Superb Neil. I was a CNC turner for 25 years and used to turn the outside of the blades of these for model jet turbines. When I was first starting with Inventor I tried to model these and failed miserably. It was a joy to see you create one. I use Inventor every day at work but never use those surfacing tools. It was a real treat. Thanks. Jim
Hi Neil, Just read through the comments below. I don't think precise sizes or missing fillets was ever high on your list was it? You just showed us how it CAN be done and it's up to us how we refine it from there. Well done Sir ! . . . . Jim
@Chad Huffman "I appreciate the quick run through." So you're the type of person who fast-forwards through Netflix movies? No, you say? Well, why not? You miss a lot of information, sure, but at least you don't have to sit there for a stinking 1 and a half hours. Now look at all the time you've saved. Watched 4 movies in 15 minutes!
I am from the United Kingdom of Brexitville :D You man, you made my day! And what's even better, you just saved my semestral project for CAD course I am taking at my university :) Thank you very much !
Thank you sir. After that inventor not responding I remembered your video(Inventor is so slow). 5 years passed and still slow. Autodesk should face with that problem.
Thank you VERY much for doing this video! Thank you so much for the shout out too! Yeah that might not be the highest flowing impeller, it is more than enough to do what I want to do though! Thank you thank you thank you! I have to do a few calculations to get the right profile and shape and I'll show you when I'm done! :) YOU'RE THE BEST!
The blades of a functional impeller do not have this form. The concavity is reversed at the base. And therein lies the difficulty for CAD software. I don't know if fusion 360 can develop this surface.
Perfect video but now I wonder how I create a cover for this impeller because it has a 'weird' shape. So how do I make the cover so it fits perfectly with minimal air pockets
Hi Neil, whilst this is another way of creating a blade which is very interesting, is there not a way of optimising the shape for efficiency to a beginning point before aero simulation? I am guessing it is meant to be the turbine wheel rather than the compressor wheel.
Interesting video! How a car engine and other complex components are designed? With the same software? How all parts are put together if they are design by many different people? Crazy comment but it always pop up when watching similar videos😊
Interesting video, as always. A question, not a criticism: when you do the circular pattern, you pattern the central core 19 times 'on top of itself' so to speak. I wonder if this is why it takes so long to compute?
Its the only way to do it, can't pattern a thickened freeform. But Inventor is capable of dealing with this, it doesn't duplicate material 19 times on top of itself there, it's intelligent enough to know whats going on!
Fantastic video! I haven't had to work with freeform much in my current job so this was very interesting to see. By the way it is killing my OCD that you missed a fillet in the keyway! My boss would attack any drawing submitted like that with a bucket of red ink haha
@@Neil3D HAHA it's ok. It shows that you are human and even the best of us can make mistakes like that. Still a great tutorial using freeform. I will definitely be using some of these for practice. Look forward to seeing more videos and tips from you!
My complaint, and I've made it several times before and I'm sure you don't care, is that I absolutely refuse to click pause, then play, then pause again, then play again, now set the speed to 0.5, now set it back to Normal so I can hear the audio, now back to 0.5 again....endlessly. So by the time I'm done with all those shenanigans, I've spent 2 hours trying to learn something that you could have slowed down a little and explained in 30 minutes.
Would lofting 3 sketch's on the 3 planes work better than freeform? Thanks for all your vidoes they helped me through school and now in the work place. Also learned something new with the set current view as front. Wish i would of known about that 2 years ago!
I did consider doing it with loft, but the weird kink/fold at the top of the blade would have been a royal nightmare to do with loft... it would probably be doable with funky 3D sketches and trickery... but in the time it took to flop about with that you could just easy do it in freeform, and you get to see and play around with freeform possibilities which a lot of people are excited about, so yea that's pretty much why I went that way!
@@Neil3D i would guess a sweep (or a even a patch surface?) from 2 or 3 sketches to create a surface would work aswell. I guess you would be able to have a bit more accurate control of the shape. Also a little pet pieve of mine: why not use the hole command (with concentric function) for the center hole? it's one sketch less and i find it faster to make adjustments later.
i use solidworks 2017 on my pc and it runs very with the configuration i have. but on the same configuration when i use inventor 2017 it lags a lot..! its very disapointing...
Hey Neil, is it possible to reference raw material to a part? I want the BOM structure to list all raw materials in order to get an exact billet or metal sheet quantity
Hi Ricardo, Not sure I know what you're looking for but if it's totaling up parts. As you say " Billets " then yes that's standard for Inventor. If you want it to add all of the same material into a total ( as an example 2 inch pipe ) then Neil did a superb video on it about a year ago. Just search back for it. . . . Jim
Thank you for your help. That's sort of what I'm looking for but I also wanted to know if it's possible to include other raw materials in the BOM, like a part to be fabricated out of a metal block or a shaft out of a round bar
I know I am late but I got the same problem and the I myself solved it by just splitting the solid (solid 2) and then deleting the faces using the delete face command. Hope it helps. Peace.
Uhm... the vanes should be bent clockwise at the base. With this layout your rotor will generate an aerodynamic stall. But nice idea doing this with freeform. I designed mine with 3D scetches / surfaces. Gives you more control IMO but is way more time consuming.
I thought in industry, they design impellers using multiple curves and surface tool? (To give desired dimensions.) Freefrom is hard to model accurately? Such as this one: ua-cam.com/video/LJORcsXaKXY/v-deo.html
You did this totally wrong.. Most weired was when you did that circular pattern after combining those two solids. You should have done it before that.. In this way, you have actually created the entire body 19 times. 19 pieces of that base body exists there. And it's actually invisible cause its placed in the exact same plane and it has a circular shape
You might want to check these things first. I used a pattern body with a join variable, this indeed patterned the entire body 19 times on top of itself but it *joined* it which you can clearly see in the browser... resulted in still 1 solid body existing and it disregards the duplicated material, not 19 on top of each other, it's a perfectly legit and acceptable modelling workflow. I admire your confidence in outright telling me I'm totally wrong and not just implying or questioning, but no, sir you are.
You have the best inventor channel on youtube 💪
Superb Neil. I was a CNC turner for 25 years and used to turn the outside of the blades of these for model jet turbines. When I was first starting with Inventor I tried to model these and failed miserably. It was a joy to see you create one. I use Inventor every day at work but never use those surfacing tools. It was a real treat. Thanks. Jim
Hi Neil,
Just read through the comments below. I don't think precise sizes or missing fillets was ever high on your list was it? You just showed us how it CAN be done and it's up to us how we refine it from there. Well done Sir ! . . . . Jim
Excellent workflow! I appreciate the quick run through. I love seeing the different ways others go about modelling non-rudimentary parts. Cheers!
@Chad Huffman "I appreciate the quick run through." So you're the type of person who fast-forwards through Netflix movies? No, you say? Well, why not? You miss a lot of information, sure, but at least you don't have to sit there for a stinking 1 and a half hours. Now look at all the time you've saved. Watched 4 movies in 15 minutes!
@@thinkingmonkey8083 im pretty sure he meant that tfi doesnt drag on and is straight to the point
I am from the United Kingdom of Brexitville :D You man, you made my day! And what's even better, you just saved my semestral project for CAD course I am taking at my university :) Thank you very much !
Your vids on Inventor taught me how to make myself some 3d prints for my sim rig :) Thanks for that, mate!
Thank you sir.
After that inventor not responding I remembered your video(Inventor is so slow). 5 years passed and still slow. Autodesk should face with that problem.
Thank you VERY much for doing this video! Thank you so much for the shout out too! Yeah that might not be the highest flowing impeller, it is more than enough to do what I want to do though! Thank you thank you thank you! I have to do a few calculations to get the right profile and shape and I'll show you when I'm done! :) YOU'RE THE BEST!
Glad you're back doing tips and tricks.
Excellent work. Your tutorial are extremely useful
The blades of a functional impeller do not have this form. The concavity is reversed at the base. And therein lies the difficulty for CAD software. I don't know if fusion 360 can develop this surface.
Great, please keep doing this kind of videos
Perfect video but now I wonder how I create a cover for this impeller because it has a 'weird' shape. So how do I make the cover so it fits perfectly with minimal air pockets
Excellent video - helped me so much!!!!
You can use replace face to trim the blade instead of creating a surface for a split
That was so creative! I am playing with it for over an hour now!
Awsome vid, the Direct and ruled surface command did not work as intended so had to do an alternative method with extruding and cutting.
Wow...V.nice modeling process,mate!
Wow amazing man. Good job!
Very nice i will try this one
Hi Neil, whilst this is another way of creating a blade which is very interesting, is there not a way of optimising the shape for efficiency to a beginning point before aero simulation? I am guessing it is meant to be the turbine wheel rather than the compressor wheel.
Interesting video! How a car engine and other complex components are designed? With the same software? How all parts are put together if they are design by many different people? Crazy comment but it always pop up when watching similar videos😊
Interesting video, as always. A question, not a criticism: when you do the circular pattern, you pattern the central core 19 times 'on top of itself' so to speak. I wonder if this is why it takes so long to compute?
Its the only way to do it, can't pattern a thickened freeform. But Inventor is capable of dealing with this, it doesn't duplicate material 19 times on top of itself there, it's intelligent enough to know whats going on!
OK Neil, understood - Inventor is clearly cleverer than me - not difficult! Ian.
Very good video, I learned a lot!
Fantastic video! I haven't had to work with freeform much in my current job so this was very interesting to see. By the way it is killing my OCD that you missed a fillet in the keyway! My boss would attack any drawing submitted like that with a bucket of red ink haha
Thanks! Where did I miss a fillet?! 16:52 they're all done??
@@Neil3D just to the right of the green arrow a couple seconds after that time stamp. it is one of the lower corners of the keyway.
At the time stamp it is actually just to the left of the green arrow
@@kbowen2251 DAMMIT! Let's just pretend like it never happened.
@@Neil3D HAHA it's ok. It shows that you are human and even the best of us can make mistakes like that. Still a great tutorial using freeform. I will definitely be using some of these for practice. Look forward to seeing more videos and tips from you!
thanks
My complaint, and I've made it several times before and I'm sure you don't care, is that I absolutely refuse to click pause, then play, then pause again, then play again, now set the speed to 0.5, now set it back to Normal so I can hear the audio, now back to 0.5 again....endlessly. So by the time I'm done with all those shenanigans, I've spent 2 hours trying to learn something that you could have slowed down a little and explained in 30 minutes.
Would lofting 3 sketch's on the 3 planes work better than freeform? Thanks for all your vidoes they helped me through school and now in the work place. Also learned something new with the set current view as front. Wish i would of known about that 2 years ago!
I did consider doing it with loft, but the weird kink/fold at the top of the blade would have been a royal nightmare to do with loft... it would probably be doable with funky 3D sketches and trickery... but in the time it took to flop about with that you could just easy do it in freeform, and you get to see and play around with freeform possibilities which a lot of people are excited about, so yea that's pretty much why I went that way!
@@Neil3D i would guess a sweep (or a even a patch surface?) from 2 or 3 sketches to create a surface would work aswell. I guess you would be able to have a bit more accurate control of the shape. Also a little pet pieve of mine: why not use the hole command (with concentric function) for the center hole? it's one sketch less and i find it faster to make adjustments later.
great video
Hey Hi ,
Please make a detail vedio on Skelton Modeling In Inventor .
Its very helpful to us ..
😅
thank you so much❤
Just Awesome
I think an easier way of doing the blades is using three sketches, surfaceloft and split surface.
i use solidworks 2017 on my pc and it runs very with the configuration i have. but on the same configuration when i use inventor 2017 it lags a lot..! its very disapointing...
Hey Neil, is it possible to reference raw material to a part? I want the BOM structure to list all raw materials in order to get an exact billet or metal sheet quantity
Hi Ricardo, Not sure I know what you're looking for but if it's totaling up parts. As you say " Billets " then yes that's standard for Inventor. If you want it to add all of the same material into a total ( as an example 2 inch pipe ) then Neil did a superb video on it about a year ago. Just search back for it. . . . Jim
This one: ua-cam.com/video/lE3sIiojRVc/v-deo.html
Jim
Thank you for your help. That's sort of what I'm looking for but I also wanted to know if it's possible to include other raw materials in the BOM, like a part to be fabricated out of a metal block or a shaft out of a round bar
I think I'll have to design the raw material in a part file and then derive to the finished part. Again I appreciate your help.
I get "Edit parting line failed" when I try to do the split.
Same
I know I am late but I got the same problem and the I myself solved it by just splitting the solid (solid 2) and then deleting the faces using the delete face command. Hope it helps. Peace.
U r mega good:)
Inventor 2021 does NOT have surface extrusion at 06:14.....
'The United Kingdom of Brexitville' 😂
Uhm... the vanes should be bent clockwise at the base. With this layout your rotor will generate an aerodynamic stall. But nice idea doing this with freeform. I designed mine with 3D scetches / surfaces. Gives you more control IMO but is way more time consuming.
"United Kingdom of Brexit-Ville" 😂😂 Yeah me too mate 🤣
I couldnt spilt function to cut fin -_-
I thought in industry, they design impellers using multiple curves and surface tool? (To give desired dimensions.) Freefrom is hard to model accurately?
Such as this one: ua-cam.com/video/LJORcsXaKXY/v-deo.html
You are handsome and genius, do you have a propeller making video?
You missed a fillet on the key
I know, livid
Just found this video, if anyone sees this, I am having an issue extruding the first spline sketch
Nevermind, I figured it out
Couldn't you have avoided the fucking freeform feature?
You did this totally wrong.. Most weired was when you did that circular pattern after combining those two solids. You should have done it before that.. In this way, you have actually created the entire body 19 times. 19 pieces of that base body exists there. And it's actually invisible cause its placed in the exact same plane and it has a circular shape
You might want to check these things first. I used a pattern body with a join variable, this indeed patterned the entire body 19 times on top of itself but it *joined* it which you can clearly see in the browser... resulted in still 1 solid body existing and it disregards the duplicated material, not 19 on top of each other, it's a perfectly legit and acceptable modelling workflow. I admire your confidence in outright telling me I'm totally wrong and not just implying or questioning, but no, sir you are.
One muh-muh?
have the balls to design the same model without using the freeform feature..!
What??
It's just for a small 3D printing project, Chill mate.
I suppose you could loft between couple of splines if that'll make you feel better...
@@Neil3D HAHAHA