Ukraine divided over controversial mobilisation bill • FRANCE 24 English
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2024
- Can Ukraine recruit enough soldiers to maintain its defence against Russia? This week, parliament is expected to debate a new version of an already-delayed mobilisation bill. After almost two years of war, the men sent to the front line are exhausted. Most Ukrainian soldiers have had fewer than 10 days' leave in the past year. The mobilisation bill proposes limiting military service to three years, but also reducing the conscription age from 27 to 25 and tightening penalties for those who fail to register. The legislation is proving divisive in Ukraine, as our correspondent Gulliver Cragg reports.
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I can't believe that the FRANCE 24 reported this!? Imagine how bad the situation really is if they showed this?
I don't believe it too!
Yes shocked to see this,this is against their narrative than ukraine is winning easy and russia is losing
It's because France wants to end it. Same with UK. They don't want to give anymore weapons. They want to cut Zelensky off they sense Ukraine is not far away from collapsing on all front. This is how it all works. Your best and most trained men die, then the bravest recruits grow into competent soldiers, then they get killed/wounded and then you only have old boomers wanting to fight, with rest of the young men not wanting to die.
The reporting is very accurate, not underplayed or exaggerated. Saying this as male living in Ukraine.
@@Kite-te9km
I checked a little bit and unsurprisingly most of the footage presented in this report as (assumingly) current, was actually made back in November-December. Obviously there's no way to find out when the "anonymous" guy was sharing his thoughts with the FRANCE 24 crew but you get the main trick they (mis)use 😆 😂
that is how a democracy works
Ukraine isn't a Democracy by any stretch of the wildest imagination.
What is the alternative when you're fighting for the very existence of your country and people?
@@GDB11 LOL They had a choice not to have a war. They throw it away. All the regions under Russian control live and work without problem. They even can travel outside Russia 🤣
@@GDB11Russians and Ukrainian are not enemies. Please use your brain before posting. The real enemy is the UN and US government.
@@GDB11 there are 5 million ukranians living in Russia since the war.
I’d believe the guy on the street more than the volunteer soldiers that give you the “friendly” guided tour. Doesn’t seem like things are going well for Ukraine of this mass mobilization is so controversial?
I've heard stories that they've taken ppl who have injuries , and or sickness. They just want bodies to throw into the machine!!
Almost as if they have been seeing and recording press gangs forcing people into unmarked vans for the past 9 months or so. Conscription is never the answer. Forcing men to fight against their will, to kill other human, is itself inhumane. I'd rather fight against a government that does that.
Oh the truth is coming out.
tell me the truth then 🤔
The Truth Hurts 🤕🤢
Maxim will survive, that‘s important. Smart man.
This wasn't admitted from the onset and now all the various Channels are admitting this openly. Imagine the number of men who have died because they never had adequate training. So sad.😞
And they have no intentions to negotiate, so they will just keep fighting a war they can't win until there's not a single Ukrainian left alive and then lose anyways?
they are cheap cannon fodder for the West
I dont know if ur watching the same war but Ukrainian soldiers casualties are way way lower then Russian causalties and even the Ukraninian civilian causalties are so low even after 2 years of fighting that its lower then the Israely and hamas war.
@@ThePhantom712this just shows how Russia deliberately avoid targeting civilian areas.. if it was America, USA would have killed millions of Ukrainians by now..just like what happen in Iraq.
Anyways, respect for Russia from India.
@@ThePhantom712 there is absolutely no way you believe that. Holy sh1t, how naive are you?
Yeah, especially when they are busy dying for US and UK interests. The worst type of death is to die foolishly.
These poor men 😢. ☮️
And very soon women too
@@arthurrobinson2932 and dont forget the children
@@joelrios3704and don't ever forget about pets like goldfish and little kitty cats
The best example is Zelensky must go to the frontline
He has been there multiple times.
@@downstream0114*Shut up. He went there when there was no fierce battle, took selfies sent to Joe Biden, Ursula Von Der Witch to keep milking the West off their hard earned money.*
@@downstream0114and russian artillery immediately stopped shoooting when Zelenski came there😂
He is busy shopping in New York probably
Dont make them fight if they dont want to😢
Then its over...
@@operator9858as it should be!
@@poppystars9005 ya taking it this far when they knew they werent going to make it has been the worst part of this whole thing imo...
@@operator9858 for me the worst part is that Boris Johnson told the Ukranians to refuse negotiations and a peace treaty, but do sensless war instead. How can this man still walking around on free foot??
@@user-hv6ql3bp4f UA had a peace deal already on the way. USA and UK did not allow this.
I hope they don't get caught. War sucks :(
They are dying by the thousands
Get caught is better than get killed.
Former Zelensky's advisor Alexey Arestovich in his interview a month ago: "In the Ukrainian army today up to 70% of soldiers refuse to carry out their orders and we are losing a whole military brigade every month due to the widespread desertion".
Trust me bro.
If that was true, the war would be over.
Would like to know Arestovich's source, as well as recent tax records. If he's a former advisor, why would he still have access to such highly classfied military data?
@sprites4ever482 well he was among the top-10 most influential Ukrainian politicians just a year ago and basically used to be a spokesman for the Ukrainian military so I would say his words are at least carrying some weight.
lol Arestovich is a nobody
They still believe they're gonna win, so naive
Defense continues even if they don't believe in victory.
Ukraine should have never been a proxy for the US
Russia invaded Ukraine, Ukraine defends itself, US rightfully helps it to do so. Russia is on the path of turning into a Chinese proxy
No, and it isn't you'll be happy to hear. Not like parts of the Donbas are disguised as Russia.
@@ebbeb9827 US was instigating this war... ukraine served as it´s proxy
They weren't.
jus sra elites oposo
People shouldn't believe what they see, as many actors are filmed to keep the moral going for Westerners and to keep supporting Ukraine with their hard earned taxes ....
🤡🤡🤡
@@thegoat11111🎪🎪🎪
Mad, mad, mad world...
Don't trust the American 😅😅😅
The thing is that cast majority of common ukies never gave a damn about politics, the revolt of 2014 was made by assressive minority
Choosing the path in the army also doesn't work even if you go by yourself. I knew one person who joined army by his own initiative instead of being forcibly drafted in the streets. Since the beginning he wanted to become a military doctor, but he was labeled as a normal soldier instead... I am not going to lie and to dispel the myth, he was adequately trained for a couple of months before being fully prepared. Unfortunately, after a year of the service, he died in a battle two months ago...
LIAR. To be a military doctor you need to be an actual doctor and being a ACTUAL doctor bars you from conscription.
I'm sorry to hear that. But to be honest - nobody is "adequately" trained in a couple of months.
@@matovicmmilanYeah there are so many tactics and skills one needs to attain if you are to be confident in whatever you do.
I'm sorry you lost your friend.
As a Ukrainian, I can confirm that your words are true!
Here's a recent news item: Two drone operators were thrown into the assault as infantry and they died - military journalist Yuriy Butusov.
Conscription is a poor way of fielding an army. If your soldiers ain’t motivated then they slack off, don’t follow orders, mutiny, and surrender first chance. If someone doesn’t want to fight then you can’t really force them.
100%. I'd rather fight a government that would force me to die against my will, than to play their game.
USA, Britain and USSR conscripted yet won
@@CheckChannelDescriptionForTag yeah so did Italy and Iraq, what's your point. Most countries in their history have conscripted people. There is still a huge difference in someone willingly walking to the conscription office with or without a summons or being dragged off in a van in what most people would call a kidnapping.
There's a lot more than fighting roles that need conscripts.
let who hate russian fight, let others live their life
but forkahzaria projet it is problemo
Do these people not realise life is most precious? Would you give up your house or give up your life to protect your family against impossible odds?
yes, i would
@@4TwentyFour20go to the frontline 😂 hero 🦸♀️
@@khorshed1227 if MY country calls on me, i'll be there
The question is framed wrong, would you sacrifice your children or father or lover for a piece of land, your loved ones more important than any land, it's possible to get back land later, but life once gone is gone
@@4TwentyFour20I definitely hope your country values its people more than its land and make decisions diplomatically
😢 Who will take responsibility for thousands and thousands Ukrainian young guy. Life ,, EU ? 😭
boris johnson but only if ukrinian take him someday
Hmm why suddenly equality just throw out of the window ?
Usually a soldier can expect a year of training. Ukrainians cant expect even a quarter of this...
Ukrainians have been training since 2014
@@thegoat11111 those troops are long gone. Heck the replacements that came after them are gone too. Ukraine is trying to build its 4th army.
What democratic way to fight the war nice
Time to start sending volunteers from UK
😂😂😂UK don't even have enough soldiers for their country
Foreign volunteers are accepted. But we have seen the videos and it does not look like fun.
@@siphofunnykhosa9871 What country does? Modern life is fun, you have jobs everywhere with decent working hours after that you can go out or stay home and watch Netflix, why would you pick a military career and spend whole life in the barracks in 2024?
They had many volunteers from UK at the start of the conflict. Some died, and some returned home when they realised they were fighting a well equipped enemy and not some men in sandals with AK-47s as their best weapon.
May peace prevail throughout the world.
@@libertyinperil520 take the tinfoil out dude theres no cheese men in the moon either or aliens lol
@@fpvDRE so you're in charge?
where are femists to fight for equality ? i recon if xxi is a century of equality women should also be in the army as well pesnion age should be same like man
present when there is something to gain
They are working as escorts in Europe and Dubai
Ukraine has 19% women in government, and 6% in the cabinet of ministers, 2 diplomats, and even there it's some "social support ministry sh---", so they're not the one who made all decisions about military situation and peace negotiations
Sending untrained men and women to the front lines is a very bad sign for Ukraine. Game is up. Negotiations needed now.
You are winning you can do it ...uncle Bidan and NAFOS says so
A couple months training is nothing, even to be a good at a sports it takes a year, competing with guys in russia who had many years of training is suicide 😢
the thing is most russians didn't have many years of training who are fighting, russia literally took a lot of it's soldiers from prisons and many 18-20 year olds who have had no real experience. Russians have lost more men than Ukraine, it's horrible on both ends.
Come on. You never train conscripts for years. They don't serve that long in peacetime. They don't live that long in wartime. Conscripts are just gristle for the meat grinder.
@@andresadamson1192 i still have doubts russia has higher losses considering they have a 7-1 fire advantage
Dude, even Ukranian soldiers tell that Russian forces are better equipped and trained than them
Where are You getting data about casualties? Both Ukraine and Russia hide that information
Cnn told You?
@@andresadamson1192 russia lose more convict than their trained personnel. and this is not looking good for ukraine as they are facing an well rested and well coordinated russian army/volunteer.
So what has happened to so called human rights? Anyone still believes that Ukraine is a democracy??😂
EU should help these men who don't want to fight, give them asylum, offer them safe exit from this nightmare and Ukraine. These people wait our help. Why should they die only because their leaders made bad choice and decided to have war with Russia instead of negotiations?
its half of population bro. Ukraine will fail as country if it will happend
Is that a joke ? You are funny guy......seriously ? lol ....NEGOTIATIONS ......HA HA so funny............. lol !
EU is already giving them temporary protection, Ukraine doesn't let them out (with rare exceptions)
Obviously you do not know why this war broke out 😐. The west abandoned peaceful solution to many severe problems in Ukraine concerning safty and rights of russian speaking minority and to problems concerning Russian's own safety. @@3markaw That is the truth.
very tight and concise reporting here
I live in Denmark, and I wouldn't fight for this country EITHER, despite my army training.... There are ALWAYS people, who would rather SELL their country, than fight for it.
Seems to me … that I understand that you won’t fight for ‘this country’ and then afterwards you say there are people who rather sell their country, then fight for it. It seems to be very contradictory
@@bullerfnis1961lol it's amazing how people like you, think hypocrisy is standard in our world.
Thank u for telling all of us that u are coward.
In an ideal world we should fight against oppression m even if its against someone’s own country
@@bullerfnis1961 Yea, I would take money, sell copenhagen to sweden....
I would NOT fight to save Denmark.... I would just move to florida instantly.
This is the state of the EU, and my nation.
I don't even feel I HAVE a nation... It has taken 20+ years, but they have STRIPPED me of any love for this place.
The population of Ukraine is about 30m. Zaluzhny asked to draft 500k. Where are these people who chose to fight, why do they need to be caught on the streets?
Many man have died there and the media won't report this that is why they can't even get 5000 man now
Think it might be less than that now.
I mean, would you willingly board what increasingly looks like a sinking ship?
alleged, that's funny, you could clearly see it in videos, all over the internet.
Ukraine should be divided over the map and end this useless war
How long will you be involved in making money for the US?
Mr Putin is the richest man in Russia, a fact regularly ignored by peoiple who imagine hat he sacrifices himself for the good of his people.
Stupid assertions, they protect their country.
Don't forget zelensky!!!
@@MarincaGheorghe 🤣 even USA politician admit It is all about money. Their country would be safer inside mother Russia.
Wow that was a quick turn around finally they r report some accurate news
Almost half of a million Ukrainian guys died on the battle field achieving nothing... How many does Europe need more?!? Calculate some imaginary number of screaming agony, excruciating pain, horrible consequences of those guys and a particular amount of that number will be paid by y'all... Since you took a part in this madness therefore you are accountable as well!!! It's the same as with law "Ignorance of the law is not an excuse"! So if you do NOT know how life works THAT'S on you...
You're confusing Russian and Ukrainian casualty numbers.
Russia is killing them, not Europe or America
"How many does Europe need more" Uncle Sam said To the last Ukrainian.
@@16252 ya Ukraine can't have casualties we know that
@@16252 =))) Surely I am...
Where are all the patriotic volunteers?
Or should I not ask?
R.I.P
Many Ukrainian speakers are still saying that there are queues of volunteers near draft offices))
At the front lines.
@@downstream0114
Dead
You will win what 🤔😆😆, keep deceiving yourselves.
Right definition is Canon Fodder Bill..😢😢😢
The bill sounds strictly "less bad" than US "stop loss" measures implemented for similar reasons during the occupation of Iraq, in regards to potential impacts on enlisted morale. US veterans are still (justifiably) angry or suffering professional harm now over things done to them back then.
Now imagine if those veterans hadn't faced a sporadic insurgency by the leftovers of otherwise powerless enemy but an enemy which is five times bigger, many times superior both in quantity and quality and who possess limitless military production capabilities?
User. Tours were arbitrarily extended for years.
National guardsmen were treated like regulars and sent overseas.
Contracts were ignored.
The soldiers were poorly treated.
It's hard to fight for foreigners interest against your own country.
usa says ukraine is the strongest military in ukraine, don't worry they gonna win 🤫😂😂
avdiivka is now 20% under russian contril. good luck
End this war pls 🙏
Ukraine must find another way to end this war,if the are nolonger people willing to go and fight they will defenetly loose this war.negoiate and save those man currently fighting
It's not up to Ukraine. Ukraine does what it's owners tell them to do.
probbly you will help Ukraine???
So the army is too small ,Zelensky need to come to the table while there is still living men ,the Germans in ww2 had more sense
This is hard to watch. Ukraine is finished. Thanks, NATO.
Using Ukrainian as avatars it's so sad
Poor men sacrificing there precious life for comedian
American democracy ciming to ukraine.
They know conscription is a one way trip, nobody returns from the from alive or missing multiple limbs.
Forcing someone to fight will never work
so what about Russia?
@@andresadamson1192 Most fighting for Russia are professional soldiers, voulunteers and juveniles, that are for cannon fodder.
@@andresadamson1192 let me tell you a subject called MATH. Russian Population 146M, Ukrainian Population 30M; Those Ukrainian numbers aint saving them.
@@andresadamson1192most are volunteers and the mobilized were reservist
@@haeveen8255
Finnish population 4M.
Soviet population 110M.
Country saved.
Hope maxim keep safe
What an horror. And WE should support this? NO WAY. Criminal.
These guys in the army feel so calm and casual I'm surprised they are not BBQ-ing
They probably do bbq man my buddy from the frontlines told me when hes on the frontlines working the trenches.
@@ThePhantom712 Long-pork.
A lot of BS included in this one...
New law just dropped Trevor. But you are in Canada, right?
@@K17ASUor Poland, like every good Ukrainian patriot.
😂😂😂 West is he bent on getting these Ukro killed . Another counteroffensive ???
More miltary stability so even normal people can safely fly without fear of being rocketted would be nice.
The comedian can stop the disaster he put Ukraine in with a single word:
NEUTRALITY!
Putin can stop this if he order his troops to go home in Russia.
So are we......we are taxed to pay professional soldiers (NATO) and yet politicians talk of mandatory recruitment. Why?
Or is NATO perfectly armed soldiers trained just in case against revolting EU citizens???? And US???
Nailed it. Bravo.
I love the recruiters!!!!!!!
Ukraine is winning 😂😂😂
They are actually not
"If someone doesn't know what he wants he must know that compulsory mobilization is unavoidable" - ahaha, what a triumph of democracy and freedom
I see!!!!!!
Their alleged abuses? Alleged? When there is videographic evidence of said abuses?
The UK is so lucky to have the English Channel. It's like our Russian Winter
Where is Boris Johnson?
😂👍
"Recruit" 😂😂😂
If things are going so good why do they need more men they said they have 600 thousands fighting right now.
Had*
Send the feminist and karens
and you too
@@blee04524and you too for being a simp
I would hide out too moving from places to places ...living off from family members that can help you to draw money ..going out to the front lines is insane...ow they are drafting women into the war...this is a tragedy
Theres always going to be people against mobilization. It happened in the USA, Russia, everywhere..
I wouldnt either, you only live once. Nations and states is a bunch of nonesense for politicians to herd sheeps to their doom.
Ukraine is finished 😭😭😭😭😭
Gosh! This war never ends?
It wont if we keep sending weapons instead of telling them they ought to work something out with Russia at the table instead. Give up land, not lives.
Kiev is mauling Ukraine's own people by sending them down the running tape as cannon fodder. It's been clear for a long time that the regime are acting on a more or less explicit deal with Washington and Brussels - "we'll let you use Ukraine as a battering ram against Russia and you'll supply us with weapons and assist our wish to join the EU and NATO" - unfortunately that deal seems to be breaking down, but don't tell Elensky...
They still have couple people alive
@@garettdoornwaard4822 So why did Russia have to invade in the first place?
Holokyttaja. Because Ukraine repeatedly broke the Minsk agreements.
Ukraine decision was i favour of USA but against their own country. Hope for peace.
2:56 that seems like a threat
Let's see man... if they drag you onto the battlefield at some point you will have a weapon in your hands... it is at that moment that you rebel against the officers, or you take charge of them directly.
Fully agree. CIA also has a manual on covert sabatoge if you don't want to be too blatant about a rebellion
Go 🇷🇺💪
… and Vitali Klitschkos son is 24 years old and living a luxury life in Germany. I wonder if he will be also recruited … or just “ordinary citizens “ ? … unfortunately again double standards !!!
Wasn't ukraine winning 🤡
The end of Zelensky is near, the best actor of our times.
send the youtube bloggers who love to talk about the war but not fight in it.
Question for everyone, where are all the feminists demanding equal treatment and joining the army?
What happen to the 300k solders recruited last year during the offensive yall let the whole world know about?
should be no choice - conscription for all.
the soldiers logic is as delusional and brainkd as it gets. life is the most precious thing, don't throw it away for politicians sake
You're throwing away other peoples lives if you don't defend.
@@downstream0114you clearly don't know a damn thing about this conflict
Ukraine is doom😂😂ed
We are funding their swim lessons while people are starving in Gaza!
The more they fight the more territory they lose 🤷♂️
very sad.
I wouldn't like to fight with that guy. Can you imagine having him in trench as he covering you? They have NATO training. It's better to go earlier and learn longer. It's his choice.
Well, who would've thought that people nowadays don't want to die for ideals no matter how important they might seem. You only got one life, right? Mass media and social media coverage of the conflict doesn't help either, people can see exactly what lies ahead if you end up in the trenches
6 months training,
Everyone you just witnessed is gone and buried now.