How To Sidechain Kick And Bass Like A NINJA 🥷

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  • Опубліковано 15 лип 2023
  • Here's how to mix kick and bass/808 with surgical sidechain ducking! Multiband sidechaining is a ninja technique for locking in in your low end, without obvious pumping caused by regular sidechain compression.
    Plugin used in the video: ShaperBox 3's VolumeShaper
    Try or buy Cableguys ShaperBox: www.cableguys.com/shaperbox.html

КОМЕНТАРІ • 228

  • @fgrey-
    @fgrey- 10 місяців тому +513

    Shaperbox is such a lifesaver

    • @RedHunterOfficial
      @RedHunterOfficial 10 місяців тому +3

      Kickstart

    • @Ezerlate
      @Ezerlate 9 місяців тому +11

      @@RedHunterOfficial Nah mate this is Shaperbox not kickstart.

    • @marcelszekowski315
      @marcelszekowski315 9 місяців тому

      I dont have it 😢

    • @jeffh4581
      @jeffh4581 9 місяців тому +1

      Doable in your native daw. At least flp

    • @HAZARDOUS88
      @HAZARDOUS88 9 місяців тому

      ​@@marcelszekowski315It's pretty cheap

  • @Terminalbeats
    @Terminalbeats 10 місяців тому +323

    That loop is CRAZY 🔥

    • @silvio2462
      @silvio2462 10 місяців тому +25

      is a splice sample, THE_KOUNT_81_drum_loop_handdrum_upbeat

  • @mauhu
    @mauhu 9 місяців тому +121

    The “extreme pumping” actually sounded pretty good

    • @Cableguys
      @Cableguys  9 місяців тому +34

      Agreed! In fact, I used the same bass but with obvious pumping for a B section later on :)

    • @aako-dd1ly
      @aako-dd1ly Місяць тому

      I like pumping sometimes. Sometimes not

  • @scottwilson8978
    @scottwilson8978 8 місяців тому +33

    This is a really good tip. He gives us better tips in a minute than almost every 20 minute explanation I've ever watched. Love shaper box. Game changer for me.

  • @ClementBaudoin
    @ClementBaudoin 9 місяців тому +16

    I like when the bass have that stutter effect, so i'll keep doin the old fashion way, it's not like anyone other than me like the shit i make anyway

  • @HarryDeeProductions
    @HarryDeeProductions 9 місяців тому +4

    bro your a legend. not only you buy the plugins but get life time advice in how to take your music game to levels beyond. keep up the great work champ. legendary

  • @tundramusicproduction
    @tundramusicproduction 10 місяців тому +21

    You’re convincing me day by day that I need to upgrade to shaperbox 3 man…

    • @bencawood
      @bencawood 10 місяців тому +2

      Kickstart 2 is good, and it's only $15

  • @nautika5771
    @nautika5771 10 місяців тому +61

    Again such a sick beat 🔥

  • @davemac1648
    @davemac1648 10 місяців тому +11

    I don't use Shaperbox, but have been doing this for a long time if I don't want obvious 'pump'. There are many ways to accomplish this & it can be applied to anywhere in the frequency range on any elements that are conflicting.. done subtlety, the whole song gently pumps too 😎

  • @BassLove91
    @BassLove91 6 місяців тому +7

    That snippet of the beat is sooooo good 🔥

  • @jackpepperpwb
    @jackpepperpwb 7 місяців тому +4

    I've been doing this with Peak Controller and an EQ in Fl Studios for years. Same technique, never found a more flexible one.

  • @grandhustle8711
    @grandhustle8711 10 місяців тому +47

    That‘s amazing being able to sidechain only certain frequencies

    • @Meminjo
      @Meminjo 10 місяців тому +8

      In Ableton you have an EQ built into your compressor exactly for this kind of stuff

    • @JamieSolan
      @JamieSolan 10 місяців тому +19

      ​@Meminjo thats not the same thing as this. Thats a detection EQ where as this is only compressing the lows.

    • @nicorentzsch9946
      @nicorentzsch9946 10 місяців тому +5

      @@JamieSolan you can easily build a dry/wet rack, apply LP to the Wet and Sidechain afterwards.

    • @gisellegisellegiselle
      @gisellegisellegiselle 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@nicorentzsch9946is there a video you like that explains this?

    • @Meminjo
      @Meminjo 10 місяців тому +7

      @@JamieSolan i purposefully spread misinformation online

  • @_TheViewer_
    @_TheViewer_ 10 місяців тому +29

    Katana Kick cutting through the Samurai Bass, alright 👌🥳

  • @bennguyen4409
    @bennguyen4409 2 місяці тому

    DUDE! I’ve been looking for this exact technique for weeks to understand how my favorite producers have kicks and basses that don’t clash but aren’t pumping. Thanks for sharing as always! 🙏

  • @sentinelav
    @sentinelav 10 місяців тому +7

    This was already possible, but Shaperbox makes it sooo much easier

    • @ELLIOT8209
      @ELLIOT8209 10 місяців тому

      Trackspacer

    • @sentinelav
      @sentinelav 10 місяців тому

      Trackspacer is dope, works well alongside Shaperbox

    • @JohnMichaelFord
      @JohnMichaelFord 10 місяців тому

      I find shaperbox to be cleaner than trackspacer

    • @Reggi_Sample
      @Reggi_Sample 7 місяців тому

      Lol you realise there are 100s of apps for this including those native to your daw

    • @sentinelav
      @sentinelav 7 місяців тому

      @@Reggi_Sample Of course, I'd dare say that most DAWs have native plugins that cover 80-90% of what's commercially available. People often buy plugins not for core functionality but for usability and flavour, and Shaperbox is no exception for me. The interface permits a very unified way to get several time-based effects happening in tandem, and I find it much more conducive to creative production than my native automation tools.

  • @EricBishard
    @EricBishard 6 місяців тому +1

    This is one of my favorite features of shaperbox

  • @bcrtrx
    @bcrtrx 8 місяців тому +2

    haven't tried shaperbox but it looks convenient. can achieve a similar affect with sidechain eq/ multiband compression. I saw some ppl asking how to use the low end as the trigger,, if your eq/comp dont have an internal sidechain filter, you can make a send for your drum loop and low-pass to isolate the kick as your side signal

  • @darkskinwhite
    @darkskinwhite 9 місяців тому +13

    bro wtf are those drums 🤦‍♂️🔥🔥🔥

    • @dglassb
      @dglassb 6 місяців тому +1

      Sounds like a drum loop from splice made by the kount.

  • @Blepherk
    @Blepherk Місяць тому

    We’ve been spending our crazy hours learning mixing, twisting knobs and has this belief analog plugins are the secret. However after a decade, i just realized that all the process before mixing is the one that really makes the 90% of the song good.
    This video for example, this is not mixing, rather, sound designing. We should tailor our sounds already like we don’t need mixing. The choice of eliminating dozens of sounds or deciding when theyll play together rather than EQ masking a ton of them, this is also not mixing but its arrangement.

  • @ajahncodar
    @ajahncodar 10 місяців тому +2

    Thank you cable guy 🙏

    • @Cableguys
      @Cableguys  10 місяців тому +2

      You're welcome! 👍

  • @bzwMomobzw7
    @bzwMomobzw7 9 місяців тому

    The pumping actually sounds fire

  • @IanSolano
    @IanSolano 10 місяців тому +4

    This is such a great tip!

  • @rikartsenz
    @rikartsenz 9 місяців тому

    That beat hard af

  • @hurricane9762
    @hurricane9762 20 годин тому

    Thats hard🔥...minus the tip that actually goes hard...love to hear the full beat

  • @nahh2114
    @nahh2114 8 місяців тому +1

    using subwoofers will always result in better mixing for low-end in my experience, when I use headphone, the kick sometimes just too loud when playing on a subs, or it's just my preference😊.

  • @adamarmstrong9408
    @adamarmstrong9408 9 місяців тому

    I love shaper box ,I've started using it more and more now! Very versatile!

    • @Cableguys
      @Cableguys  9 місяців тому

      That's awesome. Enjoy!

  • @SacRoScz
    @SacRoScz 6 місяців тому

    Dude, I was searching for vst effect like this, I do it manually everytime. So much time savier ;)

  • @remiab805
    @remiab805 8 місяців тому

    Shaper box is such a useful tool

  • @seveomusic
    @seveomusic 4 місяці тому

    That is fascinating.

  • @Nemouschinten
    @Nemouschinten 4 місяці тому

    shaperbox compressor is my go to sidechain plugin because it has Hold option which is cool and this freqeuncy band setting

  • @jettaboi2k
    @jettaboi2k 10 місяців тому

    ShaperBox is so Powerful!

  • @NotPro09
    @NotPro09 8 місяців тому

    That's actually work! Thanks cableguys❤

    • @Cableguys
      @Cableguys  8 місяців тому

      You're very welcome!

  • @awabmekkiz1261
    @awabmekkiz1261 10 місяців тому

    Love the drums loop 😊

  • @mr.justice3220
    @mr.justice3220 3 місяці тому

    Sounds so good ......

  • @rodnee2340
    @rodnee2340 8 місяців тому

    I like the pump. But that is a great tip if the bass flow is more appropriate.

  • @alanrossze2873
    @alanrossze2873 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks a lot man💚

    • @Cableguys
      @Cableguys  10 місяців тому +2

      No problem at all! 👍

  • @mystikrebel1089
    @mystikrebel1089 10 місяців тому

    brilliant tip !

  • @SummerTriangle
    @SummerTriangle 3 місяці тому

    Sidechain it's the key!

  • @ddeafner
    @ddeafner 10 місяців тому +2

    Yeah I need to get this plugin

    • @systemcheck2769
      @systemcheck2769 2 місяці тому

      You can do this for free with TDR Nova or any dynamic EQ plugin.

  • @Damlog
    @Damlog 6 місяців тому

    Sidechaine is goated

  • @davemedallion
    @davemedallion 3 місяці тому

    First time I have seen this technique for enhanced ducking. Certainly never seen the feature on any of my plug ins.

  • @Corleone01_
    @Corleone01_ 6 місяців тому

    So nice 🎉

  • @S.ARIF_2020
    @S.ARIF_2020 5 місяців тому

    Dang this is really nice

  • @AudioReplica2023
    @AudioReplica2023 5 місяців тому

    People love this pumping effect because is great to be honest ..makes it more exciting basically ... But I think its more exciting making a better arrangement decision because you still can get a nice and punchy relationship between those two elements without having to obligate the bass go down when kick hits. Wha I hear is basically it gave the bass the grove that was missing , something that could be done from the beginning. Sidechain has became the easy way to not bother producing and go straight to mixing. Lets face it we all want that subs down there shaking the entire building but also the kick breaking the basement ..but nobody wants to sit ,analyze and create . Just keep throwing beats and loops everywhere ...we fix it in the mix mentality.

  • @collinschepers6080
    @collinschepers6080 6 місяців тому

    Invisible sidechaining aka multiband sidechaining which can be done with the multiband compressor built into Ableton for anyone without shaperbox

  • @DSFtfghjfgf
    @DSFtfghjfgf 3 місяці тому

    the breaking bad x regular show crossover is crazy

  • @jamesrobinson529
    @jamesrobinson529 10 місяців тому

    Super Tip!

  • @coastmalone
    @coastmalone 10 місяців тому

    Fire track too

  • @induhgo_
    @induhgo_ 4 місяці тому

    You the best

  • @us7876
    @us7876 9 місяців тому

    I usually do this manually on grossbeat then turning the fx down to 75%😭 those are some nice features

  • @ChaceBonanno
    @ChaceBonanno 7 місяців тому

    I send the drums to an aux, then hpf, then use that aux as a trigger for a low shelf dynamic band on the bass

    • @lucaszecat
      @lucaszecat 6 місяців тому

      You duck your bass with the whole hpf signal from the aux drums ? Why do you prefer to trigger you bass low shelf with with a bassless signal ?

  • @sh-kw2ox
    @sh-kw2ox 10 місяців тому

    Awesome😊

  • @pineappleman570
    @pineappleman570 10 місяців тому

    Brilliant

  • @NoneDead21
    @NoneDead21 8 місяців тому

    Shaper is a great lfo tool

  • @Secretgeek2012
    @Secretgeek2012 7 місяців тому

    There's lots of words there that I didn't understand, but it sounded great! 😁

  • @StellarWorks2023
    @StellarWorks2023 8 місяців тому

    Noice!

  • @1lI1l1Il
    @1lI1l1Il 5 місяців тому

    So, now i have to try that with a bunch of Hardware EQ and Comp 😂

  • @GardensoftheAncientsHerbal
    @GardensoftheAncientsHerbal 6 місяців тому

    Idk idve kept that ducking sounded good

  • @launchpadmcquack98
    @launchpadmcquack98 6 місяців тому

    You can also just make the shape actually fit the kick and buy yourself a snappier kick transient in the process.

  • @AnnabelOphelia
    @AnnabelOphelia 6 днів тому

    back in the days edm producers used to talk about SIDECHAIN-COMPRESSON as some alien shit.

    • @Cableguys
      @Cableguys  5 днів тому

      That's true - it's a lot more common and understood today!🛸👽

  • @tijesunioyeyemi2296
    @tijesunioyeyemi2296 9 місяців тому

    nice

  • @SeouLifye
    @SeouLifye 10 місяців тому

    Fire

  • @KingDaveTV
    @KingDaveTV 9 місяців тому

    is this from a longer video? I would like to see how you select the kick as the trigger

  • @daanothoff
    @daanothoff 9 місяців тому

    When I started making music like 20 ago, I could not understand why there was not a way to specifically side chain a certain frequency band. Only the whole thing. Then, years later things like Fabfilter and Waves F6 came out where I was finally able to do exactly that.

  • @filippsik5258
    @filippsik5258 9 місяців тому

    i do exactly the same with multiband compressor

  • @Aryeh487
    @Aryeh487 10 місяців тому +1

    Track sounds elite. Where can I find it

  • @chuckjay
    @chuckjay 7 місяців тому

    Dope

  • @_cyrusdoom
    @_cyrusdoom 9 місяців тому

    🔥🔥🔥

  • @tontonder8271
    @tontonder8271 5 місяців тому

    Or use souds that fit each other and a eq

  • @Pablosko611
    @Pablosko611 3 місяці тому

    Is there an easy way to adjust the input signal of the drum break so that just the kick would trigger the sidechain with shaperbox, or is it only possible with ableton‘s gate and other workaround’s? Thanks!

  • @j-jack1365
    @j-jack1365 5 місяців тому

    I was wondering about how this band splitting feature handle the phase, are the crossovers linear?

  • @shpoopadoop
    @shpoopadoop 2 дні тому

    How would this work in with using MB compression at the same time on your ducking like I've seen many producers use before (combo of volume/mb compression)?

  • @Bleats_Sinodai
    @Bleats_Sinodai 5 місяців тому

    Now to figure out how to do this in Caustic 🤔

  • @PermissionToMeow
    @PermissionToMeow 10 місяців тому +5

    I saw you were at 999 likes, so I made it 1K 🎉

  • @norwardradtke1361
    @norwardradtke1361 5 місяців тому

    Sometimes I low pass wavesfactory trackspacer to do this same thing

  • @shreyasha9949
    @shreyasha9949 10 місяців тому

    What tool do you recommend for someone who's starting off their music production journey? Thanks

  • @patrickkeane4507
    @patrickkeane4507 7 місяців тому

    You can do this with a free plugin called TDR Nova

  • @eyeque7
    @eyeque7 10 місяців тому

    I do like this method.. but then I like trackspacer for this

  • @lemonsh
    @lemonsh 7 місяців тому

    HOLY SHIT

  • @HottestInTheStreetsNetOfficial
    @HottestInTheStreetsNetOfficial 10 місяців тому

    i've always wanted to know is the cross-over filter linear phase ? if not wouldn't it cause phase issue if only the bottom is processed ?

    • @Cableguys
      @Cableguys  10 місяців тому +2

      Linear-phase crossovers would add a LOT of latency, high CPU usage, and pre-ringing side effects (particularly in the bass range). Since there are 9 Shapers, and each one is multiband, these issues would quickly stack up and become unmanageable!
      With the existing 6dB crossover, the output nulls completely with the input when there’s no processing applied (ie, when the sidechain is at full level and not ducking). So if you want transparency, this is the option to use, and that’s why it’s the default in VolumeShaper.
      Dan Worrall gives a good explanation in his ShaperBox 3 video. Here’s a timestamped link: ua-cam.com/video/FNdsl4q17Sk/v-deo.html

  • @ColvenMusic
    @ColvenMusic 6 місяців тому

    its also called EQ sidechaining you can do this by an EQ too

  • @joshlambrightmi
    @joshlambrightmi 6 місяців тому

    Why not just use opposing EQ boosts and cuts? For example, boost the kick before 60hz, and cut above. Then do the opposite on the bass for a mirrored span of frequencies.

  • @r3stl3ss
    @r3stl3ss 6 місяців тому

    oh damn fr

  • @mr.dikkens
    @mr.dikkens 9 місяців тому

    Is shaperbox similar to envelope follower? They results seem the same at least

  • @dylanwynne-osullivan1720
    @dylanwynne-osullivan1720 10 місяців тому +2

    You can do this in ableton by duplicating the bass and filtering the low end on one buss and then filtering the highs and mids on the other. Then just side chain the low end buss.
    If you want to hear the track I used this on it’s “DECADANCE - Dead Poet Society”

    • @Reggi_Sample
      @Reggi_Sample 7 місяців тому

      You can do this in ableton using Shaper

  • @Zerbasst
    @Zerbasst 6 місяців тому

    or get something like trackspacer ^^

  • @watsedhaene
    @watsedhaene 9 місяців тому +1

    Can you show how to do this with stock plugins please?

    • @tommoynihan8718
      @tommoynihan8718 9 місяців тому +1

      You can use "multiband dynamics" on your bass in a chain group, and solo the different bands - applying sidechain compression only to the low band. You may get phase issues around the band separation frequencies as the stock multiband dynamics tool is not minimal / linear phase as far as I know

    • @watsedhaene
      @watsedhaene 9 місяців тому

      I will try that out, thank you

    • @slackjaw2008
      @slackjaw2008 7 місяців тому

      Just use the stock compressor and click sidechain:)

  • @santiagosoto8739
    @santiagosoto8739 7 місяців тому

    Do u think that skrillex use same kind of sidechain? , last house techno tunes sound crystal clear low end🔥

  • @sidp4987
    @sidp4987 9 місяців тому

    Where can I listen to the full beat?

  • @metabear333
    @metabear333 2 місяці тому

    How we doing this with stock ableton plugins (Live 10)

  • @altermore
    @altermore 7 місяців тому

    Fire beat 😮🧯What is it? And take my like 👍

  • @mannyvargas1747
    @mannyvargas1747 9 місяців тому

    Is this also dynamic eq?

  • @iambadd
    @iambadd 6 місяців тому

    is this possible with stock ableton?

  • @ctrainbeats
    @ctrainbeats 5 місяців тому

    does Shaperbox work in Reason 10?

  • @Colegram
    @Colegram 8 місяців тому

    is that possible to do that with a native Ableton sidechain compressor ?

    • @slackjaw2008
      @slackjaw2008 7 місяців тому

      Yes. Search sidechain kick/bass ableton and you will find many videos:)

  • @pedrobrocato1982
    @pedrobrocato1982 10 місяців тому

    Dammmmnnn 😳

  • @TheMuseap
    @TheMuseap 10 місяців тому

    that shit is awesome. what other plugs can i use to do this

    • @adisoncardoso
      @adisoncardoso 9 місяців тому

      i would guess that with some sort of messing around many multiband compressors could achieve a similar result. but it would probably be an arduous task to accomplish.

  • @xaviermorel6352
    @xaviermorel6352 6 місяців тому

    I guess i can do the same thing with lfo tools of xfer records?

  • @chriswuzhere91
    @chriswuzhere91 10 місяців тому

    How do you do this on LFO tool?

  • @jamesalliance4471
    @jamesalliance4471 9 місяців тому

    That shit sounds like if dunes a mixture of some black panther