It is difficult to create the whip action if one holds the Raquet from mid of the handle. But for a volley whip action is not required/desirable. In case of volley it can be held slighly up to provide stability and benefit of hitting the desired spot more accurately. Moreover while holding the Raquet from bottom/end the whipping action is natural. Also there is a risk of wrist injury if some player keeps on doing whipping action while holding the Raquet higher.
Also, grip most with the little finger and progressively more lightly with each successive finger. The index finger should have the least amount of grip. This helps to give you a solid grip without tensing the arm. Same with a katana.
I would recommend to go to a lighter racquet if that is the case, additionally I think when staying loose the acceleration comes from the body and can be transferred to a heavier racquet
You mean tennis elbow? That happens when the forearms moves separately from the arm. If fully extended, the forearm should be rested against the rest of the arm. It's quite comfortable with minimal impact
et d'ailleurs il m'a je crois souvent semblé que surtout avoir le bras près du corps ( même plié) donnait plus de compacité au coup. il bénéficie plus de la traversée et ça aussi ça donne de la puissance. :)
I've always held my racket with the pinky hanging off. I never even realized until I played in college and everyone was confused why I had a callus in the middle of my palm (where the butt of the racket would sit). Thought I needed to fix it but guess not!
Lleyton hewitt was not the model of a powerful forehand though. Great timing, great redirection and clean ball striking, but not so much power relatively speaking.
@@MrZener11 Fernando González´s forehand is considered among the best ever. Nalbandian is the only player to have beaten the Big Three in the same tournament (Madrid 2007). Hewitt was No.1 for 80 weeks and two time GS winner. Not sure if all of them could be considered old school now.
aaah la mise à jour " moderne" que j'ai toujours eu la flemme de mettre à jour ! :)) alors oui tenir la raquette avec une partie la paume dehors" ça, ça va. mais le bras tendu ?? ah ben si aussi ! par contre, il me semble qu'il s'agit de déterminer le plan de frappe plus devant qu'avant donc , par rapport à la prise marteau (ou presque ) traditionnelle ...changer la prise ?? ça je ne sais pas trop.
Arm extension is based on your genetic predisposition. If you try to straighten it your swing speed will decrease. It’s impossible to control this consciously because the swing happens too fast. Also there’s plenty of pro players with amazing foreheads with a bent arm. Djokovic, Sinner etc.
arm extension based on genetics? what are you talking about? arm extension is only based on...having arms. Also, controlling extension consciously? of Course you can control things like this consciously, its why we use coaches and practice, so we can do it when we like.
@@Maegnas99 if you ask any professional player I can assure you they are not taught to straighten their arm during juniors. Considering 10% or less in the top 100 has this stylistic trait on the forehand. If it was the “best” it would be taught. Not even Mouratoglou himself has this trait.
@toonsoffun5733 now you're adding all kind of qualifiers to your ridiculous assertions. First you say speak to pros and then you reference incapable juniors. Speaking of pros yes djokovic has bend in his arm, but fed and nadal hit with straight armed forehands. Are you suggesting they can't control their swings? That it's too fast for them to choose it consciously? Finally, Patrick's personal technique is not very good. He doesn't follow his own instructions to juniors and has many (admitted) bad habits. Let's not use him as a reference to good technique shall we.
@@Maegnas99 Yes their strokes are automatic due to playing tens of thousands forehands. Could Djokovic hit with a straight arm he could? Sure so the question is what would be the consequences? He has to slow down to be able to straighten the arm at contact to override his natural technique. I won’t respond to you further.
At the very end he does mention that the extension does depend on the forehand grip so he does acknowledge the fact that not all players can straighten their arms fully at contact
He's not a physicist nor a mechanical engineer. He's confused between correlation and causation. There are many variables that affect the final impact force the racket has on the tennis ball. He's a good salesman, though. 😅
I don't understand why the arm needs to be fully extended to have maximum leverage. There are plenty of good forehands with bent arms. Nadal and Alcaraz don't entend their arms fully either.
Tennis physics:
The moment arm
It is difficult to create the whip action if one holds the Raquet from mid of the handle. But for a volley whip action is not required/desirable. In case of volley it can be held slighly up to provide stability and benefit of hitting the desired spot more accurately. Moreover while holding the Raquet from bottom/end the whipping action is natural. Also there is a risk of wrist injury if some player keeps on doing whipping action while holding the Raquet higher.
100% correct. However for volleys I move up my grip providing more stability.
Thank you for this video, I can't wait to put it into practice! 🫡
Also, grip most with the little finger and progressively more lightly with each successive finger. The index finger should have the least amount of grip. This helps to give you a solid grip without tensing the arm. Same with a katana.
For me : To hold the Racket as Patrick i gain more Control. If i want power i hold it larger
Holding at the end of the handle is only for light racquets or for athletic players, I ve noticed that I can’t accelerate well when holding like that
I would recommend to go to a lighter racquet if that is the case, additionally I think when staying loose the acceleration comes from the body and can be transferred to a heavier racquet
The lower you hold your racket the more demanding it is. That is simple physics.
Fully extended arm leads to a tennis arm. Even in the picture of rafa his arm is slightly bent.
Yes the elbow is slightly bent to give a whip effect and a n effortless forehand...
You mean tennis elbow? That happens when the forearms moves separately from the arm. If fully extended, the forearm should be rested against the rest of the arm. It's quite comfortable with minimal impact
et d'ailleurs il m'a je crois souvent semblé que surtout avoir le bras près du corps ( même plié) donnait plus de compacité au coup.
il bénéficie plus de la traversée et ça aussi ça donne de la puissance. :)
Kyrgios hits with bent arm, but generates massive power
He’s a big guy tho, the taller you are the more easy power you have due to long force curves. basically you can have the same power with less effort
I've always held my racket with the pinky hanging off. I never even realized until I played in college and everyone was confused why I had a callus in the middle of my palm (where the butt of the racket would sit).
Thought I needed to fix it but guess not!
That's a pretty debatable advice, even for very good players. And for sure not a general rule for average joe.
Thanks for this. I'm working on it. I have a habit of having my pointer finger upwards when hitting. I can't seem to stop
Fernando González, David Nalbandian and Lleyton Hewitt hold the racket like Patrick, so... I don't think you lose power by doing that.
Lleyton hewitt was not the model of a powerful forehand though. Great timing, great redirection and clean ball striking, but not so much power relatively speaking.
I guess they are old school now
@@MrZener11 Fernando González´s forehand is considered among the best ever. Nalbandian is the only player to have beaten the Big Three in the same tournament (Madrid 2007). Hewitt was No.1 for 80 weeks and two time GS winner. Not sure if all of them could be considered old school now.
super teacher
Thanks coah
Patrick what do you think about getting an extended length racket to help with more free power? I know Serena used one.
aaah la mise à jour " moderne" que j'ai toujours eu la flemme de mettre à jour ! :))
alors oui tenir la raquette avec une partie la paume dehors" ça, ça va.
mais le bras tendu ?? ah ben si aussi !
par contre, il me semble qu'il s'agit de déterminer le plan de frappe plus devant qu'avant donc , par rapport à la prise marteau (ou presque ) traditionnelle ...changer la prise ?? ça je ne sais pas trop.
Howabout using an extended length racquet?
That is the obvious question after watching this!
My challenge has been to get the right distance when the ball is coming to contact with the arm extended… any advice for it?
Try Pointing the ball with your non dominant arm, and make sure that you never NEVER NEVER stop watching the ball
bent arm or full extended, which has more power? Alcaraz is full but sinner is bent
Fully extended. Simple physics. Though from experience we know that the difference isnt too dramatic, especially now with power rackets on the market.
So glad I did a physics alevel 😂
It’s not for the momentum, it’s for loosing the wrist. If you want more momentum just buy michael chang racket
I hold higher up a little less than him but still high as it feels better on my arm and hand hot having to feel the butt end of the racket
might be better for you to get a lighter racquet and hold it lower
@@Maegnas99 i just dislike having the bottom of the racket in my hand it feels weird thank you for the advice though I really appreciate it :)
Arm extension is based on your genetic predisposition. If you try to straighten it your swing speed will decrease.
It’s impossible to control this consciously because the swing happens too fast. Also there’s plenty of pro players with amazing foreheads with a bent arm. Djokovic, Sinner etc.
arm extension based on genetics? what are you talking about? arm extension is only based on...having arms. Also, controlling extension consciously? of Course you can control things like this consciously, its why we use coaches and practice, so we can do it when we like.
@@Maegnas99 if you ask any professional player I can assure you they are not taught to straighten their arm during juniors. Considering 10% or less in the top 100 has this stylistic trait on the forehand.
If it was the “best” it would be taught. Not even Mouratoglou himself has this trait.
@toonsoffun5733 now you're adding all kind of qualifiers to your ridiculous assertions. First you say speak to pros and then you reference incapable juniors.
Speaking of pros yes djokovic has bend in his arm, but fed and nadal hit with straight armed forehands. Are you suggesting they can't control their swings? That it's too fast for them to choose it consciously?
Finally, Patrick's personal technique is not very good. He doesn't follow his own instructions to juniors and has many (admitted) bad habits. Let's not use him as a reference to good technique shall we.
@@Maegnas99 Yes their strokes are automatic due to playing tens of thousands forehands.
Could Djokovic hit with a straight arm he could? Sure so the question is what would be the consequences? He has to slow down to be able to straighten the arm at contact to override his natural technique.
I won’t respond to you further.
At the very end he does mention that the extension does depend on the forehand grip so he does acknowledge the fact that not all players can straighten their arms fully at contact
Here comes Jack Broudy…
Alcatraz doesn’t grip his racket at the bottom of the grip. He does have a straight arm though, which is unusual for a semi-western grip.
He's not a physicist nor a mechanical engineer. He's confused between correlation and causation. There are many variables that affect the final impact force the racket has on the tennis ball. He's a good salesman, though. 😅
Sinner: 😆
Do as I say, not as I do!!!
Not more power! More speed! Bad fisics!😅
But at least this "more speed" increases the elastic force and, accordingly, the speed of the ball😊
Bro does not know what he’s talking about, he even misspelled physics 💀
@@valeriygoloborodko1469 you are right - big misspelling!😄 but all the rest is good))
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I don't understand why the arm needs to be fully extended to have maximum leverage. There are plenty of good forehands with bent arms. Nadal and Alcaraz don't entend their arms fully either.
Alcaraz fully extends for sure. On the other hand, Sinner who has a super powerful forehand, does not extend.
Sooo... he plays incorrectly, and now wants to teach y'all the right way??