I used to play the grob with some success, then stopped after running into terrible positions, but when it was played against me I kept forgetting how to punish it properly so this was useful.
Nice! I wanted to make it brief and helpful. White ends up with kingside weaknesses and some problems with developing the queenside, so Black is on top.
This is a technically "bad" opening, BUT when used against human opponent unfamiliar with it; a black player warry of traps may play too passively against it. I was just recently introduced to the Grob and not freaking out when white queen threatened my rook was key!
The title of the video should be "1. g4 is the worst first move. Here's the proof." Very good! I'm inspired to refute it! Please play 1. g4 against me!
I learned to play chess when I was a little girl around age 4 with my Aunt Joy. I am now 63. Much of what I like today is what she brought to my life or what I have found useful in my life (not the same thing). She liked Leonard Cohen, he was a young man then; she liked Shakespear's writings, and other more modern writers, she understood the usefulness of chess. It was back in 2015 that I learned that Briley Richmond liked to refer to chess. I remember him telling Sharon Dodds that I'd mastered the kings-pawn move and Sharon responded that she didn't know the game. I know he thought that I didn't. I don't play and surely didn't go the beach where they had set up a massive chessboard. My daughter's boyfriend, Conner, is somewhat of a chess master, I imagine he thinks I don't know the game either. I know it, I just don't care for public play. Joy liked this poem, "The Boot, the Shoe, and Slipper" and had me memorize it. It has a great moral about what people see and what the value is - whether it's chess or something else.
I hadn't seen this clear refutation of 1. g4. What's hilarious is that on the side of this video there's a video titled "Killer Grob" by a 2100 player who isn't strong enough to understand logically and positionally why 1. g4 is a bad move (no offense intended. I don't know him personally, just trying to speak factually here). 1. g4 is actually the weakest move you can play with White, which is amazing: it doesn't fit into any other opening system if White tries to transpose back into something normal. It's even worse than 1. f3 e5 2. e3, which gives you a French Defense with ...f6 thrown in randomly, which isn't actually that bad.
@@aaronasher9800 that’s why you don’t play it on the king side, you play it on the queen side, B4, B5 which keeps black’s queen knight from being able to develop normally.
I just played against a very terrible grob variation on Lichess. The guy didn’t know what he was doing and only played with the H rook and G knight, only bringing out his light square bishop when I was starting a checkmate sequence.
Thanks. This was very helpful. But you failed to mention a key trap! After 1.g4 d5 2.Bg2 Bxg4 3.c4 c6 4.Qb3 e6 5.cxd5, Black must play the counterintutive 5...exd5!, violating the maxim about capturing toward the center, since 5...cxd5?? 6.Qa4+ wins the bishop. ChessBase Online shows that a LOT of people fall into this trap. In this move order, 18 people played the correct 5...exd5!, while 7 (i.e 28%) blundered with 5...cxd5??. Another 31 blundered away their bishop by a different move order, I assume 4.cxd5 cxd5 first, and then 5.Qb3 e6?? In this case, they may think they're being clever, since 5.Qb3 Nf6! would allow 6.Qxb7 Nbd7 7.Bxd5. In fact 7.Bxd5?? would be a blunder because of 7...Rb8! 8.Qc6?? (defending the bishop) Rc8 and wins.
1:59 Why would white move the queen there so early? Why not just capture the D5 pawn black is trying to defend with C6 with the C4 pawn, THEN move the queen to B3 after black recaptures it? Black still defending that pawn after that? Queen to A4 check, then grab the bishop.
I hate those clueless people challenging the opening knowledge of an IM, people who blunder smothered mate in grob lines are probably 1200s. Go learn a real opening instead of trying to make Clemenz opening work or some shit.
When you retreat the rook from c4 why dont you protect the pawn on A7 with rook to C7? The pawn is just hanging and i dont see why you wouldnt protect it. Am i missing something? Can someone please explain?
Good question. You are asking about 8. ...Rc8 at 3:05 in the video. The issue here is that after Rc7, the rook is unstable, meaning it can easily be chased away immediately, by the knight on a3 coming into b5 to attack it. Note that a tempo (a move in chess) is worth a quarter of a pawn, so if White goes in and takes the a7 pawn by 9. Qxa7 then 9. ...Bc5 hits White's queen with tempo, making it lose two total moves (half a pawn in value), when Black will play ...Qh4 shortly afterwards with 5 pieces in play versus White's 3, leading to serious defensive problems. If you have any other opening video requests, feel free to drop your suggestions.
@@ErikKislikChessSuccess thank you. I wasn’t thinking about that knight b5. Im kinda just starting to understand openings but there are some many its hard to remember how to play them. I guess as white i usually play the vienna game or some queens pawn variation. As black i just try to play symmetrical if white challenges center. I really just strive to develop my pieces towards the center and castle. I have noticed i have a habit of trying to save my castle and go on the attack. Maybe a video of knowing when its right to castle or the Vienna
@@ErikKislikChessSuccess the whole point of G4, G5 is to prevent the blacks Kings knight from developing meanwhile black spends moves dealing with the white pawn on g5, which white would play either h4 or f4 depending on blacks immediate response to g5, if black takes pawn then take back continuing to control f6 and h6 preventing knight from developing
@Iamtherealcapen But Ne7-> something like f5 and then maybe be7 and there is a natural target. It's an interesting idea don't get me wrong, but don't get tunnel vision, black has other options. I'm not convinced making the knight develop via e7 gives enough compensation for extending the pawn structure so far forward.
@@theinacircleoftheancientpu492 its just a different opening, there is a draw back to it yes, but most people are not custom to the grob/polish opening and can become paralyzed very quickly if they make the wrong moves.
@Iamtherealcapen Oh absolutely, it makes for an interesting surprise weapon. The whole reason I am here is to understand it so I'm not surprised. But from what I can tell it's not "just another opening" it's a gamble that your opponent doesn't know how to deal with it. And if they do, you are in for a very unpleasant defence at best. That makes it objectively bad. I'm not saying you absolutely shouldn't play it, that depends on what you want, but if you want to improve as a player, you shouldn't mess around with it for long because it's not a good habit to knowingly make unprincipled moves.
The point of G4 is to get the pawn to G5 preventing the kings knight from developing, black focuses on getting rid of the pawn and you make moves that strengthen that pawn. Like pawn F4, or pawn H4, followed by knight F3, then D4 opening the light square bishop to the pawn on G5
@@iamtherealcapend based. G5 is one of the best attacking squares. The real purpose of the grob is to initiate that square early. For me I play knight F3, queen D4 (opening the bishop) and I move the rook to G1, castle queen side.
I just resigned a game I THOUGHT I lost my knight in. *1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 e5 3. c3 Nc6 4. Qb3 Be6 5. Qxb7 Na5 6. Qb5+* not seeing after 6...c6, the knight is defended by my queen when i was actually UP half a pawn because i got rattled by white's initiative. now to see if this is a gambit lovers kind of line. at my 1700 level, 2...Bg4 has bad results. after 3.c4, white scores 57:40 in 1 million 1600-2000 rated games.2...c6 is the strongest reply for amateurs at 47:50 in 527k games and is the ONLY line black has an edge in. 2...e5 scores a little better than your line too at my level. I THOUGHT claiming the center was the correct book move.
I also forgot crab opening is ultimately worse than all 3 because it weakens both queenside and kingside structure. Wastes 2 turns and doesn't control the center
Is this a troll comment? Grandmaster Larry Kaufman, Rybka and Komodo programmer, published that in a report more than 10 years ago. Why in the world would that sound dubious? That's one of the very few mathematical facts about chess that is both proven and perfectly logical when you understand it
Well, the Grob is like Scholars Mate. An opening that's intended to get an advantage based on the the opponent not knowing how to play against it. For a while Nakamura was playing 1. P-K4 P-K4 2. Q-R5 as a kind of handicap to show he could still outplay certain people who didn't fall for the trap. With the Grob, after 1. P-KN4 P-Q4 2. B-N2 BxP 3. P-QB4 P-QB3 4. Q-N3, Black is supposed to freak out over the possibility of QxP, and play something awful, like P-QN3. The problem is it's hard for Black to freak out sufficiently to wreck his game. After 4... Q-N3, Black is still a bit better. He's even slightly better after 4... PxP and B-B1. At least with the Scholar's Mate White wins if Black falls for it.
An interesting gambit vs. The Grob goes 1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 dxc4 4. Bxb7 Nd7 5. Bxa8 Qxa8 6. f3 e5 7. d4 -/+ The method I prefer is 1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 e5 3. h3 Nc6 4. d3 Be6 Black will castle long and play h5 and f6 in some order. Usually, the knight goes to g6 via e7. Black is better.
True it is a weak openning. When I have played it though I always thought that you are trying to lose the pawn on the G file, opening your kings rook, this coupled with a fianchetto dark square bishop. However this does work best if Black castles on the Kings side, which any decent player doesnt do, especially as Black naturally develops to castle on the Queens side. Also the white King can remain in the centre for a very long time!
I honestly think that g4 is not bad oppening, even facing these lines I menaged to win a lot of games, and for me I have a lot of fun playing this oppening!
@@nemetskiylager yeah, I honestly think people knowing they can just take g4 and develop with normal moves and be winning puts the Grob completely out of business lol
That's a good observation. I think at 5:14, I mention 9. Qxa7 Nf5, and there White can play 10. e3 to defend the d4 pawn. Black can then play 10. ...Nh4 11. Kf1 (for example) Bd6, with Black having six pieces in play versus three for White, with major developmental problems and issues with his king. After 11. ...Bd6, Black threatens ...Qg5 with a continuing attack. Objectively Black's attack is decisive.
I just played against it without the benefit of this video. It is a bit uncomfortable at first as it's difficult to get black's knights to good squares and castle on the queen side as the position is a bit cramped. Felt like my back was against the wall for most of the game because of, as you say, the "(nearly) endless attack". Play solidly however and white's attack will fizzle out and you can counterattack on the King's side, taking advantage of his weaknesses.
Yeah a "trap opening"..... as long as the opponent knows the trap, this opening is useless and extremely weak, it's evaluated by stockfish as the worst opening white can play.
Good question. Then I recommend 2. ...h5! 3. g5 e5 for Black. If you have any trouble in the Grob deviating from the lines given here, I'll point you in the right direction
There was a Stockfish game in the TCEC event recently starting with 1. g4 d5 2. e3. Now the best line is 2. ...Nc6 3. Nc3 h5 4. gxh5 e5 5. d4 Nf6 6. dxe5 Nxe5 7. Nf3 Rxh5. Black is positionally winning here because of White's weaknesses on the kingside and Black's lead in development.
the advantage of Grob is the game become interesting. If your oponente is weak the game will end quicky. if your oponent have the same game level than you probably you Will lost but you learn in the process. there is games where Magnus Carlsen play it with very Strong players and win and 1 game where he draw but almost lost against Grob. I play grob and is very fun but to win I prefer London System.
@@zwebzz9685 Can confirm. I played the Deutz gambit for a long time. It works until it doesn't and then you're screwed. Now I play the Giuoco Pianissimo instead and getting better at positional chess.
@@zwebzz9685 i hear you, but isn’t chess a game? If you aren’t having fun whats the point? IMO when you are sitting across from a real person (especially in rapid or blitz) having some opening variety from main lines is an advantage and fun for both players
@@zwebzz9685.There are videos all over the internet of GMs literally trolling with worse starts than this climbing to the top. Idk where this lecture about ego is coming from… did you lose to this opening and come here to learn to refute it or something?
@@thinker8286 1. g4 -1.50 is depth 42 on Stockfish 12. 1. f3 -.75 depth 40. The Grob is literally twice as bad by the numbers. 3 quarters of a pawn worse versus one and a half pawns worse.
@@beri4138 uh... are you disputing a well-researched factual claim with no evidence whatsoever? This isn't a low depth Stockfish evaluation which could potentially be wrong, and high depth Leela even agrees, as do correspondence games. Are you new to chess or something?
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I used to play the grob with some success, then stopped after running into terrible positions, but when it was played against me I kept forgetting how to punish it properly so this was useful.
Nice! I wanted to make it brief and helpful. White ends up with kingside weaknesses and some problems with developing the queenside, so Black is on top.
im sure Carlsen drew against it once
This is a technically "bad" opening, BUT when used against human opponent unfamiliar with it; a black player warry of traps may play too passively against it. I was just recently introduced to the Grob and not freaking out when white queen threatened my rook was key!
I have beaten players with this opening... g4, d5, g5...
The title of the video should be "1. g4 is the worst first move. Here's the proof." Very good! I'm inspired to refute it! Please play 1. g4 against me!
Thanks. Good luck in your games against 1. g4.
@@ErikKislikChessSuccess Not that we need it...
At 2:25 and at 3:20 I said "Black" instead of White talking a little bit too quickly.
Your refutation of the Grob is beautiful! Perfect
I learned to play chess when I was a little girl around age 4 with my Aunt Joy. I am now 63. Much of what I like today is what she brought to my life or what I have found useful in my life (not the same thing). She liked Leonard Cohen, he was a young man then; she liked Shakespear's writings, and other more modern writers, she understood the usefulness of chess.
It was back in 2015 that I learned that Briley Richmond liked to refer to chess. I remember him telling Sharon Dodds that I'd mastered the kings-pawn move and Sharon responded that she didn't know the game. I know he thought that I didn't. I don't play and surely didn't go the beach where they had set up a massive chessboard. My daughter's boyfriend, Conner, is somewhat of a chess master, I imagine he thinks I don't know the game either. I know it, I just don't care for public play.
Joy liked this poem, "The Boot, the Shoe, and Slipper" and had me memorize it. It has a great moral about what people see and what the value is - whether it's chess or something else.
I've never seen FM Mark the Duck play the grob this way.
2:00heres the point as f6 is a big mistake,in order to play qg3,white should capture the pawn after that play qg3 then enter the main line
I hadn't seen this clear refutation of 1. g4. What's hilarious is that on the side of this video there's a video titled "Killer Grob" by a 2100 player who isn't strong enough to understand logically and positionally why 1. g4 is a bad move (no offense intended. I don't know him personally, just trying to speak factually here). 1. g4 is actually the weakest move you can play with White, which is amazing: it doesn't fit into any other opening system if White tries to transpose back into something normal. It's even worse than 1. f3 e5 2. e3, which gives you a French Defense with ...f6 thrown in randomly, which isn't actually that bad.
It is a different opening that is very good if you play right... it is essentially a reverse polish.
@@iamtherealcapend play some training games?
@@iamtherealcapend It's not a reversed Polish because your king position is weakened, which does not occur in the Polish
@@aaronasher9800 that’s why you don’t play it on the king side, you play it on the queen side, B4, B5 which keeps black’s queen knight from being able to develop normally.
Stockfish plays g4. So, it means the first opening move really doesn't matter. It is the response to your opponent's move that matters.
I just played against a very terrible grob variation on Lichess. The guy didn’t know what he was doing and only played with the H rook and G knight, only bringing out his light square bishop when I was starting a checkmate sequence.
I played against a grob player today. I made every possible mistake, blundered a rook, and still won in the endgame lol.
I’d like to see you refute this opening if a titled player were to play it against you. Grob for life.
Thanks. This was very helpful. But you failed to mention a key trap! After 1.g4 d5 2.Bg2 Bxg4 3.c4 c6 4.Qb3 e6 5.cxd5, Black must play the counterintutive 5...exd5!, violating the maxim about capturing toward the center, since 5...cxd5?? 6.Qa4+ wins the bishop. ChessBase Online shows that a LOT of people fall into this trap. In this move order, 18 people played the correct 5...exd5!, while 7 (i.e 28%) blundered with 5...cxd5??. Another 31 blundered away their bishop by a different move order, I assume 4.cxd5 cxd5 first, and then 5.Qb3 e6?? In this case, they may think they're being clever, since 5.Qb3 Nf6! would allow 6.Qxb7 Nbd7 7.Bxd5. In fact 7.Bxd5?? would be a blunder because of 7...Rb8! 8.Qc6?? (defending the bishop) Rc8 and wins.
After watching this, my opponent played d4 on his second move 🤦♂️
Pawn G4, pawn D5, “pawn G5”, if pawn H6/F6, pawn F4, if pawn captures G5, recapture G5,
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Thank you for the reply. I thought my opponent was playing the Grob, but it merely turns out that he was a patzer.
1:59 Why would white move the queen there so early? Why not just capture the D5 pawn black is trying to defend with C6 with the C4 pawn, THEN move the queen to B3 after black recaptures it? Black still defending that pawn after that? Queen to A4 check, then grab the bishop.
4. cxd5 cxd5 5. Qb3 Nf6 6. Qxb7 Nbd7 7. Nc3 e6 is very good for Black in that case
What if white plays cxd5 before Qb3?
4. cxd5 cxd5 5. Qb3 Nf6 6. Qxb7 Nbd7 7. Nc3 e6 is very good for Black in that case
I hate those clueless people challenging the opening knowledge of an IM, people who blunder smothered mate in grob lines are probably 1200s. Go learn a real opening instead of trying to make Clemenz opening work or some shit.
3:40 how can you capture the d4 pawn with bf3 if whites bishop is on g2 still?
i came here after losing a game to grob.....this helped so muchhhh thank youu sir
Nice teardown of the Grob, thanks for sharing.
When you retreat the rook from c4 why dont you protect the pawn on A7 with rook to C7? The pawn is just hanging and i dont see why you wouldnt protect it. Am i missing something? Can someone please explain?
Good question. You are asking about 8. ...Rc8 at 3:05 in the video. The issue here is that after Rc7, the rook is unstable, meaning it can easily be chased away immediately, by the knight on a3 coming into b5 to attack it. Note that a tempo (a move in chess) is worth a quarter of a pawn, so if White goes in and takes the a7 pawn by 9. Qxa7 then 9. ...Bc5 hits White's queen with tempo, making it lose two total moves (half a pawn in value), when Black will play ...Qh4 shortly afterwards with 5 pieces in play versus White's 3, leading to serious defensive problems. If you have any other opening video requests, feel free to drop your suggestions.
@@ErikKislikChessSuccess thank you. I wasn’t thinking about that knight b5. Im kinda just starting to understand openings but there are some many its hard to remember how to play them. I guess as white i usually play the vienna game or some queens pawn variation. As black i just try to play symmetrical if white challenges center. I really just strive to develop my pieces towards the center and castle. I have noticed i have a habit of trying to save my castle and go on the attack. Maybe a video of knowing when its right to castle or the Vienna
What if after G4, he plays pawn G5?
Good question. Then we should play 2. ...e5 3. d4 exd4 4. Qxd4 Nc6.
@@ErikKislikChessSuccess the whole point of G4, G5 is to prevent the blacks Kings knight from developing meanwhile black spends moves dealing with the white pawn on g5, which white would play either h4 or f4 depending on blacks immediate response to g5, if black takes pawn then take back continuing to control f6 and h6 preventing knight from developing
@Iamtherealcapen
But Ne7-> something like f5 and then maybe be7 and there is a natural target.
It's an interesting idea don't get me wrong, but don't get tunnel vision, black has other options. I'm not convinced making the knight develop via e7 gives enough compensation for extending the pawn structure so far forward.
@@theinacircleoftheancientpu492 its just a different opening, there is a draw back to it yes, but most people are not custom to the grob/polish opening and can become paralyzed very quickly if they make the wrong moves.
@Iamtherealcapen Oh absolutely, it makes for an interesting surprise weapon. The whole reason I am here is to understand it so I'm not surprised.
But from what I can tell it's not "just another opening" it's a gamble that your opponent doesn't know how to deal with it. And if they do, you are in for a very unpleasant defence at best.
That makes it objectively bad. I'm not saying you absolutely shouldn't play it, that depends on what you want, but if you want to improve as a player, you shouldn't mess around with it for long because it's not a good habit to knowingly make unprincipled moves.
I had a friend of mine give me advice on the beating the Grob - "Make the ******* wish he'd never played g4".
The point of G4 is to get the pawn to G5 preventing the kings knight from developing, black focuses on getting rid of the pawn and you make moves that strengthen that pawn. Like pawn F4, or pawn H4, followed by knight F3, then D4 opening the light square bishop to the pawn on G5
@@iamtherealcapend I love when I see someone that truly understands the grob (specially the spike attack)
@@iamtherealcapend based. G5 is one of the best attacking squares. The real purpose of the grob is to initiate that square early. For me I play knight F3, queen D4 (opening the bishop) and I move the rook to G1, castle queen side.
I just resigned a game I THOUGHT I lost my knight in. *1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 e5 3. c3 Nc6 4. Qb3 Be6 5. Qxb7 Na5 6. Qb5+* not seeing after 6...c6, the knight is defended by my queen when i was actually UP half a pawn because i got rattled by white's initiative. now to see if this is a gambit lovers kind of line. at my 1700 level, 2...Bg4 has bad results. after 3.c4, white scores 57:40 in 1 million 1600-2000 rated games.2...c6 is the strongest reply for amateurs at 47:50 in 527k games and is the ONLY line black has an edge in. 2...e5 scores a little better than your line too at my level. I THOUGHT claiming the center was the correct book move.
It weakens kingside structure (crucial) and doesn't take any space in the center. Just as bad as kadas or clemenz
I also forgot crab opening is ultimately worse than all 3 because it weakens both queenside and kingside structure. Wastes 2 turns and doesn't control the center
Might as well just bongcloud it since there's no hope for castling when playing crab because both castlesides are weakened
What if on move 2 white plays h3?
Can you prove a pawn is worth 4 tempi? Sounds a bit dubious tbh
Is this a troll comment? Grandmaster Larry Kaufman, Rybka and Komodo programmer, published that in a report more than 10 years ago. Why in the world would that sound dubious? That's one of the very few mathematical facts about chess that is both proven and perfectly logical when you understand it
@@aaronasher9800 yeah somehow that made it sound even more dubious :D
Well, the Grob is like Scholars Mate. An opening that's intended to get an advantage based on the the opponent not knowing how to play against it. For a while Nakamura was playing 1. P-K4 P-K4 2. Q-R5 as a kind of handicap to show he could still outplay certain people who didn't fall for the trap.
With the Grob, after 1. P-KN4 P-Q4 2. B-N2 BxP 3. P-QB4 P-QB3 4. Q-N3, Black is supposed to freak out over the possibility of QxP, and play something awful, like P-QN3. The problem is it's hard for Black to freak out sufficiently to wreck his game. After 4... Q-N3, Black is still a bit better. He's even slightly better after 4... PxP and B-B1. At least with the Scholar's Mate White wins if Black falls for it.
wait so it's almost like a reverse London?
Grob is only good opening when you make a Coca-cola gambit.
An interesting gambit vs. The Grob goes
1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 dxc4 4. Bxb7 Nd7 5. Bxa8 Qxa8 6. f3 e5 7. d4 -/+
The method I prefer is
1. g4 d5 2. Bg2 e5 3. h3 Nc6 4. d3 Be6
Black will castle long and play h5 and f6 in some order. Usually, the knight goes to g6 via e7. Black is better.
True it is a weak openning. When I have played it though I always thought that you are trying to lose the pawn on the G file, opening your kings rook, this coupled with a fianchetto dark square bishop. However this does work best if Black castles on the Kings side, which any decent player doesnt do, especially as Black naturally develops to castle on the Queens side. Also the white King can remain in the centre for a very long time!
I honestly think that g4 is not bad oppening, even facing these lines I menaged to win a lot of games, and for me I have a lot of fun playing this oppening!
That's cuz your opponents were bad chess players
@@nemetskiylager yeah, I honestly think people knowing they can just take g4 and develop with normal moves and be winning puts the Grob completely out of business lol
during the 5m mark you discuss going after the d-pawn but dont mention anything about white playing e3 which seems natural.
That's a good observation. I think at 5:14, I mention 9. Qxa7 Nf5, and there White can play 10. e3 to defend the d4 pawn. Black can then play 10. ...Nh4 11. Kf1 (for example) Bd6, with Black having six pieces in play versus three for White, with major developmental problems and issues with his king. After 11. ...Bd6, Black threatens ...Qg5 with a continuing attack. Objectively Black's attack is decisive.
Awesome analysis!
Just played against this clown opening. I hadn't seen it before, so I mainly did standard Caro play. Absolutely obliterated him. So positionally weak.
H5, maybe its the best option ?
The grob may be a dubious opening, but if you have not seen it before, you will get caught out.
Thanks
You're welcome. I hope it helps.
Just lost an annoying game against this, thank you for providing me with the refutation.
Nice! It's funny when someone plays a tricky line, we don't know it, then we look it up and it's never tricky to us again.
Sure if you are an IM and u have studied tne opening.
bro, grob is for an endless attack opening, i know there is some weaknesses, but is such a trap opening, and i love it, but i respect ur opinion
2700s have lost against it, its playable but more trappy than anything else
I just played against it without the benefit of this video. It is a bit uncomfortable at first as it's difficult to get black's knights to good squares and castle on the queen side as the position is a bit cramped. Felt like my back was against the wall for most of the game because of, as you say, the "(nearly) endless attack". Play solidly however and white's attack will fizzle out and you can counterattack on the King's side, taking advantage of his weaknesses.
Yeah a "trap opening"..... as long as the opponent knows the trap, this opening is useless and extremely weak, it's evaluated by stockfish as the worst opening white can play.
So here is my problem with your video, when FM mark the duck plays it against WGM and wins
What if 2.h3?
Good question. Then I recommend 2. ...h5! 3. g5 e5 for Black. If you have any trouble in the Grob deviating from the lines given here, I'll point you in the right direction
After 2 e3 now what
There was a Stockfish game in the TCEC event recently starting with 1. g4 d5 2. e3. Now the best line is 2. ...Nc6 3. Nc3 h5 4. gxh5 e5 5. d4 Nf6 6. dxe5 Nxe5 7. Nf3 Rxh5. Black is positionally winning here because of White's weaknesses on the kingside and Black's lead in development.
the advantage of Grob is the game become interesting. If your oponente is weak the game will end quicky. if your oponent have the same game level than you probably you Will lost but you learn in the process. there is games where Magnus Carlsen play it with very Strong players and win and 1 game where he draw but almost lost against Grob. I play grob and is very fun but to win I prefer London System.
@@zwebzz9685 Can confirm. I played the Deutz gambit for a long time. It works until it doesn't and then you're screwed. Now I play the Giuoco Pianissimo instead and getting better at positional chess.
@@zwebzz9685 isn’t that a good thing? Rank up and face better players, then pick up stronger openings when you plateau.
@@zwebzz9685 i hear you, but isn’t chess a game? If you aren’t having fun whats the point? IMO when you are sitting across from a real person (especially in rapid or blitz) having some opening variety from main lines is an advantage and fun for both players
@@zwebzz9685.There are videos all over the internet of GMs literally trolling with worse starts than this climbing to the top. Idk where this lecture about ego is coming from… did you lose to this opening and come here to learn to refute it or something?
Most players don't know about this opening....
Bro talks shi about grob, when GM Ian almost lost to it by FM Omariev. The grob works untill 2k~ and is absolutely relentless.
its best for me
It's not terrible. It's fun. Stop ruining our fun.
The GROB is bad against computers for sure. For humans though......
the worst opening but one of the funniest
Barnes opening is the worst.
@@thinker8286 1. g4 -1.50 is depth 42 on Stockfish 12. 1. f3 -.75 depth 40. The Grob is literally twice as bad by the numbers. 3 quarters of a pawn worse versus one and a half pawns worse.
@@teamscandi5930 You know Stockfish isn't god right?
@@beri4138 uh... are you disputing a well-researched factual claim with no evidence whatsoever? This isn't a low depth Stockfish evaluation which could potentially be wrong, and high depth Leela even agrees, as do correspondence games. Are you new to chess or something?
Só digo uma coisa. ua-cam.com/video/bl12BJY5SFE/v-deo.html
Too fast for me 😔
Please see the moves on the side of the board or ask where you have questions for clarity.
At 1700 this opening WRECKS.
Wrecks at 2100 lol