My Dad's side are from Español. My Mother's side are from Portuguese. Their great great great Parents were involved in the inquisition from both sides. They want nothing to do with Jewishism. I'm trying to keep The Judean religion practice with no one to help me. But, I thank you very much for this explanation. ❤ GOD BE WITH YOU
smh 1885 - The term “Zionism” was first coined by the Viennese writer, Nathan Birnbaum, a non religious Jewish nationalist. 1896: the Nationalist Zionist Movement was founded by Theodore Herzl, for establishing a Jewish homeland somewhere. It was a secular movement (Herzl was an atheist, his co-founder Max Nordau was agnostic). Places first considered: Uganda, Kenya, Cyprus, the Sinai, and Argentina. They asked the US for land in New Mexico/Arizona -the US said no! Palestine was considered. Zionist Chaim Weizmann (also an atheist) returned from there in the very early 20th century, he reported back "The bride is beautiful but she is married to another man" -meaning while the land looked good to settle, it was already occupied.
So what if they didn't believe in god. Nationalism is not religious based. It is a part of the History and culture of a nation but not the only value. Just like all the muslim countries (with crecnt or the shahada on their flags) or christians ones that are not only christians but have christian roots and strong christian history (and countries that have crosses on their flags or christian symboles) Theador Hertzel is only one man. He is considered the father but... just like politics today.. there are many people that work and many circamstances that impact the choices and the events of life.
If you have religious and maybe cultural ties to a land/area, that does not make you indigenous. It seems to me you are reinterpreting ‘indigenous’ to defend against the view that political Zionism is for a significant part settler colonialism. It also seems historical revisionism of the view of early Zionists who considered political Zionism as colonialism.
The ancestors of the Arabs palestinian came to palestina from syria lebanon Egypt and even from Libya yemen and saudi Arabia. The jews settled on land the was desolate and most empty. The jews dried the swamps and fight desess like malria after that many Arabs came to palestina to find work. You can see photos from the beginning of the 19th century and see how the land was empty. And you can read what people like Mark Twin wrote about the land how desolate and empty was the land. You can read the book (FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL) WROTE BY JOAN PETERS, when Joan peters started to wrote the book she was pro-palestinian she wrote the book 7 years and when she finished the book she became pro- israel.
And also palestina included jordan. Britain gave the eastern part of palestina to the Hashemite family from Saudi arabia for their help in first world war. That how the kingdom of jordan was created.
Early Zionists did not consider Zionism colonialism. They were packaging it as that when trying to sell those with power, i.e., European powers. on the idea of allowing a Jewish homeland.
Hi Rona, love the work you’re doing here. I’ve set up a group at my shul to practise discussing and explaining exactly this sort of material. Do you by chance have transcripts of your videos. Or can you recommend a good source for similar? Thanks
this is very well oresented. one essential poit should never be skipped even in brief presentation: zionism from its conception was trying to create a modern state based on the principles of the Elightment.
The jews are neither foreigners nor European. First of all most of the jews in israel today came to Israel from Arabs countries that came to Israel after they suffered from pogroms and Humiliation in the Arabs countries. Second thing most palestinian are Awho arrived to palestina from syria lebanon and Egypt even from Libya and yemen. Most of them are similar to the Syrians lebanese and Egyptian both genetically and culturally and language. There are something like 30% of palestinian, mainly in the southern area of Hebron and in the area of NAZARETH who did lived there and originally they from the jews that converted to Islam or become Christian. Onther thing among the Palestinian there are 30% from Saudi arabia. Third thing The Ashkenazi jews were also foreigners in East Europe. From genetic point they close to 50% from the middle East and the rest are mainly Italian and little Germany. They probably mixed with the Roman's and little mixed with German.
Enough with Arabs Muslim Colonialism. The Arabs Muslim conquered a lot of land and force the people that lived there to convert to Islam also the murdered many. The Arabs Muslim started with slavery and the Arabs Muslim was the most cruel to African black slave.
The ancestors of the Arabs palestinian came to palestina from syria lebanon Egypt and also from Libya yemen and saudi arabia. Second the jews settled on land that was desolate and most of was empty. Look at photos from the beginning of the 19th century and see who empty was the land. Read what people like Mark Twin wrote about the land how empty was the land. Also you can read the book (FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL) WROTE BY JOAN PETERS. When she began to wrote the book the was supprted of the Palestinian, she wrote the book 7 years and when she finished the book she changed her mind in 180 degrees and became pro- israel .
Not very accurate! Cyrus allowed Jews to go back . But only 2 of the 12 tribes returned. So Jews never saw Canaan as their homeland, neither when Muslims conquered in 7th century neither when the Ottomans conquered Jerusalem. Jews are basically business people and goes where business are
In diaspora every year the jews say next year in Jerusalem. In diaspora the jews was very poor and in that time it was difficult to do back to Israel. There was few religious jews that came bake they were belongs to the old jewish community.
When Dutch arrived in Southern Africa they claimed that the land was theirs and given to them by God, they claimed that the native black Africans were not the real owners of the land, they went as far as changing their identity from Dutch and started calling themselves Afrikaaners!, meaning that they are more African than the native black Africans. This is exactly what is happening with these Europeans claiming to be more middle Eastern than the Palestinians.
No. The Europeans you speak of are Ashkenazi Jews who are related more closely to Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews than anyone else. The hypocrisy of Islamist apologism and pathetically incoherent postcolonialist rhetoric is laughable and yet inherently vile altogether. Israel, Judea-Sumeria - the Jewish Homeland. Stop telling lies to dehumanise Jews. The vast majority of Muslims in the Middle East are either Arabic or were forcibly converted from Christianity or Zorastrianism for example. Neo-Marxism, like Islamofascism, is simply hateful and resentful. Jews are a benefit to humanity... unlike the aforementioned ideological adherents. Perhaps read some history books published before nefarious revisionists took over the colleges and universities. Maybe don't listen to left-wing legacy media either - they couldn't lie straight in bed.
I'm not going to argue with you, just asking to look for "Arch of Titus", constructed ~2000 years ago, celebrating the Romans victory over the Jewish rebellion in Judaea. I rest my case.
@@lookinans5944 Nobody says there were no Jews in Palestine/israel! That’s where Judaism started! However most of today’s Palestinians, moslems , or Christian’s are their descendants as well as middle eastern Jews. Don’t you see how they look alike? Ashkenazi Jews on the other hand have probably very little in common genetically with the original middle eastern Jews. They are mostly descendants of European converts. They should not have any legitimate claim on the land over the Palestinians already there since millennials. In any case even many Orthodox Jews do not agree with the concept of nation in Palestine/israel. It is a 19th century concept. No one in Judaism own the land, god does and even asks it be shared peacefully.
@@lilianehuddleston9363 You are mistaken. Ashkenazi Jewish DNA ties them to the Levant (Israel). The reason for some Ashkenazi Jews more fair skin and less Semitic look is the systemic rape of Jewish women by European men over thousands of years coupled with the fact that when the Nazis and their collaborators murdered 2/3 of the Jews in Europe, the more Semitic-looking were less likely to survive because they could not hide in plain sight.
The video says, "Zionism is the belief that Jews, like all other peoples, have a right to self-determination". To be clear, Zionism either means migration to Zion or, if one wants to look at it in terms of statehood, the creation of a nation-state in Zion. Zionism is distinct from the right of self-determination, because theoretically, the people could choose, that is, "self-determine", other options.
This video was about Zionism - explaining the ideology. Zionism is not anti-Palestinian. Zionism provides full citizenship and equal rights to all, including all Arabs including those who identify as Palestinian. As for a Palestinian claim to land - the Palestinians were given two states in 1948 - Jordan and another Arab part of the British Mandate. Jordan is majority Palestinian, but because it is ruled by a Hashemite minority - the Palestinians do not call it their country. The Arabs rejected the 1948 Partition Plan that would have given them another Arab state for the Palestinians. Instead they waged war against the fledgling Jewish country. And then they waged more war, and more war, and intifadas, and more war, and then their genocidal October 7th attack. I am all for the Palestinians having a peaceful state alongside Israel - but that does not seem to be what they want. Rather, they want a state instead of Israel - a state "from the river to the sea", a state where Jews are dead. Zionism offers peaceful coexistence - the Arabs and Palestinians need to simply accept that offer. Their offer - one where the Jews and Israelis are all dead and Israel is replaced by an Islamist Palestinian state - that is not an offer we will ever accept.
@@ronakaufman those are utter falsehoods and you know it. even the Palestinians living in Israel proper are subject to racist laws and descriminatory practices let alone those who live under occupation and blockade in West Bank and Gaza respectively. With all due respect, all of your assertions are nothing more than 4th rate propaganda and dishonest talking points.
I'm a native Levant Jewish from my mother family side go's back more than 2400 years. The Arabs Muslims are from the Arab peninsula.since the 7 century colored the place
Most palestinian came from syria lebanon Egypt and even from Libya and Yemen. Most of palestinian similar to Syrians lebanese and Egyptian. Both genetically and culturally and language. There are something like 30% from palestinian mainly in southern mountain of Hebron and in the area of NAZARETH that lived there and actually they originally came from the jews that convert to Islam or become Christian. The area were the jews settled from 1881 was neglected and many areas were abandoned the jews that settled there dried the swamps and fight desess like malria. After that many Arabs came to palestina to find work. In the west bank were Arabs that lived many years and they originally came from the jews. But in the area where the jews settled the Arabs palestinian came from Arabs countries. The Palestinian can have state in the west bank and Gaza, israel offered them state in the west bank and Gaza but they refused because they don't want to sign on the end of the conflict without the refugees return to Israel border of 1948. That means that israel don't exist. The Arabs don't talk about the jews refugees from Arabs countries that came to Israel after they suffered from pogroms and Humiliation in the Arabs countries and the jews really lived in the Arabs countries for generations not like most of the Arabs that arrived to palestina in the 19th century. The number of the jews refugees from Arabs countries are 850000 more than the Arabs refugees from palestina.
They ancestors are from syria lebanon Egypt even Arabs came from yemen Libya and saudi arabia. Where the jews settled the land was desolate and most of the land was empty. See photos from the beginning of the 19th century. Read what people like Mark Twin wrote about the land how the land looked. You can read the book the wrote by Joan peters (FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL).
You made wonderful explanations about Zionism. I saw the reactions. Jews are from Judea Arabs are from the Arab peninsula. They are the most Colonialist came in the 7 country and forced themselves of the region from the Atlantic Ocean to the Indian Ocean
What is palestin? From where came the word palestina? There no connection between the word palestina to the Arabs that today decided to call themselves palestinian. Palestina came from the Hebrew word פולש that means invader that how the Israelite called the people that came from Greece, the Arabs palestinian are not the philstin the Arabs palestinian have nothing to southern Europe where the philstin came from.
The Palestinian are Arabs also many of tham have jewish blood. You can see video in you tube called (PALESTINIAN OF JEWISH ORIGIN HIGHER RESOLUTION) By Misinai Tsvi. In the video you see professors that found that palestinian that live in the area of southern mountain Hebron are close genetic to the Ashkenazi jews. Palestinian can return to be jews and started to talk Hebrew and not Arabic and we solve the conflict.
If only there were actually Palestinians. And what do you mean by freedom and justice. Nobody has ever prevented the Arabs that call themselves Palestinians from having freedom. No fewer than 5 times they have turned down a state. They had Gaza and Judea and Samaria for 19 years after losing the '48 war and they built nothing. Israel handed back Gaza in 2005 and they responded with violence and by destroying the local economy that had been created by the Jews. You can't even articulate what the "Palestinians" want. Well, other than dead Jews. You have taken on a false cause. If Israel decided today to give her state to the Arabs, what do you think would happen? I will tell you - yet another radical Islamist caliphate that would murder the Jews and then set their eye on the West. Honestly, the stupidity of you "free Palestine" people is just staggering.
The ancestors of the Arabs Palestinian came from syria lebanon Egypt and even from Yemen Libya and saudi Arabia Arabs came to palestina. In the west bank there were some palestina that they really from the jews that convert to Islam, mainly in southern Mountain Hebron. But most Arabs came to palestina from Arabs countries.
Please explain to me how this isn’t racism. How come I as someone with Jewish heritage/ancestry tomorrow can land in Tel Aviv and get Israeli citizenship for free despite me not being born there nor any member of my family. But Palestinians who were born in Palestine and who from December 1947 to May 1948 were ethnically cleansed from their land as well as their descendants, CAN’T EVEN VISIT! That is literally racial discrimination as you are granting one person (me, someone with Jewish heritage) a right and privilege and denying another person/people (Palestinians who were born in Palestine) that same right entirely because of their race.
Arab Palestinians in 1947 and 1948 were not ethnically cleansed, most of them left to other Arab countries because they couldn't stand living in Israel. And they supported Jordan, an aggressive Arab nations such that wanted to destroy Israel and drive Jews away, and since Jordan is offering Palestinians citizenship, they can move to Jordan
Shes is so mistaken. Any scholar could argue a different genesis for Zionism. Read Pappe's books. The schlorship is out yhere to read. But, yes, she is cute.
Read the book that Joan peters wrote, the book is " from time immemorial " in the beginning Joan peters supported the Palestinian, after she started to study about the history of the region she changed her mind in 180 degrees and started to support israel.
Zionists is only simple thing that the jews will have place to live without be afraid from pogroms like was in all diaspora. That all what the Zionists, that the jews will have place to billed is homland.
Pappe is a liar and is easily disproven. He is a Neo-Marxist revisionist raised by the falsehoods of Franz Fanon and Edward Said and earlier Antisemitic pundits in Europe and the Middle East.
@@soulsmouls every place on earth had someone living there before... that is how earth work. If any cananiens want to claim it they are welcome to orgnize and put their claims in court
PEACEFUL COEXISTENCE vs ZIONISM. As a narrative Zionism would largely make sense, except for the fact that Zionism involves the displacement and uprooting of millions of people already living there for hundreds or thousands of years to fit this narrative… let alone that so many other groups (including the Canaanites who preceded Jews) have been there over these past several thousands of years..most of these years very, very peacefully. If all peoples deserved their native homeland, then all the Americas should be ceded to the Natives, and Americans should return back to Europe. Heck, almost all the borders of almost all the world's countries would need to be tossed out. Each generation starts anew. The solution (to all the world’s geopolitical problems) is PEACEFUL COEXISTENCE.
Zionist ideology, as manifested in the State of Israel is the ONLY nation in the middle east that models peaceful coexistence. It is the only nation where men, women, jews, christians, muslims, druze, coptics, samaritans, bedouins, relgious, secular, and others share a nation and all have citizenship and equal rights. Jews, women, and other minorities do not have equal rights and access to peaceful coexistence in any other middle eastern nation. If you want to see a world where peaceful coexistence is the goal - Israel, like the U.S., and other liberal democracies, is a worthy of your admiration.
@@ronakaufman Thank you for your elaboration. There is freedom within 1948 Israel to a large degree, though I’ve heard some reports of discrimination and censorship in Arab Israeli communities..but there’s still a good deal of freedom. The challenge is esnure freedoms, rights, dignity, and respect to all the occupied territories. As the highest commitment. Talking with an Israeli Jewish friend who spend a lot of time in the West Bank, he stated that Palestinians were continuously treated like dogs. And I’ve heard many such reports and seen thousands of such videos over my life. So what can be done to bring deep respect and brotherhood to … not by blaming them for deserving or inviting such treatment, but by EMPOWERING ourselves to be loving towards our neighbors, despite who they are. My highest commitment is “love your enemies” as taught by Jesus Christ Matthew 5:44
@@ronakaufman The world has witnessed first hand your Peaceful Existance for over 80 years. There is nothing in this brief history except for ethnic cleansing, genocide, occupation, land theft and constant aggression towards all its neighbours. And inside this freedom loving, equal right soiety nothing but an aparthied that puts the South Africa case to shame in its brutality. Unfortunately for you, the truth is out like daylight and no amount of pathetic lies and propaganda can put the gene back. And I am sure you know it yourself, otherwise you wouldn't be so desperate as to try to explain Zionism on the internet as a way of justifying genocide.
@@gheller2261 Actually my sources were Isreali Jewish friends who have spent time in Israel and the West Bank..and secondary sources of many Jewish and Arab voices. Peace and love to you.
@@baibamennika8625 Thank you for your question. I think you misunderstand the history. Israel did not take the land away from anyone. The land was inhabited by multiple peoples - Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Coptics, Bedouin, Samaritans, and other tribes. Pre-Israel, the land was ruled by the British. The British decided to give the land to the indigenous peoples. Part of the land controlled by the British became the country of Jordan, which is an Arab state with a Palestinian majority. The United Nations voted to petition the other part of the land so as to create 2 additional states: an Arab state and a Jewish state. The Jews accepted the United Nations partition and requested to live in peace side-by-side with all the Arab states across the region. The Arab people of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Iraq, along with other militias from across the Arab League, refused the partition and refused peace and instead attempted to slaughter the fledgling state of Israel and all the Jews who lived there. They lost the war and when the war was over, Israel was established with slightly more land than what it had been granted in the partition. Egypt took the land of Gaza. Jordan took the West Bank. The Arabs who stayed in the land of Israel became full citizens with equal rights and continue to live there freely today. The Bedouin hostage who was rescued today by the IDF from a tunnel is Gaza is a descendant of those who stayed in the land of Israel during the 1948 war of independence and chose to become part of the democratic state of Israel rather than wage terror for over 80 years against it.
@@ronakaufman my birtplace is Latvia and based on this war i red about zionism and its leaders from latvia and official dicuments telling different facts than just you present. But frankly speaking i care if innocent been hurted and they are palestinians too bot only jews. I have no any personal interest to know or live in that region.
The most ardent of Early Zionist did not believe they were indigenous. Jabotinsky comes to mind. They never staked their claim on indigenity. But a manifest destiny. That as an oppresed people should have state of their own was the only way to save them from the humiliation of the diaspora. That they need a State to manifest themselves as a nation as proud as a German French or British. It did not really matter to the early Zionist whether its going to be Palestine Uganda or Argentina.
This sounds like a European dilemma and has nothing to do with Palestine. I’m trying to understand this “professor” who has a German sounding name and one who looks Kurdish (no relation to Jerusalem except by fiction) is preaching on this very outdated idea called Zionism.
Claiming to know the Lord's will is blasphemy. Zionism is a secular endeavor to save Jews from being murdered. It is historic justice to return them to their land, and a moral act of decency.
@@dima-rafael Who decides who settles the rest of the world? Countries are formed by historical movements of people. The Jewish people has lived in Israel the longest, creating its most ancient architecture still standing today. They have been in Israel consecutively, with many documents to back this up. Religion cannot be used to claim a territory since all religions argue for different things, but we can all factually know which historic people came first.
@@paper_panda Acording to the Jewish faith the Lord created the earth and only he decides who is in line to inherit the land meaning nothing belongs to us ( humans)
Self-determination is a legitimate human right for all peoples including Jews...but you left out the settler-colonial aspect of Zionism which is its main overarching characteristic when viewed in practice. The idea itself is noble. Its the implementation of it that is clearly problematic.
those are utter falsehoods and you know it. even the Palestinians living in Israel proper are subject to racist laws and descriminatory practices let alone those who live under occupation and blockade in West Bank and Gaza respectively. With all due respect, all of your assertions are nothing more than 4th rate propaganda and dishonest talking points.
Ah, my favorite. Projection. You're nothing more than a bevy of talking points that are easily debunked. Just be honest and use these words you so want to say, "I don't like Jews."
One problem, we Jews are actually indigenous to Iraq, where our father Abraham came from. It was God that instructed Abraham to go to what we now call Israel, and it was God that instructed that the Land of Israel would be the homeland of the Jews. So, the concept of indigenous is not a concept that is at play here. The idea that the Jewish people are expected by God to live in the Land of Israel and to represent the values that God expects from the Nation of Israel is what is important here. So, please leave out the word indigenous, it has no moral or ethical significance whatsoever. There are many indigenous societies that are immoral, and if anyone is indigenous to somewhere, then shouldn't everyone be indigenous to somewhere? But they are not. Time to get rid of the indigenous concept altogether, as it really has no ethical or moral purpose.
The identification of the city of Ur with southern Iraq is a mistake. Ur means city, there were other places that were titled City. In addition the site in Iraq does not match some of the attributes of its biblical description. e.g. it is in the wrong side of the river.
@@allenmoses110 The first Jew May have been from Iraq, not “we Jews”. The Jewish people’s homeland is Israel - indignity is one concept that can be used to describe the relationship between us and the land of Israel. Ancestral homeland is another. Jewish civilization was birthed in Israel. Our ancient Temple, the outer wall of which still stands, is in Israel. The Jewish, Christian, and Muslim holy texts all recognize the connection of the Jewish people to the land of Israel. Archeological findings also connect us to Israel. You can reject one of those connections if you want, but that does not negate the connection between the Jewish people and the land of Israel.
@@ronakaufman I said the connection comes from God, the Creator of the Universe. The idea of indigenousness is a foreign 19th Century unJewish idea. It does nothing for anyone. Yes there are populations of tribal people on their ancestral lands in places like Brazil, and their rights to their land should be respected because otherwise the existence of these people will be placed in jeopardy. However, many of their customs are very problematic. There needs to be a consideration that takes into account the morality that is based the biblical tradition. The idea that indigenous gives people some kind of unqualified right under any circumstances is a false ideology. The original promise of the Land of Israel to the Nation of Israel is by the Creator to Abraham, and is not based on this concept of indigenous.
@@ef2718 Abraham was told by God to leave his home and travel very far to a place of God's choosing. All of this has nothing to do with being indigenous. I will say that Abraham was not even originally indigenous to anywhere. In one place he existed without God. Once he encountered God, he went to another place, to exist with God.
and this means that without God we are in one condition and with God we are in another condition. But I will also say that virtually all Jews today are in some way with God, whether "religious" or not, compared to the Abraham that was before his encounter with God. So, please don't get all bent out of shape about the God thing. Even Hertzel was a descendent of Abraham in this sense.
Like many of your kinds who live in christian land. And if you're muslim let me tell you, you are not supposed to live in non muslim land and one more thing, the concept of country does not exist in islam. Go and make your research
My Dad's side are from Español. My Mother's side are from Portuguese. Their great great great Parents were involved in the inquisition from both sides. They want nothing to do with Jewishism. I'm trying to keep The Judean religion practice with no one to help me. But, I thank you very much for this explanation. ❤ GOD BE WITH YOU
Your explanation is so helpful - thank you !!!
"The Holy Land is Everywhere." -Black Elk
Thank you Professor Kaufman, I will share this video, as this is all highly accurate.
smh 1885 - The term “Zionism” was first coined by the Viennese writer, Nathan Birnbaum, a non religious Jewish nationalist. 1896: the Nationalist Zionist Movement was founded by Theodore Herzl, for establishing a Jewish homeland somewhere. It was a secular movement (Herzl was an atheist, his co-founder Max Nordau was agnostic). Places first considered: Uganda, Kenya, Cyprus, the Sinai, and Argentina. They asked the US for land in New Mexico/Arizona -the US said no! Palestine was considered. Zionist Chaim Weizmann (also an atheist) returned from there in the very early 20th century, he reported back "The bride is beautiful but she is married to another man" -meaning while the land looked good to settle, it was already occupied.
Beautifully put
Already occupied, as DNA analysis shows, by the people most directly descended from the Israelites.
@@johnsheehy4192 And yet culturally genocided by Islam. How sad.
Hmh. Fun fact, the birth name of thr great George Burns was Nathan Birnbaum.
So what if they didn't believe in god. Nationalism is not religious based. It is a part of the History and culture of a nation but not the only value. Just like all the muslim countries (with crecnt or the shahada on their flags) or christians ones that are not only christians but have christian roots and strong christian history (and countries that have crosses on their flags or christian symboles)
Theador Hertzel is only one man. He is considered the father but... just like politics today.. there are many people that work and many circamstances that impact the choices and the events of life.
If you have religious and maybe cultural ties to a land/area, that does not make you indigenous. It seems to me you are reinterpreting ‘indigenous’ to defend against the view that political Zionism is for a significant part settler colonialism. It also seems historical revisionism of the view of early Zionists who considered political Zionism as colonialism.
"European" Ashkenazi jews are 50-60% Middle eastern by DNA. Jews lived in diaspora in Europe but their origins were, the Middle East.
The ancestors of the Arabs palestinian came to palestina from syria lebanon Egypt and even from Libya yemen and saudi Arabia. The jews settled on land the was desolate and most empty. The jews dried the swamps and fight desess like malria after that many Arabs came to palestina to find work. You can see photos from the beginning of the 19th century and see how the land was empty. And you can read what people like Mark Twin wrote about the land how desolate and empty was the land. You can read the book (FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL) WROTE BY JOAN PETERS, when Joan peters started to wrote the book she was pro-palestinian she wrote the book 7 years and when she finished the book she became pro- israel.
And also palestina included jordan. Britain gave the eastern part of palestina to the Hashemite family from Saudi arabia for their help in first world war. That how the kingdom of jordan was created.
Early Zionists did not consider Zionism colonialism. They were packaging it as that when trying to sell those with power, i.e., European powers. on the idea of allowing a Jewish homeland.
Hi Rona, love the work you’re doing here. I’ve set up a group at my shul to practise discussing and explaining exactly this sort of material. Do you by chance have transcripts of your videos. Or can you recommend a good source for similar? Thanks
Source lists are in the descriptions of each of my videos.
this is very well oresented.
one essential poit should never be skipped even in brief presentation: zionism from its conception was trying to create a modern state based on the principles of the Elightment.
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Enough with western colonialism.
The jews are neither foreigners nor European. First of all most of the jews in israel today came to Israel from Arabs countries that came to Israel after they suffered from pogroms and Humiliation in the Arabs countries. Second thing most palestinian are Awho arrived to palestina from syria lebanon and Egypt even from Libya and yemen. Most of them are similar to the Syrians lebanese and Egyptian both genetically and culturally and language. There are something like 30% of palestinian, mainly in the southern area of Hebron and in the area of NAZARETH who did lived there and originally they from the jews that converted to Islam or become Christian. Onther thing among the Palestinian there are 30% from Saudi arabia. Third thing The Ashkenazi jews were also foreigners in East Europe. From genetic point they close to 50% from the middle East and the rest are mainly Italian and little Germany. They probably mixed with the Roman's and little mixed with German.
Enough with Arabs Muslim Colonialism. The Arabs Muslim conquered a lot of land and force the people that lived there to convert to Islam also the murdered many. The Arabs Muslim started with slavery and the Arabs Muslim was the most cruel to African black slave.
exactly - leave Jews alone in their ancestral homeland
The ancestors of the Arabs palestinian came to palestina from syria lebanon Egypt and also from Libya yemen and saudi arabia. Second the jews settled on land that was desolate and most of was empty. Look at photos from the beginning of the 19th century and see who empty was the land. Read what people like Mark Twin wrote about the land how empty was the land. Also you can read the book (FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL) WROTE BY JOAN PETERS. When she began to wrote the book the was supprted of the Palestinian, she wrote the book 7 years and when she finished the book she changed her mind in 180 degrees and became pro- israel .
How about freedom and justice for ALL including Jewish and Israeli PEOPLE? Ending Arab colonialism? What does that look like?
Not very accurate! Cyrus allowed Jews to go back . But only 2 of the 12 tribes returned. So Jews never saw Canaan as their homeland, neither when Muslims conquered in 7th century neither when the Ottomans conquered Jerusalem. Jews are basically business people and goes where business are
In diaspora every year the jews say next year in Jerusalem. In diaspora the jews was very poor and in that time it was difficult to do back to Israel. There was few religious jews that came bake they were belongs to the old jewish community.
When Dutch arrived in Southern Africa they claimed that the land was theirs and given to them by God, they claimed that the native black Africans were not the real owners of the land, they went as far as changing their identity from Dutch and started calling themselves Afrikaaners!, meaning that they are more African than the native black Africans. This is exactly what is happening with these Europeans claiming to be more middle Eastern than the Palestinians.
Finally someone who makes sense! thank you!
No. The Europeans you speak of are Ashkenazi Jews who are related more closely to Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews than anyone else.
The hypocrisy of Islamist apologism and pathetically incoherent postcolonialist rhetoric is laughable and yet inherently vile altogether.
Israel, Judea-Sumeria - the Jewish Homeland. Stop telling lies to dehumanise Jews.
The vast majority of Muslims in the Middle East are either Arabic or were forcibly converted from Christianity or Zorastrianism for example.
Neo-Marxism, like Islamofascism, is simply hateful and resentful. Jews are a benefit to humanity... unlike the aforementioned ideological adherents.
Perhaps read some history books published before nefarious revisionists took over the colleges and universities. Maybe don't listen to left-wing legacy media either - they couldn't lie straight in bed.
I'm not going to argue with you, just asking to look for "Arch of Titus", constructed ~2000 years ago, celebrating the Romans victory over the Jewish rebellion in Judaea. I rest my case.
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Nobody says there were no Jews in Palestine/israel! That’s where Judaism started! However most of today’s Palestinians, moslems , or Christian’s are their descendants as well as middle eastern Jews. Don’t you see how they look alike?
Ashkenazi Jews on the other hand have probably very little in common genetically with the original middle eastern Jews. They are mostly descendants of European converts. They should not have any legitimate claim on the land over the Palestinians already there since millennials. In any case even many Orthodox Jews do not agree with the concept of nation in Palestine/israel. It is a 19th century concept. No one in Judaism own the land, god does and even asks it be shared peacefully.
@@lilianehuddleston9363 You are mistaken. Ashkenazi Jewish DNA ties them to the Levant (Israel). The reason for some Ashkenazi Jews more fair skin and less Semitic look is the systemic rape of Jewish women by European men over thousands of years coupled with the fact that when the Nazis and their collaborators murdered 2/3 of the Jews in Europe, the more Semitic-looking were less likely to survive because they could not hide in plain sight.
Superb explanation.
The video says, "Zionism is the belief that Jews, like all other peoples, have a right to self-determination".
To be clear, Zionism either means migration to Zion or, if one wants to look at it in terms of statehood, the creation of a nation-state in Zion.
Zionism is distinct from the right of self-determination, because theoretically, the people could choose, that is, "self-determine", other options.
professor Kaufman, with all respect, do you regard the palestinian claim to that land as not even worthy of mention?
what a depraved, psychotic immoral account this professor has given. the embodiment of a genocidal ideology.
This video was about Zionism - explaining the ideology. Zionism is not anti-Palestinian. Zionism provides full citizenship and equal rights to all, including all Arabs including those who identify as Palestinian. As for a Palestinian claim to land - the Palestinians were given two states in 1948 - Jordan and another Arab part of the British Mandate. Jordan is majority Palestinian, but because it is ruled by a Hashemite minority - the Palestinians do not call it their country. The Arabs rejected the 1948 Partition Plan that would have given them another Arab state for the Palestinians. Instead they waged war against the fledgling Jewish country. And then they waged more war, and more war, and intifadas, and more war, and then their genocidal October 7th attack. I am all for the Palestinians having a peaceful state alongside Israel - but that does not seem to be what they want. Rather, they want a state instead of Israel - a state "from the river to the sea", a state where Jews are dead. Zionism offers peaceful coexistence - the Arabs and Palestinians need to simply accept that offer. Their offer - one where the Jews and Israelis are all dead and Israel is replaced by an Islamist Palestinian state - that is not an offer we will ever accept.
@@ronakaufman those are utter falsehoods and you know it. even the Palestinians living in Israel proper are subject to racist laws and descriminatory practices let alone those who live under occupation and blockade in West Bank and Gaza respectively. With all due respect, all of your assertions are nothing more than 4th rate propaganda and dishonest talking points.
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Really lady? This is elementary school level hasbara and absurdly easy to debunk - even by Israeli historians. 🤦🏼♂️
@@ronakaufmanit is an assult on logic to give something to someone they already possess? I first have to take it in order to give it.
Squatters gonna squat, then claim to be indigenous.
concise description of Palestinians, thank you
Rubbish, love your neighbor as you love your self !!!
I'm a native Levant Jewish from my mother family side go's back more than 2400 years. The Arabs Muslims are from the Arab peninsula.since the 7 century colored the place
Palestinians also have a right to self-determination in their ancestral and indigenous homeland.
They are Arabs. They are the most recent Jew-hating Colonialists.
Most palestinian came from syria lebanon Egypt and even from Libya and Yemen. Most of palestinian similar to Syrians lebanese and Egyptian. Both genetically and culturally and language. There are something like 30% from palestinian mainly in southern mountain of Hebron and in the area of NAZARETH that lived there and actually they originally came from the jews that convert to Islam or become Christian. The area were the jews settled from 1881 was neglected and many areas were abandoned the jews that settled there dried the swamps and fight desess like malria. After that many Arabs came to palestina to find work. In the west bank were Arabs that lived many years and they originally came from the jews. But in the area where the jews settled the Arabs palestinian came from Arabs countries. The Palestinian can have state in the west bank and Gaza, israel offered them state in the west bank and Gaza but they refused because they don't want to sign on the end of the conflict without the refugees return to Israel border of 1948. That means that israel don't exist. The Arabs don't talk about the jews refugees from Arabs countries that came to Israel after they suffered from pogroms and Humiliation in the Arabs countries and the jews really lived in the Arabs countries for generations not like most of the Arabs that arrived to palestina in the 19th century. The number of the jews refugees from Arabs countries are 850000 more than the Arabs refugees from palestina.
@@yoavpeled-h2c Nobody believes Israel's lies any longer.
the lands of which you speak are Jordan, Syria and other countries around Israel.
They ancestors are from syria lebanon Egypt even Arabs came from yemen Libya and saudi arabia. Where the jews settled the land was desolate and most of the land was empty. See photos from the beginning of the 19th century. Read what people like Mark Twin wrote about the land how the land looked. You can read the book the wrote by Joan peters (FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL).
You made wonderful explanations about Zionism. I saw the reactions. Jews are from Judea Arabs are from the Arab peninsula. They are the most Colonialist came in the 7 country and forced themselves of the region from the Atlantic Ocean to the Indian Ocean
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What is palestin? From where came the word palestina? There no connection between the word palestina to the Arabs that today decided to call themselves palestinian. Palestina came from the Hebrew word פולש that means invader that how the Israelite called the people that came from Greece, the Arabs palestinian are not the philstin the Arabs palestinian have nothing to southern Europe where the philstin came from.
The Palestinian are Arabs also many of tham have jewish blood. You can see video in you tube called (PALESTINIAN OF JEWISH ORIGIN HIGHER RESOLUTION) By Misinai Tsvi. In the video you see professors that found that palestinian that live in the area of southern mountain Hebron are close genetic to the Ashkenazi jews. Palestinian can return to be jews and started to talk Hebrew and not Arabic and we solve the conflict.
If only there were actually Palestinians. And what do you mean by freedom and justice. Nobody has ever prevented the Arabs that call themselves Palestinians from having freedom. No fewer than 5 times they have turned down a state. They had Gaza and Judea and Samaria for 19 years after losing the '48 war and they built nothing. Israel handed back Gaza in 2005 and they responded with violence and by destroying the local economy that had been created by the Jews. You can't even articulate what the "Palestinians" want. Well, other than dead Jews. You have taken on a false cause. If Israel decided today to give her state to the Arabs, what do you think would happen? I will tell you - yet another radical Islamist caliphate that would murder the Jews and then set their eye on the West. Honestly, the stupidity of you "free Palestine" people is just staggering.
And only them??
The ancestors of the Arabs Palestinian came from syria lebanon Egypt and even from Yemen Libya and saudi Arabia Arabs came to palestina. In the west bank there were some palestina that they really from the jews that convert to Islam, mainly in southern Mountain Hebron. But most Arabs came to palestina from Arabs countries.
I thought it simply meant Jews wanted a nation.
You kind of left out that the Jews in Europe were experiencing the pogroms. That was a major impetus for Zionism.
For Christ and the holy of israel
Israelis treat christians like trash... But never mind...
Israelis despise christians, but let´s ignore that?
Please explain to me how this isn’t racism. How come I as someone with Jewish heritage/ancestry tomorrow can land in Tel Aviv and get Israeli citizenship for free despite me not being born there nor any member of my family. But Palestinians who were born in Palestine and who from December 1947 to May 1948 were ethnically cleansed from their land as well as their descendants, CAN’T EVEN VISIT!
That is literally racial discrimination as you are granting one person (me, someone with Jewish heritage) a right and privilege and denying another person/people (Palestinians who were born in Palestine) that same right entirely because of their race.
what a depraved, psychotic immoral account this professor has given. the embodiment of a genocidal ideology.
Arab Palestinians in 1947 and 1948 were not ethnically cleansed, most of them left to other Arab countries because they couldn't stand living in Israel. And they supported Jordan, an aggressive Arab nations such that wanted to destroy Israel and drive Jews away, and since Jordan is offering Palestinians citizenship, they can move to Jordan
Thank you, Rona, for an excellent explanation!
Good rethorics don´t make it any more true...
Great video- thank you!
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Na, only a demon would do that...
Shes is so mistaken. Any scholar could argue a different genesis for Zionism.
Read Pappe's books. The schlorship is out yhere to read.
But, yes, she is cute.
Pappe's book is nonsense. Read the book " from time immemorial "
Read the book that Joan peters wrote, the book is " from time immemorial " in the beginning Joan peters supported the Palestinian, after she started to study about the history of the region she changed her mind in 180 degrees and started to support israel.
Zionists is only simple thing that the jews will have place to live without be afraid from pogroms like was in all diaspora. That all what the Zionists, that the jews will have place to billed is homland.
Pappe is a liar and is easily disproven. He is a Neo-Marxist revisionist raised by the falsehoods of Franz Fanon and Edward Said and earlier Antisemitic pundits in Europe and the Middle East.
Eating too much baloney is bad for your health.
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Ancestral homeland? So we're all gonna pretend Canaan and Peleset weren't there first?
Also, 80% of Palestinians have Canaanite ancestry according to studies. It's their land. No matter how much you deny it.
@@soulsmouls jews descend from canaanites too. Indigenous
@@soulsmoulsYou got your "likes" but it doesn't change the fact that there is no such thing as a Palestinian.
@@soulsmouls every place on earth had someone living there before... that is how earth work.
If any cananiens want to claim it they are welcome to orgnize and put their claims in court
@@shshshshsh Why are you telling me that? I just corrected an incorrect Zionist argument. It's their narrative, not mine.
The high pitch sound in background gives me anxiety. The presentation otherwise is terrific
(atrocious, non factual, drivel)
Smh.... wow smh.....
Indigenous land is in Khazary non in Palestine
PEACEFUL COEXISTENCE vs ZIONISM.
As a narrative Zionism would largely make sense, except for the fact that Zionism involves the displacement and uprooting of millions of people already living there for hundreds or thousands of years to fit this narrative… let alone that so many other groups (including the Canaanites who preceded Jews) have been there over these past several thousands of years..most of these years very, very peacefully.
If all peoples deserved their native homeland, then all the Americas should be ceded to the Natives, and Americans should return back to Europe. Heck, almost all the borders of almost all the world's countries would need to be tossed out.
Each generation starts anew. The solution (to all the world’s geopolitical problems) is PEACEFUL COEXISTENCE.
Zionist ideology, as manifested in the State of Israel is the ONLY nation in the middle east that models peaceful coexistence. It is the only nation where men, women, jews, christians, muslims, druze, coptics, samaritans, bedouins, relgious, secular, and others share a nation and all have citizenship and equal rights. Jews, women, and other minorities do not have equal rights and access to peaceful coexistence in any other middle eastern nation. If you want to see a world where peaceful coexistence is the goal - Israel, like the U.S., and other liberal democracies, is a worthy of your admiration.
@@ronakaufman Thank you for your elaboration. There is freedom within 1948 Israel to a large degree, though I’ve heard some reports of discrimination and censorship in Arab Israeli communities..but there’s still a good deal of freedom.
The challenge is esnure freedoms, rights, dignity, and respect to all the occupied territories. As the highest commitment.
Talking with an Israeli Jewish friend who spend a lot of time in the West Bank, he stated that Palestinians were continuously treated like dogs. And I’ve heard many such reports and seen thousands of such videos over my life.
So what can be done to bring deep respect and brotherhood to … not by blaming them for deserving or inviting such treatment, but by EMPOWERING ourselves to be loving towards our neighbors, despite who they are.
My highest commitment is “love your enemies” as taught by Jesus Christ Matthew 5:44
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The world has witnessed first hand your Peaceful Existance for over 80 years. There is nothing in this brief history except for ethnic cleansing, genocide, occupation, land theft and constant aggression towards all its neighbours. And inside this freedom loving, equal right soiety nothing but an aparthied that puts the South Africa case to shame in its brutality. Unfortunately for you, the truth is out like daylight and no amount of pathetic lies and propaganda can put the gene back. And I am sure you know it yourself, otherwise you wouldn't be so desperate as to try to explain Zionism on the internet as a way of justifying genocide.
@@PerspectivemapperShe's nicer than I am. So, here it is - you speak a lot of nonsense that I am sure you culled from anti-Israel sources.
@@gheller2261 Actually my sources were Isreali Jewish friends who have spent time in Israel and the West Bank..and secondary sources of many Jewish and Arab voices. Peace and love to you.
God but why take away land from others? Question of whom belonged a land is disputable
@@baibamennika8625 Thank you for your question. I think you misunderstand the history. Israel did not take the land away from anyone. The land was inhabited by multiple peoples - Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Coptics, Bedouin, Samaritans, and other tribes. Pre-Israel, the land was ruled by the British. The British decided to give the land to the indigenous peoples. Part of the land controlled by the British became the country of Jordan, which is an Arab state with a Palestinian majority. The United Nations voted to petition the other part of the land so as to create 2 additional states: an Arab state and a Jewish state. The Jews accepted the United Nations partition and requested to live in peace side-by-side with all the Arab states across the region. The Arab people of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Iraq, along with other militias from across the Arab League, refused the partition and refused peace and instead attempted to slaughter the fledgling state of Israel and all the Jews who lived there. They lost the war and when the war was over, Israel was established with slightly more land than what it had been granted in the partition. Egypt took the land of Gaza. Jordan took the West Bank. The Arabs who stayed in the land of Israel became full citizens with equal rights and continue to live there freely today. The Bedouin hostage who was rescued today by the IDF from a tunnel is Gaza is a descendant of those who stayed in the land of Israel during the 1948 war of independence and chose to become part of the democratic state of Israel rather than wage terror for over 80 years against it.
@@ronakaufman my birtplace is Latvia and based on this war i red about zionism and its leaders from latvia and official dicuments telling different facts than just you present. But frankly speaking i care if innocent been hurted and they are palestinians too bot only jews. I have no any personal interest to know or live in that region.
Thank you Rona on so many levels. Kol HaKavod!
Zionism is dropping a bomb on innocent civilians seeking help in a hospital.
The most ardent of Early Zionist did not believe they were indigenous. Jabotinsky comes to mind. They never staked their claim on indigenity. But a manifest destiny. That as an oppresed people should have state of their own was the only way to save them from the humiliation of the diaspora. That they need a State to manifest themselves as a nation as proud as a German French or British. It did not really matter to the early Zionist whether its going to be Palestine Uganda or Argentina.
Education is the Salution.. it is not as exciting and sexy... or is it??
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hopefully they'll be free from Hamas soon and then be willing to live in peace next to the indigenous Jewish people and other Israelis.
flat-out lies.
This sounds like a European dilemma and has nothing to do with Palestine. I’m trying to understand this “professor” who has a German sounding name and one who looks Kurdish (no relation to Jerusalem except by fiction) is preaching on this very outdated idea called Zionism.
Do explain. Otherwise keep quiet.
Is Zionism the Lords will ?
absolutely not. it is a colonialist, racist, supremacist, apartheid at best, immoral rartional for colonialism and barbarsim.
Claiming to know the Lord's will is blasphemy. Zionism is a secular endeavor to save Jews from being murdered. It is historic justice to return them to their land, and a moral act of decency.
@@paper_panda So who will decide who is line to inherit the land?
@@dima-rafael Who decides who settles the rest of the world?
Countries are formed by historical movements of people. The Jewish people has lived in Israel the longest, creating its most ancient architecture still standing today. They have been in Israel consecutively, with many documents to back this up.
Religion cannot be used to claim a territory since all religions argue for different things, but we can all factually know which historic people came first.
@@paper_panda Acording to the Jewish faith the Lord created the earth and only he decides who is in line to inherit the land meaning nothing belongs to us ( humans)
Self-determination is a legitimate human right for all peoples including Jews...but you left out the settler-colonial aspect of Zionism which is its main overarching characteristic when viewed in practice. The idea itself is noble. Its the implementation of it that is clearly problematic.
The idea itself has never been noble either, it´s based on 19th century racism.
Illustrative DNA is a really good dna test which shows 100% Ashkenazi are 50% Levantine by dna.
Sure, Zionist Rassenlehre is so believable...
Lovely how Zionists use Rassenlehre...
What's the other 50%?
@@Mahmood42978 southern and Eastern European dna
Hashem shall reign l'olam, even thy G-d, O Tziyon, l'dor vador. Praise Hashem.
Tehillim (Psalms) 146:10
those are utter falsehoods and you know it. even the Palestinians living in Israel proper are subject to racist laws and descriminatory practices let alone those who live under occupation and blockade in West Bank and Gaza respectively. With all due respect, all of your assertions are nothing more than 4th rate propaganda and dishonest talking points.
Ah, my favorite. Projection. You're nothing more than a bevy of talking points that are easily debunked. Just be honest and use these words you so want to say, "I don't like Jews."
Free Palestine.
One problem, we Jews are actually indigenous to Iraq, where our father Abraham came from. It was God that instructed Abraham to go to what we now call Israel, and it was God that instructed that the Land of Israel would be the homeland of the Jews. So, the concept of indigenous is not a concept that is at play here. The idea that the Jewish people are expected by God to live in the Land of Israel and to represent the values that God expects from the Nation of Israel is what is important here. So, please leave out the word indigenous, it has no moral or ethical significance whatsoever. There are many indigenous societies that are immoral, and if anyone is indigenous to somewhere, then shouldn't everyone be indigenous to somewhere? But they are not. Time to get rid of the indigenous concept altogether, as it really has no ethical or moral purpose.
The identification of the city of Ur with southern Iraq is a mistake. Ur means city, there were other places that were titled City. In addition the site in Iraq does not match some of the attributes of its biblical description. e.g. it is in the wrong side of the river.
@@allenmoses110 The first Jew May have been from Iraq, not “we Jews”. The Jewish people’s homeland is Israel - indignity is one concept that can be used to describe the relationship between us and the land of Israel. Ancestral homeland is another. Jewish civilization was birthed in Israel. Our ancient Temple, the outer wall of which still stands, is in Israel. The Jewish, Christian, and Muslim holy texts all recognize the connection of the Jewish people to the land of Israel. Archeological findings also connect us to Israel. You can reject one of those connections if you want, but that does not negate the connection between the Jewish people and the land of Israel.
@@ronakaufman I said the connection comes from God, the Creator of the Universe. The idea of indigenousness is a foreign 19th Century unJewish idea. It does nothing for anyone. Yes there are populations of tribal people on their ancestral lands in places like Brazil, and their rights to their land should be respected because otherwise the existence of these people will be placed in jeopardy. However, many of their customs are very problematic. There needs to be a consideration that takes into account the morality that is based the biblical tradition. The idea that indigenous gives people some kind of unqualified right under any circumstances is a false ideology. The original promise of the Land of Israel to the Nation of Israel is by the Creator to Abraham, and is not based on this concept of indigenous.
@@ef2718 Abraham was told by God to leave his home and travel very far to a place of God's choosing. All of this has nothing to do with being indigenous. I will say that Abraham was not even originally indigenous to anywhere. In one place he existed without God. Once he encountered God, he went to another place, to exist with God.
and this means that without God we are in one condition and with God we are in another condition. But I will also say that virtually all Jews today are in some way with God, whether "religious" or not, compared to the Abraham that was before his encounter with God. So, please don't get all bent out of shape about the God thing. Even Hertzel was a descendent of Abraham in this sense.
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Why do you live outside then?
You can know the real history of Jews and Israel even if you live "outside."
Like many of your kinds who live in christian land. And if you're muslim let me tell you, you are not supposed to live in non muslim land and one more thing, the concept of country does not exist in islam. Go and make your research
@@Michael-wq7qxthanks but that was not my question. I’m asking her as to why she lives outside!
We are living in Israel.
@@Watcher6868 Don't you understand that this question is too personal for any YT discussion?