work rate long time ago like Diaz, Enzo and Alvarez, but the club failed him. There's a reason Klopp signed 7 or 8 ex Ragnick players to fit his "rock and roll" system. For far too long these are attributes United have ignored and it shows in abundance.
Our players are too weak physically. When I saw Tonali, Guimeraes and Joelinton against Eriksen and Slowsemiro, I laughed. And physicality is important in EPL.
You can add Elanga to that list. He was deemed not good enough, we sold him and kept Garnacho. And now his looking down on us from second in the table. Amazing recruitment United!
I am absolutely disgusted by the stupid fans that booed Zirkzee off. He’s still a 23 year old lad that has come into a bad very bad team. He’s struggling for form but do you know how it hurts for a kid being booed by adults mercilessly? He’s not even been starting most of the games and yet we expect him to be prime R9? The Man Utd scouting team knew he was never a real 9 b4 they bought him. His profile was a false 9 or a behind a striker. Today I just realised it’s not only the Glazers/Ineos that are a problem, Some of our fans are just as toxic as Arsenal fans. I could literally see that kids’s heart being broken when he was booed or jeered at.
In the 70s my best mate was a Liverpool fan, and I went to stand on the Kop with him a few times before I went to OT. The first time I went I was in the Stratford End, and our so called fans were giving Coppell dogs abuse, until he scored, when they changed their attentions to Sammy Mac - it was completely different to how the Liverpool fans behaved to their own players. I know that was a long time ago, but I think that maybe our home supporters aren't as good as we would like to think they are ( our away supporters, though, are brilliant )
Fair play, an honest assessment when things are this bad people are going out for scapegoats. Clearly you haven't let the passion turn to poison. It's rough and it doesn't look like improving soon, but thought I had to like your comment your heads in the right place 👏👏🫡
He’s a grown man. A professional footballer. A multi millionaire. He’s not a kid, he cannot even control the ball. He is abysmal. He isn’t the only one. There are many. But, sink or swim. Fans like you are part of the problem.
Thankyou someone else who sees it, we pass the ball in front of teams , that's all. We actually don't go past teams we don't run off the ball, no formation will work , we can't get past teams .
Because we’ve got wrong footed wingbacks, it’s like trippier for England at LWB. Forces them just to go back or try do something stupid to progress the ball. Manager can’t focking see it!!
@@incognito96 I started wondering if these guys are actually footballers the look like illiterates on the pitch because believe me not everything is expected to be thought as a player you should have instinct❤ these players are not smart nor intelligent at all and it's so frustrating seeing the basic things of football so hard for them. The lack of movements is embarrassing I watch them pass the ball and stand without creating space to receive and that's why we end up playing backwards and sideways oh my goodness🤦♂️ I was really embarrassed united have the most illiterate players with zero football knowledge
3 central defenders and we cant defend a bloody cross. How many headed goals have we conceded. Teams don't need to play well against us just lump a ball into the box, and they will score
When Trippier attempted to score from the corner, my heart sank, couldnt believe what I was seeing.Been a United fan since 2008, that first half was the worst performance I have ever seen from a Manchester United team
You must have a short memory mate. I've seen us play as bad, if not worse numerous times since before Ole was sacked. Point being we've been utter sht for years!
@@mattw4176 I know bro but Trippier attempted to score from a corner TWICE at Old Trafford, he did that!!! In our backyard. It doesn't get worse than that, they had no fear or respect for us at all.
@@iopne4025 I remember that 7-0, but this is Newcastle bro. Newcastle shouldn't play like that at Old Trafford, attempting to score from the corner?? No ways, that shouldn't be happening
I’ve said it, we need 18 more points from somewhere because we can really go down. We aren’t good at all and I genuinely believe we are going to continue to lose.
I honestly really felt sorry for Joshua Zirkzee he was in tears after being booed off by fans and Amorim took him off after 32+mins. He is only new to this club FFS being thrown under the bus
This coach is not creative enough. Against Liverpool this should be the starting lineup if he wants to put up a fight. Onana Mazouari, Yoro, Maguire, De Ligt, Dalot Ugarte, Martinez Amad, Mainoo Rashford
I don't think Ten Hag could have turned it around anymore if he had stayed, but for that exact reason I wanted him to sit out the season. Let the players face reality and see who steps up. Would have saved Amorim the headache of trying to play a 343 system without adequate wingbacks as well.
@2pacMakaveli777 on the bright side, we all can bet on ManU to concede goals from corner, gives you some money to start the new year. It's a no brainer lol
We don't have a team ready for a relegation battle at all...we are weak and lack conviction. The teams in the bottle part of the table and the championship are fighting for their lives
Open heart surgery as ragnick suggested means MAJOR changes, not just shifting on fringe players. Get rid of Bruno, rashford, case and maybe Martinez too
Martinez? You all praised him sky high last season. He was the best defender, certainly before his injuries. Remember?? No, you don't! You throw him under the bus when he's having a bad period. Like so many others in the squad. They're trying to cope with a new system, with a highly demanding coach (which is good!), learning his system on the fly, during a season which already was going bad... So now players are in and out of the squad, many changing positions, other teammates every game, no automatisms, increasing pressure and scrutiny from everybody, not in the least the toxic fans and pundits... Yes they are pro's. They should be able to deal with it! But not in a collectively failing squad loosing all those matches. Surprise: They're human! What you're seeing is a squad without any confidence. Players without belief. Messing up even basic football abilities... What do you expect? A miracle?
@ lol Martinez last season was non existent and when he did play he wasn’t good. You might be talking about his first season but that season rashford was also good so what’s your point? And I always preferred varane anyway I just think Martinez aggressive approach looks more eye catching to fans. I’m not saying force him out the door but if I good fee came in for him id consider it
I am watching this from Spain being Dutch and see people reacting for years now criticizing players and or the manager. "It's Van Gaal, It's Mourinho, It's Moyes, or any player, it's Casemiro, it's Zirkzee, it's Bruno, It's Rashford, etc, etc, etc..." Now go for instance to Madrid and ask fans what they think of Casemiro. The reaction would be 100% positive. Great player, one of the best, etc... How is that possible? Well I know, it's not the manager, it's not an individual player, there is something completely wrong at the club and it's fans. They want to buy success, and then claim the cup with mercenaries and think they did it themselves. It's the soullessness, the attitude without love that is at the club and it's fans that is the problem. Big money destroyed professional football in general, but it's nowhere so obvious as at MU.
We've been run poorly under the Glazers and 1 of it could be the fact that they were somewhat "pressured" by fans to succeed hence they go around giving the credit card to the wrong people and let them spend whatever they to satisfy the fans. Now Ratcliffe is playing the villian by doing all these costs cutting, exiling on underperforming players(potentially selling them), and for once, we have an owner that is actually trying to fix the shitshow from the Glazers instead of spending more money. And I will commend him on that, he doesn't mind being portrayed as a viliian by some fans, but in this way, we could also cleanse the fanbase of glory hunters. It will take time, but just imagine with all these cuts happening now, you'll actually wonder what might have happened if the Glazers stayed in control for another 3 years if there wasnt a new owner, we might lowkey be under administration by the league
We need to get relegated & get rid of players, fans, staffs , sponsors, owners,who dont want to stay when the club is at all time low. That would be much easier.
Poor decisions at the top, lack of coherent strategy at the top, lack of intelligent leadership and poor judgement at the top are why Man Utd find themselves where they are now. It's not the fans recruitment strategy. It's not the fans negotiating transfers and contracts. It's not the fans hiring and firing the coaches. It's not the fans allowing the stadium to deteriorate. It's not the fans letting the training ground fall behind other clubs. I don't know what fans you're talking about exactly but Utd have some of the most loyal and educated fans in world football many of whom have been through difficult times in the 70's and 80's before. I think you're confusing youtubers, people on social media and tourists as proper football fans.
Well said! United have the highest wage bill in the league but play the worst football with the laziest players....everything about the club is rotten.
Madrid fans are the most fical in the world. They wouldn't accept this crap. They would be waving the white hankies at Casemeiro if he played like he has been for us.
Zirkzee is nowhere near good enough, but being singled out is disgraceful. None of them are good enough. Lisandro and Casemiro came off to an ovation and Lisandro was by far the worst player on the pitch. Where were their boos? Hojlund is just as useless as Zirkzee is. Lukaku scored 27 goals for us when he signed in 2017, but he was getting bashed for not being good enough. Now we have Hojlund who scores a goal every 3 months and no one says a thing because he posts funny Instagram captions. I'm not having the "doesn't get service" nonsense. It took him an entire 45 minutes just to make himself an option for the ball. If you're not good enough, you're not good enough. And most of these players aren't good enough. There are about 3/4 players out of the entire 33-man squad who have any hope of ever being a Man Utd player. Most of them are frauding their way to even be playing in the Premier League let alone in a Utd shirt.
Rasmus has been the worst player in that pitch but nobody is talking about it. Zirkzee has not been given half of the opportunity Rasmus was given as a top striker and you all don't want to give him a chance. The mentality of you fans is the reason United will hardly win a major trophy. It 's disgusting
@@AlmightyGodHimself Rasmus is garbage been saying it since day one! He’s never there when the ball comes into the box the service is just another myth we create chances he’s just never there or spends too much time wrestling.
Then boo everyone else. Where was Martinez's boo. Where was Casemiros? Bearing in mind they were the worst 2 players on the pitch. Martinez put in one of the disgraceful defensive displays I've ever seen but he was applauded off the pitch. "bUtChEr"...my ass. Where's the Hojlund heat when he stinks up the place every single game? @@jhpfdijtuiweruot
Fans need to protest outside the training ground so the players are afraid to leave training and matches ! Cause they obviously not doing what the coach wants.
I keep hearing people say "go back to 4-3-3" as though that would change things. The problem is the bulk of these players don't have the drive/desire to do change the club around. The /ONLY/ reason 4-3-3/4-2-31 has worked for us these past few years is because its something everyone has played long enough that they can do it in their sleep and then one or two players have decided to do something more than the bare minimum. But Amorim's system has forced those automatic responses into the light. It's akin to someone having written a report on the same topic for years suddenly having to talk about a completely different one. And rather than knuckle down to learn the new material, they're writing the report exactly the same as they always have. We've gone from scoring in the first minute of games to conceding in it. Our central midfield is near-enough useless, we have a captain who doesn't have a core position, attackers who can't attack, defenders and goalkeepers who can't seem to defend, and our best player since Amorim came can't do everything himself. Today's performance is exactly what we've been getting for the past few years.
God bless you. Like we were not equally poor when we played 4 at the back. I will only blame Amorim for accepting Man Utd's job...Especially midseason.. It is a ticking time bomb. So risky.
You don’t understand tactics. Current system means you have more players behind the ball in possession and less pressure on the ball out of possession. Makes it harder to counter press, makes it harder to attack, makes it harder to retain the ball. Works in the Portuguese league, can’t work in the Premier League, unless you’re ok with parking the bus and having 20% ball possession stats.
@@Diirk I personally don’t think you can play a “5 back” in the PL. the good teams pin you back. They will spend 200mil to suit his style and end up sacking him in 18 months. Might of been better leaving Ruud in the job till Christmas.
@@DiirkYou're the one who actually knows nothing. Throwing every manager under the bus because of these players? Wolves dealt with us with 3 at the back? What was the difference? Mentality, Physicality which our players lack. Easily blown out from the ball physically. You have Eriksen and other players and what you have to say is complaining about system? I can't believe some of these fans still don't think. When ETH used 4 at the back, what changed? You guys lured him to ADAPT and leave his philosophy. I love trophies, AND I love sustainability in performances, an identity as well. Man Utd's problem right now is not formation. Get that!
We missed to sitters in the first half...could have been 2-2 at HT. No composure...no confidence. We need relegation to cleanse the club. Nothing can fix this.
Without an iota of exaggeration, this is the worst Man United team I’ve ever seen. While it may be too early to judge the manager, starting a deadwood midfield pairing of Casemiro and Eriksen against an in-form Newcastle side was baffling. I didn’t expect us to win, but with a better starting lineup, we could’ve at least snatched a point.
Should have started Mainoo but we need relegating...this goes way beyond managers and coaches....the culture at the club is ROTTEN and players rule the roost on their ridiculous wages..they do what they like.
This is why a midfield of Ugarte and Martinez is needed. Two bulldogs but Martinez is also a good ball carrier and can pick out a pass like the one against City to Amad. This coach needs to be creative and think outside the box
Hojlund missed a one on one, Casemiro missed a one on one, Maguire hit the post, Yoro missed a free header from a corner. Looked much better when Mainoo came on for Zirkzee. Ugarte was a big miss today.
It's been the story of our season that little bit of luck that you need in football hasn't been there. We have hit the woodwork more than any other team in the league and missed most big chances.
The optimist looks at it from that angle, should have scored at least 2, the goal was that open. If we are to concentrate on the negatives from this match, and there were plenty, future gets too bleak. Focus on the positives.👉🏼 onwards
@@liberty2200 it's a joke. There's a reason no team that regularly finish top half the table plays 5 defenders. Might work in other leagues that only have 2 or 3 top teams. But not in EPL. I bet ten hag is laughing his tits off right now
@@matthewbaker2573 its not about starting all of them at one. Amass would do much better than what dalot is doing right now. Kukonki can do much better than martinez due to his physicality. Toby would do better because of his energy and ability to cover more ground. Rotate it.
@@liberty2200 EtH took Ajax to a near UCL final. Credentials superior (Bayern). We were slowly improving. He never got a chance to even play Yoro. Never got a proper chance with Maz, Yoro, Ugarte. Bled in Mainoo, Garnacho and got all he could out of this weak squad. Not perfect, but we have regressed to a pathetic level. We arent even playing football. 5 St the back at Old Trafford! I would rather go down with a fight.
What we learned today and some thing we already know is we need to BUY in the January transfer window . Number 1 is we need a striker who is a goal machine no matter the cost Number 2 we need a left back with pace and strength Number 3 We need a box to box midfielder to play along side Ugarte A player with a real engine If we can do this we might at least steady the ship as they say . But something has to be done because at the moment we are on a slide to the Championship
What a beautiful time to be alive. You deserve every moment of this after the arrogance of the 90s/00s and even the many years post-Fergie when you had absolutely no right.
So glad of this result sad to say this as a United fan, at least now most of the fans now know it’s not about team selection when we don’t even have a good squad
It’s time to consider a genuine relegation battle. They are going from bad to worse, I don’t see us picking up anywhere near enough points to stay out of it.
The first thing that the managerial level people need to admit that our squad is not enough, we spent tons of money to build a football academy and retirement home with the first team squad. Almost every transfers in the past decade are could fit in one of this categories: past their prime, has potential in the future but not ready yet, doesn't suit the system. And right, cut the transfer budget and blame it on the manager will always solve the problem. ffs
I mean it's a tough moment because Amorin had instituted a completely new formation (without the necessary players to implement this unique setup) & with ZERO time to train. It's a lose/lose & the effect of keeping Ten Hag after last season. If Amorim has a summer transfer window & some time to train up the players on the system, then it would probably be somewhat better now. So now, replacing ten hag when they did, & then bringing in someone who plays a COMPLETELY different system, this was always going to be the result. All you can do is wait out this tough period, fight relegation, & then look for some improvement next season.
Thats wat im saying and i defo think ineos made the most stupidest decision doing this. Sacking ten haag was fine, but shouldve kept Van Nistelrooy as his tactics wouldve fit this side. Then gotten amorim in the summer
@ exactly! Amorin should have said, I will come in summer. I have to finish season with Porto bc we are doing so well. He placed himself in an unwinnable situation.
Don’t even want to think about Sunday vs Liverpool at Anfield. That would be even harder because we used to dominate them in the league until Klopp came in and we already lost to them earlier in the season at Old Trafford.
The mere facts that we start off the transfer season knowing which players should be out but then when the going gets tough we turn on the he managers is insane. Any serious club wouldn't be having some players like shaw, eriksson, lindelof, rashford etc at the club. We are a joke
I came with my dad all the way from Serbia to watch the game. There was no concept, no movement, no energy. Casemiro is finished, as is Eriksen. But the worst part, the unexplainable part, was actually FANS APPLAUDING THE TEAM AFTER THE GAME! We were like, WTF? It was horrific. What are you applauding? Fans seem to be sooo soft. I can't help but think my team became a global business, nothing more.
@@simoncampbell3144oh stop blaming tourist fans all the time Let’s be real it would never be an empty stadium because even the ultras or season ticket owners would still go to the games Purely because it’s too expensive to miss anyway And I know this as I used to have a season ticket for Utd games. An empty stadium I just can’t see happening so stop blaming tourist fans because I bet if there was a good seat to watch a Utd game you would snap my hand of to get that opportunity…
Feel bad for you pal! You should be spending no money whatsoever until the players required are here! Those high intensity players that can sprint for 90 minutes! These are bunch of cowboys!
Why are people acting so disappointed? Nobody thought we'd win this game, so why is it such a surprise? We're not expected to beat Liverpool, but i bet everybody responds with disappointment as if they expected a different outcome. What can Amorim change? Simple answer is to give him transfer windows. He's not had one yet. He inherited this team, but I'm sure he already knows what action needs to be taken next. The fact that people have written him off already is stupid. We've known for years it's the players, not the manager/head coach, to blame for the poor results.
Anyone that still thinks the managers are the problem are totally brainless...therefore their opinions are irrelevant....player power culuture has destroyed the club. Got the highest wage bill but play worst football...speaks volumes. Players do what they like and are a bunch of bluffers.
Mazroui has had 2 difficult games, letting those crosses through was disaster with the fact that we low on confidence whenever the ball comes in the box
Why does anyone think it will change with the SAME players and worse than that trying to learn a new system with no time for training? How many times people going to keep saying the same thing. 😴
Maybe looking to our academy is the answer right now, we might not have a class of 92 coming through but at least some of these young guys will fight for the badge unlike the gutless wonders we currently have playing in the first team.
People will not acknowledge this but YES he did and he was forced (before big jimmy waltzed in) to play pric& Rashford. so laugh all ya want...but he's got those 2 trophies F A C T
Casemiro decision making was awful. I feel as though he didn't want the ball because he was to indecisive. Everyone was low in confidence and goodness gracious why did we loose the ball so much. The passing accuracy was nothing to write home about. smh
It just looks like the players don’t believe in the system or the manager, we’re down and out and it really does look bad for United for the medium term
Basic football seems to be foreign to these players...crossing to amad while he is being marked with dan burn??? Seriously dalot ignoring runs opting for an inside pass, we are complicating football fr😔
Another season wasted,let's hope we don't get relegated.Almost everyone thinks that ain't going to happen...well some time ago people didn't believe in Leicester winning the league
Playing 5 defenders in this league is just asking to be dominated. Name one dominant team in the pl that plays with 5 atb. The only one in recent history is Conte's Chelsea (who had a winger playing @ wb btw,) but even they weren't dominating games - they were compact and relied on transitions. In our best game this season this guy had a winger at wb; had a false 9, a runner, and a creator as his front three; and had workhorse and a tempo setter in midfield. All those profiles are still available to us now - even in today's game. He spent his entire press conference speaking about the negatives (as opposed to improving on something that worked) after that match and we've been worse ever since.
Finally, I have been crying for Amorim to realise he hit the bullseye in his first few games where he kept Maz and Dalot inside and used actually winger wide, defend with attacking threat, make the opposition keep thinking of threat behind. 5 defenders who aren't even coached to defend is just self sabotage, especially with Eriksen- Casimero in front the defence.
The team selection against Liverpool should be defensive approach. The team should be: Onana, Yoro/Maguire, DeLigt/Evans, Martinez, Malacia, Casemiro, Ugarte, Mainoo/Bruno, Mazraoui, Amad, Hojlund. Subs: Bayindir, Yoro, Evans, Dalot, Amass, Eriksen, Colliyer, Gernacho, Zirkzee Rashford & Antony We expecting not to lose as long as we apply ourselves & shut up shop. We're already 17 point down from where we should be cos we already have the players to choose from!
The problem in Manchester United is not the coaching staff and how the club is managed, it is the players who are the biggest problem. We need players fast and soon as possible we also need to make a profit from them players . It's a damn very hard job, but it has to be done if we want United to become the best club in England and the world
I’m expecting a minimum of 20 league defeats and honestly the club deserves to go down, it will be a blessing actually, it’s the reset we need because I’m not seeing any urgency to change our fortunes the way Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal have shown. Get relegated and weed out the overpaid and underperforming mediocrity and play the academy plus some smart purchases of players who want to fight for the badge. Build a winning mentality against weaker opposition and win the championship. Clubs in the toilet right now.
I keep asking this question. We did we sack ETH? Everyone saying that players are the problem. But if that is the case only. why did we sack ETH. Because Amorim system will never work in epl. Mark my words
Ten hag gave his heart and soul. They say ten hag bought these players lol no big player will come to United. He bought what he could get. Not his fault.
We didn't win the league for 26 years before we won the Prem league. Liverpool didn't win it for 30 years. We dont have a god given right to win it because we are united. That attitude has got us to where we are now. We need to experience the pain, reset and come back. This season, I hope Forest do a Leicester 🤞and we do a Chelsea next season (by all of a sudden start challenging)... I also expect us to be on the end of another 5+ hiding on Sunday, but I will still watch it no matter what.... UTID ❤
For the first time, which is amazing considering all the lows we have had since 2013, I’m staying away from watching games, i’m finished. It’s too mich supporting this team
@@mrgroovitivede gea was terrible with high balls and had jelly feet..he is not any better...if he is so good, he wouldnt be out of job for 1 whole season and wouldnt even lose his national team spot
This is just an opinion/observation, Ruben in this context knows best. The 4 in this 3-4-2-1 needs to stay compact and that the RWB and LWB cannot and should not be a "winger". Contradicting but when they start this overlapping runs they already expose the huge midfield spaces and forced the RCB and LCB to cover this spaces. Now to not let that happen they expect the two central guys to cover and when that happens teams with brilliant passing ability are capable to switch to the other side forcing the whole 3-2 (Def-Mid) to shift the other side and backwards. Eventually disrupting the shape. With our players not really understanding this formation yet and not knowing which zones are for which player they get a bit too deep to cover and again expose the cut back opportunities which is also a killer considering how poorly we did against these situations. Also when the LWB and RWB are covering the opponents winger the two CAM's then tend be too close when shifting which eventually causes us not to have enough players when we counter. I am not too critical about the 2-1 (CAM-ST) but it helps when they come back to defend but in this case just stay there to standby (to receive the ball) for counters. I might be wrong and as I've mentioned, Ruben knows better about this formation than me a lowly fan who only supports and not know anything but also I have hope that it will eventually work (how many times have I convinced myself). Suprising but not so surprising how Liverpool managed to do well in a basic 4-2-3-1 formation. Having players like Luis Diaz a maniac in high pressure, Salah a clinical finisher, Gakpo who have been cutting on his right and shoots as well as their three man V16 Hemi midfielders Mac Alis, Szozy boy and Gravy. How they press get the ball quickly get it foward and take their chances to shoot and restart. Simple and direct. I guess we need to do well in our transitions and get to the opponents box quicker like they do. We'll see this coming game. Too lengthy I know but I wanted to type it out so that it's emptied in my brain. Now I have space for reconciliation with my brain after this turmoil.
Apart from the bad players can we talk about the worst Amorim performance? He started Zirkzee infront of Garnacho,Rashford,Antony,Mainoo , zirkzee the guy who is by far our worst attacker. He starts Eriksen Casemiro, man if you watched United at all in those 3 years you would know that this duo cannot be allowed to be played together. Then he continues with no changes in our attack and we are 2-0 down. At the last 10 minutes with 2 players left to sub he snabs Rashford brings only Antony and Hojlund was gasping for air. If you are here to win do it at all cost, you don't like Rashford for whatever reason fine but be realistic about your options. We conceded 2 goals from crosses over Martinez, and he switched him at 60 minute. Today was all on Amorim, cause we are all aware about how bad these players are and what they can do but today he acted like he was his first time seeing them
@@Igneelx man i don't say the downfall of the club it's his fault, but this game, Being here for one month does not change the fact that he should have known eriksen and case don't go together
@@Igneelx a month is enough to know he is using players in wrong roles and position, a month is enough to know Eriksen and Casimero together is kamikaze, a month is enough to know wide position worked best when he used wingers. A month is enough to know all this especially when he picked the players in right roles in his first couple of games where he used Maz and Dalot inside the pitch and used wingers wide, and the attacking threat helped keep opposition from relentlessly pressing the middle in fear of possible counters. His present setups have been absolutely toothless trying to play from the middle with geriatrics instead of trying Collyer out.
What’s the point of forcing a 352/ 343 without having the players to fill in key positions in that formation? These last three matches are easily some of the worst ever united matches I’ve seen. Amorim should’ve transferred slower to his formation after bringing in the players to play those positions. This is just suicide with the best players not being able to play in their best position. The team was already wonky, they needed stability, not all learning a new position in a new formation.
Nah, stop that. Our problems are deeper than the formation the manager uses. That is the reality of it, before Amorim, before ETH, heck even before Ole. Our culture an dressing room sucks, we need a reset.
Important to note: players are not machines. They get tired, and they need rotation. It does not make sense to play Mainoo if he is not fit, especially considering that you will have a much harder game a few days later that will require a dynamic midfield.
Mainoo was our BEST player put respect on that kid who saved us from embarrassment like he did Fa cup final. When Barca or Madrid take him fans will regret dissing him👎
Absolutely a hundred percent right.. Amorim not fit wearing the shirt.. please watch the 4 games we played under Van Nistelrooy and how Utd are playing now you will understand.. so if he sells a few players in January to me he is still ruining the club..
We are desperately missing wing play high up the pitch. The wingback system simply isn't working. It doesn't suit our squad, or the United attacking way of playing. I think Amorim is a good manager, and I'll be patient. But right now it's very hard to see how this formation is going to work in the prem. I feel sorry for the strikers in particular, very few quality chances created for them.
Exactly, with this type of set up you expect the wing backs to put in a lot of crosses but ours don't manage to put in more than 3 crosses the whole game. Our wing backs are practically defenders so we play 5 defenders
Honestly, I feel done. There's no surprise anymore, it is just a level of sh** I am getting used to. How pathetic are Manchester United? It's unreal, and Liverpool at Anfield next? Yeah can't wait lads.
Ineos need to buy better players in January or get relegated
we will lose 6-0
@@obongo96get this rubbish player first then buy a player,
@@obongo96nothing is change if still have a s*** player on club , for make a better team
@@obongo96with what money
United fans with Ten Hag: "Why has he abandoned his playing style? Ten Hag Out."
United fans with Amorim: "Why is he persisting with his playing style when it isn't working?"
Our fans don't even know what they want. Same level IQ Rashford has ridiculous!
@@chuckthecheese ten hag changed and adjusted and brought us 2 trophies and 3 finals in two years! A 3rd place finish and 8th placed finish with a crazy number of injuries…Good managers adjust! Amorim has one formation that’s the worrying part! Maybe that’s the reason Liverpool and West Ham gave him a wide birth!
This💯👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
😂couldn't have said it better
Yea so why sack ETH, fans are the problem with the club
@chuckthecheese with Mourinho "Yes he's winning but his football is boring" Mourinho out!🤣
This is the storm that Amorim talked about after a few days at Carrington
It was Ferdinand bruh..
Amorim out. Full Stop
Foooking long storm 😂
@@jonnanmuhanguzi2185 stop making excuses for him. We cannot accept such mediocrity
And here comes the: "manager out" gang@@7inchdestroyer959
The most confusing thing about united is the wages and transfer fees. How on earth did we think mount was worth 60mil in his final contract year?! And 250k a week? Who’s idea was it to give Bruno a 310k contract after our worst prem season and will take him well into his 30s? How on earth did hojlund cost 75mil????- that’s a fee reserved for certified stars or the worlds most wanted young players! He’s neither! Lisandro at 60mil now looks worrying, who will take rashford at those wages? Maguire at 85mil antony at 85mil…. 😂😂😂😂
For real, mate. Don't forget we've also been underselling players so badly. To name a few Pogba left for free, Maguire is also on the brink of leaving free when we could've shipped him to West Ham 2 years ago just because the club refused to pay 7 million compensation, not to mention our academy graduates. My wild imagination would assume that the 'open heart surgery' would also include a massive overhaul inside the management because the way transfer business and player wage is handled it looks like that the club might have been engaged in some money laundering activities 😆😆
A lot brother I feel so ashamed supporting United fr at this point everyday lose of funds and heartbreak
simple... Woodward, guys a fucking idiot and was the start of the snowball rolling down the mountain, after he left he caused an absolute car crash of a team and ETH lost interest in making it better. Like he decided to spend a fortune to spite the club.
You’ve only just worked out that the board and Woodward and the Glazers destroyed the club with insane transfer and wage deals? Lol
Yup, somebody in that boardroom thought it'd be wise to sign these goofy contracts. No wonder Manutd is the joke of the town. Worse, these lads NEVER play.
The team lack quality. Simple!!
Ralf Rangnick said the team lack players with intensity identified players with strength, intensity and work rate long time ago like Diaz, Enzo and Alvarez, but the club failed him. There's a reason Klopp signed 7 or 8 ex Ragnick players to fit his "rock and roll" system. For far too long these are attributes United have ignored and it shows in abundance.
Our players are too weak physically.
When I saw Tonali, Guimeraes and Joelinton against Eriksen and Slowsemiro, I laughed.
And physicality is important in EPL.
Ten hag signing ll crap players has put us further behind
@@akinyemiakintayo5530 absolutely 👌
@akinyemiakintayo5530 embarrassing that Eriksen still starts pl games
You can add Elanga to that list. He was deemed not good enough, we sold him and kept Garnacho. And now his looking down on us from second in the table. Amazing recruitment United!
I am absolutely disgusted by the stupid fans that booed Zirkzee off. He’s still a 23 year old lad that has come into a bad very bad team. He’s struggling for form but do you know how it hurts for a kid being booed by adults mercilessly? He’s not even been starting most of the games and yet we expect him to be prime R9? The Man Utd scouting team knew he was never a real 9 b4 they bought him. His profile was a false 9 or a behind a striker. Today I just realised it’s not only the Glazers/Ineos that are a problem, Some of our fans are just as toxic as Arsenal fans. I could literally see that kids’s heart being broken when he was booed or jeered at.
In the 70s my best mate was a Liverpool fan, and I went to stand on the Kop with him a few times before I went to OT. The first time I went I was in the Stratford End, and our so called fans were giving Coppell dogs abuse, until he scored, when they changed their attentions to Sammy Mac - it was completely different to how the Liverpool fans behaved to their own players. I know that was a long time ago, but I think that maybe our home supporters aren't as good as we would like to think they are ( our away supporters, though, are brilliant )
A 23 year old is not a kid
Fair play, an honest assessment when things are this bad people are going out for scapegoats. Clearly you haven't let the passion turn to poison. It's rough and it doesn't look like improving soon, but thought I had to like your comment your heads in the right place 👏👏🫡
I agree I didn’t like to hear that!
He’s a grown man. A professional footballer. A multi millionaire. He’s not a kid, he cannot even control the ball. He is abysmal. He isn’t the only one. There are many. But, sink or swim. Fans like you are part of the problem.
We looked liked KIDS losing the ball so easily, LIKE KIDS!! I'm sure some of our U21 players would do better at shielding the ball
We pass backwards, we pass sideways, we're scared of going forward, we can't mark, we're clueless! I'm stunned how bad we are.
Thankyou someone else who sees it, we pass the ball in front of teams , that's all. We actually don't go past teams we don't run off the ball, no formation will work , we can't get past teams .
Because we’ve got wrong footed wingbacks, it’s like trippier for England at LWB. Forces them just to go back or try do something stupid to progress the ball. Manager can’t focking see it!!
These United players are honestly so pathetically stupid that they just can't understand the basics of football....
Attacking is a major problem,they don't even bother pressing.
@@incognito96 I started wondering if these guys are actually footballers the look like illiterates on the pitch because believe me not everything is expected to be thought as a player you should have instinct❤ these players are not smart nor intelligent at all and it's so frustrating seeing the basic things of football so hard for them. The lack of movements is embarrassing I watch them pass the ball and stand without creating space to receive and that's why we end up playing backwards and sideways oh my goodness🤦♂️ I was really embarrassed united have the most illiterate players with zero football knowledge
Hojlund, Amad, and Ugarte are the only ones who looks like they fight for the badge.
They Crossed Two Balls and They scored both? What type of defenders are they
i just don't want imagine what gonna happen with Liverpool
Won't be surprised if they beat Liverpool, highly doubt it though
And we had 3 central defenders.
3 central defenders and we cant defend a bloody cross. How many headed goals have we conceded. Teams don't need to play well against us just lump a ball into the box, and they will score
It's the zonal marking. There were three CB ffs
@@felis1672 I swear, The Goals we're conceding aren't even with Playstyle issue, it's just Set Piece and Crosses 😩 I'm tired
When Trippier attempted to score from the corner, my heart sank, couldnt believe what I was seeing.Been a United fan since 2008, that first half was the worst performance I have ever seen from a Manchester United team
You must have a short memory mate. I've seen us play as bad, if not worse numerous times since before Ole was sacked. Point being we've been utter sht for years!
The game against liverpool under Eth was far worse
@@mattw4176 I know bro but Trippier attempted to score from a corner TWICE at Old Trafford, he did that!!! In our backyard. It doesn't get worse than that, they had no fear or respect for us at all.
@@iopne4025 I remember that 7-0, but this is Newcastle bro. Newcastle shouldn't play like that at Old Trafford, attempting to score from the corner?? No ways, that shouldn't be happening
@@mattw4176this is the worst run of form since 1962. Lose to Liverpool, worst run of form EVER !
Your memory is tainted 🤦♂️
I’ve said it, we need 18 more points from somewhere because we can really go down. We aren’t good at all and I genuinely believe we are going to continue to lose.
At least we get that parachute payment if we go down. That should help with our summer rebuild quite nicely.
I honestly really felt sorry for Joshua Zirkzee he was in tears after being booed off by fans and Amorim took him off after 32+mins. He is only new to this club FFS being thrown under the bus
This coach is not creative enough. Against Liverpool this should be the starting lineup if he wants to put up a fight.
Onana
Mazouari, Yoro, Maguire, De Ligt, Dalot
Ugarte, Martinez
Amad, Mainoo
Rashford
@@DonR-zb2cm and you are? 😂
@@DonR-zb2cmMartinez cannot play CDM. Are you mad
I said it last year. We need to taste Relegation before we can Rise back
Maybe that's what it'll take to make these incompetent owners realise the extent of the damage that they have done over the years!
I don't think Ten Hag could have turned it around anymore if he had stayed, but for that exact reason I wanted him to sit out the season.
Let the players face reality and see who steps up.
Would have saved Amorim the headache of trying to play a 343 system without adequate wingbacks as well.
@2pacMakaveli777 on the bright side, we all can bet on ManU to concede goals from corner, gives you some money to start the new year. It's a no brainer lol
I can remember. I even argued with you, I’m sorry mate!
We don't have a team ready for a relegation battle at all...we are weak and lack conviction. The teams in the bottle part of the table and the championship are fighting for their lives
The players know they’re gone and the likes of Casemiro know they don’t need to work to get their paycheque or their move. Insidious.
Neville laughing at United fans wound me right up. He was laughing at us fans
Neville out !!
What during commentary or after the match ?
@@zman4143😂😂 bro he is not even involved as an employee
When
@@Nigh_runningduring the game, last 10 minutes I believe. Didn’t sit right with me either.
Relegation scrap is a reality after Ipswich beat Chelsea, don't say MUFC won't go down, same was said in the 70s and it happened
Yep. I well remember that.
Open heart surgery as ragnick suggested means MAJOR changes, not just shifting on fringe players. Get rid of Bruno, rashford, case and maybe Martinez too
Maybe Martinez?
Don’t be silly he needs to be moved on like the other deadwood we gotta stop this sentimentality it’s done enough damage
@Leezy_Rock you are right, Carra said that his short stature would be his failing and it's being proved right.
Martinez? You all praised him sky high last season. He was the best defender, certainly before his injuries. Remember?? No, you don't! You throw him under the bus when he's having a bad period. Like so many others in the squad. They're trying to cope with a new system, with a highly demanding coach (which is good!), learning his system on the fly, during a season which already was going bad...
So now players are in and out of the squad, many changing positions, other teammates every game, no automatisms, increasing pressure and scrutiny from everybody, not in the least the toxic fans and pundits...
Yes they are pro's. They should be able to deal with it!
But not in a collectively failing squad loosing all those matches.
Surprise: They're human!
What you're seeing is a squad without any confidence. Players without belief. Messing up even basic football abilities...
What do you expect? A miracle?
@ lol Martinez last season was non existent and when he did play he wasn’t good. You might be talking about his first season but that season rashford was also good so what’s your point? And I always preferred varane anyway I just think Martinez aggressive approach looks more eye catching to fans. I’m not saying force him out the door but if I good fee came in for him id consider it
I am watching this from Spain being Dutch and see people reacting for years now criticizing players and or the manager. "It's Van Gaal, It's Mourinho, It's Moyes, or any player, it's Casemiro, it's Zirkzee, it's Bruno, It's Rashford, etc, etc, etc..." Now go for instance to Madrid and ask fans what they think of Casemiro. The reaction would be 100% positive. Great player, one of the best, etc... How is that possible? Well I know, it's not the manager, it's not an individual player, there is something completely wrong at the club and it's fans. They want to buy success, and then claim the cup with mercenaries and think they did it themselves. It's the soullessness, the attitude without love that is at the club and it's fans that is the problem. Big money destroyed professional football in general, but it's nowhere so obvious as at MU.
We've been run poorly under the Glazers and 1 of it could be the fact that they were somewhat "pressured" by fans to succeed hence they go around giving the credit card to the wrong people and let them spend whatever they to satisfy the fans. Now Ratcliffe is playing the villian by doing all these costs cutting, exiling on underperforming players(potentially selling them), and for once, we have an owner that is actually trying to fix the shitshow from the Glazers instead of spending more money.
And I will commend him on that, he doesn't mind being portrayed as a viliian by some fans, but in this way, we could also cleanse the fanbase of glory hunters. It will take time, but just imagine with all these cuts happening now, you'll actually wonder what might have happened if the Glazers stayed in control for another 3 years if there wasnt a new owner, we might lowkey be under administration by the league
We need to get relegated & get rid of players, fans, staffs , sponsors, owners,who dont want to stay when the club is at all time low. That would be much easier.
Poor decisions at the top, lack of coherent strategy at the top, lack of intelligent leadership and poor judgement at the top are why Man Utd find themselves where they are now. It's not the fans recruitment strategy. It's not the fans negotiating transfers and contracts. It's not the fans hiring and firing the coaches. It's not the fans allowing the stadium to deteriorate. It's not the fans letting the training ground fall behind other clubs. I don't know what fans you're talking about exactly but Utd have some of the most loyal and educated fans in world football many of whom have been through difficult times in the 70's and 80's before. I think you're confusing youtubers, people on social media and tourists as proper football fans.
Well said! United have the highest wage bill in the league but play the worst football with the laziest players....everything about the club is rotten.
Madrid fans are the most fical in the world. They wouldn't accept this crap. They would be waving the white hankies at Casemeiro if he played like he has been for us.
Switching mid season to a completely new system is self destructive. They could give Ruud more chances, and get Amorim at the end of season.
Should have still been eth. Let him finish off the season while amorim comes in for pre-season.
They set amorim up for failure. Ineos are utter incompetent clowns
A good manager would see that. But not this manager. Just beg ten hag. The first manager to win 2 🏆
@@tomatokosir this is what ive been saying man. Ineos making avoidable errors
100 percent this
THIS IS ETH SAYING WE CANT PLAY LIKE AJAX
exactly
Basically saying these players are totally WORTHLESS. How he won trophies is a miracle.
Erik ten hag after spending over 600mil for Ajax players. Dutch FC got us here. Made the club championship level.
Zirkzee is nowhere near good enough, but being singled out is disgraceful. None of them are good enough. Lisandro and Casemiro came off to an ovation and Lisandro was by far the worst player on the pitch. Where were their boos? Hojlund is just as useless as Zirkzee is. Lukaku scored 27 goals for us when he signed in 2017, but he was getting bashed for not being good enough.
Now we have Hojlund who scores a goal every 3 months and no one says a thing because he posts funny Instagram captions. I'm not having the "doesn't get service" nonsense. It took him an entire 45 minutes just to make himself an option for the ball.
If you're not good enough, you're not good enough. And most of these players aren't good enough. There are about 3/4 players out of the entire 33-man squad who have any hope of ever being a Man Utd player. Most of them are frauding their way to even be playing in the Premier League let alone in a Utd shirt.
Rasmus has been the worst player in that pitch but nobody is talking about it. Zirkzee has not been given half of the opportunity Rasmus was given as a top striker and you all don't want to give him a chance.
The mentality of you fans is the reason United will hardly win a major trophy.
It 's disgusting
@@AlmightyGodHimself Rasmus is garbage been saying it since day one! He’s never there when the ball comes into the box the service is just another myth we create chances he’s just never there or spends too much time wrestling.
Oh, what would I give to have a Lukaku in the team right now. To have an Ander Herrera.
Ooh disgraceful. Get a grip. The fans have the right to boo a multi millionaire who is scamming a living from their hard earned money
Then boo everyone else. Where was Martinez's boo. Where was Casemiros? Bearing in mind they were the worst 2 players on the pitch. Martinez put in one of the disgraceful defensive displays I've ever seen but he was applauded off the pitch. "bUtChEr"...my ass. Where's the Hojlund heat when he stinks up the place every single game? @@jhpfdijtuiweruot
Fans need to protest outside the training ground so the players are afraid to leave training and matches ! Cause they obviously not doing what the coach wants.
These players just do what they like because they have all the power...will be the same under ANY manager.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😅
Jus listened to Rubens interview, man. Hes a simple, clear communicator. How clear do these players want😢
Maino improved our ball when he came on
He had presence in that midfield.
No
I keep hearing people say "go back to 4-3-3" as though that would change things. The problem is the bulk of these players don't have the drive/desire to do change the club around. The /ONLY/ reason 4-3-3/4-2-31 has worked for us these past few years is because its something everyone has played long enough that they can do it in their sleep and then one or two players have decided to do something more than the bare minimum. But Amorim's system has forced those automatic responses into the light. It's akin to someone having written a report on the same topic for years suddenly having to talk about a completely different one. And rather than knuckle down to learn the new material, they're writing the report exactly the same as they always have.
We've gone from scoring in the first minute of games to conceding in it. Our central midfield is near-enough useless, we have a captain who doesn't have a core position, attackers who can't attack, defenders and goalkeepers who can't seem to defend, and our best player since Amorim came can't do everything himself. Today's performance is exactly what we've been getting for the past few years.
God bless you. Like we were not equally poor when we played 4 at the back.
I will only blame Amorim for accepting Man Utd's job...Especially midseason.. It is a ticking time bomb. So risky.
You don’t understand tactics. Current system means you have more players behind the ball in possession and less pressure on the ball out of possession. Makes it harder to counter press, makes it harder to attack, makes it harder to retain the ball. Works in the Portuguese league, can’t work in the Premier League, unless you’re ok with parking the bus and having 20% ball possession stats.
I’m pretty sure that 343 is killing us . 2 v 3 in the middle of the park ?
Are you for fuckin real ?
@@Diirk I personally don’t think you can play a “5 back” in the PL. the good teams pin you back. They will spend 200mil to suit his style and end up sacking him in 18 months. Might of been better leaving Ruud in the job till Christmas.
@@DiirkYou're the one who actually knows nothing. Throwing every manager under the bus because of these players?
Wolves dealt with us with 3 at the back? What was the difference? Mentality, Physicality which our players lack. Easily blown out from the ball physically. You have Eriksen and other players and what you have to say is complaining about system?
I can't believe some of these fans still don't think.
When ETH used 4 at the back, what changed?
You guys lured him to ADAPT and leave his philosophy.
I love trophies, AND I love sustainability in performances, an identity as well.
Man Utd's problem right now is not formation. Get that!
Joelinton was carrying Eriksen and Mainoo on his back like kids. Did you see them trying to foul him?
We missed to sitters in the first half...could have been 2-2 at HT. No composure...no confidence. We need relegation to cleanse the club. Nothing can fix this.
We should have been 4 nil down before them chances....
Without an iota of exaggeration, this is the worst Man United team I’ve ever seen. While it may be too early to judge the manager, starting a deadwood midfield pairing of Casemiro and Eriksen against an in-form Newcastle side was baffling. I didn’t expect us to win, but with a better starting lineup, we could’ve at least snatched a point.
Should have started Mainoo but we need relegating...this goes way beyond managers and coaches....the culture at the club is ROTTEN and players rule the roost on their ridiculous wages..they do what they like.
Answer is still we need owners that care about the club, not to rob it to oblivion.
You know that Ratcliffe put a few hundred million of his own money into the club, yes?
I think one of the main issues with this team is the lack of physicality. We're being pushed around and overpowered all over the pitch.
This is why a midfield of Ugarte and Martinez is needed. Two bulldogs but Martinez is also a good ball carrier and can pick out a pass like the one against City to Amad. This coach needs to be creative and think outside the box
Because these United players are unfit and lazy AF..they don't get pushed hard enough in the gym.
Zirkzee gonna be the new scapegoat mark my words
True if he goes on Piers Morgan
As CR7 said: "The problem is not always the manager."
Hojlund missed a one on one, Casemiro missed a one on one, Maguire hit the post, Yoro missed a free header from a corner. Looked much better when Mainoo came on for Zirkzee. Ugarte was a big miss today.
It's been the story of our season that little bit of luck that you need in football hasn't been there. We have hit the woodwork more than any other team in the league and missed most big chances.
The optimist looks at it from that angle, should have scored at least 2, the goal was that open. If we are to concentrate on the negatives from this match, and there were plenty, future gets too bleak. Focus on the positives.👉🏼 onwards
It was never Ten Hag boyss😂😂😂
Anyone with half a brain could have told you that 😂
tbh I'm dissapointed when ten hag got sacked. under amorim MU is a lot worse
Its time to play the youth. Amass, kukonki, toby. They will show more skin than these old heads
It’s time to bring back ten hag. Time to see how good ten hag was
None of them suit Amorim's stupid 5 defender system either !
@ united with 5 at the back, at home 🤐🤐🤐🤐
@@liberty2200 it's a joke. There's a reason no team that regularly finish top half the table plays 5 defenders. Might work in other leagues that only have 2 or 3 top teams. But not in EPL.
I bet ten hag is laughing his tits off right now
@@matthewbaker2573 its not about starting all of them at one. Amass would do much better than what dalot is doing right now. Kukonki can do much better than martinez due to his physicality. Toby would do better because of his energy and ability to cover more ground. Rotate it.
I never believed we could get this bad, but here we are. It feels like it'll only get worse from here.
Everyone was shitting on Ten Hag. We've hired a public speaker who charms the media. That structure let them have us! Toothless.
😂😂😂. Ten Hag put his hart and soul in. And the team/ club / fans let him down
@@liberty2200 EtH took Ajax to a near UCL final. Credentials superior (Bayern). We were slowly improving. He never got a chance to even play Yoro. Never got a proper chance with Maz, Yoro, Ugarte. Bled in Mainoo, Garnacho and got all he could out of this weak squad. Not perfect, but we have regressed to a pathetic level. We arent even playing football. 5 St the back at Old Trafford! I would rather go down with a fight.
@ united with 5 at the back at, at home🤐
Wisdom is chasing you but you are faster
What we learned today and some thing we already know is we need to BUY in the January transfer window .
Number 1 is we need a striker who is a goal machine no matter the cost
Number 2 we need a left back with pace and strength
Number 3 We need a box to box midfielder to play along side Ugarte A player with a real engine
If we can do this we might at least steady the ship as they say . But something has to be done because at the moment we are on a slide to the Championship
MUFC can’t spend in January. FFF and cash strapped. No one is coming in maybe a loan.
This team is gonna get us relegated.
Bring back ten hag
No we won't, but it might be close.
I hope we go down. We need a full reset
@@fromthestretfordend7110 We would go into administration probably no way back
@@StevenA76United would never go into administration...got a billion supporters worldwide....but the Glazers can pack their bags.
What a beautiful time to be alive. You deserve every moment of this after the arrogance of the 90s/00s and even the many years post-Fergie when you had absolutely no right.
Were worse now than before. I couldnt pick a 3-4-3 team that looked ok
So glad of this result sad to say this as a United fan, at least now most of the fans now know it’s not about team selection when we don’t even have a good squad
It’s time to consider a genuine relegation battle. They are going from bad to worse, I don’t see us picking up anywhere near enough points to stay out of it.
Amorim has started this open heart surgery that no other managers could… gonna be a long recovery but we will get there 🤞🏼💪🏼💪🏼
The first thing that the managerial level people need to admit that our squad is not enough, we spent tons of money to build a football academy and retirement home with the first team squad.
Almost every transfers in the past decade are could fit in one of this categories: past their prime, has potential in the future but not ready yet, doesn't suit the system.
And right, cut the transfer budget and blame it on the manager will always solve the problem. ffs
At least it's a good retirement home. The one part where United got it right. Need to sign more expensive aging stars to retire here.
40 pts is a long long way from where we are. Can't believe I'm saying this in 2024.
I mean it's a tough moment because Amorin had instituted a completely new formation (without the necessary players to implement this unique setup) & with ZERO time to train. It's a lose/lose & the effect of keeping Ten Hag after last season. If Amorim has a summer transfer window & some time to train up the players on the system, then it would probably be somewhat better now. So now, replacing ten hag when they did, & then bringing in someone who plays a COMPLETELY different system, this was always going to be the result. All you can do is wait out this tough period, fight relegation, & then look for some improvement next season.
Thats wat im saying and i defo think ineos made the most stupidest decision doing this. Sacking ten haag was fine, but shouldve kept Van Nistelrooy as his tactics wouldve fit this side. Then gotten amorim in the summer
@ exactly! Amorin should have said, I will come in summer. I have to finish season with Porto bc we are doing so well. He placed himself in an unwinnable situation.
@@ArthurPhillip7 you mean Sporting
@ yea sorry!!
Don’t even want to think about Sunday vs Liverpool at Anfield. That would be even harder because we used to dominate them in the league until Klopp came in and we already lost to them earlier in the season at Old Trafford.
We will beat Liverpool
Relegation battle looming Sam lad
The mere facts that we start off the transfer season knowing which players should be out but then when the going gets tough we turn on the he managers is insane. Any serious club wouldn't be having some players like shaw, eriksson, lindelof, rashford etc at the club. We are a joke
I came with my dad all the way from Serbia to watch the game. There was no concept, no movement, no energy. Casemiro is finished, as is Eriksen.
But the worst part, the unexplainable part, was actually FANS APPLAUDING THE TEAM AFTER THE GAME! We were like, WTF? It was horrific. What are you applauding? Fans seem to be sooo soft. I can't help but think my team became a global business, nothing more.
Your part of the problem, that's why old Trafford will never be empty cos of tourist fans
@@simoncampbell3144oh stop blaming tourist fans all the time
Let’s be real it would never be an empty stadium because even the ultras or season ticket owners would still go to the games
Purely because it’s too expensive to miss anyway
And I know this as I used to have a season ticket for Utd games. An empty stadium I just can’t see happening so stop blaming tourist fans because I bet if there was a good seat to watch a Utd game you would snap my hand of to get that opportunity…
@VirkStar321 not a chance , I've given up mine now
Feel bad for you pal! You should be spending no money whatsoever until the players required are here! Those high intensity players that can sprint for 90 minutes! These are bunch of cowboys!
@@simoncampbell3144 i'm a united fan for 26 years, so wrong address.
We're inadequate in so many areas of the pitch. Martinez just can't cope. Our midfield are awful. And up front? Jeez... We're toothless.
Why Ganacho didnt start or rashford .Ganacho was our leading goal scorer now he cant start smh
I’m telling you Garnacho and Rash currently are our best attackers. The guy needs to stop being stubborn it’s costing the team.
I thought our defence was meant to keep clean sheets and not our attack 🤔
The players want Amorim out...
Why are people acting so disappointed?
Nobody thought we'd win this game, so why is it such a surprise?
We're not expected to beat Liverpool, but i bet everybody responds with disappointment as if they expected a different outcome.
What can Amorim change?
Simple answer is to give him transfer windows.
He's not had one yet.
He inherited this team, but I'm sure he already knows what action needs to be taken next.
The fact that people have written him off already is stupid.
We've known for years it's the players, not the manager/head coach, to blame for the poor results.
There’s ways of losing football matches though. First 30 minutes was total domination.
Anyone that still thinks the managers are the problem are totally brainless...therefore their opinions are irrelevant....player power culuture has destroyed the club. Got the highest wage bill but play worst football...speaks volumes. Players do what they like and are a bunch of bluffers.
7 Points from relegation. Says it all really.
Mazroui has had 2 difficult games, letting those crosses through was disaster with the fact that we low on confidence whenever the ball comes in the box
I don't know how are we going to go to anfield and even make a pass they are going to rip us apart I'm crying right now that Liverpool are next😢😢
Why does anyone think it will change with the SAME players and worse than that trying to learn a new system with no time for training?
How many times people going to keep saying the same thing.
😴
Colyer and Mainoo would have done better than Casemiro and Eriksen
Don’t think so
Maybe looking to our academy is the answer right now, we might not have a class of 92 coming through but at least some of these young guys will fight for the badge unlike the gutless wonders we currently have playing in the first team.
TEN HAG WON 2 TROPHIES WITH THIS SQUAD
Exactly
@@richyclubsport5155wow
People will not acknowledge this but YES he did and he was forced (before big jimmy waltzed in) to play pric& Rashford. so laugh all ya want...but he's got those 2 trophies F A C T
Yeah The Squad he built?
Yes but not 343
We need to bring in some of our academy players
Casemiro decision making was awful. I feel as though he didn't want the ball because he was to indecisive. Everyone was low in confidence and goodness gracious why did we loose the ball so much. The passing accuracy was nothing to write home about. smh
It just looks like the players don’t believe in the system or the manager, we’re down and out and it really does look bad for United for the medium term
I didn't bother watching it cos we are so easy to predict.
I thought you weren't doing another video this week😂😂😂
Basic football seems to be foreign to these players...crossing to amad while he is being marked with dan burn??? Seriously dalot ignoring runs opting for an inside pass, we are complicating football fr😔
Wait a minute....we could have easily got two goals I'm the second half.
Another season wasted,let's hope we don't get relegated.Almost everyone thinks that ain't going to happen...well some time ago people didn't believe in Leicester winning the league
Playing 5 defenders in this league is just asking to be dominated.
Name one dominant team in the pl that plays with 5 atb. The only one in recent history is Conte's Chelsea (who had a winger playing @ wb btw,) but even they weren't dominating games - they were compact and relied on transitions.
In our best game this season this guy had a winger at wb; had a false 9, a runner, and a creator as his front three; and had workhorse and a tempo setter in midfield.
All those profiles are still available to us now - even in today's game.
He spent his entire press conference speaking about the negatives (as opposed to improving on something that worked) after that match and we've been worse ever since.
Finally, I have been crying for Amorim to realise he hit the bullseye in his first few games where he kept Maz and Dalot inside and used actually winger wide, defend with attacking threat, make the opposition keep thinking of threat behind. 5 defenders who aren't even coached to defend is just self sabotage, especially with Eriksen- Casimero in front the defence.
This is relegation form confirmed. Tragedy 😭
The team selection against Liverpool should be defensive approach.
The team should be: Onana, Yoro/Maguire, DeLigt/Evans, Martinez, Malacia, Casemiro, Ugarte, Mainoo/Bruno, Mazraoui, Amad, Hojlund.
Subs: Bayindir, Yoro, Evans, Dalot, Amass, Eriksen, Colliyer, Gernacho, Zirkzee Rashford & Antony
We expecting not to lose as long as we apply ourselves & shut up shop.
We're already 17 point down from where we should be cos we already have the players to choose from!
United ruined Christmas
United ruined new years
Guys what’s the next big holiday?
The problem in Manchester United is not the coaching staff and how the club is managed, it is the players who are the biggest problem. We need players fast and soon as possible we also need to make a profit from them players . It's a damn very hard job, but it has to be done if we want United to become the best club in England and the world
Lets hope that Ten Hag gets back…😢
I seriously miss him.
anorim must be now thinking what am I doing here.
I’m expecting a minimum of 20 league defeats and honestly the club deserves to go down, it will be a blessing actually, it’s the reset we need because I’m not seeing any urgency to change our fortunes the way Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal have shown. Get relegated and weed out the overpaid and underperforming mediocrity and play the academy plus some smart purchases of players who want to fight for the badge. Build a winning mentality against weaker opposition and win the championship. Clubs in the toilet right now.
What makes you think they'll win the championship??
Amorim needs a full squad clearance except for amad, mazoroui,ugarte , yoro ,Mainoo, garnacho and de ligt , houijlund , zirkzee
I keep asking this question. We did we sack ETH?
Everyone saying that players are the problem. But if that is the case only. why did we sack ETH.
Because Amorim system will never work in epl. Mark my words
Ten hag gave his heart and soul. They say ten hag bought these players lol no big player will come to United. He bought what he could get. Not his fault.
Cause it's ETH players? Mediocre players
@@liberty2200Ten Hag gave us Mason Mount and Antony. He played Antony above Amad. Heart and soul lol
@ he had trust in his players. Nothing wrong with that.
@@TS-dr2gc Even Amad is now playing below average for the past 2 games. He was sub off against wolf
5 at the back at Old Trafford. Never thought I'd see the day.
Need to play the youth players drop these players
Mates! Please voice out for us to give the Academy players chance to play.
With the way they boo’d Zirkzee? The fans have zero tolerance RN.
We didn't win the league for 26 years before we won the Prem league. Liverpool didn't win it for 30 years. We dont have a god given right to win it because we are united. That attitude has got us to where we are now. We need to experience the pain, reset and come back. This season, I hope Forest do a Leicester 🤞and we do a Chelsea next season (by all of a sudden start challenging)... I also expect us to be on the end of another 5+ hiding on Sunday, but I will still watch it no matter what.... UTID ❤
For the first time, which is amazing considering all the lows we have had since 2013, I’m staying away from watching games, i’m finished. It’s too mich supporting this team
We made a mistake from selling our goalie to selling greenwood
Not like De Gea is still great
@Internet_God onana and dea who is better? Onana can't stop a direct ball to save is life
@@mrgroovitivede gea was terrible with high balls and had jelly feet..he is not any better...if he is so good, he wouldnt be out of job for 1 whole season and wouldnt even lose his national team spot
Dude, Onana is terrible @@Internet_God
Atleast we didn't concede from a corner😂. As Amourim said, "the storm will come"
Once again no surprise.
This is just an opinion/observation, Ruben in this context knows best. The 4 in this 3-4-2-1 needs to stay compact and that the RWB and LWB cannot and should not be a "winger". Contradicting but when they start this overlapping runs they already expose the huge midfield spaces and forced the RCB and LCB to cover this spaces.
Now to not let that happen they expect the two central guys to cover and when that happens teams with brilliant passing ability are capable to switch to the other side forcing the whole 3-2 (Def-Mid) to shift the other side and backwards. Eventually disrupting the shape.
With our players not really understanding this formation yet and not knowing which zones are for which player they get a bit too deep to cover and again expose the cut back opportunities which is also a killer considering how poorly we did against these situations.
Also when the LWB and RWB are covering the opponents winger the two CAM's then tend be too close when shifting which eventually causes us not to have enough players when we counter. I am not too critical about the 2-1 (CAM-ST) but it helps when they come back to defend but in this case just stay there to standby (to receive the ball) for counters.
I might be wrong and as I've mentioned, Ruben knows better about this formation than me a lowly fan who only supports and not know anything but also I have hope that it will eventually work (how many times have I convinced myself).
Suprising but not so surprising how Liverpool managed to do well in a basic 4-2-3-1 formation. Having players like Luis Diaz a maniac in high pressure, Salah a clinical finisher, Gakpo who have been cutting on his right and shoots as well as their three man V16 Hemi midfielders Mac Alis, Szozy boy and Gravy. How they press get the ball quickly get it foward and take their chances to shoot and restart. Simple and direct. I guess we need to do well in our transitions and get to the opponents box quicker like they do. We'll see this coming game.
Too lengthy I know but I wanted to type it out so that it's emptied in my brain. Now I have space for reconciliation with my brain after this turmoil.
Apart from the bad players can we talk about the worst Amorim performance? He started Zirkzee infront of Garnacho,Rashford,Antony,Mainoo , zirkzee the guy who is by far our worst attacker. He starts Eriksen Casemiro, man if you watched United at all in those 3 years you would know that this duo cannot be allowed to be played together. Then he continues with no changes in our attack and we are 2-0 down. At the last 10 minutes with 2 players left to sub he snabs Rashford brings only Antony and Hojlund was gasping for air. If you are here to win do it at all cost, you don't like Rashford for whatever reason fine but be realistic about your options. We conceded 2 goals from crosses over Martinez, and he switched him at 60 minute. Today was all on Amorim, cause we are all aware about how bad these players are and what they can do but today he acted like he was his first time seeing them
But ETH was the problem is 😂😂
bro he only been at the clubs for a month
@@Igneelx man i don't say the downfall of the club it's his fault, but this game, Being here for one month does not change the fact that he should have known eriksen and case don't go together
@@Igneelx a month is enough to know he is using players in wrong roles and position, a month is enough to know Eriksen and Casimero together is kamikaze, a month is enough to know wide position worked best when he used wingers. A month is enough to know all this especially when he picked the players in right roles in his first couple of games where he used Maz and Dalot inside the pitch and used wingers wide, and the attacking threat helped keep opposition from relentlessly pressing the middle in fear of possible counters. His present setups have been absolutely toothless trying to play from the middle with geriatrics instead of trying Collyer out.
His selection in this match was poor. Zirkzee and Erikssen.
Has anyone else noticed how we seem to be conceding more goals and playing very slowly, since Maguire has been getting more minutes?
What’s the point of forcing a 352/ 343 without having the players to fill in key positions in that formation? These last three matches are easily some of the worst ever united matches I’ve seen. Amorim should’ve transferred slower to his formation after bringing in the players to play those positions. This is just suicide with the best players not being able to play in their best position. The team was already wonky, they needed stability, not all learning a new position in a new formation.
Nah, stop that. Our problems are deeper than the formation the manager uses. That is the reality of it, before Amorim, before ETH, heck even before Ole. Our culture an dressing room sucks, we need a reset.
Important to note: players are not machines. They get tired, and they need rotation. It does not make sense to play Mainoo if he is not fit, especially considering that you will have a much harder game a few days later that will require a dynamic midfield.
Mainoo was our BEST player put respect on that kid who saved us from embarrassment like he did Fa cup final. When Barca or Madrid take him fans will regret dissing him👎
Literally
You fans forget quickly, he was there against Wolves, he was bang mid.
@@baloguntaiwo5095 ok? He is s young player cant be expecting him to be playing 8/10 every game
@ like ur bf Bruno who got sent off what is a 19 year old meant to put the team on his back after that u got NO football iQ get out of here
@@iopne4025 keep pampering. Yamal is equally young. There are a lot of young players delivering week in-out. Keep deluding yourself.
Absolutely a hundred percent right.. Amorim not fit wearing the shirt.. please watch the 4 games we played under Van Nistelrooy and how Utd are playing now you will understand.. so if he sells a few players in January to me he is still ruining the club..
This has to be biggest downgrade in history.
Amorim has been setup to fail by Berrada unless they can bring in some players in January
We are desperately missing wing play high up the pitch. The wingback system simply isn't working. It doesn't suit our squad, or the United attacking way of playing.
I think Amorim is a good manager, and I'll be patient. But right now it's very hard to see how this formation is going to work in the prem. I feel sorry for the strikers in particular, very few quality chances created for them.
We mis ten Hag. A man with Footbal know how to
Exactly, with this type of set up you expect the wing backs to put in a lot of crosses but ours don't manage to put in more than 3 crosses the whole game. Our wing backs are practically defenders so we play 5 defenders
@@liberty2200no with ten hag I saw United as a headless chicken at least with Amorim I can see a future, a very distant future
Dalot is a major detriment to this team A LWB has to be the priority this transfer window
@ he is the main reason this season we fired ten hag.