Me and my Dad used to hide aluminum heads when I was a teen some 15 yrs ago just not to this degree lol but I Love Pontiac’s grew up around them I smile every time I see a Pontiac with a Pontiac engine still in it !!! great video
I feel the same way. I have a 72 Lemans with 89,000 on it. I have a complete 72 400 that I'll try to make look exactly stock. Gotta keep a Tin Indian in a Poncho.
And talking about hiding something to make it appear stock. Back in the 80's I built an engine for a stock car for racing on a dirt track. Rules said we had to run a 2 bbl carb, stock exhaust and flat top pistons. I owned an automotive machine shop at the time so I used a 400 small block, de-stroked it with a 350 crank, bored it .030 over. I had a set of double hump heads with 2.02 valves. I ported the heads and a stock 2 bbl intake to get maximum flow. I used a 500 Holley 2 bbl carb. But the trick I did was to angle mill .125 off of the exhaust side of the heads and to nothing on the intake side. I had to mill the intake also to match the changed angle of the heads. I can't tell you how much this raised the compression ratio but that engine was one of the best combinations I ever built. It would scream. I raced it in a 77 Camaro in 16 races and took 1st place 15 of the 16. It would have won 16 out of 16 but I was in lap traffic and they spun me out. By the time I got it restarted and back in the race, one car barely beat me to the finish line. I was offered way more than I thought it was worth after that so I got out of the circle track business....
I will be 60 years old in July Ed and I learn something everyday and I enjoy that aspect of living. What do they say ..learning is knowledge and knowledge is power
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I love it. Nothing like making people think something is "stock". Also hats off to you. Being brave And cutting on new heads for cosmetics. I understand (and have done) cutting in the sense of porting. You are one brave man And it looked good.
Nice Job ! I am 73, still build cars. Every day I still try to Learn something. Thanks for this video. Yes, I did learn. Keep on showing these tricks. Thanks again!!!
Some of my circle track friends tell me that adding a layer of iron fillings from a grinder into the paint base layers will make those aftermarket aluminum heads magnetic enough to fool the "magnet test" as in circle track it was supposed to be all "stock parts" on those engines.
Awesome NHRA《☆》I'm a big fan of Cardboard Aided Design as well👍🤓Don't even think about pulling out a pocket magnet as these X heads are non ferrous iron⛾[TOP SECRET]🤳Pontiac skunk works😎🎱☮🔊✌👍
Excellent site, I just joined because he said to do it but it was worth it. I appreciate the candid humor and he knows his stuff. Your cars are all very cool also. The heads look great and they would fool a lot of people, especially the export line of BS.
Laughing at myself. I always thought I was slick by swapping a rebuilt 400 into my 79 Formula in place of the 301 which was factory. You bring being sneaky to a totally different level.
@@superduty4556 Pontiac racers in my region were rather limited. I would pull up to where the car guys would hang out on the weekend and bait for the Mopar and Ford guys along with the IROC Z-28's. Occasionally I would run a late 80's Corvette (new during those years) but those guys were typically more interested in chasing legs than they were racing.
Good job ... great information. Thanks My grandfather has several super duty engines that were built by Smokey yunik and I know one or two engines have aluminum heads or all aluminum blocks I do know for sure he has 8 that are the winters 427 casting still in crates
@@The_Performance_Laboratory it's strange and weird that you message at this time of night I don't know where you're located I'm working on a 1971 Super Duty Firebird will replace the clutch what I meant to say on those aluminum heads they are GM castings that is Smokey yunick had made some of the 421 455 heads and other Oddball aluminum parts factory GM Smokey yunick get a lot of experimental pieces from what I was told by pops work for General Motors in the 50s and 60s and knew smokey yunick
I bought a car from a guy a few years ago. He told me one of his businesses was casting exact replicas of factory small block Ford heads in aluminum. Once they were painted he said the only way to tell was with a magnet. His customers were classic racers that were required to run factory heads. They wanted aluminum for the weight advantage and took the chance nobody would magnet test them. Those guys had high end classic race cars and had money to burn on cheater heads.
I was told a story when I was a teenager about spraying a glue onto aluminum heads, then using cast iron shaving sifted onto the glue. Let dry and paint them. This was also for local roundy round racing that required stock iron heads.
I was thinging of doing something too that sort with dart aluminum heads since they have the look of L88 /ZL1 heads but don't have the source. Now I do.
I had a 67 tempest with a 389 3 speed.the badges were 326 tho,by the time I'd had it a year I had found a wrecked 68 gto with a 400 ..sure wish I still had it ..1983 was a long time ago
I did the epoxy casting numbers and Chrysler pentastar on to a Weiand B engine four barrel intake manifold even though it had reversed upper and lower planes. The Edelbrock DP-4B has the coil mount on the opposite side than the factory.
Heehee I've learned a few tricks here and there over the years and I like this type of stuff. Since I'm commenting at the beginning, I hope he mentions using a piece of 24 or 36 grit sandpaper and a hammer to put the cast look back into a smooth surface 😁
Seems I always see something that reminds me of a story or experience I had. I was building an awesome 455 Pontiac for my 77 Trans Am. I had a set of ram air IV heads but didn't know what I was going to do on the exhaust side of them. While I was putting everything together, a friend came by and asked me if I was interested in buying a set of Hooker headers to fit these heads and car. I told him sure but they were way too much and I was going to have to figure something else out when the time came. He went out to his truck and came back with a brand new set of Hooker headers that he had just bought at a garage sale. He said an old man had them and didn't even know what they were much less what they fit. He offered the old man $10. dollars for them and the old man couldn't take his money fast enough. My friend brought them straight over to my shop and I tried to double his money on them but he insisted he only wanted what he paid for them.... How blessed can you get!!!!!
@@The_Performance_Laboratory Go ahead and shock me!!! lol... Ones I had came with the engine I bought from a guy that got caught with his mistress. He had receipts for little over $10,000. that he had in parts and machine work. He wasn't allowed to go back home because of a restraining order. He got me to go over and get the engine and some other things while his ex was gone. I pretty much broke into his house (ex house) and stole all his stuff. He told me how to break in... I had a truck load of things. All I kept was the engine and parts. And I gave him $500. for the complete engine.
I really appreciate the information. Many years ago when I was a kid I use to hang around a fellows shop that had a record holding Chev Monza . I think he told me that aluminum heads were good for a .5 compression ratio as far as pulling heat out of the chambers and being able to increase compression. If you don't mind going into the chamber design about quench and how different designs are better for detonation control . As far as I know cylinder head flow is key to making hp , The aluminum aftermarket heads must have given you a real advantage in making hp and earlier tq . I like to run solid roller lifters so I can change the lash and see what the motor responds to
I spend almost 2 weeks on combustion theory, with my lecture on detonation over an hour long just itself, so I can't cover much in a comment here. But, in general for NA engines, greater charge turbulence (from swirl, tumble or squish) will create a faster burn, which will be more resistant to detonation. Thanks for watching.
CAD - “cardboard assisted drawing”. That’s classic! The most successful class racers are almost always the most creative cheaters. So no one ever thought to put a magnet onto your heads?
I've seen the same sort of thing done on circle-track cars, only they give them a HEAVY coat of epoxy paint and rub them down with brake grindings. Give 'em a final coat of paint and voila, looks cast and a magnet sticks... PS.....I've never done it.....just sayin. ;-)
Great work. Agree with you about mean people sitting behind a keyboard saying whatever they want knowing there's no recourse. People just gotta lighten up. Stay safe and look forward to the next one.
the needle scaler works great on a number of things. i have welded cracks on aluminum 4 speed cases and factory hp intake manifolds you can change the tip shape to get different textures. heads look good if you didn't know better you would think there factory iron heads.
Wow. I was blown away by your ingenuity, your use of materials, the thought involved..... One has to wonder.......how much of this sort of thing actually takes place in NHRA stock/super stock or other classes where the rules state you must run certain stock parts but they use better aftermarket stuff disgusted as OEM. And somehow they get so good at it that it gets past the tech inspectors.......good video though
NHRA tech inspection of cylinder heads used to be very thorough when I raced in Stock. They could detect even just mild acid porting in the stock heads/intakes, so extremely unlikely that someone could get away with different heads disguised as stock. Plus they'd impound your stuff if it looked suspicious. Not sure what it's like out there now...
How did you roll up the JB Weld and then get it to stick to the heads to make the numbers? Seems like that if you let it harden enough to roll it up, it would be too hard to press into the head for adhesiveness. Thanks in advance, Jim
My first car in 84 was a 1972 pontiac cat! I still have my drag car from high school a 71 pont LeMans sport w/a 455 and 6x heads.This was really cool idea.What I really want to do a set of Ramair V heads!! There a a couple of places making them and no where near the cost of ORG castings.Keep up the great content
@@davidjohnson8474 Don at DCI is named Johnston... His top end starts around $5 to $6k, McCarthy's heads intake and cam, starts around $3500 and are more of a repop while the DCI heads are more race oriented.
@@davidjohnson8474 Here is McCarthy, well how to get in touch with them. lmc3470.wixsite.com/mccarty-racing/about This is Don's site. He is good people. www.dcimotorsports.com Really there is only one individual in the Pontiac world that I and others will advise you to avoid... BF in California. We've all had bad experiences with him, a few people like him, so its really up to you if you want to get stuff from him.
STRAIGHT from Pontiac high performance magazine. ONLY MAG that flow tested all stock Pontiac v8 heads. I WOULD kill to get my hand on that issue again.
Just a note on the intro...seeing a Mustang with the early '80s-ish Red n black Manitoba plate...they didn't run the Friendly Manitoba in red all that long! Went to all black text to save money back then.MPI...cheap bastards lol
Today I learned there is another crazy Pontiac guy doing Pontiac videos and making sleepers look stock.. So I learned something today. Subscribed of course. I like to run E85/E100, so I crank up the compression to the point the head gaskets scream for mercy. I like to use non corrugated cardboard, like cereal boxes since I don't eat frozen pizza. I'm going to have to do this for the round ports on the 461 in my 68 LeMans.. its a sleeper. I'm doing a low buck 'Judge" clone with it, but I am going to make the graphics say The Jerk. Ya know the chevy guys don't know the difference, they can't tell a 301 from an IAII block with RAV heads. That means all my cars re 301 powered of course. I might tack a dipstick tube behind the drivers side head just to pass it off easier.
@@The_Performance_Laboratory I have to drive two hours south to Wisconsin to fill 55 gallon drums at the pump. I daily drive my 65 GTO in the summer with an Icon flat top, 4.25" crank, 455, 670 heads, relatively small cam with a wide LSA that makes lots of cylinder pressure. It runs great and gets 15mpg with a 3.42 gear and a Th350 behind it for now. I go through three sometimes four drums a summer. A local gas station only 30 minutes away put in a tank and pump, so she will sell lots of it to the hotrodders up here. Ran one of my Qjets I convert to ethanol for a long time, Holleys and a Demon 850 too, right now it has a Fitech mean Street on it, but the snow and salt has it parked until May. Swapped the RPM for the T-II intake last year to see if there was a difference with the FiTech, still runs great. I've been doing the E85/E100 thing since 2007, so if you want some info to run it, let me know. I'm starting a video series on what I have found since its too damn cold to work in my shop right now. Look around on here to see where its closest to you if you want to run it. e85prices.com
@@SweatyFatGuy no E85 in Canada, yet. But I hope that some day we get it here so I subbed to watch your progress, and so I can see what you did to run it.
@@The_Performance_Laboratory I make E100 from maple tree sap, you can run it no problem with 180 to 195 proof, as long as you don't mix it with gasoline. To mix with gasoline you need a molecular sieve to get all the water out, and that adds expense to it. You still can mix it, but it will separate from the gasoline. VERY simple to make fuel, but it takes some space, apartments are not going to allow for much fuel, and of course the legal issues involved. I'm in far northern Michigan, south shore of Lake Superior, we get lots of people from Ontario and Alberta driving though here. Its sad Canada doesn't have the cheap race fuel at the pump like we do. It burns clean too, so if you run E100 in a fresh engine, it never gets the black carbon clogging everything. I got into making fuel and running E85 when gasoline was $5 a gallon here, no way I could afford to drive with it that high. Last summer E85 was $1.89, so it was cheap to fill three barrels with it. Maybe you could cross the border and fill up a tank in the bed of a pickup. If you do you want to wait until June so you get the highest % of ethanol. I'm working on a basic video giving information on the fuel itself, and because of people converting carbs I can only give a basic conversion other than Qjets. It would be uncool of me to give away the secrets Mark Sullens has for his Holley and Demon carbs. I can give people a starting point, and how to hit the AFR that gives best power or best mileage. Trying to have it done in a day or so. It takes me a while because I am new to the video editing and narration thing.
@@The_Performance_Laboratory by the way, do you know Dave Bishop at SD? He is in Canada. Out west. He did a set of 48s for me, man those things are awesome.
The "money shot" of the casting code at 4:54 was a real let down after all the buildup. Use plumber's putty or silicone to make a mold of the original casting numbers including the casting pad. Cast your own pad with numbers using JB Weld in the mold and adhere to the head with JB Weld after the cast part is cured. Wayyyy more realistic looking. Nice job on the ends of the heads though.
Some of my friends have done exactly as you described, to fake casting codes on cooler parts like intake manifolds, so that was my original plan too. But the high heat JB weld putty that I had to use on the hot exhaust ports didn't work well when I tried to "cast it".
I don’t like it..... I LOVE IT! I’ve thought about doing this on my old 440 Edelbrock CH4B intake manifold. Maybe making a cast of the Chrysler numbers and pentastar in JB Weld, grind off the Edelbrock and attach the ‘stock’ numbers. The needle gun is a great idea!
It’s funny all I did was paint some AFR heads Chevy orange just so it wasn’t so blatantly obvious and was scolded by most as they claim that the paint will hinder the advantage of aluminum heads on heat displacement. I didn’t agree and really didn’t care as I use race gas additive to keep my octane levels around 100 octane,it’s a little pricey but it’s cheaper then straight up race gas and the stuff ya get out the pump isn’t all that anyhow and with only 12:3.1 compression it’s not like I even need 112 octane. I like the whole factory look and it makes it fun when ya butter someone’s eye and they just sit confused on what just happened!
Nice job. I watched the other video of this car at the strip- that thing rips! I’d like to know the secrets hiding in the carburetors and/or intake manifold. I am building a tri power SBC and could apply some of your secrets to that if you’re willing to share.
Unported aluminum repro intake, 1 3/8" venturi center carb, jetted with a wideband, and modified powervalve spring for camshaft used. That's pretty much it.
There was a guy in Florida that re-popped the 1966 Tri-Power manifold in aluminum . They show up at swap meets occasionally , might be a good way to lose a few more lbs !
It's just stock Pontiac stuff. Enters it in stock eliminator. Gets sent straight to the tear down barn where they don't tear him down. Nope. They take one look it and proceed to throw him a beating. 😆
@@The_Performance_Laboratory was a joke. That is unless NHRA officials really started beating people up in the tear down barn. Then shit just got real. If that was the case I might start being a fan of NHRA again. Sounds hella entertaining. 😆
I thought about reproducing those, but I was in a bit of a hurry getting the engine in the car for Drag Week, and any hard core Pontiacer would know from the shape of the heads that something was up already.
Nice pontiac segment. So were those Chevy 454 rocker studs? That is what I ended up using. Also, what about the rear main seal? Did you stay with the rope seal?
Not sure about the studs, they were whatever came with the Edelbrock heads. I went through several iterations of rear main seals, the last being the one piece Viton BOP seal. But you really need to follow the directions to the letter...
@@The_Performance_Laboratory I hate the wax rope rear main of a pontiac. Leaked the day I started it. There is a tutorial on using a 454 rear main on a pontiac, but I had already built my block and just lived with the leak.
My current hot rod is a 95 s10., Built myself.theres a youtube channel if ya wanna chk it out..only 3 or 4 vids there.... "Old ridge runner race truck"
Me and my Dad used to hide aluminum heads when I was a teen some 15 yrs ago just not to this degree lol but I Love Pontiac’s grew up around them I smile every time I see a Pontiac with a Pontiac engine still in it !!! great video
I feel the same way. I have a 72 Lemans with 89,000 on it. I have a complete 72 400 that I'll try to make look exactly stock. Gotta keep a Tin Indian in a Poncho.
Reminds me of hollowing out old batteries for nitrous in old trucks
“Oh it’s just an old farm truck”
Hahahaha
And talking about hiding something to make it appear stock. Back in the 80's I built an engine for a stock car for racing on a dirt track. Rules said we had to run a 2 bbl carb, stock exhaust and flat top pistons. I owned an automotive machine shop at the time so I used a 400 small block, de-stroked it with a 350 crank, bored it .030 over. I had a set of double hump heads with 2.02 valves. I ported the heads and a stock 2 bbl intake to get maximum flow. I used a 500 Holley 2 bbl carb. But the trick I did was to angle mill .125 off of the exhaust side of the heads and to nothing on the intake side. I had to mill the intake also to match the changed angle of the heads. I can't tell you how much this raised the compression ratio but that engine was one of the best combinations I ever built. It would scream. I raced it in a 77 Camaro in 16 races and took 1st place 15 of the 16. It would have won 16 out of 16 but I was in lap traffic and they spun me out. By the time I got it restarted and back in the race, one car barely beat me to the finish line. I was offered way more than I thought it was worth after that so I got out of the circle track business....
I will be 60 years old in July Ed and I learn something everyday and I enjoy that aspect of living. What do they say ..learning is knowledge and knowledge is power
Stock APPEARING is always a good thing👀
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I love it. Nothing like making people think something is "stock".
Also hats off to you. Being brave And cutting on new heads for cosmetics.
I understand (and have done) cutting in the sense of porting.
You are one brave man And it looked good.
I miss my 1970 GTO... bought it off the showroom floor in Dallas. Put some Goodyear radials and woke that darling up. Sure miss it...
Well done. I am also a 'fan' of disguising aluminium heads. Have a safe and nice day all. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
Have we crossed paths at a speedway meeting?
Nice Job ! I am 73, still build cars. Every day I still try to Learn something. Thanks for this video. Yes, I did learn. Keep on showing these tricks. Thanks again!!!
Some of my circle track friends tell me that adding a layer of iron fillings from a grinder into the paint base layers will make those aftermarket aluminum heads magnetic enough to fool the "magnet test" as in circle track it was supposed to be all "stock parts" on those engines.
Beautiful job did that with a set of cast (289) heads for a 67 cougar build .You're fit and finished was a hell of a lot better than mine. Great job
"Country Engineer"...love it!!..Your "eyecrometer" must be calibrated to a fine measure...CAD.....Cardboard Aided Design!! HAHAHAHA...
This is why I have trust issues lol
That’s awesome!!!
Excellent stealth work! Thanks for showing your secret.
I just subscribed.
You really went to alot of work to maintain the stocking appearance.
Very nice work.
Thanks for your video.
Take care, Ed.
Awesome NHRA《☆》I'm a big fan of Cardboard Aided Design as well👍🤓Don't even think about pulling out a pocket magnet as these X heads are non ferrous iron⛾[TOP SECRET]🤳Pontiac skunk works😎🎱☮🔊✌👍
You sir. Are a dead-set legend. Love your work!! 🤣🤣👍👌
I’m a mopar guy.... & I gotta say , that was super cool. Nice job man 👍🏻
That was very sneaky but very good at the same time. Well done👍🏻
Excellent site, I just joined because he said to do it but it was worth it. I appreciate the candid humor and he knows his stuff. Your cars are all very cool also. The heads look great and they would fool a lot of people, especially the export line of BS.
Awsome look. Ive got a chev 355 9.5 comp vortex headed air gap intake in a jeep bat man black and it looks great i love the sleepers
Laughing at myself. I always thought I was slick by swapping a rebuilt 400 into my 79 Formula in place of the 301 which was factory.
You bring being sneaky to a totally different level.
Unless your formula was a 4 speed, you weren't fooling any Pontiac folks.
@@superduty4556 Pontiac racers in my region were rather limited. I would pull up to where the car guys would hang out on the weekend and bait for the Mopar and Ford guys along with the IROC Z-28's. Occasionally I would run a late 80's Corvette (new during those years) but those guys were typically more interested in chasing legs than they were racing.
Can you do the same type of work to my mother-in-law's toilet seat? I really want it to look totally "stock". The ergo one seems a little too comfy.
Great work, nice attention to detail.
Rad! I love stuff like this! I’d love to have some aluminum heads with just the camel humps. Beautiful work.
Trick Flow makes some
@@fivestar8337 yes sir, they did. They’re out of production atm.
I'll never trust print publications again !!!!!!! LOL Nice work.
Loved the video. I have always been into stock appearing but runs stronger than stock. I was an HPP subscriber till it was canceled. I miss it.
Now THIS. This is bad ass, it's like you went back in time to be with the wizards that found the loopholes in the racing rulebook. LOL
That’s pretty slick, bud. Subscribed.
Good job ... great information. Thanks
My grandfather has several super duty engines that were built by
Smokey yunik and I know one or two engines have aluminum heads or all aluminum blocks I do know for sure he has 8 that are the winters 427 casting still in crates
Very cool!
@@The_Performance_Laboratory it's strange and weird that you message at this time of night I don't know where you're located I'm working on a 1971 Super Duty Firebird will replace the clutch what I meant to say on those aluminum heads they are GM castings that is Smokey yunick had made some of the 421 455 heads and other Oddball aluminum parts factory GM Smokey yunick get a lot of experimental pieces from what I was told by pops work for General Motors in the 50s and 60s and knew smokey yunick
I bought a car from a guy a few years ago. He told me one of his businesses was casting exact replicas of factory small block Ford heads in aluminum. Once they were painted he said the only way to tell was with a magnet. His customers were classic racers that were required to run factory heads. They wanted aluminum for the weight advantage and took the chance nobody would magnet test them. Those guys had high end classic race cars and had money to burn on cheater heads.
I was told a story when I was a teenager about spraying a glue onto aluminum heads, then using cast iron shaving sifted onto the glue. Let dry and paint them. This was also for local roundy round racing that required stock iron heads.
Thats not a bad setup, good work
I was thinging of doing something too that sort with dart aluminum heads since they have the look of L88 /ZL1 heads but don't have the source. Now I do.
I had a 67 tempest with a 389 3 speed.the badges were 326 tho,by the time I'd had it a year I had found a wrecked 68 gto with a 400 ..sure wish I still had it ..1983 was a long time ago
I did the epoxy casting numbers and Chrysler pentastar on to a Weiand B engine four barrel intake manifold even though it had reversed upper and lower planes. The Edelbrock DP-4B has the coil mount on the opposite side than the factory.
Excellent advice at the end of your video.
I’m sure all the local track officials hate you lol. Awesome work
Heehee I've learned a few tricks here and there over the years and I like this type of stuff.
Since I'm commenting at the beginning, I hope he mentions using a piece of 24 or 36 grit sandpaper and a hammer to put the cast look back into a smooth surface 😁
thank you did know JB was that strong I have Edelbrock's heads and need something to cover it up
I specifically used the "high heat" JB Weld, and it's held up fine so far (5+ years).
Cool video! I also enjoy learning something new every single day!!
Subscribed.
... mainly because I want to do this on my Cleveland if the PAVTEK 2v route doesn't work out.
Seems I always see something that reminds me of a story or experience I had. I was building an awesome 455 Pontiac for my 77 Trans Am. I had a set of ram air IV heads but didn't know what I was going to do on the exhaust side of them. While I was putting everything together, a friend came by and asked me if I was interested in buying a set of Hooker headers to fit these heads and car. I told him sure but they were way too much and I was going to have to figure something else out when the time came. He went out to his truck and came back with a brand new set of Hooker headers that he had just bought at a garage sale. He said an old man had them and didn't even know what they were much less what they fit. He offered the old man $10. dollars for them and the old man couldn't take his money fast enough. My friend brought them straight over to my shop and I tried to double his money on them but he insisted he only wanted what he paid for them.... How blessed can you get!!!!!
You'd be shocked if I told you how little I paid for my Ram Air IV heads from a Ford guy at a swap meet years ago...
@@The_Performance_Laboratory Go ahead and shock me!!! lol... Ones I had came with the engine I bought from a guy that got caught with his mistress. He had receipts for little over $10,000. that he had in parts and machine work. He wasn't allowed to go back home because of a restraining order. He got me to go over and get the engine and some other things while his ex was gone. I pretty much broke into his house (ex house) and stole all his stuff. He told me how to break in... I had a truck load of things. All I kept was the engine and parts. And I gave him $500. for the complete engine.
@@dannywilsher4165 $40, Cdn
@@The_Performance_Laboratory WOW!!! Awesome!!!
I really appreciate the information. Many years ago when I was a kid I use to hang around a fellows shop that had a record holding Chev Monza . I think he told me that aluminum heads were good for a .5 compression ratio as far as pulling heat out of the chambers and being able to increase compression. If you don't mind going into the chamber design about quench and how different designs are better for detonation control . As far as I know cylinder head flow is key to making hp , The aluminum aftermarket heads must have given you a real advantage in making hp and earlier tq . I like to run solid roller lifters so I can change the lash and see what the motor responds to
I spend almost 2 weeks on combustion theory, with my lecture on detonation over an hour long just itself, so I can't cover much in a comment here. But, in general for NA engines, greater charge turbulence (from swirl, tumble or squish) will create a faster burn, which will be more resistant to detonation. Thanks for watching.
CAD - “cardboard assisted drawing”. That’s classic! The most successful class racers are almost always the most creative cheaters. So no one ever thought to put a magnet onto your heads?
Just to be clear, this car was never run in any class. My Mustang was the NHRA class car.
I've seen the same sort of thing done on circle-track cars, only they give them a HEAVY coat of epoxy paint and rub them down with brake grindings. Give 'em a final coat of paint and voila, looks cast and a magnet sticks...
PS.....I've never done it.....just sayin. ;-)
I am 58 love GM cars and learned alot thanks
Great work. Agree with you about mean people sitting behind a keyboard saying whatever they want knowing there's no recourse. People just gotta lighten up. Stay safe and look forward to the next one.
the needle scaler works great on a number of things. i have welded cracks on aluminum 4 speed cases and factory hp intake manifolds you can change the tip shape to get different textures. heads look good if you didn't know better you would think there factory iron heads.
It's also great for peening your cast iron right after you weld it to keep cracks from forming. And old farm truck frames lol.
That's awesome Ed ! Thanks for sharing
Did he just compress a TON of time and work into a 9 min video? I think I’ll subscribe and give this video a like just for that kind of dedication.
Great video Ed.
Love it great work and content Thank You . Best Wishes
Round ports for life
Wow. I was blown away by your ingenuity, your use of materials, the thought involved.....
One has to wonder.......how much of this sort of thing actually takes place in NHRA stock/super stock or other classes where the rules state you must run certain stock parts but they use better aftermarket stuff disgusted as OEM. And somehow they get so good at it that it gets past the tech inspectors.......good video though
NHRA tech inspection of cylinder heads used to be very thorough when I raced in Stock. They could detect even just mild acid porting in the stock heads/intakes, so extremely unlikely that someone could get away with different heads disguised as stock. Plus they'd impound your stuff if it looked suspicious. Not sure what it's like out there now...
Great info! Thanks for sharing
How did you roll up the JB Weld and then get it to stick to the heads to make the numbers? Seems like that if you let it harden enough to roll it up, it would be too hard to press into the head for adhesiveness. Thanks in advance, Jim
My first car in 84 was a 1972 pontiac cat! I still have my drag car from high school a 71 pont LeMans sport w/a 455 and 6x heads.This was really cool idea.What I really want to do a set of Ramair V heads!! There a a couple of places making them and no where near the cost of ORG castings.Keep up the great content
Don at DCI would get a kick out of your last name, and Lynn would gladly sell you a set of his Vs. I want a set from either of those guys.
Lol why my last name? I wonder how much V's would cost?
@@davidjohnson8474 Don at DCI is named Johnston... His top end starts around $5 to $6k, McCarthy's heads intake and cam, starts around $3500 and are more of a repop while the DCI heads are more race oriented.
@@SweatyFatGuy Ahh lol cool
@@davidjohnson8474 Here is McCarthy, well how to get in touch with them.
lmc3470.wixsite.com/mccarty-racing/about
This is Don's site. He is good people.
www.dcimotorsports.com
Really there is only one individual in the Pontiac world that I and others will advise you to avoid... BF in California. We've all had bad experiences with him, a few people like him, so its really up to you if you want to get stuff from him.
Artist at work
STRAIGHT from Pontiac high performance magazine. ONLY MAG that flow tested all stock Pontiac v8 heads. I WOULD kill to get my hand on that issue again.
That is some mad trickery right there. Too good to call it cheating.
Great video Ed, very interesting. 👍🏻
Just a note on the intro...seeing a Mustang with the early '80s-ish Red n black Manitoba plate...they didn't run the Friendly Manitoba in red all that long! Went to all black text to save money back then.MPI...cheap bastards lol
Awesome now you see me now you don't beautiful job.
Beautiful work.
Today I learned there is another crazy Pontiac guy doing Pontiac videos and making sleepers look stock.. So I learned something today. Subscribed of course. I like to run E85/E100, so I crank up the compression to the point the head gaskets scream for mercy.
I like to use non corrugated cardboard, like cereal boxes since I don't eat frozen pizza. I'm going to have to do this for the round ports on the 461 in my 68 LeMans.. its a sleeper. I'm doing a low buck 'Judge" clone with it, but I am going to make the graphics say The Jerk. Ya know the chevy guys don't know the difference, they can't tell a 301 from an IAII block with RAV heads. That means all my cars re 301 powered of course. I might tack a dipstick tube behind the drivers side head just to pass it off easier.
Wish we had E85 here...
@@The_Performance_Laboratory I have to drive two hours south to Wisconsin to fill 55 gallon drums at the pump. I daily drive my 65 GTO in the summer with an Icon flat top, 4.25" crank, 455, 670 heads, relatively small cam with a wide LSA that makes lots of cylinder pressure. It runs great and gets 15mpg with a 3.42 gear and a Th350 behind it for now. I go through three sometimes four drums a summer.
A local gas station only 30 minutes away put in a tank and pump, so she will sell lots of it to the hotrodders up here.
Ran one of my Qjets I convert to ethanol for a long time, Holleys and a Demon 850 too, right now it has a Fitech mean Street on it, but the snow and salt has it parked until May. Swapped the RPM for the T-II intake last year to see if there was a difference with the FiTech, still runs great.
I've been doing the E85/E100 thing since 2007, so if you want some info to run it, let me know. I'm starting a video series on what I have found since its too damn cold to work in my shop right now.
Look around on here to see where its closest to you if you want to run it. e85prices.com
@@SweatyFatGuy no E85 in Canada, yet. But I hope that some day we get it here so I subbed to watch your progress, and so I can see what you did to run it.
@@The_Performance_Laboratory I make E100 from maple tree sap, you can run it no problem with 180 to 195 proof, as long as you don't mix it with gasoline. To mix with gasoline you need a molecular sieve to get all the water out, and that adds expense to it. You still can mix it, but it will separate from the gasoline.
VERY simple to make fuel, but it takes some space, apartments are not going to allow for much fuel, and of course the legal issues involved. I'm in far northern Michigan, south shore of Lake Superior, we get lots of people from Ontario and Alberta driving though here.
Its sad Canada doesn't have the cheap race fuel at the pump like we do. It burns clean too, so if you run E100 in a fresh engine, it never gets the black carbon clogging everything.
I got into making fuel and running E85 when gasoline was $5 a gallon here, no way I could afford to drive with it that high. Last summer E85 was $1.89, so it was cheap to fill three barrels with it. Maybe you could cross the border and fill up a tank in the bed of a pickup. If you do you want to wait until June so you get the highest % of ethanol.
I'm working on a basic video giving information on the fuel itself, and because of people converting carbs I can only give a basic conversion other than Qjets. It would be uncool of me to give away the secrets Mark Sullens has for his Holley and Demon carbs. I can give people a starting point, and how to hit the AFR that gives best power or best mileage.
Trying to have it done in a day or so. It takes me a while because I am new to the video editing and narration thing.
@@The_Performance_Laboratory by the way, do you know Dave Bishop at SD? He is in Canada. Out west. He did a set of 48s for me, man those things are awesome.
The "money shot" of the casting code at 4:54 was a real let down after all the buildup. Use plumber's putty or silicone to make a mold of the original casting numbers including the casting pad. Cast your own pad with numbers using JB Weld in the mold and adhere to the head with JB Weld after the cast part is cured. Wayyyy more realistic looking. Nice job on the ends of the heads though.
Some of my friends have done exactly as you described, to fake casting codes on cooler parts like intake manifolds, so that was my original plan too. But the high heat JB weld putty that I had to use on the hot exhaust ports didn't work well when I tried to "cast it".
Nice work
Wonderful! I really liked your video, sleeping the sleeper seekers....
Great project thanks very convincing
Its nice to be nice to the nice.
Outstanding!
I don’t like it..... I LOVE IT! I’ve thought about doing this on my old 440 Edelbrock CH4B intake manifold. Maybe making a cast of the Chrysler numbers and pentastar in JB Weld, grind off the Edelbrock and attach the ‘stock’ numbers. The needle gun is a great idea!
HAVE YOU CHECKED OUT THE "440 STEALTH HEADS" FROM THE 440 SOURCE ?
@@willychromoga5929 Yeah, they are a sleepers dream!
Great video! You are a genius. You need to share some more info with all of us Pontiac guys lol
Where's that video, kid?
@@johnwilburn you need to work for the fbi, you can find me on any comment thread lol
@@dakotastimeout2827 If I worked for the FBI, they would have gone back to 9mm 20 years ago and the Bidens would be in jail!
@@johnwilburn take a look at my channel now
@@dakotastimeout2827 Watched, liked, and commented. Good job.
It’s funny all I did was paint some AFR heads Chevy orange just so it wasn’t so blatantly obvious and was scolded by most as they claim that the paint will hinder the advantage of aluminum heads on heat displacement. I didn’t agree and really didn’t care as I use race gas additive to keep my octane levels around 100 octane,it’s a little pricey but it’s cheaper then straight up race gas and the stuff ya get out the pump isn’t all that anyhow and with only 12:3.1 compression it’s not like I even need 112 octane. I like the whole factory look and it makes it fun when ya butter someone’s eye and they just sit confused on what just happened!
That was pretty legit
Nice job. I watched the other video of this car at the strip- that thing rips! I’d like to know the secrets hiding in the carburetors and/or intake manifold. I am building a tri power SBC and could apply some of your secrets to that if you’re willing to share.
Unported aluminum repro intake, 1 3/8" venturi center carb, jetted with a wideband, and modified powervalve spring for camshaft used. That's pretty much it.
Excellent ! That's beautiful !
Loved it !!!!
Looks good I would have never known
Export parts is the best part
There was a guy in Florida that re-popped the 1966 Tri-Power manifold in aluminum . They show up at swap meets occasionally , might be a good way to lose a few more lbs !
Way ahead of you Russ... only the block is iron on that engine (crap, there goes another secret!).
Thats awsome 👍 great job
Now, how to disguise 2GR-FE as a 3S-GE in an MR2 to pass a tech inspection?
That's cool stuff. Thanks. 👍
Love it, very creative.
Super Stealth job !! It's got a lot of Lifter clack goin on !! Is that solid Lifters ?
Thanks. Hydraulic lifters, but this valvetrain combination is known to be a bit noisy when cold.
Big block mopar get 440 source stealth heads.
Thats just badd ass
Cool video, thanks!
Sneaky sneaky!
A racer friend of mine used to say win if you can lose if you must but all ways cheat
It's just stock Pontiac stuff. Enters it in stock eliminator. Gets sent straight to the tear down barn where they don't tear him down. Nope. They take one look it and proceed to throw him a beating. 😆
The GTO was never built for NHRA Stock. That was my Mustang.
@@The_Performance_Laboratory was a joke. That is unless NHRA officials really started beating people up in the tear down barn. Then shit just got real. If that was the case I might start being a fan of NHRA again. Sounds hella entertaining. 😆
That looks like a 428 Pancho to me . Could be in disguise , who would know?
It's a bit bigger than that ;)
😎 awesome!
Interesting....you forgot the screw heads on both sides of “X 093”
I thought about reproducing those, but I was in a bit of a hurry getting the engine in the car for Drag Week, and any hard core Pontiacer would know from the shape of the heads that something was up already.
Looks great 😉👌
Nice pontiac segment. So were those Chevy 454 rocker studs? That is what I ended up using. Also, what about the rear main seal? Did you stay with the rope seal?
Not sure about the studs, they were whatever came with the Edelbrock heads. I went through several iterations of rear main seals, the last being the one piece Viton BOP seal. But you really need to follow the directions to the letter...
@@The_Performance_Laboratory I hate the wax rope rear main of a pontiac. Leaked the day I started it. There is a tutorial on using a 454 rear main on a pontiac, but I had already built my block and just lived with the leak.
On aluminum heads specifically, would removal of material compromise cooling?
Thinner walls transfer more heat - all else being equal.
Very clever
My current hot rod is a 95 s10.,
Built myself.theres a youtube channel if ya wanna chk it out..only 3 or 4 vids there....
"Old ridge runner race truck"
Very cool. How does that car run ?
Looks like 11.27 at 120!
Do one on how to re-stamp illegal pistons to nhra approved pistons. Haha, nobody does that though....