How To Sidechain Kick And Bass Like A NINJA 🥷
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2023
- Here's how to mix kick and bass/808 with surgical sidechain ducking! Multiband sidechaining is a ninja technique for locking in in your low end, without obvious pumping caused by regular sidechain compression.
Plugin used in the video: ShaperBox 3's VolumeShaper
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Shaperbox is such a lifesaver
Kickstart
@@RedHunterOfficial Nah mate this is Shaperbox not kickstart.
I dont have it 😢
Doable in your native daw. At least flp
@@marcelszekowski315It's pretty cheap
That loop is CRAZY 🔥
is a splice sample, THE_KOUNT_81_drum_loop_handdrum_upbeat
The “extreme pumping” actually sounded pretty good
Agreed! In fact, I used the same bass but with obvious pumping for a B section later on :)
I like pumping sometimes. Sometimes not
This is a really good tip. He gives us better tips in a minute than almost every 20 minute explanation I've ever watched. Love shaper box. Game changer for me.
I like when the bass have that stutter effect, so i'll keep doin the old fashion way, it's not like anyone other than me like the shit i make anyway
bro your a legend. not only you buy the plugins but get life time advice in how to take your music game to levels beyond. keep up the great work champ. legendary
You’re convincing me day by day that I need to upgrade to shaperbox 3 man…
Kickstart 2 is good, and it's only $15
Again such a sick beat 🔥
my first thought too. so hard
I don't use Shaperbox, but have been doing this for a long time if I don't want obvious 'pump'. There are many ways to accomplish this & it can be applied to anywhere in the frequency range on any elements that are conflicting.. done subtlety, the whole song gently pumps too 😎
Exactly.
That snippet of the beat is sooooo good 🔥
I've been doing this with Peak Controller and an EQ in Fl Studios for years. Same technique, never found a more flexible one.
That‘s amazing being able to sidechain only certain frequencies
In Ableton you have an EQ built into your compressor exactly for this kind of stuff
@Meminjo thats not the same thing as this. Thats a detection EQ where as this is only compressing the lows.
@@JamieSolan you can easily build a dry/wet rack, apply LP to the Wet and Sidechain afterwards.
@@nicorentzsch9946is there a video you like that explains this?
@@JamieSolan i purposefully spread misinformation online
Katana Kick cutting through the Samurai Bass, alright 👌🥳
DUDE! I’ve been looking for this exact technique for weeks to understand how my favorite producers have kicks and basses that don’t clash but aren’t pumping. Thanks for sharing as always! 🙏
This was already possible, but Shaperbox makes it sooo much easier
Trackspacer
Trackspacer is dope, works well alongside Shaperbox
I find shaperbox to be cleaner than trackspacer
Lol you realise there are 100s of apps for this including those native to your daw
@@Reggi_Sample Of course, I'd dare say that most DAWs have native plugins that cover 80-90% of what's commercially available. People often buy plugins not for core functionality but for usability and flavour, and Shaperbox is no exception for me. The interface permits a very unified way to get several time-based effects happening in tandem, and I find it much more conducive to creative production than my native automation tools.
This is one of my favorite features of shaperbox
haven't tried shaperbox but it looks convenient. can achieve a similar affect with sidechain eq/ multiband compression. I saw some ppl asking how to use the low end as the trigger,, if your eq/comp dont have an internal sidechain filter, you can make a send for your drum loop and low-pass to isolate the kick as your side signal
bro wtf are those drums 🤦♂️🔥🔥🔥
Sounds like a drum loop from splice made by the kount.
We’ve been spending our crazy hours learning mixing, twisting knobs and has this belief analog plugins are the secret. However after a decade, i just realized that all the process before mixing is the one that really makes the 90% of the song good.
This video for example, this is not mixing, rather, sound designing. We should tailor our sounds already like we don’t need mixing. The choice of eliminating dozens of sounds or deciding when theyll play together rather than EQ masking a ton of them, this is also not mixing but its arrangement.
Thank you cable guy 🙏
You're welcome! 👍
The pumping actually sounds fire
This is such a great tip!
That beat hard af
Thats hard🔥...minus the tip that actually goes hard...love to hear the full beat
using subwoofers will always result in better mixing for low-end in my experience, when I use headphone, the kick sometimes just too loud when playing on a subs, or it's just my preference😊.
I love shaper box ,I've started using it more and more now! Very versatile!
That's awesome. Enjoy!
Dude, I was searching for vst effect like this, I do it manually everytime. So much time savier ;)
Shaper box is such a useful tool
That is fascinating.
shaperbox compressor is my go to sidechain plugin because it has Hold option which is cool and this freqeuncy band setting
ShaperBox is so Powerful!
That's actually work! Thanks cableguys❤
You're very welcome!
Love the drums loop 😊
Sounds so good ......
I like the pump. But that is a great tip if the bass flow is more appropriate.
Thanks a lot man💚
No problem at all! 👍
brilliant tip !
Sidechain it's the key!
Yeah I need to get this plugin
You can do this for free with TDR Nova or any dynamic EQ plugin.
Sidechaine is goated
First time I have seen this technique for enhanced ducking. Certainly never seen the feature on any of my plug ins.
So nice 🎉
Dang this is really nice
Thanks!
People love this pumping effect because is great to be honest ..makes it more exciting basically ... But I think its more exciting making a better arrangement decision because you still can get a nice and punchy relationship between those two elements without having to obligate the bass go down when kick hits. Wha I hear is basically it gave the bass the grove that was missing , something that could be done from the beginning. Sidechain has became the easy way to not bother producing and go straight to mixing. Lets face it we all want that subs down there shaking the entire building but also the kick breaking the basement ..but nobody wants to sit ,analyze and create . Just keep throwing beats and loops everywhere ...we fix it in the mix mentality.
Invisible sidechaining aka multiband sidechaining which can be done with the multiband compressor built into Ableton for anyone without shaperbox
the breaking bad x regular show crossover is crazy
Super Tip!
Fire track too
You the best
I usually do this manually on grossbeat then turning the fx down to 75%😭 those are some nice features
I send the drums to an aux, then hpf, then use that aux as a trigger for a low shelf dynamic band on the bass
You duck your bass with the whole hpf signal from the aux drums ? Why do you prefer to trigger you bass low shelf with with a bassless signal ?
Awesome😊
Brilliant
Shaper is a great lfo tool
There's lots of words there that I didn't understand, but it sounded great! 😁
Thanks 😆
Noice!
So, now i have to try that with a bunch of Hardware EQ and Comp 😂
Idk idve kept that ducking sounded good
You can also just make the shape actually fit the kick and buy yourself a snappier kick transient in the process.
back in the days edm producers used to talk about SIDECHAIN-COMPRESSON as some alien shit.
That's true - it's a lot more common and understood today!🛸👽
nice
Fire
is this from a longer video? I would like to see how you select the kick as the trigger
When I started making music like 20 ago, I could not understand why there was not a way to specifically side chain a certain frequency band. Only the whole thing. Then, years later things like Fabfilter and Waves F6 came out where I was finally able to do exactly that.
i do exactly the same with multiband compressor
Track sounds elite. Where can I find it
Dope
🔥🔥🔥
Or use souds that fit each other and a eq
Is there an easy way to adjust the input signal of the drum break so that just the kick would trigger the sidechain with shaperbox, or is it only possible with ableton‘s gate and other workaround’s? Thanks!
I was wondering about how this band splitting feature handle the phase, are the crossovers linear?
How would this work in with using MB compression at the same time on your ducking like I've seen many producers use before (combo of volume/mb compression)?
Now to figure out how to do this in Caustic 🤔
I saw you were at 999 likes, so I made it 1K 🎉
You rock! 👊
Sometimes I low pass wavesfactory trackspacer to do this same thing
What tool do you recommend for someone who's starting off their music production journey? Thanks
You can do this with a free plugin called TDR Nova
I do like this method.. but then I like trackspacer for this
HOLY SHIT
i've always wanted to know is the cross-over filter linear phase ? if not wouldn't it cause phase issue if only the bottom is processed ?
Linear-phase crossovers would add a LOT of latency, high CPU usage, and pre-ringing side effects (particularly in the bass range). Since there are 9 Shapers, and each one is multiband, these issues would quickly stack up and become unmanageable!
With the existing 6dB crossover, the output nulls completely with the input when there’s no processing applied (ie, when the sidechain is at full level and not ducking). So if you want transparency, this is the option to use, and that’s why it’s the default in VolumeShaper.
Dan Worrall gives a good explanation in his ShaperBox 3 video. Here’s a timestamped link: ua-cam.com/video/FNdsl4q17Sk/v-deo.html
its also called EQ sidechaining you can do this by an EQ too
Why not just use opposing EQ boosts and cuts? For example, boost the kick before 60hz, and cut above. Then do the opposite on the bass for a mirrored span of frequencies.
oh damn fr
Is shaperbox similar to envelope follower? They results seem the same at least
You can do this in ableton by duplicating the bass and filtering the low end on one buss and then filtering the highs and mids on the other. Then just side chain the low end buss.
If you want to hear the track I used this on it’s “DECADANCE - Dead Poet Society”
You can do this in ableton using Shaper
or get something like trackspacer ^^
Can you show how to do this with stock plugins please?
You can use "multiband dynamics" on your bass in a chain group, and solo the different bands - applying sidechain compression only to the low band. You may get phase issues around the band separation frequencies as the stock multiband dynamics tool is not minimal / linear phase as far as I know
I will try that out, thank you
Just use the stock compressor and click sidechain:)
Do u think that skrillex use same kind of sidechain? , last house techno tunes sound crystal clear low end🔥
Where can I listen to the full beat?
How we doing this with stock ableton plugins (Live 10)
Fire beat 😮🧯What is it? And take my like 👍
Is this also dynamic eq?
is this possible with stock ableton?
does Shaperbox work in Reason 10?
is that possible to do that with a native Ableton sidechain compressor ?
Yes. Search sidechain kick/bass ableton and you will find many videos:)
Dammmmnnn 😳
that shit is awesome. what other plugs can i use to do this
i would guess that with some sort of messing around many multiband compressors could achieve a similar result. but it would probably be an arduous task to accomplish.
I guess i can do the same thing with lfo tools of xfer records?
How do you do this on LFO tool?
That shit sounds like if dunes a mixture of some black panther